Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2014, 09:25:19 PMnot really, and it is an overly simplistic way of looking at things. He allowed a highly reputable manager to run the football club which only in hindsight have we come to realise it was mishandled. I find it funny listening to the argument that Randy should have been more hands on in light of all of the years Doug was accused of interfering.What do you mean 'not really'? That whole situation is a stone cold example of a club not being run properly.
not really, and it is an overly simplistic way of looking at things. He allowed a highly reputable manager to run the football club which only in hindsight have we come to realise it was mishandled. I find it funny listening to the argument that Randy should have been more hands on in light of all of the years Doug was accused of interfering.
Quote from: Fergal on February 26, 2014, 09:22:57 PMQuote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:17:19 PMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2014, 09:08:33 PMQuote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:02:24 PMQuote from: lambdrew08 on February 26, 2014, 02:29:52 PMThe cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money. The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.I like this post.I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.OBN?Text speak for Obi Wan Kenobi...Thanks Fergal, appreciate the translation.
Quote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:17:19 PMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2014, 09:08:33 PMQuote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:02:24 PMQuote from: lambdrew08 on February 26, 2014, 02:29:52 PMThe cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money. The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.I like this post.I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.OBN?Text speak for Obi Wan Kenobi...
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2014, 09:08:33 PMQuote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:02:24 PMQuote from: lambdrew08 on February 26, 2014, 02:29:52 PMThe cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money. The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.I like this post.I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.OBN?
Quote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:02:24 PMQuote from: lambdrew08 on February 26, 2014, 02:29:52 PMThe cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money. The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.I like this post.I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.
Quote from: lambdrew08 on February 26, 2014, 02:29:52 PMThe cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money. The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.I like this post.
The cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money. The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.
Quote from: Fergal on February 26, 2014, 08:46:15 PMQuote from: cheltenhamlion on February 26, 2014, 08:45:07 PMOld father Cunty Chops. I will finish my views for the evening thus.Do you want us to get this right? Of course you do. Do we need the bullshit in between? Of course we don't.I could go on for hours but balls to it. I don't suck up to people here to curry favour. In fact, I wouldn't do it if it made me a fortune.What I was getting at was.... Ah, bollocks to it. Why bother.Well said I have missed loads. Who is ' Old father cunty chops?" Great name by the way.
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 26, 2014, 08:45:07 PMOld father Cunty Chops. I will finish my views for the evening thus.Do you want us to get this right? Of course you do. Do we need the bullshit in between? Of course we don't.I could go on for hours but balls to it. I don't suck up to people here to curry favour. In fact, I wouldn't do it if it made me a fortune.What I was getting at was.... Ah, bollocks to it. Why bother.Well said
Old father Cunty Chops. I will finish my views for the evening thus.Do you want us to get this right? Of course you do. Do we need the bullshit in between? Of course we don't.I could go on for hours but balls to it. I don't suck up to people here to curry favour. In fact, I wouldn't do it if it made me a fortune.What I was getting at was.... Ah, bollocks to it. Why bother.
it's because you have taken an approach that everything is wrong andf I haven't. I am willing to commend him as an owner in certain areas, and you are not. You have dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive, and I haven't. I am willing to concede he has made mistakes, whereas you cannot accept that even within those mistakes there were things that he did that an owner should be commended for e.g despite being in a hole financially agreeing to player purchases by all three managers post MON, some very significant acquisitions. I realise that not everything has worked out well, but as an owner he backed his manager. If you are also going to criticise that then there is no point us having a discussion because we'll never agree.
Quote from: danlanza on February 26, 2014, 09:01:50 PMQuote from: Fergal on February 26, 2014, 08:46:15 PMQuote from: cheltenhamlion on February 26, 2014, 08:45:07 PMOld father Cunty Chops. I will finish my views for the evening thus.Do you want us to get this right? Of course you do. Do we need the bullshit in between? Of course we don't.I could go on for hours but balls to it. I don't suck up to people here to curry favour. In fact, I wouldn't do it if it made me a fortune.What I was getting at was.... Ah, bollocks to it. Why bother.Well said I have missed loads. Who is ' Old father cunty chops?" Great name by the way.He is our European Scout.
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on February 26, 2014, 09:40:53 PMQuote from: danlanza on February 26, 2014, 09:01:50 PMQuote from: Fergal on February 26, 2014, 08:46:15 PMQuote from: cheltenhamlion on February 26, 2014, 08:45:07 PMOld father Cunty Chops. I will finish my views for the evening thus.Do you want us to get this right? Of course you do. Do we need the bullshit in between? Of course we don't.I could go on for hours but balls to it. I don't suck up to people here to curry favour. In fact, I wouldn't do it if it made me a fortune.What I was getting at was.... Ah, bollocks to it. Why bother.Well said I have missed loads. Who is ' Old father cunty chops?" Great name by the way.He is our European Scout. Is that like a Queen's scout with extra badges?
Yes. He's a banned user using yet another ID to register. Automatic ban. Quite why folks don't realise we will find out quickly who they are is beyond me.
Quote from: Louzie0 on February 26, 2014, 09:44:09 PMQuote from: Fin Feds Dad on February 26, 2014, 09:40:53 PMQuote from: danlanza on February 26, 2014, 09:01:50 PMQuote from: Fergal on February 26, 2014, 08:46:15 PMQuote from: cheltenhamlion on February 26, 2014, 08:45:07 PMOld father Cunty Chops. I will finish my views for the evening thus.Do you want us to get this right? Of course you do. Do we need the bullshit in between? Of course we don't.I could go on for hours but balls to it. I don't suck up to people here to curry favour. In fact, I wouldn't do it if it made me a fortune.What I was getting at was.... Ah, bollocks to it. Why bother.Well said I have missed loads. Who is ' Old father cunty chops?" Great name by the way.He is our European Scout. Is that like a Queen's scout with extra badges?And a passport !
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2014, 09:39:02 PMit's because you have taken an approach that everything is wrong andf I haven't. I am willing to commend him as an owner in certain areas, and you are not. You have dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive, and I haven't. I am willing to concede he has made mistakes, whereas you cannot accept that even within those mistakes there were things that he did that an owner should be commended for e.g despite being in a hole financially agreeing to player purchases by all three managers post MON, some very significant acquisitions. I realise that not everything has worked out well, but as an owner he backed his manager. If you are also going to criticise that then there is no point us having a discussion because we'll never agree.What the fuck are you on about? Where have I dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive?
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2014, 09:43:32 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2014, 09:39:02 PMit's because you have taken an approach that everything is wrong andf I haven't. I am willing to commend him as an owner in certain areas, and you are not. You have dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive, and I haven't. I am willing to concede he has made mistakes, whereas you cannot accept that even within those mistakes there were things that he did that an owner should be commended for e.g despite being in a hole financially agreeing to player purchases by all three managers post MON, some very significant acquisitions. I realise that not everything has worked out well, but as an owner he backed his manager. If you are also going to criticise that then there is no point us having a discussion because we'll never agree.What the fuck are you on about? Where have I dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive?this bit "That whole situation is a stone cold example of a club not being run properly". You've made a strong suggestion that he doesn't know how to run a football club and I countered that by saying it is overly simplistic and that there are other factors that need to be considered before making such a sweeping statement.
I have though about this Kendrick initiative and I smell a rodent. I think Randy and Faulkner are scared witless at the prospect of having to find another manager. Faulkner has gone through his Readers Digest Business Management Guide and re read the chapter on "how to avoid things happening you don't want to happen" and he has put a felt pen highlighter through the words "be proactive". What he dreads happening is another Bolton. I bet he has nightmares about that game. He likes to think the fans are manipulable but when their anger shows he runs for cover. So how does he prevent another Bolton eruption of spontaneous anger? He gets some sort of fan forum set up to dissipate the naked anger. A local newspaper and a local journalist could appear to sow the seeds of the idea.As for the concept of a body of fans being consulted by the board I think it is a non starter because, as I posted elsewhere it is all about leopards and spots. We will not change the fact that the club and the fans are being battered by a perfect storm generated by an owner who has lost interest, a chief executive who would need surgery to get a football idea into his head and a manager who is now reduced to a one item agenda of damage limitation to save his career.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2014, 09:49:53 PMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2014, 09:43:32 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2014, 09:39:02 PMit's because you have taken an approach that everything is wrong andf I haven't. I am willing to commend him as an owner in certain areas, and you are not. You have dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive, and I haven't. I am willing to concede he has made mistakes, whereas you cannot accept that even within those mistakes there were things that he did that an owner should be commended for e.g despite being in a hole financially agreeing to player purchases by all three managers post MON, some very significant acquisitions. I realise that not everything has worked out well, but as an owner he backed his manager. If you are also going to criticise that then there is no point us having a discussion because we'll never agree.What the fuck are you on about? Where have I dismissed all notion that anything he did has been positive?this bit "That whole situation is a stone cold example of a club not being run properly". You've made a strong suggestion that he doesn't know how to run a football club and I countered that by saying it is overly simplistic and that there are other factors that need to be considered before making such a sweeping statement. He took us over and we were debt free (ish) relegation fodder now we are debt ridden relegation fodder. Good job that man...
this bit "That whole situation is a stone cold example of a club not being run properly". You've made a strong suggestion that he doesn't know how to run a football club and I countered that by saying it is overly simplistic and that there are other factors that need to be considered before making such a sweeping statement.