Kendrick Says It's Time To Ask Questions

[saunders_heroes]

That he says we never had 4 bad seasons in a row under Ellis makes me think he is a prat.

Go on then, tell us when was the last time Villa had 4 consecutive relegation battles.

Bad seasons is the term used. Nearly relegated, relegated bottom of the league, promoted by the skin of our teeth with things out of our control by the end, nearly relegated.

If that isn't 4 bad seasons in a row then I don't know what is.

Well if you're gonna split hairs, when was the last time promotion was deemed a bad season?

I'm hardly splitting hairs when the term used in Hodgson's post is bad seasons, it is you that switched it to relegation battles. When it involved Aston Villa. Promotion is shit because we shouldn't be there in the first place.

Promotion was great considering how shit we were back in the mid 80s, so no, it wasn't a 'bad' season, and it started a renaissance of the club as well.

[hilts_coolerking]

I'm not sure he deserves all these personal attacks does he?  I mean, he's been called a prat (x2), a twat, pompous, an ego maniac, and so on, some of which may well be true but surely the most important thing is whether what he says is valid?

Precisely. It's pathetic.

No, that's not the most important thing at all.  My points, which you seem to have missed, are that the validity of his argument is sorely undermined by his admission that he's had a personal fall-out with the people he's criticising, and also that he's failed to back up his opinions with factual evidence.  It's not a report, it's an opinion piece, and it's the opinion piece of a man who has an axe to grind.  He may make some valid points that resonate with a lot of us, but he's simply not the right man to be making them.

If the aim here is to put pressure on the board by publicising our dissatisfaction and alerting the nation to our plight (and I assume it is), then the most important thing is to have it presented articulately and factually.  We have to be able to present the irrefutable evidence that justifies our disgruntlement, otherwise we're just another bunch of whingeing fans who think we deserve better. 

You might be happy for Hodgson to put himself forward as a spokesman for all of us, but I'm not.  If his piece makes the national press all the focus will be on his spat and his motives for writing the piece.  Any important issues he raises may well be overlooked, and that in turn might make it harder for someone else to bring them to wider attention.  He doesn't appear to have considered that, which is why I have referred to him as an egocentric prat.  Or whatever it was I called him.  I apologise if that offends your sensibilities but I think he could do more harm than good.

It doesn't offend me at all.  We're all entitled to our opinions.  The personal stuff isn't necessary though.

[saunders_heroes]

I'm not sure he deserves all these personal attacks does he?  I mean, he's been called a prat (x2), a twat, pompous, an ego maniac, and so on, some of which may well be true but surely the most important thing is whether what he says is valid?

Precisely. It's pathetic.

No, that's not the most important thing at all.  My points, which you seem to have missed, are that the validity of his argument is sorely undermined by his admission that he's had a personal fall-out with the people he's criticising, and also that he's failed to back up his opinions with factual evidence.  It's not a report, it's an opinion piece, and it's the opinion piece of a man who has an axe to grind.  He may make some valid points that resonate with a lot of us, but he's simply not the right man to be making them.

If the aim here is to put pressure on the board by publicising our dissatisfaction and alerting the nation to our plight (and I assume it is), then the most important thing is to have it presented articulately and factually.  We have to be able to present the irrefutable evidence that justifies our disgruntlement, otherwise we're just another bunch of whingeing fans who think we deserve better. 

You might be happy for Hodgson to put himself forward as a spokesman for all of us, but I'm not.  If his piece makes the national press all the focus will be on his spat and his motives for writing the piece.  Any important issues he raises may well be overlooked, and that in turn might make it harder for someone else to bring them to wider attention.  He doesn't appear to have considered that, which is why I have referred to him as an egocentric prat.  Or whatever it was I called him.  I apologise if that offends your sensibilities but I think he could do more harm than good. 

Hodgson was tweeting his concerns way before he was given the boot from the Directors and has continued it ever since, so it can hardly be said he's just bitter and angry at his boot out the door.

[PeterWithesShin]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

[hilts_coolerking]

Staying up on goal difference is better than being relegated, won't stop it being a bad season will it.

If you and SH think Villa being in the second divsion was a good season then more power to you, I fucking hated it and thought it was shit.

I know you're trying to cobble 4 bad seasons in a row together but arguing that a promotion season is one of them isn't the most convincing way to do it.

[PeterWithesShin]

Staying up on goal difference is better than being relegated, won't stop it being a bad season will it.

If you and SH think Villa being in the second divsion was a good season then more power to you, I fucking hated it and thought it was shit.

I know you're trying to cobble 4 bad seasons in a row together but arguing that a promotion season is one of them isn't the most convincing way to do it.

I always forget Hilts, no one can have a different opinion to you can they. I think it was shit, you don't. I already said knock yourself out believing it was a good season.

[saunders_heroes]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

[saunders_heroes]

Staying up on goal difference is better than being relegated, won't stop it being a bad season will it.

If you and SH think Villa being in the second divsion was a good season then more power to you, I fucking hated it and thought it was shit.

I know you're trying to cobble 4 bad seasons in a row together but arguing that a promotion season is one of them isn't the most convincing way to do it.

I always forget Hilts, no one can have a different opinion to you can they. I think it was shit, you don't. I already said knock yourself out believing it was a good season.

Where the hell has he said no one can have a different opinion to him?

[PeterWithesShin]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

I said if, not that we did. You need new glasses SH as you misread a lot.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

I'm not sure he deserves all these personal attacks does he?  I mean, he's been called a prat (x2), a twat, pompous, an ego maniac, and so on, some of which may well be true but surely the most important thing is whether what he says is valid?

Precisely. It's pathetic.

No, that's not the most important thing at all.  My points, which you seem to have missed, are that the validity of his argument is sorely undermined by his admission that he's had a personal fall-out with the people he's criticising, and also that he's failed to back up his opinions with factual evidence.  It's not a report, it's an opinion piece, and it's the opinion piece of a man who has an axe to grind.  He may make some valid points that resonate with a lot of us, but he's simply not the right man to be making them.

If the aim here is to put pressure on the board by publicising our dissatisfaction and alerting the nation to our plight (and I assume it is), then the most important thing is to have it presented articulately and factually.  We have to be able to present the irrefutable evidence that justifies our disgruntlement, otherwise we're just another bunch of whingeing fans who think we deserve better. 

You might be happy for Hodgson to put himself forward as a spokesman for all of us, but I'm not.  If his piece makes the national press all the focus will be on his spat and his motives for writing the piece.  Any important issues he raises may well be overlooked, and that in turn might make it harder for someone else to bring them to wider attention.  He doesn't appear to have considered that, which is why I have referred to him as an egocentric prat.  Or whatever it was I called him.  I apologise if that offends your sensibilities but I think he could do more harm than good. 

Hodgson was tweeting his concerns way before he was given the boot from the Directors and has continued it ever since, so it can hardly be said he's just bitter and angry at his boot out the door.

It can be said.  It probably will be said.     

[hilts_coolerking]

I always forget Hilts, no one can have a different opinion to you can they. I think it was shit, you don't. I already said knock yourself out believing it was a good season.

Calm down dear, it's only a difference of opinion.  If you think achieving promotion at the first time of asking represents a bad season then so be it.  I'm merely suggesting that perhaps *not* doing that might constitute a better example of a bad season.  Nothing particularly controversial about that I wouldn't say.  Of course, you may not have enjoyed being the in the Second Division but that isn't really what Hodgson is driving at.

[dave.woodhall]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

[PeterWithesShin]

Surely if 16th in the top flight is a bad season, then any position in a lower league is worse? That's how I look at it anyway.

[saunders_heroes]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

I said if, not that we did. You need new glasses SH as you misread a lot.

I know full well you said if, I'm just confused why you said it because we came straight back up in '88. We didn't finish 6th and scrape into a play off place.

[hilts_coolerking]

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Strange?  It's downright weird that some people see promotion as a bad season.  Getting relegated in the first place is the bad part; coming straight back up is the good part surely?