It's not Sherwood!

[john e]

Blimey, two posts in two days by me 

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I wasn't calling for Tim's P45 btw ~ ~ I was trying to structure a debate beyond the blind obsession we have when things go well, that puts blinkers on us.

When Paul arrived, everything was brilliant, everyone loved him. We didn't do much initially, but He Wasn't AM, so although close season, the "New Manager Bounce" was not pronounced.

But he wasn't AM, and we were 100% behind him.

Tim did get the "new-manager-bounce".

It does work, but the "new manager" plateaus out imo.
Pardew and Pulis for example. Ramsay as the opposite at QPR.

Advocaat at Sunderland. All mid-season changes.

A new broom in the main gets an extra percentage from his players, but it never lasts.

Players go back into their comfort zone, once they have a reckoning of the new man, imo.

Tim reached his plateau 6 games ago. Since then we have slipped and slided backwards.
He hasn't the wherewithal to recognise that, change it or even realise the weakness of other teams.

PRIOR to the Final, he gave a "heads-up" to his bomb list.{Pressie before Final}
Tim being considerate and emphatic with his players. Even told the media how "considerate" a boss he was.

Mis-management and naivety Big Time.

So, I don't think any new owner will keep Tim on.
And there are lots of top class managers that a new owner could choose from, that we deserve !
New owner, new money.

Tim's time with us is realistically shorter rather than longer ~ imo.
He doesn't adapt on-the-hoof, he doesn't sub with creativity, he doesn't think before he speaks.
Christian to Real in a year if he was managed by Tim ...what nonsense.

I don't know what level or what league, Tim would be ideal at...but I do know and believe that we are not his true home.

And I say this before TF allows too much money to be spent by a manager who believes in himself 101% ~~~ but in his players ...50% ?

there was a bloke on the train on the way back from Wembley wanting to get rid of Sherwood, when he'd finished his ranting he was asked who he thought could replace him,
 his answer was 'he didn't make those decisions, it was someones elses job at the club to pick wisely'
in other words he didn't have a fucking clue

you say theres lots of top class managers to choose from, well who are they then, and would they would come to Aston Villa who just finished 4th from bottom.

we would be playing our football in the Championship league next year if it wasn't for Sherwood
and your on here moaning about him
 

[Chris Smith]

The "not my job" argument is such a weak cop out as it is similarly not our job to sack a manager, pick a side or decide who the club should buy but it doesn't stop us having those opinions.

Sherwood did the job asked of him and also gave us a few memorable games along the way so is firmly in credit as far as I am concerned.

[Monty]

I think it goes without saying that I was among the least convinced on here when Sherwood was first appointed, but saving us like he did and throwing in a Cup final was quite the start to his Villa career. He's not a perfect manager - if he was, he wouldn't be with us aged 47 - but he's more than earned the chance to show what he can do over the longer term.

Like I said on here the other day, at worst he may become a sort of managerial Darren Bent - inadequate long-term, but indispensable short-term at a time when we desperately needed him. Like Bent, whatever happens next, Sherwood has saved this club for now.

[Brend'Watkins]

He's well in credit for what he has achieved in such a short time.  We'll soon find out if he has true long term managerial credentials in the coming months. 

[Ads]

He came in, got us scoring, won the games he needed to and dug us out of a massive hole.

At times he got things drastically wrong, at others, he got them impressively right. He was let down by a lot of individual errors too and more than deserves the chance to re-shape this squad and get us higher up the league.

Yes we got battered on Saturday, but that shouldn't alter that he's done a good job so far. Anybody who left the KC thinking we could stay up as things were, is a liar.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think it goes without saying that I was among the least convinced on here when Sherwood was first appointed, but saving us like he did and throwing in a Cup final was quite the start to his Villa career. He's not a perfect manager - if he was, he wouldn't be with us aged 47 - but he's more than earned the chance to show what he can do over the longer term.

Like I said on here the other day, at worst he may become a sort of managerial Darren Bent - inadequate long-term, but indispensable short-term at a time when we desperately needed him. Like Bent, whatever happens next, Sherwood has saved this club for now.

I was the same. I thought we'd made a huge mistake appointing him, and to be honest, I'm still not hugely convinced.

However, I don't see what justification there could possibly be for sacking him now. It's laughably wide of the mark.

What we need to do is back him. We've spent the last five years telling ourselves how rubbish we are, so we should all know there's a big job to be done. He needs support from the fans, and most of all, from the owner.

[Le Lapin]

Yep, he's been firefighting since he came in. Trying to breath life into a demotivated crowd of players who had been confused tactically by the previous genius and his temporary sidekick. Give him the summer to get his head straightened and try deal with the potentiallying mediocre squad he has to deal with. But he needs to add some quality for us to dream of midtable mediocrity.  We've had nearly ten years of dourness at the club, this guy seems to have a bit of spark to him. If it's all gone Pete Tong by Xmas,  then we need to wheel in the next guy.

[Ron Manager]

I think after Saturday Tim realises exactly what he has taken on. He didn't look confident before the match and looked totally shell shocked after it. This job will be the making of him as a manager if he can cope with all that goes on at Aston Villa FC.

He may have peaked with that wonderful performance in the Cup Semi Final  but lets hope that next season with different (albeit cheap) personnel he can reach those kind of levels again.

[KRS]

I'm still trying to work out how he got a bunch of useless players to play like Brazil and then return to being as useless as they were before he came in. Part of me thinks that the magic has worn off, but to get them playing like they did surely means that they are capable of being a good team...or at least half decent. I'm pretty sure that I didn't imagine it so I'm really struggling to work this one out.

[amfy]

Those good performances were very high tempo, and that pace went out of their game about half way through West Ham.

I think it is simply a matter of not being able to significantly improve a team's fitness in March/April. Good levels of fitness are buillt in pre-season, and sustained through the season, and just about get you through March and April.

It was noticeable straight away from the OS pictures that they were being asked it work harder in training after Sherwood arrived. The photos during Lsmberts tenure were always of them all laughing. Give him a full pre-season and lets see if the type of football we started to love him for can be maintained.

[KRS]

I noticed that Grealish looking particularly knackered in the second half against West Ham and then again at Southampton...so we are to assume that they were basically knackered and couldn't sustain the level of fitness required to perform the way they had been?

[Matt Collins]

Ungrateful

We were down when he arrived. Our form was the worst in the league. We were the worst scorers. During his time our defence has been decimated by injuries to ridiculous levels

Within three months we were the third top scorers in the league. He had the confidence to start grealish who shone. We were interesting to watch for the first time in years. We didn't just play long to benteke. We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

[supertom]

I noticed that Grealish looking particularly knackered in the second half against West Ham and then again at Southampton...so we are to assume that they were basically knackered and couldn't sustain the level of fitness required to perform the way they had been?

I think so. He did inherit a squad that was falling apart. Players were either tired or injured.

[Godfrey Brian]

He's learning some tough lessons but has delivered more than I thought he could with someone else's squad bought to fit a different system. He's also been forming a new backroom team and we'll see the effect of that through the close season and into the new year. We've lurched from glory to despair in his 3 months but we'd only had the latter for a long time before.

[john e]

Ungrateful

We were down when he arrived. Our form was the worst in the league. We were the worst scorers. During his time our defence has been decimated by injuries to ridiculous levels

Within three months we were the third top scorers in the league. He had the confidence to start grealish who shone. We were interesting to watch for the first time in years. We didn't just play long to benteke. We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

Very well put