Would it be more fun if we went down?

[Jimbo]

I think the prospect of every small-penis-syndrome bunch of Midlands scrotebags queuing up alongside every other ragtag outfit in the league to have a 'cup final' pop at the big boys will be yet another challenge we're ill-prepared for.

[Witton Warrior]

I think the prospect of every small-penis-syndrome bunch of Midlands scrotebags queuing up alongside every other ragtag outfit in the league to have a 'cup final' pop at the big boys will be yet another challenge we're ill-prepared for.

Agreed - look at the treatment Traore got in the Cup!

[Chico Hamilton III]

Cov, Blues, Wolves.... God forbid we should actually have some games that mean something. Give me these over Chelsea and Man City, where we're expected to lie down and let them rub our bellies, any day. And if it sorts the fair weather Villa fans from the real ones, even better. No need for us to shit ourselves

[r1hvy]

George Ramsay was never manager, neither was Billy Smith, and the latter wasn't our last secretary either. Jimmy McMullan seems to have been both our first and our third manager, so well done him. Alex Massie left in 1949, not 1950. Eric Houghton was not our only manager to become a director. We didn't win the 1982 Super Cup.

I hate to question your knowledge.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_European_Super_Cup

In January 1983. That makes it the 1983 Super Cup.

not really, is the season after we won the 1981 European cup, so who won the 1982 European super cup then?

Is it that we won the 1982 season's Super Cup in 1983?

Yes mate. the 1983 Super cup was played in november 1983. there must have been some sort of scheduling issue so the 1982 competition was actually played in Jan 1983, but I wasnt alive so dont quote me :-)

[Jimbo]

Cov, Blues, Wolves.... God forbid we should actually have some games that mean something. Give me these over Chelsea and Man City, where we're expected to lie down and let them rub our bellies, any day. And if it sorts the fair weather Villa fans from the real ones, even better. No need for us to shit ourselves

It's not really anything to do with shitting ourselves, but rather the logic of wanting to get out of a league we can't win in, and dropping to a league we can win in, which if we do so consistently we'll be promoted out of, back into a league we don't like because we can't win in it. In short, being Small Heath.

 

[Chico Hamilton III]

Cov, Blues, Wolves.... God forbid we should actually have some games that mean something. Give me these over Chelsea and Man City, where we're expected to lie down and let them rub our bellies, any day. And if it sorts the fair weather Villa fans from the real ones, even better. No need for us to shit ourselves

It's not really anything to do with shitting ourselves, but rather the logic of wanting to get out of a league we can't win in, and dropping to a league we can win in, which if we do so consistently we'll be promoted out of, back into a league we don't like because we can't win in it. In short, being Small Heath.

 

It'll be fun though, to answer the original post. Just like the last season we spent in the second was fun

[Toronto Villa]

The only benefit I see in relegation is that it I would hope it will allow the club to stop struggling and get back to winning. Keep the squad together as best as possible (Newcastle managed it), critically keep the manager and his coaches and provide him with sufficient financial resources and we will come straight back up. I'm tired of scrambling around at the arse end of the table year after year, changing managers every other season. I'd rather we got it right in the PL off course but we need to get back acting with a long term plan for success, and if that involves relegation to reach it then so be it.

[castlefields_villan]

George Ramsay was never manager, neither was Billy Smith, and the latter wasn't our last secretary either. Jimmy McMullan seems to have been both our first and our third manager, so well done him. Alex Massie left in 1949, not 1950. Eric Houghton was not our only manager to become a director. We didn't win the 1982 Super Cup.

I hate to question your knowledge.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_European_Super_Cup

In January 1983. That makes it the 1983 Super Cup.

not really, is the season after we won the 1981 European cup, so who won the 1982 European super cup then?

Is it that we won the 1982 season's Super Cup in 1983?

Yes mate. the 1983 Super cup was played in november 1983. there must have been some sort of scheduling issue so the 1982 competition was actually played in Jan 1983, but I wasnt alive so dont quote me :-)

We played Penarol in the 1982 World Club Cup Championship (one off game) in December 1982 & played (or rather battled against) Barcelona in a two legged Super Cup Final a few weeks later in January 1983 - was it because of the WCCF that meant the Super Cup was a bit later ? - although I tend to remember Liverpool who were European Champions immediately before us played their WCCF on the equivalent weekend in 1981.

[Jimbo]

Cov, Blues, Wolves.... God forbid we should actually have some games that mean something. Give me these over Chelsea and Man City, where we're expected to lie down and let them rub our bellies, any day. And if it sorts the fair weather Villa fans from the real ones, even better. No need for us to shit ourselves

It's not really anything to do with shitting ourselves, but rather the logic of wanting to get out of a league we can't win in, and dropping to a league we can win in, which if we do so consistently we'll be promoted out of, back into a league we don't like because we can't win in it. In short, being Small Heath.

 

It'll be fun though, to answer the original post. Just like the last season we spent in the second was fun

It was a different world then. Everything about what happened last time is crystallised in a rose-tinted moment where we were all young, stood on terraces, had a laugh and didn't have to fork out a fortune to watch our team (football in general was more fun). We won significantly more than we lost. It only lasted one year. And the gulf between the first and second division wasn't so vast, so we were able to bounce back in the top flight. Those were the mitigating circumstances that I don't see rematerialising this time around.
 

[hipkiss92]

George Ramsay was never manager, neither was Billy Smith, and the latter wasn't our last secretary either. Jimmy McMullan seems to have been both our first and our third manager, so well done him. Alex Massie left in 1949, not 1950. Eric Houghton was not our only manager to become a director. We didn't win the 1982 Super Cup.

I hate to question your knowledge.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_European_Super_Cup

In January 1983. That makes it the 1983 Super Cup.

not really, is the season after we won the 1981 European cup, so who won the 1982 European super cup then?

Is it that we won the 1982 season's Super Cup in 1983?

Yes mate. the 1983 Super cup was played in november 1983. there must have been some sort of scheduling issue so the 1982 competition was actually played in Jan 1983, but I wasnt alive so dont quote me :-)

We played Penarol in the 1982 World Club Cup Championship (one off game) in December 1982 & played (or rather battled against) Barcelona in a two legged Super Cup Final a few weeks later in January 1983 - was it because of the WCCF that meant the Super Cup was a bit later ? - although I tend to remember Liverpool who were European Champions immediately before us played their WCCF on the equivalent weekend in 1981.

Surely it's the 1982-83 Super Cup?

[Chico Hamilton III]

Miserable beggar. The pubs near the grounds will still sell beer, trains will still run (the Football Specials are no more), away games will still be a laugh and some 2nd division games might just be affordable. We might even enjoy ourselves if we only let ourselves... 

[TimTheVillain]

The only benefit I see in relegation is that it I would hope it will allow the club to stop struggling and get back to winning. Keep the squad together as best as possible (Newcastle managed it), critically keep the manager and his coaches and provide him with sufficient financial resources and we will come straight back up. I'm tired of scrambling around at the arse end of the table year after year, changing managers every other season. I'd rather we got it right in the PL off course but we need to get back acting with a long term plan for success, and if that involves relegation to reach it then so be it.

This is how I feel. We've been in and around the bottom area for too long !

[Mossie Hennebry]

Would it be more fun if we went down?

No.

With the money that the other teams in the PL will be getting, it will make it very difficult for us to compete. If we can't attract players of a sufficient standard as a PL club, it is going to be very difficult to attract them if we're down.

We don't deserve to stay up at the minute, but a turn around over the Christmas fixtures and we will be right back in it. Our 7 fixtures following Arsenal are entirely winnable: New (A), W.Ham (H), Nor (A), Sun (A), C.Pal (H), Lei (H), WBA (A). In my head, I'm targeting 14 points from 21 here - if we get 14, we'll be half way to safety.

[PeterWithesShin]

From the time we won it, for donkey's years it was the 1983 Super Cup. I've got pennants, badges etc that all say that. On the OS on the honours list it now uses 1982/83 Super Cup which it never used to. I think it's what CD said a few pages back, UEFA changed the years.

[Dave]

We would steam roller the league.

I think you're in for a rude awakening sir. We'll be lucky to make the play offs next season. It's a way tougher league to get out of than you think!

It's a tough league to get out of at the moment because all the teams trying to get out of it at the moment are equally rubbish. Not because everybody is really good.

David Nugent, Bobby Zamora and Andi Weimann are the players scoring the goals for the teams at the top of the league. Gestede and Ayew would probably get 40 goals between them in the Championship.

As Ads says, that's not something to be proud of or excited by as we shouldn't be there in the first place, but assuming we go down then we'll canter to promotion - just like an equally badly-run Newcastle did half a decade ago.