Quote from: Californian Villain on February 14, 2015, 05:11:10 PMQuote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 14, 2015, 05:05:59 PMPros and cons from a Spurs messageboard:QuotePros:Good tactician - a couple of shockers where he didn't use a DM, but generally was very good tactically. Versatile in his approach (beat Pochettino twice, using two very different game plans to get the result). A few other examples here - http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwoodgone-o.5527/page-208#post-512241Good judge of a player - Brought Bentaleb and Kane into the first team squad from the youth team when it was clear he didn't rate Capoue and Soldado from early on. A lot of people really didn't agree with that at the time (remember the whole Bentaleb is Sherwood's lovechild thing?)Cons:Man management - Was clear that a lot of his players didn't like him. The team often appeared nervous and regularly capitulated in big games, very few players looked like they were enjoying their football on the pitch. Though he is one of the few managers who has successfully man managed AdebayorPoor coach - So many sloppy mistakes from the team on the pitch, both in attack and defence. A lot of our players badly regressed under him.Media handling - Oh god, some of those interviews. Some of those comments. Was an utter laughing stock in the media.If he's taken a step back, taken a long hard look at himself and learned when to keep his mouth shut (both to the media and to his players), he'll probably keep Villa up. Whether he'll ever really progress them though will require him getting some good backroom staff to help with the coaching though.http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-18#post-669982I think that's a fair summary, although it doesn't highlight the success he had with the Spurs academy (only mentions bring best young players into the first team). I'm happy with his appointment. A lot happier than I was with the appointment of anyone since MON.You're happy even though his negative points are poor tactics and questionable man management - probably the two most important charges of a football managers remit?
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 14, 2015, 05:05:59 PMPros and cons from a Spurs messageboard:QuotePros:Good tactician - a couple of shockers where he didn't use a DM, but generally was very good tactically. Versatile in his approach (beat Pochettino twice, using two very different game plans to get the result). A few other examples here - http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwoodgone-o.5527/page-208#post-512241Good judge of a player - Brought Bentaleb and Kane into the first team squad from the youth team when it was clear he didn't rate Capoue and Soldado from early on. A lot of people really didn't agree with that at the time (remember the whole Bentaleb is Sherwood's lovechild thing?)Cons:Man management - Was clear that a lot of his players didn't like him. The team often appeared nervous and regularly capitulated in big games, very few players looked like they were enjoying their football on the pitch. Though he is one of the few managers who has successfully man managed AdebayorPoor coach - So many sloppy mistakes from the team on the pitch, both in attack and defence. A lot of our players badly regressed under him.Media handling - Oh god, some of those interviews. Some of those comments. Was an utter laughing stock in the media.If he's taken a step back, taken a long hard look at himself and learned when to keep his mouth shut (both to the media and to his players), he'll probably keep Villa up. Whether he'll ever really progress them though will require him getting some good backroom staff to help with the coaching though.http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-18#post-669982I think that's a fair summary, although it doesn't highlight the success he had with the Spurs academy (only mentions bring best young players into the first team). I'm happy with his appointment. A lot happier than I was with the appointment of anyone since MON.
Pros and cons from a Spurs messageboard:QuotePros:Good tactician - a couple of shockers where he didn't use a DM, but generally was very good tactically. Versatile in his approach (beat Pochettino twice, using two very different game plans to get the result). A few other examples here - http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwoodgone-o.5527/page-208#post-512241Good judge of a player - Brought Bentaleb and Kane into the first team squad from the youth team when it was clear he didn't rate Capoue and Soldado from early on. A lot of people really didn't agree with that at the time (remember the whole Bentaleb is Sherwood's lovechild thing?)Cons:Man management - Was clear that a lot of his players didn't like him. The team often appeared nervous and regularly capitulated in big games, very few players looked like they were enjoying their football on the pitch. Though he is one of the few managers who has successfully man managed AdebayorPoor coach - So many sloppy mistakes from the team on the pitch, both in attack and defence. A lot of our players badly regressed under him.Media handling - Oh god, some of those interviews. Some of those comments. Was an utter laughing stock in the media.If he's taken a step back, taken a long hard look at himself and learned when to keep his mouth shut (both to the media and to his players), he'll probably keep Villa up. Whether he'll ever really progress them though will require him getting some good backroom staff to help with the coaching though.http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwood.6708/page-18#post-669982
Pros:Good tactician - a couple of shockers where he didn't use a DM, but generally was very good tactically. Versatile in his approach (beat Pochettino twice, using two very different game plans to get the result). A few other examples here - http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/tim-sherwoodgone-o.5527/page-208#post-512241Good judge of a player - Brought Bentaleb and Kane into the first team squad from the youth team when it was clear he didn't rate Capoue and Soldado from early on. A lot of people really didn't agree with that at the time (remember the whole Bentaleb is Sherwood's lovechild thing?)Cons:Man management - Was clear that a lot of his players didn't like him. The team often appeared nervous and regularly capitulated in big games, very few players looked like they were enjoying their football on the pitch. Though he is one of the few managers who has successfully man managed AdebayorPoor coach - So many sloppy mistakes from the team on the pitch, both in attack and defence. A lot of our players badly regressed under him.Media handling - Oh god, some of those interviews. Some of those comments. Was an utter laughing stock in the media.If he's taken a step back, taken a long hard look at himself and learned when to keep his mouth shut (both to the media and to his players), he'll probably keep Villa up. Whether he'll ever really progress them though will require him getting some good backroom staff to help with the coaching though.
Quote from: Monty on February 14, 2015, 05:08:23 PMQuote from: mattjpa on February 14, 2015, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Monty on February 14, 2015, 04:51:56 PMQuote from: mattjpa on February 14, 2015, 04:50:43 PMAgain, absolute conjecture. I would bet my house on the fact that a multi million pound company has looked at and considered more than one person for the most important position within its management structure. You however, have made up your mind and seem to believe you have inside knowledge as to how Tottenham Hotspur conduct training and Aston Villa conduct recruitment procedures. I imagine you don't but am happy to be proven wrong. Go for it.It's been widely reported that they only interviewed Sherwood.You said they didn't even look. My point is that you have no idea how many people they have looked at, how many meetings they have had, how many candidates were considered. How do you know they didn't draw up a short list of 15 potential candidates, dedicate a head hunting team to collate information and professional opinions on all of them, have a set of in depth selection discussion meetings, whittle it down to a first choice and a second choice. Then Meet their first choice man, hear all the right things and hire him to give him maximum time to sort us outWhat is your problem? I said they didn't interview anyone else, as has been reported. For what you're saying to have any validity, it would have to be the case that Tim Sherwood was the best manager to not turn down an interview. If that really is the case, then we're screwed, but somehow I doubt it.I think that it's worth arguing the point with someone that has made up his mind based on what I can see is hearsay and conjecture. your opinion and posts are extremely negative, I think I am probably in the minority of people on here who are trying to get some positive momentum amongst fans, you quite clearly are in the opposite camp (it's not personal!) if he had a record from his previous club like Lambert has left us with I literally wouldn't have an argument. I honestly think that if the fans don't get behind this guy 100% in all of our remaining matches we are down -in 13 games and no transfer window he can't change very much apart from confidence and belief the players have in themselves
Quote from: mattjpa on February 14, 2015, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Monty on February 14, 2015, 04:51:56 PMQuote from: mattjpa on February 14, 2015, 04:50:43 PMAgain, absolute conjecture. I would bet my house on the fact that a multi million pound company has looked at and considered more than one person for the most important position within its management structure. You however, have made up your mind and seem to believe you have inside knowledge as to how Tottenham Hotspur conduct training and Aston Villa conduct recruitment procedures. I imagine you don't but am happy to be proven wrong. Go for it.It's been widely reported that they only interviewed Sherwood.You said they didn't even look. My point is that you have no idea how many people they have looked at, how many meetings they have had, how many candidates were considered. How do you know they didn't draw up a short list of 15 potential candidates, dedicate a head hunting team to collate information and professional opinions on all of them, have a set of in depth selection discussion meetings, whittle it down to a first choice and a second choice. Then Meet their first choice man, hear all the right things and hire him to give him maximum time to sort us outWhat is your problem? I said they didn't interview anyone else, as has been reported. For what you're saying to have any validity, it would have to be the case that Tim Sherwood was the best manager to not turn down an interview. If that really is the case, then we're screwed, but somehow I doubt it.
Quote from: Monty on February 14, 2015, 04:51:56 PMQuote from: mattjpa on February 14, 2015, 04:50:43 PMAgain, absolute conjecture. I would bet my house on the fact that a multi million pound company has looked at and considered more than one person for the most important position within its management structure. You however, have made up your mind and seem to believe you have inside knowledge as to how Tottenham Hotspur conduct training and Aston Villa conduct recruitment procedures. I imagine you don't but am happy to be proven wrong. Go for it.It's been widely reported that they only interviewed Sherwood.You said they didn't even look. My point is that you have no idea how many people they have looked at, how many meetings they have had, how many candidates were considered. How do you know they didn't draw up a short list of 15 potential candidates, dedicate a head hunting team to collate information and professional opinions on all of them, have a set of in depth selection discussion meetings, whittle it down to a first choice and a second choice. Then Meet their first choice man, hear all the right things and hire him to give him maximum time to sort us out
Quote from: mattjpa on February 14, 2015, 04:50:43 PMAgain, absolute conjecture. I would bet my house on the fact that a multi million pound company has looked at and considered more than one person for the most important position within its management structure. You however, have made up your mind and seem to believe you have inside knowledge as to how Tottenham Hotspur conduct training and Aston Villa conduct recruitment procedures. I imagine you don't but am happy to be proven wrong. Go for it.It's been widely reported that they only interviewed Sherwood.
Again, absolute conjecture. I would bet my house on the fact that a multi million pound company has looked at and considered more than one person for the most important position within its management structure. You however, have made up your mind and seem to believe you have inside knowledge as to how Tottenham Hotspur conduct training and Aston Villa conduct recruitment procedures. I imagine you don't but am happy to be proven wrong. Go for it.
Quote from: TonyD on February 14, 2015, 05:45:23 PMUnderwhelmed but not livid. Many on here saying they "hate" him. What has he done to get so many people's backs up???Who hates him?Quite a few very negative comments on here like hate prick etc. Just wondering why.
Underwhelmed but not livid. Many on here saying they "hate" him. What has he done to get so many people's backs up???
One thing I do like , any player who doesn't give it his all and is lazy , he's going to get it off him.And we have a couple of them and ones the captain.
He'll liven the place up and hopefully approach games positively - that might just be all it needs for now. Could be a very different club in the summer.And I don't mind him being a bit of an big 'ed. We need it.
Wouldn't have been my first choice, but looking forward to seeing what he can do. Welcome Tim, and good luck.
Quote from: TonyD on February 14, 2015, 05:45:23 PMUnderwhelmed but not livid. Many on here saying they "hate" him. What has he done to get so many people's backs up???Who hates him?
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2015, 03:43:43 PMQuote from: Ads on February 14, 2015, 03:40:51 PMPeople keep referring to these blogs and how bad tacticly he is... yet he still finished 6th. That's pretty decent going and fairly godly if you're an apparent moron too. Well, it is made easier if you started in sixth, and only managed for 20 odd league games. And did so well you promptly got sacked.Part of that is down to his player relations, part down to the chairman who likes changing managers as often as he changes his socks, and partly due to Pochettino being linked and being available with all the stuff breaking down at Southampton. It wasn't down to results. I thought this from Friedel was interesting:QuoteTottenham goalkeeper Brad Friedel says Sherwood showed enough in his five months in charge to suggest he has the necessary attributes to manage at the top level again."I thought Tim, especially in his first managerial job, conducted himself very well," Friedel, 42, told BBC Radio 5 live."His win percentage speaks for a lot, and I think he did really well - he can walk away from this with his head held high.Play mediaTim Sherwood's final news conference"He is good enough to be a manager in the Premier League, whether at Tottenham or with somebody else."Friedel insists Sherwood retained the support of the dressing-room, despite the manager publicly criticising his team as "lacking guts and character" after the 4-0 Premier League defeat to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on 8 March."Not every manager is going to get along with every player at the club - that is impossible - but he got along with most of the players," Friedel continued. "I assure you there was no turmoil at the club on a day-to-day basis. All the players were fighting until the end."
Quote from: Ads on February 14, 2015, 03:40:51 PMPeople keep referring to these blogs and how bad tacticly he is... yet he still finished 6th. That's pretty decent going and fairly godly if you're an apparent moron too. Well, it is made easier if you started in sixth, and only managed for 20 odd league games. And did so well you promptly got sacked.
People keep referring to these blogs and how bad tacticly he is... yet he still finished 6th. That's pretty decent going and fairly godly if you're an apparent moron too.
Tottenham goalkeeper Brad Friedel says Sherwood showed enough in his five months in charge to suggest he has the necessary attributes to manage at the top level again."I thought Tim, especially in his first managerial job, conducted himself very well," Friedel, 42, told BBC Radio 5 live."His win percentage speaks for a lot, and I think he did really well - he can walk away from this with his head held high.Play mediaTim Sherwood's final news conference"He is good enough to be a manager in the Premier League, whether at Tottenham or with somebody else."Friedel insists Sherwood retained the support of the dressing-room, despite the manager publicly criticising his team as "lacking guts and character" after the 4-0 Premier League defeat to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on 8 March."Not every manager is going to get along with every player at the club - that is impossible - but he got along with most of the players," Friedel continued. "I assure you there was no turmoil at the club on a day-to-day basis. All the players were fighting until the end."
Quote from: Matt C on February 14, 2015, 05:57:47 PMHe'll liven the place up and hopefully approach games positively - that might just be all it needs for now. Could be a very different club in the summer.And I don't mind him being a bit of an big 'ed. We need it. There is something to the last bit. I'm sick and tired of good guys. Maybe we need a bit of a prick for a bit. He certainly wouldn't have described the last few weeks as excellent that's for damn sure.
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