Culverhouse and Karsa suspended (Now both sacked: Reply #876)

[damon loves JT]

It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.

[kippaxvilla2]

No need for veiled insults Bobby.

Do I recall correctly BFR chasing Dalian into the shower and physically assaulting him one time (maybe an urban myth) - he had discipline.  As regards Paul Mortimer, I believe he turfed him out over some disciplinary matter or other.

I would rather look upon BFR's time here with fondness rather than admittedly a poor ending.  At least we had good times, decent football, unlike the complete dross that has been served up under this regime, the one before it and the one before that.

[brontebilly]

It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.

..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.

Worked well for Fergie but his influence was a negative in bringing in Moyes. Im sick of our managers bringing in an entourage of absolute muppets with them - Culverhouse, Karsa, Grant, Walford, Aitken and then all leaving as a group. We should be training up our own coaches and promoting from within where possible.

[rob_bridge]

No need for veiled insults Bobby.

Do I recall correctly BFR chasing Dalian into the shower and physically assaulting him one time (maybe an urban myth) - he had discipline.  As regards Paul Mortimer, I believe he turfed him out over some disciplinary matter or other.

I would rather look upon BFR's time here with fondness rather than admittedly a poor ending.  At least we had good times, decent football, unlike the complete dross that has been served up under this regime, the one before it and the one before that.

Agree- the football was fantastic.

However wasn't it Ron who suggested 2 Villa players 'failed' drugs tests during his reign. Not exaclty disciplined. Like him flying out to commentate on Manure's hammering in Nou Camp the day after we embarrasingly  lost to Trabzaonspor.

[supertom]

No need for veiled insults Bobby.

Do I recall correctly BFR chasing Dalian into the shower and physically assaulting him one time (maybe an urban myth) - he had discipline.  As regards Paul Mortimer, I believe he turfed him out over some disciplinary matter or other.

I would rather look upon BFR's time here with fondness rather than admittedly a poor ending.  At least we had good times, decent football, unlike the complete dross that has been served up under this regime, the one before it and the one before that.

Agree- the football was fantastic.

However wasn't it Ron who suggested 2 Villa players 'failed' drugs tests during his reign. Not exaclty disciplined. Like him flying out to commentate on Manure's hammering in Nou Camp the day after we embarrasingly  lost to Trabzaonspor.

Wasn't Big Ron known for handing out cigars to his players after certain big matches (or perhaps I'm thinking just of the 94 cup final)? Maybe that sort of thing was just more common back then.

[kippaxvilla2]

His discipline was so terrible that he remains to this day (along with another known disciplinarian Mr Keegan) the English Manager who came closest to winning the Premier League.

[Monty]

It doesn't mean he couldn't ever be good, it just meant that his success was necessarily unsustainable.

[dave.woodhall]

He gave us some great times and we could do with some of that ebullience now, but by all accounts towards the end he didn't so much manage the club as hold court.

[Sexual Ealing]

It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.

..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.

It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!

[kippaxvilla2]

We must also remember we are talking about very different eras here.  Even at the start of the Premier League. Today clubs with all the money that is floating around are expected to be a darn sight more professional than ever.  We aren't or at least we don't come across as it anyway these days.

[damon loves JT]

It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.

..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.

It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!

And I did qualify my remark with 'in the early days'.

The passage of time is important. One of my favourite villa experiences was BFR's first game at Hillsborough. One off least favourite was losing to Wimbledon. Clough won the European Cup twice and also featured in a Viz cartoon, having fallen asleep, pissed, in a field. The glory and the farce are part of the same story.

[Bad English]

Damon, you have made me realise I have quite a bit in common with Cloughie.

I just need to win the CL twice and get into Viz and I'll practically be his twin.

[Damo70]

It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.

..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.

It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!

The Forest relegation came out of nowhere and caught everyone at the club by surprise. In the previous four seasons they had finished in good league positions and reached a cup final each year, winning two of them.

[Witton Warrior]

It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.

..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.

It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!

The Forest relegation came out of nowhere and caught everyone at the club by surprise. In the previous four seasons they had finished in good league positions and reached a cup final each year, winning two of them.

Weren't they the original "too good to go down" club?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I see from Football Focus the official line now is the decision was Lambert's and his alone.