Tom Cleverley loan watch

[dave.woodhall]

Why are sums ranging from 1.5 to 7.5 million being banded about when he is out of contract in the summer?

I could have sworn that we had a first refusal clause of £7.5 million in the loan deal, based on what we'd have paid in August.

[silhillvilla]

I'd seriously send this lad packing back to Yanited reserve team ASAP.
He's crap .

[papa lazarou]

I find this thread quite depressing.

[paul_e]

If true about Everton and I were Lambert I would send him back now as he obviously doesn't want to be here or see his future here so will not in my mind be 100% committed to the cause. Of course the real Paul Lambert will keep him and continue to play him regardless to prove 'his' signing was up to the task.

There's a big old pile of sticks to beat Lambert with but being unwilling to offload a signing that isn't working is definitely not one.


On topic, 7m for a guy who's out of contract in 6 months is robbery in any situation, when the player in question isn't worth 7m at full price it's just taking the piss.  Sanchez cost a little over half that having played very well at the world cup for a side that looked very good and since they've arrived he's proven to be a far better player in pretty much every aspect.  £1-1.5m and there's a conversation to be had, anything above that is taking the piss based on a few England caps and United being the "bestest team ever in the world so all their players must be the bestest ever, even the ones that have repeatedly proven themselves to be not very good."

[Tony Erdington]

not good enough to warrant a fee, send him back and see if we can off load a couple of our "not so good" players on them, Andi comes to mind.

[Richard E]

Why are sums ranging from 1.5 to 7.5 million being banded about when he is out of contract in the summer?

I could have sworn that we had a first refusal clause of £7.5 million in the loan deal, based on what we'd have paid in August.

If we have an option to buy him surely he agreed to that in August so if we exercise it he is stuck with it and wouldn't be able to "snub" us for Everton? Otherwise its a fairly meaningless option.

[Walmley_Villa]

If true about Everton and I were Lambert I would send him back now as he obviously doesn't want to be here or see his future here so will not in my mind be 100% committed to the cause. Of course the real Paul Lambert will keep him and continue to play him regardless to prove 'his' signing was up to the task.

There's a big old pile of sticks to beat Lambert with but being unwilling to offload a signing that isn't working is definitely not one.


On topic, 7m for a guy who's out of contract in 6 months is robbery in any situation, when the player in question isn't worth 7m at full price it's just taking the piss.  Sanchez cost a little over half that having played very well at the world cup for a side that looked very good and since they've arrived he's proven to be a far better player in pretty much every aspect.  £1-1.5m and there's a conversation to be had, anything above that is taking the piss based on a few England caps and United being the "bestest team ever in the world so all their players must be the bestest ever, even the ones that have repeatedly proven themselves to be not very good."

Maybe I am being a bit unfair, just frustration I guess.

[Phil from the upper holte]

If he's out of contract then I'd pay nothing because he's out of contract and we'll probably get nowt for Delph and Vlaar, so signing him is not worth it.

He's not shown to me that he's worth anything more than a £1m and i'd rather have Westwood

[ADVILLAFAN]

He's doesn't add much defensively, or to our attacks. He is quite good at throwing himself and passing sideways. Certainly wouldn't want us to pay any money for him, or huge wages.

[pauliewalnuts]

Why are sums ranging from 1.5 to 7.5 million being banded about when he is out of contract in the summer?

I could have sworn that we had a first refusal clause of £7.5 million in the loan deal, based on what we'd have paid in August.

If we have an option to buy him surely he agreed to that in August so if we exercise it he is stuck with it and wouldn't be able to "snub" us for Everton? Otherwise its a fairly meaningless option.

That option will be there surely to protect what we want with respect to what Man United might want, rather than us having a legal right to make him join us, which would of course be utterly meaningless and unenforceable.

[tom jennings III]

Just couldn“t care less if we sign him or not but anything over 2m would be a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I'm just relieved that we tried him before we buyed him.

[Villa in Denmark]

Why are sums ranging from 1.5 to 7.5 million being banded about when he is out of contract in the summer?

I could have sworn that we had a first refusal clause of £7.5 million in the loan deal, based on what we'd have paid in August.

It might be my memory playing tricks but I though the deal was.

On loan with first refusal on the option to make it permanent now for the £7.5M they wanted in the summer
If we don't want to make it permanent now, then Man Utd can accept an offer from anyone else.
If no one else comes in for him, he stays for the rest of the season and can sign for whomever in the summer on a Bosman.

So if we (reasonably enough in my opinion) don't want to cough for the £7.5M, (which in my opinion would have been too much with 2-3 years on his contract, let alone 12 months) then Everton (who he was trying to force a move to, which is why it only ended up as a loan deal with us before) can offer Man Utd £2.50 if they think they can get away with it.

Thanks for coming Tom, but don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

Him signing permanently for Everton is probably a result that suits all 4 parties if Martinez genuinely wants him and we don't

We've had a squad filler that's only cost us wages for a few months and given us a chance to decide he's not for us.
Everton can probably get him for less than the £7.5 both clubs were apparently quoted in the summer.
Man Utd get something better than £0 for him.
He gets the move he wanted in the summer.

[silhillvilla]

He's like a crap version of Brett Holman.
At least Holman weighed in with some lovely goals .

[Matt C]

Yeah, both of them.