Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[brian green]

Spot on.   What I would give for some of that old time Villa courage.

[OzVilla]

The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.

I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.

The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.

The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.

This.

[PeterWithesShin]

Aye. Sadly we are at the stage where the few Lambert positives are now massively outweighed by the negatives.

[Richard E]

Aye. Sadly we are at the stage where the few Lambert positives are now massively outweighed by the negatives.

There are some positives??

[saunders_heroes]

The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.

I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.

The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.

The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.

Nothing to disagree with in this.

[Steve kirk]

I predicted earlier that the Palace match was the type of game we would win because when we look down and out we find a shock result, what the fuck do I know.

[pauliewalnuts]

The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.

I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.

The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.

The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.

Nothing to disagree with in this.

Tell you what, this approach, the "what you do, you buy in lower league players, you blood some kids, and you give them time, they grow as a team, and it works" idea they've bought into, as well as being pathetically out of touch and based on what they *want* to happen rather than what is likely to happen (which I think is their main problem), it is actually quite arrogant.

Do they think they're so clued up that they've hit on an amazing cunning plan which nobody has tried before? Do they think they're operating on another level, somehow?

Has it occurred to them that, if it were even remotely viable, clubs would have been doing it for years?

I honestly think there's a certain arrogance in it.

They're absolutely clueless, living on another planet. We were astounded when they appointed McLeish - these are the people who thought there was a good chance that Alex Mcleish would last for three years here, so gave him a contract reflecting that. A three year contract for Alex McLeish.

An appointment that was believed in by four people in the entire world - Lerner, Faulkner, McLeish and a poster on here.

I also think they have a massive, massive delusion, in that they think that, if they just *want* something bad enough, it will happen. That scares me to death.

[TheTimVilla]

I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.

On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.

[supertom]

I predicted earlier that the Palace match was the type of game we would win because when we look down and out we find a shock result, what the fuck do I know.

I think we've had our quota of surprise results and lucky wins this season. It's something you can't really keep up. Sooner or later you need to win the games that on paper, you should expect to win. Games like Fulham, or Palace at home.
Unfortunately on paper today Palace looked like they'd beat us and in reality they did it.
That Palace should be favourites in a game against us says everything about this season and our side under Lambert. We're becoming small time and we're rapidly morphing into a championship side. There is only one inevitable outcome as such, unless we change things in the summer.

[supertom]

I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.

On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.

I really need to get myself a daughter.

And a balcony.

[andyh]

The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.

I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.

The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.

The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.

Nothing to disagree with in this.

Tell you what, this approach, the "what you do, you buy in lower league players, you blood some kids, and you give them time, they grow as a team, and it works" idea they've bought into, as well as being pathetically out of touch and based on what they *want* to happen rather than what is likely to happen (which I think is their main problem), it is actually quite arrogant.

Do they think they're so clued up that they've hit on an amazing cunning plan which nobody has tried before? Do they think they're operating on another level, somehow?

Has it occurred to them that, if it were even remotely viable, clubs would have been doing it for years?

I honestly think there's a certain arrogance in it.

They're absolutely clueless, living on another planet. We were astounded when they appointed McLeish - these are the people who thought there was a good chance that Alex Mcleish would last for three years here, so gave him a contract reflecting that. A three year contract for Alex McLeish.

An appointment that was believed in by four people in the entire world - Lerner, Faulkner, McLeish and a poster on here.

I also think they have a massive, massive delusion, in that they think that, if they just *want* something bad enough, it will happen. That scares me to death.

I agree with pretty much all of this, but think most of it is down to naïveté as much as anything.
We are run by a recluse, and corporate 'yes man'.

The lack of a true football understanding in the upper echelons of the club has been a huge,huge failing.

[saunders_heroes]

The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.

I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.

The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.

The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.

Nothing to disagree with in this.

Tell you what, this approach, the "what you do, you buy in lower league players, you blood some kids, and you give them time, they grow as a team, and it works" idea they've bought into, as well as being pathetically out of touch and based on what they *want* to happen rather than what is likely to happen (which I think is their main problem), it is actually quite arrogant.

Do they think they're so clued up that they've hit on an amazing cunning plan which nobody has tried before? Do they think they're operating on another level, somehow?

Has it occurred to them that, if it were even remotely viable, clubs would have been doing it for years?

I honestly think there's a certain arrogance in it.

They're absolutely clueless, living on another planet. We were astounded when they appointed McLeish - these are the people who thought there was a good chance that Alex Mcleish would last for three years here, so gave him a contract reflecting that. A three year contract for Alex McLeish.

An appointment that was believed in by four people in the entire world - Lerner, Faulkner, McLeish and a poster on here.

I also think they have a massive, massive delusion, in that they think that, if they just *want* something bad enough, it will happen. That scares me to death.

Basically Lerner lost interest and decided to cutback completely across the board and try and dress it up fool the fans into thinking there was a Dortmund kind of genius plan going on behind it.
Lots of fans fell for it, lots of fans didn't, but one thing's for sure EVERYONE has wised up to it now.

[ronshirt]

I also think he has lost the dressing room. I think players have noted the way he and his staff have dealt with some of their colleagues and have decided, consciously or subconsciously, as individuals or as a group, not to give too much of a fuck on a Saturday afternoon.

[brian green]

The most powerful word in that post Paulie is "arrogance".   It is supremely arrogant to assume that everybody else in football cannot see what you can see.   I don't like to pick on any particular player but to buy a young cheap player believing that nobody else has looked at him and seen his shortcomings is arrogant.   That is why he is cheap.   That is why he will accept low wages.  It is the manifestation of the self deception driven by the mind set of "I think it is so, so it must be so", or as you put it, I want it to be so, so it will be so.

[claret and blue blood]

I must admit I just get the away results at 4.55, as one massive kick in the nuts is better than a series of bitter pills over 90 mins.The hope and expectation of getting even a draw home or away has gone and we are left at looking at the other teams at the bottom who will all get a win or two you can bet for sure.I said last week we should revolt against Lerner's long distance dictatorship as at least we as fans could hold our heads up and show some fight for our club.