Culverhouse and Karsa suspended (Now both sacked: Reply #876)

[Boz]

Over one month later and in true Aston Villa style... absolutely nothing said!

Are we supposed to just forget that it ever happened?

Still picking up their salaries though I bet

[Ron Manager]

Anybody know who is in charge of HR at Villa Park?  I have worked in HR and can assure you that matters like this are dealt with as soon as all the evidence has been throughly scrutinised. It's about time the clubs PR boys/girls issued a statement regarding their future.

Or will it all be hushed up as the resulting publicity may be harmful to the club?

[pauliewalnuts]

Anybody know who is in charge of HR at Villa Park?  I have worked in HR and can assure you that matters like this are dealt with as soon as all the evidence has been throughly scrutinised. It's about time the clubs PR boys/girls issued a statement regarding their future.

Or will it all be hushed up as the resulting publicity may be harmful to the club?

I don't think you can really apply the standard rules of HR to football. It's a fantasy world where the inexplicable is invariably going on.

[kippaxvilla2]

Anybody know who is in charge of HR at Villa Park?  I have worked in HR and can assure you that matters like this are dealt with as soon as all the evidence has been throughly scrutinised. It's about time the clubs PR boys/girls issued a statement regarding their future.

Or will it all be hushed up as the resulting publicity may be harmful to the club?

I don't think you can really apply the standard rules of HR to football. It's a fantasy world where the inexplicable is invariably going on.

See comments from P Scudamore as a perfect example.

[Malandro]

I suspect whoever has been wronged has been offered what would have been handed out at a employment tribunal (and some) to keep stum.
Like a poster above said, it will be swept under carpet for the good of the club (or the sale)

[rob_bridge]

I suspect whoever has been wronged has been offered what would have been handed out at a employment tribunal (and some) to keep stum.
Like a poster above said, it will be swept under carpet for the good of the club (or the sale)

Yes a very American way of doing things. I know first hand from managing within American owned companies.

[silhillvilla]

Suspensions and investigations etc can take months and are sworn to secrecy much of the time

[Malandro]

I suspect whoever has been wronged has been offered what would have been handed out at a employment tribunal (and some) to keep stum.
Like a poster above said, it will be swept under carpet for the good of the club (or the sale)

Yes a very American way of doing things. I know first hand from managing within American owned companies.

I'd like to know the amount of money that has been spent paying off civil servants in the UK over the last 20 years.

Got a difficult employee??? Pay the fucker off so they are someone elses problem!

[kippaxvilla2]

Karsa has been dismissed.  Culverhouse is expected to follow.  ITK

[Malandro]

Karsa has been dismissed.  Culverhouse is expected to follow.  ITK

can't beat a bit of bully

[PaulWinch again]

That'd be a bit of good news.

[Somniloquism]

Will we be able to replace them though? For all our love of Sid, he has been a first team coach under Houlier and McLeish and now for four matches under Lambert and we certainly haven't seen any massive leaps in first team performances during this time. I realise this coincides with poor managers and poor directors but can we take the chance on someone who has so little coaching experience at first team. And Given is even greener at this coaching level.

Edit (Not saying I don't want Karsa and Culverhouse to go, just that I would prefer more experience in those roles if Lambert stays as they do all the day to day work under him.)

[eamonn]

Could always get Gary Macca in. He's got the best win percentage of any Villa manager since Noah was a lad.

[rob_bridge]

Could always get Gary Macca in. He's got the best win percentage of any Villa manager since Noah was a lad.

That would soon change.

Raising any of Clough, Stein, Ramsey and Shankley from the grave and giving them the job would help tarnish their record.

[Villa in Denmark]

Will we be able to replace them though? For all our love of Sid, he has been a first team coach under Houlier and McLeish and now for four matches under Lambert and we certainly haven't seen any massive leaps in first team performances during this time. I realise this coincides with poor managers and poor directors but can we take the chance on someone who has so little coaching experience at first team. And Given is even greener at this coaching level.

As a counter argument, working backwards, you could argue that for Sid :-

Working with Lambert - too small a sample to draw any conclusions.

Working for McLeish - well they knew what they were doing and could execute the game plan.
Not his fault the tactics were so negative.

Working for Houllier - a manager who definitely wanted the teamb to play a more progressive style, and there was evidence of that starting to come through as the season progressed.

His work with the youth set up and their results suggests that he can impart his knowledge, develop a players skill set and drill a team to execute a game plan which to me is the coaches role.
I'd also add that he's got more chance of succeeding with this squad, than one contained the sulking, whining tendencies, that were epitomised by Collins and Dunne under Houllier.

I agree that it's still a bit of a chance to take, moreso in the current environment, but not necessarily so bleak as it could seem.