Roy Keane - new assistant manager (CONFIRMED)

[rob_bridge]

I'd also disagree that it was a "much weaker league than we have now." I think the likes of Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Zola and co would have something to say about it.

Yeah I think the Prem has got worse in the last 10 years. We're not blessed with quite as many standout, world class players as years gone by. Even then they tend to find the grass is a bit greener and fudge off to Spain.
The lower end sides are a lot worse than they used to be too.

I agree with this.

Plus Keane got the better of Viera more often than not and always got the better of StevieScouseGod Me.

I also don't think Keane was particularly good in the 4 games in World Cup 94. He did ok but nothing outstanding.
The best player for Ireland was one P McGrath - he even made Phil Baab look like Bobby Moore in the making.

I remain to be convinced though I suppose the one thing he would give us is an elevated profile

As others have said we desperately need a technical coach on the staff.

[Percy McCarthy]

Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.

[rob_bridge]

I doubt we will see that a midfield with such balance, talent, determination, skill as that ManUre team of late 97-03.

The whole package.

When the hero worshipped England Captain (Beckham) is the 4th best player in a midfield then you have something special.

Keane was so good Ferguson bought 2 players to replace him (Hargreaves and Carrick).

[supertom]

I doubt we will see that a midfield with such balance, talent, determination, skill as that ManUre team of late 97-03.

The whole package.

When the hero worshipped England Captain (Beckham) is the 4th best player in a midfield then you have something special.

Keane was so good Ferguson bought 2 players to replace him (Hargreaves and Carrick).

Ferguson bought a lot more players in an attempt to bring in a replacement for the aging Keane. I recall Djemba and his lesser known brother Djemba were supposed to be the new Roy Keane too. Kleberson as well, and probably a few other forgotten men.

And to this day they've still not replaced that presence. Nor Scholes.
Ditto Viera at Arsenal. Has never been adequately replaced.

[Morpheus]

For me Keane is simply too much of a risk at the moment. When the going got tough at Sunderland he hooked it after spending upwards of 80m leaving Sunderland in the bottom three. According to media reports the Sunderland players then celebrated when Keane left.

He then went to Ipswich presiding over 19th in the Championship after 20 months at the helm before being sacked.

We desperately need cool heads and a sense of stability at the moment when almost certainly facing another relegation battle next season without a new owner and Keane's attitude of not suffering fools gladly will not argue well with a squad of players bereft of any real quality apart from Benteke who won't be fit for the start of next season anyway.

We've already seen how our squad reacted to ruling by fear from the previous two coaches.

Moreover I'm also concerned how Keane would react to criticism from the Villa faithful on match day if you remember his comments concerning the Sunderland fans around the dugout.

Consequently I am as worried about this probable appointment as I was with Lambert's with the only positive being that Keane might attract one or two better players on loan who otherwise wouldn't come to us in the present circumstances.

[Toronto Villa]

The reality of the situation is that we've no idea how Keane shapes up as a coach.

Given that he has worked under Clough and Ferguson as his managers and coaches like Kidd, McLaren, Phelan and Quieroz, I'd say he's got a pretty good idea about how to do the job. He's clearly fairly intelligent and knows the game well.

Just because he was aggressive on the pitch, doesn't mean he'd be a nutcase off it.

I'd also doubt that MON would tolerate an idiot in his midst, and certainly not someone that would cock it up for him either.

Agree with that and made the same point earlier. We cannot base our knowledge of him as an assistant purely on what we know of him as a player or manager.

[john e]

Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.

Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will

[Clampy]

Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.

Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will

So much so, he had to bring Scholes back out of retirement.

[pauliewalnuts]

Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.

Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will

Scholes is easily one of my favourite players of the PL era.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.

Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will

Scholes is easily one of my favourite players of the PL era.

Dirty bastard used to get away with murder though

[adrenachrome]

For me Keane is simply too much of a risk at the moment. When the going got tough at Sunderland he hooked it after spending upwards of 80m leaving Sunderland in the bottom three. According to media reports the Sunderland players then celebrated when Keane left.

He then went to Ipswich presiding over 19th in the Championship after 20 months at the helm before being sacked.

We desperately need cool heads and a sense of stability at the moment when almost certainly facing another relegation battle next season without a new owner and Keane's attitude of not suffering fools gladly will not argue well with a squad of players bereft of any real quality apart from Benteke who won't be fit for the start of next season anyway.

We've already seen how our squad reacted to ruling by fear from the previous two coaches.

Moreover I'm also concerned how Keane would react to criticism from the Villa faithful on match day if you remember his comments concerning the Sunderland fans around the dugout.

Consequently I am as worried about this probable appointment as I was with Lambert's with the only positive being that Keane might attract one or two better players on loan who otherwise wouldn't come to us in the present circumstances.

Well argued.

I think though, that TSM was our attempt at the cool heads and steadying hands strategy and we have moved way past that point and progressed through a series of experiments to LernerLamboLimboLand.

Once the LamboKeeno experiment (colour code Crimson; operation Frankenstein) is underway all bets are off. We have had 4 transitional seasons but this will be maximum transitional overdrive. 

 

[Rancid custard]

It's so madcap it might actually work, I think it's a bit strange that he'd choose Villa though. That said, it's a safe bet for him because we're not in the healthiest of places. I watched the Keane vs. Viera thing on TV a few months back and I actually agreed with a lot of what he said, which I never thought I'd do because I've always hated him. He has a very divisive personality so it could end up pissing off the team, could go either way.

[robbo1874]

Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic

The reality of the situation is that we've no idea how Keane shapes up as a coach.

Given that he has worked under Clough and Ferguson as his managers and coaches like Kidd, McLaren, Phelan and Quieroz, I'd say he's got a pretty good idea about how to do the job. He's clearly fairly intelligent and knows the game well.

Just because he was aggressive on the pitch, doesn't mean he'd be a nutcase off it.

I'd also doubt that MON would tolerate an idiot in his midst, and certainly not someone that would cock it up for him either.

Agree with that and made the same point earlier. We cannot base our knowledge of him as an assistant purely on what we know of him as a player or manager.

maybe oneill is trying to ditch him quietly? Celtic job comes up... I won't stand in his way. Rumours of villa no.2 job.... Have a go Roy, you know it makes sense.. Big club etc, etc.

[brontebilly]

I doubt we will see that a midfield with such balance, talent, determination, skill as that ManUre team of late 97-03.

The whole package.

When the hero worshipped England Captain (Beckham) is the 4th best player in a midfield then you have something special.

Keane was so good Ferguson bought 2 players to replace him (Hargreaves and Carrick).

Ferguson bought a lot more players in an attempt to bring in a replacement for the aging Keane. I recall Djemba and his lesser known brother Djemba were supposed to be the new Roy Keane too. Kleberson as well, and probably a few other forgotten men.

And to this day they've still not replaced that presence. Nor Scholes.
Ditto Viera at Arsenal. Has never been adequately replaced.

Juan Veron was bought to ultimately replace Keane too. Veron has played the deep lying playmaker role to perfection at Lazio but was unable to get in ahead of the Corkman or complement him. Huge flop.

Paul "the guvnor" Ince was also sent packing after Keane settled at Old Trafford.

Great a player though he was, he isnt intelligent enough to be a coach, manager or even a proper pundit.

exhibit a -

falls for a blatant wind up re the ringing phone, slates Shay Given, slates his now employer (FAI and John Delaney particularly), slags off ex pros in the media earning a few quid for their opinion. The same man who ran around Temple Hall dressed as a Walkers Leprechaun before the 2002 WC for a few quid is a blatant hypocrite of the highest order. Looks like MON is getting sick of Keano overshadowing the whole Irish set up at the moment, it will be the same for Lambert at Villa Park.

[Ian.]

I never saw this coming I must admit. I dont know why it's looked as an odd move or why it's looked on as a negative? He was a fantastic midfielder, a winner and has played with and for some brilliant coaches. He's dabbled in management and has never really left the game.

To be honest I think it's a fantastic move for us. I still really like Lambert and generally think he can be a good manager for someone somewhere. Here though everything from the Bomb squad scenario, buying too many budget signings, his coaching staff cockup made it all too much for him. If Keane can help and another good coach comes in and breath life into the squad Lambert could still come good for us.