Culverhouse and Karsa suspended (Now both sacked: Reply #876)

[silhillvilla]

Ivor Linton

[Goldie.7]

Apologies for crap use of quote.

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[russon]

The rest of them are truly dreadful. I'd happily have them led out of their studios and shot one after the other.

reminds me of that Alan Partridge rant when he said something like " I loathe them, I wish they were all in a car that fell of a cliff, I'd happily be the driver".

[villa `cross the mersey]

In the hole?

and Stark naked

[villa `cross the mersey]

Apparently Koo is partial to a Cadbury`s chocolate finger ...............sorry I thought this was the biscuit thread 

[pauliewalnuts]

I thought this was interesting, from the Daily Heil.

Re the bits in bold - surely Lambert can't be that detached from training he didn't know that was what they were doing? I struggle to see how the manager can be so hugely distanced from training methods.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2605951/Culverhouse-Karsa-bullying-claims-investigated-Villa-suspensions.html

Aston Villa’s internal investigation into suspended coaches Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa will be centred on allegations of bullying.
Their behaviour at the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground is believed to have led to complaints being made by staff.
Culverhouse often takes over training from manager Paul Lambert and several players have grievances about his ‘aggressive’ methods.

Fabian Delph is understood to have been upset during a session in the week before the Fulham defeat, although his absence for that 2-1 loss was down to an achilles injury.
Reports also suggest Gabriel Agbonlahor has been left disappointed but his omission from the Fulham team was explained by illness.
Both returned to the starting line-up for the 1-0 defeat at Selhurst Park.
Despite the club’s official statement indicating they have only been suspended, it is understood assistant manager Culverhouse and head of footballing operations Karsa have no future at the club. They each have a year remaining on deals but if found guilty of serious misconduct could be sacked without a pay-off.
The atmosphere at Villa’s training ground has been described as ‘poisonous’ and Culverhouse is said to have fallen out with other members of the backroom team and senior players. He also exchanged angry words with fans after the Boxing Day defeat by Palace at Villa Park.

Karsa is said to have had a turbulent relationship with members of staff at Villa, too and the pair were suspended by chief executive Paul Faulkner after Lambert decided the make-up of his coaching team was no longer fit for purpose.
Training this week has been described as having ‘the best atmosphere in ages’ in the duo’s absence.

Previously, some players were said to be confused by an insistence on long-ball tactics during sessions, while the schedule has been regularly fairly light. The first team were given both Sunday and Monday off after defeats by Fulham and Crystal Palace.

A full staff meeting planned for Thursday should allow for complaints to be aired publicly.
Lambert took the astonishing step of ending his six-year association with trusted aide Culverhouse on Tuesday after a complete breakdown in the pair’s relationship.

Sportsmail understands the move by Lambert came after a heated exchange in the dressing room following Saturday’s defeat at Palace.
Lambert’s working relationship with Culverhouse is said to have deteriorated so much that the pair have hardly spoken in recent weeks, causing disruption to Villa’s preparation for games.
Many Villa fans have been vocal in their desire to see the manager gone too, with chants of ‘We want Lambert out’ aired loudly during the loss at Selhurst Park on Saturday. But the Scot’s position is understood to be secure and he retains the backing of owner Randy Lerner.
However talks on a new three-year contract have been put on hold until the end of the season. His current deal expires at the end of next season.
Lambert and Culverhouse first joined forces at Colchester in 2008, before leaving for Norwich City in 2009 and steering the Canaries into the top flight. Their success persuaded Villa owner Lerner to appoint them after sacking Alex McLeish in 2012.

Villa have promoted former player and crowd favourite Gordon Cowans, 55, and goalkeeper Shay Given, 37, to assist Lambert while the club carry out their investigation.
It is quite some turnaround for Given, who has been left out of matchday squads and admitted in February that ‘Aston Villa want me out of the door.’ The Republic of Ireland keeper has been taking his coaching badges and is respected by players.
The club hope the change in key staff will raise morale and ensure a positive result from the important match against Southampton at Villa Park on Saturday.
Lambert said: ‘I’m delighted to have Gordon and Shay to assist me in preparing the team for Saturday (against Southampton), which is what the whole group is focused on.’

The breakdown in relations between Lambert and Culverhouse has coincided with a dreadful run for the club that has seen them slip closer to the relegation zone.
Villa have picked up just seven points from a possible 30 and are currently on a run of four defeats.
European Cup winner Cowans said: ‘The manager has asked me to step up to assist him at this time and I’ll do my utmost for the club and the manager in helping prepare the team for Saturday’s game.’
Given added: ‘As players, it’s important that each and every one of us take responsibility right now and I’m delighted to play my part in helping the manager and the team go and try to win on Saturday.’

[Monty]

He doesn't come out of that particularly well if true, have to say. Either he sanctions the long-ball training, in which case there's no hope for him, or he didn't know it was going on, in which case what on earth are we paying him for? If the latter, hopefully he'll have learnt his lesson, and there may be some chance of him succeeding yet.

[silhillvilla]

Cough > MON > Lambert
Don't they all follow the same model of leaving training to others, see you Saturday type scenario??

[Big Dick Edwards]

It does make you wonder exactly what Lambert does do to earn his money if Culverhouse was taking training. He can't be employed purely for his eloquent articulation at pre and post-match press conferences.

[Toronto Villa]

I can just imagine on match day Lambert watching another ball belted down the middle at Benteke looking down at his notes and thinking, "I didn't tell Culverhouse that was the tactic for the week".

[Pat McMahon]

We might need Tony Stark, a real iron man on the coaching staff...

The way we are playing at the moment I would settle for Koo Stark.

Where would you play her Paul? (supposing you have the 1982 version rather than how she is today)

Aftab, if we were talking the 1982 version I would have her woman marking the opponents danger man and distract them somewhat.

[mike]

He doesn't come out of that particularly well if true, have to say. Either he sanctions the long-ball training, in which case there's no hope for him, or he didn't know it was going on, in which case what on earth are we paying him for? If the latter, hopefully he'll have learnt his lesson, and there may be some chance of him succeeding yet.

I'm a second line manager. If my first line managers fuck up, that's not my fault. If they keep fucking up and I don't sort them out, then it is my fault. That's my view on Lambert. The poor performance has gone on for so long, albeit the stone rolling down fuck up mountain has gained momentum recently, that Lambert (and Lerner) has to take responsibility for it. Apologies for the language, I'm just disgusted with what has happened at my club.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I can just imagine on match day Lambert watching another ball belted down the middle at Benteke looking down at his notes and thinking, "I didn't tell Culverhouse that was the tactic for the week".

One game of hoof football you could forgive but nine months takes the bisuit. Hopefully on Saturday everybody will Club together, team, coaching staff and fans with everybody leaving Villa Park with a Happy Face.

[kippaxvilla2]

O'Neill was hardly ever on the training ground.  A lot of managers aren't these days.  There's a theory that familiarity breeds contempt so they keep their distance to have maximum impact on match day.  That's the theory anyway.

[JUAN PABLO]

Cough > MON > Lambert
Don't they all follow the same model of leaving training to others, see you Saturday type scenario??

MON did at least did use wingers