So who do you want as the next Villa manager?

[JUAN PABLO]

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how depressing

[Clampy]

appalling football that was played
poor tactically
immobile strikers
which brings us back to the point that if he hasnt got the players because he hasnt got the money to spend. so when we playing appalling football he looks at he bench and which top quality player does he bring on to change it ??
poor tactically who does he again bring on to change it ???and as for bradford i was as pissed off as anyone but then again those sort of giant killing acts never happen do they.

You forget we also lost to Millwall and Sheff Utd at home when we had a near full strength team out and at the time they were about 5th from bottom of their league.

From Chelsea onwards, we were appalling and he didn't have any answer for it. Looking back, its a good job Norwich had the run in they did.

Premiership teams lose to lower league opposition all the time in the cups. We're shit with a young underfunded team, and we don't have an automatic right to win any game just because we're Aston Villa.

Let's take the Chelsea game. We were great that day and he got his tactics spot on. That should have given us the confidence to go on and have a comfortable-ish season. Instead we lost 8 out of the last 10 games including losing 4-1 against two average Swansea and Stoke teams and losing to a very very poor Fulham side.

[olaftab]

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how depressing

We go again.

[ez]

Who would take it when the club is openly for sale?

We will find out this time next year if we're still up for sale.

[Rolta]

appalling football that was played
poor tactically
immobile strikers
which brings us back to the point that if he hasnt got the players because he hasnt got the money to spend. so when we playing appalling football he looks at he bench and which top quality player does he bring on to change it ??
poor tactically who does he again bring on to change it ???and as for bradford i was as pissed off as anyone but then again those sort of giant killing acts never happen do they.

You forget we also lost to Millwall and Sheff Utd at home when we had a near full strength team out and at the time they were about 5th from bottom of their league.

From Chelsea onwards, we were appalling and he didn't have any answer for it. Looking back, its a good job Norwich had the run in they did.

Premiership teams lose to lower league opposition all the time in the cups. We're shit with a young underfunded team, and we don't have an automatic right to win any game just because we're Aston Villa.

Let's take the Chelsea game. We were great that day and he got his tactics spot on. That should have given us the confidence to go on and have a comfortable-ish season. Instead we lost 8 out of the last 10 games including losing 4-1 against two average Swansea and Stoke teams and losing to a very very poor Fulham side.

Have you ever watched football – I mean, over the course of a season – because teams go on bad runs all the time.

We had Benteke against Man U and Stoke, but he was injured after that. He might have made a bit of a difference. Go have a look at the team we put out in those games and compare the money spent on the teams we were playing, even the shit ones. Again, we have no right to win just because we're "Aston Villa". We are underfinanced beyond sane levels. Basically, for the money spent we were about in the position you'd expect us to be in.

[adrenachrome]

ive said it before and i will say it again guys no malice or sarcasm inteneded.
sooner or later lambert will come out after rl has departed and tell us what sort of constraints he was working under, until he has been given proper funding to buy players then he can be judged.
against hull at half time there was 3-4 guys slagging him big style i butted in and said that he has been given the equivalent task of restoring a old classic car but instead of employing the best mechanics and buying the quality parts needed he has only been able to rummage around old scrap yards.
every single one of them looked at me and said "yea your right mate".

Is it a good enough excuse to be losing 22 games in one season though?

or the behaviour of his staff
or the appalling football that was played
or how poor tactically he is
or how useless he is at substitutions
or signing multiple immobile strikers
or losing to bradford over 2 legs
or that he knew the conditions of his tenure before he left Norwich for us
or the worst league finishing result at the club since 1986/97

If we can ignore all that to give Lambert another go fair enough

A salutary storey
A fable of our times
A man thought he could deliver
Under harsh contraints
He had every confidence
Young and hungry!
Young and hungry!

A bargain basement hunter
He knew no fear
He plumbed the depths
He had  every faith
These boys could get it done
Downsize!
Downsize!
Downsize!

And despite austerity
An extraordinary propensity
Peculiar purchase policy
Full backs who could not defend
And Multiple immobile strikers!
Multiple immobile strikers!
Multiple immobile strikers!

[Clampy]

appalling football that was played
poor tactically
immobile strikers
which brings us back to the point that if he hasnt got the players because he hasnt got the money to spend. so when we playing appalling football he looks at he bench and which top quality player does he bring on to change it ??
poor tactically who does he again bring on to change it ???and as for bradford i was as pissed off as anyone but then again those sort of giant killing acts never happen do they.

You forget we also lost to Millwall and Sheff Utd at home when we had a near full strength team out and at the time they were about 5th from bottom of their league.

From Chelsea onwards, we were appalling and he didn't have any answer for it. Looking back, its a good job Norwich had the run in they did.

Premiership teams lose to lower league opposition all the time in the cups. We're shit with a young underfunded team, and we don't have an automatic right to win any game just because we're Aston Villa.

Let's take the Chelsea game. We were great that day and he got his tactics spot on. That should have given us the confidence to go on and have a comfortable-ish season. Instead we lost 8 out of the last 10 games including losing 4-1 against two average Swansea and Stoke teams and losing to a very very poor Fulham side.

Have you ever watched football – I mean, over the course of a season – because teams go on bad runs all the time.

A bit patronising but to answer your question, yes. I didn't miss a home league game and went to 13 away games so I know how bloody bad we were at times and believe me, we were awful.

I'm not saying we should have been chasing a European spot because we wasn't ready for that but we should have finished a lot more comfortable than we did.

[Des Little]

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how depressing

We go again.

We go down.

[Steve kirk]

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how depressing

I also think we should close this down for a while, at the moment there is nothing to discuss but ITK bollocks from TBAR which is leading to H@V friends falling out on here, just saying.

[Steve67]

I will say it again. 43 million pounds in two years is not underfunded. It is a mix of selecting poor players, poor coaching and not being able to get the best of out those players he did sign as to the reasons we have struggled. There is no excuse for buying Tonev, Helenius, Luna etc. The club now needs to clear out some of the shit that Lambert has bought.

[Rolta]

appalling football that was played
poor tactically
immobile strikers
which brings us back to the point that if he hasnt got the players because he hasnt got the money to spend. so when we playing appalling football he looks at he bench and which top quality player does he bring on to change it ??
poor tactically who does he again bring on to change it ???and as for bradford i was as pissed off as anyone but then again those sort of giant killing acts never happen do they.

You forget we also lost to Millwall and Sheff Utd at home when we had a near full strength team out and at the time they were about 5th from bottom of their league.

From Chelsea onwards, we were appalling and he didn't have any answer for it. Looking back, its a good job Norwich had the run in they did.

Premiership teams lose to lower league opposition all the time in the cups. We're shit with a young underfunded team, and we don't have an automatic right to win any game just because we're Aston Villa.

Let's take the Chelsea game. We were great that day and he got his tactics spot on. That should have given us the confidence to go on and have a comfortable-ish season. Instead we lost 8 out of the last 10 games including losing 4-1 against two average Swansea and Stoke teams and losing to a very very poor Fulham side.

Have you ever watched football – I mean, over the course of a season – because teams go on bad runs all the time.

A bit patronising but to answer your question, yes. I didn't miss a home league game and went to 13 away games so I know how bloody bad we were at times and believe me, we were awful.

I'm not saying we should have been chasing a European spot because we wasn't ready for that but we should have finished a lot more comfortable than we did.

It's not patronising if I was being rude, which is more where I was going with it.

I just don't get it sometimes – people seem to let things get to them (I'm just being general here) that you see happening all the time. Especially in football – we had it in us to go on a shit run. It was such a shit run, but it's such a fine line sometimes. We were on course to have had a much stronger season this year, but it didn't happen. We've also had worse injuries this year if you consider the impact Benteke and N'Zogbia (he did score at least one important goal) made to the run in last season. Benteke almost did it on his own.

Lambert's summer spend went to a good degree on Kozak and Okore, and both of them have been injured for extended periods. If you take those two out of "Lambert's spend" we're already down to £29 million on 17 players, which is rediculous. Which is the amount of money, to my admittedly rough estimate, Lambert has saved on wages.

[Rolta]

I will say it again. 43 million pounds in two years is not underfunded. It is a mix of selecting poor players, poor coaching and not being able to get the best of out those players he did sign as to the reasons we have struggled. There is no excuse for buying Tonev, Helenius, Luna etc. The club now needs to clear out some of the shit that Lambert has bought.

I hugely disagree, and I think most people, even if they're not behind Lambert, must surely at least realise that he has been working under massive financial limitations. You say £43million isn't a lot, but go and see what the other teams have spent. Also, you have to factor in the reduction of wages, because if you're cutting the wagebill by £30 odd million, that isn't an insignificant figure which has nothing to do with the quality of the squad.

He could have spent £40 million on 4 players, but we'd have the rest of the team filled with sub-Lichaj academy players – and that's if we'd manage to put out enough players to even fill the subs bench.

You know as well as me that Lerner has been on a cost cutting mission since Houllier, so Lambert clear as day has had financial limitations.

There are plenty of excuses for buying Helenius, Tonev and Luna. If you want an example go look at the Crystal Palance transfers over the last few seasons, and they bought about 40 players in the same period we bought near 20. They look much more solid than us, but they have certainly gone through a fair number of rejects in the process.

The thing is with these cheap signings is they're clearly not going to be as difficult to shift as Hutton etc, because they're not going to be on 50k a week wages. Anyway, this is what happens when you buy cheap – plenty of the buys don't work out.

[Clampy]

Benteke was a huge loss. I didn't think it would be at the time but as the season went on we missed him.

I didn't have too much of a problem with the players he brought in. His tactics (or lack of them) however are his big downfall. His answer in a lot of games is to throw another striker on. There was no running off the ball either. It's incredibly frustrating to watch.

I like the bloke and I wanted him to succeed but losing 22 games in one season is some going.

[JUAN PABLO]

appalling football that was played
poor tactically
immobile strikers
which brings us back to the point that if he hasnt got the players because he hasnt got the money to spend. so when we playing appalling football he looks at he bench and which top quality player does he bring on to change it ??
poor tactically who does he again bring on to change it ???and as for bradford i was as pissed off as anyone but then again those sort of giant killing acts never happen do they.

You forget we also lost to Millwall and Sheff Utd at home when we had a near full strength team out and at the time they were about 5th from bottom of their league.

From Chelsea onwards, we were appalling and he didn't have any answer for it. Looking back, its a good job Norwich had the run in they did.

Premiership teams lose to lower league opposition all the time in the cups. We're shit with a young underfunded team, and we don't have an automatic right to win any game just because we're Aston Villa.

Let's take the Chelsea game. We were great that day and he got his tactics spot on. That should have given us the confidence to go on and have a comfortable-ish season. Instead we lost 8 out of the last 10 games including losing 4-1 against two average Swansea and Stoke teams and losing to a very very poor Fulham side.

Have you ever watched football – I mean, over the course of a season – because teams go on bad runs all the time.

We had Benteke against Man U and Stoke, but he was injured after that. He might have made a bit of a difference. Go have a look at the team we put out in those games and compare the money spent on the teams we were playing, even the shit ones. Again, we have no right to win just because we're "Aston Villa". We are underfinanced beyond sane levels. Basically, for the money spent we were about in the position you'd expect us to be in.

Im sorry but we played like a team who had cost £15 , we are absolutely awful

[pauliewalnuts]

Benteke was a huge loss. I didn't think it would be at the time but as the season went on we missed him.

I didn't have too much of a problem with the players he brought in. His tactics (or lack of them) however are his big downfall. His answer in a lot of games is to throw another striker on. There was no running off the ball either. It's incredibly frustrating to watch.

I like the bloke and I wanted him to succeed but losing 22 games in one season is some going.

I like Lambert, or at least I like the theory of what Lambert could be, what he hinted at in the first season.

But then I look at some of his "tactics" and I get this horrible, growing feeling that he doesn't know what he's doing. Then I see stuff like the utter mess at BMH with C and K, an I wonder whether it's all a bit too much of a big job for him.

There's no getting away with it, losing 22 games is beyond abysmal. As is losing more home games than anyone else has managed in the history of the club. Or only losing one less last season.

I could overlook all that, though, if I thought there was enough promise in him from elsewhere. I just can't see it, though.

We're now in a situation where keeping Lambert on is the only thing we can really do. I wonder, what collection of switched-on, brilliant management from the people at the top brought about that situation?

What a mess.