Culverhouse and Karsa suspended (Now both sacked: Reply #876)

[bertlambshank]

Luke Moore Street

I just Googled him and got a picture of Luke Moore.He was standing up.

Was he in a street?

Luke Moore Street

I just Googled him and got a picture of Luke Moore.He was standing up.

Was he in a street?

Nah,too lazy to go outside.

[adrenachrome]

Brum Mail

Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa suspended after breakdown in relationships with players

Mail Sport understands several Villa first team players unhappy with coaching methods used by Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa

Apr 15, 2014 22:30 By Brian Dick

Aston Villa suspended two members of their coaching set-up after relationships with players in Paul Lambert’s first team squad became fractured.

Assistant manager Ian Culverhouse and head of footballing operations Gary Karsa are both facing internal investigations following Tuesday’s announcement.

Villa legend Gordon Cowans and veteran goalkeeper Shay Given have stepped up to help manager Paul Lambert negotiate the final five games of the season, starting with Saturday’s Premier League match with Southampton.

Villa are refusing to give any reasons for the action taken against two of Lambert’s closest lieutenants, preferring to retreat behind the screen of human resource-speak.

However, Mail Sport understands several of Lambert’s players were unhappy with the coaches’ methods, a fact that was increasingly impacting on performances.

But it seems conspiracy theories surrounding the absence of Gabby Agbonlahor and Fabian Delph from Villa's defeat against Fulham are wide of the mark.

It is claimed Agbonlahor had a virus, while influential midfielder Delph was struggling with an Achilles injury.

Ironically the news about Culverhouse and Karsa, who were with Lambert at Wycombe and Norwich, came just 24 hours after chief executive Paul Faulkner called for a show of unity.

His plea to supporters, players and coaches will have rung hollow when a statement was made on Tuesday morning, although perhaps not to the Villa players who are understood to have trained better than for many months

Cowans’s appointment will please some supporters who will remember him from his playing days when as a cultured midfielder he was part of the side that won the First Division championship and European Cup.

Cowans has remained a part of the club’s fabric ever since hanging up his boots in the late 90s, both at youth and first team level, and his understanding of what it takes and means to be a Villa player can only help reconnect Lambert’s players with their disillusioned fans.

Cowans said: “The manager has asked me to step up to assist him at this time and I’ll do my utmost for the Club and the manager in helping prepare the team for Saturday’s game against Southampton.”

For Given the appointment represents a startling change in fortunes.

The former Republic of Ireland international has not played for the club since January 2013 and had even been farmed out on loan to Championship outfit Middlesbrough earlier this season.

In fact Given had relished the oxygen of first team football so much in February he described himself as ‘gutted’ when he had to leave The Riverside.

The 37-year-old has returned to Bodymoor Heath and has sat behind untested Cambridge recruit Jed Steer as Brad Guzan’s back up until called upon on Tuesday.

“As players, it’s important that each and every one of us take responsibility right now,” Given said.

“I’m delighted to play my part in helping the manager and the team go and try to win on Saturday.”

As for Lambert’s position, rather than being undermined by the removal of Culverhouse and Karsa, it seems a more harmonious camp could actually help the manager whose own position has come under fire after recent results.

[bertlambshank]

So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.

[aj2k77]

If Lerner still has any intention of us regaining any standing in the game we need a clear out, top to bottom.

[Villa in Denmark]

So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.

Sorry Bert, covering what up with injuries?

All they're saying is the speculated bust up with Gabby and Delph didn't happen and therefore didn't play a part in this, but that there was something else going on. 
Only a problem if they then point to such a bust up as part of the reasons for initiating disciplinary procedings.

We'll have to wait until the internal investigation is completed and what comes out of that.

Despite the line in the article about hiding behind HR speak, I don't think that they have much choice if they want any outcome to stick and avoid a half decent brief taking them to the cleaners in a tribunal, however infuriating that may be for us and the journalists

[bertlambshank]

So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.

Sorry Bert, covering what up with injuries?

All they're saying is the speculation that a bust up with Gabby and Delph didn't play a part in this, but that there was something else going on. 
Only a problem if they then point to such a bust up as part of the reasons for initiating disciplinary procedings.

You can be sure it will be brought up in any suspension meeting they have.
I guess we will never know what's been going on just like MON

[Villa in Denmark]

So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.

Sorry Bert, covering what up with injuries?

All they're saying is the speculation that a bust up with Gabby and Delph didn't play a part in this, but that there was something else going on. 
Only a problem if they then point to such a bust up as part of the reasons for initiating disciplinary procedings.

You can be sure it will be brought up in any suspension meeting they have.
I guess we will never know what's been going on just like MON

To what end will it be brought up?Unsubstantiated, and apparently incorrect Twitter rumours, that in such case are irrelevant to whatever the complaint actually is, are going to be used by Culverhouse and Karsa as a defence against whatever the actual complaint is?

Apologies for modding my original reply - accidentally pressed post whilst trying to type on the mobile.

[bertlambshank]

A certain poster on here knew about this week's before the club did.

[MelbourneVillain]

And to think that, the very first topic I ever posted on this site - 'Culverhouse v Cowans', was removed a short while back because it was pure speculation! Tut, tut mods

[lovejoy]

Stuart Euston.

[pbavfckuwait]

Surely Faulkner's meeting at BMH has some major effect on this, could it be that certain changes and even dare we say criticism's of the current coaching set up were made by Faulkner, was reacted to by IC in the same way that he has reacted to certain supporters behind the dug out, as CEO he found this maybe with other complaints to much and a direct attack on him and his position, Karsa may also have reacted in the same way as IC, thinking that PL would also react in their favor.
PL is stuck between a rock and a hard place, as he may also have witnessed what he considers to be totally unprofessional reaction and has been forced to pick and for the moment, for his own CV has allowed the changes to be made then he can negotiate and leave some time late May.

[Olneythelonely]

Perhaps he is proud that he used to have a station named after him.   Good pub quiz question that.   How many professional footballers have the same names as railway stations?

He still has a station named after him.

[Phil from the upper holte]

The mirrors take.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-suspended-ian-culverhouse-3417610

[walsall villain]

What about trying to get Kevin Macdonald back on the coaching staff. It didn't work out for him at Swindon but we did very well with us for many years. Not sure if he and Lambert would get on though?

[Le Lapin]

Ah, that's why the team has been crap for the majority of the season. They have no excuses now.........