Tom Cleverley loan watch

[Brend'Watkins]

They can't demand money for a product that doesn't belong to them.

I'm sure they could have written something into the loan agreement that states if we sign him on a free transfer after the loan expires, we have to compensate them.

How can they do that if he's out of contract?  Or, to put it another way, if they do, he is then still under contract.  If he decides he wants to go to Everton do they have to pay a fee too?

[Malandro]

They can't demand money for a product that doesn't belong to them.

I'm sure they could have written something into the loan agreement that states if we sign him on a free transfer after the loan expires, we have to compensate them.

How can they do that if he's out of contract?  Or, to put it another way, if they do, he is then still under contract.  If he decides he wants to go to Everton do they have to pay a fee too?

I may be completely wrong on this.

But no other team would have to pay a fee as he's obviously a bosman in the summer.

[Dave]

They can't demand money for a product that doesn't belong to them.

I'm sure they could have written something into the loan agreement that states if we sign him on a free transfer after the loan expires, we have to compensate them.

How can they do that if he's out of contract?  Or, to put it another way, if they do, he is then still under contract.  If he decides he wants to go to Everton do they have to pay a fee too?

I may be completely wrong on this.

But no other team would have to pay a fee as he's obviously a bosman in the summer.

I remember having this discussion on here before, and I just can't see how it would be enforceable. If he can sign for whoever he wants to but if it's us then we need to pay ManYoo £8m. Surely when we agree that, we tacitly accept that he won't be signing for us - because any other club can potentially offer double or triple the wages that we would because of our initial outlay.

However, I also can't see how ManYoo would agree an £8m fee in August and then be willing to effectively write it off by just sending him on loan for the year with nothing in place.

If the agreement is there, why couldn't we just do what Spurs did with Zeki Fryers - he joins another club on a short-term contract, we slip them half a million as a 'transfer fee' to make it worth their while and he joins us a few weeks later, Unsworth-style.

[Matt Collins]

Do bosmans still apply in full if the player has been at the club since a youth?

[SoccerHQ]

Only if the player is under 24 isn't it? Burnley should get a bit for Ings even though they didn't develop him.

[Dave]

That's it.

And the rules are then different to going abroad or to another UK club - so he's apparently moving to Liverpool or Real Sociedad. If he stays in England, Burnley can expect around £5m in compensation, it he goes to Spain they get around £250,000.

[Villafirst]

I thought Villa have first option to buy him on a permanent deal when the loan ends?

[Dante Lavelli]

Doubt it, he's be a free agent to go where he chooses.

[tomd2103]

I imagine Sherwood is really knarked about the Gardner loan to Forest.

The football league season finishes a few weeks before the Premier League this season and with Forest not making the play offs, he'll be back for the last few games. 

[ciggiesnbeer]

I want him to stay. I have a soft spot for players who have a high work rate (see also Weimann).

Unfortunately I think he will be off to Everton

[Villa in Denmark]

I thought Villa have first option to buy him on a permanent deal when the loan ends?

Villa had first refusal to sign him if anyone else wanted to sign him permanently in January, the activation fee being £8M.

eg. Everton came back in and offer Man Utd £9M for him, we get the right to offer the £8M to keep him.

We say no thanks, he goes to Everton for £9M.

No-one did anything so he stays on loan with us until season end, presumably with a loan fee involved.

Under the current circumstances he's free to go wherever he likes, as he is no longer under contract to anyone.  If we he decides he wants to stay and we want him to stay, it will be on a free agent basis, i.e. bloody huge signing on fee to Cleverley instead of transfer fee to Man Utd.

[aev]

Man Utd must be gutted he was so hopeless until February.

[Dante Lavelli]

Unlikely but I wonder how much of Cleverly's poor form was by design?
Arguably he will personally get more of the money now he is a free agent compared to if he was transferred.

[old man villa fan]

Unlikely but I wonder how much of Cleverly's poor form was by design?
Arguably he will personally get more of the money now he is a free agent compared to if he was transferred.

The only design that caused his poor form was the system put forward by Lambert

[Toronto Villa]

It's being now reported in a few places that we will be offering him a contract in the summer and no fee is being mentioned. If that is the case, it's a complete steal. He has really come on leaps and bounds since Sherwood came in. Add in Sinclair for 3m or so, and that is top business by the club.