Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Goldie.7]

I hope we get relegated. I really do.
Hear me out.
If we don't, Lambert will be manager next season, no doubt about it and I can't watch and support another season if this shite. I just can't.
If Lambert's in charge next year nothing will change. If we don't get relegated he will be in charge next year. What an effin quandary.
Our future is bleak.
Rotten from top to bottom.

Never. Championship teams would still do us but I reckon we'd improve slightly by winning ratio of 1 in 3.

[pauliewalnuts]

Our substitutions are all reactive not proactive and when the bench is somewhat limited being reactive is all too often too little too late.

I think that's an important point.

Lambert reminds me way too much of O'Neill in that sense, in that he never really seems to make tactical changes which change the way a game is going, pretty much never. It is always in reaction to something happening, and almost always he takes too long to do it.

[supertom]

Another example is that home game recently (they've all blended into one mush so can't remember which) where we were down to 10 men for yonks because we fannied about with a sub.

Holt also clearly can't last 90 minutes. In fact he looked done over in the first half. He also ended up on the ground with a touch of cramp in the second half. Can't remember what time, about 60-70 mins. He should have come off. From then on the guy looked all but gone. Putting aside arguments as to whether he should have been signed in the first place, it has to be said that Holt should have come off today. He does work hard to be fair to him, but the legs have gone and he's ridiculously slow.
Again though, this is Lamberts failure to address issues that need addressing. Once again he made questionable subs today. The choices and the timing.

[BC54 VFC]

Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.

It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.

Just our fans who were behind the stand and wouldn't have been aware the silence had started, as it was at West Ham in November, so not an issue.

[Damo70]

My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.

About seven hours after the game I have finally summoned up the strength to come on here. Damon's post seems as good a place to start. I totally share his concern. But on the other hand what have we got to lose now? I have defended Lambert but it looks like he will beat both TSM two seasons back and himself  last year in a low points contest. I have defended Lerner by pointing out that the Spurs owner for example never attends. But Joe Lewis has never attended. Lerner did and now doesn't so don't tell me he hasn't lost interest. Apparently it was due to his marriage break up and his son's schooling. Does that really stop a bloke with a private jet from popping over every month or two? We may still go down. If we don't we will go down next year. I would actually trust Lambert with the summer transfer budget to buy three decent players. But I wouldn't trust his training and tactics once he bought them. The media aren't stupid and I have heard both the BBC and SKY point out more than once today that Hughton was sacked with a better record as Norwich manager than Lambert has as Villa manager. The Beeb also pointed out every team below us have changed their manager. Newcastle fans are already chanting for Pardew's head and where are they compared to us. I think it will kick off at Villa Park next week. If we lose I don't think the fans will drift away. I think they will show their feelings.

[JUAN PABLO]

Just seen MOTD . Im still depressed .


Lambert's interview . What planet is he on . Dead man walking .

[PeterWithesShin]

For the first time this season I deliberately avoided watching MOTD.

[Clampy]

For the first time this season I deliberately avoided watching MOTD.

I watched it to see the handball Palace were claiming and the stripeyfilth blow their three goal lead.

[SteveD]

I can't imagine Lambert will be manager beyond the summer but I fear more Lerner being owner beyond that. I can't trust his ability to appoint and shudder to think the constrictions a new manager will operate under. The malaise comes from the top down and it's infected the club. I genuinely feel sorry for Lambert but he's not shown himself to be a strong decision maker in.matches, today was typical. An average player of the average hand he was dealt.

[PeterWithesShin]

Maybe I'll watch it on my phone and just watch the Bitter highlights to cheer me up a bit.

[SteveD]

I can't imagine Lambert will be manager beyond the smatches, t I fear more Lerner being owner beyond that. I can't trust his ability to appoint and shudder to think the constrictions a new manager will operate under. The malaise comes from the top down and it's infected the club. I genuinely feel sorry for Lambert but he's not shown himself to be a strong decision maker in.matches, today was typical. An average player of the average hand he was dealt.

[b23]

I can't imagine Lambert will be manager beyond the summer but I fear more Lerner being owner beyond that. I can't trust his ability to appoint and shudder to think the constrictions a new manager will operate under. The malaise comes from the top down and it's infected the club. I genuinely feel sorry for Lambert but he's not shown himself to be a strong decision maker in.matches, today was typical. An average player of the average hand he was dealt.

I agree.

Aston Villa F.C. reek, and have done for four or more years.

Lerner out. Lambert out.

[Singapore Villa]

Painfully predictable as many of us posted in the pre-match thread.  How far we have fallen that both Fulham and Palace have done the double over us but few of us are surprised.  Why oh why did he not change it early in the 2nd half?  Holt and Gabby were ineffective and it was crying out for some width/pace.  Albrighton did more in 10mins than either of them did.  What has happened to Gabby?  He looks disinterested, appears to be carrying timber and is miles off the pace - always falling over and looking at the ref for a decision that he will never get.  I actually feel for Delph and Westwood as I feel they can pick out a pass but they look up and the strikers are not making intelligent runs nor is there a wideman to hit.  Hence pass it back again.  I am numb from watching this turgid shite week in week out.  I will always love Villa and this is REALLY hard to stomach.

[monkeyboy]

I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.

On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.

I really need to get myself a daughter.

And a balcony.

Love this site - even when everything is falling in a heap, something crops u to make you laugh until you cry :-)

Timbert - the tinpot entrepreneur in me sees a fantastic opportunity here - you could charge for your daughters services to routinely go to fellow Lions supporters houses, every time Lamberts superheroes put on a show, - and for a fee, get her to lock us all out of our respective houses - i'd pay a kings ransom for that service just now, only with a slight change in the methodology - you would need to bring her around before kick off to work her magic - then we wouldn't be subjected to even 45 mins of this garbage.

UTV !!

[baddowvillans]

Haven't had chance to post before now so here are my thoughts without reading the previous.

On the train out to the ground I realised just quite how far we had fallen as Palace fans took the piss out of our once great club as they clearly looked forward to another three points. Not Chelsea, arsenal, city or United but Crystal fucking Palace!  Of course the best answer would be for Villa to give them a footballing lesson but it soon became clear that wasn't going to happen. We did keep possession fairly well first half starving them -and us - of any real chances.

At half time though for the second week running the opposition manager saw Villa were there for the taking and with one or tweaks actively urged his team forward. The pressure was building and the need to do something to stem this was evident to all 3000 travelling Villa fans. Sadly not to our illustrious manager no not even after we had survived (correctly) a penalty appeal as result of that growing tide. No changes and surprise surprise who should score against us but the player who always has done well against Villa in recent seasons.

In a stadium which has to be the biggest shithole since Portsmouth went down we were spineless and rudderless and got turned over by the mighty Crystal Palace. I have no doubt that at the moment this team is by some way the worst in the division. Every other seems determined to still fight and earn unexpected results whilst we act like a charitable organisation handing out points to the poor and needy. I just hope we can somehow find those extra 3/4 which will keep us safe and that the sale of the club which was so heavily rumoured yesterday can happen. After that we go again but hopefully without Lerner and Lambert.

Beyond fury lets just finish this and go