The Cricket Thread 2016

[PaulWinch again]

I think my issue is bowlers who can't grind out a good spell when they're not in form. It's alright looking sparkling when you're in rhythm, but it's how you do when things aren't in your favour that defines you. Finn is increasingly looking like he can't grind a spell out.

[paul_e]

I think my issue is bowlers who can't grind out a good spell when they're not in form. It's alright looking sparkling when you're in rhythm, but it's how you do when things aren't in your favour that defines you. Finn is increasingly looking like he can't grind a spell out.

I've been of that opinion for a while, I suspect he'll be out of the team for the next test on the back of it, I just don't see how you could justify him ahead of stokes and woakes (ignoring jimmy and broad of course).

[Dave Cooper please]

If Anderson and Stokes are fit for the next teat then Finn will be out.
Woakes was easily our best bowler today, it would be nice to see him get on the honours board tomorrow.

[paul_e]

282-6 I guess about an even day all said. They don't have much batting left so keep Misbah in check and we could limit them to 350ish.  If so we then need some big runs and to aim for 450+ really.

[tomd2103]

282-6 I guess about an even day all said. They don't have much batting left so keep Misbah in check and we could limit them to 350ish.  If so we then need some big runs and to aim for 450+ really.

Really hard to tell until both sides have batted.  I am a little concerned about our top order, particularly as the Pakistanis look to have a good bowling attack. 

[PGW]

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36798903

Disturbing news with regard to Michael Carberry who missed recent game with Bears due to feeling unwell.

[cdbearsfan]

Fuck.

[PGW]

Hampshire statement

www.aegasbowl.com/cricket/news/carberry-club-statement-2016/

[dave shelley]

I wish him well.

[PGW]

Hampshire statement

www.aegasbowl.com/cricket/news/carberry-club-statement-2016/

That link doesn't appear to be working, doesn't say a great deal more than the BBC statement.

[paul_e]

282-6 I guess about an even day all said. They don't have much batting left so keep Misbah in check and we could limit them to 350ish.  If so we then need some big runs and to aim for 450+ really.

Really hard to tell until both sides have batted.  I am a little concerned about our top order, particularly as the Pakistanis look to have a good bowling attack. 

True but this is Lords and the 2nd day is usually the easiest part of the match here, after that it either goes flat and you get a bore draw or it breaks up and day 5 is a bitch.

[peter w]

There's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.

So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play?

For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.

One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong.

There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.

He was 18 and was talked into it by his captain and the senior bowler in the side and, by all accounts, was told that all the players did it every now and then as a way of earning a bit of extra money.  I think he was put into an impossible position by people who he trusted and he shouldn't be denied his entire career because of it. 

Disagree. He's at the age of criminal responsibility and knows the difference between right and wrong. The argument about everyone else doing it doesn't stand up otherwise it wouldn't be done in secret. Yes he's paid he's due but now he should be banned for life. Zero tolerance. He's sorry because he was caught he didn't own up to anything. Should be banned with no come back.

[tomd2103]

282-6 I guess about an even day all said. They don't have much batting left so keep Misbah in check and we could limit them to 350ish.  If so we then need some big runs and to aim for 450+ really.

Really hard to tell until both sides have batted.  I am a little concerned about our top order, particularly as the Pakistanis look to have a good bowling attack. 

True but this is Lords and the 2nd day is usually the easiest part of the match here, after that it either goes flat and you get a bore draw or it breaks up and day 5 is a bitch.

Seeing as the have a genuine world class leg spinner in their side, let's hope that is not the case!  Should be a good series.

[paul_e]

282-6 I guess about an even day all said. They don't have much batting left so keep Misbah in check and we could limit them to 350ish.  If so we then need some big runs and to aim for 450+ really.

Really hard to tell until both sides have batted.  I am a little concerned about our top order, particularly as the Pakistanis look to have a good bowling attack. 

True but this is Lords and the 2nd day is usually the easiest part of the match here, after that it either goes flat and you get a bore draw or it breaks up and day 5 is a bitch.

Seeing as the have a genuine world class leg spinner in their side, let's hope that is not the case!  Should be a good series.

That's why I think we need to see them off quick and then get as big a lead as possible.

[paul_e]

There's plenty of coverage of the return of Mohammad Amir to the Pakistan test side. He's likely to play in the Lords test which starts on Thursday, ironically he's returning to the scene of his crime.

So fellow H&V'ers should he be allowed to play?

For me, he should have been banned for life from the game. Match fixing is wrong and he knew the risks when he joined the other match fixers such as Salman Butt.

One of the arguments put forward by the let him play "brigade" is that he was only 18 when he got caught in a tabloid sting. I just think that at 18 you know the difference between right and wrong.

There's also the question of ICC double standards. Lou Vincent, the Kiwi bowler received 11 life bans for admitting his part in match fixing. He cooperated with the fixing enquiry from the start and plead guilty. Why did they throw the book at him yet let Amir back in after serving his ban? Match fixing is match fixing and Amir should have got the same life ban.

He was 18 and was talked into it by his captain and the senior bowler in the side and, by all accounts, was told that all the players did it every now and then as a way of earning a bit of extra money.  I think he was put into an impossible position by people who he trusted and he shouldn't be denied his entire career because of it. 

Disagree. He's at the age of criminal responsibility and knows the difference between right and wrong. The argument about everyone else doing it doesn't stand up otherwise it wouldn't be done in secret. Yes he's paid he's due but now he should be banned for life. Zero tolerance. He's sorry because he was caught he didn't own up to anything. Should be banned with no come back.

I just think that's overly harsh, as I said before what he did was a criminal offence and he has served a criminal sentence for it, that should be enough.  If he does it again then a longer prison sentence and a lifetime ban.  I think Butt is the one who gets off lightly in this as he clearly manipulated a very vulnerable young man into doing his dirty work for him and yet they both get the same punishment, that's not right for me.