We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...

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Lulz, didn't I give Summary Judgment on this last week before Baron von Ricardo of Tiptonshire made the exact same point as he has been forced to make again?

When will you humans ever learn?

[Villa in Denmark]

If the chairman was not responsible for MON walking away, why did he pay him compensation?

This nonsense again?

Really?

Well he did recieve a payout. This would imply he was wronged in some way

<bangs head on desk in frustration>

He didn't receive a payout - the parties reached an out of Court settlement.

Companies make settlement payments in litigation for all manner of reasons, mainly related to legal costs.

For all we know it might have been MON for whom the case was going really badly and if so perhaps he agreed to accept a settlement at a much lower figure than it was going to cost Aston Villa (and MON) to have a silk there for any longer. Certainly the guy who was representing MON is very good indeed and therefore not cheap.

I think you've got more chance convincing Danlanza that the twin towers wasn't an inside job.

[cdward]

If the chairman was not responsible for MON walking away, why did he pay him compensation?

This nonsense again?

Really?

Well he did recieve a payout. This would imply he was wronged in some way

<bangs head on desk in frustration>

He didn't receive a payout - the parties reached an out of Court settlement.

Companies make settlement payments in litigation for all manner of reasons, mainly related to legal costs.

For all we know it might have been MON for whom the case was going really badly and if so perhaps he agreed to accept a settlement at a much lower figure than it was going to cost Aston Villa (and MON) to have a silk there for any longer. Certainly the guy who was representing MON is very good indeed and therefore not cheap.

Eh? He didn't receive a payout, but reached an out of court settlement. What is the difference?

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Go do your LLB or your GDL if you already have a degree, then your LPC, get a Training Contract, work at it for 2 years (unless you have time to count) then all will become clear.

Alternatively, just take it on face value that the lawyer master race knows more than you.

[john e]

If the chairman was not responsible for MON walking away, why did he pay him compensation?

This nonsense again?

Really?

Well he did recieve a payout. This would imply he was wronged in some way

<bangs head on desk in frustration>

He didn't receive a payout - the parties reached an out of Court settlement.

Companies make settlement payments in litigation for all manner of reasons, mainly related to legal costs.

For all we know it might have been MON for whom the case was going really badly and if so perhaps he agreed to accept a settlement at a much lower figure than it was going to cost Aston Villa (and MON) to have a silk there for any longer. Certainly the guy who was representing MON is very good indeed and therefore not cheap.

That's all just semantics, he recieved a settlement , you know it I know it,
 the rest is just bollocks to make us feel better because we hate the little twat

[paul_e]

Effectively an out of court settlement, with agreements to not slag each other off in the press, was almost certainly cheaper and 'nicer' than pushing through the courts.  There's no acceptance of blame involved it's a simple "you want X we don't want to pay and court action is going to cost both of us Y so can we just settle on Z and agree to be adults about it" where z is less than x and y, simple.  I don't really get how people are struggling to understand this after all this time.

[Richard E]

"Received a payout" suggests (to me) a scenario where the Court/Tribunal/Whatever found in his favour and ordered Villa to cough up.

It was an out of Court settlement because Villa coughed up something, for what reason we don't know, how much we don't know, without being ordered to. 

You can't read into the fact that we paid him some money that he had a good case and it certainly does not mean that he won. I genuinely do not know what his case was and whether he would have won had it gone the distance, none of us do.

[Richard E]

all just semantics, he recieved a settlement , you know it I know it,
 the rest is just bollocks to make us feel better because we hate the little twat

In my heart of hearts I suspect you a probably right but technically we do not know that, and it does make me feel a bit better to argue otherwise because I hate the little tw*t, yes.

[Villa in Denmark]

John it's not semantics.

Compensation is an admission of wrongdoing, which was not part of the public statement.  Don't you think he'd have turned the knife the last 1/4 turn if he'd had the chance and had it included in the statement if he was in such a strong position.

A settlement is a way of getting a case off the agenda at least possible cost, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the case.  (without prejudice I believe is the correct term).

My former employers in the UK were constantly getting screwed over for a few thousand here and there on cases where it would cost more to even investigate a claim to a point where it could be refuted, let alone take it through a tribunal.  Until a former production manager returned from a period at head office in France as the new site director.

He made a point of chasing a couple of multiple claimants through to tribunal on cases he knew we were in the right on. It cost an arm and a leg on the individual cases, but the net effect was that we were only pursued for a fraction of cases from then on, as people believed that they had to be  sure on their case, rather than trying their luck.

[john e]

all just semantics, he recieved a settlement , you know it I know it,
 the rest is just bollocks to make us feel better because we hate the little twat

In my heart of hearts I suspect you a probably right but technically we do not know that, and it does make me feel a bit better to argue otherwise because I hate the little tw*t, yes.

Yes that is the heart of the matter
He walked out on us 5 days before the season starts, then he comes back and fills his pockets with cash, we Don't like it we hate that, so we then try and think of scenarios where maybe he didn't

But ultimately we know he did, were just gona have to get over it......given time

[cdward]

Go do your LLB or your GDL if you already have a degree, then your LPC, get a Training Contract, work at it for 2 years (unless you have time to count) then all will become clear.

Alternatively, just take it on face value that the lawyer master race knows more than you.

So you don't know, fair enough, why didn't you just say so.

[pauliewalnuts]

all just semantics, he recieved a settlement , you know it I know it,
 the rest is just bollocks to make us feel better because we hate the little twat

In my heart of hearts I suspect you a probably right but technically we do not know that, and it does make me feel a bit better to argue otherwise because I hate the little tw*t, yes.

Yes that is the heart of the matter
He walked out on us 5 days before the season starts, then he comes back and fills his pockets with cash, we Don't like it we hate that, so we then try and think of scenarios where maybe he didn't

But ultimately we know he did, were just gona have to get over it......given time

Except there's not much thinking needed here. As others have said, the fact he received a payout doesn't mean he won any case.

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

[dave.woodhall]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

[joe_c]

I seem to recall when John Gregory left Derby in somewhat fractious circumstances and he launched a tribunal against him, Derby coughed up out of court and pretty much flat out said that they couldn't afford to lose a tribunal even though they had a strong claim against him and that an out of court settlement was the most palatable option open to them. Seems pretty similar to me.