Would it be more fun if we went down?

[supertom]

In some ways a year off playing cockpieces like Arsenal, Spurs, City, Utd, Liverpool etc would be nice. To be out of that Sky circle jerk bollocks that the English top flight has become. It'll be a league on a more level playing field. We could have the theoretical advantage of size on our side and budget.
Of course we could totally implode and double drop and fall into total oblivion like Portsmouth but even as cynical and jaded as this club has made me, I think we'll at the very least, stabilise. I would expect us to be top half minimum, and possibly top six. Ideally we'd be top 2 for automatic promotion. That shouldn't be beyond us.

Fuck the premiership. I can't stand it. If we drop out of it I'll have absolutely zero interest in the top flight. Come may 2017 I'd not be able to tell you who has won the league or been relegated. It's shit. It's full of piss kidneys and cockknobs. All the clubs are shit. Most of the players are twats. The Biggest clubs are full to the brim with plastic pillock fans.
Bugger it. Bring it on.

[Rigadon]

I've just looked at the table for the first time in ages.  Jeez!  It's grim.

[Toronto Villa]

I've just looked at the table for the first time in ages.  Jeez!  It's grim.

Were we bottom the last time you looked?

[Rigadon]

I've just looked at the table for the first time in ages.  Jeez!  It's grim.

Were we bottom the last time you looked?

Yes.  But I've been avoiding looking at points etc. 

[German James]

Fuck the premiership. I can't stand it. If we drop out of it I'll have absolutely zero interest in the top flight.

This. Exactly this.

[Jimbo]

Fuck the premiership. I can't stand it. If we drop out of it I'll have absolutely zero interest in the top flight.

This. Exactly this.

If the Premier League is so shit, would you both prefer it if we stayed in the Championship? I'm not being flippant, by the way, I'd seriously like to know what you think. Personally I have very little interest in any league we're not in. But is it the Premier League that we hate so much, or is it the fact that we're too shit for it?

I don't like what modern football has become, but at what point do we say we've found our level? Would we have even more 'fun' in League 1 or 2, for example, where there'd be terraces, cheap tickets, new grounds and new towns (pubs)? What do we want from supporting Villa?

[Toronto Villa]

I want Villa to be as successful as possible at the level our history suggests we have earned a place to be at. That's the PL.

[supertom]

Fuck the premiership. I can't stand it. If we drop out of it I'll have absolutely zero interest in the top flight.

This. Exactly this.

If the Premier League is so shit, would you both prefer it if we stayed in the Championship? I'm not being flippant, by the way, I'd seriously like to know what you think. Personally I have very little interest in any league we're not in. But is it the Premier League that we hate so much, or is it the fact that we're too shit for it?

I don't like what modern football has become, but at what point do we say we've found our level? Would we have even more 'fun' in League 1 or 2, for example, where there'd be terraces, cheap tickets, new grounds and new towns (pubs)? What do we want from supporting Villa?

I would be hoping that a year out (or more) would give me a chance to miss the Prem, if that's possible. It gives us a chance to hit the reset buttons and rebuild. Maybe we can come up with different expectations. To be honest we've been so utterly dreadful that I think we just need to get it done with and go down.

Now I'm not sure I'd enjoy L1 or 2. At least in the Championship we'd get some reasonably big games still. There's some fairly big teams in the Championship still. We'd also still retain some quality. By the time you get down to League 2 for example, we could be sorely lacking in quality, entirely reliant on a Youth academy that will have had its budget severely cut by that point.

For me though, something does need to change. A change of ownership, a change of league. I think the former will likely only come with the latter, and the latter is virtually nailed on now.

We need the wake up call though. We're a big club but we don't have a divine right to be in the top flight just because we've been ever present since Football began. We need to get a side with a bit of spirit. An ability to win. A side that could come up and do what Leicester have done, or Watford are doing this season. A side that what it might lack in quality, makes up for in gumption and good management, and is still able to entertain.

[old man villa fan]

I am fed up with the club fighting fires in the PL.  I would want a clear out of the players that just go through the motions and look to build with young players around an experienced core.  Forget evolution, bring on the revolution, even if it means two seasons in the Championship.  We must get back on the front foot.

[dave.woodhall]

Jimbo summed it up in a sentence - what do we want. I want to enjoy myself again and I know all the logical arguments and I know the Premier League is the only show in town but an increasingly large part of me right now, on a horrible cold and wet December evening would love to be in the Fat Cat in Sheffield, or the Brunswick in Derby and echoing the immortal words of joe_c, "We're here, the bar's there and there's all those beers we haven't tried yet."

[luke95]

Fuck the premiership. I can't stand it. If we drop out of it I'll have absolutely zero interest in the top flight.

This. Exactly this.

If the Premier League is so shit, would you both prefer it if we stayed in the Championship? I'm not being flippant, by the way, I'd seriously like to know what you think. Personally I have very little interest in any league we're not in. But is it the Premier League that we hate so much, or is it the fact that we're too shit for it?

I don't like what modern football has become, but at what point do we say we've found our level? Would we have even more 'fun' in League 1 or 2, for example, where there'd be terraces, cheap tickets, new grounds and new towns (pubs)? What do we want from supporting Villa?

What do we want from supporting Villa ?
Hope , would be a start!

[Dave Cooper please]

Jimbo summed it up in a sentence - what do we want. I want to enjoy myself again and I know all the logical arguments and I know the Premier League is the only show in town but an increasingly large part of me right now, on a horrible cold and wet December evening would love to be in the Fat Cat in Sheffield, or the Brunswick in Derby and echoing the immortal words of joe_c, "We're here, the bar's there and there's all those beers we haven't tried yet."

I think the exact quote started "We have a seat" because we hadn't yet been to the Kelham Island Brewery and were prevaricating , but the sentiment remains the same, going to football is a hobby, and with all hobbies surely the main thing is that you enjoy it? If not. why are you doing it? So we take a step back, but in doing so start to actually enjoy out hobby again.

[Witton Warrior]

Jimbo summed it up in a sentence - what do we want. I want to enjoy myself again and I know all the logical arguments and I know the Premier League is the only show in town but an increasingly large part of me right now, on a horrible cold and wet December evening would love to be in the Fat Cat in Sheffield, or the Brunswick in Derby and echoing the immortal words of joe_c, "We're here, the bar's there and there's all those beers we haven't tried yet."

I think the exact quote started "We have a seat" because we hadn't yet been to the Kelham Island Brewery and were prevaricating , but the sentiment remains the same, going to football is a hobby, and with all hobbies surely the main thing is that you enjoy it? If not. why are you doing it? So we take a step back, but in doing so start to actually enjoy out hobby again.

I am re-evaluating the pros and cons of the Aston Villa "hobby" - can't see many pros unfortunately as I am pretty sick of attending the longest death-scene in history

[ChicagoLion]

I think this is where the concept of Relegation is a good thing, the opportunity for some blood letting, not like here where you are stuck in a Division / Leaugue for ever without any chance of even second level Glory (see Cleveland Browns). I hate the idea that we will not be in the Top Tier, it stinks but year after year of negative record setting and humiliation needs to end.

[Steve67]

The only clear out will be those at the end of their contracts, therefore a natural ending to their Villa career. There will be NO major planning undertaken in the Championship, why would there be? When we haven't planned at any point for the league we are currently in. i can fully understand the sick of seeing us struggle mentality but to expect Villa to suddenly get real and set the world alight in the Championship would still be a poorer option. I too hate the money, the plastic fans, the Sky monopoly and the sycophantic attitude towards the so called top four, but I would much rather pit our wits against Arsenal than Brentford. There will be no major clear out if we drop, no huge cull of players.