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Offline silhillvilla

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #165 on: November 17, 2014, 12:32:43 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #166 on: November 17, 2014, 12:46:51 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

Didn't he just use to do some scouting for us?

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #167 on: November 17, 2014, 12:49:38 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

Didn't he just use to do some scouting for us?

Yes and in the grand scheme of everything else going only the club his presence was less than a blip in our history.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2014, 12:59:18 PM »
On Wiki it states Storey Moore (a colleague of MON's at Forest) was our Chief Scout.

I wonder how much that job paid? Did he travel abroad?

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2014, 01:33:28 PM »
On the second one, he was even worse, just lumping huge amounts of money at predictable signings. All of his 40 plus signings bar two (Guzan and Carew) came from the overpriced UK market, and of those one was a suggestion from elsewhere rather than his idea, and the other was a punt on a cheap back up goalkeeper.


How can you forget Salifou!

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2014, 01:38:04 PM »
Sally ... Salifou, Sally... Salifou! Great song at least.  I thought Maloney was a good player, reminded me a bit of Tommy Johnson. He left because he couldn't settle, is that right? Great free-kicks at Sunderland and City and a 5 star performance at Stamford Bridge in the 4-4.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2014, 01:39:07 PM »
Clearly those figures are just speculation, we never got as far as making a bid and the Everton fee was reported as 'undisclosed. In any case, I was talking from a football rather than a financial point of view. One of MON's failings is that he was old school in that he didn't consider it his remit to worry about the money side but those days are long gone other than at a small number of super rich clubs.

It's not that much speculation considering what Spartak paid for him, and there are plenty of undisclosed fees where the approximate fee is known.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2014, 01:59:39 PM »
On Wiki it states Storey Moore (a colleague of MON's at Forest) was our Chief Scout.

I wonder how much that job paid? Did he travel abroad?

Let's get Ian on the blower for his side of the storey. Maybe MON gagged him and said not to complain about being paid to do nowt.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2014, 02:08:43 PM »
Like you said, Monty, tactical acuity, and also an ability to spot a player and work the transfer system a bit to get as much out of it as you can.

On the first of those, MON was absolutely hopeless. We just did the same thing game after game. I can't remember him ever significantly changing our set up to reflect the team we were playing. It was "one size fits all". Even his substitutions were the same week after week.
I was listening to the radio on friday and they were discussing the tactics displayed by Ireland in the Germany game last month, and the wingers being switched regularly was noted, even being praised by the journalist. Had to have a wry chuckle to myself. That said, O'Neill did start the scotland game with 1 up front, not 4-4-2 (not that it did us any good) so maybe he has been weaned off that particular habit.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2014, 02:11:35 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

Didn't he just use to do some scouting for us?

Yes and in the grand scheme of everything else going only the club his presence was less than a blip in our history.

But it did provide the most hysterically over the top reaction in H+V history.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #175 on: November 17, 2014, 02:13:28 PM »
Clearly those figures are just speculation, we never got as far as making a bid and the Everton fee was reported as 'undisclosed. In any case, I was talking from a football rather than a financial point of view. One of MON's failings is that he was old school in that he didn't consider it his remit to worry about the money side but those days are long gone other than at a small number of super rich clubs.

It's not that much speculation considering what Spartak paid for him, and there are plenty of undisclosed fees where the approximate fee is known.
And the football and financial side are intrinsically linked. If O'Neill had wanted £1.5m (the fee that Everton fans seem to think that he cost) to buy him, then I don't think either Randy or the fans would have had any issue with that.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #176 on: November 17, 2014, 02:36:36 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

Didn't he just use to do some scouting for us?

Wasn't Glenn Roeder a coach for us in the G Hou season, and IIRC did a good job in shoring us up defensively during the final couple of months of the season?

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #177 on: November 17, 2014, 08:36:47 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

Didn't he just use to do some scouting for us?

Wasn't Glenn Roeder a coach for us in the G Hou season, and IIRC did a good job in shoring us up defensively during the final couple of months of the season?

Nah Roeder was just a scout thankfully.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #178 on: November 17, 2014, 08:38:22 PM »
Dib, dib, dib. Dob, dob, dob.

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Re: We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...
« Reply #179 on: November 17, 2014, 08:56:16 PM »
I may be wrong (I usually am!) but wasn't Ian Storey Moore our foreign scout. If MON took no notice of his recomendations what was the point of paying him a salary?
Wasn't Glenn Roeder bizarrely on the payroll too? Or did I imagine that one.

Didn't he just use to do some scouting for us?

Yes and in the grand scheme of everything else going only the club his presence was less than a blip in our history.

But it did provide the most hysterically over the top reaction in H+V history.
Considering his recent cv included some good work in relegating Newcastle it's kind of understandable.

 


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