Quote from: peter w on July 14, 2016, 07:24:00 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 12, 2016, 10:10:28 PMQuote from: Villan For Life on July 12, 2016, 07:36:43 PMThere's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play? For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong. There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.He was 18 and was talked into it by his captain and the senior bowler in the side and, by all accounts, was told that all the players did it every now and then as a way of earning a bit of extra money. I think he was put into an impossible position by people who he trusted and he shouldn't be denied his entire career because of it. Disagree. He's at the age of criminal responsibility and knows the difference between right and wrong. The argument about everyone else doing it doesn't stand up otherwise it wouldn't be done in secret. Yes he's paid he's due but now he should be banned for life. Zero tolerance. He's sorry because he was caught he didn't own up to anything. Should be banned with no come back.I just think that's overly harsh, as I said before what he did was a criminal offence and he has served a criminal sentence for it, that should be enough. If he does it again then a longer prison sentence and a lifetime ban. I think Butt is the one who gets off lightly in this as he clearly manipulated a very vulnerable young man into doing his dirty work for him and yet they both get the same punishment, that's not right for me.
Quote from: paul_e on July 12, 2016, 10:10:28 PMQuote from: Villan For Life on July 12, 2016, 07:36:43 PMThere's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play? For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong. There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.He was 18 and was talked into it by his captain and the senior bowler in the side and, by all accounts, was told that all the players did it every now and then as a way of earning a bit of extra money. I think he was put into an impossible position by people who he trusted and he shouldn't be denied his entire career because of it. Disagree. He's at the age of criminal responsibility and knows the difference between right and wrong. The argument about everyone else doing it doesn't stand up otherwise it wouldn't be done in secret. Yes he's paid he's due but now he should be banned for life. Zero tolerance. He's sorry because he was caught he didn't own up to anything. Should be banned with no come back.
Quote from: Villan For Life on July 12, 2016, 07:36:43 PMThere's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play? For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong. There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.He was 18 and was talked into it by his captain and the senior bowler in the side and, by all accounts, was told that all the players did it every now and then as a way of earning a bit of extra money. I think he was put into an impossible position by people who he trusted and he shouldn't be denied his entire career because of it.
There's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play? For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong. There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.
Quote from: paul_e on July 14, 2016, 07:47:24 PMQuote from: peter w on July 14, 2016, 07:24:00 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 12, 2016, 10:10:28 PMQuote from: Villan For Life on July 12, 2016, 07:36:43 PMThere's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play? For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong. There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.He was 18 and was talked into it by his captain and the senior bowler in the side and, by all accounts, was told that all the players did it every now and then as a way of earning a bit of extra money. I think he was put into an impossible position by people who he trusted and he shouldn't be denied his entire career because of it. Disagree. He's at the age of criminal responsibility and knows the difference between right and wrong. The argument about everyone else doing it doesn't stand up otherwise it wouldn't be done in secret. Yes he's paid he's due but now he should be banned for life. Zero tolerance. He's sorry because he was caught he didn't own up to anything. Should be banned with no come back.I just think that's overly harsh, as I said before what he did was a criminal offence and he has served a criminal sentence for it, that should be enough. If he does it again then a longer prison sentence and a lifetime ban. I think Butt is the one who gets off lightly in this as he clearly manipulated a very vulnerable young man into doing his dirty work for him and yet they both get the same punishment, that's not right for me.Was listening to a debate about it on 5 Live the other day. Amir played for the same domestic side in Pakistan as Butt and the other one involved (who's name escapes me), so was probably even more influenced by them. We can think of the players what we want, but the authorities are the ones who have allowed him to play again with the length of the fan, so they should be criticised as well.
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Lets get the facts straight first guys, it wasn't match fixing - it was spot fixing. Bowling a no ball in a certain over.I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but its very different from say a boxer throwing a match, or for a goalkeeper in football deliberately allowing a goal. He bowled a no ball on purpose which doesn't change the outcome of the game. He was asked by his captain to do this at the age of 18. I think it would be very harsh if one of the most talented bowlers in the world had to face a life time ban for this. He has learned from his mistake and missed probably a 3rd of his career in the process. That's massive punishment. The other 2 Butt and Asif were at an age where a 5 year ban meant the end of their career anyway - so for those 2 you could say it was a lifetime ban. But they should have known better being experienced pros.Im sure if he had been asked to deliberately bowl poorly or allow the opposition to win he would not have done this for his captain.I for one am glad he's back as hes an exceptional talent, just wish Misbah was the captain then or Inzi - Would not have happened. On a side note, why on earth do betting companies allow for stupid bets like offering odds for a no ball in the next over, or what time the first throw in in football will be.
I agree with everything except having a distinction between spot and match fixing. You can't possibly know that deliberately bowling a no ball, or batting out a maiden isn't going to impact the outcome of the match. You could bowl a batsman with that no ball and then he goes on to make a double hundred. I agree though that Amir deserves to be back involved now and people need to move on.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2016, 10:10:12 AMI agree with everything except having a distinction between spot and match fixing. You can't possibly know that deliberately bowling a no ball, or batting out a maiden isn't going to impact the outcome of the match. You could bowl a batsman with that no ball and then he goes on to make a double hundred. I agree though that Amir deserves to be back involved now and people need to move on. Ah but it's all about intent. If you intend to bowl a few no balls but otherwise win the game then it's very different to intending to lose the game even if the result is the same.
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