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Online KRS

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1965 on: March 21, 2015, 11:43:17 AM »
Presumably with Lerners hands off approach now, TS will report directly to Fox and any issues/requests from TS will be dealt with between Fox and Lerner. The relationship between TS and Fox is pretty well established so there should be mutual respect there already, and I would expect the relationship between TS and Lerner to be also courteous and respectful as I doubt there would be much communication between them on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. If a DoF comes in then that person would be expected to develop a good relationship with both TS and Fox, and I suspect that would already be part of the person specification when recruiting for that role.

If the club is sold then its anyones guess what personnel changes will take place, but for the now, they appear to be building and placing good staff in the right positions.

I agree with that KRS.  The team is reasonably well insulated from Randy's nuttiness at the moment and Fox (?) seems to be identifying positions/roles within the club which we have previously lacked, and should allow us to grow.  Apart from additional cash, a new owner might actually be a bad thing at the moment, which seems crazy compared to where we were 6-months ago.

With regards to your first point, do we know whether Fox/Sherwood knew each other prior to Villa?  Were they mates back in London? 
It's been widely reported/rumoured that Fox and TS met several times at Villa Park in the months prior to his appointment, and Fox also spent considerable time meeting TS at his home during the "interview process". I can only presume (and probably more likely than not) that they had some kind of professional friendship whilst they were both London based.
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« Reply #1966 on: March 21, 2015, 12:11:14 PM »
it seems that as much as we dislike the media image of Sherwood we also are feeding off it as fans. In his time here what has he thus far done to show that he is any more brash and egotistical than the next manager?

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1967 on: March 21, 2015, 12:45:49 PM »
it seems that as much as we dislike the media image of Sherwood we also are feeding off it as fans. In his time here what has he thus far done to show that he is any more brash and egotistical than the next manager?

Speak for yourself - I enjoy his image.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1968 on: March 21, 2015, 12:49:55 PM »
I'm certainly enjoying his image in contrast to the ball-less last two managers we have had.

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« Reply #1969 on: March 21, 2015, 12:51:12 PM »
I don't really enjoy his image, but I've enjoyed 60% of his results so far, and that obviously counts for more.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1970 on: March 21, 2015, 01:50:51 PM »
I thought he was an absolute dick whilst at Spurs, however since he's been here I don't think he's done,or said, anything that controversial.

Without doubt he's a bit of a media whore but he's also demonstrated through the staff that he has appointed that there might be more depth to his management that sheer bravado and chest pumping (which is what I feared he was/is).  Hopefully Sherwood is introspective enough (is that the right word?) to look at his actions and adjust them to suit the situation.  At the moment his cheer leading for both himself and the club is what is needed, but that might not be the case in the future.
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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1971 on: March 21, 2015, 02:00:28 PM »
I think it's a combination. He certainly doesn't shy away from the spotlight/questions, and he can be at times too open. That said, in a league of mostly boring players and managers, the media will naturally gravitate to those who will say something, anything remotely unscripted or interesting. We've gone from a manager who you knew after each game exactly what he'd say, come rain or shine to one where it's quite a bit different, and who is shining a positive light on the club for the first time in a good while.

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« Reply #1972 on: March 21, 2015, 02:01:19 PM »
I don't particularly mind him playing up to the media. Since he's been at the club people have suddenly remembered we exist. We've been a distant afterthought for too long under the last two managers who were seemingly resigned to us being being relegation strugglers and staying quiet and under the radar. Last on MOTD almost every fucking week.

Not everyone will like Timmy's approach, even some Villa fans won't, but at least we're not that person who skulks unnoticed into a party, hides in a corner, doesn't want to cause a fuss when the beers up top run out and the host has to go to the basement to get more. They'd rather just not get their share and sit submissively and take it. The person who might as well go to the shitter party down the road, that's less lavish, and feel a little more at home.

Timmy comes in, makes a bit of noise. Some think he's alright. Some think "Oh it's that brash "c**t" in the polo neck jumper." At least you know he's there, and occasionally he'll barge someone out the way and get his beer, rather than meekly waiting at the back until they're all gone.
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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1973 on: March 21, 2015, 02:02:24 PM »
it seems that as much as we dislike the media image of Sherwood we also are feeding off it as fans. In his time here what has he thus far done to show that he is any more brash and egotistical than the next manager?

Speak for yourself - I enjoy his image.

Yes, me too, breath of fresh air as far as I am concerned

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1974 on: March 21, 2015, 08:07:06 PM »
it seems that as much as we dislike the media image of Sherwood we also are feeding off it as fans. In his time here what has he thus far done to show that he is any more brash and egotistical than the next manager?

Speak for yourself - I enjoy his image.

Yes, me too, breath of fresh air as far as I am concerned

Yep, me too. Right from when he first spoke to a reporter after the Leicester game.

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« Reply #1975 on: March 21, 2015, 08:12:42 PM »
it seems that as much as we dislike the media image of Sherwood we also are feeding off it as fans. In his time here what has he thus far done to show that he is any more brash and egotistical than the next manager?

Speak for yourself - I enjoy his image.

As do i. But some on here are frequently calling him self-obsessed and egotistical which is something that I really haven't observed from him whilst he's been at Villa. Not being a Tottenham fan I honestly don't know what he was like there.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1976 on: March 21, 2015, 09:17:13 PM »
it seems that as much as we dislike the media image of Sherwood we also are feeding off it as fans. In his time here what has he thus far done to show that he is any more brash and egotistical than the next manager?

Speak for yourself - I enjoy his image.

As do i. But some on here are frequently calling him self-obsessed and egotistical which is something that I really haven't observed from him whilst he's been at Villa. Not being a Tottenham fan I honestly don't know what he was like there.

I don't mind him being self-obsessed or egotistical either. I'd say there are roughly 100 times more good managers who are megalomaniacal bastards than there are good managers who are lovely people.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1977 on: March 21, 2015, 10:21:07 PM »
Back to the important stuff, in defeat I like what he said. That twice now we have failed to see out games. If we are not looking like winning, at least keep the point. Right now we should have another 2 on the board, but we have lacked the discipline to see out the game today and Stoke. It's not good enough and that has to change. 

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« Reply #1978 on: March 21, 2015, 10:26:43 PM »
I don't blame him for the Stoke one as that was a catastrophic individual error from Vlaar, not sure how that one is a manager's fault.

I didn't like the subs today but you'd assume with 15 to go the Westwood on for N'zogbia move was done purely to help us get control of the game and make sure we didn't lose.

Swansea didn't actually threaten that much second half, a Sigurdsson free kick tipped over and a couple of crosses, they seemed content with the point as they were more attacking first half.

We were pushing men forward and going for the win and got caught with the high defence as we were a few times in the first half, this time we were punished.

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« Reply #1979 on: March 22, 2015, 10:11:54 AM »
He didn't do much to help us win the Stoke match with the way he set us up - they were all over us in midfield - but the actual moment of defeat wasn't his fault at all, with Vlaar losing his mind. Against Newcastle we played a little better against a team set up in the same (slightly brainless) way, but that was a first-goal game and unfortunately we didn't get it.

Switching the formation around for the two Baggies games worked very nicely indeed, however, and the very aggressive 4-2-3-1 (sort of 4-2-4) was way too much for Sunderland. It was the way we were playing and playing well, and Zog was chasing down in midfield meaning we were never outnumbered. Yesterday, however, he did much less chasing and left Delph and Cleverley outnumbered, giving Ki & Co. time to play Gomis in behind. If you have a high line and really squeeze up, it doesn't matter how much space there is behind because the opposition never have time. Tim, to his credit, realised it wasn't going to get better and brought Zog off for Westwood - a good move in theory - but we got done on the counterattack late on.

How many games did MON win despite giving them no tactical thought beyond 'get it wide, get it into the box, big man, bang'? Sometimes you can get it right tactically and lose as well. Not much problem with Sherwood yesterday, apart from bringing on Weimann (I'd have rather seen Gil).

 


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