Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[kippaxvilla2]

Can someone post a torn villa badge picture.

[richard moore]

Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.

It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.

Yes. They were total arseholes and that is the trouble when we take the full allocation.

All very embarrassing today. That and our display. I won't go again whilst this idiot is in charge. Or, I am thinking more and more, whilst Lerner owns the club

[JamesMcG]

I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door

[levico]

To the manager and the owner.

You have gambled this clubs Premier League status by allowing experienced international players to leave the club and replacing them with utterly inexperienced and largely unknown 'talent'.

Worse still you have allowed us to be dumped out of competitive cup competitions (our only chance of silverware) in order to preserve our Premier League place which tonight hangs by a thread.

Lambert you spoke of a three year plan and advised us all to be patient and watch this young and hungry batch of players grow. 

Whilst we have shown this immeasurable amount of patience you have presided over record breaking defeats, record breaking numbers of home defeats, humiliating semi final cup exits at the hands of 4th Division opposition in this case unforgivably over two legs, early cup exits against other lower league opposition, one of whom is enjoying a Wembley appearance this weekend.  All this in the name of 'steady progress'.  You even steadfastly refused to consider a recall of a proven England International striker that you unceremoniously dumped when you learned that your one success (Christian Benteke) would be out for the rest of the season.

Given that we are almost certain to end this season on a worse points total than last season and are poised to finish closer to relegation than ever (with the possible exception of one other Premier League season) you must accept by any measure this project has failed spectacularly.  We are now in a worse position than when you started with not a lot of genuine hope for the medium term.

When faced with the stark facts in front of you then you must accept your time at the club is now at an end and you must do the decent thing and go now.

A very articulate piece.

Unfortunately I very much doubt that anyone from the club will read it.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

We have got to get one win! 37 will do it!

34 will not be enough!

We have to find it in the next three games!

He has to get back to basics! Stop changing the team the formation! Work on a system and stick with it!

I wouldn't hold your breath. It's plainly obvious he doesn't understand the basics. He can't help himself with tinkering with the formation. He's had near two seasons to work on a system yet we still look like a team that met for the first time 5 minutes before kick off.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door

The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.

The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.

I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.

This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.

They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.

[brian green]

Plus the fact I suspect he has lost the dressing room.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door

Hello, Martin.

[saunders_heroes]

I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door

The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.

The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.

I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.

This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.

They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.

Bloody hell I've been saying this for the last 4 years!

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door

The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.

The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.

I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.

This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.

They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.

Bloody hell I've been saying this for the last 4 years!

So give yourself yet another gold star.

You're far from the only person who has pointed out that we've assembled a squad full of mediocre guff.

[aev]

We can all laugh and joke about other managers, but (and how we all joked about Stoke and their route one bombardment) Pulis today had them up for it and playing it nicely around.

They looked well drilled, organised and to be honest we were flattered to lose by the one goal.

There was a banner unfurled in the away end I saw asking where the ambition has gone, and it does seem as though we are just happy too survive. It is so depressing.

[KevinGage]

We have got to get one win! 37 will do it!

34 will not be enough!

We have to find it in the next three games!

He has to get back to basics! Stop changing the team the formation! Work on a system and stick with it!

I wouldn't hold your breath. It's plainly obvious he doesn't understand the basics. He can't help himself with tinkering with the formation. He's had near two seasons to work on a system yet we still look like a team that met for the first time 5 minutes before kick off.

That's the pisser for me. 

We look like the kind of disjointed side hurriedly (horridly?)  put together in one transfer window.    But whereas some sides look like that early into the season, we've looked that way for the best part of two years.  Impressive.

[brian green]

Plus Paulie the stuffing of the side with cheap players makes it more likely that few if any of those cheap players will ever make the grade because they have nobody of any quality to learn from.   Buying cheap accelerates inferiority it does not remedy it.

[Legion]

[aj2k77]

Ground hog day. Shit performance number 25 of the season for us.

How many people predicted 1-0 Palace? A fair few i'd guess because forget this inconsistent malarkey, we aren't, we are consistently shit.

Lambert out. Again. He should have gone last January.