Ian Taylor left out of tour...

[KevinGage]

Ian Taylor will still be going to Villa matches long after Lambert has left, so I couldn't really care if he has put PL's nose out of joint. 

I get that Tayls  is on the payroll, but I think I'd be far more disappointed if he wasn't critical about some of the absolute dross served up last season.

[villan from luton]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth

[Dante Lavelli]

Avoiding having a mass of  multi quotes, I think that's a fair thing to say. Some people will find any excuse to point the finger at lambert, however I think it's just the general state of affairs that make these smaller things seem more prominent. Take this instance. Lambert says everyone is starting this season a fresh , slates wiped clean etc but then seemingly holds a grudge with the clubs ambassador. If it was isolated, I'm not so sure people would be as bothered. PL could of had a quiet word with Taylor and said, look I need you on board, we're all in this together etc. This just creates pointless and avoidable distractions.

**Post refers to last 2 points on page 2 as I didn't see page 3

Yeah but in that text you've assumed that Taylor was told not to attend and ignored the alternative theory that he has other commitments.  Isn't he also an agent?  I'd imagine that his other clients would be pretty pissed off if he went to the states and neglected their big move to [insert club].

[dave.woodhall]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth

And another point is missed.

[john e]

I really don't think his twits were seriously bad, saying a performance was unacceptable is pretty much spot on
If Lambert can't handle a bit of mild criticism like that he needs to fuck of out of it,
I don't care about this 'hand that feeds you' bullshit, he said what was right in a not to disrespectfull way
I have been a big supporter of Lambert and still am, but if he Is really as threatened as this then he's not the man I thought,

That's if it's true of course

[tomd2103]

I really don't think his twits were seriously bad, saying a performance was unacceptable is pretty much spot on
If Lambert can't handle a bit of mild criticism like that he needs to fuck of out of it,
I don't care about this 'hand that feeds you' bullshit, he said what was right in a not to disrespectfull way
I have been a big supporter of Lambert and still am, but if he Is really as threatened as this then he's not the man I thought,

That's if it's true of course

Happens in most walks of life though doesn't it?  There have been disciplinary actions against people at the place I work due to them posting negative and critical comments about the organisation on social media.   

[Dante Lavelli]

A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.

[john e]

A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.

I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does

[Dante Lavelli]

A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.

I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does

All true.  ...and his face does resemble a tomato.

[Big Dick Edwards]

Whatever business you're in you can't expect to bite the hand that feeds you and be surprised if there are consequences.

[tomd2103]

A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.

I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does

Maybe so, but you tend to get a feel if someone is going to be like that and try and avoid giving them the satisfaction they so obviously crave. 

[villan from luton]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth

And another point is missed.

Please dont try to patronise me, I am entitled to my opinion surely

[ciggiesnbeer]

Has anyone got a record of the tweets that are supposed to have caused such offence? I vaguely remember a couple at the end of last season that I didn't think were that bad but in retrospect that was probably because I thought the same thing or much worse at the time.

I don't think they were bad either, particularly given his enthusiastic tweets about keane joining etc afterwards. Anyway this is the only negative one I remember.

"Ian Taylor @IanTaylor7  ·  May 11
#THFC 3 #AVFC 0 Shocking. Our amazing fans don't deserve what they've got this season. They were superb again today. It's not good enough"

Honestly I find this frozen out thing very hard to believe. Ken McNaught has said far far worse on air while commentating for AVTV.

[bertlambshank]

Taylor have critical of the club on Talksport.

[dave.woodhall]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth

And another point is missed.

Please dont try to patronise me, I am entitled to my opinion surely

You're not being patronised. You're being disagreed with.