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Author Topic: It's not Sherwood!  (Read 729323 times)

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1650 on: March 13, 2015, 09:12:53 AM »
He seems to be doing an OK job so far, and he seems likeable in many ways, but let's be totally honest, he probably says a lot more than he should at times.

Agreed, and whilst it is all new and fun he can probably get away with it - when he struggles results wise it will then become tedious and annoying.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1651 on: March 13, 2015, 09:16:04 AM »
He does say too much, and he always rises to a reporter's bait when it comes to Spurs. I'm also far from certain he's the right man long-term for many reasons. That said, he's got two jobs this season - keep us up, and win the Cup. So far, so good.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1652 on: March 13, 2015, 09:26:22 AM »
He does say too much, and he always rises to a reporter's bait when it comes to Spurs. I'm also far from certain he's the right man long-term for many reasons. That said, he's got two jobs this season - keep us up, and win the Cup. So far, so good.

Sherwood is following the path trodden by Tommy Docherty so far. At the moment things are going well and the players are responding . He is good with the media,as both The Doc and MON were,and we must hope he carries on in a positive frame of mind until we are safe.

If he does save us will Lerner back him with the finance needed? I have my doubts.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1653 on: March 13, 2015, 11:27:36 AM »
He is open with the media when he is doing well and when he is disappointed. He doesn't hide anything which has its pros and cons. I don't think he's said anything embarrassing. And I certainly have no issue calling that lot down the road a "nice little club". I almost want the noses to come up now so he can find a description for them. Now that would be funny.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1654 on: March 13, 2015, 12:05:26 PM »
He does say too much, and he always rises to a reporter's bait when it comes to Spurs. I'm also far from certain he's the right man long-term for many reasons. That said, he's got two jobs this season - keep us up, and win the Cup. So far, so good.

His role might be to lay the ground work over the next few years for someone else to benefit from, which could be good for all parties. One thing's for sure, if we had stuck with Lambert we would be much worse off.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1655 on: March 13, 2015, 12:15:49 PM »
If he does the business, he'll be here long term. And he'll deserve to be. We've had experienced managers the past few seasons. What did McLeish bring, or Houllier or Lambert do or bring that is so much better than Sherwood? Houiller might have been good long term, but we'll never know. A style was emerging, he bought some interesting players and linked with some very good ones. But he said some really daft things and almost caused a lot of friction at the club. McLeish brought us all to our knees with the football he played and was recruited from a club that was relegated under his watch. And Lambert seemed to be going on the right path and ended with us knocking the doors of hell. And MON, he spent so much, so very carelessly that he left us in financial purgatory for the next few years and has pretty much forced the owner to sell the club.

Sherwood deserves his chance just like all of those managers that preceded him, and to this point he's not done a lot wrong. In fact you could make a strong case for him doing more right in a few weeks than Lambert had done in the previous 6-7 months. He needs to be judged on his results and so far they have been decent, and the last week has been very good indeed.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1656 on: March 13, 2015, 12:20:58 PM »
He seems to be doing an OK job so far, and he seems likeable in many ways, but let's be totally honest, he probably says a lot more than he should at times.

Agreed, and whilst it is all new and fun he can probably get away with it - when he struggles results wise it will then become tedious and annoying.

I've said all along that when we win he'll be funny and refreshing, when we lose he'll be embarrassing and cirngeworthy. One thing I have observed looking at other clubs' forums is that he really seems to rub people up the wrong way, and not just our nearest and dearest. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I don't know.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1657 on: March 13, 2015, 12:33:57 PM »
TV this is something I asked when we appointed him, but what do we reckon "doing well" for Sherwood is over the next 2 seasons? If we stay up for me it is consolidating us as mid table and not in any relegation trouble next season (being on around 33-36 points by this stage and finishing around the 45-50 point mark) and then kicking on and getting us into the top 10 the season after, provided he is given the same funding level as Lambert was.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1658 on: March 13, 2015, 12:45:02 PM »
TV this is something I asked when we appointed him, but what do we reckon "doing well" for Sherwood is over the next 2 seasons? If we stay up for me it is consolidating us as mid table and not in any relegation trouble next season (being on around 33-36 points by this stage and finishing around the 45-50 point mark) and then kicking on and getting us into the top 10 the season after, provided he is given the same funding level as Lambert was.

yep agreed, short term doing well would be never to be in a relegation battle again. That is next season we are a secure mid table side. Even last season under Lambert the gap between 7th and a Europa place and the also rans lower down wasn't massive. The very first step for us is for Sherwood to get these players to perform consistently to a level that we have seen the past week. Looking at our squad there is no reason at all we are where we are. Lambert bought well, but his entire mood and philosophy sucked any confidence out of the players and stifled all creativity. Sherwood, even if he just gives that back to the current squad will have won a big piece of the mental battle. He has put in place a coaching staff that will hopefully assist him in developing the players and creating tactics and strategies to win games in different ways. He also has a crop of kids at the club that deserve an opportunity to shine. There's still a ton of work to be done, but as he even said himself; he never wants to be in the bottom part of the league ever again.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1659 on: March 13, 2015, 01:20:31 PM »
I can't say exactly why, but I'd be really surprised if Sherwood is still here in three years. I mean, very few managers do stay that long these days, but particularly not Sherwood for some reason. The uncertainty around the ownership of the club is one reason (who's to say what a new owner would want?), but also you just feel like it'll all blow up at any moment with our Tim. I just hope it's fun until that happens, and that when it happens it doesn't blow us into too much trouble.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1660 on: March 13, 2015, 01:37:08 PM »
A new owner at any point changes the rules of the game. It could be all change.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1661 on: March 13, 2015, 02:11:10 PM »
I am far from convinced that we will avoid relegation. My personal stance is that I would prefer to go down with Sherwood than with Lambert. The labours of Hercules lie ahead and the Villa stables have to be cleaned a shovelful at a time.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1662 on: March 13, 2015, 02:18:45 PM »
I am far from convinced that we will avoid relegation. My personal stance is that I would prefer to go down with Sherwood than with Lambert. The labours of Hercules lie ahead and the Villa stables have to be cleaned a shovelful at a time.

I think tomorrow really will give us a very good indication.

In Houllier/McAllister season we finished comparatively strongly after a turgid 1-0 loss to Wolves left us in the bottom 3 towards the end of March. West Ham away turned it for us I think. Same in  Lambert's first season with the Stoke game being pivotal.

Whereas last season and in McDoom's season we stuttered over the line after appearing to be safe with 10 games to go.

Win tomorrow and we probably only need 2 more from the last 9 games such is the utter rubbish in the league.


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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1663 on: March 13, 2015, 05:57:43 PM »
If he does the business, he'll be here long term. And he'll deserve to be. We've had experienced managers the past few seasons. What did McLeish bring, or Houllier or Lambert do or bring that is so much better than Sherwood?

There's not much point looking at it that way.

But if you ask that question, Houllier brought significantly more experience, as did the other two, and in any case, Sherwood has only been in the job for four games. It is way too early to make any sort of a judgement on him, positive or negative.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #1664 on: March 13, 2015, 06:06:03 PM »
Until we're safe it's got to be one game at a time. As Brian says, the season is still very much suggesting the drop.
A win tomorrow will probably give us the momentum to carry on and avoid the drop.

Sherwood as a long-term manager? - why not, if he can survive this season and then drive us forward. A lot will depend on who comes in as DoF, which I think is still on the table, isn't it?

 


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