Kendrick Says It's Time To Ask Questions

[Mister E]

I have waited far too long, it would seem, to allow myself to be exposed to such eloquence. What must one do from such a point in time to get such thinkers together with the influence and persuasive power of people like Mr.Woodhall in order to charge the masses with just the right amount of energy to affect a positive change for our club?

Just a note - it sounds quite a lot like you're taking the piss.

Just so you know, we've noticed.

And it should be 'effect a positive change', not 'affect'. I think 'affecting change' is pretty much what the club is doing at the moment.

Also, isn't the term "Mr.Mazrim kindly proffered" an example of a split infinitive? Jesus, don't these kids go to school?

Actually, no I don't think it is.
"To boldly go" is a classic example of a split infinitive; whereas "kindly offered" is just a good use of an adverb.

just saying, like ....

[Fergal]

I have waited far too long, it would seem, to allow myself to be exposed to such eloquence. What must one do from such a point in time to get such thinkers together with the influence and persuasive power of people like Mr.Woodhall in order to charge the masses with just the right amount of energy to affect a positive change for our club?

Just a note - it sounds quite a lot like you're taking the piss.

Just so you know, we've noticed.

And it should be 'effect a positive change', not 'affect'. I think 'affecting change' is pretty much what the club is doing at the moment.

Also, isn't the term "Mr.Mazrim kindly proffered" an example of a split infinitive? Jesus, don't these kids go to school?

Actually, no I don't think it is.
"To boldly go" is a classic example of a split infinitive; whereas "kindly offered" is just a good use of an adverb.

just saying, like ....

Am am lost...

[Stu]

3: We don't owe Randy a penny. I often hear how we owe Randy a 9 figure sum. How is this so? Any debts accrued against the club are his own doing and a symptom of the years of mismanagement, lack of proper planning, lack of consistently and execution. Financially, he is Aston Villa. If he was to sell and took a loss, it's his doing and his subordinate's. Likewise, it's his prerogative to recoup that money if he wishes. But as he does so, he risks the stability and top flight status of the biggest club in 100 miles in any direction.

Never forget what a powerhouse this club was and should be, then look at the state we're in now. Not strengthening when it is essential, loaning a Wigan sub when we need a top playmaker (at the very least), recruiting players with very little calibre because they're cheap. It's like some nightmare where we're confirming to the mindless narrative clueless pundits and media hacks have had of us for ages.

Randy is a good man with a good heart and he wants what is best for Villa. He just has no idea how to go about that or employ the people to achieve it. For that reason and that reason alone I hope he sells up and takes any financial hit on the chin. He said he'd move on if he couldn't do the job. Well after four years of struggle, what other conclusion can be drawn? By all means, be a part of the club, have a role of some sort.
As far as I'm concerned he tried and will always be welcome. But it's time to hand over that "custodianship".

We owe money to his US company as far as I understand it. The club is servicing the interest, but I imagine the loans were secured against club assets.

The paring to the bone of team investment suggests that the loans have dried up, leaving us to operate on income alone. He may well have a good heart, but he's also a businessman. If it comes to cutting his losses, he's going to want as much money as possible back from this investment I imagine. His actions regarding team investment over the last few years is evidence of this in my view.

Perhaps I'm worrying over nothing, but I'd like it if the issue of money owed by us to a Lerner company could be explained properly.

[hilts_coolerking]

I have waited far too long, it would seem, to allow myself to be exposed to such eloquence. What must one do from such a point in time to get such thinkers together with the influence and persuasive power of people like Mr.Woodhall in order to charge the masses with just the right amount of energy to affect a positive change for our club?

Just a note - it sounds quite a lot like you're taking the piss.

Just so you know, we've noticed.

My goodness. I care neither for the welcome nor the language.

I assure you sir, that my offerings to this topic are far from "taking the Michael" (as I'd far prefer if you don't mind). I'm simply adding another claret and blue toned voice to a chorus that already appears to be a little beyond a diminuendo already.

Hello again Troy.

Goodbye again Troy.

Ohdearwhatapitynevermind.

[Fergal]

I have waited far too long, it would seem, to allow myself to be exposed to such eloquence. What must one do from such a point in time to get such thinkers together with the influence and persuasive power of people like Mr.Woodhall in order to charge the masses with just the right amount of energy to affect a positive change for our club?

Just a note - it sounds quite a lot like you're taking the piss.

Just so you know, we've noticed.

My goodness. I care neither for the welcome nor the language.

I assure you sir, that my offerings to this topic are far from "taking the Michael" (as I'd far prefer if you don't mind). I'm simply adding another claret and blue toned voice to a chorus that already appears to be a little beyond a diminuendo already.

Hello again Troy.

Goodbye again Troy.

Ohdearwhatapitynevermind.

It was entertaining whilst it lasted, did you have to ban him?

[PeterWithesShin]

Yes. He's a banned user using yet another ID to register. Automatic ban. Quite why folks don't realise we will find out quickly who they are is beyond me.

[Mazrim]

3: We don't owe Randy a penny. I often hear how we owe Randy a 9 figure sum. How is this so? Any debts accrued against the club are his own doing and a symptom of the years of mismanagement, lack of proper planning, lack of consistently and execution. Financially, he is Aston Villa. If he was to sell and took a loss, it's his doing and his subordinate's. Likewise, it's his prerogative to recoup that money if he wishes. But as he does so, he risks the stability and top flight status of the biggest club in 100 miles in any direction.

Never forget what a powerhouse this club was and should be, then look at the state we're in now. Not strengthening when it is essential, loaning a Wigan sub when we need a top playmaker (at the very least), recruiting players with very little calibre because they're cheap. It's like some nightmare where we're confirming to the mindless narrative clueless pundits and media hacks have had of us for ages.

Randy is a good man with a good heart and he wants what is best for Villa. He just has no idea how to go about that or employ the people to achieve it. For that reason and that reason alone I hope he sells up and takes any financial hit on the chin. He said he'd move on if he couldn't do the job. Well after four years of struggle, what other conclusion can be drawn? By all means, be a part of the club, have a role of some sort.
As far as I'm concerned he tried and will always be welcome. But it's time to hand over that "custodianship".

We owe money to his US company as far as I understand it. The club is servicing the interest, but I imagine the loans were secured against club assets.

The paring to the bone of team investment suggests that the loans have dried up, leaving us to operate on income alone. He may well have a good heart, but he's also a businessman. If it comes to cutting his losses, he's going to want as much money as possible back from this investment I imagine. His actions regarding team investment over the last few years is evidence of this in my view.

Perhaps I'm worrying over nothing, but I'd like it if the issue of money owed by us to a Lerner company could be explained properly.

Yes but for all intents and purposes there is no "us". We don't own anything so don't owe anything, Randy owns everything. He owes the money to his trust and he can move money between his assets as he sees fit. The debt is his and his alone, unless a new buyer takes it on.

[Fergal]

Yes. He's a banned user using yet another ID to register. Automatic ban. Quite why folks don't realise we will find out quickly who they are is beyond me.

Why was he banned?

[pauliewalnuts]

I doubt the players are earning peanuts though. It might be what you want to think, but it's not what I think.

Paying 15 - 20 grand a week nowadays in the premier league is just that - peanuts.

Where have you got those figures from or are you plucking them out the air to suit your own argument?

Regardless of the actual figures, it's hard not to imagine Westwood, Weimann, Lowton, Bacuna, Sylla etc are going to be low wages, relative to the rest of the PL.

The club keep telling us we need to cut the wage bill. That is a main reason we are buying players from the lower leagues.

I'm sure they are on low-ish wages, but in reality, we don't know how much, and besides, you've picked out three or four names there. What about the rest?

Well, ok, regarding the rest I'd imagine the only ones on what would be considered above average PL wages would be Gabby, Benteke (maybe) and possibly Delph because he's on a MON era contract.

Obviously, I am excluding the ones we've sent to train with the kids.

The likes of Vlaar are not going to be picking up monstrous money. The average eredivisie salary is supposed - on a quick bit of research - to be around 300k Euros gross a year. That's the equivalent of, what, 5k a week? 6k?

And that's precisely why that is one of the places we shop, along with Belgium and the lower leagues in this country.

Ultimately, the proof is they've significantly reduced the wage bill.

[pauliewalnuts]

Yes. He's a banned user using yet another ID to register. Automatic ban. Quite why folks don't realise we will find out quickly who they are is beyond me.

Why was he banned?

For going through a loop like this:

- acts like absolute bell end
- gets asked not to
- ignores
- gets banned
- goes away for a bit
- comes back, "please can i come back in, I've changed"
- is allowed back in

Only to then go right back to the start of the loop again.

It's tedious, and believe me, you do have to make an absolute pain of yourself to get a permanent ban on here.

[pauliewalnuts]

Yes but for all intents and purposes there is no "us". We don't own anything so don't owe anything, Randy owns everything. He owes the money to his trust and he can move money between his assets as he sees fit. The debt is his and his alone, unless a new buyer takes it on.

The debt is from the club to the Lerner family trust or whichever vehicle it comes through (RAL or some other company of the family trust). Villa is a limited company, it isn't Randy in the sense of the club = his. They are two seperate things, legally.

The club is in debt to RAL. The fact he owns the club doesn't mean that the debt is his. It's not the same thing. But, you're right he can shift debt and loans between them as he likes.

Also, I have no idea how the Lerner family trust is structured, either, so god knows who those debts are to exactly, it might just be Randy, it might be his mother and sister, god knows.

I think the way in which there is an "us" to go back to what Stu said is that the only bit of the Lerner family empire that we really give a shit about is the bit that holds Aston Villa.

To be fair to Randy, he has written off a lot of the loans in any case - lets be honest, the only way he'd ever get them back would be if someone bought the club and was prepared to pay enough for the club and to service the loans. It's hard to see that happening,.

That contrasts with Mike Ashley, for example, who apparently has not done the same with Newcastle, they keep the club in debt to him (or his company).

[hilts_coolerking]

Yes. He's a banned user using yet another ID to register. Automatic ban. Quite why folks don't realise we will find out quickly who they are is beyond me.

Reminds me of an exchange from Manhunter:

Hannibal Lecter:  How did you catch me?
Will Graham:  You had disadvantages.
Hannibal Lecter: What disadvantages?
Will Graham:  You're insane.

[Fergal]

3: We don't owe Randy a penny. I often hear how we owe Randy a 9 figure sum. How is this so? Any debts accrued against the club are his own doing and a symptom of the years of mismanagement, lack of proper planning, lack of consistently and execution. Financially, he is Aston Villa. If he was to sell and took a loss, it's his doing and his subordinate's. Likewise, it's his prerogative to recoup that money if he wishes. But as he does so, he risks the stability and top flight status of the biggest club in 100 miles in any direction.

Never forget what a powerhouse this club was and should be, then look at the state we're in now. Not strengthening when it is essential, loaning a Wigan sub when we need a top playmaker (at the very least), recruiting players with very little calibre because they're cheap. It's like some nightmare where we're confirming to the mindless narrative clueless pundits and media hacks have had of us for ages.

Randy is a good man with a good heart and he wants what is best for Villa. He just has no idea how to go about that or employ the people to achieve it. For that reason and that reason alone I hope he sells up and takes any financial hit on the chin. He said he'd move on if he couldn't do the job. Well after four years of struggle, what other conclusion can be drawn? By all means, be a part of the club, have a role of some sort.
As far as I'm concerned he tried and will always be welcome. But it's time to hand over that "custodianship".

We owe money to his US company as far as I understand it. The club is servicing the interest, but I imagine the loans were secured against club assets.

The paring to the bone of team investment suggests that the loans have dried up, leaving us to operate on income alone. He may well have a good heart, but he's also a businessman. If it comes to cutting his losses, he's going to want as much money as possible back from this investment I imagine. His actions regarding team investment over the last few years is evidence of this in my view.

Perhaps I'm worrying over nothing, but I'd like it if the issue of money owed by us to a Lerner company could be explained properly.

Yes but for all intents and purposes there is no "us". We don't own anything so don't owe anything, Randy owns everything. He owes the money to his trust and he can move money between his assets as he sees fit. The debt is his and his alone, unless a new buyer takes it on.

I have a sneaking suspicion that When Randy sells up he will have made a very tidy amount of money out of us...

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

Kozak wouldn't have been on much at Lazio. He was their third choice striker and Lotito is notoriously tight.

He was also their top scorer in the Europa League. What do you reckon we are paying him then?

30k at most. I'd guess at 20k though, purely because I don't think Lazio would've been paying him very much.

[brian green]

I have though about this Kendrick initiative and I smell a rodent.  I think Randy and Faulkner are scared witless at the prospect of having to find another manager.  Faulkner has gone through his Readers Digest Business Management Guide and re read the chapter on "how to avoid things happening you don't want to happen" and he has put a felt pen highlighter through the words "be proactive".  What he dreads happening is another Bolton.   I bet he has nightmares about that game.   He likes to think the fans are manipulable but when their anger shows he runs for cover.   So how does he prevent another Bolton eruption of spontaneous anger?   He gets some sort of fan forum set up to dissipate the naked anger.   A local newspaper and a local journalist could appear to sow the seeds of the idea.

As for the concept of a body of fans being consulted by the board I think it is a non starter because, as I posted elsewhere it is all about leopards and spots.   We will not change the fact that the club and the fans are being battered by a perfect storm generated by an owner who has lost interest, a chief executive who would need surgery to get a football idea into his head and a manager who is now reduced to a one item agenda of damage limitation to save his career.