Kendrick Says It's Time To Ask Questions

[TheEgo]

Fair enough. I'm not sure he posted it on Facebook? He wrote an article that got picked up by lots of places, sites etc! I know a little more than I'm willing to say, however as you say it's natural that there are two sides. The bigger picture for me is that most of what he says ('fall out' aside) is being said by many other fans I see tweet or post on twitter/message boards, not too mention those that attend VP too.

As an editor of a (rather excellent fanzine) could you not run an article yourself maybe gauging the temperature of the fan base (so to speak) you don't have to offer your own opinion, but gauge they of others? I liken it to an editor of a paper trying to gauge it's readership? Food for thought or a big no no?

Incidentally I have no agenda or affiliations, just your average fan.

I thought it was on Facebook originally, but it was certainly picked up by other sites.

Every page of every edition of H&V (except for the editorial and the diary) is a chance for the fanbase to give their own temperature. That's what it's there for.

It was written for a villa blog/site (not sure which one, I only frequent here) maybe then shared on Facebook? The intent behind it was an article to state his opinion and of course it was personal as it was his view/experience

I guess you don't feel the need to ask the question re vision/ambition/direction etc in your editorial on behalf of your readers?

[dave.woodhall]

Fair enough. I'm not sure he posted it on Facebook? He wrote an article that got picked up by lots of places, sites etc! I know a little more than I'm willing to say, however as you say it's natural that there are two sides. The bigger picture for me is that most of what he says ('fall out' aside) is being said by many other fans I see tweet or post on twitter/message boards, not too mention those that attend VP too.

As an editor of a (rather excellent fanzine) could you not run an article yourself maybe gauging the temperature of the fan base (so to speak) you don't have to offer your own opinion, but gauge they of others? I liken it to an editor of a paper trying to gauge it's readership? Food for thought or a big no no?

Incidentally I have no agenda or affiliations, just your average fan.

I thought it was on Facebook originally, but it was certainly picked up by other sites.

Every page of every edition of H&V (except for the editorial and the diary) is a chance for the fanbase to give their own temperature. That's what it's there for.

It was written for a villa blog/site (not sure which one, I only frequent here) maybe then shared on Facebook? The intent behind it was an article to state his opinion and of course it was personal as it was his view/experience

I guess you don't feel the need to ask the question re vision/ambition/direction etc in your editorial on behalf of your readers?

You mean something like:

"Yet again we’re risking safety in the interests of saving a comparatively small amount of money....  But – and this has been a failing for years – someone should be talking. Not just glib phrases but a clear and defined vision of where they want to the club to go and how they intend it to get there. If not we’re going to carry on aimlessly, with supporters growing ever-restless and the devil making work for idle media hands."

[TheEgo]

Fair enough. I'm not sure he posted it on Facebook? He wrote an article that got picked up by lots of places, sites etc! I know a little more than I'm willing to say, however as you say it's natural that there are two sides. The bigger picture for me is that most of what he says ('fall out' aside) is being said by many other fans I see tweet or post on twitter/message boards, not too mention those that attend VP too.

As an editor of a (rather excellent fanzine) could you not run an article yourself maybe gauging the temperature of the fan base (so to speak) you don't have to offer your own opinion, but gauge they of others? I liken it to an editor of a paper trying to gauge it's readership? Food for thought or a big no no?

Incidentally I have no agenda or affiliations, just your average fan.

I thought it was on Facebook originally, but it was certainly picked up by other sites.

Every page of every edition of H&V (except for the editorial and the diary) is a chance for the fanbase to give their own temperature. That's what it's there for.

It was written for a villa blog/site (not sure which one, I only frequent here) maybe then shared on Facebook? The intent behind it was an article to state his opinion and of course it was personal as it was his view/experience

I guess you don't feel the need to ask the question re vision/ambition/direction etc in your editorial on behalf of your readers?

You mean something like:

"Yet again we’re risking safety in the interests of saving a comparatively small amount of money....  But – and this has been a failing for years – someone should be talking. Not just glib phrases but a clear and defined vision of where they want to the club to go and how they intend it to get there. If not we’re going to carry on aimlessly, with supporters growing ever-restless and the devil making work for idle media hands."

Yes was that your last editorial? My bad haha! I guess the trust are those that need to speak and ask the questions then? Really need to gear themselves to be more prominent and make those extra members count.

[dave.woodhall]

Fair enough. I'm not sure he posted it on Facebook? He wrote an article that got picked up by lots of places, sites etc! I know a little more than I'm willing to say, however as you say it's natural that there are two sides. The bigger picture for me is that most of what he says ('fall out' aside) is being said by many other fans I see tweet or post on twitter/message boards, not too mention those that attend VP too.

As an editor of a (rather excellent fanzine) could you not run an article yourself maybe gauging the temperature of the fan base (so to speak) you don't have to offer your own opinion, but gauge they of others? I liken it to an editor of a paper trying to gauge it's readership? Food for thought or a big no no?

Incidentally I have no agenda or affiliations, just your average fan.

I thought it was on Facebook originally, but it was certainly picked up by other sites.

Every page of every edition of H&V (except for the editorial and the diary) is a chance for the fanbase to give their own temperature. That's what it's there for.

It was written for a villa blog/site (not sure which one, I only frequent here) maybe then shared on Facebook? The intent behind it was an article to state his opinion and of course it was personal as it was his view/experience

I guess you don't feel the need to ask the question re vision/ambition/direction etc in your editorial on behalf of your readers?

You mean something like:

"Yet again we’re risking safety in the interests of saving a comparatively small amount of money....  But – and this has been a failing for years – someone should be talking. Not just glib phrases but a clear and defined vision of where they want to the club to go and how they intend it to get there. If not we’re going to carry on aimlessly, with supporters growing ever-restless and the devil making work for idle media hands."

Yes was that your last editorial? My bad haha! I guess the trust are those that need to speak and ask the questions then? Really need to gear themselves to be more prominent and make those extra members count.

That was, indeed, the last editorial. Now it's down to the Trust and its new members to do what they think is right.

[TheEgo]

Fair comment Dave (I don't know how to just quote the last paragraph) I hope they can keep the momentum going and be a unified voice. Given the cross section of opinions on here, a tall order indeed.


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[dave.woodhall]

Fair comment Dave (I don't know how to just quote the last paragraph) I hope they can keep the momentum going and be a unified voice. Given the cross section of opinions on here, a tall order indeed.


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That's what I said elsewhere. The club has shown that if you talk to them reasonably then they'll listen but there's no point going at every door with a sledgehammer.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

The club has shown that if you talk to them reasonably then they'll listen but there's no point going at every door with a sledgehammer.

That's a massive and really important point but I do wonder despite them doing so much behind the scenes that makes me so proud to support Aston Villa, they still fail on the basics. For the life of me, I can't understand for one millisecond what was the reasoning in offering Paul Lambert an extended contract? It's beyond me unless it's Randy giving the 'V's to the fans and reminding them he's the man in charge.

[Dave Clark Five]

You can ask what questions you like. It won't make a ha'porth of difference to Lambert's contract or players being signed. Apart from those issues and the price of match tickets / season tickets, which are as likely to be reduced as the average house / car insurance, what can you talk about except niceties over a cup of coffee? Even if the subject of Lambert's contract was discussed, what would the question be?

[TheEgo]

You can ask what questions you like. It won't make a ha'porth of difference to Lambert's contract or players being signed. Apart from those issues and the price of match tickets / season tickets, which are as likely to be reduced as the average house / car insurance, what can you talk about except niceties over a cup of coffee? Even if the subject of Lambert's contract was discussed, what would the question be?

So do we all just not bother and accept our lot? Good job that approach hasn't been adopted in life per se (not a personal dog by the way, just a general point) you can always bring about change. Just need to approach it the right way. With the backing of many and the right questions asked often enough, change may just happen..

[Chris Harte]

For the life of me, I can't understand for one millisecond what was the reasoning in offering Paul Lambert an extended contract? It's beyond me unless it's Randy giving the 'V's to the fans and reminding them he's the man in charge.

You mean like when he employed Alex McCleish?

[Dave Clark Five]

You can ask what questions you like. It won't make a ha'porth of difference to Lambert's contract or players being signed. Apart from those issues and the price of match tickets / season tickets, which are as likely to be reduced as the average house / car insurance, what can you talk about except niceties over a cup of coffee? Even if the subject of Lambert's contract was discussed, what would the question be?

So do we all just not bother and accept our lot? Good job that approach hasn't been adopted in life per se (not a personal dog by the way, just a general point) you can always bring about change. Just need to approach it the right way. With the backing of many and the right questions asked often enough, change may just happen..

What do you suggest the questions to be asked are?
If the club want to ask questions of the fans then they will do so, as they have before, these usually being along the lines of 'are you renewing your season ticket?'
If the questions are about Lambert's approach to football, then maybe he should be questionned.
I can't see any questions being asked about Lambert's position as Manager.
If I was to seek some information, I would ask why the board have been gambling with our Premier League status.

[ROBBO]

I think what most fans want to be assured of is once the books are in a reasonable state that the club will be looking at some quality signings. I don't think for one minute that we will be challenging the top clubs any day soon or that Randy will be giving a big war chest to any manager, but the ever suffering season ticket holders deserve to have something to look forward too.

[Dave Cooper please]

My only issue is the attitude of some to him being up his own arse and the like. There's a fair few people on here/twitter other fan sites that could easily be labeled the same. Petty and pointless dig for the sake of it...

There are.
But they aren't publishing "reports" that are now being bandied around by the media as fact.

[TheEgo]

You can ask what questions you like. It won't make a ha'porth of difference to Lambert's contract or players being signed. Apart from those issues and the price of match tickets / season tickets, which are as likely to be reduced as the average house / car insurance, what can you talk about except niceties over a cup of coffee? Even if the subject of Lambert's contract was discussed, what would the question be?

So do we all just not bother and accept our lot? Good job that approach hasn't been adopted in life per se (not a personal dog by the way, just a general point) you can always bring about change. Just need to approach it the right way. With the backing of many and the right questions asked often enough, change may just happen..

What do you suggest the questions to be asked are?
If the club want to ask questions of the fans then they will do so, as they have before, these usually being along the lines of 'are you renewing your season ticket?'
If the questions are about Lambert's approach to football, then maybe he should be questionned.
I can't see any questions being asked about Lambert's position as Manager.
If I was to seek some information, I would ask why the board have been gambling with our Premier League status.

I was on about a united front (The Trust?) asking questions of the club re vision/ambition etc and holding them accountable to what is said. As for style of football and all things on the football side, again questions to the board around footballing philosophy may influence this moving forward (if not with this manager) surely proactive and regular dialogue with the club is a good thing? When it was a PLC it was slightly accountable, now there is nothing (short of everyone not attending games)

I'd like to see a real united effort to have a rationale approach to club affairs. Having the trust further in the limelight/wider audience can only be a good thing IMO

[TheEgo]

My only issue is the attitude of some to him being up his own arse and the like. There's a fair few people on here/twitter other fan sites that could easily be labeled the same. Petty and pointless dig for the sake of it...

There are.
But they aren't publishing "reports" that are now being bandied around by the media as fact.

Well we can debate whether he published a report or purely used it as a title for an 'article' given he and his father did an actual report in 2005 (I think) also how is he to blame for media now quoting his OPINION as fact? As I said, agree/disagree with what it said, but to disrespect the man in petty and needless.

I can't see the point in continuing discussing it, I guess it is what it is. I've made my feelings clear.