Transfer Speculation / Gossip

[Ryu]

I'm shocked in a good way that it would even be reported we're making an £8m bid for anyone.  I must admit I've never been hugely impressed with Cleverly but experienced managers have picked him repeatedly for club and country.  And I think there is a culture amongst football fans now to say people are "shit" if they're not as good as Yaya Toure on a regular basis.  Snobbishly I'd say this is more the inclination of armchair/sky fans, and they're particularly vocal on social media etc. 

Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

[Des Little]

If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

[Clampy]

Hang on, so in the last 3 hours Tom Cleverley has morphed into a good player and will be a decent signing for us . Ha, this internet is brilliant.

It would be even better without misery arses like you clogging it up.

[Tony Erdington]

£8 million, er that song again.

premiership ur having a laugh.

[pauliewalnuts]

Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?

[Ryu]

If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Maybe Lerner's thinking is he will make all this back as and when we're sold.  Assuming we will find a buyer my thought at this point is "Meh, it's not my money!"

[pauliewalnuts]

If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

[PeterWithesShin]

Cleverley isn't shite, but he isn't £8m good either.

[PeterWithesShin]

If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

Yep

"Cleverley signs new deal

Tom Cleverley has signed a new four-year deal which will see the midfielder stay at Old Trafford until the end of the 2014/15 season."

[Ryu]

Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?

I think many people would have reacted the same way they have to most of Lambert's signings. 

[maidstonevillain]

If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

It's all pretty academic if you are buying. If the player is out of contract the signing on fees go up, and the wages go up, so for a 4 year contract the overall cost may be the same.

And in fairness to Lambert, his above the bargain basement signings have been generally pretty astute so far.

[Tom_Mc9?]

If he joins, let's see how he does for us before writing off someone who didn't become a Man United regular. A few weeks ago, Cissokho was the worst left back in Liverpool's history. He's looked okay for us.

To be honest, I don't believe it'd be £8m for one second.

[pauliewalnuts]

If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

It's all pretty academic if you are buying. If the player is out of contract the signing on fees go up, and the wages go up, so for a 4 year contract the overall cost may be the same.

And in fairness to Lambert, his above the bargain basement signings have been generally pretty astute so far.

I find it hard to believe Cleverley would bag anything like enough to touch £8m, though.

[pauliewalnuts]

Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?

I think many people would have reacted the same way they have to most of Lambert's signings. 

Yes, and they'd have been right more times than not, too.

[Chris Smith]

Cleverley isn't shite, but he isn't £8m good either.

Difficult to know what is the right price these days when you see some of the fess being paid. If Shane long is a £12m player then anything is possible.