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Offline Chico Hamilton III

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #285 on: August 05, 2014, 09:37:02 AM »
Third story I’ve heard in a week about Villa being hyper sensitive and protecting their image from public criticism.  Asking Supporters’ Clubs not to “insult” the club, Ian Taylor speaks his mind and gets left at home, articles being censored.....

Stinks a bit

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #286 on: August 05, 2014, 09:46:45 AM »
On the basis of his duty being to promote the club and present it in the best possible light to the "customers" the censure of a long established hero of those customers for being critical of performances is just as much a breach of duty by those censuring him. Coming down like a ton of bricks on an employee for telling the truth is not presenting the club in the best possible light. Quite the reverse. It is a petty and spiteful reaction to fair comment.  Of late I have come to the conclusion that the club has a death wish the way everything is turned into a crisis.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #287 on: August 05, 2014, 10:32:22 AM »
His comments on twitter were largely to the tune of "this isn't good enough" during games.

The problem is, he's paid by the club to do a job. It is surely entirely understandable for an employee to expect repercussions if he criticises him employer to tens of thousands of followers on twitter?

Re "if he doesn't need the money, he should resign so he can say what he likes", I take it that means he is due some criticism if he opts for the money and keeps quiet?

If comments like 'this isn't good enough' is a far as he went, then maybe a quiet word in his ear would have been suffice as opposed to leaving him out of a club tour thus bringing more unwanted negativity on the club.

If that is even what happened.

Strikes me that we don't even know for sure why he wasn't on the tour, it could have been something entirely unrelated.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #288 on: August 05, 2014, 10:33:18 AM »
On the basis of his duty being to promote the club and present it in the best possible light to the "customers" the censure of a long established hero of those customers for being critical of performances is just as much a breach of duty by those censuring him. Coming down like a ton of bricks on an employee for telling the truth is not presenting the club in the best possible light. Quite the reverse. It is a petty and spiteful reaction to fair comment.  Of late I have come to the conclusion that the club has a death wish the way everything is turned into a crisis.

If not being taken on a two match US tour is seen as coming down on an employee like a ton of bricks, then I've been working for the wrong people all my life.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #289 on: August 05, 2014, 10:48:16 AM »
The punishment is not in the missing a cheap jolly but the being put down by a clear and public pull.  You don't treat club heroes that way. That us the lot of us hoi polloi.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #290 on: August 05, 2014, 10:48:46 AM »
His comments on twitter were largely to the tune of "this isn't good enough" during games.

The problem is, he's paid by the club to do a job. It is surely entirely understandable for an employee to expect repercussions if he criticises him employer to tens of thousands of followers on twitter?

Re "if he doesn't need the money, he should resign so he can say what he likes", I take it that means he is due some criticism if he opts for the money and keeps quiet?

If comments like 'this isn't good enough' is a far as he went, then maybe a quiet word in his ear would have been suffice as opposed to leaving him out of a club tour thus bringing more unwanted negativity on the club.

If that is even what happened.

Strikes me that we don't even know for sure why he wasn't on the tour, it could have been something entirely unrelated.

Judging by what he was saying last night on Tom Ross' programme, his inclusion from the tour was in relation to comments he has made.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #291 on: August 05, 2014, 11:29:38 AM »
It was made clear on TS this morning that Tayls was definately left at home for this reason. There was some PR BS put about by Hendrie and others about Tayls pulling out, but there was no use of the word allegedly this morning, they were definate in that this was the reason he wasnt there

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #292 on: August 05, 2014, 11:31:42 AM »
If I went on social media and criticised my firm I would expect to be left home all week too. And the week after that.

If you have something to say, speak to the right people. You don't use social media as a platform with one hand while you take the Kings shilling in the other.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #293 on: August 05, 2014, 11:44:54 AM »
Like a lot of people Taylor probably thought Lambert would be on his bike at the end of the season which is why he thought he could get away with sinking his teeth into himand telling a few home truths. Sadly he's still bloody here.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #294 on: August 05, 2014, 11:46:50 AM »
Everyone knows the club is a shambles from top to bottom and Taylor was put in an impossible position whereby if he said all was fine at the club he'd have been ridiculed. He tells the truth and gets very publicly punished.

He should resign and start blowing the whistle on the club and the arseholes who run it.

Anyone know who made the decision on Taylor? was it Lambert? not that it matters, he couldn't sink any lower in my estimation even if it was him.

 

Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #295 on: August 05, 2014, 12:02:42 PM »
Everyone knows the club is a shambles from top to bottom and Taylor was put in an impossible position whereby if he said all was fine at the club he'd have been ridiculed. He tells the truth and gets very publicly punished.

He should resign and start blowing the whistle on the club and the arseholes who run it.

Anyone know who made the decision on Taylor? was it Lambert? not that it matters, he couldn't sink any lower in my estimation even if it was him.

 

Nobody was forcing him to post criticism of the team on twitter. It's not like he was being grilled by Paxman and had to voice an opinion.

I don't really understand what the club ambassador is meant to include and exclude though - ie whether the normal employer / employee analogy is valid

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #296 on: August 05, 2014, 12:15:43 PM »
I think first and foremost Taylor is a fan of the club and like most of us couldn't stop his frustrations from flowing on to social media. The role is best for an ex player,not ex player and supporter.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #297 on: August 05, 2014, 12:22:32 PM »
Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.

He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me. 

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #298 on: August 05, 2014, 12:24:19 PM »
I think first and foremost Taylor is a fan of the club and like most of us couldn't stop his frustrations from flowing on to social media. The role is best for an ex player,not ex player and supporter.

Lots of people stop their frustrations about football flowing onto soshulmeeja. Just dont use it. Twitter is a massive ego trip for some people who think the world is remotely interested in their day to day thoughts.

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Re: Ian Taylor left out of tour...
« Reply #299 on: August 05, 2014, 12:31:39 PM »
Everyone knows the club is a shambles from top to bottom and Taylor was put in an impossible position whereby if he said all was fine at the club he'd have been ridiculed. He tells the truth and gets very publicly punished.

He should resign and start blowing the whistle on the club and the arseholes who run it.

Anyone know who made the decision on Taylor? was it Lambert? not that it matters, he couldn't sink any lower in my estimation even if it was him.

 

Nobody was forcing him to post criticism of the team on twitter. It's not like he was being grilled by Paxman and had to voice an opinion.

I don't really understand what the club ambassador is meant to include and exclude though - ie whether the normal employer / employee analogy is valid

Exactly, he wasn't required to say anything at all

 


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