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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: godzvilla on February 21, 2014, 10:55:45 AM

Title: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on February 21, 2014, 10:55:45 AM
For those in search of any Transfer gossip “fix “ concerning the Villa, according to several News outlets this morning the Club  are apparently  interested in  Marouane Chamakh the former Arse forward , who is available on a free at the end of this season . Could be a good deal for a player who was valued at 18million euros 3 or 4 years ago ....mind you , so was Darren Bent ! .
................Godzvilla!

" Aston Villa are readying a move for Crystal Palace forward Marouane Chamakh according to Football Direct News.
Villa Park boss Paul Lambert is keen on landing the Moroccan, who has been in excellent form since moving to Selhurst Park after a decidedly average stint at Arsenal.

Chamakh is the Eagles top scorer this season with five goals and Tony Pulis has got the most out of his South London side to give Crystal Palace a fighting change to beat the drop " .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 21, 2014, 11:09:05 AM
hope not ... would be a Happy Shopper version of Baros for us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
We're looking at a Belgian attacking midfielder, a non league striker and a 17 year old left back from Plymouth Argyle.  Apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on February 21, 2014, 11:17:31 AM
(http://a.gifb.in/3934yu85yu4.gif)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Quiet Lion on February 21, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
We're looking at a Belgian attacking midfielder, a non league striker and a 17 year old left back from Plymouth Argyle.  Apparently.

A Lambert shopping list if ever there was one
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
It's actually funny looking at some of the names that have been put forward in the past on here and how they're doing currently...that would be Frimpong playing for Barnsley in the bottom 3 of the championship and I looked on the Oatcake the other day and they're all scathing about John Guidetti, a little bit overweight it seems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on February 21, 2014, 11:32:04 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on February 21, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
We're looking at a Belgian attacking midfielder, a non league striker and a 17 year old left back from Plymouth Argyle.  Apparently.

A Lambert shopping list if ever there was one

I've never really cared about where our players come from or if they fit a certain 'profile' of a manager, only how good they are.  More Benteke's, less Tonev's, please Mr Lambert!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on February 21, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
The club are going to have to pull their finger out in the transfer market this summer. I sense the loyalty and patience of a lot of season ticket holders is wearing thin.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 21, 2014, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
We're looking at a Belgian attacking midfielder, a non league striker and a 17 year old left back from Plymouth Argyle.  Apparently.

About time we signed hazard ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on February 21, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 21, 2014, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
We're looking at a Belgian attacking midfielder, a non league striker and a 17 year old left back from Plymouth Argyle.  Apparently.

About time we signed hazard ;)

With our luck, we'll end up with Bo or Luke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on February 21, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
Hey Concrete, you need to Bach down or do you want to Duke it out ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 12:55:03 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on February 21, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
Hey Concrete, you need to Bach down or do you want to Duke it out ?

Leave it.  You couldn't Handel it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Quiet Lion on February 21, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 21, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
The club are going to have to pull their finger out in the transfer market this summer. I sense the loyalty and patience of a lot of season ticket holders is wearing thin.

You know we have had a lot of important transfer windows in the last few years. But I really do think this one will be crucial for that reason.

We have a squad now, we have reduced the wage bill significantly, we have a lot of younger players who have gained experience in the last few years.

If we were to buy some class and guile, players who really improve the first team, then it would lift the club. More of the same policy we have seen recently would just add to the malaise and dark clouds hanging over the club at present.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 21, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Chamakh has done really well since going to Palace. He was highly thought of prior to joining Arsenal. It didn't work out for him there obviously but he's shown some determination and character in turning things around at a much smaller club. So at least his attitude and application should be commended. If he comes on a free then he certainly offers something different to our current forward options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on February 21, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Chamakh is about as good as his hairstyle.  Dreadful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 21, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Chamakh is about as good as his hairstyle.  Dreadful.
Damn, I was jut about to shoot don to the Barbers and ask for a Chamakh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on February 21, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 21, 2014, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: not3bad on February 21, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
We're looking at a Belgian attacking midfielder, a non league striker and a 17 year old left back from Plymouth Argyle.  Apparently.

About time we signed hazard ;)

With our luck, we'll end up with Bo or Luke.

Or Micky.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on February 21, 2014, 06:46:02 PM
Chamakh is Moroccan for dried manure. If it isn't, it should be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on February 21, 2014, 07:04:56 PM
Oh joy. Another one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2014, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 21, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Chamakh is about as good as his hairstyle.  Dreadful.
Damn, I was jut about to shoot don to the Barbers and ask for a Chamakh.
Barbers don't do that sort of hair. You need a Plasterer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on February 21, 2014, 06:46:02 PM
Chamakh is Moroccan for dried manure. If it isn't, it should be.
Nearly. It is shiny or sunny.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Chamakh is 30 going on 19. Waste of a player who should never ever wear a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KKAVFC on February 21, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
Just when you thought we were running out of barrels to scrape the bottom of this poor man's Bendtner comes along aaaarrrrgggghhhh !!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 21, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
There probably was a good player in Chamakh once but the off field stuff with the blackmailing may have taken too much out of him.
In many ways being at a smaller club may be better for him as he's less news worthy and therefore less of a target.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on February 21, 2014, 06:46:02 PM
Chamakh is Moroccan for dried manure. If it isn't, it should be.

*applause*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 21, 2014, 09:50:27 PM
I'd rather we signed Bannan than Chamakh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on February 21, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on February 21, 2014, 06:46:02 PM
Chamakh is Moroccan for dried manure. If it isn't, it should be.

*applause*


Cheers. I'm here all meek.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on February 21, 2014, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on February 21, 2014, 09:50:27 PM
I'd rather we signed Bannan than Chamakh.

I'd rather we had both over El Ahmadi.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on February 21, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
I never trust a player whose name I can't spell or pronounce.   Why can't we sign Rat?   That I can spell and pronounce.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: wolfman999 on February 21, 2014, 11:30:03 PM
No ... just No.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on February 22, 2014, 03:22:03 AM
As a back-up option, I'd prefer him to Holt. But I don't think he'd be on back-up wages, somehow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on February 22, 2014, 09:04:38 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on February 21, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 21, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
The club are going to have to pull their finger out in the transfer market this summer. I sense the loyalty and patience of a lot of season ticket holders is wearing thin.

You know we have had a lot of important transfer windows in the last few years. But I really do think this one will be crucial for that reason.

We have a squad now, we have reduced the wage bill significantly, we have a lot of younger players who have gained experience in the last few years.

If we were to buy some class and guile, players who really improve the first team, then it would lift the club. More of the same policy we have seen recently would just add to the malaise and dark clouds hanging over the club at present.

I certainly think it's the most important one of Lambert's tenure with the club.  Getting it right will go a long way to dispel many doubts about him, but get it wrong fail to push on again and I think the writing is on the wall for him. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on February 22, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
The writing could be on the wall for him and the summer transfer window an irrelevance come the last day of the season.   For that reason I think the window just gone was the most important of Lambert's tenure.    Failure to act in the summer if we are still a premiership club would mean no more or no less than total loss of ambition at VP, if we are not a premiership club in the summer much of the reason for that can fairly be placed at the "roll the dice" policy of the January window this year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 22, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 21, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
I never trust a player whose name I can't spell or pronounce.   Why can't we sign Rat?   That I can spell and pronounce.

Roland I presume ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on February 22, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
They would not have anybody at Spammers with such a sophisticated name as Roland.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on February 22, 2014, 12:06:35 PM
In fact it is possibly the only thing which might get me to go to a Stripey Filth game if they were playing Wet Spam in the hope of hearing the Gornal version of the famous James Cagney line "Yo Dorty Rot".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on February 22, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
West Ham released Rat in January. I think he has a career-threatening ability problem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on February 22, 2014, 12:43:11 PM
Another dream bites the dust.   I hope he gets a job in a cheese factory.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 22, 2014, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 22, 2014, 12:06:35 PM
In fact it is possibly the only thing which might get me to go to a Stripey Filth game if they were playing Wet Spam in the hope of hearing the Gornal version of the famous James Cagney line "Yo Dorty Rot".

There's rots as big as cots araahnd by we.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 22, 2014, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: Richard E on February 22, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
West Ham released Rat in January. I think he has a career-threatening ability problem.

An ability problem you say? We'll take him, his assimilation will take seconds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on February 22, 2014, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 22, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
The writing could be on the wall for him and the summer transfer window an irrelevance come the last day of the season.   For that reason I think the window just gone was the most important of Lambert's tenure.    Failure to act in the summer if we are still a premiership club would mean no more or no less than total loss of ambition at VP, if we are not a premiership club in the summer much of the reason for that can fairly be placed at the "roll the dice" policy of the January window this year.

This sums things up perfectly for me.  A total waste of a transfer window, notwithstanding whether the line that we were in big for someone being the truth or otherwise.  If someone like me whom I consider to be thick as pig shit can see most of our shortcomings, why, oh why can't the manager who has had a grounding in professional football virtually since leaving school?

I now find myself not only dreading match day but, the couple of days leading up to it.  Maybe it's a distance thing more than anything, I don't know.  Like most of us on here; I would prefer this thread being opened from a position of safety, something I think is a long way off.  I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on February 22, 2014, 06:34:01 PM
Quote from: Richard E on February 22, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
West Ham released Rat in January. I think he has a career-threatening ability problem.
They didn't release him he just left the sinking ship.
I'd like to see him climbing up a drainpipe too. If he's good at that, we'll sign him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
I'm surprised Sam didn't take to Razvan, he was so solid for Romania and his previous clubs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bob rowe on February 28, 2014, 12:09:38 PM
It appears we are interested in Dedryck Boyate of Man City. Anyone know anything about him? I dont.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 28, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
He's been at Man. City for ages, hasn't been amazing when he's been on loan to Bolton and abroad.

Can play right back or centre half so suggests this would be Lowton's replacement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on February 28, 2014, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on February 22, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 21, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
I never trust a player whose name I can't spell or pronounce.   Why can't we sign Rat?   That I can spell and pronounce.

Roland I presume ?

That could be a good move support wise as we'd all just want to help him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 28, 2014, 01:53:42 PM
Perhaps we could buy some players off Parma, see their squad list if you thought Chelsea were bad for hoarding players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parma_F.C.#First-team_squad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on February 28, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
Eight loan players, six from Serie A teams?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 28, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on February 28, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
Eight loan players, six from Serie A teams?!

I was thinking more their 'out on loan players'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on February 28, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
I didn't even attempt to count them! It is ridiculous and surely if it continues rules will be brought in about how many players you can loan out. Hopefully not effecting young players. But in addition to that and on the subject of rules, they loan out all of those players then bring in eight on loan, six from fellow Serie A teams. Then there are the two players they have out on loan, one of whom they co-own with Inter and the other they co-own with Cesena. Genuinely mind boggling.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 28, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
I read something about them having a policy. They sign up promising players from all over the world and loan them out (and have a deal with Gubbio in Italy and Gorica in Slovenia). The theory being that if some of them turn out to be really good then they can sell them or put them in their first team and the ones that aren't good enough haven't cost them much anyway.

Shouldn't be allowed to have that many players in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: FatSam on February 28, 2014, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: bob rowe on February 28, 2014, 12:09:38 PM
It appears we are interested in Dedryck Boyate of Man City. Anyone know anything about him? I dont.

I recall seeing his name in a list of summer 2014 free transfers. He has been around the periphery of their squad for a few years without fully breaking into the team. Wouldn't be a terrible free transfer signing, but won't set the world alight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on February 28, 2014, 02:58:20 PM
I saw fourteen players under the heading 'Gubbio' and thought it was Italian for youth team!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 28, 2014, 03:01:06 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on February 28, 2014, 02:58:20 PM
I saw fourteen players under the heading 'Gubbio' and thought it was Italian for youth team!

I think the Coach that we got to teach morals to younger players, was a Gubbio player. The one who blew the whistle on attempted bribes in Italian football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
If that's anything to go by, there's a huge culture for loaning players in Italy. Loans have been talked about as a way of getting young players more experience so it's possible that the same culture comes over here (more than it already has). I think the system has it's merits if it can be managed well by the authorities.

Not sure how clubs can co-own players. It's bad enough with South American clubs co-owning a player with the player's agent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've agreed to sign some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've signed some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Hopefully he's the next Ibrahimovich.
I'd settle for the next Henrik Larsson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 05, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
The new Mesut Ozil according to the internet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 05, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
The new Mesut Ozil according to the internet.
Ozils shit though...

...according to Arsenal fans who thought he was the messiah 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 05, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've signed some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Hopefully he's the next Ibrahimovich.
I'd settle for the next Henrik Larsson.
so, that's Grealish and Khalili sorted for our attacking MF roles. Just need to find the new Viera as a holding MF now. ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 05, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've signed some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Hopefully he's the next Ibrahimovich.
I'd settle for the next Henrik Larsson.
so, that's Grealish and Khalili sorted for our attacking MF roles. Just need to find the new Viera as a holding MF now. ...
We'll need to resign Isaiah Osbourne.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on March 05, 2014, 05:01:36 PM
Khalili sounds like the name of a bad guy in 'Strike Back'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 05, 2014, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 05, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've signed some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Hopefully he's the next Ibrahimovich.
I'd settle for the next Henrik Larsson.
so, that's Grealish and Khalili sorted for our attacking MF roles. Just need to find the new Viera as a holding MF now. ...
We'll need to resign Isaiah Osbourne.
teehee
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 05, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 05, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've signed some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Hopefully he's the next Ibrahimovich.
I'd settle for the next Henrik Larsson.
so, that's Grealish and Khalili sorted for our attacking MF roles. Just need to find the new Viera as a holding MF now. ...

And for our attacking MDF we could sign IKEA :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on March 05, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 05, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 05, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 05, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've signed some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.
Hopefully he's the next Ibrahimovich.
I'd settle for the next Henrik Larsson.
so, that's Grealish and Khalili sorted for our attacking MF roles. Just need to find the new Viera as a holding MF now. ...

And for our attacking MDF we could sign IKEA :)

Give it three years with us and young Khalili will be working there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte132 on March 06, 2014, 08:40:31 AM
At the end of the report of the Republic of Ireland game my newspaper lists all the players along with their clubs. Hoolahan (Aston Villa). Do they know something we don't? Or is it just another reporter talking rubbish?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
I remember it well. They accused you of talking out of your arse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
I remember it well. They accused you of talking out of your arse.
Otherwise known as verbal diarrhoea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
I remember it well. They accused you of talking out of your arse.
Otherwise known as verbal diarrhoea.
But now the shit's hit the fan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
I remember it well. They accused you of talking out of your arse.
Otherwise known as verbal diarrhoea.
But now the shit's hit the fan.
But you can't polish a turd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on March 06, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
world class quoting there fellas.....:)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on March 06, 2014, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've agreed to sign some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.

IIsnt Khalili the blonde dragon queen in Game of Thrones?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 06, 2014, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on March 06, 2014, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've agreed to sign some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.

IIsnt Khalili the blonde dragon queen in Game of Thrones?
I thought it was this guy, the Great Khali, from WWE back in the day. Obviously our budget wouldn't allow for an Andre The Giant or a Big Show, but we might be able to get the Great Khali. He's shorter than Lamberts usual CF signings though. He's only 7ft 1.
(http://photoncitynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/great-khali.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on March 06, 2014, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on March 06, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
world class quoting there fellas.....:)


I think it was a report to be fair
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: john e on March 06, 2014, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on March 06, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
world class quoting there fellas.....:)


I think it was a report to be fair

Capital R in Report please, John.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 06, 2014, 12:35:58 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
...
But you can't polish a turd.
This has gone too far - you'll get the bum's rush from us all if you carry on. And, please don't think about following through.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on March 06, 2014, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: john e on March 06, 2014, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on March 06, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
world class quoting there fellas.....:)


I think it was a report to be fair

Capital R in Report please, John.


Sorry, must try harder
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 06, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
I remember it well. They accused you of talking out of your arse.
Otherwise known as verbal diarrhoea.
But now the shit's hit the fan.
But you can't polish a turd.

my eyes hurt
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on March 06, 2014, 01:14:51 PM
It sort of looks like a top down view of an Aztec temple.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on March 06, 2014, 01:20:29 PM
H&V does Modern Art
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Eckybloke on March 06, 2014, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on March 06, 2014, 01:20:29 PM
H&V does Modern Art

Given some of the shite in the Tate Modern, you could have a screen displaying random posts from here and it could be drooled upon by art lovers for years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on March 06, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: not3bad on March 06, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
Linked with some striker who plays for Krasnodar, but is on loan at Genoa. He looks big in the picture, apparently we've scouted him 3 times.

He's called something like Moussa Kanote.
That Moussafa Doomp is another one. Slightly overweight but trying to shed it.
Just got rid of him, 5 minutes ago.
We messed up there. Did he go to Minworth?
He did. On a free transfer. Skidded out of the parking lot rather quickly.
I think there was quite a bit in the papers.
Plastered with nothing else.
Need to wash our hands of him now.
He had become a bit sloppy to be fair.
The whole think stank. We're well rid of him.
Shame really. Another promising career goes down the pan.
I think we had put ourself about as a rich club. The price was high as we were flush.
Gutwrenching. Mind you, that's what you get for being a bleeding arsehole. Piles of shite from the paper.
I said it would come to this but everyone poo pooed me.
I remember it well. They accused you of talking out of your arse.
Otherwise known as verbal diarrhoea.
But now the shit's hit the fan.
But you can't polish a turd.

my eyes hurt
Because you have shit eyesight ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 06, 2014, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on March 06, 2014, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
We've agreed to sign some Swedish 15 year old wonder kid apparently by the name of Zeidan Khalili.

IIsnt Khalili the blonde dragon queen in Game of Thrones?

Perfect. Let's sell Benteke and put her up front!

Maybe we could sign a couple of her dragons too. They'll fit in with Lambert's "young and hungry" policy :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on March 06, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
Victor Moses might be worth a punt in the summer. Seemed to do ok under Benitez but doesn't seem that rated by Mourinho or Rodgers. Might help solve our wide forward issues.

The impending clear out at Old Trafford will result in a good few getting the bullet from the club. Don't think Young and Cleverely are anywhere near as bad as the rap they are getting at the moment and would be good signings for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on March 06, 2014, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 06, 2014, 07:00:17 PM

The impending clear out at Old Trafford will result in a good few getting the bullet from the club. Don't think Young and Cleverely are anywhere near as bad as the rap they are getting at the moment and would be good signings for us.

Alex Buttner wouldn't be a bad shout should Chelsea want to keep Bertrand. He's not really had a chance there and from what I've seen of him, he looks like he could be a decent player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on March 06, 2014, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 06, 2014, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 06, 2014, 07:00:17 PM

The impending clear out at Old Trafford will result in a good few getting the bullet from the club. Don't think Young and Cleverely are anywhere near as bad as the rap they are getting at the moment and would be good signings for us.

Alex Buttner wouldn't be a bad shout should Chelsea want to keep Bertrand.
Pat Murphy says that there is an agreement in place for us to buy him if we want him. And he wants to come, obv.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 06, 2014, 08:34:39 PM
I hope Lambert never rushes into a Moses deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 06, 2014, 08:45:36 PM
Moses - bit of a basket case I hear!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: newtonsballs on March 06, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
I think he's in denile
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 06, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
without a paddle
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on March 06, 2014, 09:02:02 PM
Could be a parting of the waves....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: newtonsballs on March 06, 2014, 09:08:43 PM
Just look for the Sinai
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 06, 2014, 09:46:53 PM
I will be Testament to that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 07, 2014, 07:09:06 AM
Nile Ranger would be be a better choice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on March 07, 2014, 07:41:02 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?

No, he's a cowboy manager
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Ark at them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Ark at them.
All shouting from the Watchtower.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Ark at them.
All shouting from the Watchtower.
Are you Witness to this?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 08:12:42 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Ark at them.
All shouting from the Watchtower.
Are you Witness to this?
I have been enlightened
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on March 07, 2014, 09:35:26 AM
outside, in the distance, a wild cat  did growl
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Is that you Bob ? Bob ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 08:12:42 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Ark at them.
All shouting from the Watchtower.
Are you Witness to this?
I have been enlightened
Hallelujah brother!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: inside right on March 07, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
INVICTA TEEN TER HORST TO STAY PUT

Folkestone Invicta boss neil Cugley told Non League Paper no offers have been made for wonder kid Johan Ter Horst despite Premier League interest

Aston Villa are said to be in pursuit of the 18 year old who has scored 17 goals for Invicta in the Ryman South this season despite missing a chunk of the season with injury.

The striker has also attracted scouts from Charlton-Brighton-Sheffield Wednesdat-Brentford-Gillingham and Wycombe to Cheriton Road.

However Ter Horst is under contract until the end of next season so a fee would be needed.Apparently hes a Charlton fan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
Would we team him with Aa(concrete)ron?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
A plague of locusts on him if he doesn't
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on March 07, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 07, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
A plague of locusts on him if he doesn't

I thinks that's what it boils down to!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on March 07, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on March 07, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 07, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
A plague of locusts on him if he doesn't

I thinks that's what it boils down to!

I think boils were in Deuteronomy or was that Genesis?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on March 07, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on March 07, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 07, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
A plague of locusts on him if he doesn't

I thinks that's what it boils down to!

I think boils were in Deuteronomy or was that Genesis?
No that was Phil Collins.
In the air tonight, oh Lord.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on March 07, 2014, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on March 07, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on March 07, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 07, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 06, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Will Rodgers let his people go?
A plague of locusts on him if he doesn't

I thinks that's what it boils down to!

I think boils were in Deuteronomy or was that Genesis?
No that was Phil Collins.
In the air tonight, oh Lord.

S..S..Sussudio....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Boz on March 07, 2014, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 06, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
Victor Moses might be worth a punt in the summer. Seemed to do ok under Benitez but doesn't seem that rated by Mourinho or Rodgers. Might help solve our wide forward issues.

The impending clear out at Old Trafford will result in a good few getting the bullet from the club. Don't think Young and Cleverely are anywhere near as bad as the rap they are getting at the moment and would be good signings for us.

Cleverly, no thanks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 05:19:10 PM
Young would be a yes for me.
The crosses he could put in for Benteke would be welcome.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on March 07, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
I would preface that by saying only if he cuts out the diving and the Billy big time bollocks that he used to do when he was with us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 07, 2014, 06:41:33 PM
Lets gazump them. :)

@GaryLineker: Reports in Spain that Man City have offered €200m for Messi. Maybe we will see how he fares on a wet, cold Tuesday night in Stoke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 07, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: danlanza on March 07, 2014, 05:19:10 PM
Young would be a yes for me.
The crosses he could put in for Benteke would be welcome.

Indeed, definately a yes but I doubt we would be able to pay enough wages to tempt him back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on March 07, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
the only reason I'd buy Young back would be to nail the cheating get to a tree in Aston park. Besides which, it's bee a long time since he was a good player. Let him follow Yorke's footsteps to Sunderland via Australia, Blackburn and Small Heath.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 07, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on March 07, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
the only reason I'd buy Young back would be to nail the cheating get to a tree in Aston park. Besides which, it's bee a long time since he was a good player. Let him follow Yorke's footsteps to Sunderland via Australia, Blackburn and Small Heath.

Oh please!
Young would walk into this Villa team and still be our best player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 07, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
Nailing people up is in the New Testament we haven't finished with Moses puns yet.   Here is an Old Testament riddle for you.   What is the connection between an unsettled Man Ure player and an Egyptian pharaoh?   I will give you a clue.   Think vegan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 07, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
Give up?   Hernandez and Ptolemy both have the same nick name, namely "Little Pea".   The Egyptian got the name from the shape of his head.   I have no idea how Hernandez got his.

I will leave you with the thought before I go to bed that I think Nile Ranger is a natural to be signed by the Gizeh at QPR.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Leighton on March 07, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
Brian, my guess was Linda McCartney.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 08, 2014, 12:26:35 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 07, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on March 07, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
the only reason I'd buy Young back would be to nail the cheating get to a tree in Aston park. Besides which, it's bee a long time since he was a good player. Let him follow Yorke's footsteps to Sunderland via Australia, Blackburn and Small Heath.

Oh please!
Young would walk into this Villa team and still be our best player.
That doesn't say much for him and it is bollocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 08, 2014, 01:06:38 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 21, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Chamakh has done really well since going to Palace. He was highly thought of prior to joining Arsenal. It didn't work out for him there obviously but he's shown some determination and character in turning things around at a much smaller club. So at least his attitude and application should be commended. If he comes on a free then he certainly offers something different to our current forward options.

I know you like to put a positive slant on things, but really, Chamakh?

What do you class as doing really well at Palace? He has 5 goals in 26 appearances. Hardly turning things around, is it?

We don't even need a new striker, but if we do, I can't see any positive indication that the answer is a 30 year old with a consistently underwhelming record in this league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 08, 2014, 01:09:31 AM
I just realised I was replying to a post on the first rather than the last page of the thread. Oops.

Mind you, point stands, I'll have a pint of whatever you're drinking if you think Chamakh is worth considering.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 08, 2014, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 08, 2014, 01:09:31 AM
I just realised I was replying to a post on the first rather than the last page of the thread. Oops.

Mind you, point stands, I'll have a pint of whatever you're drinking if you think Chamakh is worth considering.

We've all suffered from moments of madness
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on March 08, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 07, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
Nailing people up is in the New Testament we haven't finished with Moses puns yet.   Here is an Old Testament riddle for you.   What is the connection between an unsettled Man Ure player and an Egyptian pharaoh?   I will give you a clue.   Think vegan.

Sorry for skipping so much history. Spending 57 years wandering in the wilderness has been a bit of a killer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on March 08, 2014, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on March 08, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 07, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
Nailing people up is in the New Testament we haven't finished with Moses puns yet.   Here is an Old Testament riddle for you.   What is the connection between an unsettled Man Ure player and an Egyptian pharaoh?   I will give you a clue.   Think vegan.
is it anything to do with Remi Moses ?

Sorry for skipping so much history. Spending 57 years wandering in the wilderness has been a bit of a killer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 08, 2014, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: supertom on February 21, 2014, 11:17:31 AM
(http://a.gifb.in/3934yu85yu4.gif)
Good morning. What a wonderful day.
Is the answer Snake brian ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fredm on March 09, 2014, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

But will they be allowed to leave with the number of "home grown" players being enforced next year?  These are the only "home grown" ones they have so need to include them in the matchday squad even if they never get on the field.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 09, 2014, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: fredm on March 09, 2014, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.



All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

But will they be allowed to leave with the number of "home grown" players being enforced next year?  These are the only "home grown" ones they have so need to include them in the matchday squad even if they never get on the field.

Milner and Richards have only  one year left on their deals and lescotts contract is up - as for rodwell he doesn't seem to figure much.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: fredm on March 09, 2014, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.



All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

But will they be allowed to leave with the number of "home grown" players being enforced next year?  These are the only "home grown" ones they have so need to include them in the matchday squad even if they never get on the field.

Milner and Richards have only  one year left on their deals and lescotts contract is up - as for rodwell he doesn't seem to figure much.

Tottenham have been linked with Milner. Again, we won't go for him because of his wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on March 09, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
Caught offside are saying we are interested in Aaron Lennon ........
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on March 09, 2014, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on March 09, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
Caught offside are saying we are interested in Aaron Lennon ........

Caught offside are second only to sportsdirect.com when it comes to bullshit rumours, I think we can safely ignore that one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on March 09, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on March 09, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
Caught offside are saying we are interested in Aaron Lennon ........
Nooooooo please no. I will go to the Mosque to pray that this never happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on March 09, 2014, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range
All good players however after city money they won't be bothered about playing and will end up as show ponies at QPR or Fulham with fat 2/3 year contracts and end will follow soon after.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 09, 2014, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 09, 2014, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range
All good players however after city money they won't be bothered about playing and will end up as show ponies at QPR or Fulham with fat 2/3 year contracts and end will follow soon after.

I think Milner would probably attract the likes of spurs , Liverpool or maybe everton - he is still decent and not too old.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
If we sell Benteke for 20m + this summer do people think someone like Loic Remy would be a realistic option? Arsenal were linked with him today for 8m so transfer fee wouldn't be an issue.

Demba Ba is another one, forgot about him but his goals to games ratio for various clubs in the prem is really good.

I know it will be wages this and wages that but if Benteke and Bent leave this summer I'd imagine that's 100k off the forward line wage budget so would surely give us some room to move.

And I can't be doing with another league 1/championship punt to replace Benteke we need someone relatively proven in there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2014, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?
I doubt it, he makes a Living for the City, and they Ain't Gonna Stand For It.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 09, 2014, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 09, 2014, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?
I doubt it, he makes a Living for the City, and they Ain't Gonna Stand For It.

'Lately' you seem to be 'misstra know it all'
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
If we sell Benteke for 20m + this summer do people think someone like Loic Remy would be a realistic option? Arsenal were linked with him today for 8m so transfer fee wouldn't be an issue.

Demba Ba is another one, forgot about him but his goals to games ratio for various clubs in the prem is really good.

I know it will be wages this and wages that but if Benteke and Bent leave this summer I'd imagine that's 100k off the forward line wage budget so would surely give us some room to move.

And I can't be doing with another league 1/championship punt to replace Benteke we need someone relatively proven in there.

We'll sign Grant "Proper Man" Holt on a permanent deal and win the league.

Seriously, we won't buy anyone like Ba or Remy. It'll be another random player from Europe on low wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 09, 2014, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 09, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on March 09, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
Caught offside are saying we are interested in Aaron Lennon ........
Nooooooo please no. I will go to the Mosque to pray that this never happens.

masjid, 'we' call it a masjid...winky fella...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 09, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

Vlaar has been outstanding this season. Bacuna has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances, mostly from full back.  They have been excellent signings. A couple more like them and we'd be a lot better off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2014, 08:09:10 PM
I agree with Saunders_Heroes.  Other than Benteke, I wouldn't be too upset if Villa sold any of the current squad. Most of them are average at best.  Not another penny to Paul Lambert.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 09, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

Vlaar has been outstanding this season. Bacuna has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances, mostly from full back.  They have been excellent signings. A couple more like them and we'd be a lot better off.

Vlaar's been decent, nothing more - the best of a bad bunch. Not one of our players can be described as having an "outstanding" season this year, not one of them. This season has been appalling, just like last season and the season before that etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 09, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 09, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

Vlaar has been outstanding this season. Bacuna has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances, mostly from full back.  They have been excellent signings. A couple more like them and we'd be a lot better off.

Vlaar's been decent, nothing more - the best of a bad bunch. Not one of our players can be described as having an "outstanding" season this year, not one of them. This season has been appalling, just like last season and the season before that etc.

Everything's black and white in your world isn't it? It's always 'shit' or 'appalling'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 09, 2014, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM


Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.
Bacuna is still learning and will become a very good player.
It's amazing how much better the defence looks when  Vlaar plays.
When Okore plays, I suspect we will look even better.
Guzan was a good player to bring back.
I haven't given up on Westwood ...
 ... and we'll see whether Kozak brings some goals when he recovers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2014, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 09, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

Vlaar has been outstanding this season. Bacuna has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances, mostly from full back.  They have been excellent signings. A couple more like them and we'd be a lot better off.

Scoring 5 goals is great, no problem with that.  But, if he is playing full back, then he is a defender and need to defend much, much better than he does currently. Bacuna has promise and I hope can push on.  Not a bad first season but is still just average at the minute.  I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Does anyone else think Vlaar is overrated by our fans because he plays with clowns like Baker and Clark?

I do. Vlaar is just okay for me, nothing more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Does anyone else think Vlaar is overrated by our fans because he plays with clowns like Baker and Clark?

I do. Vlaar is just okay for me, nothing more.

Yep, agree with that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
I agree that he has lapses but I put it down to him not being as good as he can be when he has to cover for others. He's acting as a sweeper because of experience but Vlaar is clearly a centre-half and will be stronger when the covering work is left to someone else. I think he could easily become when of our best ever centre-halves. A lot relies on Okore for that to happen, though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
I agree that he has lapses but I put it down to him not being as good as he can be when he has to cover for others. He's acting as a sweeper because of experience but Vlaar is clearly a centre-half and will be stronger when the covering work is left to someone else. I think he could easily become when of our best ever centre-halves. A lot relies on Okore for that to happen, though.

I saw Okore outside the North Stand after a game recently. He seems very small for a centreback. I towered over him and I'm barely 6ft.
Also he was wearing a full track suit with shoes on his feet. Most peculiar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Okore is officially listed as a tiny tad over 6ft.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Okore is officially listed as a tiny tad over 6ft.

He must wear platform boots then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
I agree that he has lapses but I put it down to him not being as good as he can be when he has to cover for others. He's acting as a sweeper because of experience but Vlaar is clearly a centre-half and will be stronger when the covering work is left to someone else. I think he could easily become when of our best ever centre-halves. A lot relies on Okore for that to happen, though.

I saw Okore outside the North Stand after a game recently. He seems very small for a centreback. I towered over him and I'm barely 6ft.
Also he was wearing a full track suit with shoes on his feet. Most peculiar.

To be fair he could be standing next to me in a gold fleeced catsuit and I wouldn't know who he was from Adam. Or Ad@m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
I agree that he has lapses but I put it down to him not being as good as he can be when he has to cover for others. He's acting as a sweeper because of experience but Vlaar is clearly a centre-half and will be stronger when the covering work is left to someone else. I think he could easily become when of our best ever centre-halves. A lot relies on Okore for that to happen, though.

I saw Okore outside the North Stand after a game recently. He seems very small for a centreback. I towered over him and I'm barely 6ft.
Also he was wearing a full track suit with shoes on his feet. Most peculiar.

To be fair he could be standing next to me in a gold fleeced catsuit and I wouldn't know who he was from Adam. Or Ad@m.

When I saw him I asked how Willis was.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 09, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Does anyone else think Vlaar is overrated by our fans because he plays with clowns like Baker and Clark?

I do. Vlaar is just okay for me, nothing more.

Yep, agree with that.

He has improved a lot this season , still worry he may be injury prone but I think he has been value for money - you can see the difference when he is not in defence - he's a calming influence .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 09, 2014, 09:22:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 09, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
I agree that he has lapses but I put it down to him not being as good as he can be when he has to cover for others. He's acting as a sweeper because of experience but Vlaar is clearly a centre-half and will be stronger when the covering work is left to someone else. I think he could easily become when of our best ever centre-halves. A lot relies on Okore for that to happen, though.

I saw Okore outside the North Stand after a game recently. He seems very small for a centreback. I towered over him and I'm barely 6ft.
Also he was wearing a full track suit with shoes on his feet. Most peculiar.

To be fair he could be standing next to me in a gold fleeced catsuit and I wouldn't know who he was from Adam. Or Ad@m.

When I saw him I asked how Willis was.

Did he say, 'Whatchoo talking about PeterWithesShin'?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Does anyone else think Vlaar is overrated by our fans because he plays with clowns like Baker and Clark?

I do. Vlaar is just okay for me, nothing more.

Yep, agree with that.

He has improved a lot this season , still worry he may be injury prone but I think he has been value for money - you can see the difference when he is not in defence - he's a calming influence .

He's definitely improved but he's still nothing special. He's still miles better than Clark and Baker though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 09, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Does anyone else think Vlaar is overrated by our fans because he plays with clowns like Baker and Clark?

I do. Vlaar is just okay for me, nothing more.

Yep, agree with that.

He has improved a lot this season , still worry he may be injury prone but I think he has been value for money - you can see the difference when he is not in defence - he's a calming influence .

He's definitely improved but he's still nothing special. He's still miles better than Clark and Baker though.

It depends of course who we are comparing him to - he is far from one of our best centre halves in recent years but having taken time to settle hopefully the best is yet to come - I think alongside okore he will look a real force.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 09, 2014, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Does anyone else think Vlaar is overrated by our fans because he plays with clowns like Baker and Clark?

I do. Vlaar is just okay for me, nothing more.

Yep, agree with that.

He has improved a lot this season , still worry he may be injury prone but I think he has been value for money - you can see the difference when he is not in defence - he's a calming influence .

He's definitely improved but he's still nothing special. He's still miles better than Clark and Baker though.
And that's something coming from you as well. >:(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

I'm willing to be complimentary to players/the manager/the board when they deserve compliments. You should give it a try sometime and get out from under that permanent black cloud.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on March 09, 2014, 10:00:27 PM
I can feel another thread lock looming....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

I'm willing to be complimentary to players/the manager/the board when they deserve compliments. You should give it a try sometime and get out from under that permanent black cloud.


When Villa turn things around on the pitch and we become something other than the perennial relegation strugglers then maybe I'll come out from under my black cloud. Until then though I'll call it as I find it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on March 09, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

He may not be McGrath or even Southgate/ Ugo/ Laursen class, but we always look a far poorer team without Vlaar.  Even last season. 

He's an improvement on James Collins -the player he replaced- too. 

A fair proportion of Lambert's transfer dealings to date have been underwhelming.  Vlaar is one of the better selections.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 09, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

He may not be McGrath or even Southgate/ Ugo/ Laursen class, but we always look a far poorer team without Vlaar.  Even last season. 

He's an improvement on James Collins -the player he replaced- too. 

A fair proportion of Lambert's transfer dealings to date have been underwhelming.  Vlaar is one of the better selections.

Not sure about him being better than Collins, who wasn't a bad defender after all. Don't get me wrong I'd rather have Vlaar fit and in this Villa team but I still don't think he's all that, but beggars can't be choosers and all that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on March 09, 2014, 10:23:55 PM
I dunno.   Ginge was individually culpable for a fair few of our goals conceded in his last two seasons.

Even at West Ham, on the odd occasion I have seen their games, he has looked slow witted, not picking up his man at a crucial moment or making some sort of almighty phuck up.  Business as usual, in other words.

Vlaar is not as dominant in the air as I would like, not big enough -in true centre half terms.  But he has a composure and nous that the vast majority of our first XI lack.

I wouldn't swap him for Collins anyroad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

I'm willing to be complimentary to players/the manager/the board when they deserve compliments. You should give it a try sometime and get out from under that permanent black cloud.


When Villa turn things around on the pitch and we become something other than the perennial relegation strugglers then maybe I'll come out from under my black cloud. Until then though I'll call it as I find it.

so basically, instead of admitting things that are actually good about the club everything is shit until you deem it otherwise? As Dave said, it is so black and white with you. This is a thread about transfer gossip and even here you've managed to hijack it with your negativity. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 09, 2014, 10:31:03 PM
Zzzzzz
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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Havencheese on March 09, 2014, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on March 09, 2014, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 09, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
Could be some decent players on the market in the summer - lescott, rodwell, Milner , Richards - all being linked with leaving city.

All good players who I would love to come the villa, unfortunately there also out of our price range

I think we'd pay the transfer fee but certainly not the wages. We have to increase our wage budget if we want to compete in the PL else we'll continue to be strugglers in this league.

I think we'd pay good wages for the right player, be it someone currently at the club or someone coming in. We won't be stupid and just give to everyone and especially tied to mental contracts. Though I would think it would be restricted to only a few players.

Who have we scouting for the "right player", Stevie Wonder?

The same scouts that got us Vlaar and Benteke or Bacuna I imagine. I was trying to have a sensible discussion with you. It didn't work.

Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

I'm willing to be complimentary to players/the manager/the board when they deserve compliments. You should give it a try sometime and get out from under that permanent black cloud.


When Villa turn things around on the pitch and we become something other than the perennial relegation strugglers then maybe I'll come out from under my black cloud. Until then though I'll call it as I find it.

so basically, instead of admitting things that are actually good about the club everything is shit until you deem it otherwise? As Dave said, it is so black and white with you. This is a thread about transfer gossip and even here you've managed to hijack it with your negativity. Congratulations.
I'm not sure if black and white is correct, perhaps brown and then more shades of brown?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 09, 2014, 11:45:56 PM
I'm glad we got rid of Collins. He really is a horrible "player". Typical Allardyce CB.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Caiphus on March 10, 2014, 12:57:30 AM
Vlaar is a lot quicker (straight line, not in an agility/acceleration sense) than what I thought he would be and a lot more cultured in his skills than I expected given his size. Aerial dominance isn't something you really expect from continental CBs nowadays and so I can accept that he is just average in the air.  His ability to organise and read the play are exceptional though, in my opinion, as he can really make some young inexperienced defenders around him look pretty good for large portions of games that, if they were left to their own devices, would be a lot more inconsistent over the same 90 minute periods.

I think he has deservedly elevated himself to a first choice Dutch CB now (not super difficult considering it's probably the area with least competition in their national team - and has been for a good while) and I think we have as much to worry about from him performing well at the World Cup as we do in regards to Benteke with other teams looking to pounce.  Our form over the season can probably be more directly tied to Vlaar's presence in the team than any other player and he would probably be the front-runner for our player of the season with Delph being the only likely challenger.  I would say that Kompany is the only world-class CB in the League at present and in my opinion Vlaar is on the next rung down along with the majority of the CBs from the top 6 teams...

With that in mind, I find it difficult to assume that we can easily find an upgrade on him and some of the dismissals of his ability/importance to the team a bit rich.  We would have to spend a fair chunk to displace him on the team sheet and he has probably doubled his value in his time here while catching the eye of suitors.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on March 10, 2014, 01:24:28 AM
If we still had designs on being a top 6, Vlaar is easily good enough for a top 6 aspiring side.  Better than that, I'm not sure.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
I thought Collins was rubbish tbh and luckily we had other strong players in our back 4 at the time.

We were shipping plenty of goals in McLeish's season after all with him in the team. Vlaar has more about him and is way more comfortable on the ball.

Bacuna has the potential to grow further for us as a player and 5 league goals is fantastic aswell. Not sure what was expected for 1m really or does any player signed in that price range automatically stay rubbish in SH's mind?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on March 10, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
I think the only time Collins looked any good for us when he was playing alongside Dunne who, despite his issues, was a good defender. Without that type alongside him he looks very limited and error prone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 10, 2014, 09:54:03 AM
Collins had a very good first season. Far exceeding what any of us expected when we signed him for 5 million quid (ridiculous). I think the following two years he was back to his level. Inconsistent, and couldn't cope without an experienced man beside him. Collins wasn't an organizer. Again, he returned to West Ham, performed very well initially but that tailed off, complacency set in and the mistakes came back. I think all that sets him apart from Baker is a bit of experience. Nothing more.

As for Vlaar I think it's his injuries that will continue to hold him back from being able to step up a level. I think he could be a top 8 player (not top 4, though if Demichelis is then maybe he could) if not for the injuries. That's why, good world cup or not I wouldn't worry about him moving on to a bigger club. I think we're his peak. When he leaves us he'll head back to Holland to see out his career.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on March 10, 2014, 10:07:09 AM
I thought Collins was our player of the season in his first year at Villa. The following season he was a lot less impressive and the third season he was even worse. He appears to have been hit and miss at West Ham. Vlaar had a ropey first few months at Villa in my opinion but has been quality for the last twelve months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 10, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 09, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 09, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Benteke's class but Bacuna's nothing special, and Vlaar has hardly set the world alight since coming here. You're very easily pleased.

Vlaar has been outstanding this season. Bacuna has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances, mostly from full back.  They have been excellent signings. A couple more like them and we'd be a lot better off.

Vlaar's been decent, nothing more - the best of a bad bunch. Not one of our players can be described as having an "outstanding" season this year, not one of them. This season has been appalling, just like last season and the season before that etc.

Everything's black and white in your world isn't it?

No, just black.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on March 11, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
A few good players would make such a difference to this team.

Sign Bertrand,  sign a playmaker, a physical box to box to box midfielder and centre half who can play right back or vice versa. Then we're talking.

After that, a clever forward and a cheap experienced backup keeper would do nicely.

Basically, we need players that will give us more than one way of playing. Options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2014, 08:24:52 PM
I watched NRC play for the White Caps on BT Sport last night.   I shall always think that there was a great Villa player in him which we never managed to coax out.   I suppose the midfield box to box runner we need should be in the mould of George Boateng, another one we lost without achieving what he promised initially.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2014, 09:18:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 11, 2014, 08:24:52 PM
I watched NRC play for the White Caps on BT Sport last night.   I shall always think that there was a great Villa player in him which we never managed to coax out.   I suppose the midfield box to box runner we need should be in the mould of George Boateng, another one we lost without achieving what he promised initially.

NRC has found his level in the MLS which is lower PL at the very highest point and really Championship standard. I watched the game the other night vs Montreal and there were plenty of classic NRC moments. Like a break down the right side with a 3 on 2 situation and he managed not to find a teammate. You just knew it was going to happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on March 11, 2014, 10:24:01 PM
No more one dimensional players. We need players who are good on the ball as well as offer something else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Isa on March 12, 2014, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 11, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Sign Bertrand,  sign a playmaker, a physical box to box to box midfielder and centre half who can play right back or vice versa. Then we're talking.

Not sure we'll find a midfielder good enough to locate a third box! ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on March 12, 2014, 12:55:31 AM
Quote from: Isa on March 12, 2014, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 11, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Sign Bertrand,  sign a playmaker, a physical box to box to box midfielder and centre half who can play right back or vice versa. Then we're talking.

Not sure we'll find a midfielder good enough to locate a third box! ;)

No more fanny danglers. We need players adept at boxing clever and not falling for the sucker punch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on March 12, 2014, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Isa on March 12, 2014, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 11, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Sign Bertrand,  sign a playmaker, a physical box to box to box midfielder and centre half who can play right back or vice versa. Then we're talking.

Not sure we'll find a midfielder good enough to locate a third box! ;)

But we must try.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 12, 2014, 06:25:15 AM
Not sure we failed to coax more than we could out of NRC. He had all the attributes but when in possession he struggled to pass the ball more than 3 yards. Many a brerak faltered because of sloppy NRC pass. I think we got as good as we could have got from him. I also don't think he was as good as some make out because of that serious flaw in his game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 12, 2014, 07:20:14 AM
Quote from: peter w on March 12, 2014, 06:25:15 AM
Not sure we failed to coax more than we could out of NRC. He had all the attributes but when in possession he struggled to pass the ball more than 3 yards. Many a brerak faltered because of sloppy NRC pass. I think we got as good as we could have got from him. I also don't think he was as good as some make out because of that serious flaw in his game.

Agreed. If anything I think he over performed vs his ability level with us.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Glenn Peen on March 12, 2014, 08:20:29 AM
West Ham fans will tell you Collins has been brilliant for them. He was before we signed him, too. Maybe we just has two bad years, after a good first? Whatever, the fact is that West Ham's upturn in form has coincided with Collins' return. And that isn't, err, a coincidence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on March 12, 2014, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: Glenn Peen on March 12, 2014, 08:20:29 AM
West Ham fans will tell you Collins has been brilliant for them. He was before we signed him, too. Maybe we just has two bad years, after a good first? Whatever, the fact is that West Ham's upturn in form has coincided with Collins' return. And that isn't, err, a coincidence.

not really, my neighbours are West Ham season ticket holders and they groan like fuck about Collins, Nolan scoring some goals is their upturn.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Glenn Peen on March 12, 2014, 09:34:02 AM
As are mine - and they rave about him. When they didn't have a defence, they lost repeatedly. Opinions, eh? Like poo holes - we've all got 'em!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on March 12, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
James Collins is fine if your game plan for a centre half is for him to throw himself at everything and kick the ball up the pitch as soon as possible for someone to chase/flick on.  That suited MON and it suits Fat Sam.  Someone earlier likened him to Baker and I agree totally, brave, good in the air, decent tackler but iffy positioning and terrible distribution.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on March 12, 2014, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: Glenn Peen on March 12, 2014, 09:34:02 AM
As are mine - and they rave about him. When they didn't have a defence, they lost repeatedly. Opinions, eh? Like poo holes - we've all got 'em!

indeed ! when he moved to Wet Sham my neighbour called him the "Ginger Pele"  I kid you not !! and now he only rates his mobility slightly above Douglas Bader.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 12, 2014, 12:09:56 PM
Ironically, in the week we play Chelsea,  my best memory of Collins is the goal he scored against Chelsea from a corner at Villa Park. My other memories are of him being solid at times,  defensively all over the place at times and drunk and disorderly at times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2014, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 11, 2014, 10:24:01 PM
No more one dimensional players. We need players who are good on the ball as well as offer something else.
Agreed. NRC was better without the ball. No more of that please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
League and cup this season, with Collins West Ham won 36% (W8 D4 L10), without 31% (W4 D3 L6).

As for NRC, good grief no.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2014, 08:25:26 PM
We have had loads of players down the years like NRC, ones you hope are going to be better than they eventually turn out to be.   Sometimes it works the other way round.   You look at a player and you think never in a million years will he make it but he keeps plugging away, giving his all, working on his game and they prove their critics wrong.   Allan Evans was a classic case in point.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on March 12, 2014, 09:14:08 PM
Not forgetting his hoppo Ken McNaught.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 12, 2014, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 12, 2014, 08:25:26 PM
We have had loads of players down the years like NRC, ones you hope are going to be better than they eventually turn out to be.   Sometimes it works the other way round.   You look at a player and you think never in a million years will he make it but he keeps plugging away, giving his all, working on his game and they prove their critics wrong.   Allan Evans was a classic case in point.

But that's just it. Who did he prove wrong? To me he was nothing more than just okay but he lost us possession too easily. He showed all too often that he was what he appeared to be, and that's a decent prospect who never developed any further.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 12, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
James Collins is fine if your game plan for a centre half is for him to throw himself at everything and kick the ball up the pitch as soon as possible for someone to chase/flick on.  That suited MON and it suits Fat Sam.  Someone earlier likened him to Baker and I agree totally, brave, good in the air, decent tackler but iffy positioning and terrible distribution.

suits Paul Lambert too lets be honest. He is a much better player than Baker. Not sure what anyone sees in Baker. Honest as the day is long but incredibly limited in multiple facets of defending.

Collins went to pot after MON left. Particularly dire in the second half of the McLeish season. Though our midfield was desperate at the time, giving Collins and Dunne free reign to attempt 50 yard punts.

Collins is a bog standard old school EPL defender with declining mobility. But doubt we would have conceded anything like 69 league goals last season if he were first choice ahead of Clark, Baker or even Vlaar who was chronic last season.

Hope we are looking at better defenders than Collins in the summer by the way  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 12, 2014, 09:52:42 PM
To be fair to Lambert his plan to play a ball-playing centre-half for the season next to Vlaar. The tempo of a team is set by how quick your centre-halves to take control of the ball and use it positively. That Okore got injured is was a shame on many aspects. But I doubt that he expected to give Clark or Baker as much time as he has this season. I also don't read too much into Baker being ahead of Clark either. He may just being rested. He may have a little niggle that means he's not 100% but could be used if need be. If so we're hardly likely to announce it to the opposition.

I like Baker but ultimately his next move will be down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on March 13, 2014, 08:41:42 AM
Collins would put at least one rick in a game.  Better than Baker?  Piss off.  Baker doesnt have issues with other players off the pitch, is Villa through and through, looks like he cares, is equally as good at defending as Collins and passes the ball better. (Not too hard to "Collins looks up, pretending to see some space, and hoofs it up to opposition centre half/opposition goalie/favourite ball boy of the day (delete as applicable)"  Its like the law of injured players.  The longer they are out the better they were perceived to be.  One good season with Collins was tarnished for me by huge wages for a guy that was average at best and a bloody trouble maker
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2014, 09:06:10 AM
I don't think NRC proved anybody wrong.   He was what he was.   A seriously flawed player but I was not alone in hoping for better from him and although the hard men and women on this site would disagree I don't like to see anybody in a Villa shirt not make the grade whether it is NRC, Fonz or Tonev
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on March 13, 2014, 09:18:10 AM
The main problem with NRC was that we paid way too much for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on March 13, 2014, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: MoetVillan on March 13, 2014, 08:41:42 AM
Collins would put at least one rick in a game.  Better than Baker?  Piss off.  Baker doesnt have issues with other players off the pitch, is Villa through and through, looks like he cares, is equally as good at defending as Collins and passes the ball better. (Not too hard to "Collins looks up, pretending to see some space, and hoofs it up to opposition centre half/opposition goalie/favourite ball boy of the day (delete as applicable)"  Its like the law of injured players.  The longer they are out the better they were perceived to be.  One good season with Collins was tarnished for me by huge wages for a guy that was average at best and a bloody trouble maker

Got to agree with all of that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 13, 2014, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 13, 2014, 09:18:10 AM
The main problem with NRC was that we paid way too much for him.

We did and his press conference was a nightmare, it went way over and was much later than it was supposed to be, I went to the pub to watch it and by the time it actually came on I was wasted
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 13, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
Quote from: manic-road on March 13, 2014, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: MoetVillan on March 13, 2014, 08:41:42 AM
Collins would put at least one rick in a game.  Better than Baker?  Piss off.  Baker doesnt have issues with other players off the pitch, is Villa through and through, looks like he cares, is equally as good at defending as Collins and passes the ball better. (Not too hard to "Collins looks up, pretending to see some space, and hoofs it up to opposition centre half/opposition goalie/favourite ball boy of the day (delete as applicable)"  Its like the law of injured players.  The longer they are out the better they were perceived to be.  One good season with Collins was tarnished for me by huge wages for a guy that was average at best and a bloody trouble maker

Got to agree with all of that.

Agree with most, he can't pass for shit
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 13, 2014, 11:43:24 AM
Not to mention the off field incident with Cowans....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2014, 11:50:34 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 13, 2014, 11:43:24 AM
Not to mention the off field incident with Cowans....
Yep he was also out with Delph and Herd on the razz when a bit of trouble kicked off. Herd seemed as if he'd had a few too many, but never-the-less as a senior member of the squad, Collins should have been leading by example, and certainly wasn't. He was nowhere near good enough on the pitch to overlook some of the stuff he got up to off the pitch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 13, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
I love the "he's Villa through and through" argument. Does that really matter when discussing the merits of paid employees?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 13, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
I love the "he's Villa through and through" argument. Does that really matter when discussing the merits of paid employees?
Only if you're comparing two very similar players, like Baker and Collins for example. I would say Bakers heart is in it more and he'll give you far more desire than you'd get from a mercenary like Collins. In 2-3 years time with more experience on his shoulders he'll be better than Collins (if he's not already). That still doesn't necessarily mean he's good enough to be a first choice for us by any means, but that's another matter.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.
Fair point.

Have we signed Juninho yet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
no but Ravanelli is in the bag
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Eckybloke on March 13, 2014, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 13, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
no but Ravanelli is in the bag

Not from my sources.  The Italian we're getting is Christian Vieri.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on March 13, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on March 13, 2014, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on March 13, 2014, 08:41:42 AM
Collins would put at least one rick in a game.  Better than Baker?  Piss off.  Baker doesnt have issues with other players off the pitch, is Villa through and through, looks like he cares, is equally as good at defending as Collins and passes the ball better. (Not too hard to "Collins looks up, pretending to see some space, and hoofs it up to opposition centre half/opposition goalie/favourite ball boy of the day (delete as applicable)"  Its like the law of injured players.  The longer they are out the better they were perceived to be.  One good season with Collins was tarnished for me by huge wages for a guy that was average at best and a bloody trouble maker

Villa Through and Through?? The same Nathan Baker that was caught selling Cup Final tickets to fans for £250.00?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on March 13, 2014, 12:46:49 PM
I should add Villa through and through meant coming through the youth system.  Dont get me wrong I love new players coming in, but honestly I get more excited about seeing players coming through from our own system.  They have put time and effort into being a Villa player rather than who waves the biggest cheque.  Kissing the badge is something that means something to such a player, not a gone tomorrow high wage guy thats just picking up the paycheque.  They just mean more to me.  It may mean absolutely nothing in terms of points, goals, goals conceded, skill etc, but there you go.  I buy british meat as I trust it more, and im lucky enough to work with a lot of british farmers.  Doesnt mean its any better for me, or taste better.  (Insert more relvant analogy as you see fit)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on March 13, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 13, 2014, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 13, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
no but Ravanelli is in the bag

That sounds like an awful ready made meal you get for a quid, from Iceland :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on March 13, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on March 13, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.

If it helps, a million goes nowhere near as far as it did even 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 13, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on March 13, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.

If it helps, a million goes nowhere near as far as it did even 20 years ago.

yes, so I hear, though I'd happy to be a tester to that theory
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2014, 11:54:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 13, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on March 13, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.

If it helps, a million goes nowhere near as far as it did even 20 years ago.

yes, so I hear, though I'd happy to be a tester to that theory

Nowhere near.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
Is it true about how the other half live then Dave? Do you still consider yourself the H&V Fanzine Magnate, or is it Tycoon?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2014, 02:05:51 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
Is it true about how the other half live then Dave? Do you still consider yourself the H&V Fanzine Magnate, or is it Tycoon?
Maybe he calculates his wealth in unsold Fanzine inventory.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 14, 2014, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2014, 02:05:51 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
Is it true about how the other half live then Dave? Do you still consider yourself the H&V Fanzine Magnate, or is it Tycoon?
Maybe he calculates his wealth in unsold Fanzine inventory.
Not for long. He will soon be Online Dave only.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 14, 2014, 08:30:21 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
Is it true about how the other half live then Dave? Do you still consider yourself the H&V Fanzine Magnate, or is it Tycoon?

He's an Oligarch
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on March 25, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
I,ve seen this Guy play a few times for Fulham ( albeit on TV ) and he has impressed me , fast & direct with a good shot , anyway , apparently we are interested in him . I did,nt realise he was only 21 ! .............Godzvilla!

 According to Club Call Ł

 Villa eye Cottage starlet raid Aston Villa, Last updated: March 25, 2014 9:10 AM Fulham's Pajtim Kasami will be targeted by Aston Villa if the Cottagers are relegated from the Premier League, according to reports. Villa eye Cottage starlet raid The 21-year-old Switzerland international, who signed a four-year deal at Craven Cottage when he joined from Palermo in summer 2011 and has spent time away on loan at Luzern during his time with the club, has featured more heavily this season with some impressive performances. It has resulted in several top clubs such as Juventus and Liverpool to be linked, but fresh reports are suggesting Villa boss Paul Lambert would like to lure Kasami to Villa Park in the summer to bolster his options in attack. And with the Cottagers struggling at the foot of the Premier League table, four points adrift of safety with seven games remaining, it is almost certain that he will make an offer to the Londoners to take him off their hands should they drop into the Championship.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 26, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
Kasami played quite well against us earlier in the season. I've not seen too much more of him in truth, but I recall at the Cottage he looked like the sort of player we lacked. He only played about half an hour of an all but dead game though and we were utterly dreadful that game (even making Sidwell look classy).
He'd be getting close to the last year of his contract and as well as them getting relegated, you'd have to assume he'd be a reasonable price. He's the sort of age we seem to be looking at.

Is he good enough for what we require? Not sure. He's an upgrade on the Sylla/Tonev level of signing certainly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 26, 2014, 07:42:23 PM
He scored an absolute screamer v Palace earlier this year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on March 26, 2014, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 12, 2014, 09:52:42 PM
To be fair to Lambert his plan to play a ball-playing centre-half for the season next to Vlaar. The tempo of a team is set by how quick your centre-halves to take control of the ball and use it positively. That Okore got injured is was a shame on many aspects. But I doubt that he expected to give Clark or Baker as much time as he has this season. I also don't read too much into Baker being ahead of Clark either. He may just being rested. He may have a little niggle that means he's not 100% but could be used if need be. If so we're hardly likely to announce it to the opposition.

I like Baker but ultimately his next move will be down.

Agree.  I've always thought Baker was around the same level as Lichaj and he's now struggling to hold down a place in the Championship.  Heard someone on the radio talking about Phil Jones the other week and saying that the reason he goes into so many lunging challenges is that he is often caught out of position, isn't the quickest and doesn't read the game very well.  I think the same can be said of Baker and when you factor in that he is not great in possession of the ball, I would have to agree with assessment in bold.  Saying that, had Okore been fit all season, I doubt we would have seen much of Baker.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on March 26, 2014, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 26, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
Kasami played quite well against us earlier in the season. I've not seen too much more of him in truth, but I recall at the Cottage he looked like the sort of player we lacked. He only played about half an hour of an all but dead game though and we were utterly dreadful that game (even making Sidwell look classy).
He'd be getting close to the last year of his contract and as well as them getting relegated, you'd have to assume he'd be a reasonable price. He's the sort of age we seem to be looking at.

Is he good enough for what we require? Not sure. He's an upgrade on the Sylla/Tonev level of signing certainly.

Not for me.  We need a "starter" in midfield not another one who is just going to be another squad player. Someone with similar energy levels to Delph who can play the other side of Westwood and create and score a few goals.  Should be our priority signing in the summer along with an attacking player who can play wide and in the "hole".  James Milner and Ashley Young would do nicely!! 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: spangley1812 on March 26, 2014, 09:33:07 PM
I like Ki who is on loan @ Sunderland from Swansea
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 26, 2014, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 26, 2014, 09:33:07 PM
I like Ki who is on loan @ Sunderland from Swansea
Swansea won't be stupid enough to let him go twice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: spangley1812 on March 26, 2014, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on March 26, 2014, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 26, 2014, 09:33:07 PM
I like Ki who is on loan @ Sunderland from Swansea
Swansea won't be stupid enough to let him go twice.
Depends they will have a new manager in the Summer
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 26, 2014, 09:50:51 PM
Ki has looked good in every match I've seen him.  He always looks comfortable on the ball and keeps the play ticking over.
A good signing as an alternative to Westwood, I'm not sure he'd be suited to the other midfield roles.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 26, 2014, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.

Your mate at Bodymoor been hacking the manager's voicemail again?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on March 27, 2014, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.

Go on then Dan, do tell what is going to happen? All very well being critical of a poster simply stating what they have heard, but back it up with your version at least?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danlanza on March 27, 2014, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 27, 2014, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.

Go on then Dan, do tell what is going to happen? All very well being critical of a poster simply stating what they have heard, but back it up with your version at least?
Critical ? Not really. And my version counts for nothing, as i know nothing and never have. Even if i had heard something experience has taught me to keep it to myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on March 27, 2014, 03:34:41 PM
From f365:

"The 24-year-old is approaching the end of his second season in Germany, having moved to the Bundesliga from French outfit Metz.

His progress has been closely monitored by a number of sides, and they are now ready to make their move.

Freiburg would be reluctant sellers, but Diagne is determined to make the most of a golden opportunity.

He claims the likes of Aston Villa, Fulham, Borussia Dortmund, Bordeaux and Rennes are all chasing his signature, and he will make a decision on his future when the summer transfer window opens.

Diagne told RFM: "The club and the coach do not want to let me go but (other) clubs do not want to miss out on me."

One sticking point in any Premier League move for Diagne could be his lack of international experience.

He is yet to be capped by Senegal at senior level and may struggle to obtain a work permit unless he can obtain an EU passport."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 27, 2014, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
The situation with Helenius really intrgues me. What the hell has been going on that he has not had any gametime and is no longer even on the bench? - why no loan-term with a Championship side?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on March 27, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on March 27, 2014, 03:34:41 PM
He claims the likes of Aston Villa, Fulham, Borussia Dortmund, Bordeaux and Rennes are all chasing his signature, and he will make a decision on his future when the summer transfer window opens.

Diagne told RFM: "The club and the coach do not want to let me go but (other) clubs do not want to miss out on me."

One sticking point in any Premier League move for Diagne could be his lack of international experience.

He is yet to be capped by Senegal at senior level and may struggle to obtain a work permit unless he can obtain an EU passport."

A touch of the Ali Dia about that imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 27, 2014, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: danlanza on March 27, 2014, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 27, 2014, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.

Go on then Dan, do tell what is going to happen? All very well being critical of a poster simply stating what they have heard, but back it up with your version at least?
Critical ? Not really. And my version counts for nothing, as i know nothing and never have. Even if i had heard something experience has taught me to keep it to myself.
Thats your perogative - I don`t always post what I hear as it would give away my source and betray a confidence - however where the information is fairly general I will share it as it wouldn`t be damaging to the club or the individual concerned. I realise many on here  are sceptical of "In the know informants" etc- I am happy in the knowledge that the information shared with me is 100% true .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 27, 2014, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 26, 2014, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.

Your mate at Bodymoor been hacking the manager's voicemail again?
No just talking with a neighbour who is, shall we say " linked with AVFC"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
Dave's comment was aimed at Dan not you VCTM.

I also got the impression from someone at the club who will definitely know what they are talking about that Tonev will probably be a goner. Helenius will remain here i'd have thought.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 27, 2014, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 27, 2014, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 26, 2014, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: danlanza on March 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
Guess work pal, total guess work.

Your mate at Bodymoor been hacking the manager's voicemail again?
No just talking with a neighbour who is, shall we say " linked with AVFC"

Not you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2014, 09:20:32 PM
I can see Tonev and Luna gone, along with Sylla, Stevens, Bowery, Given, Bent and Hutton. Possibly N'Zogbia though I'm not convinced of that. I think Helenius will be shipped out on loan for some seasoning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
I wouldnt be too surprised if helenius went - ,he seems to have slipped out of the reckoning in recent weeks ,all 3 were quite minimal fees and low risk .

As for possibly 5 coming in i would hope they would  be in the main players to go into the team rather than squad players - we need to add quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 27, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
"Doh" or "my bad"  ..........whatever the in- phrase is for ..."I`ve been a twonk"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on March 27, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
I reckon just the likes of Bent, Hutton, Given, Delfounseo will go and possibly N'Zogbia and Sylla. I think he'll hang on to the others he brought in last August for another season to give them time to settle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 27, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
I reckon just the likes of Bent, Hutton, Given, Delfounseo will go and possibly N'Zogbia and Sylla. I think he'll hang on to the others he brought in last August for another season to give them time to settle.

I think gardner will be another shown the door unfortunately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2014, 09:34:46 PM
forgot about Fonz. He'll be gone. I can see him possibly giving Tonev another shot. I just don't know about Luna
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2014, 09:35:56 PM
Luna has more of a chance than Tonev.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on March 27, 2014, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2014, 09:34:46 PM
forgot about Fonz. He'll be gone. I can see him possibly giving Tonev another shot. I just don't know about Luna

It depends on what happens with Bertrand I suppose. I read something he said the other day about wanting to be no.1 choice next season and not sit on the bench somewhere so hopefully we'll have him back. I think like KEA and Vlaar, Luna has probably found his first season over here tough going.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
Luna has been exposed too often - cant see him being kept if bertrand comes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on March 28, 2014, 06:21:03 AM
Id like him to persevere with Sylla, there is a player in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 28, 2014, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: Mister E on March 27, 2014, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
The situation with Helenius really intrgues me. What the hell has been going on that he has not had any gametime and is no longer even on the bench? - why no loan-term with a Championship side?

Was there not some story that in training he got nutmegged, the other players laughed and he stormed off?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2014, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
Luna has been exposed too often

Like Bennett was last season. Player's need time before writing them off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 28, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 28, 2014, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
Luna has been exposed too often

Like Bennett was last season. Player's need time before writing them off.

Bennett's nice little cameo against Chelsea won't convince me he's Premier League quality.
He needs to be given the boot this summer along with several others.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on March 28, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 28, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 28, 2014, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
Luna has been exposed too often

Like Bennett was last season. Player's need time before writing them off.

Bennett's nice little cameo against Chelsea won't convince me he's Premier League quality.
He needs to be given the boot this summer along with several others.

Bennett's "nice little" full game "cameo" against one of the league's most potent attacking midfielders convinced me that there is genuinely a good player there, who needs nurturing and not being thrown to the wolves (sic).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dicedlam on March 28, 2014, 10:28:17 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
As for possibly 5 coming in i would hope they would  be in the main players to go into the team rather than squad players - we need to add quality.

For all his time in Germany you would of thought that Lambert would be looking in that direction for possible replacements.
Having watched a considerable number of games in the Bundesliga this season, there is a lot of young talent coming through that I would of thought would be in or around the price bracket that we could afford.
I know that we were linked to Kiyotake, but there is also a tremendous amount of other talent that I think would jump at the chance to play in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on March 28, 2014, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 28, 2014, 06:21:03 AM
Id like him to persevere with Sylla, there is a player in there somewhere.

I agree. I think he needs a run of games to show it as opposed to the odd start and a few sub appearances.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on March 28, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on March 28, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 28, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 28, 2014, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
Luna has been exposed too often

Like Bennett was last season. Player's need time before writing them off.

Bennett's nice little cameo against Chelsea won't convince me he's Premier League quality.
He needs to be given the boot this summer along with several others.

Bennett's "nice little" full game "cameo" against one of the league's most potent attacking midfielders convinced me that there is genuinely a good player there, who needs nurturing and not being thrown to the wolves (sic).

Of the three LBs we've seen brought in by Lambert, for me it's:-
Bertrand>Bennett>Luna

So if one is to go, it's pretty obvious who it should be. 

We need quality over quantity this summer, so I'd avoid the need for an extra body by sticking with Bennett.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VancouverLion on March 29, 2014, 01:53:31 AM
Sylla will never make it in the premier league that I can absolutely guarantee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: passitsideways on March 29, 2014, 02:58:16 AM
Except, y'know, he was perfectly useful for us in the second half of last season in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on March 29, 2014, 07:27:29 AM
Helenius and Sylla should get a good spell on loan somewhere - possibly to a promoted side - to see whether then can cut the mustard. Likewise Carruthers, Donacien and Robinson: we need to see whether they can make a difference in regular competitive football.
If it goes well, blend them into our matchday squad, and use them. If not, sell on and let's focus our interest elsewhere.

At the moment, I'd be frustrated if I was one of them, 'cos I'd want to be playing regularly at a standard that challenges and develops me.

To do this, Lambert needs some more, proven Premiership-quality players for the matchday squad and to cover for injuries / suspensions; even if only short-term until these kids have proved themselves.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 29, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
Rumoured to be the player Lambert was photographed having lunch with a few months back:

"Liverpool will make an £8m move for Inter Milan's Croatian midfielder Mateo Kovacic in the summer. The 19-year-old is frustrated at a lack of action at the Serie A side."

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 29, 2014, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: eastie on March 27, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 27, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
I reckon just the likes of Bent, Hutton, Given, Delfounseo will go and possibly N'Zogbia and Sylla. I think he'll hang on to the others he brought in last August for another season to give them time to settle.

I think gardner will be another shown the door unfortunately.

That would be a pity. Hope his loan spell is as successful as Albrighton's. Great article about him in the Mail last night.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 29, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
Hasn't he been sent back by Coventry after failing to make an impression there. Indeed a pity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on March 29, 2014, 11:07:22 AM
No one and I repeat no one deserves to be sent back from Coventry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 29, 2014, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on March 28, 2014, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: Mister E on March 27, 2014, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on March 26, 2014, 08:15:53 PM
My prediction based upon details of a recent conversation I had  with an individual who is associated with the club
Players who may be leaving in the summer = Helenius, Tonev and Luna
Player not coming in the summer = Hoolihan
Potentially 5 new players coming in
The situation with Helenius really intrgues me. What the hell has been going on that he has not had any gametime and is no longer even on the bench? - why no loan-term with a Championship side?

Was there not some story that in training he got nutmegged, the other players laughed and he stormed off?

Where's that come from?
Nothing like that reported over here, and given that his agent is a gobby git, I'm sure something
like that would have come out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on March 29, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Fuck me . Delfounseo has been around longer than the internet. Surely we can just pay the poor bugger off now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 29, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 29, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
Rumoured to be the player Lambert was photographed having lunch with a few months back:

"Liverpool will make an £8m move for Inter Milan's Croatian midfielder Mateo Kovacic in the summer. The 19-year-old is frustrated at a lack of action at the Serie A side."

We won't be signing Kovacic, that's for sure. I'd love it but it won't happen. Liverpool would be a good fit for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on March 29, 2014, 08:35:53 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 29, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Fuck me . Delfounseo has been around longer than the internet. Surely we can just pay the poor bugger off now?

Is this not his final year?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on April 01, 2014, 01:56:34 AM
No idea who this chap is:

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9234580/Transfer-news-Aston-Villa-and-Fulham-among-clubs-chasing-Freiburg-s-Fallou-Diagne

But the player himself has mentioned us as one of a host of clubs interested.

Quote

Diagne claims growing interest

Freiburg defender Fallou Diagne has told radio station RFM that clubs from across Europe have expressed an interest in acquiring his services.


The 24-year-old is approaching the end of his second season in Germany, having moved to the Bundesliga from French outfit Metz.

His progress has been closely monitored by a number of sides, and they are now ready to make their move.

Freiburg would be reluctant sellers, but Diagne is determined to make the most of a golden opportunity.

He claims the likes of Aston Villa, Fulham, Borussia Dortmund, Bordeaux and Rennes are all chasing his signature, and he will make a decision on his future when the summer transfer window opens.

Diagne told RFM: "The club and the coach do not want to let me go but (other) clubs do not want to miss out on me."

One sticking point in any Premier League move for Diagne could be his lack of international experience.

He is yet to be capped by Senegal at senior level and may struggle to obtain a work permit unless he can obtain an EU passport.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 08:28:12 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 29, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 29, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
Rumoured to be the player Lambert was photographed having lunch with a few months back:

"Liverpool will make an £8m move for Inter Milan's Croatian midfielder Mateo Kovacic in the summer. The 19-year-old is frustrated at a lack of action at the Serie A side."

We won't be signing Kovacic, that's for sure. I'd love it but it won't happen. Liverpool would be a good fit for him.

If (big if) he was the player that Lambert was photographed then it would suggest Lambert is interested.  The price doesn't seem too unrealistic and the player seems to want first team football, so there are positive signs.  However having seen a youtube montage (I know, I know) of his best bits he looks a phenomenal player and likely to go to a club above the stature of Villa.  Fingers crossed that first team football is his priority as we'd be well placed to give him that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 01, 2014, 09:14:02 AM
We need more midfielders who are happy in possession and who can get closer to their team mates to provide options. Movement into space is one part of our problem, but then movement towards the ball is another.

I think we will see us play a midfield diamond next season, with Westwood deepest and Delph to the left. The two players we need; a physical and dominating player, with the elusive attacking midfielder at the tip, all must be good on the ball and good passers of the ball first and foremost. If they can then run like the wind, dish out a ferocious tackle, drift in between the lines and play killer through balls for fun, then great.

If we only have £20 odd million to spend, then I would much rather see us spend it on those two midfielders, as I think it would give us no end of balance and control. Yes we may be weak at full back, but with the midfield keeping the ball and using it a hell of a lot better who cares.

Kozak and Okore coming back will improve the squad, as will N’Zogbia, but when it comes to purchases, it has to be midfield first and second.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2014, 10:40:33 AM
Bertrand would be a good start. At 5m ish he's surely within transfer budget and if wages are a problem just get rid of one of Luna/Bennett as three LBs in the squad is overload especially as two of our CBs can fill in there.

He's dipped recently but there's still a decent player there who can improve further. If not then I'd like to see us go for Neil Taylor at Swansea who is a backup nowadays but looked very good not so long ago.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
I was hoping Norwich would drop and we could nip in and get Fer from them.


As it is, Medel would do us good but is likely on huge money at Cardiff. There is not much else. I would have liked to get Bolaise? from Palace as a wide option too but looks unlikely.

If we have 25million to spend, for me a number 10, a wide creative player and a hard central midfielder would be my 3. I would play Bennett and try and get Neil Taylor on the cheap as Soccer suggests, IMO he is as good as Bertrand from what I saw of him prior to getting injured.

Wonder where Adam Johnson will end up. As a sub or different option he still looks a decent player and has certainly changed a few games for Sunderland but big question marks over him not starting games?

We need options though, badly, that can make Gabby and Weimann uncomfortable. In many ways, Benteke going for 25 million ish may not be the end of the world. 5-6 players at 7-8m, with Kozak fit and another striker signed to compete with him in the Benteke mould might give much more scope for movement.

If we stay up of course!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
Wonder where Adam Johnson will end up. As a sub or different option he still looks a decent player and has certainly changed a few games for Sunderland but big question marks over him not starting games?

I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. He'll have two or three decent games then be utterly anonymous. I understand he's got an interesting lifestyle, too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
Wonder where Adam Johnson will end up. As a sub or different option he still looks a decent player and has certainly changed a few games for Sunderland but big question marks over him not starting games?

I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. He'll have two or three decent games then be utterly anonymous. I understand he's got an interesting lifestyle, too.

More a curiosity of where he will go from Sunderland. I reckon a loan to someone like Palace. Pulis likes a wayward winger.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 01, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
Wonder where Adam Johnson will end up. As a sub or different option he still looks a decent player and has certainly changed a few games for Sunderland but big question marks over him not starting games?

I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. He'll have two or three decent games then be utterly anonymous. I understand he's got an interesting lifestyle, too.

More a curiosity of where he will go from Sunderland. I reckon a loan to someone like Palace. Pulis likes a wayward winger.


I think Downing has been better throughout his career than Johnson thus far. That move to City was just too early and he never really warranted it in the first place. At least Downing had a couple of years of standing out at Boro, and a decent season for us before going for crazy money.
When Johnson broke through he was supposed to be a superior version of Downing but has not even proved to be that. Downing's a pretty average player too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 01, 2014, 12:18:23 PM
I would suggest a goals to game ratio would have Johnson well ahead...

Indeed, wiki has johnson with 13 in 60 for Sunderland and Downing having scored 3 in his last 78....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danno on April 01, 2014, 12:19:02 PM
Had no idea Adam Johnson had scored ten this season.
8 in the league 2 in the cups.

That's not too shabby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
I could see Mourinho offering Lukaku and Bertrand in exchange for Benteke as it will solve a few of his problems.  Seemingly he wants rid of both players and is desperate for a striker(s).  I suspect Lukaku will have aspirations above Villa but if he's foreced out it could happen.

Moses may also be an option for us as he is also in Mourinho's bomb squad if press reports are accurate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 01, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 08:28:12 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on March 29, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 29, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
Rumoured to be the player Lambert was photographed having lunch with a few months back:

"Liverpool will make an £8m move for Inter Milan's Croatian midfielder Mateo Kovacic in the summer. The 19-year-old is frustrated at a lack of action at the Serie A side."

We won't be signing Kovacic, that's for sure. I'd love it but it won't happen. Liverpool would be a good fit for him.

If (big if) he was the player that Lambert was photographed then it would suggest Lambert is interested.  The price doesn't seem too unrealistic and the player seems to want first team football, so there are positive signs.  However having seen a youtube montage (I know, I know) of his best bits he looks a phenomenal player and likely to go to a club above the stature of Villa.  Fingers crossed that first team football is his priority as we'd be well placed to give him that.

I haven't seen this photo. Got a link?

He's really promising but has stalled at Inter. He needs to move and play football, which is good for our chances. But like I said, it won't happen. Better teams than us will be in for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 01, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 01, 2014, 12:18:23 PM
I would suggest a goals to game ratio would have Johnson well ahead...

Indeed, wiki has johnson with 13 in 60 for Sunderland and Downing having scored 3 in his last 78....
Johnsons only been pretty decent for Sunderland for the mid section of this season really. In terms of consistency over a season, Downings had the odd year here and there (including his last with us), while Johnson has flattered to deceive somewhat. Again though, much of that goes down to moving far to soon to a club like Man City.

It'll be interesting to see where he pops up next, but to be honest I hope we've learned our lesson having already signed Downing and also N'Zobgia for that matter. 6 solid months at Wigan before we got him and he's done chuff all since. I think his wages might be beyond us anyway and I don't fancy Lambert seeing him as an option. Not least because he's a winger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
I could see Mourinho offering Lukaku and Bertrand in exchange for Benteke as it will solve a few of his problems.  Seemingly he wants rid of both players and is desperate for a striker(s).  I suspect Lukaku will have aspirations above Villa but if he's foreced out it could happen.

Moses may also be an option for us as he is also in Mourinho's bomb squad if press reports are accurate.


I doubt Mourinho will want Benteke if he doesn't want Lukaku. He'll be looking at a Diego Costa, Edison Cavani type player in terms of profile.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 01, 2014, 01:04:05 PM
I don't think we'll sign him, but to call him worse than Downing is a little harsh old boy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
I could see Mourinho offering Lukaku and Bertrand in exchange for Benteke as it will solve a few of his problems.  Seemingly he wants rid of both players and is desperate for a striker(s).  I suspect Lukaku will have aspirations above Villa but if he's foreced out it could happen.

Moses may also be an option for us as he is also in Mourinho's bomb squad if press reports are accurate.


I doubt Mourinho will want Benteke if he doesn't want Lukaku. He'll be looking at a Diego Costa, Edison Cavani type player in terms of profile.

I agree, I think he'll definitely want a player of that ilk first and foremost but if he's bombing out Lukaku, Torres, Ba and Eto then he'll also need a first reserve of a reasonable stature.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 01, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 01, 2014, 01:04:05 PM
I don't think we'll sign him, but to call him worse than Downing is a little harsh old boy.
Ha ha, well on current terms, he is better but that's not too difficult. But he was billed at Boro as the superior version of DJ Downing. The player who would offer the consistent goal threat and assists that Downing could only do in patches.
If he keeps his form up he'll end up proving it correct of course. But if he was offered to us in the summer, I'd be hesitant as my mind would wonder more to Downing, Zogbia and Ireland.

Saying that being overbilled is part and parcel of being a half decent English player these days I guess, so nothing new there. See Andros Townsend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 01, 2014, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
I could see Mourinho offering Lukaku and Bertrand in exchange for Benteke as it will solve a few of his problems.  Seemingly he wants rid of both players and is desperate for a striker(s).  I suspect Lukaku will have aspirations above Villa but if he's foreced out it could happen.

Moses may also be an option for us as he is also in Mourinho's bomb squad if press reports are accurate.


I doubt Mourinho will want Benteke if he doesn't want Lukaku. He'll be looking at a Diego Costa, Edison Cavani type player in terms of profile.

I agree, I think he'll definitely want a player of that ilk first and foremost but if he's bombing out Lukaku, Torres, Ba and Eto then he'll also need a first reserve of a reasonable stature.

Yeah I don't see Benteke being on Chelskis radar. Spurs perhaps again, maybe Arsenal, but more likely I think we'll see a foreign club come in for him.
There'd be absolutely no logic in Mourinho turfing out Lukaku and bringing in Benteke. Both are similar players and if anything this season, Benteke has been the player who has stood still, while Lukaku has developed further. In addition, not that Benteke is old or anything, but Lukaku is 2 years younger so has even more time to develop than Benteke.

If Chelsea did go a bit loopy and offer us Lukaku and Bertrand for Benteke, I'd snatch their hand off. I suspect though Lukaku might have plenty of suitors himself and probably be looking at finding a champions league club. If Everton were to grab that fourth spot, they may just be able to keep him, depending on how much of the fellaini money they've still got in the bank.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on April 01, 2014, 01:31:41 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
I could see Mourinho offering Lukaku and Bertrand in exchange for Benteke as it will solve a few of his problems.  Seemingly he wants rid of both players and is desperate for a striker(s).  I suspect Lukaku will have aspirations above Villa but if he's foreced out it could happen.

Moses may also be an option for us as he is also in Mourinho's bomb squad if press reports are accurate.


I doubt Mourinho will want Benteke if he doesn't want Lukaku. He'll be looking at a Diego Costa, Edison Cavani type player in terms of profile.

I agree, I think he'll definitely want a player of that ilk first and foremost but if he's bombing out Lukaku, Torres, Ba and Eto then he'll also need a first reserve of a reasonable stature.

I can't see Benteke going somewhere and being a first reserve.  It'd be a terrible shame and stunt his career as it's done with Milner at Man City.  However, if they did want him I'm sure there'd be enough money to beat him over the head with to make it happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 01:35:08 PM
Well if they were crazy enough to offer Lukaku and Bertrand for Benteke, I'd bite their hands off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 01, 2014, 01:40:19 PM

I'd value Lukaku at about 15m, Bertrand about 3m tops

That wouldn't add up to Benteke's value which even now would be around 25m for me. Put it this way, in a decent side without a piss poor manager (eg: Everton) i reckon he'd already have about 20 this season (that's just a hunch as it cna't be proven obviously)

His potential is limitless, i've never felt the same about Lukaku
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 01, 2014, 01:42:49 PM
Yeah, of Martinez had been in charge on Saturday, Benteke definitely wouldn't have fluffed those nailed on tap ins from four yards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Lukaku is a better player in my opinion. In fact, had Chelsea kept and played him, I reckon they would be 6 clear now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2014, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on April 01, 2014, 01:40:19 PM
His potential is limitless, i've never felt the same about Lukaku
When Benteke was Lukaku's current age he was having a fairly mediocre time on loan at Mechelen. It's easy to forget that Lukaku is nearly three years younger than Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on April 01, 2014, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Lukaku is a better player in my opinion. In fact, had Chelsea kept and played him, I reckon they would be 6 clear now.
You may well be right ... so why have successive Chelsea managers not used him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2014, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 01, 2014, 01:42:49 PM
Yeah, of Martinez had been in charge on Saturday, Benteke definitely wouldn't have fluffed those nailed on tap ins from four yards.

I heard Lambert put out an imaginary hand in addition to transmitting an imaginary bump in the playing surface and put Benteke off. It wouldn't have happened under Hughes or Pulis (the latest fashionable managers who are better than Lambert)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2014, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Lukaku is a better player in my opinion. In fact, had Chelsea kept and played him, I reckon they would be 6 clear now.
I think Benteke is probably better at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Lukaku goes on to have the better career.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on April 01, 2014, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Lukaku is a better player in my opinion. In fact, had Chelsea kept and played him, I reckon they would be 6 clear now.
You may well be right ... so why have successive Chelsea managers not used him?

it's the most bizarre thing isn't it given how excellent he has looked now at two different teams in two different systems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on April 01, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
Mourinho is a pillock that was too interested in giving Etoo another pay day and too arrogant to think a youngster might be good enough for one of his superstar teams and he was on loan the season before for experience.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 01, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
For what it is worth, I think the squad would be better off having Bertrand and Lukaku instead of just Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 01, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
For what it is worth, I think the squad would be better off having Bertrand and Lukaku instead of just Benteke.

Definitely. Chelsea wouldn't be crazy enough to do it, I don't think Lukaku would want to come to us anyway. However if it could happen it would be a great deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2014, 01:56:09 PM
I think Benteke has a wider range of goalscoring options. There is literally nothing he cannot do when on form. He has two fantastic feet that he can shoot with immense power. Fantastic in the air. Can shoot from long range and is usually deadly close in. Can run with the ball with pace and power and pull off acrobatic moves too (see Norwich). I think Lukaku is a super player, but if you look at his goals they are nowhere near as varied as Benteke's which is why I think Benteke is the better player. With Lukaku if you play to his strengths he is excellent. With Benteke he can make something out of nothing which is a phenominal trait to possess.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on April 01, 2014, 01:58:02 PM
In truth there's very little between Benteke and Lukaku, which ever way you fall on the argument.  Personally, I think our Big Ben has a better touch, but freely admit it's marginal. 

However, I can only see it happening if he has a storming World Cup. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2014, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on April 01, 2014, 01:58:02 PM
In truth there's very little between Benteke and Lukaku, which ever way you fall on the argument.  Personally, I think our Big Ben has a better tough, but freely admit it's marginal. 

However, I can only see it happening if he has a storming World Cup. 

I think that's probably true, I just think that Lukaku being 3 years younger gives him an edge in terms of potential.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2014, 12:03:15 PM
Just heard that Barca have been banned from signing any players in the next two transfer windows. They have been found guilty of signing under age players including 2 14 year old Koreans. My first feeling is that of relief as it rules out one competitor  from picking up our target players ;D
Banned  (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 02, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: olaftab on April 02, 2014, 12:03:15 PM
Just heard that Barca have been banned from signing any players in the next two transfer windows. They have been found guilty of signing under age players including 2 14 year old Koreans. My first feeling is that of relief as it rules out one competitor  from picking up our target players ;D
Banned  (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466)

Does anyone know how this compares to Chelsea's offence in relation to that Kakuta fella?  I think they appealed and eventually got off.
2 transfer windows seems a pretty harsh penalty but I do not know what precendents are being used here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 02, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
I think its unlikely they will sell us Messi now in light of this news, unfortuantely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Somniloquism on April 02, 2014, 01:38:52 PM
Lee Hendrie has signed for Tavistock...... or not (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26849392)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on April 02, 2014, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 02, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: olaftab on April 02, 2014, 12:03:15 PM
Just heard that Barca have been banned from signing any players in the next two transfer windows. They have been found guilty of signing under age players including 2 14 year old Koreans. My first feeling is that of relief as it rules out one competitor  from picking up our target players ;D
Banned  (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466)

Does anyone know how this compares to Chelsea's offence in relation to that Kakuta fella?  I think they appealed and eventually got off.
2 transfer windows seems a pretty harsh penalty but I do not know what precendents are being used here.

If my memory serves, they were banned, and didnt sign any one during the transfer windows they were "banned" from....I think it was two as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 02, 2014, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on April 02, 2014, 01:38:52 PM
Lee Hendrie has signed for Tavistock...... or not (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26849392)
The sort of thing could probably only happen to Lee Hendrie.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on April 02, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
apologies if this has come up before, but the Daily Wail are implying in an article today that Stoke paid 8m for Ireland? A late April Fool or did we strike it lucky?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on April 02, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 02, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
apologies if this has come up before, but the Daily Wail are implying in an article today that Stoke paid 8m for Ireland? A late April Fool or did we strike it lucky?

I saw that earlier as well. Surely not.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 02, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 02, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
apologies if this has come up before, but the Daily Wail are implying in an article today that Stoke paid 8m for Ireland? A late April Fool or did we strike it lucky?

Did you read it correctly? Are you sure we didn't pay them 8M?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on April 02, 2014, 05:40:36 PM
Aston Villa are said to be interested in Toulouse defender Serge Aurier, reports The Sun.

According to the report Villa have checked out the right-back but face stiff competition from Arsenal and Newcastle for his services.

The £6million-rated ace said: “I don’t think it is too early for me to be moving abroad.

“It is all about reaching a new step personally. I am not scared.”

Villa are considering recruiting a new right-back after losing faith in Alan Hutton and Matt Lowton.

Leandro Bacuna has played there in recent times but he was originally brought to the club as an attacking midfielder.

Ivory Coast international, Aurier, will be going to the World Cup in Brazil this summer and the platform will give him another opportunity to enhance his growing reputation.

What you need to know about him:

Age - 21

Position - Right wing-back

Style of play - Likes to get forward and create chances. Has five goals and six assists already this term. Is quite a fiery character and already has nine bookings this term.

What his manager says: "In terms of right-backs, he's one of the best, if not the best in Ligue 1," - Alain Casanova.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Somniloquism on April 02, 2014, 06:10:10 PM
No surprise RB's might be on the cards, however are the 9 bookings because he dives in a lot or just trips players who have got past him? Because we have had both of those types and would prefer one who can defend well as a first option.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on April 02, 2014, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 02, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 02, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
apologies if this has come up before, but the Daily Wail are implying in an article today that Stoke paid 8m for Ireland? A late April Fool or did we strike it lucky?


Did you read it correctly? Are you sure we didn't pay them 8M?
Given the choice of picking out of a club paying us £8m for Stephen Ireland or the Daily Mail not bothering to do a bit of basic fact-checking, I know which one I think is more likely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2014, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 02, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
I think its unlikely they will sell us Messi now in light of this news, unfortuantely.
Yes the Messi to Villa is now dead in the water. This ban is both ways. They can not buy or sell.
Messi has been quick to tweet his disappointment:

"LeoM@messiOfficial#gutted my dream move# to AVFC# is no more. Massive respect to all at H&V#UTV SOTA"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mrastonvilla on April 02, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 02, 2014, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 02, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 02, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
apologies if this has come up before, but the Daily Wail are implying in an article today that Stoke paid 8m for Ireland? A late April Fool or did we strike it lucky?


Did you read it correctly? Are you sure we didn't pay them 8M?
Given the choice of picking out of a club paying us £8m for Stephen Ireland or the Daily Mail not bothering to do a bit of basic fact-checking, I know which one I think is more likely.

They only signed him until the end if the season didn't they?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2014, 06:46:33 PM
And they paid £8M for that? I love Stoke!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on April 02, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Judging by the defending the other Sunday we obviously threw a 4-1 win to them into the deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on April 03, 2014, 06:00:53 AM
well Martin Samuels was pretty clear they had paid but the main thrust of the piece was Mark Hughes revealing that a key part of the deal for Ireland  was us insisting there was a clause in the contract to ensure that he couldn't play against us rather than the more usual 'gentlemen's agreement'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 03, 2014, 06:28:08 AM
Quote from: olaftab on April 02, 2014, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 02, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
I think its unlikely they will sell us Messi now in light of this news, unfortuantely.
Yes the Messi to Villa is now dead in the water. This ban is both ways. They can not buy or sell.
Messi has been quick to tweet his disappointment:

"LeoM@messiOfficial#gutted my dream move# to AVFC# is no more. Massive respect to all at H&V#UTV SOTA"

Good bloke. Thanks for the salute Lionel. See you down at the ground for a pint with the lads as per usual next time you are in town.
(http://i.imgur.com/ciz2a.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on April 03, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
I'd sign Berahino from the Baggies this Summer, he's raw but I think he could be a star.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on April 03, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
I'd sign Berahino from the Baggies this Summer, he's raw but I think he could be a star.
The Arse were after him, I think; before he signed a revised contract at the Bitters.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on April 03, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Lescott is available on a Bosman this summer - that's one we should seriously look at.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on April 03, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Lescott is available on a Bosman this summer - that's one we should seriously look at.

I don't, he's a good player but he'll cost a fortune and you just know he'd turn to Blues the minute he walked through the door.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Spurs opening talks with Lukaku.
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Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 03, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on April 03, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Lescott is available on a Bosman this summer - that's one we should seriously look at.

I don't, he's a good player but he'll cost a fortune and you just know he'd turn to Blues the minute he walked through the door.


Ha, I had actually written 'Blues' where it says 'blues'.

Man, I love that word filter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on April 03, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
It would all depend on his wage demands obviously, but in truth I wouldn't expect him to take the money and then not be arsed - he just doesn't strike me as that type of player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 03, 2014, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 03, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Spurs opening talks with Lukaku.

At £20m we might struggle...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on April 03, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
It would all depend on his wage demands obviously, but in truth I wouldn't expect him to take the money and then not be arsed - he just doesn't strike me as that type of player.

Me either, but I'd envisage a Shay Given situation where he quickly looks past his best and we're lumbered with him, or he'd get a lengthy injury.

It's the Villa way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on April 03, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
There must be some curse at Chelsea. No place for the likes of  Sturridge and now Lukaku, yet willing to pay for Demba Ba and a clearly over the hill Eto'o. Torres seemed a good acquisition at the time and even that deal has gone nipples up on them.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 03, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on April 03, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
There must be some curse at Chelsea. No place for the likes of  Sturridge and now Lukaku, yet willing to pay for Demba Ba and a clearly over the hill Eto'o. Torres seemed a good acquisition at the time and even that deal has gone nipples up on them.



I know, it really breaks my heart  ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on April 03, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
Torres was on the slide at Liverpool before Chelsea signed him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 03, 2014, 03:33:01 PM
Chelsea would regret selling Lukaku just like Sturridge, their striker policy is just crazy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on April 03, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Villa have signed a player. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/aston-villa-sign-isaac-nehemie-6914556

Aston Villa have snapped up a promising teenager from Southampton’s highly-rated academy.

Isaac Nehemie confirmed on his Twitter account that he has signed professional terms with the claret and blues.

The 18-year-old left-sided player’s full-time scholarship arrangement at Saints was due to expire this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 03, 2014, 05:00:07 PM
Welcome Isaac.  Hopefully he's the next Bale/Walcott/Oxlade-Chamberlain/Lallana/Shaw/Wallace/Shearer/LeTissier.

And not the next Benali.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 03, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on April 03, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
I'd sign Berahino from the Baggies this Summer, he's raw but I think he could be a star.

I wouldn't. He's really nothing special. Meant to be quite cocky too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2014, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 03, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on April 03, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
I'd sign Berahino from the Baggies this Summer, he's raw but I think he could be a star.

I wouldn't. He's really nothing special. Meant to be quite cocky too.

The BBC gossip column seemed to suggest that the players were supporting Morrison in the alleged punch-up which suggest that he might have become a bit too big for his boots albeit the 'gossip column' is exactly that and full of any nonsense the newspapers print.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
Yoink!
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Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2014, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 03, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
Yoink!

A Black County pig?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on April 03, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
I'm actually recovering from Swine Flu and that's the first laugh I've had all week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2014, 10:20:17 PM
A Stripey mate of mine says that Berahino's attitude stinks and that the initial success he had went to his head. Might well be on the Luke Moore path.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on April 03, 2014, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 03, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
I'm actually recovering from Swine Flu and that's the first laugh I've had all week.
Swine flu? Antidote is wine flew straight into your mouth.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 04, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
He went from £800 a week to £12000 per week, which seems part of the problem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on April 04, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: Ads on April 04, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
He went from £800 a week to £12000 per week, which seems part of the problem.

Just for a moment, stop and think about that.

If that had happened to me at his age, I'd have been dead or locked up within six months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 11:01:57 AM
I don't think Lambert saying Bent has no future at the club is particularly helpful when it comes to trying to get a good deal for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 04, 2014, 11:06:59 AM
  Wasn't it fairly obvious?  How many games did he play last season?  How many times did he even made the bench?  The captaincy was stripped from him almost immediately, and he was f'd off to Fulham this season.  Saying he is not in Lambert's future plans is not going to come as any great surprise to anybody in football management.  If there had been an offer for him in the last 2 transfer windows we'd have snapped their hands off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 11:25:21 AM
It might be obvious, but completely isolating players seems counter productive to me and that's partially reflected in our inability to shift them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on April 04, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 11:25:21 AM
It might be obvious, but completely isolating players seems counter productive to me and that's partially reflected in our inability to shift them.

You may be right, but I think it's more to do with him commanding big wages and being a busted flush.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on April 04, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 11:25:21 AM
It might be obvious, but completely isolating players seems counter productive to me and that's partially reflected in our inability to shift them.

I think it's pretty standard in football that if a player is surplus to requirements this type of thing happens - what's the point keeping a player who has no future in and around a first team squad that is being developed?  I was listening to an interview with Niall Quinn the other day and he was saying how he had to train with the injured players at Sunderland before he eventually left.  No matter how we treat Bent he is a striker approaching thirty in the final year of his contract.  I'm not too sure there's much of a position for us to bargain from?  Chances are he'll be off to a top Championship club or maybe he'll fancy a final hurrah abroad.  Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to keep him, but it would be better business sense not to make it so obvious that you don't want him. If you want to sell an assett you don't want to indicate to the buyers that you place no value on it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 04, 2014, 01:40:23 PM
Which he has done consistently for the last 18 months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on April 04, 2014, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to keep him, but it would be better business sense not to make it so obvious that you don't want him. If you want to sell an assett you don't want to indicate to the buyers that you place no value on it.

To be fair Paul, if you're not picking a £20m striker then people are going to infer that you don't rate him.

I'd be more inclined to question the managers approach if he chose to play him in the hope of selling him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to keep him, but it would be better business sense not to make it so obvious that you don't want him. If you want to sell an assett you don't want to indicate to the buyers that you place no value on it.

typically I'd say you're right but we'd be giving him away for free anyway and therefore it is his wages which will be the problem and not anything Villa can control.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 02:50:31 PM
We've made our money on Bent just by staying up that season irrespective of how the media might like to spin it. If we can get a few quid and shed his salary job done. The bloke can't get into a Fulham side desperate for goals and points. Darren Bent it appears has lost any drive he once had as a professional footballer. Maybe it's just that his personal life is more important and he's made his money which is fine. But to expect to rise from the ashes in our cause, well it just isn't going to happen? I'm not entirely a believer in the approach we've take with the bomb squad, but in saying that I see no real value in most of them, including Bent. And I never thought I'd write that especially given the joy and fanfare when he signed and what he was able to do for us for a short time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on April 04, 2014, 03:27:45 PM
If Fonz, Marc and Gardner are released when their contracts expire this summer and given Holt and Bertrand's loans expire, not taking into account the younger players such as Grealish, Robinson, Johnson, Carruthers, Donacien, Burke, Drennan etc. i work out we still have a senior squad of 27 players
Given Guzan Steer
Lowton Hutton
Bennett Luna Stevens
Vlaar Okore Clark Baker
KEA Herd Westwood Delph Sylla Bacuna
N'Zogbia Tonev
Bent Benteke Kozak Helenius Bowery Weimann Agbonlahor
Four of these are bomb squad, so if we shift them that leaves 23, but surely this is still top heavy given reinforcements are needed.  I would have thought the maximum no. of senior players we'd want in the squad is 23 and we need at least 3 additions, so I think 3 further players over and above the bomb squad need shifting, but are we likely to sell 7 players in one window?  I think the last two summer windows we've only sold 1/2 players each time.  I wouldn't be sorry to see Herd, Bowery and N'Zogbia leave, likewise Luna if Bertrand signs permanently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 04, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
I still think there's a good player in N'Zogbia, but I think we'll attempt to sell him.

Could do with selling the likes of Given, Hutton, Bent and to a lesser extent Stevens.

I would be looking to sell Clark, maybe Luna, Herd (for his off field antics as much as anything) and Bowery.

Think Bennett, KEA, Sylla, Tonev and Helenius deserve another season to see if they play better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Don't be suprised if we actually signed Holte, Lambert likes his mates and yes men,
I reckon Hoolahan is virtually nailed on as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 04, 2014, 03:59:03 PM
Yes men?

All players are yes men, as there is only one boss in a dressing room.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Don't be suprised if we actually signed Holte, Lambert likes his mates and yes men,


Out of interest, what makes you say that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 04, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
I still think there's a good player in N'Zogbia, but I think we'll attempt to sell him.
I'm not sure who we would sell him to. If we assume that he's still on 'old strategy' wages (£40k? £45k?) I can't see any other club wanting to match them. He's still got two years left on his contract, so I don't see why he is going to want to move anywhere else for lower wages.

It's not like his sparkling form is going to persuade anybody that he is worth paying that sort of money for.

The one thing that I think could work in our favour is that he strikes me as somebody who is likely to suffer from Lee Hendrie syndrome - and that with probably one more good contact left in his career he might start to think that he needs to earn it. If my suspicion is correct then I'd rather he were doing that with us rather than out on loan somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 04:42:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to keep him, but it would be better business sense not to make it so obvious that you don't want him. If you want to sell an assett you don't want to indicate to the buyers that you place no value on it.

typically I'd say you're right but we'd be giving him away for free anyway and therefore it is his wages which will be the problem and not anything Villa can control.

I think it's more of a general thing than just Bent. We really need to stop isolating players we don't need, I think it's been proven that it doesn't help us get them off the books.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on April 04, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 04, 2014, 03:59:03 PM
Yes men?

All players are yes men, as there is only one boss in a dressing room.

With the notable exception of Danny Blanchflower of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on April 04, 2014, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 04:42:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to keep him, but it would be better business sense not to make it so obvious that you don't want him. If you want to sell an assett you don't want to indicate to the buyers that you place no value on it.

typically I'd say you're right but we'd be giving him away for free anyway and therefore it is his wages which will be the problem and not anything Villa can control.

I think it's more of a general thing than just Bent. We really need to stop isolating players we don't need, I think it's been proven that it doesn't help us get them off the books.

What's the alternative? I don't want to see them getting games ahead of more deserving players just to try and sell them, also we don't know what their attitudes are like in training.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on April 04, 2014, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on April 04, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 04, 2014, 03:59:03 PM
Yes men?

All players are yes men, as there is only one boss in a dressing room.

With the notable exception of Danny Blanchflower of course.

The chelsea players didn't seem to give a shit about one of their previous managers either
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: manic-road on April 04, 2014, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 04:42:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to keep him, but it would be better business sense not to make it so obvious that you don't want him. If you want to sell an assett you don't want to indicate to the buyers that you place no value on it.

typically I'd say you're right but we'd be giving him away for free anyway and therefore it is his wages which will be the problem and not anything Villa can control.

I think it's more of a general thing than just Bent. We really need to stop isolating players we don't need, I think it's been proven that it doesn't help us get them off the books.

What's the alternative? I don't want to see them getting games ahead of more deserving players just to try and sell them, also we don't know what their attitudes are like in training.

We don't have to be so public about it, for example Lambert's interview today. Other sides seem to manage it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:20:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Don't be suprised if we actually signed Holte, Lambert likes his mates and yes men,


Out of interest, what makes you say that?


I think he likes players he knows and has worked with in the past he feels safe with them about and maybe likes the comfort zone they offer

he would have signed Holt as soon as he joined but couldn't because of Norwich, but as soon as he was available from Wigan he was in there like a shot,
same with Hoolihan, time doesn't put lambert of and I think he will sign him at the season close

there is no one on here thought he would bring in Holt, but he did because he likes him, there is no one on here thinks he might sign him up at the end of the season, but I'm saying don't be surprised if he does

I honestly believe like MON he has his favourites and is blinded by their imperfections, Holt is one of them
I bet you don't think he will be here long term, but I also bet you didn't think he would sign him from Wigan either

anything can happen
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
There's a bit of a difference between a loan in January and a permanent signing. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
There's a bit of a difference between a loan in January and a permanent signing. 

yes, but Holt is his mate,
 he waited a year and a half for him then when Holt was playing in the premiership overweight and not many goals to his name, he still went and bought him in all be it on loan,
Why ?

if you want someone that badly when all conceivable evidence is that he isn't going to be good enough anymore, then don't put it past Lambert to sign him up on a one year contract or whatever
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Colhint on April 04, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Didn't he sign him on a 6 month loan because Kozak broke his leg?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
There's a bit of a difference between a loan in January and a permanent signing. 

yes, but Holt is his mate,
 he waited a year and a half for him then when Holt was playing in the premiership overweight and not many goals to his name, he still went and bought him in all be it on loan,
Why ?

if you want someone that badly when all conceivable evidence is that he isn't going to be good enough anymore, then don't put it past Lambert to sign him up on a one year contract or whatever
 

I don't know why; maybe he wanted a bit of cover for the run-in or maybe some experience rubbing off on the training ground. Either way there isn't a scrap of proof that he'll be bought in the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2014, 06:05:09 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:20:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Don't be suprised if we actually signed Holte, Lambert likes his mates and yes men,


Out of interest, what makes you say that?


I think he likes players he knows and has worked with in the past he feels safe with them about and maybe likes the comfort zone they offer

he would have signed Holt as soon as he joined but couldn't because of Norwich, but as soon as he was available from Wigan he was in there like a shot,


Do you really think he would have brought Holt in if Kozak had not got injured?

As for managers bringing in players they've worked with before, well that's hardly new is it? Allardyce has signed Kevin Nolan a few times, Crouch has played for Redknapp a couple of times, it happens and it will happen again no doubt. To me it just sounds like another stick to beat Lambert with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 04, 2014, 06:34:01 PM
I suppose Lambert might look at it and think that a temporary striker is in order this summer. Kozak will be coming back after a long injury. Benteke will miss pre-season you'd imagine. Bowery will probably never make it here. Helenius seems to be quietly getting pushed into the shadows and short of a strong pre-season for us may end up getting packed back off to Denmark on the cheap. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Lambert decided a one year deal for Holt would be a goer, either as another loan or a permanent.

I hope not because to be honest, much as Holt is a player Lambert knows and likes, he's also clearly over the hill and one good season at the top level proves Holt is capable at the top level in the same way that one good season proved MFH was.

But yeah, it probably won't happen, but if it did, I wouldn't be remotely surprised. A striker isn't a priority this summer, but an experienced back up might be in the back of Lamberts mind.

That said, Holts offered nothing on the pitch, and can he be offering that much off it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on April 04, 2014, 06:34:01 PM
A striker isn't a priority this summer...
That's my view even in the light of the bad news re Benteke.
If we focus our funds on getting stronger in MF and defence at the same time as giving Weimann, Gabby, Robinson and Kozak (fit again in July hopefully) some time to sharpen their striking skills, that would be the best use of resources.
Benteke will hopefully be fit and raring to go by mid September; it'll be like a new signing.

We'll also hopefully have Carruthers and Grealish back and pushing for first team appearances.

The real killer for me is all this wasted time with Helenius: if we'd had him out on loan somewhere, scoring goals and getting some gametime, he could have come back and shored up the fading front line ... seems like a big opportunity missed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Colhint on April 04, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Didn't he sign him on a 6 month loan because Kozak broke his leg?

If you believe some people he was brought in as a representation of the future, the dark, bleak, cold, windy future of Aston Villa. Where Lambert will sign his former players, mates of his who are all 30+ and past it. There's no way Holt was just added as a loan option to cover for injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Colhint on April 04, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Didn't he sign him on a 6 month loan because Kozak broke his leg?

If you believe some people he was brought in as a representation of the future, the dark, bleak, cold, windy future of Aston Villa. Where Lambert will sign his former players, mates of his who are all 30+ and past it. There's no way Holt was just added as a loan option to cover for injuries.

Indeed, that's the only explanation for Holt's £100k pw, 6-year contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: Montbert on April 04, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Colhint on April 04, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Didn't he sign him on a 6 month loan because Kozak broke his leg?

If you believe some people he was brought in as a representation of the future, the dark, bleak, cold, windy future of Aston Villa. Where Lambert will sign his former players, mates of his who are all 30+ and past it. There's no way Holt was just added as a loan option to cover for injuries.

Indeed, that's the only explanation for Holt's £100k pw, 6-year contract.

I think you are wrong Monty. I heard it is on par with Yaya, although Faulkner was going to offer him Rooney money had he not accepted because he is a moron at everything.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 04, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
I honestly believe that John has got a lot of man love for Holt...we spent 3 months listening to this same schtick the other summer, file under BS.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2014, 08:45:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: Montbert on April 04, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Colhint on April 04, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Didn't he sign him on a 6 month loan because Kozak broke his leg?

If you believe some people he was brought in as a representation of the future, the dark, bleak, cold, windy future of Aston Villa. Where Lambert will sign his former players, mates of his who are all 30+ and past it. There's no way Holt was just added as a loan option to cover for injuries.

Indeed, that's the only explanation for Holt's £100k pw, 6-year contract.

I think you are wrong Monty. I heard it is on par with Yaya, although Faulkner was going to offer him Rooney money had he not accepted because he is a moron at everything.

Holt can't actually count as high as the Rooney money, so they made do with Yaya.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: Montbert on April 04, 2014, 08:45:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: Montbert on April 04, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Colhint on April 04, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Didn't he sign him on a 6 month loan because Kozak broke his leg?

If you believe some people he was brought in as a representation of the future, the dark, bleak, cold, windy future of Aston Villa. Where Lambert will sign his former players, mates of his who are all 30+ and past it. There's no way Holt was just added as a loan option to cover for injuries.

Indeed, that's the only explanation for Holt's £100k pw, 6-year contract.

I think you are wrong Monty. I heard it is on par with Yaya, although Faulkner was going to offer him Rooney money had he not accepted because he is a moron at everything.

Holt can't actually count as high as the Rooney money, so they made do with Yaya.

Now that I believe
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 04, 2014, 08:51:48 PM
Will Kozak be back in August?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 04, 2014, 08:51:48 PM
Will Kozak be back in August?

Looks that way. He's said to be doing quite well already. We still need another striker to upgrade on Weimann anyway, but hopefully with N'zog also returning there will some decent supply options for Kozak
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on April 04, 2014, 08:56:27 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with giving your mate £300K a week contract especially if you mate is super super Grant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 04, 2014, 08:57:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2014, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 04, 2014, 08:51:48 PM
Will Kozak be back in August?

Looks that way. He's said to be doing quite well already. We still need another striker to upgrade on Weimann anyway, but hopefully with N'zog also returning there will some decent supply options for Kozak

I doubt if N'Zogbia has a future at Villa. I'd be very surprised to see him in a Villa shirt again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
There's a bit of a difference between a loan in January and a permanent signing. 

yes, but Holt is his mate,
 he waited a year and a half for him then when Holt was playing in the premiership overweight and not many goals to his name, he still went and bought him in all be it on loan,
Why ?

if you want someone that badly when all conceivable evidence is that he isn't going to be good enough anymore, then don't put it past Lambert to sign him up on a one year contract or whatever
 

I don't know why; maybe he wanted a bit of cover for the run-in or maybe some experience rubbing off on the training ground. Either way there isn't a scrap of proof that he'll be bought in the summer.


I didn't say there was any evidence,
 I was just stating I wouldn't be suprised if he did sign, only an opinion
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on April 04, 2014, 09:04:16 PM
Regrettably I think you are right John.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2014, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
There's a bit of a difference between a loan in January and a permanent signing. 

yes, but Holt is his mate,
 he waited a year and a half for him then when Holt was playing in the premiership overweight and not many goals to his name, he still went and bought him in all be it on loan,
Why ?

if you want someone that badly when all conceivable evidence is that he isn't going to be good enough anymore, then don't put it past Lambert to sign him up on a one year contract or whatever
 

I don't know why; maybe he wanted a bit of cover for the run-in or maybe some experience rubbing off on the training ground. Either way there isn't a scrap of proof that he'll be bought in the summer.


I didn't say there was any evidence,
 I was just stating I wouldn't be suprised if he did sign, only an opinion

Yes, but an opinion which is a conjecture of fact is a strange thing to hold with no evidence. As to why he brought him in when he did, I think the striker with the broken leg might have been a clue.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 04, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
I honestly believe that John has got a lot of man love for Holt...we spent 3 months listening to this same schtick the other summer, file under BS.


I said Lambert wanted to sign Holt when he became manager

He's sitting on the subs bench mate, so much for the bullshit,
I was out on the timescale, you were out on the whole thing

I'd say that makes you the one full of bullshit
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on April 04, 2014, 09:07:18 PM
I was agreeing with SH's opinion that Charles N'Zogbia is probably history as a Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:09:20 PM
Quote from: Montbert on April 04, 2014, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
There's a bit of a difference between a loan in January and a permanent signing. 

yes, but Holt is his mate,
 he waited a year and a half for him then when Holt was playing in the premiership overweight and not many goals to his name, he still went and bought him in all be it on loan,
Why ?

if you want someone that badly when all conceivable evidence is that he isn't going to be good enough anymore, then don't put it past Lambert to sign him up on a one year contract or whatever
 

I don't know why; maybe he wanted a bit of cover for the run-in or maybe some experience rubbing off on the training ground. Either way there isn't a scrap of proof that he'll be bought in the summer.


I didn't say there was any evidence,
 I was just stating I wouldn't be suprised if he did sign, only an opinion

Yes, but an opinion which is a conjecture of fact is a strange thing to hold with no evidence. As to why he brought him in when he did, I think the striker with the broken leg might have been a clue.


The evidence not that I need any to just have a opinion, is that he's already here on loan,
So Lambert must rate him more than anyone else does on here or he wouldn't have bought him in

It's not impossible to think that because he loaned him he won't want to sign him, especially now we have striker problems that will continue into next year

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on April 04, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
That would suggest two attacking midfielders. I wouldn't be adverse to that as long as we still bagged that midfield beast too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 04, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
I honestly believe that John has got a lot of man love for Holt...we spent 3 months listening to this same schtick the other summer, file under BS.


I said Lambert wanted to sign Holt when he became manager

He's sitting on the subs bench mate, so much for the bullshit,
I was out on the timescale, you were out on the whole thing

I'd say that makes you the one full of bullshit

Less of it please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2014, 06:05:09 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 05:20:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Don't be suprised if we actually signed Holte, Lambert likes his mates and yes men,


Out of interest, what makes you say that?


I think he likes players he knows and has worked with in the past he feels safe with them about and maybe likes the comfort zone they offer

he would have signed Holt as soon as he joined but couldn't because of Norwich, but as soon as he was available from Wigan he was in there like a shot,


Do you really think he would have brought Holt in if Kozak had not got injured?

As for managers bringing in players they've worked with before, well that's hardly new is it? Allardyce has signed Kevin Nolan a few times, Crouch has played for Redknapp a couple of times, it happens and it will happen again no doubt. To me it just sounds like another stick to beat Lambert with.


Why would I want to beat Lambert with a stick, I've supported him since day one,
I'm one of the original happy clappers
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: john e on April 04, 2014, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 04, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
I honestly believe that John has got a lot of man love for Holt...we spent 3 months listening to this same schtick the other summer, file under BS.


I said Lambert wanted to sign Holt when he became manager

He's sitting on the subs bench mate, so much for the bullshit,
I was out on the timescale, you were out on the whole thing

I'd say that makes you the one full of bullshit

Less of it please.



He started it sir
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
Re: N'Zogbia - it's amazing how people's opinions of a player change when they're not in the first team for a long time. I still remember him as a frustrating player who kept their head down and always tried to take it past one too many players before giving the ball away and then not chasing back. A very over-rated player who was bought at great cost because of one good spell where he helped Wigan to survival. Hardly worth pinning all your hopes on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2014, 12:36:48 AM
Quote from: OCD on April 04, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
Re: N'Zogbia - it's amazing how people's opinions of a player change when they're not in the first team for a long time. I still remember him as a frustrating player who kept their head down and always tried to take it past one too many players before giving the ball away and then not chasing back. A very over-rated player who was bought at great cost because of one good spell where he helped Wigan to survival. Hardly worth pinning all your hopes on.
I think it's probably the promise of what he's capable of on his day. Very talented player but the application has rarely ever been there unfortunately. He can do the utterly sublime, but of course, as we've seen, and every other club bar 6 months at Wigan, he doesn't do it with any sort of consistency.
That said there've been games this season where we've been crying out for a bit of potential, unexpected quality which too few of our squad can produce. Technically he's very good. The ball sticks to his feet. He's frustrating though, you know what he can do, but like when we had Ginola we only got very brief glimpses.

Bar Benteke he's possibly the best footballer at the club.

I definitely wouldn't put him in the better when he's out the side category like Cueller for example. Who lets face it, really was a bit gash. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on April 05, 2014, 05:09:00 AM
It's probably about here someone should bring up Reo-Coker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: brian green on April 04, 2014, 09:07:18 PM
I was agreeing with SH's opinion that Charles N'Zogbia is probably history as a Villa player.
I think this is right - I, for one, have always been critical of N'Zog: not for his ability but for his application. And it's that last bit which will signal Lambert's offloading of him if at all possible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on April 05, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I'll look back fondly on Cueller, not so with N'zogbia.

Carlos always gave his all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: Malandro on April 05, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I'll look back fondly on Cueller, not so with N'zogbia.

Carlos always gave his all.
That's true.
We've rarely been able to afford the double whammy of immense talent, and great work ethic. Sadly those players cost an absolute fortune. Some of the mercurial "talents" we've had over the years have been immensely disappointing. Just thinking back to Curcic, Collymore, Ginola, Hadji and Zogbia to name a few. Oh and Gustavo Bartelt of course! Ha ha.
As bobbins as Heskey was I have a certain fondness for him because he always tried hard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 05, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Apparently we wanted Holtby but he was out of price range. So he went to Fulham.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on April 05, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Hotlby has struggled to get into their side hasn't he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 05, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 05, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Apparently we wanted Holtby but he was out of price range. So he went to Fulham.

Couldn't afford his wages. Oh dear!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on April 05, 2014, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 05, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 05, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Apparently we wanted Holtby but he was out of price range. So he went to Fulham.

Couldn't afford his wages. Oh dear!

He has been their best player this season by a mile, but a fat lot of good it did them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: Malandro on April 05, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I'll look back fondly on Cueller, not so with N'zogbia.

Carlos always gave his all.

I look at Cuellar, and then I look at Luna and wonder how we could have ended up with the only two Spanish players on the planet with zero technical ability, in an era where they all seem to have great technical ability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on April 05, 2014, 02:25:46 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 05, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 05, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Apparently we wanted Holtby but he was out of price range. So he went to Fulham.

Couldn't afford his wages. Oh dear!

He is on a huge wedge though, as he was going there on a bosman but Spurs paid a million to take him in Jan instead. Must be 75k a week plus.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: Malandro on April 05, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I'll look back fondly on Cueller, not so with N'zogbia.

Carlos always gave his all.

I look at Cuellar, and then I look at Luna and wonder how we could have ended up with the only two Spanish players on the planet with zero technical ability, in an era where they all seem to have great technical ability.
I've often wondered this too. I can't wait for us to one day sign Brazils answer to Nigel Reo Coker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 05, 2014, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: supertom on April 05, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: Malandro on April 05, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I'll look back fondly on Cueller, not so with N'zogbia.

Carlos always gave his all.

I look at Cuellar, and then I look at Luna and wonder how we could have ended up with the only two Spanish players on the planet with zero technical ability, in an era where they all seem to have great technical ability.
I've often wondered this too. I can't wait for us to one day sign Brazils answer to Nigel Reo Coker.

Wasn't Brazil's answer to NRC "No, thanks, you're alright" whilst sniggering into their 'kerchief?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 05, 2014, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: supertom on April 05, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: Malandro on April 05, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I'll look back fondly on Cueller, not so with N'zogbia.

Carlos always gave his all.

I look at Cuellar, and then I look at Luna and wonder how we could have ended up with the only two Spanish players on the planet with zero technical ability, in an era where they all seem to have great technical ability.
I've often wondered this too. I can't wait for us to one day sign Brazils answer to Nigel Reo Coker.

Wasn't Brazil's answer to NRC "No, thanks, you're alright" whilst sniggering into their 'kerchief?
It was probably Inter and AC Milans answer too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
I would say on todays evidence (not that we needed any further indication) 5-6 decent players need to be bought. Our first 11 isn't good enough as is, but the squad is very poor. No strength in depth whatsoever.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on April 06, 2014, 01:56:30 AM
Quote from: supertom on April 05, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
I would say on todays evidence (not that we needed any further indication) 5-6 decent players need to be bought. Our first 11 isn't good enough as is, but the squad is very poor. No strength in depth whatsoever.

true, our squad is shocking. Just looking at the names in our squad, most of them arent championship standard.

time to cash in on the likes of clark, baker, weimann, lowton and bennett while they still have some resale value. Should get Championship teams or maybe newly promoted ones interested in them. think herd, albrighton, fonz and gardner are gone from the wage bill in the summer. hasnt worked out for them.

I think better alternatives to injury prone senior players like Vlaar and Gabby need to be considered too. If we have to raise cash to finance deals then those two can go.

Chelsea, Spurs and United will be gutting their squads this summer. Might pick up a few bargains - Young, Cleverely, Evans, Hernandez, Ba, Dawson, Sigurdsson, Holtby should all be available. If that lad Garry Monk stays in charge of Swansea, a load of their players will be looking to leave.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on April 06, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 05, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 05, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Apparently we wanted Holtby but he was out of price range. So he went to Fulham.

Couldn't afford his wages. Oh dear!
It doesn't necessarily say that, does it?

He'll be paid the wages that his Spurs contract stipulate. How much Spurs are paying and how much Fulham are paying is the question, plus what loan fee Fulham will have paid for the privilege.

Given the rumours last summer that Fulham were not only covering Bent's full wages but also paying us £2m as a loan fee, it wouldn't surprise me if Spurs are doing extremely well out of the Holtby loan.

And given the clauses that we know for a fact Spurs insisted on when they loaned us Jenas, it stands up that we might not have agreed to be as accommodating as Fulham are. And based on past history, with good reason.

Looking on the bright side, it suggests that he does actually realise that he needs to sign a player of that ilk (assuming he's here long enough to do it)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on April 06, 2014, 03:57:02 PM
I don't know how much Lambert does realise we need players like Holtby. If we've gone for them and been put off by wage demands, I really feel we haven't tried hard enough on other targets. I think Lambert would rather bank his hopes on cheaper players coming good and saving up his transfer kitty for a rainy day than spending slightly more on better quality now and possibly having less to spend later.

I think that you buy a player like Holtby now, you won't have to spend later, but that's where me, Lambert and Faulkner differ.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on April 06, 2014, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 06, 2014, 03:57:02 PM
I don't know how much Lambert does realise we need players like Holtby. If we've gone for them and been put off by wage demands, I really feel we haven't tried hard enough on other targets. I think Lambert would rather bank his hopes on cheaper players coming good and saving up his transfer kitty for a rainy day than spending slightly more on better quality now and possibly having less to spend later.

I think that you buy a player like Holtby now, you won't have to spend later, but that's where me, Lambert and Faulkner differ.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on April 07, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Just a quick cut and paste from a "gossip column"...file under "no shit Sherlock":

Darren Bent will leave Fulham at the end of the season - even if they stay up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on April 07, 2014, 12:15:48 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on April 07, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Just a quick cut and paste from a "gossip column"...file under "no shit Sherlock":

Darren Bent will leave Fulham at the end of the season - even if they stay up

Loan player to return to parent club at the end of the season. Wow, that's surprising!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on April 07, 2014, 12:51:19 PM
Bent could outlive Lambert at the Villa.  Who'd have thunk it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on April 07, 2014, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 07, 2014, 12:51:19 PM
Bent could outlive Lambert at the Villa.  Who'd have thunk it?
If someone takes over in June, they inherit N'Zogbia and Bent who could yet prove very useful. Benteke needs time to recover. We might not see him till late this year. Kozak is in recovery still, he might not be able to have a full solid pre-season. Bent's not the player he was by any stretch, but give him a good pre-season, and whilst we're paying his wages, use him. If no one buys him, or takes his wages for his final year, then why not play him? There's worse impact players we could have on our bench.
Same goes for Given. If he's here. Use him. He's a good pro and a good keeper who'd be safer back up than Steer at this point.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: glasses on April 07, 2014, 01:25:10 PM
Steady on Supertom. That would be the logical thing to do. This is Villa we're talking about.

Lets make them polish the youth teams boots and wash the toilets. They won't want to play for us then so we can just pay them to play for someone else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 07, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 07, 2014, 12:51:19 PM
Bent could outlive Lambert at the Villa.  Who'd have thunk it?

Ah, the refreshing thought of a new manager, wingers playing and a goal poacher putting the ball in the net

Bliss.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on May 01, 2014, 11:19:40 AM
More to continue the thread & provide some light distraction than anything else  but here is some Transfer speculation from today,s press , for what its worth............Godzvilla!

TELEGRAPH :"Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert is pressing ahead with his transfer plans for next season and has identified Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Lewis Holtby as a priority signing.

Lambert’s position as manager remains uncertain ahead of a possible takeover but he is still compiling targets for this summer, with Holtby top of his wishlist.

Lambert wants to make a £6 million bid for the Germany international, who has impressed on loan at Fulham, and is also keen to join the race for Manchester City defender Joleon Lescott. Lambert has come under heavy fire from supporters this season after a second successive campaign of struggle, with Villa still in grave danger of relegation to the Championship.

However, the Scot is determined to remain in charge even if chairman Randy Lerner sells the club and aims to make quality signings to improve his squad if they survive the drop" 

DAILY STAR ( Yes , I know ! ) They are linking us with Hernandez at Manure [/b]
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2014, 11:37:37 AM
Well all three of those would improve our squad a lot, but I imagine all of their wages would be vastly outside our scope.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
The treatment of the bomb squad confuses me. I would sooner have Given as a back up keeper/coach than Steer on the bench. N'Zogbia is definitely worth a place in our match day eighteen. Bent hasn't pulled up any trees this season at Fulham but with Benteke out until maybe Christmas and Kozak not necessarily fit for the start of the season we would be better off playing him until they are back and then looking to loan him to free up wages rather than spend money on another striker and probably still have to pay Bent as well. I think Bent's best days are behind him but for the sake of one more season I will take him over Holt or Bowery. As for Helenius, for some reason he looks like being another Balaban or Berson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2014, 11:37:37 AM
Well all three of those would improve our squad a lot, but I imagine all of their wages would be vastly outside our scope.

I think Hernandez would definitely come under the category of a special case which has been hinted at when it comes to paying wages. I would imagine Lescott would be something like a two year deal which should be manageable. I am not sure we would necessarily need him with Okore back but his experience and winning mentality would be a boost around the club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 01, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
I want to know more than anything else what the fuck is the problem over Helenius. We can't even judge the poor lad, all I know is I have no faith anymore in Holt, Weimann and Gabby. Why bother buying him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 01, 2014, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 11:44:27 AM
I think Hernandez would definitely come under the category of a special case which has been hinted at when it comes to paying wages.

Agreed. He's a cracking player with a fantastic attitude that's been wasted at the Plastics. I'd love to see him playing for the Villa. My guess though is he'll be off to Spain.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
No chance on any of them in the current regime to be honest.

I'd definitely like to see Holtby and Hernandez here. Both would improve us a great deal. Hernandez playing off Benteke would be potentially brilliant.

Don't think we'll see either, barring a takeover.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 01, 2014, 11:57:02 AM
I thought Holtby was one of the players Mumbles said he wanted but couldn't afford? Even with a takeover, I can't see him coming, sounds like the sort of stuff Doug made his own just to keep fans on side and season ticket sales coming through.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2014, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 01, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
I want to know more than anything else what the fuck is the problem over Helenius. We can't even judge the poor lad, all I know is I have no faith anymore in Holt, Weimann and Gabby. Why bother buying him?
It's bizarre. His last appearance was Sheff Utd in the cup. He came on, impressed (at least in comparison to his team mates that day) and more importantly scored a goal. That confidence would have been great to build on, but Lambert hasn't played the lad since. He's made 3 sub appearences in the league. Bowery's played more this season. It's ridiculous.
I mean at the end of the day, Bowery was a League 2 also-ran, Helenius scored regularly in the Danish top flight and has appeared for the national side.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2014, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
N'Zogbia is definitely worth a place in our match day eighteen.
Even when he can't run?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2014, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
N'Zogbia is definitely worth a place in our match day eighteen.
Even when he can't run?

The obvious punchline to that is at the moment yes. What I meant was the signs were that he was going to be frozen out even before his injury.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sid1964 on May 01, 2014, 12:19:37 PM
I just cannot see any of the 3 joining us, these players will be looking to play for clubs who are towards the top of the league, rather than fighting relegation

Reminds me of Ellis, saying just before season tickets went on sale....."you watch what we do in the summer" 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 01, 2014, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 01, 2014, 12:19:37 PM
I just cannot see any of the 3 joining us, these players will be looking to play for clubs who are towards the top of the league, rather than fighting relegation

Reminds me of Ellis, saying just before season tickets went on sale....."you watch what we do in the summer" 

Exactly, it's just a ruse to encourage season ticket sales.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villain1874 on May 01, 2014, 12:43:42 PM
I usually enjoy reading our speculation threads but at this moment in time we have such big questions hanging over our heads I'm finding it difficult to even think about new players arriving at Villa Park...

The questions that need to be answered..

1: Is Aston Villa F.C up for sale?

1a: If Aston Villa is up for sale have new owners been found or how many interested parties are there?

1b: If Aston Villa F.C are not for sale what is Randy Lerner's plans for moving us forward and will he commit to investing more money into the playing staff?

2: Will Paul Lambert remain Aston Villa manager if we manage to stay in the Premier League and will he remain manager if there is a take over?

I want these questions answered before I think about anything else because the answers that we get could make a huge difference to who we sign and how the club moves forward...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2014, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 01, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
N'Zogbia is definitely worth a place in our match day eighteen.
Even when he can't run?

The obvious punchline to that is at the moment yes. What I meant was the signs were that he was going to be frozen out even before his injury.
The only real sign that I can see is that he was given a shirt-number that didn't befit a first-team player. But I still feel that could be due to them knowing he wouldn't play this season.

Unlike Hutton and Bent there was no real sign of him being frozen out - he played 28 games last season and was part of the squad pretty much through the end, prior to his injury over the summer.

He doesn't seem to fit the M.O of the other players that it was clear we were trying to get rid out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2014, 12:46:06 PM
People aren't going to believe it until it happens. And rightly so. But much will depend on the ownership, and naturally all of this is hypothetical based on players the current manager might want. If ownership/manager changes all of the targets could change. But as for these kinds of players wanting to coming to us, I absolutely think they would. We're a big club in the PL with the potential to be a lot bigger. Perspectives are reset to a point when the season ends. If the money is right and the objectives are clear then you can attract very good players. The key piece will be what our objectives are once the season ends. It will pretty much dictate everything.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on May 01, 2014, 12:54:44 PM
If we stay up and there isn't a significant spend on the squad (we need a new defence and midfield), then we'll go down next year after a season-long battering.

The squad is crap and that's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2014, 01:00:41 PM
As F365 put it:

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The Sun's resident Scot Graeme Bryce has long been a cheerleader for Aston Villa's resident (for now) Scot Paul Lambert.
 
In July Bryce wrote: 'NEVER mind Christian Benteke. If I was Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner I would be drawing up a lucrative new contract for Paul Lambert pronto.'
 
And in January he wrote a really quite preposterous column claiming that Lambert was doing a better job at Aston Villa than Mauricio Pochettino at Southampton.
 
You could say he is a fan.
 
So Mediawatch is not surprised to find that it is Bryce breaking the 'exclusive' news that Lambert wants to sign Javier Hernandez, Joleon Lescott and Lewis Holtby this summer. Where on earth could he have got that information? Who would possibly benefit from releasing an eye-catching but incredibly unlikely list of summer targets for Villa? Targets that will 'excite Villa fans', no less.

If Mediawatch were the cynical type we would think....oh sod it, we are the cynical type...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on May 01, 2014, 01:12:36 PM
1. Randy Lerner will not give Lambert a penny to buy new players if he intends to sell the club within a couple of months.
2. If he does sell ,the new owners will wish to give Lambert his P45 and install a new manager who will then ask for the finance to buy his own choice of players.

Simple really
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 01, 2014, 01:13:55 PM
Yep, they're names that are just believable enough to get a few people exited.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on May 01, 2014, 01:14:28 PM
Wasn't there a list released a few weeks back of last summer's targets?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 01, 2014, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 01, 2014, 01:13:55 PM
Yep, they're names that are just believable enough to get a few people exited.



Quite the opposite effect then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 01, 2014, 01:43:24 PM
what annoys me most is the transparent stupidity of this type of bullshit. they really think people's head's button up the back. Now, where's my needle and thread..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on May 01, 2014, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 01, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
I want to know more than anything else what the fuck is the problem over Helenius. We can't even judge the poor lad, all I know is I have no faith anymore in Holt, Weimann and Gabby. Why bother buying him?

Re Helenius  , I found this article by Matt Hendrick , dated 07.April , apparently he had/ has been out with an injury and was due to start training soon after the Article was printed .
We certainly miss some height in an attack that has essentially been built around a big Central Striker ( Benteke / Kozak ) . Whether or not he is fit to play yet is a matter of conjecture ....................Godzvilla!

"Aston Villa's Nicklas Helenius ready to return to training
•   Apr 07, 2014 08:50
•   By Mat Kendrick
Paul Lambert reveals Denmark international has been laid low by injury but is ready to challenge for Benteke's place
Nicklas Helenius is ready to resume training this week after Paul Lambert revealed the forgotten forward has been battling an injury.
Helenius has not made a single appearance for Villa since stepping off the substitutes’ bench to score his only competitive goal for the club  in the FA Cup exit against Sheffield United at Villa Park at the start of January.
The 22-year-old Denmark international striker has yet to start a game for Villa following his move from Aalborg last summer and has been restricted to three Premier League substitute cameos and three in the cups.
Lambert says Helenius has been laid low by injury in recent weeks, but is near to fitness and ready to challenge for a strike role in Christian Benteke’s absence.
Nicklas has had a thigh strain, an abductor strain, so he might train the start of the week,” said Lambert. “He’s had little injuries that have kept him out for a bit, but hopefully he’ll train this week.”
Asked if the blow to Benteke will boost Helenius’s prospects of match action this season and next, Lambert praised Grant Holt’s contribution against Fulham and replied: “There is a chance for Nicklas, but I thought Holty was good against Fulham.
“To be fair to Grant, I thought he was excellent. I thought it was a really good goal, he led the line really well.
“He hasn’t played much football, so his contribution is great. The rest will know that there’s a chance when Christian’s not there.”
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 01, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
Exactly Supertom, there is zero logic to it whatsoever. I really thought he'd get a run of games after the Sheffield game.

Cheers godzvilla, not seen that article before. I hate how quick he was to basically dismiss Helenius when asked if Benteke's injury will lead to more appearances he suddenly turns to talking about 'Holty'. Just fuck him and get it over and done with. That's what I read into it anyway 😃
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Left Side on May 01, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
Interesting that these names get dropped when it is time for ST renewals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villain1874 on May 01, 2014, 05:07:53 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/473441/Aston-Villa-NEED-to-chase-Hernandez-Lescott-and-Holtby-this-summer-Paul-Lambert

Thought I would share  :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 01, 2014, 05:24:33 PM
Altidore would be the signing to show we mean business.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
We need big players, but we also need a better manager. There's no way in hell he can survive this season, surely - I know it's been tough, but Christ he's made it tougher than it needed to be, and duller.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
We need big players, but we also need a better manager. There's no way in hell he can survive this season, surely - I know it's been tough, but Christ he's made it tougher than it needed to be, and duller.

20 defeats in one season (and that's with still three left to play). If he survives that, he's one very lucky bloke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 01, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
We need big players, but we also need a better manager. There's no way in hell he can survive this season, surely - I know it's been tough, but Christ he's made it tougher than it needed to be, and duller.

20 defeats in one season (and that's with still three left to play). If he survives that, he's one very lucky bloke.

We've lost the majority of our home league games. More than 50% of the time we've played on our own ground we haven't just failed to win, we've actually lost. This is disgraceful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2014, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 01, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
We need big players, but we also need a better manager. There's no way in hell he can survive this season, surely - I know it's been tough, but Christ he's made it tougher than it needed to be, and duller.

20 defeats in one season (and that's with still three left to play). If he survives that, he's one very lucky bloke.

We've lost the majority of our home league games. More than 50% of the time we've played on our own ground we haven't just failed to win, we've actually lost. This is disgraceful.

you would have to think if we are sold then any new group buying us would do their due diligence and look at the playing results, and especially at VP over the past two seasons and come to the conclusion that it is hugely shit. That should, I would hope, help make their decision on manager a little easier.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on May 01, 2014, 06:23:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2014, 06:17:34 PM
you would have to think if we are sold then any new group buying us would do their due diligence and look at the playing results, and especially at VP over the past two seasons and come to the conclusion that it is hugely shit. That should, I would hope, help make their decision on manager a little easier.

The rumour that Lambert's safe on Lerner's recommendation to the prospective new owners always struck me as odd. Quite apart from the absolutely catastrophic record, why would (especially American) sports club owners listen to anything Randy Lerner has to say about on-pitch matters? I like him and am so disappointed it hasn't worked out, but my God is his record bad, and bad in two countries and two sports.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 06:23:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2014, 06:17:34 PM
you would have to think if we are sold then any new group buying us would do their due diligence and look at the playing results, and especially at VP over the past two seasons and come to the conclusion that it is hugely shit. That should, I would hope, help make their decision on manager a little easier.

The rumour that Lambert's safe on Lerner's recommendation to the prospective new owners always struck me as odd. Quite apart from the absolutely catastrophic record, why would (especially American) sports club owners listen to anything Randy Lerner has to say about on-pitch matters? I like him and am so disappointed it hasn't worked out, but my God is his record bad, and bad in two countries and two sports.

yeh, I don't believe that rumour for one second. If I am parting with the best part of 200m then I am doing my homework on a number of levels to establish who is going to spend money that I will be providing for the future. Had Lambert achieved mid table safety by now, I think even with an ownership change his remaining as manager could have been justified. Solid second season, playing decent football, with the right help push on to a Europa place etc etc. Not when we are about to finish the season in what will likely be 15th position or lower. I know stats only tell a piece of the story, but what a story!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2014, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 01, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 01, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
We need big players, but we also need a better manager. There's no way in hell he can survive this season, surely - I know it's been tough, but Christ he's made it tougher than it needed to be, and duller.

20 defeats in one season (and that's with still three left to play). If he survives that, he's one very lucky bloke.

We've lost the majority of our home league games. More than 50% of the time we've played on our own ground we haven't just failed to win, we've actually lost. This is disgraceful.

Not only that, but we can't really say we have been unlucky in losing any of those games.  You could even make a case for us being lucky to win some of the ones we did. 

We've been dreadful over too long a period of time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2014, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: Villain1874 on May 01, 2014, 05:07:53 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/473441/Aston-Villa-NEED-to-chase-Hernandez-Lescott-and-Holtby-this-summer-Paul-Lambert

Thought I would share  :)

too little too late from him though

last summer if the board were getting stiffy about getting Gareth Barry in loan, that was the time to start raising it publicly or else letting it leak through well placed media sources that he was unhappy

his managerial career looks absolute toast now and he is trying to hang on for the sake of his career
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 01, 2014, 09:02:30 PM
I assume he will resign if the owners do not agree?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2014, 12:39:17 AM
Quote from: Villain1874 on May 01, 2014, 05:07:53 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/473441/Aston-Villa-NEED-to-chase-Hernandez-Lescott-and-Holtby-this-summer-Paul-Lambert

Thought I would share  :)

Lescott - plausible - there is a Villa link albeit a fairly tenuous one

Holtby - doubtful - probably get another chance at Spurs under their new manager

Hernandez - no way Jose - would have interest from major clubs across Europe and beyond
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on May 02, 2014, 02:12:11 AM
Going against the grain of everything they've been preaching for years. Sounds like a manager readying his escape route.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frank black on May 02, 2014, 06:51:39 AM
Either Lambert knows there's going to be significant investment  or perhaps a new owner. Or he is forcing his dismissal.

Talking up these kind of players when he knows they are out if reach, is only going to wind up the chairman.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2014, 07:39:43 AM
TSM 1 did exactly the same thing at exactly the same stage in his season and we all know what happened next. I'm hoping history repeats itself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on May 02, 2014, 08:38:46 AM
Lambert would be a fool to resign even it is morally the right thing to do. He will hang on until either Randy or the possible new owners sack him. Then he will get his lovely lolly. But his reputation as an up and coming manager of promise has been damaged badly at Villa Park
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2014, 08:41:45 AM
I prefer this more candid Lambert.  Before he tried so hard to NOT say anything that he came across as a bit of a bumbling idiot (that does not excuse his other failings but at least suggests he is not nuts and under more normal conditions may rejuvinate his career).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2014, 09:14:58 AM
I agree completely with what Lambert says there, because whether it's this year or next or the one after the current policy will see us relegated sooner or later.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on May 02, 2014, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2014, 09:14:58 AM
I agree completely with what Lambert says there, because whether it's this year or next or the one after the current policy will see us relegated sooner or later.

I agree too. But this means he is on his way out and knows it. They are the words of a man with nothing to lose who is readying his excuses for failure. He had a good reputation before he joined us and will need to salvage something to take into the job market.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Problem is it doesn't matter who the manager is, if we continue with this policy we are done for. I think Lambert should go, but another manager coming in with the same constraints will struggle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on May 02, 2014, 09:52:53 AM
Tony Pulis wouldnt
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2014, 10:23:51 AM
Tony Pulis was struggling at Stoke at the end and that was actually with some decent investment....8.5m on Palacios for example.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on May 02, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Lambert will stay and we'll spend good money this summer. We will bring in at least two quality signings that will excite the fans.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2014, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2014, 10:23:51 AM
Tony Pulis was struggling at Stoke at the end and that was actually with some decent investment....8.5m on Palacios for example.

8.5 million for Palacious is "Beye-esque."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 02, 2014, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Smirker on May 02, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Lambert will stay and we'll spend good money this summer. We will bring in at least two quality signings that will excite the fans.




 Moaner alert.
Having Lambert as manager would negate most of the excitement of two signings. He's a shit manager and will soon coach them down to his level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on May 02, 2014, 11:44:50 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 02, 2014, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Smirker on May 02, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Lambert will stay and we'll spend good money this summer. We will bring in at least two quality signings that will excite the fans.




 Moaner alert.
Having Lambert as manager would negate most of the excitement of two signings. He's a shit manager and will soon coach them down to his level.

I don't disagree but I do think we will show some ambition this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 02, 2014, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Smirker on May 02, 2014, 11:44:50 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 02, 2014, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Smirker on May 02, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Lambert will stay and we'll spend good money this summer. We will bring in at least two quality signings that will excite the fans.




 Moaner alert.
Having Lambert as manager would negate most of the excitement of two signings. He's a shit manager and will soon coach them down to his level.

I don't disagree but I do think we will show some ambition this summer.

If we have any ambition at all they'll employ a good manager first and let him pick his own players. I'd hate to get to Christmas again with this joker in charge and a new guy come in with nothing to spend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 02, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: Richard E on May 02, 2014, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2014, 10:23:51 AM
Tony Pulis was struggling at Stoke at the end and that was actually with some decent investment....8.5m on Palacios for example.

8.5 million for Palacious is "Beye-esque."

I'd say its more N'Zogbia esq myself, but we can say this in hind sight becasue both looked very good players at Wigan, particularly N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 02, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
Just two?  We need several.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
Lambert genuinely cares about the club. I think he knows what a good piece of the fix is, and he has been restricted in his ability to do this. The question remains is he the man to take us forward? I would rather we just make a complete change, because the club and fans need it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on May 02, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
Lambert genuinely cares about the club. I think he knows what a good piece of the fix is, and he has been restricted in his ability to do this. The question remains is he the man to take us forward? I would rather we just make a complete change, because the club and fans need it.

I agree Toronto.  I posted on here a long time ago that Paul Lambert gets us and, what the club and its history is all about.  Whether that is enough to keep him in a job, I think not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 02, 2014, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
Lambert genuinely cares about the club

I'm sure he does. But it's not a qualification that's needed to manage the club.

Get rid of the fucker NOW
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on May 02, 2014, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
Lambert genuinely cares about the club

I'm sure he does. But it's not a qualification that's needed to manage the club.

Get rid of the fucker NOW

I know it's your mantra, but the post you cut that out of managed to say the same thing in a slightly more dignified way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 02, 2014, 05:48:37 PM
I think Aston Villa should tell Paul Lambert to look at his methods, and increase funding for wages and transfer kitty and tell stop buying cheap rubbish players and focus on getting quality in and change the coaching staff and methods. We need quality especially in midfield and get more playmakers all over the field. If he is not prepared to do what required then we need someone in.  It is a shame we don't have a veteran ex manager in the club to help him out ie Big Ron. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 02, 2014, 05:53:53 PM
I think we were unlucky to lose to Everton. That's the only unfortunate home loss I can think of.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 12:38:10 AM
Now that Fulham and Cardiff are down I really want us to try and nab Caulker and Daehli from Cardiff.

Caulker is extremely promising and he would improve our defence ten-fold, what with Okore coming back too. I'd go as high as £12m to get him in, he could be a fixture in our team for the next 10 years.

Daehli would certainly add creativity to our side. Him, Grealish and Carruthers to bring through gradually over next season and we're sure to be onto a winner with at least one of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
Caulker is a good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 01:42:05 AM
Sigurdsson from Spurs is a player I think would do well with us. Others like Redmond, Mulumbu, De Guzman, Ben Davies are gettable too I suspect. Shelvey is meant to be off to Newcastle while Caulker is meant to have agreed a move back to Spurs, he hasnt impressed me at all to be honest this season in an awful Cardiff side.
If we could get Jovetic in from City on loan, could be an epic transfer. He has been poor this season and suffered with injuries. Saw him play at international level though when very young and also with Fiorentina, he is hugely talented. Alex Song will be heading back to England this summer, not sure if he is the kind of player we could attract.

Others that will be hawked to clubs like Villa

City - Richards, Lescott, Rodwell and Sinclair
United - Young, Nani, Valencia, Cleverley
Chelsea - Moses, Bertrand
Arsenal - Jenkinson,
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on May 04, 2014, 01:47:48 AM
If Nani and Richards were available we should go all out for those. Nani is an excellent footballer. He will have offers from all over Europe though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2014, 02:37:07 AM
Of the sides going down...

I would like Fer from Norwich to add a bit more in the middle of the park. Looked good most times I have seen him.

Beyond that Redmond is worth a punt.

Cardiff are a shambles and Caulker is a good player but lost his way badly at times this season. 6-7 million yes, more no. I think United or Arsenal might go in for him and have him as a squad player anyway.

Fulham have got an interesting winger I can't spell. And Holtby who no one seems sure on how to use properly.


I want a winger, 2 central midfielders (holding and creative) a defender and a striker in all this summer, but would settle for 3 players who would be first names on the team sheet in those positions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 04, 2014, 04:22:06 AM
SIGN SOME GODDAMN MIDFIELDERS

Sorry for the caps but this obvious problem has eluded the club for several windows now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 04, 2014, 06:40:23 AM
We need quite a few players. In priority order I think:

A centre forward with pace and goal scoring threat
Two creative midfielders who can ideally either play number 10 or wide
Two new full backs.
A centre back (ideally perhaps kill 2 birds with one stone and get someone who can play right back or CB)
A central midfielder with physical presence

We've no idea what money we'll have so it's a bit difficult to know who we can get.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 04, 2014, 07:39:41 AM
Problem with Holtby is that as a Spurs player he'll cost at least twice as much as he's worth & we'll offer half what he's worth .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2014, 08:02:04 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 04, 2014, 02:37:07 AM
Of the sides going down...

I would like Fer from Norwich to add a bit more in the middle of the park. Looked good most times I have seen him.
He would be the first player I'd be looking at this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 04, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
Get a leader in. We lack voices, personality, prescence. A winner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2014, 09:08:31 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 04, 2014, 06:40:23 AM
We need quite a few players. In priority order I think:

A centre forward with pace and goal scoring threat
Two creative midfielders who can ideally either play number 10 or wide
Two new full backs.
A centre back (ideally perhaps kill 2 birds with one stone and get someone who can play right back or CB)
A central midfielder with physical presence

We've no idea what money we'll have so it's a bit difficult to know who we can get.
Matt, we already have your first priority:
Step forward Jordan Bowery.


... I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2014, 09:17:38 AM
See I think Lowton is a good player that lost his confidence. If we could get Bertrand cheaply enough too then we are set there. Clark in front of the back 4 is fine as a backup option too and should have been used more though with Vlaar and Baker being prone to injury I suspect playing all 3 scares Lambert so a centre half of experience and quality is must.

First though I want Fer. Everything we lack in there. I think Norwich have some decent players and Hughton did a poor job actually.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Glenn Peen on May 04, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Bowery was great yesterday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 04, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
We need wholesale change. That squad is nowhere near Prem standard. New owner, new manager, fire sale please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 04, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 04, 2014, 09:17:38 AM
See I think Lowton is a good player that lost his confidence. If we could get Bertrand cheaply enough too then we are set there. Clark in front of the back 4 is fine as a backup option too and should have been used more though with Vlaar and Baker being prone to injury I suspect playing all 3 scares Lambert so a centre half of experience and quality is must.

First though I want Fer. Everything we lack in there. I think Norwich have some decent players and Hughton did a poor job actually.

Lowton may yet come good.


Clark and Baker are  Championship pkayers. Step forward Wolves
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 04, 2014, 12:29:14 PM
That twunt of a chairman at Narrrich won't sell anyone to us. That's for sure
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: jeff on May 04, 2014, 01:13:17 PM
Out of the relegated clubs assuming Norwich go.

Caulker and Medel from Cardiff
Dejagah from Fulham
Redmond from Norwich

Those would be the only ones I would really be interested in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2014, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: Glenn Peen on May 04, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Bowery was great yesterday.

He was, wasn't he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 04, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: Glenn Peen on May 04, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Bowery was great yesterday.

He was okay. Nothing more than that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on May 04, 2014, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 04, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: Glenn Peen on May 04, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Bowery was great yesterday.

He was okay. Nothing more than that.

He didnt look out of place in a PL game, Id call that progress. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
He looked the best centre forward on the pitch in his general play. Not bad really considering the money paid for the Hull lads.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2014, 01:29:33 PM
Said it before; we need an almost entire new defence, two midfielders and a striker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 04, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
He looked the best centre forward on the pitch in his general play. Not bad really considering the money paid for the Hull lads.
Although I thought Jelavic did well to set up the third goal of the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 04, 2014, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 04, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: Glenn Peen on May 04, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Bowery was great yesterday.

He was okay. Nothing more than that.

He didnt look out of place in a PL game, Id call that progress. 

However the match was probably of Championship quality rather than PL.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 04, 2014, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2014, 01:29:33 PM
Said it before; we need an almost entire new defence, two midfielders and a striker.

Definitely. After we scored early yesterday we got the jitters again and were making the same stupid errors as we've done in practically every other game this season. The players aren't good enough, and a 3-1 win over Hull isn't going to fool us into thinking they are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 04, 2014, 01:35:48 PM
What y'all think of Nzonzi?*
I know he was unhappy at one point apparently, don't know if that is still the case.

Edit: *as Norwich are twats who won't sell to us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2014, 01:44:02 PM
Nzonzi is a horrible and not very good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 04, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2014, 01:44:02 PM
Nzonzi is a horrible and not very good player.

Haha fair enough. I don't think he's that bad, tbh I've not seen him play for quite a while so maybe it was a brain fart (followed through).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on May 04, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
NZonzi is a lanky oaf that has and will forever play for shit teams.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 04, 2014, 02:05:42 PM
"A lanky oaf"
Ha! :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 02:31:06 PM
Bowery is the type of player who'd be in good in a squad for a lower PL club. He'll do for now, but isn't the type of player that should be in our squad if we have loftier ambitions. If Lambert leaves then I would hope the type and quality of our squad player is better than Bowery. I'm glad he did well yesterday as it really helped, but I hope our future has less of his type of signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2014, 01:47:48 AM
If Nani and Richards were available we should go all out for those. Nani is an excellent footballer. He will have offers from all over Europe though.

Nani has gone horribly off the boil in the last two season. 4 goals in 34 games is shocking stuff. Good world cup though and someone will take a punt. In 10/11 and 11/12 he got 20 goals in 89 games so clearly has loads of ability. Same with Ashley Young, if you had a manager who could get either of them back to their past form they could be serious value at the 5m-8m mark. Young even in his last season with us looked to have developed a hell of an ego so not sure he would be willing to put in the required hard work to get back to his past form.

Ditto Richards, has only played 18 times for City in the last two seasons. Only 2 league appearances this season, why he hasnt bothered going on loan would worry me about his attitude. Worth a punt to get his career back on track but not a big money one. Daily Heil reporting Liverpool will bid 7m for him this summer which is fantasy stuff for a player with his record. On the upside he is only 26 this summer and born in Birmingham, worth considering for sure. Richards is only worth a 3m-4m punt imo.

Rodwell is a Jenas like crock I suspect, was never that gone on him at Everton anyway, was a terrible signing by Mancini at 20m or so. Cleverley is one that interest me a lot. True he has looked awful this season and miles out of his depth. But we only have two midfielders, Delph and Westwood, of any quality. He could be great value at 5m or so. 25 only this summer, doesnt seem injury prone. Good athlete with good touches, as long as he loses the feeling sorry for himself stuff then he could kick on at Villa Park. Think he could be a better version of Westwood if he got back his form. Victor Moses played really well under Benitez at Chelsea last year, 10 goals in 43 games. Has had a disaster this term but the likes of Nani and Young have had 2 terrible seasons back to back. Only 23 and surely a better option for us that the likes of Albrighton, Weimann, Tonev and Gabby. Chelsea spent 9m on him (Whelan did well again there), at half that price I think he is well worth a punt for us.

10m should be enough to seal the deal for Cleverley and Moses. Thats two certain starters for us next year. Sigurdsson at another 5m is 15m. We would be 15 points a better side with those three in our squad imo. Holtby is alright buts thats about it, the three I have mentioned are much better players.

Defence needs serious reinforcement, four new defenders imo. If Walker is available at a decent price would bring him back, instability at Spurs has seen his form be inconsistent but he was key in us avoiding relegation a few years back. Bertrand has potential but 5m is the max for him really. Ben Davies looks a better player at Swansea but suspect bigger fish will want him this summer. We need a leader and organiser at centre half, Vlaar isnt that player for me. Dawson if cheap could go well for us, he is slow but Okore's pace should cover that. I'm sure there is better defenders available in Europe than him but of the domestic players I think he would suit us best plus he does have leadership qualities. If Jonny Evans is available would go all out to get him, Moyes somehow thought Smalling was better this term but thats nonsense. Id stay clear of Lescott to be honest, his legs look gone and like Richards if he really wanted to play football he could have probably joined us or West Ham in Jan and got a place in the World Cup squad.

Out the gap - Vlaar, Gabby, Kea, Albrighton, Baker, Bennett, Luna, Helenius, Herd, Gardner, Sylla, Bowery, Fonz, Stevens, Lowton, Clark, Given, Bent and Hutton. I think Clark is solid enough as backup but we couldnt turn down 3m for him. Same for Lowton. Id let Given, Bent and Hutton go on frees, hard lessons learned from the club but its hard a good example to our younger players to have these three consuming the wages they are training with the youths. At the very worst all three should be on the bench next year, the childish bomb squad antics are beneath AVFC. Send the likes of Steer out on loan rather than having him as backup. We wont get much back from releasing that crew but they arent good enough for AVFC.
 
Id give Nzogbia one last chance if anything just to try and get him into a bit of reasonable form to get some cash back for him. Dont rate Kozak but would give him next year to show what he is made of. Id give Tonev just about another chance but suspect he is off regardless of who is manager next term. It will be a summer of upheaval at Villa Park. Weimann just about might have saved his Villa career yesterday for me but any fucking around next season and he should be loaned out or sold. With Benteke missing the start of next season maybe Weimann could nick a few goals up top like yesterday. Grealish will be in the first team squad next year aswell and if that means letting Tonev go to make room then fair call imo.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 04, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
NZonzi is a lanky oaf that has and will forever play for shit teams.

Hughes is doing well with him again. Would hope that we would be bringing in midfielders with more ability than Nzonzi though.

Hughes tends to do well with players that he has managed before, Ireland is another example. Give Hughes a limited budget and he seems to do ok - Blackburn, Fulham, Wales, Stoke.

Give Mark Hughes money though and you get Man City and QPR esque stuff. Wouldnt mind seeing how many of Hughes' signings at QPR and Man City, were also managed by his agent Kia Joorabchian. Kia J saying the QPR farce wasnt his fault here but certainly would need a strong board reviewing his signings imo - http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/30/qpr-transfer-flops-not-my-fault-insists-mark-hughes-agent-kia-joorabchian-3821373/
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 02:58:17 PM
One of the most annoying sites/ pages is the Aston Villa Fan Club page on facebook. Strictly for the repetitive shite that flows on there. Today we have "Lets buy all the players from teams that were relegated" clogging up the news feed.

Am I one who think the vast majority of players from relegated clubs aren't much cop and any that look good are because they play with 10 poor players who took their club down? Don't get me wrong there might be one, maybe two from relegated clubs who could improve and take the squad forward but definitely not the amount of players people are suggesting.

Personally if any take over happens and that person has any ambition I would like us to shop at a level where players don't have "relegated" on their CV.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
There are good players in bad situations though. Had we gone down, and Benteke wasn't injured there would be a line up of clubs after him. Cardiff, Fulham and very likely Norwich will all have a few players that can improve any number of clubs sat in the 6th to 17th position. Martinez has shown that with bringing in a couple of his old Wigan players. They are out there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
There are good players in bad situations though. Had we gone down, and Benteke wasn't injured there would be a line up of clubs after him. Cardiff, Fulham and very likely Norwich will all have a few players that can improve any number of clubs sat in the 6th to 17th position. Martinez has shown that with bringing in a couple of his old Wigan players. They are out there.
I agree there are 1 or 2, not the 6 or 7 from every bottom 3 club that massive amounts of people on facebook are posting...I don't see it myself. With Martinez I would say only McCarthy has been a success, Alcaraz hasn't and Kone has been out all season.

I feel its quality we really need to push forward and Fulham, Cardiff and maybe Norwich don't have a lot....if any for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:22:24 PM
I suppose it depends on what we consider as our immediate ambition. If getting into a steady 7th-9th position is the short term goal then there might be 3 or 4 players from the relegated that would be helpful and step up on some of our first team. Without significant investment over a couple of seasons we're not challenging in the upper echelons so the next logical stage is never to be in a relegation battle ever again. You don't have to spend massively to do that. Just intelligently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
There are good players in bad situations though. Had we gone down, and Benteke wasn't injured there would be a line up of clubs after him. Cardiff, Fulham and very likely Norwich will all have a few players that can improve any number of clubs sat in the 6th to 17th position. Martinez has shown that with bringing in a couple of his old Wigan players. They are out there.

True, Everton seem to have done well with James McCarthy for example though I dont rate him much. Ferguson buying Roy Keane from Forest in 1992 probably a good example why clubs should not take the OP line as cut and dried that all relegated players are shite.

I do think though that generally the best one or two players in relegated or shite teams can be put on a pedestal somewhat. Think the Nicky Shorey signing was an example of this where we overpaid stupidly for a very average player. Same for Downing (though KKK bailed us out nicely there), Reo Coker and Warnock. If I was to pick players to avoid for this reason this summer - Lewis Holtby, Steven Caulker, Gary Medel, Robert Snodgrass, Leroy Fer would be up there.

Ironically enough in order to cover Benteke's injury early next season, I wouldnt be averse to getting the likes of Van Wolfswinkle (45 goals in 88 games in Lisbon) or Mitrogolou (37 goals in 51 games for Olympiacos) in on loan next summer to see if they could erase the last season of their career's out of their minds and get a few goals for us. Even off the bench would prefer to see one of these coming on than a Helenius. Clearly talented players but just didnt happen for them in England so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 04, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
I broadly agree with Tuscans.

Those teams are going down for a reason and with very few exceptions that reason is the players are not good enough. We cannot carry any more "maybe they will do a job" players. We need new players who are obviously and demonstrably better than what we have got AND also better than what bottom 5 teams have got.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
There are players amongst the relegated teams that are better than what we have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 03:47:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
There are players amongst the relegated teams that are better than what we have.

Agree

Luna, Bennett, Lowton, Baker, Kea for example are arguably worse than what Cardiff or Fulham have

But replacing these with marginally better will only have us fighting relegation against next year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pete3206 on May 04, 2014, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
There are players amongst the relegated teams that are better than what we have.

Caulker at Cardiff for a start.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 04, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
Unless you're willing to gamble again on unknowns or shell out stupid money on transfers / pay stupid wages, then "marginally better" is what should be aimed for.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 04, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
I think quite a few of the suggestions are still quite fanciful. I guess we all have varying opinions on the 'pull' of the club. I am admittedly a pessimist though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.


Agree. When the media suggest he is going to be a future England captain we all jump on the bandwagon. I live in South Wales and have a few friends who are Cardiff fans and the only players they rate are Craig Noone, Gary Medel. and Whitts, but more for he did in the Championship. They thought Caulker lost his man a lot and only really chipped in with a few headed goals at the other end.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
Cardiff starting XI yesterday....

01 Marshall
35 Fabio
42 John
18 Mutch
04 Caulker
06 Turner
36 Zaha
07 Whittingham
10 Campbell
17 Gunnarsson
13 Kim

Fulham....

13 Stockdale
33 Burn
03 Riise
09 Diarra
04 Heitinga
05 Hangeland
10 Holtby
28 Parker
39 Bent
07 Sidwell
15 Richardson

Norwich today....

01 Ruddy
02 Martin
03 Whittaker
04 Johnson
24 R Bennett
06 Turner
07 Snodgrass
27 Tettey
16 Elmander
08 Howson
23 Olsson

Just my opinion but I don't see anything from that lot that's going to take Villa up the table.

Edited....I might take a Right Back....I think that is one of our weakest positions as for me Okore will fill the Centre Back position well next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.

Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over.

Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: spangley1812 on May 04, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
I would agree there isn't a lot there to get over excited about but on the Norwich bench I would look at Redmond and Hooper
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jarpie on May 04, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
The absolute top priority should be these three players: experienced leader in the midfield (Barry/Petrov mold) and two creative attacking mids - wide player and number 10. Weimann has shown that he can't play on the wing, and we -desperately- lack leader in the midfield and creative midfielder to break up the opposition.

After those three are sorted, we need left back, right back and experienced central defender. Hopefully we can get Bertrand from Chelsea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2014, 04:47:46 PM
I would agree there isn't a lot there to get over excited about but on the Norwich bench I would look at Redmond and Hooper

 :o he is like a younger fatter Grant Holt
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2014, 05:04:33 PM
The first thing that needs sorting is who the owner and manger are going to be, and then we build the squad from there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 04, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
There are players amongst the relegated teams that are better than what we have.

Oh I agree but as I mentioned they have to be better than what we have AND better than the bottom five. That chops the list down to a far smaller number imho.

Also I want our team to add winners not players who are used to losing. I know that sounds harsh but I think it is true.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 04, 2014, 05:28:56 PM
Perhaps we can loan Lukaku for a year if Moanrihnio don't fancy him again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.

Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over.

Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.

Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.

When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.

Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over.

Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.

Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.

When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25.
I can't stand the phrase, "he is an England International" intending he's class. He has 1 cap and England are a poor team. Being English and under 25 means absolutely nothing....its mentality and technical ability for me which a lot of English footballers don't have, let alone both.

Why are we suggesting Caulker anyway...is Vlaar now not good enough and has Okore been forgotten?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.

Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over.

Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.

Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.

When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25.
I can't stand the phrase, "he is an England International" intending he's class. He has 1 cap and England are a poor team. Being English and under 25 means absolutely nothing....its mentality and technical ability for me which a lot of English footballers don't have, let alone both.

Why are we suggesting Caulker anyway...is Vlaar now not good enough and has Okore been forgotten?

Vlaar is crocked for about 10 games a season and Okore is coming back from a horrendous injury. We need a centre half, without a shadow of a doubt. We can't have Baker starting 20 games next season.

Being under 25 is a massive factor in the sense that he has a lot of development still to come and we can always sell him for a profit in the future. Its been the clubs aim over the past two years to buy younger players and improve them and Caulker fits right in that bracket.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.

Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over.

Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.

Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.

When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25.
I can't stand the phrase, "he is an England International" intending he's class. He has 1 cap and England are a poor team. Being English and under 25 means absolutely nothing....its mentality and technical ability for me which a lot of English footballers don't have, let alone both.

Why are we suggesting Caulker anyway...is Vlaar now not good enough and has Okore been forgotten?

Vlaar is crocked for about 10 games a season and Okore is coming back from a horrendous injury. We need a centre half, without a shadow of a doubt. We can't have Baker starting 20 games next season.

Being under 25 is a massive factor in the sense that he has a lot of development still to come and we can always sell him for a profit in the future. Its been the clubs aim over the past two years to buy younger players and improve them and Caulker fits right in that bracket.
Maybe you're right, but if you have seen any Cardiff games then he hasn't really been all that and I can't justify spending that kind of cash on him when you suggest development is a key factor and we don't know how Baker & Clark will develop under the right coaching and guidance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: enigma on May 04, 2014, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
Cardiff starting XI yesterday....

01 Marshall
35 Fabio
42 John
18 Mutch
04 Caulker
06 Turner
36 Zaha
07 Whittingham
10 Campbell
17 Gunnarsson
13 Kim

Fulham....

13 Stockdale
33 Burn
03 Riise
09 Diarra
04 Heitinga
05 Hangeland
10 Holtby
28 Parker
39 Bent
07 Sidwell
15 Richardson

Norwich today....

01 Ruddy
02 Martin
03 Whittaker
04 Johnson
24 R Bennett
06 Turner
07 Snodgrass
27 Tettey
16 Elmander
08 Howson
23 Olsson

Just my opinion but I don't see anything from that lot that's going to take Villa up the table.

Edited....I might take a Right Back....I think that is one of our weakest positions as for me Okore will fill the Centre Back position well next season.
From those three clubs I'd take any of Caulker, Turner, Hangeland, Holtby and Snodgrass. They'd all improve us quite easily.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 07:17:53 PM

 I think Caulker falls asleep and loses his man.Look at Noocastles 1st goal yday, completely lost his man in probably their most important game of the year.Not sure Caulker is much better than Baker tbh.

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2014, 07:25:26 PM
Caulker is vastly overrated and needs 2-3 more seasons in development (and I believe that the Spudds fans were happy to see the back of him?). Can we afford for someone to come and learn at Villa (exhibit A: Baker); we need an additional reliable performer at CB; someone who can bring experience and technical capability.
I don't think any of the Fulham or Cardiff players are worth investing in (Dejagah possibly). Haangeland would be interesting but will probalby go elsewhere.
At Norwich, Tetty and possibly Olsson (at leftback) might be worth a shout; and Hoolahan of course!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
Nobody is saying Caulker is world class but he's vastly better than Baker and Clark.

That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 04, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
Whilst Okore looks a prospect, it's very risky counting on him being consistently good enough, especially after his injury. Plus Vlar will always miss games. In either case we could end up with Baker or Clarke playing 20-30 games a season. I'm happy to risk another season with one of them but not both, in my opinion we need to replace Baker with another experienced centre half. I suspect we will see a lot more of a 3-5-2 formation next season, as it allows us to play with 2 up front.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on May 04, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
Nobody is saying Caulker is world class but he's vastly better than Baker and Clark.

That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
I thought he was quite poor yesterday, only one game I know, did you see him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM

 I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.

no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.

Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over.

Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.

Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.

When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25.
I can't stand the phrase, "he is an England International" intending he's class. He has 1 cap and England are a poor team. Being English and under 25 means absolutely nothing....its mentality and technical ability for me which a lot of English footballers don't have, let alone both.

Why are we suggesting Caulker anyway...is Vlaar now not good enough and has Okore been forgotten?

Vlaar is crocked for about 10 games a season and Okore is coming back from a horrendous injury. We need a centre half, without a shadow of a doubt. We can't have Baker starting 20 games next season.

Being under 25 is a massive factor in the sense that he has a lot of development still to come and we can always sell him for a profit in the future. Its been the clubs aim over the past two years to buy younger players and improve them and Caulker fits right in that bracket.

Thats the same attitude that had MON paying 8m or so for Curtis Davies. Davies has improved a good bit since but Caulker is in the same boat now as Davies was then imo.

Shawcross has an England cap too, a butcher of a footballer but miles a better defender than Shawcross Id argue. Id even go as far as saying Id prefer Winston Reid or Gareth McAuley to Caulker at half the price. Id have Caulker on the same level as Curtis Davies or Steven Taylor. Bang average English defenders that we would be paying a premium for having a British passport. None that much an improvement on Vlaar either really. The standard of English defending is piss poor to be honest. Cant find someone to partner Cahill at this World Cup. Glen Johnson is the likely starter at right back. Not good

Benedikt Howedes (captain of Schalke, 26) might be our replacement for Vlaar. Maybe our European correspondents can unearth some better possibilities to the likes of Steven Caulker.





Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
No thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2014, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 04, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
Nobody is saying Caulker is world class but he's vastly better than Baker and Clark.

That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
I thought he was quite poor yesterday, only one game I know, did you see him?

I noticed him when he got easily hustled off the ball by Gabby prior to the ball across for the first goal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on May 04, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
No thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.

I'd take Hangeland, I really don't think Fulham's season is down to him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 04, 2014, 08:12:36 PM
Maybe we should blow out entire budget and some getting Cahill back home .
Thanks MON you devious , caniving, useless four eyed sack of shite.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: Malandro on May 04, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
No thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.

I'd take Hangeland, I really don't think Fulham's season is down to him

33 next month, injury prone, snail like slow. bringing him in would make the Given deal seem good value
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 04, 2014, 08:36:30 PM
I'd take Sidders back for a year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2014, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?
But that's only because he was Agent Davis yesterday.  He's been their player of the year this season. Even more so than their midfield dynamo the Hudd (who was also well below par yesterday).

Would I take him back? Probably not, but in a straight choice between him and Baker or Clark, I'd choose Curtis every time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 04, 2014, 08:36:30 PM
I'd take Sidders back for a year
I feel dirty for saying it but I probably would too if we're shopping on a budget again. Surely no more than 2-3 million.

If we've loosened the purse strings a bit or have been taken over, I'd be looking at better though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 04, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
If you're in for Sidwell you may aswell take Aaron Hughes whilst there aswell
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: enigma on May 04, 2014, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?

I'm judging him on his performances over a season, not just one game. he's been one of the best centre backs in the league this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 04, 2014, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?

I'm judging him on his performances over a season, not just one game. he's been one of the best centre backs in the league this season.

Davis was never a bad defender nor was he ever worth the £8m+ MON spent on him. I think he played when not fully fit & then fell out of contention. I always thought he got a raw deal from us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on May 04, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: Malandro on May 04, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
No thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.

I'd take Hangeland, I really don't think Fulham's season is down to him
P
33 next month, injury prone, snail like slow. bringing him in would make the Given deal seem good value

A good defender
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2014, 10:49:50 PM
He was a great defender four years ago.

A good defender two years ago.

An absolute liability for most of this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on May 04, 2014, 10:57:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 04, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 04, 2014, 08:36:30 PM
I'd take Sidders back for a year
I feel dirty for saying it but I probably would too if we're shopping on a budget again. Surely no more than 2-3 million.

If we've loosened the purse strings a bit or have been taken over, I'd be looking at better though.

The Steve Sidwell that has been an integral player for Fulham throughout their relegation season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2014, 11:06:38 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2014, 10:49:50 PM
He was a great defender four years ago.

A good defender two years ago.

An absolute liability for most of this season.

watch a couple of the goals at the weekend and Hangeland looks like a lamppost  just watching the action go by him. For a big bloke he had decent feet and was quite quick three years back. When the quickness goes, he's not much more than a spectator.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 04, 2014, 11:10:59 PM
Zaha, from Cardiff/man yew, Holtby from spurs.  That's probably it.  If Lamberts is still here, no doubts we'll take Wes H from Norwich too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2014, 11:25:35 PM
Fegouhli from Valencia if we get taken over?

Saw him play for Valencia at Stoke a few years back and he was the best player on the pitch, in great form at the minute.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2014, 12:16:57 AM
Forget Lambert, he's gone as soon as we have new owners. And when we do, we won't be fishing around the relegated clubs for their ship jumpers. It's time to look up rather than down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 05, 2014, 12:29:42 AM
Where's Habib Beye these days? 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 05, 2014, 12:31:45 AM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on May 05, 2014, 12:29:42 AM
Where's Habib Beye these days?

On a beach somewhere with a few million of quid of Aston Villa's money in his bank account.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 05, 2014, 12:33:23 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 04, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
If you're in for Sidwell you may aswell take Aaron Hughes whilst there aswell

dont forget Craig Gardner, he is available on a free this summer I think.......

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 05, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
Sounds like a lot of posters who want all these players from Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich have been brainwashed by Lerners 0% ambition policy.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 05, 2014, 01:39:23 AM
Andros Townsend is reportedly available at the end of the season, been linked with a swap deal for Lallana plus cash at Southampton.

The type of player we need to start targeting again. Young, but with a bit of quality.  Though our success rate when it comes to signing Tottingham players (and getting anything like the best out of them) is pretty dire. 

Understand the concerns about Caulker too, but if he was available at say £5-6 million, I'd be interested.  He would be an improvement on Clark and Baker straight off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 05, 2014, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 05, 2014, 01:39:23 AM
Andros Townsend is reportedly available at the end of the season, been linked with a swap deal for Lallana plus cash at Southampton.

The type of player we need to start targeting again. Young, but with a bit of quality.  Though our success rate when it comes to signing Tottingham players (and getting anything like the best out of them) is pretty dire. 

Understand the concerns about Caulker too, but if he was available at say £5-6 million, I'd be interested.  He would be an improvement on Clark and Baker straight off.

I'd be tempted to have a look at Donacien over those pair.  I'd also look at Gardner, Grealish and Robinson in front of some of the other squad members as well. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 05, 2014, 02:17:51 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 05, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
Sounds like a lot of posters who want all these players from Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich have been brainwashed by Lerners 0% ambition policy.


This.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 05, 2014, 04:10:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 05, 2014, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 05, 2014, 01:39:23 AM
Andros Townsend is reportedly available at the end of the season, been linked with a swap deal for Lallana plus cash at Southampton.

The type of player we need to start targeting again. Young, but with a bit of quality.  Though our success rate when it comes to signing Tottingham players (and getting anything like the best out of them) is pretty dire. 

Understand the concerns about Caulker too, but if he was available at say £5-6 million, I'd be interested.  He would be an improvement on Clark and Baker straight off.

I'd be tempted to have a look at Donacien over those pair.  I'd also look at Gardner, Grealish and Robinson in front of some of the other squad members as well.

Carruthers too. Now he's an attacking midfielder we could have done with a lot this season. Either way we have a very big squad with not many decent players. We could shift out 10 players and not be hurt one iota.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on May 05, 2014, 05:24:56 AM
Centre half a cheeky loan bid for Kalas at Chelsea looks an absolute diamond, would not fork out what they will want for Bertrand thou, think there will be better value available.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
Quote from: peter w on May 04, 2014, 10:57:53 PM
The Steve Sidwell that has been an integral player for Fulham throughout their relegation season?
Yes he has fully contributed to their miserable status.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 05, 2014, 07:55:12 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on May 05, 2014, 05:24:56 AM
would not fork out what they will want for Bertrand thou, think there will be better value available.
How much do they want for him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on May 05, 2014, 08:15:56 AM
Bertrand is exactly the level of player we need to buy if we've got any aspirations of the top ten. Perhaps the silent one will let us know his intentions soon- hopefully he sells up. His tenure the last 4 years has been a disaster. I want to see someone with drive, ambition and above all, enthusiasm to takeover the club - Lerner is none of those; one visit in 18 months? Pathetic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on May 05, 2014, 08:31:28 AM
I think if I were manager I'd be inclined toward making Bertrand a permanent member of the squad straight away. Good player, good age. Good business.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
Agreed. I think we'd see an even better Bertrand if he wasn't playing alongside such bloody awful defenders as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on May 05, 2014, 08:36:50 AM
The one thing we must achieve from the changes which lie ahead is the jettisoning of the concept of limited expectations which has underpinned the penny pinching and decline of the last four years. Regardless of the chances of achieving our goals we must not buy into sustainable mediocrity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2014, 08:38:01 AM
Buying a Premiership player would be a good start.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 05, 2014, 08:43:05 AM
I understand the not wanting relegated players but the argument that they are not good enough is fairly weak. Guzan and Benteke could be down with us but wanted by top 6 sides. Fer at Norwich will go to a decent club for sure. So will Caulker although am not keen, Marshall might too. Dejagar will likely be off from Fulham.


Scott Parker on a free would do a job if you put legs around him. Maybe not here but somewhere
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on May 05, 2014, 08:44:21 AM
I agree with you about Fer, I think he'd be an excellent signing for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 05, 2014, 09:47:30 AM
I thought the same on Fer though I'm not sure how he's played all season. He didn't start yday for example.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pete3206 on May 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 05, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
Sounds like a lot of posters who want all these players from Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich have been brainwashed by Lerners 0% ambition policy.

Unfortunately, that is our current reality. Do you see that changing anytime soon?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ktvillan on May 05, 2014, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 04, 2014, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PM
That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?

I'm judging him on his performances over a season, not just one game. he's been one of the best centre backs in the league this season.

Davis was never a bad defender nor was he ever worth the £8m+ MON spent on him. I think he played when not fully fit & then fell out of contention. I always thought he got a raw deal from us.

Me too.  He had some shockers for us, played some outstanding games too, but was most often at least decent even when playing through injury.  He was never as consistently bad as Baker and Clark have been. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 05, 2014, 10:41:02 AM
Snodgrass would be a player i'd be looking at. Him and Delph could be a good central partnership.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on May 05, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Was it Davies who cost us a Europa league game when he had a chance to clear and somehow managed to slice the ball behind him under no pressure, to give away a corner which we then conceded from? In the game yesterday he almost scored an own goal doing the same thing in front of the North Stand again.

Basically I think we can do better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: caster troy on May 05, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Was it Davies who cost us a Europa league game when he had a chance to clear and somehow managed to slice the ball behind him under no pressure, to give away a corner which we then conceded from? In the game yesterday he almost scored an own goal doing the same thing in front of the North Stand again.

Basically I think we can do better.

Wasn't it Curtis who nearly did that again for Hull on Saturday ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 05, 2014, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 05, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: caster troy on May 05, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Was it Davies who cost us a Europa league game when he had a chance to clear and somehow managed to slice the ball behind him under no pressure, to give away a corner which we then conceded from? In the game yesterday he almost scored an own goal doing the same thing in front of the North Stand again.

Basically I think we can do better.

Wasn't it Curtis who nearly did that again for Hull on Saturday ?
It was indeed. Harper caught it under the bar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Keeno on May 05, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
If we are under new owners soon, I'd like to think that they'd be ready to splash the cash around to turn around this train-wreck of a squad, particularly in their first season. Not sure Lambert is the right man to be trusted with a 'war chest'... but the glaring problems that need to be immediately addressed is an international standard CB to partner Vlaar/Okore/Clark(in the worst case scenario). Someone said Howedes earlier - would be an excellent signing, and the kind of player we need to be looking at - capped for Germany, experienced (but not aged) and a centre half who can most importantly play out from the back. One of the main problems this year has been the CB's inability (Nathan Baker I'm looking at you) to have any wherewithal to start moves from the back, which leads to the much-maligned passing-between-the-centre-halves that usually causes an error/goal. Wouldn't be averse to a player like Lescott taking a pay cut to play regularly and joining us - but you'd like to think whoever comes in will be able to look further afield for a player like Howedes or Astori (at Cagliari).

The other imperative signing is a number 10 who can play in front of Delph/Westwood and offer an option between the lines that those two do not. In a 4-2-3-1 behind Benteke a player like Holtby would be perfect for us (I'm mystified as to why he wasn't a priority in January). Again you'd hope that we'd look outside of the British Isles for a player like this because they are in short supply (and expensive) over here - Feghouli has been excellent for Valencia recently but he plays a little bit deeper, or someone like Florenzi at Roma who has been out of favour and might not be against a move to a (rich?!) PL club. Stoke made a similar signing in Arnautovic from Bremen last summer, and although he's played a little wider and is a bit mental, a signing of that kind is the sort of thing we should be looking at.

I'm sure that with Albrighton/Weimann/Grealish(?) and a quality no. 10 around Benteke, with the midfield axis of Delph/Westy we could - with the right system and manager - have a very good midfield/attack and play some attractive football in the process.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 05, 2014, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 05, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
Sounds like a lot of posters who want all these players from Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich have been brainwashed by Lerners 0% ambition policy.

Unfortunately, that is our current reality. Do you see that changing anytime soon?
If the strength of rumours that Lerner was selling and Lambert won't be about next season weren't picking up momentum then I would of said no.

But I sense big and positive changes throughout the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2014, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on May 05, 2014, 10:41:02 AM
Snodgrass would be a player i'd be looking at. Him and Delph could be a good central partnership.

Snodgrass is a wide player. Wouldn't be adverse to signing him for say 3m as he is a better version of Albrighton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
Snodgrass is a good player, but like Delph used to he gets booked nearly every game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on May 05, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
He'll wind up at Celtic I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2014, 10:53:06 PM
Lambert likes him, maybe he'll take him to Celtic when he clears off up there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 05, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

I can't see that somehow & wouldn't be concerned anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Theo on May 05, 2014, 11:06:36 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 05, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

I can't see that somehow & wouldn't be concerned anyway.

I'm pretty sure that if Villa gives him another contract he'll take it, he's been there since he was a kid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2014, 11:06:40 PM
There are very few of this current mob that I would consider a loss if they left if I'm honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2014, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 05, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

I can't see that somehow & wouldn't be concerned anyway.

He'll end up being like Farrelly, or a Stephen Froggatt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 05, 2014, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

Well goodbye!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 05, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

At 23, I don't think he deserves more than a one year contract with us. Like Whittingham and many others, he needs to leave for the sake of his career.

When he first broke on the scene he was following in crosses and scoring the odd goal. Now he just pings them all in first time, it's the only play he has which I don't think is enough to be honest
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 05, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
Well, I guess if Albrighton did go to Everton this might be an interesting thread to look back on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 06, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 05, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

I can't see that somehow & wouldn't be concerned anyway.

Me neither.  Would have thought Martinez would be more likely to go for McManaman who played under him at Wigan ahead of Albrighton. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2014, 07:39:00 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 05, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
Well, I guess if Albrighton did go to Everton this might be an interesting thread to look back on.
Exactly my thoughts; lots of write-off comments here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2014, 07:46:32 AM
I hope he stays next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2014, 08:37:34 AM
I think Albrighton is a decent squad player and should be kept on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 06, 2014, 11:06:08 AM
Martinez does like an old school winger it seems. 1-2 of his signings were out of left field, as this would be, but he tends to get a lot from his players.
That said, Albrighton should be kept on. He's still one of our best creative players. It'll take 2-3 windows before we have enough depth in the squad to make a player like Alby obsolete. He might not be great but he's definitely worth keeping on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 06, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
According to football rumours.co.uk Watford are looking at Albrighton.
Whether that means our Marc or they are thinking of relocating to that place just outside Wolvo I don't know. :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 06, 2014, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 06, 2014, 08:37:34 AM
I think Albrighton is a decent squad player and should be kept on.

Is he out of contract this summer? 
I'd offer him a deal as he is a good squad player who offers us a plan B.  Furthermore, I'd loathe to lose him for nothing.
Ultimately it will depend on what he asks for in wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on May 06, 2014, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

The guy I sit next to was telling me on Saturday that Albrighton to Everton is already done.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 07, 2014, 05:49:59 PM
I see Frimpong didn't last long at Barnsley.

I'd go into greater detail about Frimpong but there's some impatient sod at the door....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2014, 05:54:16 PM
Apparently WM were peddling the Albrighton to Everton story last week. We shall see. Would we be due any compensation at all?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
Albrighton not in the squad? maybe suggests something.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 05, 2014, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 05, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: Theo on May 05, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfers-everton-lining-7074755

Apparently Everton is willing to get Albrighton for next season.

I can't see that somehow & wouldn't be concerned anyway.

He'll end up being like Farrelly, or a Stephen Froggatt.

And you're a fan of Nathan Baker? Weirdo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheEgo on May 07, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
If rumours of a billionaire consortium buying us are true then we won't be needing Albrighton next year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2014, 09:01:17 PM
If being a very key word.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 07, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
According to TV3+ over here, Arsenal are looking at Guzan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
If so you couldn't blame them or him for going.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
He won't go anywhere to be a number 2.

I actually think Fabanski is the best keeper at Arsenal but can't get a look in so he's moving on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 07, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
If so you couldn't blame them or him for going.
Definitely not. They need a more reliable keeper and I'd imagine that'll be on their shopping list along with a top striker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 07, 2014, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: TheEgo on May 07, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
If rumours of a billionaire consortium buying us are true then we won't be needing Albrighton next year.
Even if that did happen we'd be unlikely to buy a whole new squad of players in the first 2 windows. Alby is still one of our best players so he's certainly worth another year or two here.

We missed him today as well to be honest.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 08, 2014, 02:49:50 AM
A Cole, Lampard, Barry and Lescott on Bosmans. That'd sort us out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2014, 02:59:38 AM
Pretty much all transfer links are off the table if you believe there will be a new board and/or new manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 08, 2014, 03:36:07 AM
Indeed. I hope Randy clears the air quickly. To be honest I have no idea why he is waiting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 08, 2014, 07:26:30 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 08, 2014, 02:49:50 AM
A Cole, Lampard, Barry and Lescott on Bosmans. That'd sort us out.
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It would bankrupt us!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 08, 2014, 08:28:33 AM
I've just heard on the QT from a respected ITK that Messi is JK's first signing. If, and it's a big if, the takeover goes ahead.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 08, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 08, 2014, 08:28:33 AM
I've just heard on the QT from a respected ITK that Messi is JK's first signing. If, and it's a big if, the takeover goes ahead.

Is that vodka you're pouring on your cornflakes sir?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 08, 2014, 08:30:46 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 08, 2014, 08:28:33 AM
I've just heard on the QT from a respected ITK that Messi is JK's first signing. If, and it's a big if, the takeover goes ahead.

Knowing our luck it would Dave Messi from Lye Town Reserves or some such!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on May 08, 2014, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 08, 2014, 03:36:07 AM
Indeed. I hope Randy clears the air quickly. To be honest I have no idea why he is waiting.

I've assumed he was waiting to see which division we're in next season - recouping his dosh by selling a Championship side would be near impossible, whereas a Prem side is much more viable. Waiting for him to announce whatever it is is like the week before a new season - nervous anticipation of something better than the previous one(s)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 08, 2014, 01:08:39 PM
But is Dave Messi young and hungry?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 08, 2014, 04:54:27 PM
you bet!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 08, 2014, 05:26:50 PM
If we've got a few bob to spend in the summer and perhaps a manager with the reputation of Klinsmann (which would suggest a bit of ambition and a genuine plan) then I'd love to see us sign Milner again. Yesterday was the first time since September that he's started back to back games for City. I also imagine that as things stand they will have to sell before they can buy more players and I wonder if Milner might be one who is put up for sale. You'd guess City will want to achieve more in Europe in the next few years, meaning they'll probably try and get more star names.

I dunno. It's a long shot because Milner is still a reliable player for them as things stand, but if we can promote a viable project that makes us more of an attractive proposition to potential transfer targets, then someone like Milner would be an ideal signing. With all the ability City have at their disposal, most of which is from overseas, I think it's a sign of how good a player Milner is, that he's very much an important member of their squad still. He's exactly the sort of player we should be building around, as we were 5 years ago. He's a class above anything we have in midfield.

I can see City selling 5-6 players and buying 3-4 more worldies in the summer though, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
I'd put some money on James Milner signing for another Premier club but not us or any team in the south if I were a betting man (I'm not) and they offered odds on such things (haven't a clue).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 08, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
I'd put some money on James Milner signing for another Premier club but not us or any team in the south if I were a betting man (I'm not) and they offered odds on such things (haven't a clue).
Probably. He'd be ideal for Utd and possibly the Gooners too. He'd be an upgrade on Henderson if Liverpool were making 2-3 big signings in the summer.

I'd just love to see us make some ambitious signings this summer.

Right back to day dreaming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2014, 05:56:49 PM
United could stick Milner in the centre of their midfield and be significantly better overnight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2014, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
I'd put some money on James Milner signing for another Premier club but not us or any team in the south if I were a betting man (I'm not) and they offered odds on such things (haven't a clue).

Interesting, Chris. Whilst I don't doubt your ITK source, I do wonder what's going on inside Milner's head other than the sound of a very large signing-on fee. I know from experience you Yorkshire folk like to count your pennies but bloody hell, Milner must already be a multi-millionaire and in case he hasn't noticed, playing the best football of his career in a fantastic team where he obviously has the trust of his manager.

There's nowt so queer as Yorkshire folk.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 08, 2014, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2014, 05:56:49 PM
United could stick Milner in the centre of their midfield and be significantly better overnight.
Well it would actually give them a center of midfield for starters.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 08, 2014, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 08, 2014, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
I'd put some money on James Milner signing for another Premier club but not us or any team in the south if I were a betting man (I'm not) and they offered odds on such things (haven't a clue).

Interesting, Chris. Whilst I don't doubt your ITK source, I do wonder what's going on inside Milner's head other than the sound of a very large signing-on fee. I know from experience you Yorkshire folk like to count your pennies but bloody hell, Milner must already be a multi-millionaire and in case he hasn't noticed, playing the best football of his career in a fantastic team where he obviously has the trust of his manager.

There's nowt so queer as Yorkshire folk.

Isn't he out of contract this summer?  Wiki says he signed in 2010 so was it a 4 or 5 year deal?
I recall an interview a few months back where it was saying that he was yet to be offered a new deal by City.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 08, 2014, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
I'd put some money on James Milner signing for another Premier club but not us or any team in the south if I were a betting man (I'm not) and they offered odds on such things (haven't a clue).

Interesting, Chris. Whilst I don't doubt your ITK source, I do wonder what's going on inside Milner's head other than the sound of a very large signing-on fee. I know from experience you Yorkshire folk like to count your pennies but bloody hell, Milner must already be a multi-millionaire and in case he hasn't noticed, playing the best football of his career in a fantastic team where he obviously has the trust of his manager.

There's nowt so queer as Yorkshire folk.

I don't know him personally but know that he isn't driven by money. My mum is my source, she's got a 100% track record! I am of course using this knowledge to publicise my new website isprincewilliamavillafan.com where I may, or quite probably may not be making an announcement shortly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on May 08, 2014, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: dcdavecollett on May 08, 2014, 01:08:39 PM
But is Dave Messi young and hungry?

He's seen better days but he is a bit peckish.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 08, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 08, 2014, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 08, 2014, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
I'd put some money on James Milner signing for another Premier club but not us or any team in the south if I were a betting man (I'm not) and they offered odds on such things (haven't a clue).

Interesting, Chris. Whilst I don't doubt your ITK source, I do wonder what's going on inside Milner's head other than the sound of a very large signing-on fee. I know from experience you Yorkshire folk like to count your pennies but bloody hell, Milner must already be a multi-millionaire and in case he hasn't noticed, playing the best football of his career in a fantastic team where he obviously has the trust of his manager.

There's nowt so queer as Yorkshire folk.

Isn't he out of contract this summer?  Wiki says he signed in 2010 so was it a 4 or 5 year deal?
I recall an interview a few months back where it was saying that he was yet to be offered a new deal by City.
That could potentially be ideal. City let him go to free up some wage space, and another club (hopefully us) swoops in a gives Milner a good signing on fee to cover his drop in wages. I don't see him keeping parity on his wages, no matter where he goes.

Of course we have to hope any potential changes at the club in ownership and management happen quickly. I don't see Milner hanging round long before he's snapped up, or possibly offered a new deal at City. As things stand now he's way beyond us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on May 08, 2014, 06:23:26 PM
If City are restructed to a 21 player squad in Europe next season with 8 of them 'local', I can't see them waving goodbye to Milne in a hurry. Unless I misuderstand the FFP sanctions beingthrown at them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
Everton were linked with Milner the other day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2014, 09:01:53 PM
The early links this summer are a couple of players I would not mind looking at them in a bit more depth. The Belgian winger/ forward from Brugge and the German U21 midfielder. Both more interesting that a couple of obscure 3rd division Swiss that I was expecting anyway!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2014, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
Everton were linked with Milner the other day.

As long as he doesn't end up at Anfield, I don't mind. I like the lad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on May 08, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
Doesnt 'homegrown' mean coming up through their own acadamy rather regardless of nationality?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2014, 10:04:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 08, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
Doesnt 'homegrown' mean coming up through their own acadamy rather regardless of nationality?

Nope, from what I've seen they need 8 homegrown of which 4 have to have come through at Man City.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2014, 10:06:17 PM
They had best get Stephen Ireland back and see if Michael Johnson can change his shifts at Burger King in that case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 08:01:03 AM
This isn't Villa related (sadly) but I did not know where else to post it. I see it is now OK for Liverpool to openly tap up Adam Lallana as long as they do it via the medium of "Sky Sports sources understand."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 09, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens to Southampton. If they lose the likes of Shaw and Lallana then they will likely cover their deficit, but will be a poorer side, so I wonder if they will reinvest?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 09, 2014, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens to Southampton. If they lose the likes of Shaw and Lallana then they will likely cover their deficit, but will be a poorer side, so I wonder if they will reinvest?


Because of their financial outgoings, in the next couple of years they could find themselves in trouble, so I don't think they'd reinvest all of the money from Shaw and Lallana on players.
I think they'll struggle to match what they've done this season. I don't see them progressing upwards, short of 2-3 inspired signings.
That said I don't think they'll be worried by relegation at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 08:01:03 AM
This isn't Villa related (sadly) but I did not know where else to post it. I see it is now OK for Liverpool to openly tap up Adam Lallana as long as they do it via the medium of "Sky Sports sources understand."
I'm not saying that he's not been tapped up, but what leads you to think that he has?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 08:01:03 AM
This isn't Villa related (sadly) but I did not know where else to post it. I see it is now OK for Liverpool to openly tap up Adam Lallana as long as they do it via the medium of "Sky Sports sources understand."
I'm not saying that he's not been tapped up, but what leads you to think that he has?

The fact that it was announced by large "yellow banner Breaking News" headline on SSN that Liverpool want to have the signing wrapped up before the World Cup, followed by an indication from Southampton that they haven't had an approach.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2014, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 08:01:03 AM
This isn't Villa related (sadly) but I did not know where else to post it. I see it is now OK for Liverpool to openly tap up Adam Lallana as long as they do it via the medium of "Sky Sports sources understand."
I'm not saying that he's not been tapped up, but what leads you to think that he has?

The fact that it was announced by large "yellow banner Breaking News" headline on SSN that Liverpool want to have the signing wrapped up before the World Cup, followed by an indication from Southampton that they haven't had an approach.   
That doesn't mean that they've spoken to him though.

They might want to 'have the signing wrapped up', but I might want to shack up with Lili Simmons - it doesn't mean either of us have done anything about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 09, 2014, 12:27:25 PM
Yeah the FA should throw the book at Liverpool, because of a report on Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2014, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens to Southampton. If they lose the likes of Shaw and Lallana then they will likely cover their deficit, but will be a poorer side, so I wonder if they will reinvest?

I personally can see them both staying there fot at least another season.  If they can hold onto their manager and their players, a couple of decent signings could see them be a very good side next season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2014, 12:47:02 PM
The manager will have a lot of offers
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on May 09, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on May 09, 2014, 12:27:25 PM
Yeah the FA should throw the book at Liverpool, because of a report on Sky Sports.

it's not like they have a previous history of "tapping up"....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 09, 2014, 01:14:59 PM
Sky sports understands that Sky sports want somebody to say something to brighten up a slow news day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on May 09, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 09, 2014, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens to Southampton. If they lose the likes of Shaw and Lallana then they will likely cover their deficit, but will be a poorer side, so I wonder if they will reinvest?

I personally can see them both staying there fot at least another season.  If they can hold onto their manager and their players, a couple of decent signings could see them be a very good side next season. 

I think they've over-reached themselves and have a feeling the taps are about to be turned off. Think that at least Shaw will be off, and that they won't have players of the same calibre next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 09, 2014, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 09, 2014, 01:14:59 PM
Sky sports understands that Sky sports want somebody to say something to brighten up a slow news day.

Just wait until the World Cup is on and they aren't able to show any of the action.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: fbriai on May 09, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
I think they've over-reached themselves and have a feeling the taps are about to be turned off. Think that at least Shaw will be off, and that they won't have players of the same calibre next season.

Does that remind you of anywhere? 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on May 09, 2014, 02:54:55 PM
Quote from: Richard E on May 09, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: fbriai on May 09, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
I think they've over-reached themselves and have a feeling the taps are about to be turned off. Think that at least Shaw will be off, and that they won't have players of the same calibre next season.

Does that remind you of anywhere? 

It does sound familiar, doesn't it? Either that or I'm guilty of what I think is called transferential displacement; reading your own experiences into the interpretation of those of others.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 09, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
Who's Lilli Simmons? Anything to Kit Symons?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2014, 03:37:16 PM
UK Redsox will be along shortly with one of his many pictures.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 09, 2014, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 09, 2014, 01:14:59 PM
Sky sports understands that Sky sports want somebody to say something to brighten up a slow news day.

Just wait until the World Cup is on and they aren't able to show any of the action.

During Euro 2008 when SSN was still available on poor man's TV (Freeview) their main story was Ronaldo's possible move to Real with the actual tournament further down their features.

I also remember way back in August 2006 when Pat Murphy broke the MON to Villa, maybe the night before, they didn't run a story until he was at the ground. Very petulant IMO
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2014, 09:30:18 PM
Wiemann and Delph being linked to the barcodes. £15m for the two. Daily Star, so must be true!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2014, 09:48:38 PM
SSN just pretend there is no tournament taking place usually.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on May 11, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
Manure have bid 27 million for Luke Shaw.Nothing like getting in early.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2014, 09:51:36 PM
That's absolutely mental for a left back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jarpie on May 11, 2014, 10:11:25 PM
I don't think 27 million is enough, Southampton knows Manure is -desperate- for new players so Southampton will leech as much money as they can from them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 11, 2014, 10:14:56 PM
They'll get at least two million of that back though when they flog Fellaini.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 11, 2014, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2014, 03:37:16 PM
UK Redsox will be along shortly with one of his many pictures.


Mmmmmmm....... Lili Simmons
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 11, 2014, 09:30:18 PM
Wiemann and Delph being linked to the barcodes. £15m for the two. Daily Star, so must be true!!

To be fair Newcastle need a non scoring forward to replace Ameobi's ambassadorial role at the club. Before that they had Alan Smith (0 goals, 94 appearances), Albert Luque (1 goal, 21 appearances), Xisco (1 goal, 9 appearances). Weimann would fit in well with those famous number nines.

Would be a sideways move for Delph if Pardew remains at the club
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 12, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
I think it would better for Shaw to stay at Southampton for another couple of seasons before taking on such a big move, also why would he want to move to a mid-table club? :-X

Delph has had his best season yet for us, and I do think he has a bright future so no way should he be sold, and Weinmann has shown me enough overall to suggest than he has a future too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on May 12, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
Wouldn't mind Lescott and Rio on frees for a season. Better than Baker and Clark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 12, 2014, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: manic-road on May 12, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
Wouldn't mind Lescott and Rio on frees for a season. Better than Baker and Clark.

Lescott yes but unlikely, Rio no because has become too injurie prone and wouldn't be worth the wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on May 12, 2014, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 12, 2014, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: manic-road on May 12, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
Wouldn't mind Lescott and Rio on frees for a season. Better than Baker and Clark.

Lescott yes but unlikely, Rio no because has become too injurie prone and wouldn't be worth the wages.

Depends on how much he is prepared to drop and whether we have a new rich owner
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 12, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Lescott, yes, Ferdinand, McGrath no. He'll be 36 later this year and 3 of the last 5 seasons he's failed to make 20 league appearances and would still want good wages. Let QPR have him if they come up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2014, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 12, 2014, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: manic-road on May 12, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
Wouldn't mind Lescott and Rio on frees for a season. Better than Baker and Clark.

Lescott yes but unlikely, Rio no because has become too injurie prone and wouldn't be worth the wages.

Thought Lescott was awful when I saw him for City this year. Didnt he have a horror show that cost them in the Champions League aswell.

Granted regular football will improve him but his pace seems to have disappeared. Always thought he was better for Everton at left back which would be a plus for us but think we need a leader/organiser at the back more than anything. Lescott isnt that player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on May 13, 2014, 06:51:21 AM
I'd rather Micah Richards than Lescott, he's reportedly available for £7 mill and would kill 2 birds with one stone as he can play right back and centre back, so would save us buying 2 players.  I'd have him at right back but filling in for Vlaar/Okore ahead of the chuckle brothers if one get's injured and Lowton can deputise at right back.  Richards and Bertrand would do for me at the back, £10-12 mill well spent I reckon.  I'd sign Remy up top, Holtby and Medel and that should see us sorted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2014, 06:57:39 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 13, 2014, 06:51:21 AM
I'd rather Micah Richards than Lescott, he's reportedly available for £7 mill and would kill 2 birds with one stone as he can play right back and centre back, so would save us buying 2 players.  I'd have him at right back but filling in for Vlaar/Okore ahead of the chuckle brothers if one get's injured and Lowton can deputise at right back.  Richards and Bertrand would do for me at the back, £10-12 mill well spent I reckon.  I'd sign Remy up top, Holtby and Medel and that should see us sorted.

If money is there, both are no brainers for me. Richards would improve us at right back and Lescott would at centre half. Ferdinand is well over the hill though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 13, 2014, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 13, 2014, 06:57:39 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 13, 2014, 06:51:21 AM
I'd rather Micah Richards than Lescott, he's reportedly available for £7 mill and would kill 2 birds with one stone as he can play right back and centre back, so would save us buying 2 players.  I'd have him at right back but filling in for Vlaar/Okore ahead of the chuckle brothers if one get's injured and Lowton can deputise at right back.  Richards and Bertrand would do for me at the back, £10-12 mill well spent I reckon.  I'd sign Remy up top, Holtby and Medel and that should see us sorted.

If money is there, both are no brainers for me. Richards would improve us at right back and Lescott would at centre half. Ferdinand is well over the hill though.

Richards has hardly played in 2 years. If he was that bothered about his career he would have at least gone out on loan. If the price was right less than 5m or so then maybe. Would prefer Kyle Walker who has stagnated at Spurs and should be available
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 13, 2014, 07:56:23 AM
Should he? He's still Spurs' first choice right back and plays every game for them when he's fit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 13, 2014, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 13, 2014, 07:56:23 AM
Should he? He's still Spurs' first choice right back and plays every game for them when he's fit.

that may be so but he only has Kyle Naughton for competition who is pretty sh*te

Spurs fans arent happy with Walker and a move back to Villa should get the best out of him again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 13, 2014, 09:52:37 AM
This time last year he was apparently wanted by Real Madrid. If he leaves Spurs (and he won't), he'll still be moving to a club with better prospects than us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 10:01:21 AM
until we get a new owner isn't this thread redundant?  Randy isn't going to fund any  further transfers. He pulled the plug in January as far as investment goes, surely? From now until new ownership he'll just keep paying salaries/wages/bills.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 13, 2014, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 10:01:21 AM
until we get a new owner isn't this thread redundant?  Randy isn't going to fund any  further transfers. He pulled the plug in January as far as investment goes, surely? From now until new ownership he'll just keep paying salaries/wages/bills.

I agree, but you don't think a simple fact like will stop people with too much time on their hands from gossiping do you?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
no. I've just heard we've put a bid in for Sidwell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2014, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 10:01:21 AM
until we get a new owner isn't this thread redundant?  Randy isn't going to fund any  further transfers. He pulled the plug in January as far as investment goes, surely? From now until new ownership he'll just keep paying salaries/wages/bills.

Although people are free to fill their boots, I agree. It does all seem a bit pointless at the moment. All I know is that I am pretty worried for this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2014, 12:09:56 PM
he doesn't need to make investments for us to sign a couple of players, the club is self sufficient with no debts (after the share conversion).  A hold on transfers is nothing to do with Lerner not giving us the cash, it's to do with Lambert's position at the club, it's highly unlikely he'll stay once we're sold so letting him sign players isn't a good idea unless it becomes clear that a takeover won't occur before the start of the season.  If nothing is happening with a takeover by the end of the world cup I suspect we'll carry on with the signings Lambert was looking at and it will largely be 'business as usual'.  The club won't be put on hold all summer, that'll just make us more difficult to sell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LondonBoy on May 13, 2014, 12:11:44 PM
We need to be thinking big.

No good thinking Lescott n Richards.

We need big signings to send a signal.  The cash will be there.

Believe peeps.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2014, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 13, 2014, 12:09:56 PM
he doesn't need to make investments for us to sign a couple of players, the club is self sufficient with no debts (after the share conversion).  A hold on transfers is nothing to do with Lerner not giving us the cash, it's to do with Lambert's position at the club, it's highly unlikely he'll stay once we're sold so letting him sign players isn't a good idea unless it becomes clear that a takeover won't occur before the start of the season.  If nothing is happening with a takeover by the end of the world cup I suspect we'll carry on with the signings Lambert was looking at and it will largely be 'business as usual'.  The club won't be put on hold all summer, that'll just make us more difficult to sell.

Oh it's not the funds which worry me. It's your penultimate sentence that worries me, it's not exactly attractive to a player to be brought in by someone who is highly likely to bugger off sometime soon. The uncertainty will kill us this summer transfer wise if the sale's not done pronto. I have everything crossed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
fine but for goodness sake don't crush your seed in the process. It's only football
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
fine but for goodness sake don't crush your seed in the process. It's only football

Ha I won't. I haven't seen us win fuck all so I'm used to it 👍
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 04:34:15 PM
good man, that's the spirit. Be lucky.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 13, 2014, 04:36:21 PM
Quote from: LondonBoy on May 13, 2014, 12:11:44 PM
We need to be thinking big.

No good thinking Lescott n Richards.

We need big signings to send a signal.  The cash will be there.

Believe peeps.

Luke De Jong?   Peter Crouch??

Hold on to your Sheiks!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 13, 2014, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: LondonBoy on May 13, 2014, 12:11:44 PM
We need to be thinking big.

No good thinking Lescott n Richards.

We need big signings to send a signal.  The cash will be there.

If they improve the defeace I'll take them.

Believe peeps.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2014, 08:32:30 PM
whatever
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2014, 09:52:34 AM
With our lack of any creativity he should be kept!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

He's better than that.

I'd have thought that at least Burnley or Leicester would be interested
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 14, 2014, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

He's better than that.

I'd have thought that at least Burnley or Leicester would be interested

Haven't the Leicester owners handed Pearson a transfer kitty of approximately a gazzillion pounds? You'd have thought they'd be aiming for higher end players like the lad Bannan at Palace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
is the boy Bannan the one we had?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 14, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
yeah, the kid Bannan is the one we had.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 14, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
yeah, the kid Bannan is the one we had.
The one with the Hollywood passes?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 14, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
That's him, the nipper Bannan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2014, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on May 14, 2014, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

He's better than that.

I'd have thought that at least Burnley or Leicester would be interested

Haven't the Leicester owners handed Pearson a transfer kitty of approximately a gazzillion pounds? You'd have thought they'd be aiming for higher end players like the lad Bannan at Palace.

I think you'll find the proper term is "war chest".

As you were.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 14, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

He's better than that.

I'd have thought that at least Burnley or Leicester would be interested

Everton, Sunderland and Leicester are all interested apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2014, 02:08:16 PM
War Chest.  Love that phrase. Just heard NP's fist signing down at  the KP is Johnny Depp. He's also in for Keef and Ian McShane.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2014, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

I imagine they are.

Much as I am interested in defiling Megan Fox over the course of several hours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 14, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2014, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

I imagine they are.

Much as I am interested in defiling Megan Fox over the course of several hours.

Would you last several minutes?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2014, 03:02:29 PM
Several and I would be very proud of myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2014, 03:04:09 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 14, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2014, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

I imagine they are.

Much as I am interested in defiling Megan Fox over the course of several hours.

Would you last several minutes?

Possibly about three.

The remaining 4 hours 57 minutes would be recovery time.

"Finished now, bab, put your knickers on and fetch me the defibrillator, I think I'm dying from the exertion"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on May 14, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
Marc Albrightons dad is telling his mates that Marc is signing for Leicester.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 14, 2014, 03:25:16 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2014, 02:08:16 PM
War Chest.  Love that phrase. Just heard NP's fist signing down at  the KP is Johnny Depp. He's also in for Keef and Ian McShane.

It's Cheryl Cole's pet name for her bazookas.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2014, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Just read on Twitter that Blues are interested in signing Albrighton on a free at the end of the season

I imagine they are.

Much as I am interested in defiling Megan Fox over the course of several hours.

Relevant scene = 1:49s to 2:40s
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2014, 04:04:30 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 14, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
Marc Albrightons dad is telling his mates that Marc is signing for Leicester.

It would be a good move for him, wouldn't have to up sticks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 14, 2014, 04:08:02 PM
Unless we get sold and new owners in situ pretty sharp I fear we will miss out on Altidore. Again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2014, 04:12:23 PM
gutted by Rikki the wolf wouldn't be a bad plan B?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2014, 04:13:43 PM
It'll be a shame to see Alby go, as he's certainly done enough to earn a new deal and is still one of our best players. He'd be a good signing for Leicester though, and you'd imagine he'd get more game time there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richardhubbard on May 15, 2014, 12:52:25 PM
Craig Gardner out of contract and wants to come back to west midlands, worth a punt?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2014, 12:56:03 PM
IF we're struggling for transfers due to a takeover dragging on, then yes - Craig would be worth a 2 year deal.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2014, 12:56:54 PM
Other players I think we should look at are:
Caulker
Jordan Mutch
Nathan Redmond.
Obviously, all relegated. Could all offer us something we missed last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2014, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2014, 12:56:54 PM
Other players I think we should look at are:
Caulker
Jordan Mutch
Nathan Redmond.
Obviously, all relegated. Could all offer us something we missed last season.

2 of them are heavily tainted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2014, 01:11:36 PM
We don't worry about things like that at VP
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on May 15, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
Ashley Westwood to Newcastle Ive heard
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2014, 02:21:32 PM
Along with Delph?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on May 15, 2014, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2014, 02:21:32 PM
Along with Delph?

Dont think so
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on May 15, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
And Bertrand to Liverpool
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 15, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
I would imagine that we won't be selling or buying anybody until the ownership situation is sorted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Quote from: go on the dog on May 15, 2014, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2014, 02:21:32 PM
Along with Delph?

Dont think so

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/12/football-transfer-rumours-delph-weimann-newcastle
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2014, 02:54:32 PM
"Weimann is arousing interest from Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton"

Are they now just circulating last summers rumours again? Because I'd be fucking amazed if those teams were still interested having watched him this year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2014, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2014, 02:54:32 PM
"Weimann is arousing interest from Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton"

Are they now just circulating last summers rumours again? Because I'd be fucking amazed if those teams were still interested having watched him this year.
I'd be amazed if anyone in the top flight was interested if I'm being brutally honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2014, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 15, 2014, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2014, 02:54:32 PM
"Weimann is arousing interest from Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton"

Are they now just circulating last summers rumours again? Because I'd be fucking amazed if those teams were still interested having watched him this year.
I'd be amazed if anyone in the top flight was interested if I'm being brutally honest.

Yup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2014, 03:09:12 PM
I would hope our uncertainty and contracts being put on hold won't play a part in Delph wanting a move. He could earn more money at Newcastle, and they've already got the squad in place to really push on again. Given that Pardew is still there, that will help us. I can't see too many players from England wanting to play for that tosspot.

The sooner we get a deal done and tie Delphy down to a longer contract, the better.

As for Westwood to the Toon? No chance. They still need to replace Cabeye, and Westwood would be absolutely nowhere near being adequate. He wouldn't even get in the matchday squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
Delphy  and Westy  got a good ring to it mind, the Jawdies like that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 15, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
Aparrently Weimann was getting abused on twitter the other night, I don't agree with that myself but I reckon we'd get £4-£5m for him at best
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on May 15, 2014, 04:00:20 PM
Newcastle to let Dan Gosling go.....


Deja vue !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
I like Weimann. He struggled this season but in fairness most of them did. He's one i'd be keeping hold of because i think he'll get better as he gets older.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on May 15, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 15, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
I would imagine that we won't be selling or buying anybody until the ownership situation is sorted.

I would agree. After all that would be stupid in the extreme.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Left Side on May 15, 2014, 05:43:01 PM
According to the OS afternoon media update we are after another left back, the one from Ipswich we wanted last year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Cresswell? We get linked with him every summer. He must be in his late 30's now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2014, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 15, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Cresswell? We get linked with him every summer. He must be in his late 30's now.
West Ham being linked with him too. Can't see it happening to be honest. It would seem that the constant links probably mean he was the first choice and we've kind of settled for Bennett and then Luna (to disastrous effect in both cases). Perhaps we should have coughed up what Ipswich wanted in the first place. Of course whether he's that much better is another matter.

Lambert won't make another signing here IMO. I think he'll be gone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 15, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
Aparrently Weimann was getting abused on twitter the other night, I don't agree with that myself but I reckon we'd get £4-£5m for him at best
That's not right at all, but I hope he has a mature reaction to it. He did himself no favours with his goal celebration the other week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
I'd be giving Luna another run if Bertrand doesn't come back or if any potential new manager wants his own choice..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 15, 2014, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 15, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Cresswell? We get linked with him every summer. He must be in his late 30's now.

Read in one paper at the weekend that West Ham are lining up a £1.5m bid for him.  Didn't Ipswich want something like £6m a couple of years ago?

I'd prefer Neil Taylor from Swansea. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 15, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
I'd be giving Luna another run if Bertrand doesn't come back or if any potential new manager wants his own choice..

We'd have to accept that none of our full-backs can defend and try and find a formation where they are pushed further forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on May 15, 2014, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
I'd be giving Luna another run if Bertrand doesn't come back or if any potential new manager wants his own choice..
It'd be a pretty brave decision, whatever the circumstances.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on May 16, 2014, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 15, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
I'd be giving Luna another run if Bertrand doesn't come back or if any potential new manager wants his own choice..

We'd have to accept that none of our full-backs can defend and try and find a formation where they are pushed further forward.

I think the manager has recently, hence 3 centre halves, problem is that means the chuckle brothers alongside Vlaar, and their defending is not much more cop than the full backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 16, 2014, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 15, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
I'd be giving Luna another run if Bertrand doesn't come back or if any potential new manager wants his own choice..

We'd have to accept that none of our full-backs can defend and try and find a formation where they are pushed further forward.

I think the manager has recently, hence 3 centre halves, problem is that means the chuckle brothers alongside Vlaar, and their defending is not much more cop than the full backs.
Defenders who can't defend. Midfielders who can't pass and strikers who can't score. Paul Lamberts recipe for success.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
A back 3 of Okore, Vlaar and Lescott would be a much happier recipe I think!


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
A back 3 of Okore, Vlaar and Lescott would be a much happier recipe I think!




Indeed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
I like Weimann. He struggled this season but in fairness most of them did. He's one i'd be keeping hold of because i think he'll get better as he gets older.
only if he is played as a striker. Not a wide player. He'd pretty shite out wide.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 16, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 15, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Cresswell? We get linked with him every summer. He must be in his late 30's now.

Aaron " Benni McCarthy" Cresswell
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on May 16, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.

This.

Also it'd help if he was rested from time to time instead of being made to play every week even though the lad is clearly physically and mentally shot
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: onje_villa on May 16, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
Weimann is a pretty good centre forward to be fair. An instinctive finisher, a good work rate, fox in the box. Completely wasted on the flanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 16, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 15, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Cresswell? We get linked with him every summer. He must be in his late 30's now.

Aaron " Benni McCarthy" Cresswell
Aaron 'Juninho Defoe Keane' Cresswell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2014, 06:15:47 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
I like Weimann. He struggled this season but in fairness most of them did. He's one i'd be keeping hold of because i think he'll get better as he gets older.
only if he is played as a striker. Not a wide player. He'd pretty shite out wide.

Not for me.

Arrogant billy big bollocks that forgot that working hard was what got him to a new contract
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2014, 06:15:47 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
I like Weimann. He struggled this season but in fairness most of them did. He's one i'd be keeping hold of because i think he'll get better as he gets older.
only if he is played as a striker. Not a wide player. He'd pretty shite out wide.

Not for me.

Arrogant billy big bollocks that forgot that working hard was what got him to a new contract
I also think that. I'd fuck him off. Just for that (I think I'm Alan Shearer, who the fuck are you?) Cupped-ear-goal-celebration...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2014, 06:25:55 PM
Bertrand was fairly crap really. Poor positioning and all too easily shouldered off the ball. Which makes those preening selfies of him all the more twattish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on May 16, 2014, 06:32:49 PM
His form steadily declined the longer he was with us, worryingly.

Thought Neil (?) Taylor at Swansea looked like a decent left back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2014, 06:25:55 PM
Bertrand was fairly crap really. Poor positioning and all too easily shouldered off the ball. Which makes those preening selfies of him all the more twattish.
his lack of regular football since he started his career has obviously not helped him. He should have left Chelsea years ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2014, 06:32:49 PM
His form steadily declined the longer he was with us, worryingly.

Thought Neil (?) Taylor at Swansea looked like a decent left back.
He was ok until he got his injury at the start of 12/13 - Ben Davies is much better than him. He'd probably be for sale if someone offered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2014, 06:25:55 PM
Bertrand was fairly crap really. Poor positioning and all too easily shouldered off the ball. Which makes those preening selfies of him all the more twattish.
his lack of regular football since he started his career has obviously not helped him. He should have left Chelsea years ago.
Yep and obviously being around all those Chelsea show pony wankers has rubbed off on him if his ridiculous picture collection is anything to go by.
He's an okay player, but I'd be looking elsewhere. I'd also loath doing business with Mourinho who'll make damn sure he gets as much as possible for Bertrand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2014, 09:17:05 PM
I don't think coming into the coaching orbit of the Tweedles helped much to be fair. When he first arrived from 'The Bridge', there was definitely a footballer there, then C & K went to work and you were just left with another narcissistic prat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2014, 10:49:15 PM
Our original agent is now a free agent after the Baggies let him go. Says it all when he'd be an upgrade on all the eejits we've tried-out at left back in the past 18 months (Enda, Moon, Gordon Bennett and Plastic).

Not sure whose 'lifestyle' pics are in worse taste though, his or Bertrand...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/03/article-2242272-16543087000005DC-200_468x417.jpg)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/714db4e70c386b17241f4ded9b8ffb24/tumblr_mhcwl9S6CJ1qbtho3o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 17, 2014, 12:36:17 AM
That Bertrand pic to me is the absolute epitome of a fella who thinks he's better looking than he is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2014, 01:01:50 AM
I have to say I have been fairly underwhelmed by him.

Neil Taylor as mentioned is decent, and Cresswell from what I have seen would be just as good an option and is pretty creative too.

That Ridgewell photo shoudl see him never get a contract again. All that is wrong with modern football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.

This.

Also it'd help if he was rested from time to time instead of being made to play every week even though the lad is clearly physically and mentally shot

I've been saying the same to my mate who I sit next to down there. Players that age need a breather every now and again. Fergie quite often dropped his young players when he felt they needed it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on May 17, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.

This.

Also it'd help if he was rested from time to time instead of being made to play every week even though the lad is clearly physically and mentally shot

I've been saying the same to my mate who I sit next to down there. Players that age need a breather every now and again. Fergie quite often dropped his young players when he felt they needed it.

I agree but it's not so easy when your other strikers keep getting injured and you are desperate for points.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2014, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 17, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.

This.

Also it'd help if he was rested from time to time instead of being made to play every week even though the lad is clearly physically and mentally shot

I've been saying the same to my mate who I sit next to down there. Players that age need a breather every now and again. Fergie quite often dropped his young players when he felt they needed it.

I agree but it's not so easy when your other strikers keep getting injured and you are desperate for points.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on May 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
@MatKendrick: The real deal: Details of how long each Aston Villa player has left on his current contract #avfc http://t.co/ztSQDE7JsB
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2014, 06:25:55 PM
Bertrand was fairly crap really. Poor positioning and all too easily shouldered off the ball. Which makes those preening selfies of him all the more twattish.

Yep, he went from "going on loan because if he got some games he was in with a chance of going to Brazil" to "are we sure we'd want to keep him even if the transfer fee was reasonable?"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
@MatKendrick: The real deal: Details of how long each Aston Villa player has left on his current contract #avfc http://t.co/ztSQDE7JsB

Quote
Two of them, Given and N’Zogbia, have been surplus to requirements because of their high wages

That seems an odd statement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ez on May 17, 2014, 03:42:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 17, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.

This.

Also it'd help if he was rested from time to time instead of being made to play every week even though the lad is clearly physically and mentally shot

I've been saying the same to my mate who I sit next to down there. Players that age need a breather every now and again. Fergie quite often dropped his young players when he felt they needed it.

I agree but it's not so easy when your other strikers keep getting injured and you are desperate for points.

But isn't that what he signed replacements for? We must have about 10 strikers on the books.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 17, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
@MatKendrick: The real deal: Details of how long each Aston Villa player has left on his current contract #avfc http://t.co/ztSQDE7JsB

Quote
Two of them, Given and N’Zogbia, have been surplus to requirements because of their high wages

That seems an odd statement.

How do you mean "odd"? It's our high wages that has caused all our problems of the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 17, 2014, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: ez on May 17, 2014, 03:42:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 17, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
I reckon Weimann as a central striker would get you 13-15 goals a season.

This.

Also it'd help if he was rested from time to time instead of being made to play every week even though the lad is clearly physically and mentally shot

I've been saying the same to my mate who I sit next to down there. Players that age need a breather every now and again. Fergie quite often dropped his young players when he felt they needed it.

I agree but it's not so easy when your other strikers keep getting injured and you are desperate for points.

But isn't that what he signed replacements for? We must have about 10 strikers on the books.
Yep. The majority of our on pitch problems still rest on Lambert. Injuries can't be used as an excuse. Even against Spurs, for half the game we had Gabby through the middle and Weimann playing wide when it's quite clear, of the two, Gabby's better playing wide, and Weimann is pretty much useless if he's not playing right up top.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
Presumably they were on play and earn contracts?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 17, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
@MatKendrick: The real deal: Details of how long each Aston Villa player has left on his current contract #avfc http://t.co/ztSQDE7JsB

Quote
Two of them, Given and N’Zogbia, have been surplus to requirements because of their high wages

That seems an odd statement.

How do you mean "odd"? It's our high wages that has caused all our problems of the last 4 years.

"Odd" in that, once a player is under contract for a certain amount per week, how can it be the level of wages that decides whether the player is used or not**. Ability or suitability for a particular role, yes but how is their salary relevant ?

(** unless additional salary or contract obligations kick in after a set number of games)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 17, 2014, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 17, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
@MatKendrick: The real deal: Details of how long each Aston Villa player has left on his current contract #avfc http://t.co/ztSQDE7JsB

Quote
Two of them, Given and N’Zogbia, have been surplus to requirements because of their high wages

That seems an odd statement.

How do you mean "odd"? It's our high wages that has caused all our problems of the last 4 years.

"Odd" in that, once a player is under contract for a certain amount per week, how can it be the level of wages that decides whether the player is used or not**. Ability or suitability for a particular role, yes but how is their salary relevant ?

(** unless additional salary or contract obligations kick in after a set number of games)

God knows but we seem to be banishing all the well paid players by either selling them, loaning them out or making them train with the kids. It's clear we don't want them  at the club and it's the reason our squad is now packed out with lower league rubbish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 17, 2014, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 17, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 17, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 17, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
@MatKendrick: The real deal: Details of how long each Aston Villa player has left on his current contract #avfc http://t.co/ztSQDE7JsB

Quote
Two of them, Given and N’Zogbia, have been surplus to requirements because of their high wages

That seems an odd statement.

How do you mean "odd"? It's our high wages that has caused all our problems of the last 4 years.

"Odd" in that, once a player is under contract for a certain amount per week, how can it be the level of wages that decides whether the player is used or not**. Ability or suitability for a particular role, yes but how is their salary relevant ?

(** unless additional salary or contract obligations kick in after a set number of games)

I wondered if they were left out of the first team squad to avoid paying them extra's for being in the 1st team squad or win bonus's (Not that that would have saved much this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
A back 3 of Okore, Vlaar and Lescott would be a much happier recipe I think!

They eventually lost today, but I thought the way Hull played the 3-5-2 formation showed how it should be done.  When we play it, we play a flat back five, the three central defenders end up marking one man and the wingbacks are forced back and are left two on one.  Hull pushed their wing backs on and Arsenal didn't really cause them too many problems in the wide areas.  I still think that formation could work for us, especially if we could field something similar to the back three mentioned above.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on May 17, 2014, 11:12:00 PM
We're busy little bees behind the scenes - I wonder who is sanctioning these decisions?

Apologies for the IT ineptitide.

Austrian kid Anes Omerovic
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9315766/transfer-news-aston-villa-sign-young-midfielder-anes-omerovic-from-aka-vorarlberg (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9315766/transfer-news-aston-villa-sign-young-midfielder-anes-omerovic-from-aka-vorarlberg)

Southampton academy kids Tom Leggett and Isaac Nehemie.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9314829/transfer-news-southampton-midfielder-guly-do-prado-one-of-three-to-leave-club
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2014, 11:13:33 PM
I doubt youth players signing makes a major impact on the club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 17, 2014, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2014, 11:13:33 PM
I doubt youth players signing makes a major impact on the club.
They probably leave that entirely down to our academy chief and scouts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 17, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 17, 2014, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2014, 11:13:33 PM
I doubt youth players signing makes a major impact on the club.
They probably leave that entirely down to our academy chief and scouts.

Probably because they know what they are doing. Unlike our adult scouting section.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
Messi has escaped from right under our noses to sign an extension with Barca. This is what happens when you are in limbo land!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 17, 2014, 11:42:39 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
Messi has escaped from right under our noses to sign an extension with Barca. This is what happens when you are in limbo land!

Criminal.

I wrote to Senor Messi a while back pointing out that we once had a player with the same Christian name and the same initials: Lionel Martin, and that this was surely portentous.  A deeply religious fellow, he obviously got tipped off by some demented cleric about our state of limbo and thought better of it.

Colour code Black.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
Messi has escaped from right under our noses to sign an extension with Barca. This is what happens when you are in limbo land!

He's clearly got no ambition.

Bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on May 18, 2014, 12:43:26 AM
If Lambert decides that he doesn't want to hang around, and the club is not sold quickly then it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Given will be caretaker manager come July.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on May 18, 2014, 01:24:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
Messi has escaped from right under our noses to sign an extension with Barca. This is what happens when you are in limbo land!

He's clearly got no ambition.

Bullet dodged.

FACT!.com
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2014, 09:52:38 AM
Milner's leaving Man City then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 18, 2014, 10:07:30 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 18, 2014, 09:52:38 AM
Milner's leaving Man City then?
Wouldn't surprise me. You'd think they'd keep him to help comply with the home grown rule (though do City really give a toss about rules and restrictions?) but if they want to make a few signings they'll sell first. Milners been useful to them but I would be surprised to see them sell him and then buy some 30 million quid marquee player in his place.
Would love to have Jimmy M back here but I think he'll be moving to a bigger club, and probably well before we're close to being settled with a new owner and manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
agree with all of that; it would be great to see him back (again) at VP but he'd walk into any of the other top four sides' starting 11.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on May 18, 2014, 11:00:25 AM
Where does that come from?  The red tops have the story that City want contract talks with Hart and Milner before the World Cup...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2014, 11:06:37 AM
well it wasn't official but unless I dreamt it, SSN
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on May 18, 2014, 11:43:50 AM
Think Pellegrini rates him more than Mancini did.

If he's really leaving, he will have lots of suitors.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2014, 06:10:25 PM
Rodwell, Richards, Barry, Sinclair and Lescott all available according to SSN. Would love any of them at Villa. Shame we can't have them all, would make a difference to most squads in the premier division.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 18, 2014, 08:43:18 PM
Signed all 5 and they stayed fit we would be a hell of a decent side. Fees wise I doubt it would be massive.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2014, 09:03:40 PM
All but Sinclair would be decent signings, Sinclair is Sidwell-like damaged goods, it's almost the exact same career.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on May 18, 2014, 09:06:22 PM
Whoever is manager and whoever the new owner is or our financial circumstances, we need to make better use of the loan system until we get back on our feet.  Everton have used this to great effect last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 18, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 18, 2014, 06:10:25 PM
Rodwell, Richards, Barry, Sinclair and Lescott all available according to SSN. Would love any of them at Villa. Shame we can't have them all, would make a difference to most squads in the premier division.
That could make us man city B team but hey BCBC!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 18, 2014, 08:43:18 PM
Signed all 5 and they stayed fit we would be a hell of a decent side. Fees wise I doubt it would be massive.

Barry and Lescott would make a massive difference if they stayed fit. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 18, 2014, 09:59:20 PM
I think all of them will be snapped up before we're ready to move, but I welcome all of them. Probably even Sinclair if he could be motivated and found his form again. There's a player there, and in a position we lack options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 18, 2014, 10:14:26 PM
Sinclair was terrible at West Brom, honestly he's more famous these days for his awful missus than his football ability. Never seen the fuss on Rodwell either.

Yes to Lescott, Milner and Richards obviously although all three will have interest from top 6 teams imo.

Just amuses me City are losing all their English players when they need them with these squad restrictions for CL next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 19, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
Wouldn't sign Rodwell, he's not very good and is always injured. Lescott and Richards would be good, but I very much doubt we'd be able to match their wages (particularly Lescott). Imagine Barry will go to Everton.

Sinclair isn't that great, might be okay as a squad player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2014, 10:39:10 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 19, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
Wouldn't sign Rodwell, he's not very good and is always injured. Lescott and Richards would be good, but I very much doubt we'd be able to match their wages (particularly Lescott). Imagine Barry will go to Everton.

Sinclair isn't that great, might be okay as a squad player.

Can't see Everton being able to afford his wages to be honest, particularly as they are going to have to spend big to replace Lukaku. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2014, 10:39:10 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 19, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
Wouldn't sign Rodwell, he's not very good and is always injured. Lescott and Richards would be good, but I very much doubt we'd be able to match their wages (particularly Lescott). Imagine Barry will go to Everton.

Sinclair isn't that great, might be okay as a squad player.

Can't see Everton being able to afford his wages to be honest, particularly as they are going to have to spend big to replace Lukaku. 
I think at his age he'll drop his wage demand to play for them. He seems to be enjoying his time there. They'll give him a decent signing on fee I'd imagine.
The only way he's gonna make more money is to go overseas.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on May 19, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
Don't know if it's been mentioned but heard on R5 over lunchtime that Marc Albrighton not being offered a new contract and likely to be off to Leicester. Thought he was one of our better players towards the end of the season, not that that's saying a fat lot
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 19, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
Don't know if it's been mentioned but heard on R5 over lunchtime that Marc Albrighton not being offered a new contract and likely to be off to Leicester. Thought he was one of our better players towards the end of the season, not that that's saying a fat lot
It's a shame really. He just doesn't fit into a Lambert system. At Albrightons age though I'd guess a move would be best for him. He's got to be playing week in, week out now. Leicester would be a good move for him. Decent club, potential to stay up with 3-4 Prem level signings.

Someone said the other day that Albrightons dad had been telling mates that Albrighton to Leicester is happening, so it would probably seem so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2014, 02:28:59 PM
I'm  rather hoping we see a different system this year! I'd keep Alby - and not been his biggest fan

We're gonna have to make good use of loan signings and free transfers this year.

We need a goal scoring, pacy centre forward - diouf is on a free from Hannover. There might be better bets
A creative influence - we may need to make do with hoolahan
A physically imposing midfielder - I quite like jake Livermore
A left back - Neil Taylor from Swansea or the guy from Ipswich
A centre back - maybe the Cardiff centre back (turner is it?) 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on May 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Will anyone join us while there is uncertainty over the owner?

Not sure I would. If a new billionaire comes in then it could be all change again and if a new manager comes in then you are not one of his signings. Randy dropped the ball on this.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 19, 2014, 03:34:39 PM
Now that Lambert is confirmed as staying, hopefully he will have an idea of what funds he has to spend (probably 50p/packet of crisps) and a list of potential targets. We need to make the best of a bad situation.

I bet Grant Holt and Wes Hoolahan are delighted by this news.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 19, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
Anyone else looking forwards to the new players Lambert and Shithouse will have scouted that we've never heard of?

Latvian Pele's and Democratic Republic of Congo's answer to Patrick Viera. They all sound just what we need and encouraging, until the first time we see them awkwardly shin a ball and know he's found another duffer for couple of mill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
I imagine we'll go back in for Hoolahan now, which I've got no problem with as he can do a job and Norwich won't be able to hold to him now they've been relegated will they?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2014, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 19, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
Anyone else looking forwards to the new players Lambert and Shithouse will have scouted that we've never heard of?

I get the feeling that those players are no longer on Villa's radar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on May 19, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
at least now we know when a player joins he really wants to play for the villa, he aint coming for wealth, glory and an easy life
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnc on May 19, 2014, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: john e on May 19, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
at least now we know when a player joins he really wants to play for the villa, he aint coming for wealth, glory and an easy life

Or no-one else wants him!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on May 19, 2014, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: LeeS on May 19, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Will anyone join us while there is uncertainty over the owner?

Not sure I would. If a new billionaire comes in then it could be all change again and if a new manager comes in then you are not one of his signings. Randy dropped the ball on this.

I'm not sure what else he could do when nobody wants to buy the ball.

Well, at least we're not bleeding money as much. Because who would want to buy a football club losing £50million a year?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
Someone on Twitter reckons Lambert has £7 million to spend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 19, 2014, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 19, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
Someone on Twitter reckons Lambert has £7 million to spend.

I reckon he's got £60m to spend. I'm not on twitter though.  :-\
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 19, 2014, 04:59:27 PM
the 7m is probably for fees and wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 19, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
I'm going to go on Twitter and say he has 3 billion pounds to spend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on May 19, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
Ive heard Westwood to the toon, hes having to sell to buy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 19, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
I imagine we'll go back in for Hoolahan now, which I've got no problem with as he can do a job and Norwich won't be able to hold to him now they've been relegated will they?
I dunno about him. He's not been good enough to get in Norwich's side, and they've just gone down. He's an average player and past his best. I would hope Lambert will push for better. Even so, Norwich will likely let Hoolahoop go, and will have enough takers not to have to sell him to us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 05:25:47 PM
Someone on Twitter said we had the best part of £50m to spend.


Ok it was me, but it's about as reliable as any other twitter rumour.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
It will be about 15 million I would guess.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on May 19, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
Which would be perfectly reasonable if there is a slight adjustment in the wages policy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
Hoolahan. ..ffs ..is that what we've come to...I want my club back..!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on May 19, 2014, 06:50:52 PM
As of now, I'd welcome Hoolahan with open arms.
Lambert is correct, if a takeover doesn't happen, we are in for a struggle.

I don't see where the Albrighton is definitely leaving is coming from - hasn't he just said he is waiting to see what happens with the club?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2014, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 18, 2014, 06:10:25 PM
Rodwell, Richards, Barry, Sinclair and Lescott all available according to SSN. Would love any of them at Villa. Shame we can't have them all, would make a difference to most squads in the premier division.

Gareth Barry is a class above the rest of them and should have been the first player we signed last summer.

The other four made a combined 23 league appearances this season -  Richards (2), Rodwell (5), Sinclair (6), Lescott (10)

Can definitely get better value for money wage wise than those chancers. If three of them cared about their football career they would have go on loan last season, Sinclair who did go on loan didnt even have an impact with West Brom.

Those 4 players nicely sum up what is wrong with the EPL at the moment. Not even making the bench for City having cost crazy money but couldnt be bothered going on loan to get their careers back on track.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Micah Richards has made 9 league appearances in 2 years. I'd be vary wary of signing him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 19, 2014, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
Hoolahan. ..ffs ..is that what we've come to...I want my club back..!

I know, getting players in that are better than we currently have. Imagine that. No way. Not at my club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Micah Richards has made 9 league appearances in 2 years. I'd be vary wary of signing him.

to be fair at least he is getting a "medal" - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/379324/EXCLUSIVE-Manchester-City-to-make-Micah-Richards-a-special-Premier-League-winners-medal

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2014, 08:05:52 PM
Randy knows he can't afford to lose the premier level status, so I reckon Lambert has the usual 20 mill to spend. This time out though, I would rather have three class players than seven crap ones. Maybe, just maybe, the club are being clever by saying we have no money to spend!! Either that or its bloody true!! Albrighton is likely to he on good money as he signed a new contract under spendthrift MON. Might be useful money in terms of cost avoidance?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2014, 09:31:00 PM
I bet it will be about £10m

We need two loan signings and at least one crafty free transfer

We could triumph through adversity if the likes of Delph, Lowton, bacuna, Weimann, gabby and Okore play near their potential.

But is Delph really going to sign a new contract? Why would he?

Unfortunately I'd be tempted to take 17th at the moment. I'm not there yet, but I'd be tempted

Also concerned that getting a good coach and assistant in May be difficult in our situation
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 05:25:47 PM
Someone on Twitter said we had the best part of £50m to spend.


Ok it was me, but it's about as reliable as any other twitter rumour.

I just posted that as well. So two sources confirmed. Time for.....

Confirmed Lambert given £50m to spend this summer!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2014, 09:41:56 PM
Nurnberg were relegated to 2. Bundesliga, so Kiyotake that that crazy Twitter lady kept going on about might be out the door.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
Anyone seen them play last season? I wonder how good he is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
I read that he was pretty awful, but with NZogbia and Albrighton apparently off, we need something creative from somewhere.

Scraping the barrel...

Noone at Cardiff was pretty handy last season.


Sidwell for a million or so might give us some goals from midfield.

Holtby would be a great loan with a view to buy if we could get him in.

Andros Townsend might be available for loan too, Spurs had him very in and out, so might be worth monitoring.

Nathan Redmond, Leroy Fer and Wes Hoolahan have to be worth a good look.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
Noone at Cardiff was pretty handy last season.


I dunno, the keeper wasn't bad.

/i'llgetmecoat
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on May 19, 2014, 10:01:18 PM
Redmond was superb for the U21s tonight, as were both full backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2014, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
I read that he was pretty awful, but with NZogbia and Albrighton apparently off, we need something creative from somewhere.

Scraping the barrel...

Noone at Cardiff was pretty handy last season.


Sidwell for a million or so might give us some goals from midfield.

Holtby would be a great loan with a view to buy if we could get him in.

Andros Townsend might be available for loan too, Spurs had him very in and out, so might be worth monitoring.

Nathan Redmond, Leroy Fer and Wes Hoolahan have to be worth a good look.

Thanks. Bloody hell. takeover rumours aside I had assumed that this transfer window we would have got the ship straight enough that Lerner would authorize spending a little more than usual. Bargain shopping yet again is all a bit depressing. The only positive is I really do rate Lambert in the transfer market. So if trust him to get a couple of good ones out of even the meanest budget.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 19, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
I'd like us to go for Holtby; sends out positive signals too, and Redmond and Hoolahoop could do a job. Fer's no better than what we've got imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on May 19, 2014, 10:12:59 PM
  I know this is the speculation thread, but with the situation that surrounds us we might as well be speculating over the exact date and time of the big bang, any cockend on twatter or other social media site claiming to know the ins and outs of Villa at this time is clearly self deluded.  Things look shit now, that is undeniable, however we none of us know where we will be come the start of the season, whether we are all crowing with our good fortune or staring another season of shit and struggle in the face.  Grow some balls.  We will still be Villa fans, and we will still be one of the great clubs in football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 19, 2014, 10:40:56 PM
ToryGraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10842231/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-set-to-make-move-for-Manchester-City-defender-Joleon-Lescott.html)

Quote
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert set to make move for Manchester City defender Joleon Lescott

Lambert launches ambitious move for Manchester City defender but Marc Albrighton will become the first departure of the summer

By John Percy
10:30PM BST 19 May 2014

 Paul Lambert is ready to launch an ambitious move for Joleon Lescott but Marc Albrighton will become the first departure of an uncertain summer at Aston Villa.

Lambert has met chairman Randy Lerner in New York for talks and been assured funds will be made available this summer, even though the club is up for sale.

Lescott will be targeted after his release from Manchester City and Lambert is hoping for the green light to offer the England international over £55,000-a-week in wages.

Lambert is determined to recruit proven quality players this summer and will assemble a list of targets before presenting them to the Aston Villa owner.

Lewis Holtby is another target but any deal seems remote as Tottenham Hotspur are believed to be demanding £10 million for the midfielder.

That figure is likely to represent Lambert’s entire transfer budget but the Scot will press ahead with plans to strengthen his squad, with the sale of any fringe players used to boost the funds available.

He said: “All I can do is recommend people who I think this club can bring in and ultimately the decision will be with Randy.

“The squad requires strengthening and it won’t be easy but we’ll look to identify players of proven quality to bring in and get ready for the start of the new season.

“Whether Randy is here or new owners the club will always be attractive.”

Albrighton, the winger, is set to leave and join Championship winners Leicester City on a free transfer.

Villa have not offered the former trainee a new deal and Leicester are understood to have promised a £30,000 a week contract, which doubles his current salary.

Lambert will also be searching for new back-room staff after Gary Karsa, the head of football operations, was officially dismissed following his suspension.

Ian Culverhouse, Lambert’s assistant, was also suspended amid allegations of bullying and his exit is likely to be confirmed this month.

Villa are up for sale at £200 million but nothing is close and Lerner could start next season still as chairman.

Lambert said: “The most important thing was keeping the club in the Premier League.

“If we had got relegated and then Randy had put it up for sale it would have been an even more difficult situation.”
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 10:50:01 PM
Lescott would be a bloody good start. Lescott, Okore and Vlaar as a back 3 would give you a really good foundation. Westwood and Delph need a creator with them. Lowton and Bacuna cover the right hand side, could we offload Bennett in a deal for Cresswell and Baker to a championship club? Maybe offer Norwich Baker for Redmond!

Defensively I will be much more confident if we got Lescott and have Okore and Vlaar fit that we won't ship 60 goals again, it is all about getting a couple of forward players that can unlock defences.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 19, 2014, 10:52:53 PM
Lescott in , sounds good
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2014, 10:58:25 PM
Can't see Lescott - wages too high and I'm not sure he's really that good.

I can't get the comprehensive bosman list by league on transfermarkt to work. Can anyone scan and post some names?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
This worries me a bit.

Brendan McLoughlin ‏@bren_mcloughlin  22m
No fresh deals this summer 4 Agbonlahor, Delph, Vlaar - players not out of contract for next season.  May invite interest esp in Delph #avfc

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 19, 2014, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 19, 2014, 10:58:25 PM
Can't see Lescott - wages too high and I'm not sure he's really that good.

I can't get the comprehensive bosman list by league on transfermarkt to work. Can anyone scan and post some names?

Lescott might not be a great player and is certainly not as good as he once was. However, and this is the only thing that matters, he's still better than Baker and Clark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on May 19, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
For me a centre half with pace to back up Vlaar & Okore with Baker or Clark as 4th choice, either of those would be perfectly good 4th choice centre halves, problem this year was that they have been first choices nearly every game.

A solid left back (one who understands his first job is to defend!) and a physical central midfielder (A good quality Sylla)...offer to loan Hoolahan not buy him :-)

Get Okore, Kozak & N'Zogbia fit - integrate Grealish, Gardner, Graham & Robinson into squad

If he has 15-20m then it's quality this summer not punting on the likes of Helenius, Tonev & Bacuna, who you wonder were they scouted before purchase?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on May 19, 2014, 11:09:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
This worries me a bit.

Brendan McLoughlin ‏@bren_mcloughlin  22m
No fresh deals this summer 4 Agbonlahor, Delph, Vlaar - players not out of contract for next season.  May invite interest esp in Delph #avfc


Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
This worries me a bit.

Brendan McLoughlin ‏@bren_mcloughlin  22m
No fresh deals this summer 4 Agbonlahor, Delph, Vlaar - players not out of contract for next season.  May invite interest esp in Delph #avfc



Delph should be signed up ASAP ..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
NZogbia being reported as surplus. Him, Given, Bent and Hutton go, then you could see there being a decent amount of wriggle room. Trouble is, NZogbia in form is a very decent player, and we won't sign anyone better IMO creatively.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
If it's true, as John Percy says above, that Leicester are prepared to double Albrighton's wages that's totally fucking mental. He's out of contract, they don't need to double his wages. Someone who's played as little as he has would I'm sure be delighted top have the same wages maintained. Bonkers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
I suppose they look at it as it's an extra 780k a year. Over three years it's the same as paying a couple of mill fee and a slight wage increase.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 19, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
Lescott would be great but can't see it happening.
Above all, we still need a/two creative midfielders. Barry/Milner ideally but beyond our budget!?
With Kojak back, and later Benteke, we should be ok there, but they need service. Redmond? Hoolahan? (I'm more obsessed with Norwich than Lambert is ffs!!!).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 19, 2014, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
This worries me a bit.

Brendan McLoughlin ‏@bren_mcloughlin  22m
No fresh deals this summer 4 Agbonlahor, Delph, Vlaar - players not out of contract for next season.  May invite interest esp in Delph #avfc

No deals for Delph and Vlaar would be disastrous.

This is in step with what this chap has stated previously:

Quote

Brendan McLoughlin @bren_mcloughlin  ·  May 12

If Lerner still here for entire summer - and my understanding is no buyer waiting in wings - then budget will be slashed even from prev sans(sic)
Quote
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 11:16:00 PM
No contract for Vlaar, and especially Delph would be major mentalism.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:16:04 PM
Christ almighty, budget slashed on previous seasons?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 19, 2014, 11:19:16 PM
"Budget slashed!"
Have just pissed my pants.
Metaphorically.
Just a bit damp.
So far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 11:16:00 PM
No contract for Vlaar, and especially Delph would be major mentalism.

Both will attract bids. And I would bet they will be sold.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on May 19, 2014, 11:20:07 PM
Who is Brendan McLoughlin please?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2014, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
I suppose they look at it as it's an extra 780k a year. Over three years it's the same as paying a couple of mill fee and a slight wage increase.

I do get that, but it's still a couple of million that they don't need to spend. I know the PL money is obscene but a couple of million pounds is still significant to anyone, surely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Micah Richards has made 9 league appearances in 2 years. I'd be vary wary of signing him.
But we need to keep bomb squad numbers up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 19, 2014, 11:26:30 PM
The offer mentioned is 35k PW for 4 years from Leicester, according to other sources.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-marc-albrighton-set-7142574)

Quote
Marc Albrighton set to leave Villa for Premier League rivals

Winger likely to leave at the end of June with Aston Villa struggling to match better contract offer from rival top-flight club


    May 19, 2014 22:30
    By Mat Kendrick

Marc Albrighton is poised to leave Aston Villa this summer with the claret and blues reluctant to match a better offer from a rival Premier League club.

Albrighton is out of contract at the end of next month and although Villa would like to keep him, they face being gazumped by a top-flight foe.

It is believed another Premier League club are prepared to give the 24-year-old winger a longer, more lucrative contract than Villa can offer.

Albrighton will be available on a free transfer when his deal expires and Leicester, Everton and Sunderland have been monitoring his situation.

The Bodymoor Heath academy graduate was Villa’s most consistent player late last season after returning from a loan spell at Wigan with a point to prove.

It comes as Paul Lambert re-iterated his desire to bring in proven Premier League players despite the uncertainty surrounding the club’s future.

Lambert has been given the go ahead to continue as Villa manager after jetting to the United States to meet chairman Randy Lerner late last week.

The 44-year-old Glaswegian admits Lerner publicly placing the club on the market gives him an even bigger challenge in terms of player recruitment.

Lambert stands by his belief Villa need better a better calibre of footballer, but cannot say with any certainty that sufficient funds will be made available.


“I know the club needs better quality, proven footballers,” said Lambert.

“That goes without saying. It’s a club that should be up in that top half anyway. The name Aston Villa itself will make people want to come to it.

“Okay the uncertainty is, ‘who is going to be the chairman or whatever the case may be’, but that won’t stop people from coming.”

Asked if Lerner would be prepared to finance better players, even though he is selling the club, Lambert replied: “You’ll still have to work within the circumstances that have been set to you.”

Pushed on whether that meant more or less money than last season, Lambert suggested his transfer targets would be considered on a case by case basis.

“That’s something that we’ll go through in time, what will happen on that side of it.

“I’ll identify players that I think will come in here, but this football club needs strong players to carry it through.

“You’re going to go and try, that’s for sure. I think that will happen as time goes on. If I see one and think he’ll come in and do it then I’ll go and try and see if we can do it.”

When pressed on the topic of Villa’s playing budget for the summer, Lambert insisted the biggest indicator was the fact the club is on the market.

He added: “I prefer to go to Harrods. I want it, it needs it. It’s not my money. I think people have to remember the club’s up for sale, that’s the big answer.”
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 19, 2014, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 19, 2014, 11:20:07 PM
Who is Brendan McLoughlin please?

Journo for The Times (not sure if freelance).

Specialises in WM Football Clubs and used to be on Express and Star staff.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on May 19, 2014, 11:33:32 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 19, 2014, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 19, 2014, 11:20:07 PM
Who is Brendan McLoughlin please?

Journo for The Times (not sure if freelance).



Specialises in WM Football Clubs and used to be on Express and Star staff.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2014, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
NZogbia being reported as surplus. Him, Given, Bent and Hutton go, then you could see there being a decent amount of wriggle room. Trouble is, NZogbia in form is a very decent player, and we won't sign anyone better IMO creatively.

I can probably count on one hand the number of good games he has had for us since he has been at the club.  Stephen Ireland probably had more of an impact and that is saying something.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 20, 2014, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2014, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
NZogbia being reported as surplus. Him, Given, Bent and Hutton go, then you could see there being a decent amount of wriggle room. Trouble is, NZogbia in form is a very decent player, and we won't sign anyone better IMO creatively.

I can probably count on one hand the number of good games he has had for us since he has been at the club.  Stephen Ireland probably had more of an impact and that is saying something.   

We are a bit of a graveyard for the mercurial trickster. It never really works when we buy them in. I guess Merson (or half a season of Carbone) were the last ones to have an impact.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 12:30:38 AM
Ashley Young did alright for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 20, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
If we did get Lescott (still a big if of course) then it is a buy I would approve off.  One of the things we need most is experience to help Vlaar out at the back, also he is a threat from set plays, and should be up for a fresh challenge having fallen out of favour at City.

But losing Albrighton would be a blow, he is one of the only players who you can say put in a consistent shift in the last couple of seasons.  He works hard, and has decent skill and crossing ability, and more to the point still has his best years ahead of him.  Can see him fitting in well at the Foxes where he would play every week.  Serves us right really, he should have been playing far more under Lambert than he has been.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 12:47:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 12:30:38 AM
Ashley Young did alright for us.

I would love him back. Even diving and all that.

I think if Lescott comes, we will see a lot of 3-5-2 next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 20, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 12:47:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 12:30:38 AM
Ashley Young did alright for us.

I would love him back. Even diving and all that.

I think if Lescott comes, we will see a lot of 3-5-2 next season.

As a rule you shouldn't go back to a club, just have a feel he wouldn't be as good second time around.  Besides given how far we have fallen since he left it is highly unlikely he would return.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on May 20, 2014, 02:43:06 AM
Lets not beat around the bush here.. Albrighton ain't worth 35k a week. I would rather have Nzogbia in team with Grealish on bench every time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on May 20, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
Would be just our luck if Lescott came in and Vlaar left!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 20, 2014, 07:06:31 AM
If Van Gaal comes knocking for Vlaar we should shaft a Yanited and demand £25m plus say Jonny Evans. If vlaar has a good WC I can see him going.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2014, 07:11:49 AM
£25m for Ron vlaar, with a year left on his contract

Strewth
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 20, 2014, 07:33:08 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on May 20, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
Would be just our luck if Lescott came in and Vlaar left!

You missed out the bit whereby Lescott immediately proceeds to get injured and be out for 6 weeks/months/years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 20, 2014, 07:36:54 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 20, 2014, 07:11:49 AM
£25m for Ron vlaar, with a year left on his contract

Strewth
Fair enough thought he had 2 left.
£6m then
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 20, 2014, 07:48:36 AM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 20, 2014, 02:43:06 AM
Lets not beat around the bush here.. Albrighton ain't worth 35k a week. I would rather have Nzogbia in team with Grealish on bench every time.

They kick a bag of wind around a pitch. None of them should get that. But they do, some many times more. The market dictates. I try not to think about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 20, 2014, 08:22:46 AM
£25mil for Vlaar would be the biggest piss take EVER!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2014, 08:33:21 AM
Albrighton is at best a premier league squad player for a lower half side.

Sadly we're probably not likely to improve on him if things are getting tighter.

Lescott would be a good signing. Exprienced and a top six player to go with Vlaar and bring Okore on. Certainly a better couple of options than Baker or Clark.

To add on that, I think we need to be planning for the short term. I don't see an issue in loading a few exprienced players like Lescott and say Hoolahan onto the wage bill for two/three year deals on good wages, when they are free or very low budget signings. There can no longer be any long term planning as this time next year we will have new ownership.

We need quality throughout the side. We cannot afford to buy players in their prime, so why not pick up exprienced players towards the back end of their career? Somebody with real guille and knowhow playing in midfield with Westwood will likely do him the worl of good. Especially if we have players like Hoolihan and Holtby on loan etc moving in front of them.

There is no reason why we cannot move into the new season with a stronger, more exprienced and creative squad, even with a lower budget. The Spanish champions won the league and got to a European Cup final on the back of a side that cost £30 million.

We're just hoping for 10th (which was where we were for most of the season until an English style collapse towards the end) and to swat Mickey Mouse chancers in the cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 20, 2014, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 20, 2014, 08:22:46 AM
£25mil for Vlaar would be the biggest piss take EVER!

Where's KKK when you need him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LondonBoy on May 20, 2014, 08:37:24 AM
If the most ardent villa supporter can't possibly think vlaar is:

1. Good enough for united
2. Worth anything close to 25m
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:57:26 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:16:04 PM
Christ almighty, budget slashed on previous seasons?

Indeed and we should be desperately trying to get Delph and Vlaar to sign new deals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2014, 09:20:59 AM
------------------Guzan------------------
--------Okore---Vlaar----Lescott-------
Bacuna---Westwood----Delph---XXXXX
---------------XXXXXXX-----------------
------------Kovak----Gabby-------------

Looks okay to me, depending on who the XXXXX players become.  There would be some strength on the bench too with Clark, Lowton and Baker providing depth to the back three.  Lowton and Bennet alternatives to the wing backs.  KEA/Gardner in midfield and Weimann up top.  Obviously Benteke to play up front when he returns.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on May 20, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 20, 2014, 07:06:31 AM
If Van Gaal comes knocking for Vlaar we should shaft a Yanited and demand £25m plus say Jonny Evans. If vlaar has a good WC I can see him going.

Surely there's a decimal point missing there!!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2014, 09:43:45 AM
He does raise a good point though. He's only got a year left, Van Gaal has picked him solidly for the national team and with Ferdinand and Vidic gone it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them throwing say, £5m at us as an extra option and us being happy to sell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2014, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen

If the contracts being mentioned are true then fair play, I like Albrighton and think he's a better player than he gets credit for but £35k p/w is a lot more than I'd be willing to offer him this summer - 20k for 2-3 years, with an agreement to review it next summer if he achieves x, y and z.  That's the sensible offer that gives us options when the takeover happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Loxton01 on May 20, 2014, 10:23:43 AM
As I see it the key to the summer and the directive from Lerner I expect will be we can have some of the extraover money for the increased prize funds from the League. Lerner will not be making any more funds available and the total wage pot will remain as is. I would expect we would be given circa 20m like previous years

The absolute key is to get rid of the deadwood to release wages

Bent
Given - coaching role?
Hutton
NZog

All have to go - I dont know how but Id allow them all to leave for free or minimal transfer fees to get them off the wage bill as I would suggest they will release circa 200K off the wage bill

Add to this generating 3 million max in transfer fees plus release up wages

Helenius - 10K
Tonev - 10k
Bowery - Season Long Loan at Championship club
Luna - 10K
Fonz - 10K
Stevens - 10K
Sylla  - 10K


That gives us a starting position to look for Free Transfers, Loan Players and possibly purchases

Micah Richards
Joleon Lescott

Id go for both of those and be prepared to offer the 50K a week wages to get them. We have to have a solid base as we havent for years.

Id also see if we could get Bertrand on a season long loan from Chelsea

We would then have defense as follows

GK - Guzan Steer
RB - Richards Lowton
LB - Bertrand Bennett
CB - Vlarr Lescott Okore Baker

In midfield we need one class signing who I dont know but that player to play in behind Benteke or another. I think with Delph Westwood et al we can cope if we have that one marquee signing.

Up front we need a freshness and Id let Gabby go as he is coasting and really annoys me. Matty Fryatt is available on a free and I think he would bring some energy to the team upfront.

Id also look at Redmond as I think he could be a gem

There all players we could get premier league experience and would improve us



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2014, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: Loxton01 on May 20, 2014, 10:23:43 AM

Bent
Given - coaching role?
Hutton
NZog

All have to go - I dont know how

We need to arrange for all of them to have an accident and then the insurance payout can go into the transfer "war chest" in addition to the wage savings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villasjf on May 20, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2014, 09:20:59 AM
------------------Guzan------------------
--------Okore---Vlaar----Lescott-------
Bacuna---Westwood----Delph---XXXXX
---------------XXXXXXX-----------------
------------Kovak----Gabby-------------

Looks okay to me, depending on who the XXXXX players become.  There would be some strength on the bench too with Clark, Lowton and Baker providing depth to the back three.  Lowton and Bennet alternatives to the wing backs.  KEA/Gardner in midfield and Weimann up top.  Obviously Benteke to play up front when he returns.
I think Gardner will not be offerred a new contract, as I understand his contract is up this month. Lambert doesnt trust/rate him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: villasjf on May 20, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2014, 09:20:59 AM
------------------Guzan------------------
--------Okore---Vlaar----Lescott-------
Bacuna---Westwood----Delph---XXXXX
---------------XXXXXXX-----------------
------------Kovak----Gabby-------------

Looks okay to me, depending on who the XXXXX players become.  There would be some strength on the bench too with Clark, Lowton and Baker providing depth to the back three.  Lowton and Bennet alternatives to the wing backs.  KEA/Gardner in midfield and Weimann up top.  Obviously Benteke to play up front when he returns.
I think Gardner will not be offerred a new contract, as I understand his contract is up this month. Lambert doesnt trust/rate him.

He already has been.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-offer-contract-extension-7133180
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
Can you actually see Vlaar playing for Man United? He'd be injured more than he'd be playing, we have Baker anyway so I'm unworried
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?

I would think that Gardner would be on minimal wages. If Leicester are offering Albrighton £35k a week as reported, I think that's probably the reason.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
According to Nursey there is now a contract ban in place at Villa? So Vlaar and Delph won't be offered new contracts?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?

I would think that Gardner would be on minimal wages. If Leicester are offering Albrighton £35k a week as reported, I think that's probably the reason.

Much as I hate to see other clubs take players away from us - and there's a good case for Albrighton to stay - if they're really going to pay him 35k a week, then:

1. They're absolutely nuts.
2. They can have him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?

I would think that Gardner would be on minimal wages. If Leicester are offering Albrighton £35k a week as reported, I think that's probably the reason.

Much as I hate to see other clubs take players away from us - and there's a good case for Albrighton to stay - if they're really going to pay him 35k a week, then:

1. They're absolutely nuts.
2. They can have him.

3. He'd be mad not to go, and to be honest it's best for both parties.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?

I would think that Gardner would be on minimal wages. If Leicester are offering Albrighton £35k a week as reported, I think that's probably the reason.

Much as I hate to see other clubs take players away from us - and there's a good case for Albrighton to stay - if they're really going to pay him 35k a week, then:

1. They're absolutely nuts.
2. They can have him.

Plus a significant signing on fee. Not worth it at all.

Gardner has been offered a new contract because if not then he can walk away without compo. Offering him new terms means he can't be taken without a tribunal setting a fee for the transfer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 20, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
According to Nursey there is now a contract ban in place at Villa? So Vlaar and Delph won't be offered new contracts?

If that is true that is very bad news and highlights why we desperately need to be sold.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
Before Leicester became interested it seemed pretty split on here as to whether he should even be offered a new contract at all. With that in mind, he'd be utterly crazy not to set himself up for life.

They're basically writing him a cheque for £5.5m.

Best of luck to the lad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 20, 2014, 11:13:21 AM
I would imagine we have offered MA a two year contract for £30k a week or less. If Leicester have offered him better terms and he remain living in Tamworth then it makes sense for him to go. Played well to try and get a Villa contract but for me hasn't done enough to get a better offer - unfortunate but will he actually improve - also gets a few niggly injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 11:14:24 AM
And is inclined to give away stupid, stupid free kicks!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on May 20, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: Loxton01 on May 20, 2014, 10:23:43 AM



That gives us a starting position to look for Free Transfers, Loan Players and possibly purchases

Micah Richards
Joleon Lescott

Id go for both of those and be prepared to offer the 50K a week wages to get them. We have to have a solid base as we havent for years.

Id also see if we could get Bertrand on a season long loan from Chelsea

We would then have defense as follows

GK - Guzan Steer
RB - Richards Lowton
LB - Bertrand Bennett
CB - Vlarr Lescott Okore Baker






  Can we not give Baker away to a newly promoted club, so that we are sure of at least 6 points next season, and keep Clark?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 20, 2014, 11:23:03 AM
Worringly, other than Albrighton leaving, I've not seen much talk of any other clubs being interested in some of the rubbish we need to get rid of.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 20, 2014, 11:48:29 AM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
Hoolahan. ..ffs ..is that what we've come to...I want my club back..!

HOUSE!!

I win at forum cliche bingo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on May 20, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: Loxton01 on May 20, 2014, 10:23:43 AM



That gives us a starting position to look for Free Transfers, Loan Players and possibly purchases

Micah Richards
Joleon Lescott

Id go for both of those and be prepared to offer the 50K a week wages to get them. We have to have a solid base as we havent for years.

Id also see if we could get Bertrand on a season long loan from Chelsea

We would then have defense as follows

GK - Guzan Steer
RB - Richards Lowton
LB - Bertrand Bennett
CB - Vlarr Lescott Okore Baker






  Can we not give Baker away to a newly promoted club, so that we are sure of at least 6 points next season, and keep Clark?

This is way more sensible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?

I would think that Gardner would be on minimal wages. If Leicester are offering Albrighton £35k a week as reported, I think that's probably the reason.

Much as I hate to see other clubs take players away from us - and there's a good case for Albrighton to stay - if they're really going to pay him 35k a week, then:

1. They're absolutely nuts.
2. They can have him.

Plus a significant signing on fee. Not worth it at all.

Gardner has been offered a new contract because if not then he can walk away without compo. Offering him new terms means he can't be taken without a tribunal setting a fee for the transfer.

Although in Gardner's case it would be more likely 'limp' or 'hobble' away.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2014, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
  Can we not give Baker away to a newly promoted club, so that we are sure of at least 6 points next season, and keep Clark?
[/quote]

Joking aside - In an ideal world we would loan him to Championship side for the season (he did well at Milwall iirc) and see how/if he develops.  Most of his mistakes could be put down to a lack of experience, so given games he could develop into a good player like Curtis Davies has, and seemlessly replace Lescott once his legs go.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2014, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
  Can we not give Baker away to a newly promoted club, so that we are sure of at least 6 points next season, and keep Clark?

Joking aside - In an ideal world we would loan him to Championship side for the season (he did well at Milwall iirc) and see how/if he develops.  Most of his mistakes could be put down to a lack of experience, so given games he could develop into a good player like Curtis Davies has, and seemlessly replace Lescott once his legs go.
[/quote]

Just don't see it with him I'm afraid.  We'd be better off selling him to said Championship club and trying to get what we can for him. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on May 20, 2014, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 20, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
Before Leicester became interested it seemed pretty split on here as to whether he should even be offered a new contract at all. With that in mind, he'd be utterly crazy not to set himself up for life.

They're basically writing him a cheque for £5.5m.

Best of luck to the lad.

A fit Nzogbia is better than Albrighton, I hope this season he is given a chance rather than being bombed out due to his wages because we are going to need everybody at the club giving their all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on May 20, 2014, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Why offer Gardner a new deal and not Albrighton?

I would think that Gardner would be on minimal wages. If Leicester are offering Albrighton £35k a week as reported, I think that's probably the reason.

Much as I hate to see other clubs take players away from us - and there's a good case for Albrighton to stay - if they're really going to pay him 35k a week, then:

1. They're absolutely nuts.
2. They can have him.

Quite. I read somewhere recently that agents had been instructed Villa were not able to go over £35k a week... if true, Albrighton's going to earn significantly more than he ever would do at Villa.

Sounds as if it's experienced loans and frees for us this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on May 20, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
Yeah....after watching him in all of his home appearances at VP, i somehow doubt N'zogbia is the sort of person who is going to give it his all for Villa...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Rolta on May 20, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: Loxton01 on May 20, 2014, 10:23:43 AM



That gives us a starting position to look for Free Transfers, Loan Players and possibly purchases

Micah Richards
Joleon Lescott

Id go for both of those and be prepared to offer the 50K a week wages to get them. We have to have a solid base as we havent for years.

Id also see if we could get Bertrand on a season long loan from Chelsea

We would then have defense as follows

GK - Guzan Steer
RB - Richards Lowton
LB - Bertrand Bennett
CB - Vlarr Lescott Okore Baker






  Can we not give Baker away to a newly promoted club, so that we are sure of at least 6 points next season, and keep Clark?

This is way more sensible.

I have to say this is an excellent suggestion, and as Clark is as bad we could effectively sew up two of the relegation spots before we kick off.

Trojan horse trading.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
Quote from: Rolta on May 20, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: Loxton01 on May 20, 2014, 10:23:43 AM



That gives us a starting position to look for Free Transfers, Loan Players and possibly purchases

Micah Richards
Joleon Lescott

Id go for both of those and be prepared to offer the 50K a week wages to get them. We have to have a solid base as we havent for years.

Id also see if we could get Bertrand on a season long loan from Chelsea

We would then have defense as follows

GK - Guzan Steer
RB - Richards Lowton
LB - Bertrand Bennett
CB - Vlarr Lescott Okore Baker






  Can we not give Baker away to a newly promoted club, so that we are sure of at least 6 points next season, and keep Clark?

This is way more sensible.

I agree also. Whilst Clark is shit, Baker is extremely shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on May 20, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
Yeah....after watching him in all of his home appearances at VP, i somehow doubt N'zogbia is the sort of person who is going to give it his all for Villa...

I never really doubted his effort, his was his unerring ability to pass or dribble at exactly the wrong time which bothered me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:57:26 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2014, 11:16:04 PM
Christ almighty, budget slashed on previous seasons?

Indeed and we should be desperately trying to get Delph and Vlaar to sign new deals.

And the wrecking spree of Lerner continues! A great way of boosting ST sales!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2014, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on May 20, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
Yeah....after watching him in all of his home appearances at VP, i somehow doubt N'zogbia is the sort of person who is going to give it his all for Villa...

I never really doubted his effort, his was his unerring ability to pass or dribble at exactly the wrong time which bothered me.

Yeah, but we saw plenty of evidence he could do that whilst at Wigan. I think he had a dose of the Curcic / Ginola / Ireland / Solano persona that perhaps didn't settle as they didn't see us as fashionable enough for them. Billy 'big bollocks' attitude.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen

Yes, it makes great business sense to let MA go on a free ..... then it will cost £4-5M to replace him plus wages - very good business logic Randy!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen

Yes, it makes great business sense to let MA go on a free ..... then it will cost £4-5M to replace him plus wages - very good business logic Randy!

Yeah it makes great business sense to gazump Leicester's reported off to him and put a player that's in and out for four years on £40k a week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen

Yes, it makes great business sense to let MA go on a free ..... then it will cost £4-5M to replace him plus wages - very good business logic Randy!

how about the club doesn't see him worth that kind of money because his performances over a few seasons collectively haven't been good enough and for free we give Jack Grealish a chance?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 20, 2014, 01:40:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen

Yes, it makes great business sense to let MA go on a free ..... then it will cost £4-5M to replace him plus wages - very good business logic Randy!

how about the club doesn't see him worth that kind of money because his performances over a few seasons collectively haven't been good enough and for free we give Jack Grealish a chance?

Speaking of whom, we had better renew his contract as well, or Burnleh will be in like Flynn.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on May 20, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
A few people have suggested getting Micah Richards, and while I think he'd be a good signing on paper he's only played 9 league games in 2 years, and judging from what a lot of City fans are saying he hasn't been able to get over the injuries he suffered a few years back.

That said, he is only 25 and you could argue that he just needs a run of 1st team games somewhere, but with our record with injuries is he worth the risk?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: dekko on May 20, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
A few people have suggested getting Micah Richards, and while I think he'd be a good signing on paper he's only played 9 league games in 2 years, and judging from what a lot of City fans are saying he hasn't been able to get over the injuries he suffered a few years back.

That said, he is only 25 and you could argue that he just needs a run of 1st team games somewhere, but with our record with injuries is he worth the risk?

I think for someone with his calibre, and his age, and given that our defenders are largely hopeless then yes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: dekko on May 20, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
A few people have suggested getting Micah Richards, and while I think he'd be a good signing on paper he's only played 9 league games in 2 years, and judging from what a lot of City fans are saying he hasn't been able to get over the injuries he suffered a few years back.

That said, he is only 25 and you could argue that he just needs a run of 1st team games somewhere, but with our record with injuries is he worth the risk?

I think for someone with his calibre, and his age, and given that our defenders are largely hopeless then yes.

No way Lerner will pay his type of wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 20, 2014, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: dekko on May 20, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
A few people have suggested getting Micah Richards, and while I think he'd be a good signing on paper he's only played 9 league games in 2 years, and judging from what a lot of City fans are saying he hasn't been able to get over the injuries he suffered a few years back.

That said, he is only 25 and you could argue that he just needs a run of 1st team games somewhere, but with our record with injuries is he worth the risk?

I think for someone with his calibre, and his age, and given that our defenders are largely hopeless then yes.

No way Lerner will pay his type of wages.

That's because he insists on being paid Args from The Adventure Game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 20, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 19, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
Fuck me..is there any good news ? Ok Albrighton might not be a world beater but he is an asset that is being given away..as for the purse strings might be tighter than the season just gone and it adds up to....disaster waiting to happen

Yes, it makes great business sense to let MA go on a free ..... then it will cost £4-5M to replace him plus wages - very good business logic Randy!
FFS get a grip you two. He is not worth £35K a week and just because Leicester are desperate and will dish out silly money to ensure survival we don't have to do the same. Good luck to the lad if he can secure his future but no thanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2014, 02:21:31 PM
Where did this 35k a week come from anyway or are we just believing what we read on twitter again?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: clash city rocker on May 20, 2014, 02:25:54 PM
Well I sincerely hope he has a shit season for them as in the relegation battle next season they will be one of the three teams that we hope are worse than us.If he really makes a difference to them then that will push us closer to the trap door.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 20, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 20, 2014, 02:21:31 PM
Where did this 35k a week come from anyway or are we just believing what we read on twitter again?

Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2014/05/20/leicester-city-set-to-swoop-for-aston-villas-marc-albrighton/)  among others.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 03:39:14 PM
Good luck to Albrighton if he can earn that, he's nowhere near that level and I wouldn't expect us to compete with that. He's a decent player but that's about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on May 20, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
Does anyone seriously believe we would be able to sign Micah Richards?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 20, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 20, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
Does anyone seriously believe we would be able to sign Micah Richards?

Only if Citheh paid some of his wages.

A no from me unless we get him on a pay as you play basis (highly unlikely).

Another one to me who looks a bit of a busted flush, don't see hunger or appetite and do see injuries. See Gabby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2014, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 20, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 20, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
Does anyone seriously believe we would be able to sign Micah Richards?

Only if Citheh paid some of his wages.

A no from me unless we get him on a pay as you play basis (highly unlikely).

Another one to me who looks a bit of a busted flush, don't see hunger or appetite and do see injuries. See Gabby.

He would have the potential to be Jermaine Jenas the Second.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
Quote from: Richard E on May 20, 2014, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 20, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 20, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
Does anyone seriously believe we would be able to sign Micah Richards?

Only if Citheh paid some of his wages.

A no from me unless we get him on a pay as you play basis (highly unlikely).

Another one to me who looks a bit of a busted flush, don't see hunger or appetite and do see injuries. See Gabby.

He would have the potential to be Jermaine Jenas the Second.
Unfortunately he's that reputation of player that we can only ever really sign if they're A- a busted flush, or B- getting on a bit. I think because Richards is only 25 he'll be hesitant to drop his wage level to our bracket.

Lescott on a free will hopefully be do-able.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on May 20, 2014, 04:55:17 PM
Richards would be a gamble as he has been injured alot recently.I also think he will get better offers elsewhere anyway
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: clash city rocker on May 20, 2014, 05:18:26 PM
The money they all want is obscene.  To be fair it's not just football although it is far the worst for paying ridiculous amounts of money. A mate of mine played rugby for Gloucester + harlequins in the 19 80 ' as well as England B and he his totally disillusioned with the professional game now as he reckons too many nobodies are being paid far to much..  Bet the likes of Sid, Withey and Morley think exactly the same...Still that's life as they say.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hale on May 20, 2014, 06:52:36 PM
If we are marking time until the new owner rides into town (I shudder at the thought of a combination of those at Leeds, Hull, Cardiff and the Blose) RL needs to mend some fences with some players on current contracts:

Given should be no.2 to Brad (Steer to go out on loan for a season)
Hutton should be back up to Lowton
Nzog should be in the match day squad if fully fit
Bent should be spearheading the attack until CB and Kozak are fit (he does score goals but only if he regularly plays)
We are paying them big bucks and they should be given the responsibility to demonstrate why they were bought in the first place.

Bring in experience in defence (Lescott), defensive midfield (Medel/Parker/Tettey - all now in the championship), a no.10 (Holtby/Hoolahan) and perhaps a winger

We could start the new season: 4 2 3 1
Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Lescott, Bennett, Medel, Delph, Nzog, Holtby, Tonev (or new signing) , Bent

with Given, Hutton, Okore, Baker, Luna, Westwood, KEA, Gabby, Bacuna, Bowery, Weimann as second team

and youngsters Grealish, Donacien and Robinson to get more experience.

We will not be great shakes but we need to plan for the eventuality that the takeover is not in place before the season starts. (and we do need a more positive way of playing).

Finally, I dont understand why we dont offer extended contracts to Vlaar and Delph - surely that will increase their value?

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 20, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
Quote from: Hale on May 20, 2014, 06:52:36 PM

Finally, I dont understand why we dont offer extended contracts to Vlaar and Delph - surely that will increase their value?

The depressing answer I would give is that we would then have to pay them more for at least half of next season.

If you believe as I do, that Villa will not be sold this year then Lerner will be cutting back on all costs. This means going slow on new contracts and slashing the transfer budget.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: exigo on May 20, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
Marc Albrighton and Nathan Delfouneso both released according the OS.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
Quote
The Club can confirm that Marc Albrighton has been released.

The 24-year-old Tamworth-born winger made nine Premier League starts last season and 10 more as a substitute after a loan spell at Wigan Athletic.

He joined the Academy as an eight-year-old and made 101 appearances in total following his debut in the UEFA Cup game at CSKA Moscow in February 2009, starting 48 Premier League games and making a further 38 appearances from the substitutes' bench.

He also featured in 15 cup games, scoring nine goals in total and seven in the Premier League.

Villa manager Paul Lambert said: "We wish Marc the best in his future career and acknowledge the contribution he has made to the Club over the past several years having graduated from our Academy."

Nathan Delfouneso, another Academy graduate who spent last season on loan at Coventry, has also been released.

The 23-year-old striker made four starts in the Premier League and 27 more appearances as a substitute.

He also made 19 appearances in cup competitions, having marked his first team debut as a 17-year-old in the UEFA Cup second round tie against Icelandic side FH Hafnarfjöršur in August 2008.

Lambert added: "We also wish Nathan the best for his career and thank him for his efforts since he, too, graduated from our Academy."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 07:18:47 PM
It's one thing to not make big financial decisions if the owner wants out but I don't see how giving Vlaar and Delph new deals can possibly be a bad thing.

If we lost two of our best players because of the ownership impasse, it would be a piece of management so bad it'd be abysmal even by Lerner's low standards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2014, 07:19:47 PM
Not too surprised about Delfouneso. Pity about Albrighton though, he would have been decent to keep around.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2014, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: exigo on May 20, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
Marc Albrighton and Nathan Delfouneso both released according the OS.
What I don't get is, that frees up more than enough on our wage budget to offer new deals to Delph, Vlaar and Gabby. Delph for certain has to be a priority. The other two, in a years time, hopefully we could live without.
It's absolutely crazy from Lerner to potentially see us lose some of the few players we have who'd pick up a reasonable transfer fee. Delph in today's market is a 10 million pound player, IF he's on a long contract. If we sell him now, we'd be lucky to get 5. Lerner could well be here for years yet, there's no certainty of a takeover. He's still got to look after our squad, and do his best to keep our best players on board.

I'm fucking glad we got Benteke tied down last year, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
I don't mind Albrighton or Fonz leaving to be honest, Marc looked decent in a dreadful side towards the end of the season. He's a decent player but nothing more. We do however need to get Delph and Vlaar new deals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 20, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
Delfouneso is no loss & in truth I'm not too bothered about Albrighton either. If he can get £35k / week at Leicester, good luck to him but he's not a premiership player.

I doubt that Delph or Vlar will be sorted out until after the World Cup, by which time we'll hopefully be sold. If by that time any sale is not in place then I'm not sure what we'll do?

Gabby - I don't think he's shown enough last season to earn a new contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bully2345 on May 20, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 20, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
Delfouneso is no loss & in truth I'm not too bothered about Albrighton either. If he can get £35k / week at Leicester, good luck to him but he's not a premiership player.

I doubt that Delph or Vlar will be sorted out until after the World Cup, by which time we'll hopefully be sold. If by that time any sale is not in place then I'm not sure what we'll do?

Gabby - I don't think he's shown enough last season to earn a new contract.

Agree with this completely
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on May 20, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
Would be just our luck if Lescott came in and Vlaar left!

dont have much time for Lescott but would prefer him over Vlaar if that were the choice

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 08:06:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
I don't mind Albrighton or Fonz leaving to be honest, Marc looked decent in a dreadful side towards the end of the season. He's a decent player but nothing more. We do however need to get Delph and Vlaar new deals.

Vlaar is too poor a leader and too injury prone to be our first choice centre half.

If we get half decent offers Gabby and Vlaar should be two of the first players out of the club.

Dont see the love in for captain Vlaar at all. Woeful in his first season, better last season but not by that much.

Im hoping that he will have a good World Cup to get his value increased but the fact that he is one of their main defenders shows how average a Dutch side this year's is. He was exposed to ridicule at Euro 2012.

Delph should be given a new contract for sure. Has come back from bad injuries, poor form, abuse from his fans etc to be our best player. I think he is a good character to have around the club and should be rewarded.

Last season was the worst Villa side since 86/87. Delph and Guzan are the only two of the current squad that deserve consideration for new deals.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Vlaar is fine and the least of our problems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Vlaar is fine and the least of our problems.

Granted we have a lot of problems but surely it is worth reviewing the efforts of our captain at the back over the past two seasons (130 league goals conceded)?

How good do others think Vlaar is?

Id rank him somewhere between average at best and a lumbering, injury prone, responsibility dodging, charlatan at his worst

The same description could apply to our "leader" up front - Gabby Agbonlahor

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2014, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Vlaar is fine and the least of our problems.

Granted we have a lot of problems but surely it is worth reviewing the efforts of our captain at the back over the past two seasons (130 league goals conceded)?

How good do others think Vlaar is?

Id rank him somewhere between average at best and a lumbering, injury prone, responsibility dodging, charlatan at his worst

The same description could apply to our "leader" up front - Gabby Agbonlahor


I'd agree on both fronts (wouldn't go as far as charlatan). Vlaar is certainly a player we need for the here and now. A year down the line? Hopefully we'll be looking for much better. I mean I like Rons attitude but he's an average player with a very poor injury record. I think despite missing a few games this season, the final couple of months did seem a struggle for him. He struggles to play week after week and for 90 minutes IMO.

The same might be said of Lescott to be fair, but on his day he's a better player and you'd hope that with two experienced defenders on the books, when one is injured the other can step in.

I'd not be disappointed to see us just run Vlaars deal out. He's never going to attract a big fee given his ability, age and injury record.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
Vlaar has largely been stuffed by trying to cover for Baker or Clark, he's a good player. If you put him next to another good centre half he'd be fine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on May 20, 2014, 08:25:52 PM
Count me as another who's not convinced by Vlaar.

He's good enough for Villa at the moment but no way is he of the standard that a rebuilding Man Utd should be looking at.

However, if LVG does for some reason want him, Villa should seriously consider selling.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
Vlaar has largely been stuffed by trying to cover for Baker or Clark, he's a good player. If you put him next to another good centre half he'd be fine.
I think with his legs he's coming to a point where he should be playing 20 games a season, rather than 30 plus. Bring in Lescott. Partner him and Vlaar for big games, and rotate Okore with them. Clark as 4th choice.
Next year see what market we're shopping in, if we're still in this predicament, we can offer Vlaar a 1-2 year extension. If we've got a budget then I'd be look at a better quality CH as our new first choice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 20, 2014, 08:28:32 PM
Blimey, you lot are hard to please. Vlaar's been the only decent defender in a team of players who are surprisingly bad at defending. I think given the circumstances, he's done extremely well. Aside from Benteke, Delph and Guzan, he's one of the few players I'd be genuinely disappointed to see leave.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 20, 2014, 08:42:38 PM
Not really upset they are both leaving. Good lads and I hope they do well elsewhere but honestly they never really impressed for us. Albrighton had a few decent games towards the end of this season but I would hope we can do better.

The fact that the club are letting him leave gives me some hope that in fact we are going to buy buying players this window. No way would you let a cheap workmanlike academy grad like Marc go if you have no plans to strengthen in his position...... right?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 09:03:54 PM
Vlaar is a decent player. Vidic would have looked a mug alongside Baker and Clark most of the time.


Give him a decent partner and we will see him improve, which in fairness he did immensely much of the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Vlaar is fine and the least of our problems.

Granted we have a lot of problems but surely it is worth reviewing the efforts of our captain at the back over the past two seasons (130 league goals conceded)?

How good do others think Vlaar is?

Id rank him somewhere between average at best and a lumbering, injury prone, responsibility dodging, charlatan at his worst

The same description could apply to our "leader" up front - Gabby Agbonlahor



Come off it, he didn't in all of those games. Just look at the shed load of goals we conceded over both xmas when he didn't feature that inflates those goals per games figures.

And playing with Baker is a major handicap. I reckon him and Okore will be pretty decent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Vlaar is fine and the least of our problems.

Granted we have a lot of problems but surely it is worth reviewing the efforts of our captain at the back over the past two seasons (130 league goals conceded)?

How good do others think Vlaar is?

Id rank him somewhere between average at best and a lumbering, injury prone, responsibility dodging, charlatan at his worst

The same description could apply to our "leader" up front - Gabby Agbonlahor



Come off it, he didn't in all of those games. Just look at the shed load of goals we conceded over both xmas when he didn't feature that inflates those goals per games figures.

And playing with Baker is a major handicap. I reckon him and Okore will be pretty decent.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: lovejoy on May 20, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Vlaar is the least of our worries, let's have a pop at the other 7 or 8 muppets in the team. I'll start Gabby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: midnite on May 20, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
I don't think vlaar has been that bad at all. It's the partnership as a whole that's been bad. Vlaar with another like okore should prove a much more fruitful partnership.

I'm also surprised at some comments about gabby. He's not had the greatest of seasons. But not many have. Fans crave loyalty from players and moan when a player wants to leave (benteke last season for example).
Gabby is a villa bot through and through. He hasn't had the greatest of seasons but yet again, popped up with the important goals when needed. Played the line well. How about we seem him through this rough patch and hope he'll improve next season back to the standard we know he can play rather than thinking we should just cash him in as if he's ready for the championship scrap heap.

He's worth sticking with, surely??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bully2345 on May 20, 2014, 09:43:07 PM
Agbonlahor isn't worth it. Four goals from one of our highest paid players? Inept. He seems to think he has become some sort of deep lying striker who will end his career in midfield.

Not a chance, sunshine
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Gabby has lost a yard of pace. He was never a footballer so losing pace is killing him. Plus his finishing last season was fucking abysmal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 20, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Agbonlahor is a very, very ordinary footballer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: midnite on May 20, 2014, 10:20:01 PM
Fair enough. I still think he's worth sticking with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 20, 2014, 10:20:12 PM
I've always been a big gabby fan, however after a very languid , sullen and somewhat disrespectful season with the fans I'd say he can now "do one"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ez on May 20, 2014, 10:23:54 PM
We should be looking to offload Gabby now but i can't see anyone paying us for him. I think we're stuck with him until his contract runs out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on May 20, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 20, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Agbonlahor is a very, very ordinary footballer.
Our highest goalscorer in the premier league, he has done well for us. But I agree that now he is ordinary, he has issues with staying fit and has lost some pace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 20, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Vlaar is fine and the least of our problems.

Granted we have a lot of problems but surely it is worth reviewing the efforts of our captain at the back over the past two seasons (130 league goals conceded)?

How good do others think Vlaar is?

Id rank him somewhere between average at best and a lumbering, injury prone, responsibility dodging, charlatan at his worst

The same description could apply to our "leader" up front - Gabby Agbonlahor



Come off it, he didn't in all of those games. Just look at the shed load of goals we conceded over both xmas when he didn't feature that inflates those goals per games figures.

And playing with Baker is a major handicap. I reckon him and Okore will be pretty decent.

Id prefer Okore to be learning his trade from a much better and less injury prone player than Vlaar. More than a good chance both will be out for decent spells again next season, cant imagine Vlaar's injury troubles clearing up after playing in a World Cup this summer. Then we are back to Baker and Clark.

Our club needs to be far smarter at knowing when to get rid of players before their value drops to zero and we are left with a never ending bomb squad.

Its time to cut Vlaar and Gabby and use that money on better, fitter leaders.

Not sure how gettable Benedikt Howedes from Schalke is but that is the kind of player and character I would be looking to get in ahead of to lead our defence next season. Id prefer even Michael Dawson to Vlaar to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 20, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 20, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Agbonlahor is a very, very ordinary footballer.
Our highest goalscorer in the premier league, he has done well for us. But I agree that now he is ordinary, he has issues with staying fit and has lost some pace.

He also goes missing for huge chunks of the season despite being on the pitch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 20, 2014, 11:11:25 PM
Vlaar will do fine with Okore. We desperately need 2 midfielders, have done for 3 years now. Big nasty bastard who can put a tackle in and distribute the ball well and someone who can pass and move going forward. Our defence is shit and isn't helped by having a midfield that offers no protection and doesn't keep hold of the ball either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 20, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Vlaar is the least of our worries, let's have a pop at the other 7 or 8 muppets in the team. I'll start Gabby.

I genuinely think we should shift him on.

He is the poster boy for our acceptance of mediocrity. Untouchable yet delivers next to nothing for months on end.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Colin B on May 20, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
If this thread is a wish list for people we would like to sign can I ask for Mile Jedinak from Palace. I have no idea if Palace would want to sell him though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 20, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Vlaar is the least of our worries, let's have a pop at the other 7 or 8 muppets in the team. I'll start Gabby.

I genuinely think we should shift him on.

He is the poster boy for our acceptance of mediocrity. Untouchable yet delivers next to nothing for months on end.

Me too. I would take peanuts for him too, as he simply offers so little at the moment. I would love us to sign 2 forwards with genuine pace to compliment Benteke and Kozak that would run in the channels and get the ball in, the way Gabby should, but he hardly ever does.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2014, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Colin B on May 20, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
If this thread is a wish list for people we would like to sign can I ask for Mile Jedinak from Palace. I have no idea if Palace would want to sell him though


Would be a really good signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Havencheese on May 21, 2014, 08:31:57 AM
Named as captain for the Australian national team in Brazil. Would absolutely be the prefect fit for Villa, has grown in stature over the past few years. Would Palace be prepared to sell up? I think not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 21, 2014, 09:15:26 AM
Quote from: Colin B on May 20, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
If this thread is a wish list for people we would like to sign can I ask for Mile Jedinak from Palace. I have no idea if Palace would want to sell him though

Why would they?

On gabby, he may be mediocre but I'll take mediocre next season thanks

If palace's squad of players can finish halfway up the table ours certainly can. It's the mood, management and leadership that's the problem

Pains me to say it but we could do with an allardyce or pulis next season! And I really don't like watching their sides

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on May 21, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
And now the Bomb Squad are all welcome back into the squad: Hutton, N'Zogbia and Bent, says Mat Kendrick. For the good of our mental health, I suggest that we all look away now, until someone spreads word that we have a new owner and manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on May 21, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 21, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
And now the Bomb Squad are all welcome back into the squad: Hutton, N'Zogbia and Bent, says Mat Kendrick. For the good of our mental health, I suggest that we all look away now, until someone spreads word that we have a new owner and manager.

What about Given, Herd and Stevens
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 21, 2014, 09:32:17 AM
The great thing about football is that despite the context, you just know that at some stage someone is - in all sincerity - going to post something like the following on this transfer thread:

"I see Pastore isn't first choice at PSG. We should make a move for him".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on May 21, 2014, 09:39:02 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 21, 2014, 09:32:17 AM
The great thing about football is that despite the context, you just know that at some stage someone is - in all sincerity - going to post something like the following on this transfer thread:

"I see Pastore isn't first choice at PSG. We should make a move for him".

I'm resigned to no takeover this summer, no bigger transfers despite the £30m extra tv revenue and no sacking of Lambert.

I'm hope that Okore, Benteke fully fit, Hutton and Nzogbia coupled with at least 2 astute signings in key positions will see us safe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2014, 10:07:30 AM
I have no issue with N'zogbia coming back. For all his faults, he is much better than Tonev and we certainly need some creativity and pace in that midfield area.

Hutton isn't very good and I can't see Bent being motivated so rather those two were somehow moved on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: levico on May 21, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Is there no other thread to talk about Albrighton's departure?

I think it's quite a bad thing considering the paucity of quality in our squad.

Maybe I'm alone on this?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Gutted about Marc to be honest. He clearly gave a shit and always tried to make something happen. Didn't always come off but he's a lot better than the tired "championship standard" label that comes his way. Not sure how he's more Championship standard than 90% of the rest of the squad. If Leicester have thrown money at him fair enough, he's probably been told he'll be a lot more involved than he was here. I'd like to think we at least made a decent offer to keep him though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2014, 11:19:22 AM
If they have offered him 35k a week then they're stupid, he's not worth anything like that. Don't get me wrong, I like him, I thought he was frequently our best player when he re-emerged at the end of last season.

However, I don't blame him for a second in taking that sort of money. I would.

If Villa were offering 20k a week and Leicester 35k (I know, the figures might be guessed at, but I am assuming a big difference), I know which I'd take, Villa fan or not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CheeriOneill on May 21, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Albrighton was okay but that was about it.

We have bigger issues than letting him go and if Leicester is his next move then that probably tells you how good he actually is.




Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: martyn ellis on May 21, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
Quite apart from all the 'he's a local lad, one club man, gives a shit, nice family, feet-on-the-ground' stuff (all true), I also always felt there was a real player in Marc Albrighton. When played in the right position and when on song he was a match-changer, especially coming on as a sub in a number of games in this grim season. I wouldn't mind betting he's pretty gutted himself to be honest; the club has been his life for 16 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
I doubt he's that gutted if the £35K a week offer elsewhere is true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 21, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Albrighton was okay but that was about it.

We have bigger issues than letting him go and if Leicester is his next move then that probably tells you how good he actually is.

Completely agree, he was one-footed and was very limited (in terms of skill) for a winger. His game was based around trying to get around the outside of the full-back and get a cross in. If the full-back had the beating of him he was completely neutralised as there was absolutely nothing else to his game. Yes, he'd track back a lot, but he was defensively hopeless and tended to do more harm than good when he was in our half. The fact that he was Villa through-and-through is the only thing that sets him apart from Brett Holman as a former Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2014, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 21, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Albrighton was okay but that was about it.

We have bigger issues than letting him go and if Leicester is his next move then that probably tells you how good he actually is.

Completely agree, he was one-footed and was very limited (in terms of skill) for a winger. His game was based around trying to get around the outside of the full-back and get a cross in. If the full-back had the beating of him he was completely neutralised as there was absolutely nothing else to his game. Yes, he'd track back a lot, but he was defensively hopeless and tended to do more harm than good when he was in our half. The fact that he was Villa through-and-through is the only thing that sets him apart from Brett Holman as a former Villa player.

That as I see it too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 21, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 21, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
And now the Bomb Squad are all welcome back into the squad: Hutton, N'Zogbia and Bent, says Mat Kendrick. For the good of our mental health, I suggest that we all look away now, until someone spreads word that we have a new owner and manager.

What about Given, Herd and Stevens

Given's on the coaching staff, Herd appears to have just gone (has his contract been cancelled I wonder), and Steven is indeed a further bomb squad member.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2014, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 21, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 21, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 21, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
And now the Bomb Squad are all welcome back into the squad: Hutton, N'Zogbia and Bent, says Mat Kendrick. For the good of our mental health, I suggest that we all look away now, until someone spreads word that we have a new owner and manager.

What about Given, Herd and Stevens

Given's on the coaching staff, Herd appears to have just gone (has his contract been cancelled I wonder), and Steven is indeed a further bomb squad member.

Wasn't Stevens sent back from somewhere shit on loan because he was too shit?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 21, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Albrighton was okay but that was about it.

We have bigger issues than letting him go and if Leicester is his next move then that probably tells you how good he actually is.

Completely agree, he was one-footed and was very limited (in terms of skill) for a winger. His game was based around trying to get around the outside of the full-back and get a cross in. If the full-back had the beating of him he was completely neutralised as there was absolutely nothing else to his game. Yes, he'd track back a lot, but he was defensively hopeless and tended to do more harm than good when he was in our half. The fact that he was Villa through-and-through is the only thing that sets him apart from Brett Holman as a former Villa player.

Extremely harsh. He showed there's a lot more to his game in the last few months than trying to get past a full back and whipping a ball in. He took the game by the scruff of the neck against West Ham, roving inside constantly, was our only bright spark against Southampton and set-up the winner against Chelsea and was involved in two of the goals against Hull. He's one of the few players we had/have to understand the concept of pass and move.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2014, 03:08:48 PM
Several Premier League teams chasing Albrighton:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9320110?

Leicester, Sunderland and Everton I think. If I was Alby I'd go with Everton as Martinez might get him performing back to the standard he was when he first broke into the Villa team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 21, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 21, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Albrighton was okay but that was about it.

We have bigger issues than letting him go and if Leicester is his next move then that probably tells you how good he actually is.

Completely agree, he was one-footed and was very limited (in terms of skill) for a winger. His game was based around trying to get around the outside of the full-back and get a cross in. If the full-back had the beating of him he was completely neutralised as there was absolutely nothing else to his game. Yes, he'd track back a lot, but he was defensively hopeless and tended to do more harm than good when he was in our half. The fact that he was Villa through-and-through is the only thing that sets him apart from Brett Holman as a former Villa player.

Extremely harsh. He showed there's a lot more to his game in the last few months than trying to get past a full back and whipping a ball in. He took the game by the scruff of the neck against West Ham, roving inside constantly, was our only bright spark against Southampton and set-up the winner against Chelsea and was involved in two of the goals against Hull. He's one of the few players we had/have to understand the concept of pass and move.

I'm not sure you can attribute much credit for "setting-up the winner against Chelsea" as he played the ball behind Delph, forcing him to flick it through his legs. As for "involved with two of the goals against Hull", I can honestly say that I don't recall any even-remotely-significant contribution to any of them, besides perhaps taking the corner that lead to the 2nd..?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
regarding Albrighton, my mate's made a good point. We've let him go for nothing and now were probably going to spend a couple of mil of a sub standard replacement
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 21, 2014, 04:01:42 PM
more likely a free or loan I think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on May 21, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
I wish Albrighton the best of luck, especially if he really has been offered £30k a week elsewhere, we really aren't in a position where we can pay that kind of money to someone who isn't a nailed on starter. And he isn't, and never will be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bully2345 on May 21, 2014, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 21, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on May 21, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 21, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Albrighton was okay but that was about it.

We have bigger issues than letting him go and if Leicester is his next move then that probably tells you how good he actually is.

Completely agree, he was one-footed and was very limited (in terms of skill) for a winger. His game was based around trying to get around the outside of the full-back and get a cross in. If the full-back had the beating of him he was completely neutralised as there was absolutely nothing else to his game. Yes, he'd track back a lot, but he was defensively hopeless and tended to do more harm than good when he was in our half. The fact that he was Villa through-and-through is the only thing that sets him apart from Brett Holman as a former Villa player.

Extremely harsh. He showed there's a lot more to his game in the last few months than trying to get past a full back and whipping a ball in. He took the game by the scruff of the neck against West Ham, roving inside constantly, was our only bright spark against Southampton and set-up the winner against Chelsea and was involved in two of the goals against Hull. He's one of the few players we had/have to understand the concept of pass and move.

I'm not sure you can attribute much credit for "setting-up the winner against Chelsea" as he played the ball behind Delph, forcing him to flick it through his legs. As for "involved with two of the goals against Hull", I can honestly say that I don't recall any even-remotely-significant contribution to any of them, besides perhaps taking the corner that lead to the 2nd..?

His air shot led to his "assist" for the first goal against Hull. Sexy football, as Gullit would say
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on May 21, 2014, 04:24:30 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
regarding Albrighton, my mate's made a good point. We've let him go for nothing and now were probably going to spend a couple of mil of a sub standard replacement

Not as I expect Grealish to be regarded as the Lerner solution there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on May 21, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Opening match line up predictions?

No new owner: Guzan - Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Bennett - Bacuna, Delph, Westwood, Gabby - Weimann, Bent. Subs: Steer, Hutton, Baker, N'Zogbia, Kozac, Robinson, Grealish.

New owner: Guzan - Richards, Lescott, Vlaar, Buttner - Milner, Barry, Westwood, Cole - Hernandez, Kozak. Subs: Ruddy, Hoolahan, Caulker, Lowton, Bennett, Gabby, Weimann.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 21, 2014, 05:09:35 PM
Buttner? I honestly think I'd rather have Joe Bennett.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 21, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
Well some welcome news, Gary Gardner has signed a new two year contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 21, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 21, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
Well some welcome news, Gary Gardner has signed a new two year contract.

The club physio will be pleased as it guarantees him/her a further two years employment :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 21, 2014, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 21, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
Well some welcome news, Gary Gardner has signed a new two year contract.
Probably sprained his wrist whilst signing and is out for 3 months
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pooligan on May 21, 2014, 05:51:52 PM
Mention of Gary Gardner reminds me his brother has agreed to sign for the Baggies after being given a free by Sunderland. We can expect to read soon " i have always been a Baggies fan "
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2014, 05:55:41 PM
I'm surprised I thought Gardner would be released with the other two.

Just hope these injuries don't kill him off from top level football as there's a decent player there. The Wednesday loan spell didn't sound promising though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on May 21, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
I'm pleased Gardner has a new deal, he needs an injury free run & good pre-season to be part of the squad. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 06:00:23 PM
Potentially the best player of the youngsters. Love to see him in the team performing well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
Some good news, but he really needs to step up now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 21, 2014, 06:29:49 PM
Was a stand out player for quite some time for the Youth and I saw him make some outstanding performances - reminded me of a young Steven Gerrard - tall, strong, confident with a goal scoring prowess.
Shame he has had so many injuries
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 21, 2014, 07:41:19 PM
Craig Gardner could be a decent signing for the Baggies on a free. Lost his way at Sunderland but they did spend 8m getting him in. Was very good with Brum that season though MON getting 3m for him seeks ok value now.

Would prefer him on our bench than Kea, Sylla, Herd or based on him form shown for us so far, his brother.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 21, 2014, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
regarding Albrighton, my mate's made a good point. We've let him go for nothing and now were probably going to spend a couple of mil of a sub standard replacement

Perhaps the club see Grealish as his replacement?
We've got N'Zogbia, Tonev (I know!) & Grealish as wide players, which for a team that plays with no width is more than enough. Spend whatever money we have on the positions we need first.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TonyD on May 21, 2014, 08:10:55 PM
Shocking decision to release Albrighton.   As somebody said probably spend a few million to replace who isn't as good.   This should have its own thread. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 21, 2014, 08:10:55 PM
Shocking decision to release Albrighton.   As somebody said probably spend a few million to replace who isn't as good.   This should have its own thread. 

Not really, for reasons listed several times over on several threads.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
I am concerned about the lack of width at Villa but Albrighton isn't that good a player. He was playing for a new contract, why wait til the last year until you suddenly remember how to do your job? Let's hope that Bent does the same.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
Mirror running that Lescott is willing to halve his 90k a week. 45k a week would be worth it for him IMO, it is a position we are desperate for a decent player in. Plus he might score you 6-7 goals a season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on May 21, 2014, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
Mirror running that Lescott is willing to halve his 90k a week. 45k a week would be worth it for him IMO, it is a position we are desperate for a decent player in. Plus he might score you 6-7 goals a season.

He'd be willing to play an hour and a half a week for 45k, a prince among men.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 21, 2014, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
Mirror running that Lescott is willing to halve his 90k a week. 45k a week would be worth it for him IMO, it is a position we are desperate for a decent player in. Plus he might score you 6-7 goals a season.

He'd be willing to play an hour and a half a week for 45k, a prince among men.

That was, indeed my first thought too, before swallowing my distaste.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: steffo on May 21, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
Width is not in TSM and Lambert's vocabulary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2014, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: Newby on May 21, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
I am concerned about the lack of width at Villa but Albrighton isn't that good a player. He was playing for a new contract, why wait til the last year until you suddenly remember how to do your job? Let's hope that Bent does the same.

Albrighton was injured and overlooked by Lambert for most of his time in charge.
Things could have been very different for the Fonz too. Looked like he had the lot.
Gardner staying at least gives one of our vaunted youths a chance to shine here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2014, 12:18:13 AM
Albrighton is 25 soon. No longer a youngen and he's been around the first team for years now. It's no real surprise he's not getting an extension, even putting aside the fact Lambo isn't a big fan of old school wingers. Alby has to be playing week in, week out at his age now and we can't really offer him that, or the crazy wage Leicester will apparently pay him.

In terms of Gardner, he's lucky to be getting a second chance, but I do see why. Even though it seems like we've been hearing about his potential for bloody ages now, he's still only 21 (22 soon). He's got loads of time to develop. The lad just needs a bit of luck. But as Delphy has shown, it can happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 22, 2014, 05:34:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 21, 2014, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
Mirror running that Lescott is willing to halve his 90k a week. 45k a week would be worth it for him IMO, it is a position we are desperate for a decent player in. Plus he might score you 6-7 goals a season.

He'd be willing to play an hour and a half a week for 45k, a prince among men.

That was, indeed my first thought too, before swallowing my distaste.

Footballers wages are ridiculous. But if I was lucky enough to earn £100k a week I'd take it thanks very much (I hope I'd put a fair proportion to good causes)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 22, 2014, 06:28:30 AM
Has anyone seen much of Patrick bamford play? He's scored a lot. I think he could be available on loan next season from Chelsea
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 22, 2014, 06:44:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2014, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: Newby on May 21, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
I am concerned about the lack of width at Villa but Albrighton isn't that good a player. He was playing for a new contract, why wait til the last year until you suddenly remember how to do your job? Let's hope that Bent does the same.

Albrighton was injured and overlooked by Lambert for most of his time in charge.
Things could have been very different for the Fonz too. Looked like he had the lot.
Gardner staying at least gives one of our vaunted youths a chance to shine here.

Ha ha, very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on May 22, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
My notes said "Fonz: deceptively slow, billy big bollocks, wont make it in the top league"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 22, 2014, 10:49:32 AM
hopefully  his nuts would have shrunk a bit after being binned. The Fonz, like a lot of footballers of his age and wealth, needs a crash course in humility. The guy could learn a lot in how to handle adversity from his ex manager. I don't rate Lambert as boss of Aston Villa, but have big respect for the way he's handled himself since being hung out to dry by Randy & Faulkner
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 22, 2014, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 21, 2014, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
regarding Albrighton, my mate's made a good point. We've let him go for nothing and now were probably going to spend a couple of mil of a sub standard replacement

Perhaps the club see Grealish as his replacement?
We've got N'Zogbia, Tonev (I know!) & Grealish as wide players, which for a team that plays with no width is more than enough. Spend whatever money we have on the positions we need first.

We've also got Samir Carruthers, who might even be ahead of Grealish in the pecking order (assuming he's not still injured at the start of the season).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on May 22, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: MoetVillan on May 22, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
My notes said "Fonz: deceptively slow, billy big bollocks, wont make it in the top league"

No strength either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2014, 10:57:26 AM
I hope he does well and am sure he'll carve out a career in football somewhere, but I haven't seen a single thing about Delfouneso that makes me think he might make it at this level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: darren woolley on May 22, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
I would love it if we signed Lescott he is just what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
£7m on wages for three years with no sell on value.

Perfect for Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 22, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
£7m on wages for three years with no sell on value.

Perfect for Villa

Given some of our other transfer dealings in recent years (Ireland, Given, Hutton, etc) that looks like fairly good value for money for a player who'd be a massive upgrade on our current options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on May 22, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
£7m on wages for three years with no sell on value.

Perfect for Villa


Given some of our other transfer dealings in recent years (Ireland, Given, Hutton, etc) that looks like fairly good value for money for a player who'd be a massive upgrade on our current options.

Agree on your first point re prior transfer dealings though should that be relevant to 'value for money' point as he wouldn't necessarily be that.
He may not be the best possible solution but an upgrade on current options - undoubtedly
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
We've lacked leadership and experience for the last two seasons.  Most fans have (wait for it) Lambasted him for it, I for one would welcome a player of Lescott's ability and stature, between he, Vlaar and Okore with one of Clark and Baker as backup we'd actually look fairly strong in one position.  A player of similar standard in midfield would give us some stability and act as a platform for our attacking play.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 22, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
We've lacked leadership and experience for the last two seasons.  Most fans have (wait for it) Lambasted him for it, I for one would welcome a player of Lescott's ability and stature, between he, Vlaar and Okore with one of Clark and Baker as backup we'd actually look fairly strong in one position.  A player of similar standard in midfield would give us some stability and act as a platform for our attacking play.
**cough** Barry **cough**
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
Please not 5 pages of Barry/Milner/Young love.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 22, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
Please not 5 pages of Barry/Milner/Young love.

Maybe we could try and get Milner back on loan?  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 22, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
Please not 5 pages of Barry/Milner/Young love.

Maybe we could try and get Milner back on loan?  ;)

What about Ash - Van Gaal doesn't fancy him you know?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on May 22, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
Please not 5 pages of Barry/Milner/Young love.

People old enough to remember Andy Gray's comeback should be careful what they wish for.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 22, 2014, 11:46:45 AM
£7m on wages for three years with no sell on value.

Perfect for Villa

That's fine when you're not paying a fee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 22, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
agreed but imo, we still don't have that kind of money to blow on one player
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
We do though. Of course we do, 2m a season for a player who would walk into our first team is about standard for the premier league. It would be less than Given and Bent are on at the moment.

Agree on Barry too, but Everton will get him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2014, 09:07:01 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 22, 2014, 10:18:20 PM
I am convinced that Gary Gardner is a world beater otherwise he wouldn't have been injured so much. Only our good players get injured.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Vegas on May 22, 2014, 11:20:28 PM
Would be nice if GG made a major impact next season.  Fingers crossed.

Out of interest, does anyone truly think he will?

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2014, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: Vegas on May 22, 2014, 11:20:28 PM
Would be nice if GG made a major impact next season.  Fingers crossed.

Out of interest, does anyone truly think he will?

 

I would take Craig Gardner over KEA and Sylla any day. If Gary Gardner lives up to his promise of being the more talented brother, then he could undoubtedly improve our side. I hope so. In theory he's the sort of midfielder we could really do with. Physical presence, box-to-box and an eye for a pass. Ability to twat the odd 30 yard screamer too.
The problem is he's lost two years of development because of injury. He's still young enough, but he's got to hit pre-season at top gear and stake a real claim. If not then a short term loan early next season might be beneficial.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: atomicjam on May 23, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2014, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: Vegas on May 22, 2014, 11:20:28 PM
Would be nice if GG made a major impact next season.  Fingers crossed.

Out of interest, does anyone truly think he will?

 

I would take Craig Gardner over KEA and Sylla any day. If Gary Gardner lives up to his promise of being the more talented brother, then he could undoubtedly improve our side. I hope so. In theory he's the sort of midfielder we could really do with. Physical presence, box-to-box and an eye for a pass. Ability to twat the odd 30 yard screamer too.
The problem is he's lost two years of development because of injury. He's still young enough, but he's got to hit pre-season at top gear and stake a real claim. If not then a short term loan early next season might be beneficial.

I think KEA is a far better player than C Gardner. Not sure about Sylla. Hopefully GG will come good despite his injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2014, 10:15:06 AM
Stefan Moore has just re-joined Leamington! Can't believe he's nearing 31 now, seems like only yesterday  since people had almost as much hope for him as they had for  Shrek.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2014, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: atomicjam on May 23, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2014, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: Vegas on May 22, 2014, 11:20:28 PM
Would be nice if GG made a major impact next season.  Fingers crossed.

Out of interest, does anyone truly think he will?

 

I would take Craig Gardner over KEA and Sylla any day. If Gary Gardner lives up to his promise of being the more talented brother, then he could undoubtedly improve our side. I hope so. In theory he's the sort of midfielder we could really do with. Physical presence, box-to-box and an eye for a pass. Ability to twat the odd 30 yard screamer too.
The problem is he's lost two years of development because of injury. He's still young enough, but he's got to hit pre-season at top gear and stake a real claim. If not then a short term loan early next season might be beneficial.

I think KEA is a far better player than C Gardner. Not sure about Sylla. Hopefully GG will come good despite his injuries.

I wouldn't say KEA is better than C Gardner, let alone 'far better'. Actually I'm not sure how many players KEA is better than. He's in my top 2 players where I drop my head if (when) i see him on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
It's al about opinions......mine is that KEA is totally ineffective in the premier league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2014, 12:23:57 PM
KEA has the look of being a decent footballer and I can understand people liking him but he's a nothing player.  He runs a lot and closes down, but never wins the ball and never forces an error.  With the ball he's the same, he looks ok but he not actually making a difference to the game.  The only positive I have is that he 's more willing than any other midfielder to make a run into the box, but he's actually not very good at it, sometimes he doesn't get picked up and finds himself in a bit of space but generally the run is badly timed and too straight and he's easily picked up.

I genuinely think he was our worst player last year (yes, worse than Baker and Luna).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
It's al about opinions......mine is that KEA is totally ineffective in the premier league.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: FrankyH on May 23, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
I rember KEA was getting plenty of praise after Liverpool away. What I remember about him in that game was chasing Gerrard and then just giving up.
When he was injured the team did seem to miss him, but I still don't think he is good enough for the Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2014, 12:23:57 PM
KEA has the look of being a decent footballer and I can understand people liking him but he's a nothing player.  He runs a lot and closes down, but never wins the ball and never forces an error.  With the ball he's the same, he looks ok but he not actually making a difference to the game.  The only positive I have is that he 's more willing than any other midfielder to make a run into the box, but he's actually not very good at it, sometimes he doesn't get picked up and finds himself in a bit of space but generally the run is badly timed and too straight and he's easily picked up.

I genuinely think he was our worst player last year (yes, worse than Baker and Luna).
A fair description paul_e, I can add that in a tackle where he's 60:40 or 70:30 favourite to win the ball he usually manages to get brushed away. And I don't like running our players down, I really don't - but last season really got to me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: FrankyH on May 23, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
I rember KEA was getting plenty of praise after Liverpool away. What I remember about him in that game was chasing Gerrard and then just giving up.
When he was injured the team did seem to miss him, but I still don't think he is good enough for the Villa.

We did miss him, but it still didn't make him good enough, just that those behind him were worse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2014, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: FrankyH on May 23, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
I rember KEA was getting plenty of praise after Liverpool away. What I remember about him in that game was chasing Gerrard and then just giving up.
When he was injured the team did seem to miss him, but I still don't think he is good enough for the Villa.

We did miss him, but it still didn't make him good enough, just that those behind him were worse.

Spot on and I think that applies to a number of players in the side.  I think KEA would be a decent squad player filling in on occasion, but not a regular first team player.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
If there was a willing taker I would happily see him go.

That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: HolteEnder96 on May 23, 2014, 12:56:20 PM
With Sagna heavily linked with Man City and Zabaleta already being there, I cannot help thinking Micah Richards would be a good shout?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
Swansea have apparently had a 7m bid accepted to Mitchy Batshuayi. Brilliant buy if they pull it off but I'm sure at that price there will be lots of interest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 01:14:46 PM
I wish we were in there too. Him and Bony would be fun to face!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 23, 2014, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2014, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: FrankyH on May 23, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
I rember KEA was getting plenty of praise after Liverpool away. What I remember about him in that game was chasing Gerrard and then just giving up.
When he was injured the team did seem to miss him, but I still don't think he is good enough for the Villa.

We did miss him, but it still didn't make him good enough, just that those behind him were worse.

Spot on and I think that applies to a number of players in the side.  I think KEA would be a decent squad player filling in on occasion, but not a regular first team player.   

we have a team full of decent squad players - and therein lies our problem
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
Yaya Toure and James Milner are looking to move apparently......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on May 23, 2014, 01:46:52 PM
I really like the look of that Jordy Clasie from Feyenoord.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 23, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 23, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
Yaya Toure and James Milner are looking to move apparently......

Bid/swap for Baker?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on May 23, 2014, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
It's al about opinions......mine is that KEA is totally ineffective in the premier league.

Ditto.

Yes, agree, KEA just doesn't cut it at this level. I still think Sylla is better overall. Can't understand what happened to Sylla last season - at the end of the 12/13 season he was excellent; I remember his man-of-the match performance against Chelsea that year in the last home game. Lambert decided to ditch Sylla in favour of KEA last season, and, like the year before, it never really worked. Perhaps he should have started with Westwood, Delph and Sylla from the off. By being out of it, Sylla lost form and fitness and never really recovered through the lack of games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 23, 2014, 01:46:52 PM
I really like the look of that Jordy Clasie from Feyenoord.

Rumoured to be united bound
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.
At the risk of sounding like a broken gramophone record (remember them?) this is the crux of the problem. It's been evident since Petrov stopped playing, the gaping hole in midfield. Players such as Mulumbu, N'Zonzi and Kevin Nolan are not world class players but fill this role adequately for their clubs. We need one urgently. Indeed Delph and Westwood would improve and the defence would also be offered more cover.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.
At the risk of sounding like a broken gramophone record (remember them?) this is the crux of the problem. It's been evident since Petrov stopped playing, the gaping hole in midfield. Players such as Mulumbu, N'Zonzi and Kevin Nolan are not world class players but fill this role adequately for their clubs. We need one urgently. Indeed Delph and Westwood would improve and the defence would also be offered more cover.

Absolutely spot on brother.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.
At the risk of sounding like a broken gramophone record (remember them?) this is the crux of the problem. It's been evident since Petrov stopped playing, the gaping hole in midfield. Players such as Mulumbu, N'Zonzi and Kevin Nolan are not world class players but fill this role adequately for their clubs. We need one urgently. Indeed Delph and Westwood would improve and the defence would also be offered more cover.

Absolutely spot on brother.

Amen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.
At the risk of sounding like a broken gramophone record (remember them?) this is the crux of the problem. It's been evident since Petrov stopped playing, the gaping hole in midfield. Players such as Mulumbu, N'Zonzi and Kevin Nolan are not world class players but fill this role adequately for their clubs. We need one urgently. Indeed Delph and Westwood would improve and the defence would also be offered more cover.

Absolutely spot on brother.

Amen.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY EACH OTHER??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 23, 2014, 02:20:43 PM
 I agree
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.
At the risk of sounding like a broken gramophone record (remember them?) this is the crux of the problem. It's been evident since Petrov stopped playing, the gaping hole in midfield. Players such as Mulumbu, N'Zonzi and Kevin Nolan are not world class players but fill this role adequately for their clubs. We need one urgently. Indeed Delph and Westwood would improve and the defence would also be offered more cover.

Absolutely spot on brother.

Amen.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY EACH OTHER??

I've already fallen into that trap once.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2014, 02:24:35 PM
Drummond will be posting in ten seconds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2014, 02:24:53 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:31:09 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2014, 02:18:34 PM

WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY EACH OTHER??

I've already fallen into that trap once.
Me too......never again.......no offence like.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2014, 02:36:43 PM
+1
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2014, 07:38:14 PM
Not sure this has been posted anywhere but Marc has signed a 4 year contract with Leicester

Leicester City have added some Premier League experience to their squad with the signing of exciting winger Marc Albrighton on a four-year deal from 1 July.
The midfielder will join on a free transfer once his contract with Aston Villa expires at the end of next month, ending a long association with the West Midlands club, with whom the 24-year-old had spent his entire career.

Speaking exclusively to LCFC.com, the winger said: “I’m absolutely thrilled to be joining. Everything about Leicester City is moving forward at the moment and it’s going to be a great Football Club to be a part of.

“It was a great 16 years for me at Villa and I had some really wonderful times there that will stay with me forever. I’m coming away now with my head held high and really looking forward to this fresh challenge with Leicester. I just can’t wait to get going.

“I’ve spoken to the manager and I know he has big plans, so I just can’t wait to get started and be involved. Before I joined I spoke to a few people and nobody had a bad word to say about the manager or the Club, so I’m delighted to have everything agreed for the new season.

“I’ve watched some of Leicester’s games over the last season and the lads have really played some great football. It’s incredible what they have achieved, and they’ve deserved every bit of their success.

“Now I’m looking forward to getting involved myself. I’m a direct player who is very positive with the ball and who likes to cross. All strikers say they like crosses in the box, and they can guarantee that I’ll be doing that for them.”

A product of the youth academy at Villa Park, Albrighton burst onto the scene in 2009 when he made his debut in a UEFA Cup tie against CSKA Moscow, and has since appeared a further 100 times for the club.

Of those 101 appearances for Villa, 86 have come in the Premier League, which will be a bonus for the Foxes as they look retain their top-flight status after a 10-year absence.

The tricky and pacey wide man scored seven times in the league for Villa during his spell there - the first coming in a 2-1 defeat against Spurs and White Hart Lane in October 2010.

Last season Albrighton enjoyed a four-game spell on loan with Championship side Wigan Athletic between October and November, before returning to Villa Park and playing his way back into Paul Lambert’s side for the remainder of the campaign.

The former England Under-21 international played his final game in claret and blue at Villa Park on 3 May, when he set up Ashley Westwood for the opening goal just 57 seconds into a 3-1 victory over Hull City.

Read more at http://www.lcfc.com/news/article/230514-city-seal-deal-for-albrighton-1572247.aspx#6HMbcx7UvJWCOoZZ.99
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
If there was a willing taker I would happily see him go.

That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.

Must be the weakest midfield roster in the league. Gardner, Sylla and Kea arent near good enough as squad players even. Chris Herd in the long forgotten McLeish season showed more than the combined efforts of those three in a Villa shirt.

Westwood in an ideal world would be backup. He is decent but gets exploited too often by stronger and faster opponents to be first choice at this stage.

Kea and Sylla should be shown the door this summer and replaced by two players who will be first team regulars.

De Guzman or Cleverely for one of the spots.
Barry stil should push the boat out to bring him in as captain.
Midfield of De Guzman, Barry and Delph and we would be in top 8 next year easy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
If the club did nothing more than brought in 4 free transfers and a couple of loans that included Barry and Lescott we would be infinitely better than we are now.

Looking through the list, I reckon you could put a better team together than the one we have without any spend on fees at all. Wages would be the issue.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2013-14/may/premier-league-clubs-submit-retained-and-released-lists.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2014, 09:12:16 PM
Barry will be going to Everton, surely?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2014, 09:12:16 PM
Barry will be going to Everton, surely?


You would think it would be nailed on, but you would hope with how awful we are and the emotional ties he has here that we would be in for him at least.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2014, 09:26:25 PM
Barry and Lescott even in the tail end of their careers would immediately lift spirits. They may not be the players they once were but they would help our squad by whatever quality they have plus their immense experience.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Barry and lescott would be brilliant then if we could loan Ashley young and James Milner all of a sudden things would seem much more positive .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Barry and lescott would be brilliant then if we could loan Ashley young and James Milner all of a sudden things would seem much more positive .

I think we'd probably have to let every other player at the club go to bring those four in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on May 23, 2014, 10:32:10 PM
Van Gaal doesn't fancy Ash, yiu inow?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2014, 10:35:31 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Barry and lescott would be brilliant then if we could loan Ashley young and James Milner all of a sudden things would seem much more positive .

I think we'd probably have to let every other player at the club go to bring those four in.

There is probably a downside to that I don't see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bad English on May 23, 2014, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Must be the weakest midfield roster in the league.
Roster? What next? The "EPL"? Tsk!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2014, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 23, 2014, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Must be the weakest midfield roster in the league.
Roster? What next? The "EPL"? Tsk!

All playing, in their claret and blue "uniforms"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bad English on May 23, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2014, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 23, 2014, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Must be the weakest midfield roster in the league.
Roster? What next? The "EPL"? Tsk!

All playing, in their claret and blue "uniforms"
"Can I get a Balti pie please?"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Barry and lescott would be brilliant then if we could loan Ashley young and James Milner all of a sudden things would seem much more positive .

I think we'd probably have to let every other player at the club go to bring those four in.
Shhhh. Let's live the dream.

In all seriousness if young and Milner were still paid 50% by the parent club we might just afford it.
Lescott and Barry and their wage expectations I'm unclear on ? They surely can't expect £100k a week deals ? Maybe 50k a week for 2 year deals ? That's £10m well spent IMHO
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 24, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on May 23, 2014, 02:31:09 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2014, 02:18:34 PM

WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY EACH OTHER??

I've already fallen into that trap once.
Me too......never again.......no offence like.

Well you can all fuck right off then. I got the cravat out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Fat Frank released by Chelsea. If he doesn't end up abroad, or at QPR or West Ham, I'd take him here for a year. Much needed experience and quality in the middle of the park. At his age, would surely drop his wage demands.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on May 24, 2014, 12:21:01 AM
I see Sidwell has been released by Fulham, not a fan but thought he was one of their better players during the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2014, 12:22:01 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 11:46:11 PM
In all seriousness if young and Milner were still paid 50% by the parent club we might just afford it.
And why would they want to do that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 24, 2014, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Fat Frank released by Chelsea. If he doesn't end up abroad, or at QPR or West Ham, I'd take him here for a year. Much needed experience and quality in the middle of the park. At his age, would surely drop his wage demands.

I saw this on twatbook as well, but why hasn't SSN picked up on it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 24, 2014, 12:22:01 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 23, 2014, 11:46:11 PM
In all seriousness if young and Milner were still paid 50% by the parent club we might just afford it.
And why would they want to do that?
To get rid
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 07:46:50 AM
Milner, young, Barry, lampard?

Zero chance
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2014, 08:15:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 07:46:50 AM
Milner, young, Barry, lampard?

Zero chance
Agree. No chance whatsoever.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave P on May 24, 2014, 08:31:10 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2014, 08:15:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 07:46:50 AM
Milner, young, Barry, lampard?

Zero chance
Agree. No chance whatsoever.

Absolutely. We are talking about the club who can't afford Marc Albrighton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 08:34:19 AM
If sidwell hadnt already 'played' for us id consider him. Experience, physical presence.

But I'm not sure it's a good idea to go back

I also think fraizer Campbell could be a shout at £1m.

People will scoff at signings like that, but that's the market we're in

And they'd have scoffed if we signed odemwingie, assaidi, chamakh, long, etc last season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 24, 2014, 10:33:47 AM
This thread is depressing me. It's like trawling the charity shops for an outfit to wear on a night out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on May 24, 2014, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 24, 2014, 10:33:47 AM
This thread is depressing me. It's like trawling the charity shops for an outfit to wear on a night out.

Lerner will just leave some loose change for transfers - the £73M tv money will be in his bank account by now......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 24, 2014, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 24, 2014, 10:33:47 AM
This thread is depressing me. It's like trawling the charity shops for an outfit to wear on a night out.

Lerner will just leave some loose change for transfers - the £73M tv money will be in his bank account by now......

A constructive comment as always, oh dear.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on May 24, 2014, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Fat Frank released by Chelsea. If he doesn't end up abroad, or at QPR or West Ham, I'd take him here for a year. Much needed experience and quality in the middle of the park. At his age, would surely drop his wage demands.

No way he'd come here.

He'll be off to the US I imagine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 24, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
If there was a willing taker I would happily see him go.

That central midfield, Gardner, Delph, KEA, Westwood, Sylla - needs 2 first team players brining into it desperately. I would like at least 1 to be a bit bigger, more imposing that will allow Delph and Westwood to play a bit more.  Westwood should not be the holding player, the bloke can pass a ball, and shoot given the chance, but tracking back has to be his weakest aspect, which is vital to the player sitting.

Capoue was highly rated before he went to Spurs and never really got a game, worth a shout as a loan deal in an area, like you say, that needs improvement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 24, 2014, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: Dave P on May 24, 2014, 08:31:10 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2014, 08:15:15 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 07:46:50 AM
Milner, young, Barry, lampard?

Zero chance
Agree. No chance whatsoever.

Absolutely. We are talking about the club who can't afford Marc Albrighton.

Although I have zero idea, it might not be that we can't afford him, it might just be that we don't think he's worth it.

Wow, there was a tiny bit of optimism from a post from me, as if I'm implying we could afford higher wages. I'll keep telling myself it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
Capoue on loan would be a good signing. MBia has been linked for a low fee from QPR who can play in defence or in front of the back 4 too. Strength, height and technical ability needed. And a bit of positional sense!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 03:32:37 PM
They're probably on about £50k a week each

And if Capoue isn't wanted by spurs he'll be going somewhere better than us surely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
Now that Derby won't be coming up, I wonder if there's anyone worth poaching. What about that young sprightly fellow, Dawkins? He looked quite good.
 ;D

In terms of Will Hughes. I wasn't convinced on him. We've been tentatively linked in the past haven't we? I think he's a few years off Prem standard yet though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
Yeh I wasn't impressed with will Hughes. The holding midfielder on loan from the baggies was much better but I don't imagine they'll be letting him go
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2014, 11:11:55 PM
Will Hughes is a hell of a talent he just didn't have the best game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2014, 08:24:33 AM
I'm sure he is. But not a priority (or realistic option) for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2014, 10:54:35 AM
Hughes is a talent but I think we need more experienced players in this summer. I also have a feeling that QPR will suck up much of the older, freebies like Lescott, Frank and Ashley Cole. I was hoping that Derby would come up because QPR will be more competitive and highly likely to outspend us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 25, 2014, 11:34:06 AM
 I think Hughes will be a good player, but hes not worth £10m of our money atm.The guy at Ure , on loan at Wigan, Powell i think, is more our level atm, get Capoue on loan, or buy Kioyate? from Anderlecht, and Kim/Dembele/De Guzman, thats about £12m?, then get Marin on loan, and try Grealish, and Robinson.

 Sell Gabby, Westwood, Lowton, Helenius, and get Traore from QPR, whos out of contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2014, 03:21:33 PM
I though Traore looked poor yesterday, and to be fair, so did OPR as a team. But that's good news for us if no takeover happens. They have an old-ish side, Tony won't be selling out mega bucks, and they will probably get hit with a big fine. So hopefully there are only two relegation places up for grabs. Burnley for I of those?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
Now that Derby won't be coming up, I wonder if there's anyone worth poaching. What about that young sprightly fellow, Dawkins? He looked quite good.
 ;D

In terms of Will Hughes. I wasn't convinced on him. We've been tentatively linked in the past haven't we? I think he's a few years off Prem standard yet though.

Craig Bryson is comfortably the best midifielder at Derby, bizarre to say the least he was on the bench yesterday.

I like Jamie Ward, he was here as a youth wasn't he? Pretty sure we used to play him left back?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MalcolmP on May 25, 2014, 05:20:24 PM
Bryson was carrying a back injury that is why he was on the bench
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2014, 09:58:46 PM
SSN will be creaming themselves that old Harry can roll down his car window for them on transfer deadline day once more.  Shouty Scottish man will be chuffed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2014, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
Now that Derby won't be coming up, I wonder if there's anyone worth poaching. What about that young sprightly fellow, Dawkins? He looked quite good.
 ;D

In terms of Will Hughes. I wasn't convinced on him. We've been tentatively linked in the past haven't we? I think he's a few years off Prem standard yet though.

Craig Bryson is comfortably the best midifielder at Derby, bizarre to say the least he was on the bench yesterday.

I like Jamie Ward, he was here as a youth wasn't he? Pretty sure we used to play him left back?

Ward was a forward here wasn't he?

Derby played well in fairness, but did not take their chances. Dunne and Hill next season if not replaced could ship a huge amount of goals. Either that, or QPR will be so stretched across the field due to the defence being so deep they will struggle to keep the ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2014, 10:26:31 PM
I'd have a look at Amalfitano.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 25, 2014, 10:26:31 PM
I'd have a look at Amalfitano.

If he is not signing for Albion I would do more than have a look.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 26, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Indeed.
Been gossip column linking Harry with Fwank and Rio this morning in surely the most predictable link ever.  Think he'll Hoover up Cashley too.  Anyone who thinks Fernandes won't pay stupid money for aged players needs to remind themselves who their manager is!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
If it is correct that we have very little money to spend, what position should Lambert prioritise? DCM?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Petrov
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2014, 06:13:59 PM
Petrov was more a reader, interceptor and starter. Reo Coker broke the play up brilliantly, only to give the damned ball straight back to the opposition.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bad English on May 26, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Petrov
I seem to remember a lot of "crab" comments on the match threads.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 26, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Petrov and Barry rarely gave away possession. It's only when they were not in the team did many fans start to appreciate them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 26, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 26, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Petrov
I seem to remember a lot of "crab" comments on the match threads.

He was pretty useless for most of his time at Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 26, 2014, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 26, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 26, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Petrov
I seem to remember a lot of "crab" comments on the match threads.

He was pretty useless for most of his time at Villa.

Rubbish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 26, 2014, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 26, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 26, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Petrov
I seem to remember a lot of "crab" comments on the match threads.

He was pretty useless for most of his time at Villa.

Errr.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 26, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
We just need more creativity in the final third, at least then we'll see if the strikers are actually good enough then.

Is a year's loan for say Lewis Holtby really out of the question? I'd sign up for that and hoolahan right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2014, 07:05:18 PM
Me too. Holtby will be in their side under Poccetino though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 26, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
If Poccetino goes to Spuds, we should get De Boer in quick sharp.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 26, 2014, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 26, 2014, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 26, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 26, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 26, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
We have to sign a big strong defensive midfielder who can break up play and carry it forward to the opposition,can't remember the last decent one we had Barry maybe ?
Petrov
I seem to remember a lot of "crab" comments on the match threads.

He was pretty useless for most of his time at Villa.

Rubbish.
he wasn't that bad ;)


His first two seasons is what I meant, after that, when he played deeper he improved. :D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on May 26, 2014, 07:42:41 PM
Are Kevin Richardson's knee's still up to it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 26, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
I agree, Petrov looked well off the pace in his first 18 months, it was only when he started playing a bit deeper alongside Barry rather than in front that he looked suited to the league.  There's no shame in him finding it difficult to adapt from the SPL and having to change his game, it's actually to his credit that he was able to alter his game to become a good premier league midfielder.  I still think he struggled to keep going for 90minutes though, he always looked fucked after 70minutes for me, but that was largely MONs fault for not rotating his squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 26, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2014, 07:05:18 PM
Me too. Holtby will be in their side under Poccetino though.

You reckon?

What about Lamela, Sigurdsson, Bentaleb, Dembele, Capoue, Sandro, Eriksen, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Paulinho? Also Livermore is coming back from Loan although he'll probably sign for Hull full time

It's incredible how many midfielders Spurs have isn't it?! They could lend us some for sure. IMO the only one who'd get in a Chelsea or Man. City team would be Eriksen, Dembele is a lovely player to watch but doesn't produce enough for ability in terms of goals and assists.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 27, 2014, 09:38:46 AM
After midfield left back is the next most critical position,who the hell do we play there now Bertrand has gone? A loan signing Again ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on May 27, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
Not a post that will particularly inspire anyone but with the current situation, feasibly, we could be going into next season with the same owner and if rumours are true, about 15m to bolster the squad plus anything we can recoup in sales. With that in mind, I think that older players on free transfers and short term contracts should be the way to go and have been looking at the released players list on who could do a job for us. Its not pretty reading so sit down before you read....
GK
Heurellho Gomez (if Given leaves)
DF
Jolean Lescott (obvs)
Rio Ferdinand
Carlos Cuellar
MF
Joe Cole
Matty Etherington
Gareth Barry
Zoltan Gera
Abdoula Faye
Frank Lampard
FW
Marouanne Chamakh
Frederico Macheda
Nicholas Bendtner

I think that if there is a chance of us not being sold next season (it could drag out into a saga akin to Newcastle) Then Randy would probably sanction the higher wages req'd by some of these players on 2yr contracts than hefty transfer fees for younger players with resale value. Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 27, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
Sidwell :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 27, 2014, 10:19:36 AM
Jack Colback is meant to be leaving Sunderland on a free. He's a useful player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
That list has some crackers in it. Zoltan Gera! I'd honestly forgotten he was still playing. I recall us being linked with him ages ago. Possibly in the O Leary era when we were shopping on budget.

5 years ago I'd have loved to see Joe Cole at the club. In theory an on form Cole could be the number 10 we've lacked, but the reality is, his legs and motivation have completely gone. He couldn't even raise his game for the club that started his career.

Lampard will end up at QPR. As will Rio probably.

I'd love Barry back but it's unlikely, especially as I'd expect Everton to make an offer.

I think the most conceivable one (and it's a long shot still) is Lescott.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 27, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Wouldn't touch Gomes with a bargepole, dreadful keeper.

Wage-wise I would be surprised if we got any of Lescott, Ferdinand, Barry or Lampard.

Chamakh might be useful, but would we get him? Macheda would at least mean he couldn't score against us/for Blues.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 27, 2014, 11:21:27 AM
Gomes has gone to Watford. Chamakh is renewing at Palace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fredm on May 27, 2014, 11:48:40 AM
Macheda going to Cardiff
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chipsticks on May 27, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75113000/jpg/_75113233_275e733e-15d3-42ce-9923-449a0ed57a91.jpg)

The BBC Sport Out-of-Contract XI is genuinely a top 4 side. I wouldn't mind half of these players at Villa. I'd be in for Lescott, Barry, and Sidwell minimum. Could do with Heitinga as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on May 27, 2014, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 27, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75113000/jpg/_75113233_275e733e-15d3-42ce-9923-449a0ed57a91.jpg)

The BBC Sport Out-of-Contract XI is genuinely a top 4 side. I wouldn't mind half of these players at Villa. I'd be in for Lescott, Barry, and Sidwell minimum. Could do with Heitinga as well.

That may have been a top 4 (probably top 8) side 5 years ago. But now that team would struggle to stay in this division. I'd love Lampard for a season or 2 but not the others.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bad English on May 27, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
I would have Lampard as long as he didn't score; I couldn't stand all that dedicating the goal to his dear ol' mum up there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2014, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 27, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
I would have Lampard as long as he didn't score; I couldn't stand all that dedicating the goal to his dear ol' mum up there.

He a fantastic reception from all sides of the ground after he'd beaten their goalscoring record, you'd hope he'd remember that in lieu of payment for his services.

It was even more enjoyable because it was in direct contrast to the dog's abuse Terry had received whilst being stretchered off, and showed supporters can see past their own bias to tell the difference between an outstanding achievement by a top professional, and a ******.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2014, 01:39:05 PM
There's either a gas leak somewhere here, or I've been possessed by the ghost of Villa Kicks, but I nearly suggested that Bendtner on a free might not be bad, and could cover for Benteke and Kozak's absence at the beginning of the season.
I popped open a few windows and performed an exorcism, so I've now let go of the idea, but I did worry about my sanity for a second.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Bendtner's not that a bad a footballer, it's just that he's not as good as he thinks he is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2014, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 27, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Bendtner's not that a bad a footballer, it's just that he's not as good as he thinks he is.
And he's likely to think he'll have a host of Champions league clubs chasing him, and he'll definitely not drop his wage demands.
I suspect come late August, Bendtner may come crashing down to Earth though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 27, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 27, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Bendtner's not that a bad a footballer, it's just that he's not as good as he thinks he is.

Nobody is as good as Bendtner thinks he is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 27, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 27, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Bendtner's not that a bad a footballer, it's just that he's not as good as he thinks he is.

Nobody is as good as Bendtner thinks he is.
I'm surprised he hasn't gone full Zlatan, and started referring to himself in third person. His pink boots might clash horribly with our shirts too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 27, 2014, 03:02:36 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 27, 2014, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 27, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
I would have Lampard as long as he didn't score; I couldn't stand all that dedicating the goal to his dear ol' mum up there.

He a fantastic reception from all sides of the ground after he'd beaten their goalscoring record, you'd hope he'd remember that in lieu of payment for his services.

It was even more enjoyable because it was in direct contrast to the dog's abuse Terry had received whilst being stretchered off, and showed supporters can see past their own bias to tell the difference between an outstanding achievement by a top professional, and a c***.

I loved our fans that day. And chipsticks that team is so far off the top 4 I have to ask if you've been on the ol' bob hope?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2014, 03:21:12 PM
Fat Frank's OPR bound, I'm bound to say.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on May 27, 2014, 03:31:02 PM
I could file an application for ITKship if Fat Frank waddled our way. Good connections but they tell me he is Arry's man Deffo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 27, 2014, 04:51:31 PM
Lampard to QPR just looks obvious.  Could see Ferdinand, Lescott and maybe even Ashley Young heading that way too.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on May 27, 2014, 04:57:29 PM
Tom Ince to Inter. Blimey...like his Dad.

My late Father was a Metallurgist. After a fine career in the automotive sector he ended up as Volvo Trucks Chief Metallurgist for Europe. I on the other hand failed O Level Physics. I can look at a piece of steel and describe it as ' as bit heavy'. Volvo won't employ me.

I make no comparison.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 27, 2014, 05:18:22 PM
Are inter Milan desperate? I've seen nothing to suggest he's anywhere close to that level
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
Blackpool will be gutted if he does go to Inter as they won't trouser any significant coin
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
Christ, it's so slow today news wise I'm replying to my own post ffs! London Boy, where are you geezer?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2014, 06:39:41 PM
and in the wrong thread!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2014, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 27, 2014, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 27, 2014, 01:41:47 PM
Bendtner's not that a bad a footballer, it's just that he's not as good as he thinks he is.
And he's likely to think he'll have a host of Champions league clubs chasing him

He is Denmark's very own Nigel Reo Coker
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2014, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 27, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
Christ, it's so slow today news wise I'm replying to my own post ffs! London Boy, where are you geezer?

He's tripped over and fallen into the Thames, so won't be around any more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 27, 2014, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 27, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
That list has some crackers in it. Zoltan Gera! I'd honestly forgotten he was still playing. I recall us being linked with him ages ago. Possibly in the O Leary era when we were shopping on budget.

5 years ago I'd have loved to see Joe Cole at the club. In theory an on form Cole could be the number 10 we've lacked, but the reality is, his legs and motivation have completely gone. He couldn't even raise his game for the club that started his career.

Lampard will end up at QPR. As will Rio probably.

I'd love Barry back but it's unlikely, especially as I'd expect Everton to make an offer.

I think the most conceivable one (and it's a long shot still) is Lescott.

Sure we should be able to make Barry an offer anyway

Most of the freebie list are better than what we have at the club but still I wouldnt want them

Even if we have a limited budget, there are better players in Europe than Heitinga and Lescott that will cost less wage wise.

With the fines QPR are facing surely talk of the likes of Ferdinand, Lampard and Cole going there is a bit fanciful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on May 27, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
I would have Lescott in the team on a free, proven quality in the EPL so not so much as a gamble than getting someone from Europe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
Whilst I would really like a useful centre back, this will be Lescott's last football contract, what makes anyone think we will pay him the dollar he wants to send him off into retirement. Same with Barry. Would love both but can't see it happening. Shame, really what we need at the club to help some of the younger players. Westwood would really learn from Gaz Baz. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 27, 2014, 10:37:07 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 27, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
Whilst I would really like a useful centre back, this will be Lescott's last football contract, what makes anyone think we will pay him the dollar he wants to send him off into retirement. Same with Barry. Would love both but can't see it happening. Shame, really what we need at the club to help some of the younger players. Westwood would really learn from Gaz Baz. 

They're both coming off the back of contracts that will have earned them £15m+ - they really don't need a pay off to retirement.  Barry will take a big cut to go to Everton, Lescott will have to halve his wages to get a contract anywhere, if they want to play for a couple more years in the preier league that is.  If they're just after the money they'll both be leaving the UK this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2014, 10:45:23 PM
I hope you're right Paul. We could really do with both. Would make a significant difference to us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
 :oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 27, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
That wouldn't worry me. If anything it gives an indication that better players will be coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2014, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

Dan Gosling mark 2 if he does. He would also suffer some unwanted and unwarranted comparisons to Cabeye. Pardew is on borrowed time there and it's a place to avoid until they get a proper manager in.

I like Westwood but he isn't that good. I suspect the rumours are behind him looking for a pay increase at Villa rather than moving on elsewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2014, 01:00:24 AM
Didn't he sign a new deal last summer? He's hardly irreplaceable as well.
It's about time Joleon played for his favourite team even if we discarded his brother 15 years ago and made nasty remarks about his (Joleon, not Arron) forehead.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2014, 01:01:37 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 28, 2014, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

Dan Gosling mark 2 if he does. He would also suffer some unwanted and unwarranted comparisons to Cabeye. Pardew is on borrowed time there and it's a place to avoid until they get a proper manager in.

I like Westwood but he isn't that good. I suspect the rumours are behind him looking for a pay increase at Villa rather than moving on elsewhere.

Increase my wages or I'm off.

Seeya then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 01:09:53 AM
What fee would we get? I would sell for a decent price.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2014, 01:23:42 AM
Would be tempted at anything in excess of £4 million.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on May 28, 2014, 06:11:13 AM
Would only be tempted if it was because we are being taken over and better players were lined up.  Otherwise there's no point.  One of our slightly better than average young players. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 06:35:54 AM
If they offered something silly like 7 or 8 I would take it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

There is more to that but he is under contrat so got to agree fee first and it's not just him either re Newcastle
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 28, 2014, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

There is more to that but he is under contrat so got to agree fee first and it's not just him either re Newcastle

You read the BBC gossip round up a few months ago too I take it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 28, 2014, 08:20:18 AM
Never been a fan of Westwood and he's so overrated by so many Villa fans it's unreal.
Cheerio!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 28, 2014, 08:54:10 AM
I'd take it anyrode, he's not that good..like most of our crap
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2014, 09:06:56 AM
Can't say I'd be heartbroken if Westwood left. He's ok when we're on top in a game, which, is not too often, but when we're chasing a game he doesn't really get involved.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 28, 2014, 08:20:18 AM
Never been a fan of Westwood and he's so overrated by so many Villa fans it's unreal.
Cheerio!

I wouldn't say it's the fans who overate him, Lambert seems to though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

There is more to that but he is under contrat so got to agree fee first and it's not just him either re Newcastle

Weimann?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Delph I assume.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 28, 2014, 09:33:58 AM
will we have a team to start the season with?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

There is more to that but he is under contrat so got to agree fee first and it's not just him either re Newcastle

Weimann?

They worded it as our most improved player suggesting Delph but maybe they see it as Weimann from the Newcaatle angle
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 09:43:15 AM
Give them Baker on that basis
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2014, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on May 28, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: appyarryampton on May 27, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
:oBeen in Crewe today, heard a shocking rumour that Westwood is off to Newcastle for double his Villa wages!

There is more to that but he is under contrat so got to agree fee first and it's not just him either re Newcastle

Weimann?

They worded it as our most improved player suggesting Delph but maybe they see it as Weimann from the Newcaatle angle

I can't think of a player who improved less that Weimann last season. He was dreadful for the most of it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on May 28, 2014, 10:38:08 AM
Would need at least £8mil to let Westwood go and even then would we get all that to invest back in the team , really comes to something when sodding Newcastle are circling us like vulcher's

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2014, 10:42:20 AM
I'd take £5mil for Westwood, £6mil for Weimann and £1 for Baker. :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2014, 11:45:47 AM
Id take 10 million for weimann and westwood
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 11:57:13 AM
12 for the pair. Or one Ben Arfa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 28, 2014, 12:00:48 PM
I wouldn't be looking to sell any of our players at the moment!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2014, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2014, 11:57:13 AM
12 for the pair. Or one Ben Arfa.

I just cant see us getting that kind of money. I was really hoping Westwood will progress a level , he has just stalled and Weimann has gone backwards .  Mind , I wouldnt care who goes now . Id like to keep Delph and Benteke ( unless the silly money mentioned last season which is not going to happen at the moment) but the rest Im not even bothered .  Guzan and Okore can stay ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2014, 12:05:48 PM
..and I think we should get Shelley Kerr in as manager ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 12:07:19 PM
I'd like to see us keep Weimann. Yeah, he had an average season but he wasn't the only one. Play him in his proper position and he's got the ability to form a decent partnership with either Benteke or Kozak.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 28, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
Too many players "went backwards" this season.The coaches and manager did a very poor job between them in getting the best out of them.With a couple of experienced additions and a manager and coaches with the right qualities we should finish mid table.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 28, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
Anything over 5 mill for Westwood would be too good to turn down. He's a poor mans Carrick (who has eeked out a far more impressive career than his ability probably warrants).
If he's still playing Premiership football in 2-3 years time I'd be surprised. If we can get silly money for him now, we should take it and re-invest on more quality.

I'd say the same of Weimann. If he could gather a decent fee now, then I'd sell, because a couple of years down the line, I'm not sure we'd get much for him and long term I don't think he's good enough to be a regular at this level.

But obviously, we should only be selling on the proviso that we'll be replacing with reasonable quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2014, 01:20:56 PM
I'd rather we didn't sell anyone who could potentially be of us to the first team at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on May 28, 2014, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2014, 01:20:56 PM
I'd rather we didn't sell anyone who could potentially be of us to the first team at the moment.

I agree, Paul.

We should be looking to improve on what we've got first.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on May 28, 2014, 01:53:48 PM
Quite, Westwood's no Pirlo but if say Sylla had played ahead of him all season I'm quite sure we'd have finished with fewer points, likewise Weimann and say Tonev/Bowery/Helenius/Robinson etc.  It's the Westwood's and Weimann's that have kept us up for 2 years, it's not their fault that for us to kick on they should be squad players and their starting positions replaced with better quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on May 28, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
I'm not a massive fan of Westwood, but I know one thing if we let him go for 5mill or whatever we wont be replacing him with a better player with the money,
 for a start better players arnt going to be queing up to get to Villa park with the present instability,
 so as others have said we need to be keeping anyone with first team potential because I doubt very much we will be buying like for like at the moment
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 12:07:19 PM
I'd like to see us keep Weimann. Yeah, he had an average season but he wasn't the only one. Play him in his proper position and he's got the ability to form a decent partnership with either Benteke or Kozak.

Another reason why Lambert winds me up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2014, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 28, 2014, 10:38:08 AM
Would need at least £8mil to let Westwood go and even then would we get all that to invest back in the team , really comes to something when sodding Newcastle are circling us like vulcher's
If only Westwood was a £8M player we would have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 28, 2014, 05:24:25 PM
I would rate Westwood at about £3m, and Weimann at about £2m at the moment.

Delph we should not be letting go, but if we did it should be for >£8m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on May 28, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
I couldn't give a monkeys about how much players get sold for to be honest.  It's all a load of bollox.   I want us to keep our better players and sign better ones. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2014, 09:44:27 PM
Guzan, Benteke, Vlaar and Delph are the only players worth keeping. Any other player, I would be happy to sell. Terrible squad of players. £8m for Westwood? Really? Jeez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2014, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 12:07:19 PM
I'd like to see us keep Weimann. Yeah, he had an average season but he wasn't the only one. Play him in his proper position and he's got the ability to form a decent partnership with either Benteke or Kozak.

I think Weimann has precious little ability to be honest, I thought the same during his good spell the season before too. Awful touch, poor striker of the ball, not exactly skilful. But after his new contract his best attributes namely his have a go attitude and his movement disappeared. He developed a gut and a swelled ego equal to his rotund shape. This summer is the most important of his career.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2014, 10:49:10 PM
I think Weimann's got the potential to be a very good player if we play him right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2014, 10:50:45 PM
Far bigger problems to address in this team than Weimann.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2014, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: Matt C on May 28, 2014, 10:50:45 PM
Far bigger problems to address in this team than Weimann.

Not so sure.  Weimann and Gabby's inability to provide any quality and a creative spark in the final third is a major problem, particularly at home.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: django on May 29, 2014, 01:35:16 AM
Weimanns a good player, watch off the ball and he's got great movement, put him in a better team than ours and he'd score 10-15 a season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on May 29, 2014, 01:48:39 AM
Think I'd worry about left back, right back, centre half, and two central midfielders first.

Oh, and sorting out a permanent deal for Holt obviously.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2014, 08:31:00 AM
The back four are a joke. There's only Vlaar any good, and that's being kind to him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2014, 08:52:14 AM
Okore coming back will make us a lot stronger, quite literally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on May 29, 2014, 08:59:20 AM
He will still need time to get full match fitness and acclimatized to a new league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2014, 09:02:18 AM
He needs time to build a partnership with Vlaar, but I don't think the physical demands of the league will be an issue for him considering he is both massive and very quick.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 29, 2014, 09:07:49 AM
My only worry about Okore is that he's quite short, may struggle to win headers. Looked good on the ball though and is fairly quick.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on May 29, 2014, 09:11:51 AM
If we signed a Lescott type I wonder if Okore could be converted into a right back like Ivanovic has for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 29, 2014, 09:13:43 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 29, 2014, 09:11:51 AM
If we signed a Lescott type I wonder if Okore could be converted into a right back like Ivanovic has for Chelsea.
Good shout. Talking of Lescott, how likely is this ? Assuming he will still want probably +£50k a week ? Ditto Barry ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2014, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on May 29, 2014, 09:11:51 AM
If we signed a Lescott type I wonder if Okore could be converted into a right back like Ivanovic has for Chelsea.

If a Lescott type was to come in, I'd play him, Vlaar and Okore. Bacuna and possibly Luna could make decent attacking full backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on May 29, 2014, 09:19:10 AM
Whilst Weimann had a poor season, I thought Westwood did OK. They are both well down the list on players we need to replace. If we want these players to push on, they need competition & that competition simply doesn't exist at present.

In short our defence leaks too many goals, the forwards (except Benteke) score too few & our midfield provide little defensive or creative support. But other than that we're OK.

The return of N'Zogbia, Okore & even Hutton will go some way to improving our squad but midfield is where we need strengthening most.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on May 29, 2014, 09:21:26 AM
I a N'Zogbia confirmed as fit and due back for pre-season ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on May 29, 2014, 10:01:08 AM
selling Westwood would be very disappointing.  only he and Delph can receive balls and pass to another player
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on May 29, 2014, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: MoetVillan on May 29, 2014, 10:01:08 AM
selling Westwood would be very disappointing.  only he and Delph can receive balls and pass to another player

I agree. I think both Westwood and Delph would look like much better players if they actually had others ahead of them (on the pitch) who could receive possession from them and do pose a regular attacking threat. Without Benteke this very rarely happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on May 29, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 28, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
I couldn't give a monkeys about how much players get sold for to be honest.  It's all a load of bollox.   I want us to keep our better players and sign better ones. 

My thoughts exactly.  I'm bored of watching this lot struggle without any real nous or leadership.  We are crying out for quality like Barry to come in and give us what we desperately need.  The likes of KEA and Westwood only get you so far, but sadly that's not enough. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2014, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 29, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 28, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
I couldn't give a monkeys about how much players get sold for to be honest.  It's all a load of bollox.   I want us to keep our better players and sign better ones. 

My thoughts exactly.  I'm bored of watching this lot struggle without any real nous or leadership.  We are crying out for quality like Barry to come in and give us what we desperately need.  The likes of KEA and Westwood only get you so far, but sadly that's not enough. 

In relation to a 'young and hungry' transfer policy how much players sell for is incredibly important.  The main point of that transfer policy should be to increase the value of the majority of our signings and use profits from sales to underpin our future spending.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2014, 02:32:23 PM
Does anybody know if Falcao has been issued a number yet?

I'd love to see him take the number 9.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on May 29, 2014, 02:55:31 PM
Depends where he is going, I dont think the number 9 goes anywhere near his house, he is better taking 42 and then picking up the number 11
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 29, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2014, 01:43:16 PM
In relation to a 'young and hungry' transfer policy how much players sell for is incredibly important.  The main point of that transfer policy should be to increase the value of the majority of our signings and use profits from sales to underpin our future spending.

Yes, seems to work well for other clubs like Sevilla and Atletico Madrid. Maybe the plan was to sell Benteke and buy more promising players (but hopefully on a slightly higher budget) and him getting injured ballsed that up a bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.

It's no wonder we can't win at home with the amount of abuse our players get, While i'm not his biggest fan the amount of people calling him a ****** at every turn is a bit sad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chipsticks on May 29, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.

It's no wonder we can't win at home with the amount of abuse our players get, While i'm not his biggest fan the amount of people calling him a c*** at every turn is a bit sad

Agreed. I think one of the reasons Villa have always been a really good away side is because they're a lot more relaxed without the abuse from some of the people who attend home games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 29, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 29, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.

It's no wonder we can't win at home with the amount of abuse our players get, While i'm not his biggest fan the amount of people calling him a c*** at every turn is a bit sad

Agreed. I think one of the reasons Villa have always been a really good away side is because they're a lot more relaxed without the abuse from some of the people who attend home games.

I can't agree with this. You reap what you sow in terms of home following. This applies at VP as much as anywhere. Fickle we are not. Our current squad lends itself to counter attacking football because of its limitations in overall ability. We are dangerous home or away when teams throw men forward but we lack the players to expose teams who keep men goalside. The biggest mystery has been the very impressive home attendances in the face of such meagre fare this season. If we have no encouraging news this close season it could be a different story.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 29, 2014, 06:40:46 PM
I reckon the hard core support is 26000.
Then we have:
Professional moaners and serial booers 1000
Those who only go to call Weiman a fat bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Gabby a dumb bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Lambert a mumbling bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Westwood a lightweight mincer 1000
Those who only go to call Baker a turd fondler and fellator of mandrills 1000

It is no wonder we are fucking shit and about as appealing to watch as a gig featuring Coldplay and U2.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frank black on May 29, 2014, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 29, 2014, 06:40:46 PM
I reckon the hard core support is 26000.
Then we have:
Professional moaners and serial booers 1000
Those who only go to call Weiman a fat bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Gabby a dumb bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Lambert a mumbling bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Westwood a lightweight mincer 1000
Those who only go to call Baker a turd fondler and fellator of mandrills 1000

It is no wonder we are fucking shit and about as appealing to watch as a gig featuring Coldplay and U2.

And Elbow
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on May 29, 2014, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2014, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 29, 2014, 10:44:57 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 28, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
I couldn't give a monkeys about how much players get sold for to be honest.  It's all a load of bollox.   I want us to keep our better players and sign better ones. 

My thoughts exactly.  I'm bored of watching this lot struggle without any real nous or leadership.  We are crying out for quality like Barry to come in and give us what we desperately need.  The likes of KEA and Westwood only get you so far, but sadly that's not enough. 

In relation to a 'young and hungry' transfer policy how much players sell for is incredibly important.  The main point of that transfer policy should be to increase the value of the majority of our signings and use profits from sales to underpin our future spending.

You're right.  But my point was really that I care less and less about the finances of the club as I get older.  I really couldn't give two hoots about our transfer policy, rather I just want to be entertained on match days,  we all seem to get so involved in the accounts these days. 

If we sell Westwood, one of our more promising players for £4m or £3m is of no interest whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on May 29, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: frank black on May 29, 2014, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 29, 2014, 06:40:46 PM
I reckon the hard core support is 26000.
Then we have:
Professional moaners and serial booers 1000
Those who only go to call Weiman a fat bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Gabby a dumb bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Lambert a mumbling bastard 2000
Those who only go to call Westwood a lightweight mincer 1000
Those who only go to call Baker a turd fondler and fellator of mandrills 1000

It is no wonder we are fucking shit and about as appealing to watch as a gig featuring Coldplay and U2.

And Elbow

Gould call Frank Black.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 29, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.

It's no wonder we can't win at home with the amount of abuse our players get, While i'm not his biggest fan the amount of people calling him a c*** at every turn is a bit sad

Agreed. I think one of the reasons Villa have always been a really good away side is because they're a lot more relaxed without the abuse from some of the people who attend home games.

I think there's no truth in that at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 29, 2014, 08:06:39 PM
Elbow? I gave them the Coldplay ages ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on May 29, 2014, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 29, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.

It's no wonder we can't win at home with the amount of abuse our players get, While i'm not his biggest fan the amount of people calling him a c*** at every turn is a bit sad

Agreed. I think one of the reasons Villa have always been a really good away side is because they're a lot more relaxed without the abuse from some of the people who attend home games.

I think there's no truth in that at all.

Totally agree, Paulie.

We are shit away from home too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2014, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: LeeS on May 29, 2014, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 29, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 28, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2014, 03:36:02 PM
I'd take a goldfish and a balloon for Weimann. The wanker.

Bit harsh.

Way harsh dude!

At least hold out for cuddly toy and a coconut.

It's no wonder we can't win at home with the amount of abuse our players get, While i'm not his biggest fan the amount of people calling him a c*** at every turn is a bit sad

Agreed. I think one of the reasons Villa have always been a really good away side is because they're a lot more relaxed without the abuse from some of the people who attend home games.

I think there's no truth in that at all.

Totally agree, Paulie.

We are shit away from home too.

I sets 'em up, you knocks 'em down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2014, 08:52:42 PM
So as it stands now, with the bomb squad members apparently available for selection, and the younger players who were on loan last season, throw in to the mix the injured players, it seems we have a much bigger squad for next season....

Bent
Hutton
N'Zogbia
Gardner
Okore
Kozak
Grealish
Carruthers...

anymore?....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on May 31, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
Given
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: b23 on May 31, 2014, 08:56:44 PM
Benteke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on May 31, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Stevens
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
top 6 here we come...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Salifou. I think he's burrowed into one of the walls somewhere and comes out at night to feed on Balti pie scraps. Lets dust the cobwebs and pigeon shit off the lad and get him back in the side. He could be our Zidane.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2014, 10:07:09 PM
It wasn't a clever idea to give Salifou 25 year contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2014, 10:07:09 PM
It wasn't a clever idea to give Salifou 25 year contract.
Still, it beats the 27 year contract we appear to have given Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2014, 10:07:09 PM
It wasn't a clever idea to give Salifou 25 year contract.
For anybody curious, currently playing for 1860 Rosenheim in the fourth tier of German football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2014, 02:35:00 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 01, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2014, 10:07:09 PM
It wasn't a clever idea to give Salifou 25 year contract.
For anybody curious, currently playing for 1860 Rosenheim in the fourth tier of German football.

That good eh? It's probably where many of this current Villa squad will end up too!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2014, 03:02:58 AM
Takeover or not, you would expect Lambert to be working on transfers behind the scenes in case he is still there. Be stupid not to. We can't wait forever and HAVE to strengthen the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 01, 2014, 04:46:35 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 01, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2014, 10:07:09 PM
It wasn't a clever idea to give Salifou 25 year contract.
For anybody curious, currently playing for 1860 Rosenheim in the fourth tier of German football.
Is that his actual birth year too?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on June 01, 2014, 08:49:49 AM
Already being irritated by Arry being linked with every available seasoned player. Including Barry and Lescott, who would improve Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 01, 2014, 10:01:30 AM
When Harry Met Barry.

A romcom in the making.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 01, 2014, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 27, 2014, 10:19:36 AM
Jack Colback is meant to be leaving Sunderland on a free. He's a useful player.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-tracking-sunderland-midfielder-7196722)

Quote
Villa tracking Sunderland midfielder Jack Colback

Out-of-contract midfielder set to leave Sunderland with Villa among several Premier League clubs showing interest

May 30, 2014 22:30
By Mat Kendrick

Sunderland’s Jack Colback has emerged as a free transfer target for Aston Villa, according to sources in the north east.

The midfielder is out of contract this summer and is expected to leave the Stadium of Light despite being offered a new deal.

The 24-year-old Black Cats academy graduate is being tracked by a host of Premier League clubs, believed to include Villa.

But the uncertainty at the club and Colback’s increased personal terms could see the claret and blues lose out to one of their top-flight rivals, with West Ham reportedly ready to offer him a lucrative deal.

Colback is understand to be on modest wages in Premier League terms but his likely availability on a Bosman will enable him to up his demands.

Sunderland’s north-east neighbours Newcastle have expressed an interest in Colback, who is also being pursued by Swansea.

Colback put his football future on hold while he married partner Joanne last weekend but is expected to make a decision next month.

Paul Lambert is targeting players with Premier League experience this summer and Colback fits the type having made more than 100 first-team appearances for the Wearsiders.

But any negotiations at Villa are complicated by the uncertainty surrounding Lambert’s long-term position, with chairman Randy Lerner keen to sell the club.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 01, 2014, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Newby on June 01, 2014, 03:02:58 AM
Takeover or not, you would expect Lambert to be working on transfers behind the scenes in case he is still there. Be stupid not to. We can't wait forever and HAVE to strengthen the squad.

He probably is. Not much will happen this side of the World Cup or until contracts officially finish (June 1 or july 1). But until the WC is done we'll just have to wait.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
Colback is a bit uninspiring but to be honest, he walks into our first 11. On a free, with the situation as it is, we could do worse I suppose. He's adaptable too, should we need him to cover other positions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dan England on June 01, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 01, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
Colback is a bit uninspiring but to be honest, he walks into our first 11. On a free, with the situation as it is, we could do worse I suppose. He's adaptable too, should we need him to cover other positions.

That statement sums up perfectly how far we have fallen in 4 years. Very very sad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 01, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
Doesn't matter really, he has just what we need right now which is PL experience and has proven a solid performer, and on a free he would be worth it.   26 is a good age too, as he may still improve.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 01, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
26 is a good age too, as he may still improve.
So we buy him in two years time?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
I only have one issue with Colback, and that's that he isn't very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2014, 07:41:37 PM
He's ok, that's about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 01, 2014, 07:48:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
I only have one issue with Colback, and that's that he isn't very good.

<insert really predictable reply about him fitting in well at Villa in that case of your choice here>
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
I only have one issue with Colback, and that's that he isn't very good.

That would be my only concern too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2014, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: Dan England on June 01, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 01, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
Colback is a bit uninspiring but to be honest, he walks into our first 11. On a free, with the situation as it is, we could do worse I suppose. He's adaptable too, should we need him to cover other positions.

That statement sums up perfectly how far we have fallen in 4 years. Very very sad.

He's a decent player and we were buying decent players 4 years ago. I'm not sure what you mean by "how far we have fallen", an award winning football forum cliche, as it relates to getting/buying this sort of player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
isn't this guy being linked with us it simply because he is a free agent and that's about our lot until we are sold or Randy realises he's not going to find a buyer quickly and has to release a few bob in transfer funds? destined for someone who will pay bigger coin than us I suspect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on June 01, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
Colback will likely get a wage at somewhere like west ham that we just can't match at the moment. I think he's a good player. Much better him than the likes of sidwell and NRC thanks. I don't think it's a sign of falling at all

Don't think he'll come though. Unless we're offering more cash, which I doubt, why not stay at Sunderland? We hardly look a club on the up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2014, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 01, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
Colback will likely get a wage at somewhere like west ham that we just can't match at the moment. I think he's a good player. Much better him than the likes of sidwell and NRC thanks. I don't think it's a sign of falling at all

Don't think he'll come though. Unless we're offering more cash, which I doubt, why not stay at Sunderland? We hardly look a club on the up
I don't think he'll come either. The only reason he's not resigning for Sunderland would appear to be financial reasons. He can get a significant wage increase elsewhere because he's a free and Sunderland probably aren't offering significantly improved new terms. We'd be unlikely to offer too much more than what Sunderland were paying him.
There will be 3-4 other clubs after him willing to probably pay him something silly, for a player of his ability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2014, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2014, 07:41:37 PM
He's ok, that's about it.

This but i'd change ok for average.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on June 02, 2014, 12:16:03 AM
I see a bit of a catch 22 right now.  With all of the uncertainty surrounding the future, why as a young, up and coming footballer with PL experience would you sign for the Villa when you have other, more stable offers.  I wouldn't.

And this assumes that we are offering the same wages, which we probably aren't anyway.

I think we're going to find it very hard to sign anyone under the present circumstances, hence the reintegration of the bomb squad.

Another masterstroke from RL.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on June 02, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
Colback is better than Sylla and El Ahmadi, so he would improve the squad, that is the name of the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 02, 2014, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
I only have one issue with Colback, and that's that he isn't very good.

true he is bang average

but bang average = > Herd, Gardner, Sylla, El Ahmadi in midfield and Luna and Bennett at left back

would be a minor upgrade for West Ham on the likes of Matt Taylor and McCartney

still though for the wages you would be paying him Im sure there are far more talented players available across Europe
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 02, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
I'm really looking forward to Villa Kick's transfer list, headed yet again by that must-buy goal machine Jozy Altidore. Bring it on mate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2014, 07:51:06 PM
Can't believe Colback is 26, he's only broken into the Sunderland team last 18 months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 02, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
Colback, Senderos and Hoolahan. First 3 signings of the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SteveN on June 02, 2014, 08:35:40 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 02, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
Colback, Senderos and Hoolahan. First 3 signings of the summer.

Ye Gods, I've come over all unnecessary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on June 02, 2014, 08:43:49 PM
Philip senderos?

We need experience but he's pretty ropey. I'd have thought there's a better bet out there somewhere even on a free.

But he is better than Nathan baker!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on June 02, 2014, 08:44:23 PM
You're forgetting Hutton, Bent & N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 02, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
Philip senderos is very underwhelming
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2014, 09:35:42 PM
Cheap and cheerful signings to bring the fans flooding in to see this wonderful new kit. Still, hasn't happened yet. What could possibly go wrong!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 02, 2014, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 01, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 01, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
26 is a good age too, as he may still improve.
So we buy him in two years time?

What when we are in the Championship?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
Lescott to Senderos in 2 weeks. Ouch. For the extra 25k a week Lescott is a bargain. Senderos is a useless lump.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on June 02, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 02, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
Philip senderos is very underwhelming

I'd say more shit than anything else
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2014, 11:47:15 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 02, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
Philip senderos is very underwhelming

Not great, but he'd be a better bet than Clark and Baker as back up to Vlaar and Okore. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on June 03, 2014, 07:23:35 AM
Last season Senderos was poo, in fact apart from when they played Villa, Fulham couldn't stop letting goals galore in least season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 03, 2014, 08:07:44 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2014, 07:51:06 PM
Can't believe Colback is 26, he's only broken into the Sunderland team last 18 months.
He isn't 26, he's 24.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 03, 2014, 08:43:16 AM
When he was at Arsenal, Senderos was my favourite 'comedy' defender. The one who looked like he'd won a competition to be in the team.

I won't be laughing if he signs for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2014, 10:11:44 AM
Senderos may be a shade better than Baker, but I think Clark is better than him. No point to a signing like that. We need a defender who goes straight into the starting 11. That (I bloody hope) is not Senderos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 03, 2014, 10:39:35 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 03, 2014, 10:11:44 AM
Senderos may be a shade better than Baker, but I think Clark is better than him. No point to a signing like that. We need a defender who goes straight into the starting 11. That (I bloody hope) is not Senderos.

I'm hoping First choice next season is Okore & Vlaar with someone decent as back up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 03, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
Is Senderos better than Baker and Clark? I hope so, as he would have to pretty poor to be any worse.

Speaks 8 languages apparently, yet looks a right gormless thug.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
We really are in danger of talking up Okore.  He only played a few games and suddenly we are signing players as his BACK up. We need a first class centre back for Vlaar and Okore to back up!!  As for, is Senderos better than Baker?  Oh for goodness sake, My desk is better than Baker.  At least it stays on its feet!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on June 03, 2014, 07:16:56 PM
I see hangeland has been released

I know he's not the player he was but unless he's had a serious decline he's the best realistic bet I've seen

The Lescott stuff was just never going to happen in our current circumstances I don't think
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 03, 2014, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 03, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
looks a right gormless thug.

We have Hutton for that.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bully2345 on June 03, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
So we're having a meltdown over Senderos as well now?

I can't keep up with this
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 03, 2014, 08:53:52 PM
A no to Senderdross from me too. Would prefer to keeping giving Clark and Baker chances over him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 03, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
I would be happy with Hangeland.

He's slowed down a bit but still good in the air and in fairness he was injured for about three months last season so can't be totally blame for Fulham being awful defensively.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2014, 10:05:23 PM
There's little difference between Hangeland and Senderos now. In fact I'd go as far as to say Senderos might be better because he has slightly more mobility. Neither would cause a tickle in my boxers that's for sure. Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it, but signing Senderos is like signing James Collins. PL experience, nothing special, will have a good game here and there and will drop a massive bollock every so often. Decidedly average for the most part.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mrastonvilla on June 03, 2014, 10:25:01 PM
I worry about how much a player like senderos would want in wages at this point in his career and especially on a free. With Okore returning surely money spent on midfield would improve the first 11 more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on June 03, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
Senderos is pretty bad, granted, but is he better than what we have?

Okore - ?????
Clark - Arguably
Baker - Absolutely

Now he wouldn't be an inspiring signing but if you consider him as a stop gap measure until some arab/russian/american bajillionaire comes in and buys Kompany for us we could do worse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2014, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: dekko on June 03, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
Senderos is pretty bad, granted, but is he better than what we have?

Okore - ?????
Clark - Arguably
Baker - Absolutely

Now he wouldn't be an inspiring signing but if you consider him as a stop gap measure until some arab/russian/american bajillionaire comes in and buys Kompany for us we could do worse.
Unless we were to get someone like Lescott, I'd probably just not bother signing a plodder like Senderos, and concentrate on other positions in more dire need, like full back and midfield.
I mean Senderos is better to have in the side than Baker, but we'd have to pay him a bare minimum of about 30k a week. That's money that could go toward other positions, or better centerbacks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mrastonvilla on June 03, 2014, 10:59:57 PM
If we are after a stop gap go into the loan market with the money. Signing older footballers of questionable quality on relatively high wages and 3-4 year contracts is what got us into a mess in the first place!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
I don't know what to think about the central defence right now.

I like Vlaar, I think he's good enough for a team challenging for europe.
I like what I've seen of Okore, he looks a huge talent, and importantly he's exceptionally quick.
I like Clark but think he can be a bit weak so he ends up getting caught out, either by being rolled or by pulling or shoving players who've out muscled him.
I'm very nervous about Baker starting regularly, his concentration and positioning are highly suspect and his passing is pitiful.

My issue though is, where in that list do we sign someone to 'fit'; a starter means Clark and Okore fight it out for a place on the bench, I can't see either being happy with that and I think both have enoujgh about them that I want to see them play; a 4th choice means continuing the trend from last summerof buying squad filler rather than first teamers, which isn't really where we should be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2014, 11:00:20 PM
I don't see the point in replacing not-very-good players with more not-very-good players.

Senderos is fucking rubbish. Let's be totally honest about it. I appreciate we're probably more disposed to find the positives in players, seeing as we're clearly heading for another summer window in Poundland, but really, these players we're discussing here are deeply, deeply underwhelming, even with our new Big Wigan status.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2014, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 03, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
My issue though is, where in that list do we sign someone to 'fit'; a starter means Clark and Okore fight it out for a place on the bench, I can't see either being happy with that and I think both have enoujgh about them that I want to see them play; a 4th choice means continuing the trend from last summerof buying squad filler rather than first teamers, which isn't really where we should be.

I'd much rather go with Vlaar and Okore as starters than waste wage money on the likes of Senderos, who aren't any better, and spend the money on a left back instead. There's a decent chance Vlaar, Okore, plus back up from Clark and Baker would be just about enough, whereas I can't see either Bennett or Luna cutting it at left back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
I would sooner give Haangeland 12 months than Senderos 3 years too. I could see the point in it, especially as Okore is coming back from major injury, Baker and Vlaar are very injury prone and Clark is about as imposing as a wet fart. All in all I could see the point. Senderos? No, because as Paulie rightly says, he is fucking shit.

Sidwell, I could see the point of getting back as he is better than most of what we have. Fer from Norwich is significantly better than what we have. Hoolahan is different to anything we have. They are not exciting but would be improvements. Senderos would be battling with Baker for best impression in the weekly gameshow "Footballers in their eyes". Trying to emulate the true greats like Car Tiler or more recently, Liam Ridgewell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on June 04, 2014, 08:58:21 AM
We need a versatile centre-back, in the mould of Micah Richards, to back up Vlaar and Okore, and cover Lowton at RB, and a first choice LB. Keep Bennett, lose Luna, as LB cover. Then I think the defence will be in decent shape.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ktvillan on June 04, 2014, 09:30:45 AM
Senderos strikes me as half decent in the air but slow, prone to errors and lack of concentration, and at best average.  We already have a few who can offer those "qualities" so I can't see the point of singing another one, especially one who is also past his best.   We'd have to be fucking desperate......oh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2014, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: Bully2345 on June 03, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
So we're having a meltdown over Senderos as well now?

I can't keep up with this

So, you're having a meltdown over people not rating a player now, are you?

I can't keep up with this.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 04, 2014, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2014, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 03, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
My issue though is, where in that list do we sign someone to 'fit'; a starter means Clark and Okore fight it out for a place on the bench, I can't see either being happy with that and I think both have enoujgh about them that I want to see them play; a 4th choice means continuing the trend from last summerof buying squad filler rather than first teamers, which isn't really where we should be.

I'd much rather go with Vlaar and Okore as starters than waste wage money on the likes of Senderos, who aren't any better, and spend the money on a left back instead. There's a decent chance Vlaar, Okore, plus back up from Clark and Baker would be just about enough, whereas I can't see either Bennett or Luna cutting it at left back.

That's exactly what I mean (I wrote it really badly, I think I should've just gone to bed before posting that), if we spend on the central defence it needs to be someone who is instantly the best defender at the club, signing someone like Senderos as a starter just isn't worth it.  I could see the logic with Lescott, very good defender who can play well at LB as well.  That's the level we need to be looking at to sign a central defender.  Aside from that I still think our biggest problem in defence is tactical, we let teams get round the sides of us far too easily, once that happens you're always stretched and there will always be space for people in the box.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 04, 2014, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 03, 2014, 08:43:16 AM
When he was at Arsenal, Senderos was my favourite 'comedy' defender. The one who looked like he'd won a competition to be in the team.

I won't be laughing if he signs for us.

He was funny but not a patch on the master of comedy defending. Titus Bramble, even his name is funny.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 04, 2014, 12:29:15 PM
Senderos is shit but he's no Pascal Cygan.

I don't want us to sign him, although I'm not sure what the alternatives are. He's just about our level at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on June 04, 2014, 01:21:31 PM
Senderos is pretty crap but a step up from Baker, who's definitely crap. If Okore, Vlaar or Clark were injured I'd much rather throw that bald, lumbering goon in to the team than him.

We aren't going to spend any money, we have Vlaar and Okore as main centre backs, we will not be spending meaningful money on another one to sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 04, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: nick harper on June 04, 2014, 10:16:47 PM
If it keeps Baker and Clark further away from the first team, it's fine with me. I can't watch them any more.

(https://d2nh4f9cbhlobh.cloudfront.net/_uploads/galleries/31492/a-clockwork-orange-475864l.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on June 04, 2014, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on June 04, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: nick harper on June 04, 2014, 10:16:47 PM
If it keeps Baker and Clark further away from the first team, it's fine with me. I can't watch them any more.

(https://d2nh4f9cbhlobh.cloudfront.net/_uploads/galleries/31492/a-clockwork-orange-475864l.jpg)

"Please, dear Doc, I can't viddy them with mine glazzies no more! Show mercy!"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 04, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
If we get taken over, are Vlaar and Okore going to be the first ones replaced? Unlikely you would think. Would Senderos be a backup player for them anyhow? Probably. Is he better than Baker? Definitely. Does it improve our options at the back? Certainly. Would I have preferred Lescott? Of course, but then Vlaar or Okore may not have been dislodged easily by him based on his form last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2014, 12:02:10 AM
Hoolihan will be in next. Cheap and cheerful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: Newby on June 05, 2014, 12:02:10 AM
Hoolihan will be in next. Cheap and cheerful.

He's good, though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 05, 2014, 12:10:26 AM
I'd be very happy with Hoolahan. In fact, it'll feel like Christmas if we sign him, compared to how I feel at the moment. It feels like the first Monday in January.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2014, 12:12:49 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 05, 2014, 12:10:26 AM
I'd be very happy with Hoolahan. In fact, it'll feel like Christmas if we sign him, compared to how I feel at the moment. It feels like the first Monday in January.

And it is raining.

And you've got a rat hanging off your foot.

We walked past Snappy Snaps the other day, I pointed out the location and made a rat comment as we passed, as I have done every single time we've walked past there since your amusing story.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 05, 2014, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2014, 12:12:49 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 05, 2014, 12:10:26 AM
I'd be very happy with Hoolahan. In fact, it'll feel like Christmas if we sign him, compared to how I feel at the moment. It feels like the first Monday in January.

And it is raining.

And you've got a rat hanging off your foot.

We walked past Snappy Snaps the other day, I pointed out the location and made a rat comment as we passed, as I have done every single time we've walked past there since your amusing story.

Ha. I have to work opposite and re-live it every day. Still, not a single picture arose from that incident. Despite 30 or more people all taking videos, pictures, sketches etc. Who takes a picture like that and doesn't put it on the internet? Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 12:33:59 AM
I think even despite relegation, Norwich will make as sure as they can that Hoolahan ends up anywhere but here. At this point I'd welcome him to the club, but I suspect they'll play silly sods, and I'd hate us to chase him through another window and end up without a reasonable midfield signing again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Joey Barton in next :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Joey Barton in next :)
The sad part is, he'd walk straight into our first 11 with ease.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Joey Barton in next :)
The sad part is, he'd walk straight into our first 11 with ease.

He'd be our best player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Joey Barton in next :)
The sad part is, he'd walk straight into our first 11 with ease.

I'm not sure it's that sad - whilst his behaviour makes him an acquired taste he is actually a good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 05, 2014, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: Richard E on June 05, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Joey Barton in next :)
The sad part is, he'd walk straight into our first 11 with ease.

I'm not sure it's that sad - whilst his behaviour makes him an acquired taste he is actually a good player.

He is, he turned in one of the best individual performances I've seen from a player when playing for Man City at Wigan a few seasons ago. Although City lost 4-3 he was superb that day, sometimes seemed it was Wigan v Barton. He then spoiled it for me by ambushing the Wigan support in the Asda car park after the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 05, 2014, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: Richard E on June 05, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2014, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Joey Barton in next :)
The sad part is, he'd walk straight into our first 11 with ease.

I'm not sure it's that sad - whilst his behaviour makes him an acquired taste he is actually a good player.

He is, he turned in one of the best individual performances I've seen from a player when playing for Man City at Wigan a few seasons ago. Although City lost 4-3 he was superb that day, sometimes seemed it was Wigan v Barton. He then spoiled it for me by ambushing the Wigan support in the Asda car park after the game.

He was brilliant against us at Villa Park a couple of times, I seem to remember him absolutely bossing that FA Cup game when Micah Richards got a late equaliser.

If fact, I've seen him play well at Villa Park more times than most of our squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 05, 2014, 03:20:42 PM
Almost hate myself for typing this, but how about Darron Gibson from Everton?

We won't be going the route of signing top class players again anytime soon, but using similar logic to the Senderos deal, he'd be an improvement on most of our options in the centre of the park.

Can weigh in with goals from midfield (something we've been crying out for) and a decent passer of the ball too. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 05, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
maybe Eric C fancies a return? Imagine that for a combustible holy trinity of nut jobs, Eric Joey and Roy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 05, 2014, 03:20:42 PM
Almost hate myself for typing this, but how about Darron Gibson from Everton?

We won't be going the route of signing top class players again anytime soon, but using similar logic to the Senderos deal, he'd be an improvement on most of our options in the centre of the park.

Can weigh in with goals from midfield (something we've been crying out for) and a decent passer of the ball too. 
Has he been released?

I suppose he's an upgrade on KEA, Sylla and possibly even Westwood. Hardly inspiring but he would improve us in the middle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ashkar on June 05, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
If No takeover, dont think Lerner will sanction anything more than this.

1. Senderos (confirmed) i would have prefered Hangelaand
2. Hoolahan
3. Aaron Cresswell (maybe swap deal involving bennett?)
4. Jack Rodwell on Loan
 
Out
1. Albrighton
2. Bennett
3. Sylla
4. Helenius

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2014, 06:12:11 PM
Accepting Barton would be admitting you fancy an ugly bird.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 05, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 05, 2014, 03:20:42 PM
Almost hate myself for typing this, but how about Darron Gibson from Everton?

We won't be going the route of signing top class players again anytime soon, but using similar logic to the Senderos deal, he'd be an improvement on most of our options in the centre of the park.

Can weigh in with goals from midfield (something we've been crying out for) and a decent passer of the ball too. 
Has he been released?

I suppose he's an upgrade on KEA, Sylla and possibly even Westwood. Hardly inspiring but he would improve us in the middle.

Not released.

But seeing as they only signed him for £2.5 million and he barely features for them, I don't see how they could demand the earth for him.

Though it may depend on what they do vis a vis Barry and McCarthy this summer.

He'd be an improvement on KEA and Westwood and he isn't as much of a dick as Barton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on June 05, 2014, 08:52:25 PM
Rumours on Twatter that Vlaar is in talks with United. Not Manchester, Newcastle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2014, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: not3bad on June 05, 2014, 08:52:25 PM
Rumours on Twatter that Vlaar is in talks with United. Not Manchester, Newcastle.

Mind you the rumour was started by someone called footballdave.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2014, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2014, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: not3bad on June 05, 2014, 08:52:25 PM
Rumours on Twatter that Vlaar is in talks with United. Not Manchester, Newcastle.

Mind you the rumour was started by someone called footballdave.

But he is an agent with extensive links to something called the BPL. I'm convinced.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
Didn't Holland fly to Brazil today?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 05, 2014, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 05, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 05, 2014, 03:20:42 PM
Almost hate myself for typing this, but how about Darron Gibson from Everton?

We won't be going the route of signing top class players again anytime soon, but using similar logic to the Senderos deal, he'd be an improvement on most of our options in the centre of the park.

Can weigh in with goals from midfield (something we've been crying out for) and a decent passer of the ball too. 
Has he been released?

I suppose he's an upgrade on KEA, Sylla and possibly even Westwood. Hardly inspiring but he would improve us in the middle.

Not released.

But seeing as they only signed him for £2.5 million and he barely features for them, I don't see how they could demand the earth for him.

Though it may depend on what they do vis a vis Barry and McCarthy this summer.

He'd be an improvement on KEA and Westwood and he isn't as much of a dick as Barton.

He barely features for them as he did his knee at the start of last season playing for Ireland and missed the whole year. Gibson was very good under Moyes, think the fee was 500k or so - http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/13/everton-darron-gibson-manchester-united.

Wouldnt have McCarthy's mobility but Id say Gibson will get plenty of chances under Martinez next year with them playing in Europe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 09:36:35 PM
If we can get say £4m out of Yanited for Styrofoam Ron then that should fund the Lescott wages . I'd say that's a win win situation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 05, 2014, 09:51:09 PM
Silhill, I like Ron, but the pairing of Lescott and Okore fills me with pleasure!

(Can't help thinking Uncle Frank's looking over my shoulder here, with a disapproving glare!)

Convinced Lescott would never come to us, with other clubs prepared to throw silly money at him, eg WHam and QPR!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 09:36:35 PM
If we can get say £4m out of Yanited for Styrofoam Ron then that should fund the Lescott wages . I'd say that's a win win situation.

Why would Vlaar only be worth what we paid for him after two years in the premier league?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2014, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 09:36:35 PM
If we can get say £4m out of Yanited for Styrofoam Ron then that should fund the Lescott wages . I'd say that's a win win situation.

Why would Vlaar only be worth what we paid for him after two years in the premier league?

Last year of contract innit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
Ah yes
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 10:50:35 PM
Yeah I guess QPR could gazump us if they want Lescott , guess west ham are flush with money too being given a free stadium and the ability to redevelop the Boleyn and make £100's of millions
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 05, 2014, 11:14:34 PM
If we are truly shopping in the bargain basement is it worth having a loan punt on some of the flop strikers from last season that clubs will be trying everything to get rid of?

Luuk De Jong, Papiss Cisse, Van Wolfswinkle, Mitrogolou, Bendtner, Jovetic, Moses, Aspas, Marin, Osvaldo, Crouch, Jones, altidore, Borini

Would take Moses and Jovetic for sure. Maybe Osvaldo as the main striker up front to replace Benteke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
Borini wasn't that bad at Sunderland in fairness last season, plays as wide forward in a 4-3-3.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2014, 11:19:39 PM
It's not strikers we need Bronte, it's midfielders and full backs, oh, and someone who can put the ball in the box. Still, what do I know? I'm sure Mr Lambert knows what he's doing!!!

Darren Gibson? Anonymous. Another Steve Sidwell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2014, 11:22:05 PM
Moses is definately one I would be in for on loan this season. Luuk De Jong looked like the type of forward better suited to playing out 1 role than he was playing at Newcastle too, so again not a bad shout. Borini too had a good season but if available you would think Sunderland would have him back. Marin is a super little footballer, as is Van Ginkel if Chelsea get Febregas.

Even with only 12 months, I reckon you would get about 7 for Vlaar. I am stunned at the stance of not offering him and Delph new deals though. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
Moses seems to be another Scott Sinclair or Sidwell.

Someone who does look decent at a lower club, moves to a top 4 club and bench warms for a season, is made for life financially and then either lacks fitness or motivation when they move away.

I'd much rather look at loaning in a young up and coming player from one of these clubs who hasn't been corrupted yet by fame and money.

I was thinking with us signing Senderos why not go instead for someone like Tomas Kalas on loan from Chelsea? He looked very composed on his debut at Anfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 05, 2014, 11:40:32 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 05, 2014, 11:19:39 PM
It's not strikers we need Bronte, it's midfielders and full backs, oh, and someone who can put the ball in the box. Still, what do I know? I'm sure Mr Lambert knows what he's doing!!!

Our forward roster for next season

Benteke - out until after Xmas and if last season is any indication it will takes ages to get him match fit
Gabby - 4 goals last season, 21 league goals in last four gruesome seasons. Finished imo
Weimann - gobby little fat sh*t. 5 goals last season, 12 league goals in last 2 seasons
Kozak - back from broken leg and with mobility of a snail. 4 goals last year but with no-one to cross in the ball to him
Tonev - ....
Nzogbia - not yet back from serious injury, gobby little fat sh*t. 5 league goals in first 2 seasons at club
Grealish - untested at senior level
Bent - finished and like Kozak has no-one to supply him with crosses

Honestly think we will be down by Xmas if they are our go to guys for goals and assists next season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 05, 2014, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
Moses seems to be another Scott Sinclair or Sidwell.

Someone who does look decent at a lower club, moves to a top 4 club and bench warms for a season, is made for life financially and then either lacks fitness or motivation when they move away.

I'd much rather look at loaning in a young up and coming player from one of these clubs who hasn't been corrupted yet by fame and money.

I was thinking with us signing Senderos why not go instead for someone like Tomas Kalas on loan from Chelsea? He looked very composed on his debut at Anfield.

Moses had a decent first season at Chelsea under Benitez. Awful at Liverpool alright but if one crap season was enough to write off every player we wouldn't have a single decent player in our first team squad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 11:50:28 PM
Who's getting Lukaka this season on loan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2014, 12:08:02 AM
I don't want Lambert wasting money if he has only got a little to spend. Get the shape right and play Gabby and Wiemann centrally. Midfield is where we struggle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 06, 2014, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 11:50:28 PM
Who's getting Lukaka this season on loan?

Jose is on the cusp of meeting himself coming back (disappearing up his own arse) and so he could could well loan the mercurial Belgian to himself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2014, 04:50:41 AM
Next one in for Villa? Must be little Wes I reckon.  Cheap and cheerful just the way Randy likes it!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 06, 2014, 05:03:03 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2014, 11:50:28 PM
Who's getting Lukaka this season on loan?

Somebody else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on June 06, 2014, 06:55:03 AM
We definitely need a striker. Only kozak looks like scoring but he's injured and slow anyway

We need a reasonably pacey guy who can score

I know people will laugh but I'd be looking at fraizer Campbell
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on June 06, 2014, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 06, 2014, 06:55:03 AM
We definitely need a striker. Only kozak looks like scoring but he's injured and slow anyway

We need a reasonably pacey guy who can score

I know people will laugh but I'd be looking at fraizer Campbell

Your right we do need a striker, as well as a quality left back and a couple of midfielders. Don't hold much hope though that we will be signing anyone half decent though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villasjf on June 06, 2014, 08:37:31 AM
We are not only looking in poundland we are checking the bins too. I am not expecting much we were told to lower our expectations.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 06, 2014, 10:12:01 AM
Had a contract offer turned down by Rio Ferdinand apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on June 06, 2014, 10:13:41 AM
Ferdinand , Keane , Sendaros ..well can't say we not looking at experience in all area's
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Here's some ITK that I probably don't even believe myself, just for discussion like.

Lescott turned us down, Milner has been approached, Barry considering offer of 60k a week, Benteke will be back by September, no new contract for Gabby, Keane is coming, we don't want Sidwell, Given to be second keeper, Steer to go out on loan, we are breaking even and have money to spend but are still working to a budget.

Supposedly from PF but via somebody else. Should I join TBAR?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on June 06, 2014, 10:28:13 AM
Fair play, Percy, that's some going!

It beats my ITK anyway: when visiting family at Easter, my youngest brother told me that he plays for the same team as Nathan Baker's best mate, who refers to Baker as the 'Show Pony'. With mates like that, eh...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Should I join TBAR?

Not until you have had the info confirmed by two sources. And have bought some biscuits.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 06, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Should I join TBAR?

Not until you have had the info confirmed by two sources. And have bought some biscuits.

And when it's proved you were wrong, you'll post a long winded statement telling us that you'll 'fall on your sword',  making an absolute arse of yourself in the process.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Should I join TBAR?

Not until you have had the info confirmed by two sources. And have bought some biscuits.

And when it's proved you were wrong, you'll post a long winded statement telling us that you'll 'fall on your sword',  making an absolute arse of yourself in the process.

One source and a breakfast bar. I'll have to stay here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 06, 2014, 11:01:43 AM
So, Barry considering and Milner approached. If they both say "yes", can we have the pair, or will it be decided on penalties? And, cos I can't be arsed to keep up with such things, how long's Gabby got left? Finally year, I presume?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
I would not be  suprised if Liverpool go in for Milner . Im not sure If they actually need him but he's best mate is a coach/scout there .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MONCABA on June 06, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 06, 2014, 11:01:43 AM
So, Barry considering and Milner approached. If they both say "yes", can we have the pair, or will it be decided on penalties? And, cos I can't be arsed to keep up with such things, how long's Gabby got left? Finally year, I presume?
I thought Milner was staying at the Etihad?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 11:22:43 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Should I join TBAR?

Not until you have had the info confirmed by two sources. And have bought some biscuits.

And when it's proved you were wrong, you'll post a long winded statement telling us that you'll 'fall on your sword',  making an absolute arse of yourself in the process.

Or come out with some long self-justification explaining how although what you said was not correct it was in some obscure metaphysical sense "true" and that it doesn't really matter anyway because the ITK stuff is entertaining whether it is true or not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2014, 11:32:38 AM
      Bent             Benteke
              Holalhan
     Barton    Delph    nzogbia
 Cresswell     Senedros  Vlaar  Hutton
               Guzan


looks like the team at this rate ;)    gossip etc     


In their day would probably keep us up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 06, 2014, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
I would not be  suprised if Liverpool go in for Milner . Im not sure If they actually need him but he's best mate is a coach/scout there .

JAMES MILNER FACT : His best mate isn't involved in football.

For more nuggets like that sign up at www.jamesmilner-ITK.com
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 06, 2014, 11:37:05 AM
According to Tom Ross, we approached Rio Ferdinand's agent but no offer was made. Not sure why we'd want his agent though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on June 06, 2014, 11:40:15 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2650545/Rio-Ferdinand-snubs-Aston-Villa-free-transfer-Manchester-United-contract-expires.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 06, 2014, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
I would not be  suprised if Liverpool go in for Milner . Im not sure If they actually need him but he's best mate is a coach/scout there .

JAMES MILNER FACT : His best mate isn't involved in football.

For more nuggets like that sign up at www.jamesmilner-ITK.com

well I say the bloke he lived when he played for the villa -  so one of his good mates . 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 06, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2014, 11:37:05 AM
According to Tom Ross, we approached Rio Ferdinand's agent but no offer was made.

We merked Ferdinand good and proper.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
I hope we sign Hoolahan.

Isn't he out of contract now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 06, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
If Rio Ferdinand is pictured stretching the Villa shirt my season ticket goes back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 06, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
I hope we sign Hoolahan.

Isn't he out of contract now?
Hopefully. That would then allow us to completely bypass dealing with Norwich, who wouldn't sell us their piss if we were on fire.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 06, 2014, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
I hope we sign Hoolahan.

Isn't he out of contract now?

Into the last year I thought?

The problem is, if Norwich have genuine hopes of coming straight back up Hoolahan exactly the type of player they need to keep hold of.

I'd be much more excited by taking Fer from them (think he played with Vlaar and KEA at Feyenoord?) but know that's highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 06, 2014, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 06, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
I hope we sign Hoolahan.

Isn't he out of contract now?
Hopefully. That would then allow us to completely bypass dealing with Norwich, who wouldn't sell us their piss if we were on fire.

We'd have to just take the piss.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 06, 2014, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Here's some ITK that I probably don't even believe myself, just for discussion like.

Lescott turned us down, Milner has been approached, Barry considering offer of 60k a week, Benteke will be back by September, no new contract for Gabby, Keane is coming, we don't want Sidwell, Given to be second keeper, Steer to go out on loan, we are breaking even and have money to spend but are still working to a budget.

Supposedly from PF but via somebody else. Should I join TBAR?

That all sounds very plausible, considering the 'turned us down', 'has been approached' and 'considering'. I doubt we'd see Milner though and probably not Barry either. A midfield of Barry, Milner and Delph would be top 6 in my humble whatever.

If we are only breaking even then I shudder to think what the bomb squad must be earning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 06, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
The most logical suggestion there is to have Given on the bench and Steer out on loan getting some games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on June 06, 2014, 12:37:20 PM
I have given up my season ticket for family reasons.

However, if Milner signs, somehow I will work out a season ticket.

If that isnt reason enough to get him in, strike me down
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 06, 2014, 12:58:37 PM
Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-comment-mat-kendrick-7227777)

Quote
Mat Kendrick comment: Rio Ferdinand deal was a non-starter

Aston Villa comment: Mat Kendrick says Rio Ferdinand move was always a non-starter

Jun 06, 2014 12:19  By Mat Kendrick

 To borrow a phrase from Rio Ferdinand’s old pranks programme, the veteran defender wasn’t ‘merked’ by Aston Villa .

It has emerged that Villa genuinely made a tentative enquiry about Ferdinand’s future plans before turning their attentions to Philippe Senderos.

Ferdinand to Villa?

Admirable ambition, because the former England defender still has plenty to offer either in the Premier League or wherever else he decides to finish his career.

But that transfer was surely the biggest ‘non-starter’ since...erm...Alan Hutton.

In fact it was the biggest ‘non-starter’ since I grudgingly dined out and settled for just a main course and a dessert.

Villa are not in a position to give the £100,000-plus-per-week 35-year-old his last big pay day at a time when the club is up for sale and the future is so uncertain.

And although stranger things have happened – Ferdinand’s former Old Trafford team-mate Roy Keane being lined up for a coaching role for a start – the ex West Ham, Leeds and Manchester United centre-half will attract more lucrative and glamorous offers from over here or overseas.

Hence Villa signing Senderos instead.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on June 06, 2014, 01:10:09 PM
wow, Mat really appears to like himself
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Its all down to me folks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
£100,000 a week, I'm glad it was a non-starter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 06, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
If we can't get Rio, there is still Anton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on June 06, 2014, 01:47:05 PM
Quote from: *shellac* on June 06, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
If we can't get Rio, there is still Anton.

Shudders!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]

I can't believe someone who hasn't been worried for one second in the last 2 seasons about us going down can be scared at the prospect of something as straightforward as getting married.

Congratulations!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 06, 2014, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
£100,000 a week, I'm glad it was a non-starter.

Not to mention he's half the player of 2 seasons ago and a complete and utter knob.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 06, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
What if Barry does come back and is off the pitch when we get a penalty, what happens then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on June 06, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
What if Barry does come back and is off the pitch when we get a penalty, what happens then?

We'll have a special dispensation from the FA to bring him (back) on to take it.
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]

I can't believe someone who hasn't been worried for one second in the last 2 seasons about us going down can be scared at the prospect of something as straightforward as getting married.

Congratulations!!

Yes, good luck. Although I'm surprised she didn't dump you after your disastrous reign as our manager. No home wins ffs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on June 06, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]

All the best, mate, make sure you don't take your eye of the ball and fuck it up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 06, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on June 06, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
What if Barry does come back and is off the pitch when we get a penalty, what happens then?

I think we'll have to re-sign Ashley Young too.

A Villa midfield of Young-Milner-Barry-Delph will do for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2014, 03:47:27 PM
I forgot my name at mine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on June 06, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
The registrar at my wedding was so concerned with getting my name right, that he made a mistake with my wife's, really simple, surname.

All her friends have referred to her using that mistaken name ever since.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]

I can't believe someone who hasn't been worried for one second in the last 2 seasons about us going down can be scared at the prospect of something as straightforward as getting married.

Congratulations!!

Yes, good luck. Although I'm surprised she didn't dump you after your disastrous reign as our manager. No home wins ffs.

I wouldn't let someone with that sort of managerial record marry my daughter.

I'll never forgive him for what he did to our club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ashkar on June 06, 2014, 07:30:36 PM
Tom Ince available on a free. pretty sure will end up with hoolahan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: ashkar on June 06, 2014, 07:30:36 PM
Tom Ince available on a free.


Crikey.

Mind you, i suppose his dad has told him to run his contract down and coin it in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on June 06, 2014, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 06, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]

All the best, mate, make sure you don't take your eye of the ball and fuck it up.
Good luck Ads!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2014, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: ashkar on June 06, 2014, 07:30:36 PM
Tom Ince available on a free.


Crikey.

Mind you, i suppose his dad has told him to run his contract down and coin it in.

Is his dad mates with Keane ?      was not  that good for Palace , he made Boliase look like ronaldo
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2014, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: fbriai on June 06, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
The registrar at my wedding was so concerned with getting my name right, that he made a mistake with my wife's, really simple, surname.

All her friends have referred to her using that mistaken name ever since.

I was incredibly stressed in the days leading up to my wedding. Mainly because her family meeting my family was clearly going to be like the Royal Family meeting the Royle Family. But bizarrely, all through the day itself I was completely chilled out. I didn't even sweat, despite wearing a three piece suit in a heatwave in the south of France. To this day I still suspect someone put something in my tea that morning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Colhint on June 06, 2014, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2014, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: fbriai on June 06, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
The registrar at my wedding was so concerned with getting my name right, that he made a mistake with my wife's, really simple, surname.

All her friends have referred to her using that mistaken name ever since.



I was incredibly stressed in the days leading up to my wedding. Mainly because her family meeting my family was clearly going to be like the Royal Family meeting the Royle Family. But bizarrely, all through the day itself I was completely chilled out. I didn't even sweat, despite wearing a three piece suit in a heatwave in the south of France. To this day I still suspect someone put something in my tea that morning.

Never marry below your station, dear boy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 06, 2014, 07:57:24 PM
My wife was so wound up she could not pronounce the word 'matrimony'. She just told the guy to skip it and get on with the next bit.

To this day I am convinced I am not actually married.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 06, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
On the way to my wedding, on a coach with all the guests, I saw the words "Don't do it, Mat" spray painted on a road sign. (Matthew is my name). No-one on the coach believed me, but it was there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 06, 2014, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: Colhint on June 06, 2014, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2014, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: fbriai on June 06, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
The registrar at my wedding was so concerned with getting my name right, that he made a mistake with my wife's, really simple, surname.

All her friends have referred to her using that mistaken name ever since.



I was incredibly stressed in the days leading up to my wedding. Mainly because her family meeting my family was clearly going to be like the Royal Family meeting the Royle Family. But bizarrely, all through the day itself I was completely chilled out. I didn't even sweat, despite wearing a three piece suit in a heatwave in the south of France. To this day I still suspect someone put something in my tea that morning.

Never marry below your station, dear boy

My wife did.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2014, 11:20:26 PM
Quote from: Colhint on June 06, 2014, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2014, 07:37:53 PM
I was incredibly stressed in the days leading up to my wedding. Mainly because her family meeting my family was clearly going to be like the Royal Family meeting the Royle Family. But bizarrely, all through the day itself I was completely chilled out. I didn't even sweat, despite wearing a three piece suit in a heatwave in the south of France. To this day I still suspect someone put something in my tea that morning.

Never marry below your station, dear boy

I didn't - my wife did! Although there are some things my family definitely do better, like having a bloody good time, for a start.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2014, 11:25:58 PM
Back to transfers, if Tom Ince wants to stay in the Prem we should be in. He would be way more use than our current wide options and give us pace that we simply don't have.

I would like the Palace captain who plays holding midfield too, strong player.

If we could get Barry I would be delighted, but he will go elsewhere.

A left back would be nice.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
Isn't Tom Ince signing for either Inter Milan or Monaco?

I'm guessing that either of the above are more attractive than us right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2014, 11:36:09 PM
Said he wants to stay in the premier league now. If I were him I'd have gone abroad for a bit as he wasn't really getting in Palace's team so maybe not quite as good as he thinks he is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2014, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 06, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
Isn't Tom Ince signing for either Inter Milan or Monaco?

I'm guessing that either of the above are more attractive than us right now.

hasn't he just "turned down" a move to Inter? Probably holding out for a bigger club like Vancouver or Bolton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 06, 2014, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 06, 2014, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: Colhint on June 06, 2014, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2014, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: fbriai on June 06, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
The registrar at my wedding was so concerned with getting my name right, that he made a mistake with my wife's, really simple, surname.

All her friends have referred to her using that mistaken name ever since.



I was incredibly stressed in the days leading up to my wedding. Mainly because her family meeting my family was clearly going to be like the Royal Family meeting the Royle Family. But bizarrely, all through the day itself I was completely chilled out. I didn't even sweat, despite wearing a three piece suit in a heatwave in the south of France. To this day I still suspect someone put something in my tea that morning.

Never marry below your station, dear boy

My wife did.

Age is a great leveller...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on June 06, 2014, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
Gareth Barry will definitely come back. He must miss bumping into a drunk Ads in Michu on Summer Row.

Aren't you getting married on Saturday?

There won't be much more drunk Ads in Michu if so

;-)

In 24 hours time, I will have a wife....


[Scared face]

Good luck Ads, hope everything goes well.
She's very lucky!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2014, 11:36:09 PM
Said he wants to stay in the premier league now. If I were him I'd have gone abroad for a bit as he wasn't really getting in Palace's team so maybe not quite as good as he thinks he is?
In much the same way as Groucho Marx wouldn't want to join any club that would accept him as a member, anybody who would turn down Inter Milan in order to come to us in our current state I'm not sure I would want.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 07, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
Thanks for the well wishes ladies and gents! Very kind of you.

I will work out how to post a few pictures of the day when we get back from Aus, so you can recognise me at the Villa and come and poke me if you like next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 12:45:27 AM
I agree, but right now beggars and choosers come to mind. If he is cheap, he is possibly a lucrative asset in the future, and would give us something different to what we have.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 12:45:58 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 07, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
Thanks for the well wishes ladies and gents! Very kind of you.

I will work out how to post a few pictures of the day when we get back from Aus, so you can recognise me at the Villa and come and poke me if you like next season.


Whoa there. No poking thanks!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VancouverLion on June 07, 2014, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2014, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 06, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
Isn't Tom Ince signing for either Inter Milan or Monaco?

I'm guessing that either of the above are more attractive than us right now.

hasn't he just "turned down" a move to Inter? Probably holding out for a bigger club like Vancouver or Bolton.
He ain't good enough for the Caps TV!!! ;) He wouldn't get in the side not with Morales, Laba, Fernandez & Koffie in midfield!! Never mind NRC making those rampaging Cafu like attacks from right back, top team now ya know!!! lol
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VancouverLion on June 07, 2014, 01:39:58 AM
My cousin in Brum sent me a text earlier saying he's heard from someone ITK that Vlaar is off to the Geordies after the world cup, dead cert!
FFS please don't tell me we've signed Senderos and letting him go!! Senderos and Baker does not worth thinking about!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2014, 01:52:36 AM
Quote from: VancouverLion on June 07, 2014, 01:39:58 AM
My cousin in Brum sent me a text earlier saying he's heard from someone ITK that Vlaar is off to the Geordies after the world cup, dead cert!
FFS please don't tell me we've signed Senderos and letting him go!! Senderos and Baker does not worth thinking about!

Difficult to see how Our Ron would be interviewed saying welcome Roy Keane and then bugger off to the Northeast, as far as he could get....


Hang on
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 07, 2014, 02:03:53 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2014, 01:52:36 AM
Quote from: VancouverLion on June 07, 2014, 01:39:58 AM
My cousin in Brum sent me a text earlier saying he's heard from someone ITK that Vlaar is off to the Geordies after the world cup, dead cert!
FFS please don't tell me we've signed Senderos and letting him go!! Senderos and Baker does not worth thinking about!

Difficult to see how Our Ron would be interviewed saying welcome Roy Keane and then bugger off to the Northeast, as far as he could get....


Hang on

I agree Lou. All the interviews I have seen indicate RV is staying. For now.

On the other hand, one year left on contract plus no intention of renewing is a sell sign to all and sundry. I am more concerned about Delph, but an inadequately replaced Vlaar could screw us double quick time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2014, 02:25:25 AM
You know, I think he is staying as well, but it's so difficult to work out what any of our players are thinking or planning because of the usual stuff that happens this time of year, about transfers.

But also because of the selling of the club.
Or maybe not.  It's a nightmare.

I am just going to play a lot of 70's disco (my drug of choice) and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 07, 2014, 02:34:02 AM
Good call!

This always works for me.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2014, 02:56:50 AM
Great choice!

And as we disco into the small hours of Saturday morning, it's a goodnight from me, as the pages are taking forever to load. No match on, so the students next door are on my broadband link watching god knows what and playing online games till their little fingers fall off.

UTV!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 07, 2014, 11:16:11 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 12:45:58 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 07, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
Thanks for the well wishes ladies and gents! Very kind of you.

I will work out how to post a few pictures of the day when we get back from Aus, so you can recognise me at the Villa and come and poke me if you like next season.


Whoa there. No poking thanks!

He must mean on Facebook
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: nodge on June 07, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
If Vlaar's on the new kit photo shoot it's usually a good sign he's staying.  They normally play it safe with that or someone will prove me completely wrong in a minute.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 07, 2014, 12:44:41 PM
Rio Ferdinand will be playing for QPR or in the US of A by the time the season starts.  Same with Lampard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

How do you work that out?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

How do you work that out?

Didn't he a while back claim that experienced players were overrated and it was all about "young and hungry" players at Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

How do you work that out?

Didn't he a while back claim that experienced players were overrated and it was all about "young and hungry" players at Aston Villa?

Maybe he's seen the error of his ways. I'd call that learning from your mistakes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 07, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

I fail to see how Lamberts principles can be linked to (apparently) wanting a player who until recently was plying his trade at the top of European football.  And who will have no shortage of takers this summer.

Who exactly should we be looking to sign?  Kompany?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2014, 01:09:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

How do you work that out?

Didn't he a while back claim that experienced players were overrated and it was all about "young and hungry" players at Aston Villa?

Maybe he's seen the error of his ways. I'd call that learning from your mistakes.

Or simply evolving. I'm sure every manager over time has done that to some degree, especially the very best.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

How do you work that out?

Didn't he a while back claim that experienced players were overrated and it was all about "young and hungry" players at Aston Villa?

Maybe he's seen the error of his ways. I'd call that learning from your mistakes.

Perhaps. Though it was probably more to do with Lerner not sanctioning the higher wages demanded by older experienced players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 01:14:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 07, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

How do you work that out?

Didn't he a while back claim that experienced players were overrated and it was all about "young and hungry" players at Aston Villa?

Maybe he's seen the error of his ways. I'd call that learning from your mistakes.

Perhaps. Though it was probably more to do with Lerner not sanctioning the higher wages demanded by older experienced players.

Which would also appear to have changed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 07, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 07, 2014, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

I fail to see how Lamberts principles can be linked to (apparently) wanting a player who until recently was plying his trade at the top of European football.  And who will have no shortage of takers this summer.

Who exactly should we be looking to sign?  Kompany?


Kompany would be good IMO
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 01:41:35 PM
I would love Barry back. Did i say that already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on June 07, 2014, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 01:41:35 PM
I would love Barry back. Did i say that already.

Me too. I think he made up for that foolishness with the NOTW when he sacked that poisonous agent and gave us his best for that extra year. He's gone away to win things and that's exactly what he's done. He's not quite the player he was, but he looked like he got a new lease of life at Everton and has some years left in him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
it's 9.20am here, and I haven't had any pop yet, add Barry, one or two experienced players, other coming back, add 3 or 4 quality players and keep Lambert, maybe things aren't so bad as things ended
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2014, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 07, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
According to the Mail we have made enquires about Rio Ferdinand! Old and not hungry. Looked shot towards the end of last season. If this is true Lambert has no principles whatsoever. Obviously a very good player in his time,Rio, but his time has gone.

My problem about someone like that is what his attitude would be like, after years of success at Man United, to come and play for us at the arse end of the table.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
The hope it gives me is that someone like Barry on a free or even Lescott too are not beyond us and it heralds a bit of a policy shift
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 07, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
The hope it gives me is that someone like Barry on a free or even Lescott too are not beyond us and it heralds a bit of a policy shift


I'll show my arse on the Holte pub corner if either of those turn up over the summer
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: darren woolley on June 07, 2014, 05:21:29 PM
I would like to see Barry come back still a top player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 07, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
As long as Barry stays fit he can play that deep midfield role in The Premier League for a few more years, he hasn't got any pace to lose.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 01:41:35 PM
I would love Barry back. Did i say that already.

Bannan , nah . I know he's not good enough for Palace but we need better ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2014, 06:38:52 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 07, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
As long as Barry stays fit he can play that deep midfield role in The Premier League for a few more years, he hasn't got any pace to lose.
He was a standout performer for 5th placed Everton so I'd have absolutely no worries about whether he's still good enough for us. An absolute class above anything we have in midfield right now to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 07, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Steve Sidwell has been released by Fulham and is available on a free transfer.
He was pretty anonymous for us first time round but has just had a good season for Fulham.
Worth a punt?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2014, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 07, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Steve Sidwell has been released by Fulham and is available on a free transfer.
He was pretty anonymous for us first time round but has just had a good season for Fulham.
Worth a punt?
Currently? Yes. 1-2 year deal. Sensible wage. Vast improvement over KEA and can score goals from midfield. He was anonymous first time round, but to be fair to him, he wasn't one of O Neill's first choice 11, he barely got a look in, barring injuries. Our best run of form for O Neill actually came when he was in the side (when we had Gab up top on his own). Of course that may have been in spite of Sidwell, rather than because of him.

Beggars can't be choosers really. He's good at disrupting the opposition and he'll make his presence felt. That can't always be said of Westwood and KEA who often disappear completely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 07, 2014, 07:37:50 PM
I would not go anywhere near Sidwell, I know he didn't get a decent run last time but he isn't good enough
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 07, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 07, 2014, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 07, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Steve Sidwell has been released by Fulham and is available on a free transfer.
He was pretty anonymous for us first time round but has just had a good season for Fulham.
Worth a punt?
Currently? Yes. 1-2 year deal. Sensible wage. Vast improvement over KEA and can score goals from midfield. He was anonymous first time round, but to be fair to him, he wasn't one Ofice O Neill's first choice 11, he barely got a look in, barring injuries. Our best run of form for O Neill actually came when he was in the side (when we had Gab up top on his own). Of course that may have been in spite of Sidwell, rather than because of him.

Beggars can't be choosers really. He's good at disrupting the opposition and he'll make his presence felt. That can't always be said of Westwood and KEA who often disappear completely.

Vast improvement over KEA ?  Are you having a laugh
I can't remember one decent game Sidwell had for Villa, whereas KEA had been effective at times
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 07, 2014, 07:51:38 PM
At the end of the season when most of us reckoned the side needed a big injection of quality I have to confess I wasn't really thinking of Sidwell and Senderos.  Lescott, Barry and Ferdinand at their peak were excellent players; Sidwell and Senderos at their peak were average players.  All of those five are past their peak now but I know which group I'd rather have.

I think Ferdinand in particular would give the youngsters a boost.  Of course his commitment level is a question mark but they're all on their way down that lot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 07, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
Would love Barry and Lescott on frees and a marquee loan signing like Lukaka
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
The hope it gives me is that someone like Barry on a free or even Lescott too are not beyond us and it heralds a bit of a policy shift


I'll show my arse on the Holte pub corner if either of those turn up over the summer

I think you will be safe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 07, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
I think I have been beaten into submission by last season. A year ago I would not have pissed on Barry if he were on fire. Now I am of the opnion that we would be very lucky to get him.

I can't see what use Ferdinand would have been. Had he been capable of playing a full season he would have done so last time out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pete3206 on June 07, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 07, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Steve Sidwell has been released by Fulham and is available on a free transfer.
He was pretty anonymous for us first time round but has just had a good season for Fulham.
Worth a punt?

No
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 07, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on June 07, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 07, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Steve Sidwell has been released by Fulham and is available on a free transfer.
He was pretty anonymous for us first time round but has just had a good season for Fulham.
Worth a punt?

No

He might be good as a coach specialising in throw-ins.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 08, 2014, 02:37:29 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
Would love Barry and Lescott on frees and a marquee loan signing like Lukaka
That's very Everton and won't happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2014, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 07, 2014, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 07, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Steve Sidwell has been released by Fulham and is available on a free transfer.
He was pretty anonymous for us first time round but has just had a good season for Fulham.
Worth a punt?
Currently? Yes. 1-2 year deal. Sensible wage. Vast improvement over KEA and can score goals from midfield. He was anonymous first time round, but to be fair to him, he wasn't one Ofice O Neill's first choice 11, he barely got a look in, barring injuries. Our best run of form for O Neill actually came when he was in the side (when we had Gab up top on his own). Of course that may have been in spite of Sidwell, rather than because of him.

Beggars can't be choosers really. He's good at disrupting the opposition and he'll make his presence felt. That can't always be said of Westwood and KEA who often disappear completely.

Vast improvement over KEA ?  Are you having a laugh
I can't remember one decent game Sidwell had for Villa, whereas KEA had been effective at times
I can remember a couple of decent games Sidwell had, particularly during the unbeaten run we had with him in the side, and of course Everton away, and we're talking about 5 years ago now. KEA is fresher in the memory but aside from a handful of average turnouts, I genuinely can't remember much. He's been played more consistently but has been totally anonymous.
That Sidwell couldn't standout in a midfield including players like Stan, Barry, Young, etc is more acceptable than KEA, who is effectively a first choice player.
Say what you will about Sidwell though, he was raised by Arsenal, has played in the Premier League for the last 7-8 years. So you can at least safely call him Premiership standard. KEA? Not sure on that one. He should go back to being average in the Dutch league to be honest. I'd honestly have Coker back over KEA too, he'd at least remind us he's playing every now and again, even if it were purely by doing his bull in a China shop routine. The Great El Ahmadlios disappearing trick is getting tiresome. We've seen it too often.

That said, we do need better players than Sidwell but if I'm asked whether I think it's more likely we'll re-sign Barry, or re-sign Sidwell, I'd say Sidwell (or that ilk) is more likely...sadly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
Sidwell was just incredibly average for us in his time here, he did actually play a fair bit in the first half of 09/10 ahead of NRC and before we moved Milner into central midfield.

He was comfortably the weakest link in that team, just average at passing, tackling and generally everything else bar a couple of goals and getting forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on June 08, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
And he was prone to being mugged in defence, or letting stray passes go without any seeming thought.  I can recall at least 2 unforgivable lapses  around the penalty area that lead to goals against in his last season.  That said he scored more goals than the rest of our midfield combined last season, so what does that say??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 08, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 07, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
I think I have been beaten into submission by last season. A year ago I would not have pissed on Barry if he were on fire. Now I am of the opnion that we would be very lucky to get him

Barry had a very good season. Guessing he proved a lot of people wrong, perhaps you were one of them?

I'd love him to come back. In his current role, he's a bit like Westwood but actually good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2014, 12:44:24 PM
He's a class act and would be that steadying influence just infront of the back 4 we've missed since Stan's sad demise.

To me our midfield is incredibly average against most teams we play in the league but partly because we have no decent attacking midfielder and our balance is wrong.

Stick Barry at the base, have Westwood as an inbetween to keep the passing ticking over (as he doesn't track runners enough which cost us a few goals last year) and Delph getting forward and suddenly you have a more balanced and competitive middle even if it still lacks a bit of creativity.

Barry is a competent set piece taker aswell so would imagine we'd score a few more from corners and free kicks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2014, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2014, 12:44:24 PM
He's a class act and would be that steadying influence just infront of the back 4 we've missed since Stan's sad demise.

To me our midfield is incredibly average against most teams we play in the league but partly because we have no decent attacking midfielder and our balance is wrong.

Stick Barry at the base, have Westwood as an inbetween to keep the passing ticking over (as he doesn't track runners enough which cost us a few goals last year) and Delph getting forward and suddenly you have a more balanced and competitive middle even if it still lacks a bit of creativity.

Barry is a competent set piece taker aswell so would imagine we'd score a few more from corners and free kicks.
Set pieces is also something we've persistently struggled with since Young left. Even in AY last couple of seasons his delivery was becoming erratic. But for a couple of seasons with Young delivering from one side, and Barry from another, we were really good with set pieces.

It's been ages since we've really had anyone who could take a half decent corner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2014, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on June 08, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
And he was prone to being mugged in defence, or letting stray passes go without any seeming thought.  I can recall at least 2 unforgivable lapses  around the penalty area that lead to goals against in his last season.  That said he scored more goals than the rest of our midfield combined last season, so what does that say??
Sidders has also been generally pretty solid for Fulham in the last couple of years, not just last season, so I'd say he's fefound the consistency that deserted him from Reading. To be honest with us he was punching above his weight (never mind being well out of his depth at Chelsea). Never, ever a top 6 quality player.

At his best a reasonable mid-table player.

And that makes him good enough for our first 11 now. :(
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 08, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
I can see the sense in Ferdinand if it is a player-prospective coach position.  He was a very good centre-half at the peak of his powers and baker/Clark and whoever could learn a lot from him. Plus if we went into the season with Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Ferdinand added to Lowton, Baker, Clark, Bennett, Luna (probably be sold or loaned back to Spain) then straight away we're stronger than last season. That's a mid-table back 4 and more importantly gives us some depth when the inevitable injuries strike.

Anyway be in touch with his agent means very little:

"Hello this is Aston Villa. Would Rio fancy coming here and what kind of money is he looking ofr?

"Well he would if the package was there. He'd be willing to take a drop in wages to around £60 000 per week"

"Would he take 40"?

"Yes, with at least another 20 000 on top"

"We'd like him to coach the kids also"

"That's 70 000 then"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
Sidwell is the player in recent years I've most forgotten was even on the pitch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2014, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
Sidwell is the player in recent years I've most forgotten was even on the pitch.

he will be forever known for two things; that goal at Everton, the ball boy act vs Hull. That is it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Witton Warrior on June 08, 2014, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2014, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
Sidwell is the player in recent years I've most forgotten was even on the pitch.

he will be forever known for two things; that goal at Everton, the ball boy act vs Hull. That is it.

When we played them at VP the only thing he did was kick Villa players...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
Sidwell- looks a decent player in a shit team and a shit player in a decent team. Would walk into our current team, sadly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on June 08, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
Sidwell- looks a decent player in a shit team and a shit player in a decent team. Would walk into our current team, sadly.
Watched him closely when giving a freebie ticket for the baggies v Fulham. There was a period in the game when the pace was slow and he looked in control but once the tempo went up he looked very average to say the least.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2014, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2014, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
Sidwell is the player in recent years I've most forgotten was even on the pitch.

he will be forever known for two things; that goal at Everton, the ball boy act vs Hull. That is it.

The ball boy thing against Hull was brilliant. I was sat in the Upper Trinity next to my Hull supporting brother in law. His face when it happened was worth the entrance price alone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 08, 2014, 05:09:17 PM
No point in bringing in Sidwell. Can't say he'd make much of a difference. He looked good in that Fulham team, but El Ahmadi probably would have. They were shocking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2014, 06:41:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
Sidwell is the player in recent years I've most forgotten was even on the pitch.
We've had too many midfielders like that in recent years unfortunately. KEA could walk off the pitch, run into the changing room to drop the Browns off at the pool, and no one would notice. Not even the officials. In fact...I'm now beginning to wonder just how many times he might have done that this season. I also suspect Andy Weimann may have had a few stealthy toilet visits too.
They may have used the secret tunnel that Salifou dug from the bench to the dressing room.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
Sidwell was just incredibly average for us in his time here, he did actually play a fair bit in the first half of 09/10 ahead of NRC and before we moved Milner into central midfield.

He was comfortably the weakest link in that team, just average at passing, tackling and generally everything else bar a couple of goals and getting forward.


I dont think he was even average , you are being really nice there .


So whats Shorey up to , desperate for a LB
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on June 08, 2014, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
Sidwell was just incredibly average for us in his time here, he did actually play a fair bit in the first half of 09/10 ahead of NRC and before we moved Milner into central midfield.

He was comfortably the weakest link in that team, just average at passing, tackling and generally everything else bar a couple of goals and getting forward.


I dont think he was even average , you are being really nice there .


So whats Shorey up to , desperate for a LB

He just signed a new deal at Pompy IIRC
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 08, 2014, 07:24:15 PM
Sidwell is average but he's a cut above KEA . I'd have him back if his wages weren't too high and we could move KEA on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 09, 2014, 12:25:44 AM
Just seen a mention of Derby's Craig Bryson on Twitter. That and numerous links to Hoolahan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on June 09, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
Sidwell is on par with KEA. That is to say; hopeless.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2014, 07:29:21 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on June 09, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
Sidwell is on par with KEA. That is to say; hopeless.

It's pointless to discuss the merits of one over the other as they're both miles off being good enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on June 09, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
If we're going to sign a midfielder, it needs to be a DCM type to sit in and protect the back four, which would then give the likes of Delph a bit more freedom.  That's not Sidwell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 09, 2014, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 09, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
If we're going to sign a midfielder, it needs to be a DCM type to sit in and protect the back four, which would then give the likes of Delph a bit more freedom.  That's not Sidwell.
jores Okore retweeted  a few fans who were suggesting he should become out DCM anchor.
Maybe senderos is to partner vlaar with Jores taking up DCM?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
There is no interest in Sidwell viewed as ' toxic '
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on June 09, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
There is no interest in Sidwell viewed as ' toxic '

Ah, so one of 'that bunch' who were such trouble in the past, right?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 09:18:40 AM
Apparently yep
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on June 09, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 09, 2014, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 09, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
If we're going to sign a midfielder, it needs to be a DCM type to sit in and protect the back four, which would then give the likes of Delph a bit more freedom.  That's not Sidwell.
jores Okore retweeted  a few fans who were suggesting he should become out DCM anchor.
Maybe senderos is to partner vlaar with Jores taking up DCM?

I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is for Okore to play right back and switch inside, with Lowton or Bacuna taking his role, if Vlaar or Senderos are out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2014, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 09, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 09, 2014, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 09, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
If we're going to sign a midfielder, it needs to be a DCM type to sit in and protect the back four, which would then give the likes of Delph a bit more freedom.  That's not Sidwell.
jores Okore retweeted  a few fans who were suggesting he should become out DCM anchor.
Maybe senderos is to partner vlaar with Jores taking up DCM?

I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is for Okore to play right back and switch inside, with Lowton or Bacuna taking his role, if Vlaar or Senderos are out.
This is my thinking. I believe last season the plan was always for Lambert to ease Okore into the first team. Obviously he missed virtually the whole season, so that will probably be the plan again.
Of course pre-season could well change that thinking, but I suspect Vlaar and Senderos will be our initial partnership. Okore may well get a few games at Right back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2014, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
There is no interest in Sidwell viewed as ' toxic '

Do you know who there is interest in?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 10:46:31 AM
No just know there is no interest in Sidwell but a Midfield player has already been lined up and deal apparently agreed ? It could be Hoolihan he was Plan B but with the change from Lerner re spending he may well be Plan A NOW
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 09, 2014, 10:55:37 AM
Do you think there is any truth in the Barry rumours?

I'd imagine he'd command more wage than we'd be prepared to spend, still.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
Yes but doubt he will come as he is getting better offers . I personally would go down the route of a longer contract with coaching at the end of it
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
A lad I work with, from the East Mids, told me earlier he's heard Derby midfielder Craig Bryson is coming to Villa... don't much about him, other than he scores a few from midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
A lad I work with, from the East Mids, told me earlier he's heard Derby midfielder Craig Bryson is coming to Villa... don't much about him, other than he scores a few from midfield.
Their player of the year. Didn't see much of him against QPR in the playoff finals because he'd been injured so only came on as a sub. Derby certainly looked tidy with the ball so I'd imagine he can keep the ball. Might be worth a go. Wouldn't take much to improve on KEA and Sylla.
Alongside 1-2 experienced midfield signings, that might be a good deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2014, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
A lad I work with, from the East Mids, told me earlier he's heard Derby midfielder Craig Bryson is coming to Villa... don't much about him, other than he scores a few from midfield.

He's very small aswell, we need some physicality in that midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2014, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 09, 2014, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
A lad I work with, from the East Mids, told me earlier he's heard Derby midfielder Craig Bryson is coming to Villa... don't much about him, other than he scores a few from midfield.

He's very small aswell, we need some physicality in that midfield.

I think the plan is to circumvent this need by having Roy Keane on the sidelines glaring menacingly at any opposition that feel they can take liberties.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on June 09, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
Yes but doubt he will come as he is getting better offers . I personally would go down the route of a longer contract with coaching at the end of it

I would move heaven and earth to get him in, exactly the type of player and character we need at the moment.

We need a forward too of some description and if not Barry, a genuine holding midfielder that can compete. Oh and a left back!


Bryson was a rumour started by a forest fan on twitter to wind up a Derby fan who had done similar last night.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
A lad I work with, from the East Mids, told me earlier he's heard Derby midfielder Craig Bryson is coming to Villa... don't much about him, other than he scores a few from midfield.
Their player of the year. Didn't see much of him against QPR in the playoff finals because he'd been injured so only came on as a sub. Derby certainly looked tidy with the ball so I'd imagine he can keep the ball. Might be worth a go. Wouldn't take much to improve on KEA and Sylla.
Alongside 1-2 experienced midfield signings, that might be a good deal.

Yep, 16 goals and 16 assists and, as you say, Derby's Player of the Year. Saw his cameo in the final, looked bright enough. He's not particularly young - 27, I think - but could have something about him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
It's possible (as I don't have two sources to confirm it) that we talked to Colback, but he's off to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2014, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: Merv on June 09, 2014, 01:20:16 PM
A lad I work with, from the East Mids, told me earlier he's heard Derby midfielder Craig Bryson is coming to Villa... don't much about him, other than he scores a few from midfield.
Their player of the year. Didn't see much of him against QPR in the playoff finals because he'd been injured so only came on as a sub. Derby certainly looked tidy with the ball so I'd imagine he can keep the ball. Might be worth a go. Wouldn't take much to improve on KEA and Sylla.
Alongside 1-2 experienced midfield signings, that might be a good deal.

Yep, 16 goals and 16 assists and, as you say, Derby's Player of the Year. Saw his cameo in the final, looked bright enough. He's not particularly young - 27, I think - but could have something about him.
All I'll say regarding his goal record though, is that our old boy Pete Whitts had a brilliant goal record in the championship. He did okay last season for Cardiff, but didn't particularly stand out much. So Championship probably is Pete's level.
Who knows, Bryson might be able to manage the step up, but scoring goals in this league is a lot tougher. I'd imagine Derby would want a fairly good fee though. Still, if it's indeed twitter bollocks, it may be unlikely we'll see him here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 09, 2014, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
It's possible (as I don't have two sources to confirm it) that we talked to Colback, but he's off to Newcastle.
& Sidwell is off to Stoke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 09, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
We could do a lot worse than putting an offer in for Tom Huddlestone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2014, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 09, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
We could do a lot worse than putting an offer in for Tom Huddlestone.

A player I have always rated but we'd be buying him at the top end of his value.  Hull paid about £5m and they'd want a healthy profit so probably little change from £10m.  He's not worth that in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2014, 05:13:06 PM
The biggest problem with Huddlestone is that he played as many games last year as he had in the previous 3.  He looked good because he stayed fit but anything over 5-6m is a big gamble on a guy who's spent so long on the sidelines in the last 5-6 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on June 09, 2014, 05:52:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 09, 2014, 10:55:37 AM
Do you think there is any truth in the Barry rumours?

I'd imagine he'd command more wage than we'd be prepared to spend, still.

Can he play left back?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 09, 2014, 06:26:59 PM
I don't know. Takes penalties though. Important with Benteke out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 06:34:35 PM
Barry would be a fantastic signing but I can't see it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fasth56 on June 09, 2014, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 09, 2014, 06:26:59 PM
I don't know. Takes penalties though. Important with Benteke out.

You have to get the ball into the box to get a penalty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 09, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on June 09, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
Sidwell is on par with KEA. That is to say; hopeless.

is the correct answer
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2014, 06:54:34 PM
Bryson's a good player, I think he's better than Will Hughes and would cost a fair bit less.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 09, 2014, 07:34:27 PM
Joe Cole. He could be next in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 09, 2014, 07:36:49 PM
Glen Hoddle too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 09, 2014, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 09, 2014, 07:34:27 PM
Joe Cole. He could be next in.

He's a Redknapp signing for QPR if ever there was one. Four year contract, £100 k a week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 09, 2014, 07:38:49 PM
hopefully.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 09, 2014, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 09, 2014, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 09, 2014, 07:34:27 PM
Joe Cole. He could be next in.

He's a Redknapp signing for QPR if ever there was one. Four year contract, £100 k a week.
What ? Are QPR reigning the spending in a bit then ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on June 09, 2014, 08:20:22 PM
If we do sign Hoolahan at least we know he can score at the Holte End ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on June 09, 2014, 08:23:33 PM
Joe Cole 1/9 on Skybet to be a Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on June 09, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
Wow. I suppose that wouldn't be a terrible gamble.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on June 09, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
Cole on his own , might be worth a gamble..but add in Sendaros , rumours of Bendtner and Bent/Hutton now being considered to play and it's not  exactly inspiring stuff.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on June 09, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
If Cole signs then that might mean Norwich still haven't calmed down enough to sell Hotlips to Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr woo on June 09, 2014, 09:05:09 PM
Yeah, uninspiring is the word alright, but then again, if we are operating in the freebies market, you could argue you've improved the squad for sweet F.A.

Bendtner > Helenius?  Probably. Based on experience alone.

Pilkington > Albrighton? Possibly. Although I thought Marc was excellent when he came back in so time will tell.

Joe Cole > Wes Hoolahan? You'd have to say yes surely. Both a similar age don't forget, and Cole not only played more games last year but has a far more impressive career pedigree.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 09, 2014, 09:41:50 PM
Did Cole actually do anything of note last season?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: exigo on June 09, 2014, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.

Come on now, we're playing Football Manager 2004. Vįclav Drobnż is no longer with us, so it must be Mathieu Berson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.

2 more players in the right positions (holding midfielder and maybe a winger) and mid table could be achievable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on June 09, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.

2 more players in the right positions (holding midfielder and maybe a winger) and mid table could be achievable.

Maybe, if those 2 players are Yaya Toure and Arjen Robben.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: caster troy on June 09, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.

2 more players in the right positions (holding midfielder and maybe a winger) and mid table could be achievable.

Maybe, if those 2 players are Yaya Toure and Arjen Robben.


Really?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 09, 2014, 11:19:05 PM
Joe Cole has had a medical and will announce his 2 yr contract tomorrow !!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on June 09, 2014, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: caster troy on June 09, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.

2 more players in the right positions (holding midfielder and maybe a winger) and mid table could be achievable.

Maybe, if those 2 players are Yaya Toure and Arjen Robben.


Really?


Well if we only sign those 4 players we will still have a shocking squad. Who will our full backs be all season? Two strikers returning from bad long terms injuries plus a couple who managed what, 4 goals all season last year? I am also of the opinion that our manager is absolutely awful, which doesn't help.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 09, 2014, 09:41:50 PM
Did Cole actually do anything of note last season?!
Watched lots of high balls sail over his head in his defense. West Ham is the place where midfield technical ability goes to die.

That said, we're hardly the club to resuscitate it to be fair...unless there's a dramatic shift in our style of play (I hope). A signing like Cole might signal that.

Could he do much worse than Tonev, Sylla, KEA etc?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 09, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Yes he could do worse than those players. At 3 times the cost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 10, 2014, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 09, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Yes he could do worse than those players. At 3 times the cost.

reckon Tonev will do better for us next term than Cole.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2014, 12:00:14 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 09, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Yes he could do worse than those players. At 3 times the cost.

25K a week is the figure getting mentioned, how is that 3 times the cost?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 10, 2014, 12:17:49 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2014, 12:00:14 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 09, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Yes he could do worse than those players. At 3 times the cost.

25K a week is the figure getting mentioned, how is that 3 times the cost?
If that is the figure then it's certainly worth a punt. We're shopping at Poundworld at the moment, so it's as good as we'll get. It'll likely be Coles last stab at the Premiership, so hopefully he'll grab the chance and surprise people. A quality player on his day. At 32 he shouldn't done and dusted at this level just yet.
In terms of playing style, Grealish has some similarities. Great dribbler, great close control, plays with composure and confidence. Perhaps Joe can teach him a few things, take him under his wing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 10, 2014, 12:31:37 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2014, 12:00:14 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 09, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Yes he could do worse than those players. At 3 times the cost.

25K a week is the figure getting mentioned, how is that 3 times the cost?

That wasn't the figure I was basing "3 times the cost" on. I haveun't seen any wages mentioned. But 30k would be around 3 times the wage of Sylla and Tonev.

Edit - Individually.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2014, 01:03:15 AM
I expect he'll be coming in to add some experience and PL intelligence and savvy so to speak. I don't expect him to start so I still hope and pray the club has the 4 or 5 players of proper quality lined up in addition to shipping some out. It would be suicide to go with only players of this ilk so not for one second do I think this is how we will find ourselves come the end of the window. Like Senderos, Cole adds depth. Just my opinion but there is no point getting so worked up over it unless this is all it is, and we won't know that for sure until the end.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2014, 01:17:52 AM
At the moment, he probably will be starting. That's a pretty bad indictment of where this squad is. I hope we're taken over soon and can bring players that make Cole just squad fluff. But if that doesn't happen, I think Cole is the sort of player we can expect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2014, 05:54:02 AM
so he's this season's Grant Holt? Experienced wise old owl, mentoring the youngsters etc?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2014, 08:10:33 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2014, 05:54:02 AM
so he's this season's Grant Holt? Experienced wise old owl, mentoring the youngsters etc?

If Cole can help bring Grealish along, then it'll be money well spent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on June 10, 2014, 09:51:19 AM
I'm hoping that Tonev and KEA will be moved on over the Summer.  Neither are good enough IMO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
I hope I never have to see KEA's impression of a deer running through thick mud again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 

Just wait until the Bendtner rumours start gathering pace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 

Just wait until the Bendtner rumours start gathering pace.

Danish international, upgrade on Helenius...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2014, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 10, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 

Just wait until the Bendtner rumours start gathering pace.

Danish international, upgrade on Helenius...

How do we know? We haven't seen enough of Helenius
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 09, 2014, 09:41:50 PM
Did Cole actually do anything of note last season?!
Watched lots of high balls sail over his head in his defense. West Ham is the place where midfield technical ability goes to die.

What happened when he played at Liverpool under the tiki-taki master Rodgers?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 10, 2014, 10:58:29 AM
Bowery has left the club!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 10, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 

Just wait until the Bendtner rumours start gathering pace.

Danish international, upgrade on Helenius...

Can't be that bad, he used to play for Arsenal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 09, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
Ashley Young back would be good.

2 more players in the right positions (holding midfielder and maybe a winger) and mid table could be achievable.

By us?

Unless the two players are of an incredibly high quality, you're miles off, I think.

This squad needed a significant player investment, as in four or five who are better than the starters we have. Better than the shite in the squad alone is not going to be anything like enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 10, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 

Just wait until the Bendtner rumours start gathering pace.

Danish international, upgrade on Helenius...

Can't be that bad, he used to play for Arsenal.

That kind of positive spin is up there with the "we're about to capture a Champions League winning midfielder" prior to announcing the loan signing of Ryan Bertrand!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 10, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 10, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
Ah, close season.  Where Tonev looked 'direct and exciting' and Joe Cole will be the 'new Paul Merson'. 

Just wait until the Bendtner rumours start gathering pace.

Danish international, upgrade on Helenius...

Can't be that bad, he used to play for Arsenal.

That kind of positive spin is up there with the "we're about to capture a Champions League winning midfielder" prior to announcing the loan signing of Ryan Bertrand!

I know, I'm just rolling out the excuses in advance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 10, 2014, 10:58:29 AM
Bowery has left the club!

Well you can't say we weren't due some good news. As they say "the night is always darkest just before the dawn."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:04:17 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
I know, I'm just rolling out the excuses in advance.

Unfortunately though, Bendtner probably would improve us at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fuse on June 10, 2014, 11:07:15 AM
I am shicked that Bowery has gone. Not becuase  i think he was going to be a world beater but his shwing against Hull showed potential. Are we that skint we had to get him out to bring Cole in?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: Fuse on June 10, 2014, 11:07:15 AM
I am shicked that Bowery has gone. Not becuase  i think he was going to be a world beater but his shwing against Hull showed potential. Are we that skint we had to get him out to bring Cole in?

No, but we need to free up some wages before signing Bendtner as his replacement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: Fuse on June 10, 2014, 11:07:15 AM
I am shicked that Bowery has gone. Not becuase  i think he was going to be a world beater but his shwing against Hull showed potential. Are we that skint we had to get him out to bring Cole in?

No, but we need to free up some wages before signing Bendtner as his replacement.

Squad numbers are more important, you can only register 25 players over 21 so we need people to go out so we can bring in replacements, we were running with an announced squad of 25, of which only 3 could've been left off and used as U21 players (Gardner, Okore and Steer).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2014, 11:29:56 AM
Quote from: paul_e on June 10, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
Squad numbers are more important, you can only register 25 players over 21 so we need people to go out so we can bring in replacements, we were running with an announced squad of 25, of which only 3 could've been left off and used as U21 players (Gardner, Okore and Steer).

This is a good point and I also think the emergence of Callum Robinson will have prompted Bowery's departure as much as anything.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2014, 01:43:58 PM
Cole will play through the middle, not on the left. He only became a left sided midfielder when Chelsea tried to accommodate him because they had too many other central midfielders. Not a bad signing if he can discover what he seems to have lost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 10, 2014, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: Fuse on June 10, 2014, 11:07:15 AM
I am shicked that Bowery has gone. Not becuase  i think he was going to be a world beater but his shwing against Hull showed potential. Are we that skint we had to get him out to bring Cole in?
Not so much those two examples, but I'd guess we're effectively on a one out one in system, give or take. Of course we've lost Ireland (60k?) in Jan, Albrighton (20k?) Fonzie (20k?) and Bowery (5-10k???) this summer.
We've bought in Senderos and Cole, it seems for about 50k combined, so I think we've probably still go enough room to bring in another experienced freebie before we sell off any more.

I'm guess in terms of the bomb squad, nothing has changed in terms of their transfer status. Zog, Bent, Hutton, Given etc will leave if we get an offer. I think the difference is, if they don't get a move, that we'll use them this season.

Also add in Helenius, Herd, Sylla, Lowton and one (or both) of Bennett and Luna, who could well get sold on if the right offer comes in.

I think we'll see a fair amount of movement each way. More so outgoing because we have so much dead wood.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richardhubbard on June 10, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
Can we get Lampard for six months before goes to MLS?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 10, 2014, 01:53:53 PM
Quote from: richardhubbard on June 10, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
Can we get Lampard for six months before goes to MLS?
No harm in asking, though I suspect Redknapp will be on the blower to Fwank, offering him a triffic deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ashkar on June 10, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
two more signings
defensive midfield and left back. Not much money will be spent. Freebiesm loan signings or part exchange.

A lot of exits now. Herd, Helenius or Bent, Bennett or Luna, Sylla, Nzogbia (maybe), Given
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2014, 03:35:12 PM
Did given and keane get along?  As right now given is still a coach correct?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: prmort on June 10, 2014, 04:05:03 PM
Terry Butcher...new defensive coach...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 10, 2014, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: ashkar on June 10, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
two more signings
defensive midfield and left back. Not much money will be spent. Freebiesm loan signings or part exchange.

A lot of exits now. Herd, Helenius or Bent, Bennett or Luna, Sylla, Nzogbia (maybe), Given


N'Zogbia NO! One of the few players who can beat a defender - hopefully Lambert can get the best out of him. I'd still keep Bent - he'll score if you 'create' enough chances for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
yes Cole , Ngozbia , Bent and Benteke , I would like to see in the team when and If fit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on June 10, 2014, 06:34:34 PM
Hull offer Lescott a deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 10, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
gutted about Bowery. I always thought he'd be the next Gianluca Vialli
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner, Bent.

Sold or on loan: Helenius, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Sylla.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on June 10, 2014, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner.
No room for Bent and Bennett?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Ian J on June 10, 2014, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner.
No room for Bent and Bennett?
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner, Bent.

Sold or on loan: Helenius, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Sylla.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2014, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.
Depending on who the TBCs are, that first eleven looks reasonable enough if a little uninspiring.  Subs bench is a pit of hell though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on June 10, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
That's better Palcomben. ;)

I agree though your bench looks very worrying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: Ian J on June 10, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
That's better Palcomben. ;)

I agree though your bench looks very worrying.

Thanks. If it really were my bench, the last 4 seasons would have been very different. That's right, we would have had to build a team around Salifou. :-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
We do really need a better striker than Agbonlahor for the opening game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
We do really need a better striker than Agbonlahor for the opening game.

Meaning that he will be just fine for the other 37, or...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2014, 09:20:32 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
We do really need a better striker than Agbonlahor for the opening game.

Meaning that he will be just fine for the other 37, or...
Gabby probably won't have another good 37 games for the rest of his career.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 10, 2014, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner, Bent.

Sold or on loan: Helenius, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Sylla.

That is an appalling first team squad.

Im assuming Nzogbia will be fit by August and an option as a starter. Would prefer him over Joe Cole. Kozak broke his leg in Jan so I'm expecting he will be back fit also in time for next season.

As others have said, can see Okore starting the season at right back.

You are missing the amazing Alexander Tonev from that list.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2014, 11:57:15 PM
Anyone think he could still go for Lescott and play him left back? Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Lescott as a back 4.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2014, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
We do really need a better striker than Agbonlahor for the opening game.

Michael Owen has practically begged Villa to sign him tonight on Twitter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on June 10, 2014, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 10, 2014, 11:57:15 PM
Anyone think he could still go for Lescott and play him left back? Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Lescott as a back 4.
There's a punchline in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on June 11, 2014, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on June 10, 2014, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner, Bent.

Sold or on loan: Helenius, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Sylla.

That is an appalling first team squad.

Im assuming Nzogbia will be fit by August and an option as a starter. Would prefer him over Joe Cole. Kozak broke his leg in Jan so I'm expecting he will be back fit also in time for next season.

As others have said, can see Okore starting the season at right back.

You are missing the amazing Alexander Tonev from that list.

I did include Tonev, but the text missed the page.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on June 10, 2014, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on June 10, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
New predictions for the opening match line up?

Guzan-Bacuna, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, TBC-Westwood, Delph, Cole-Weimann, Agbonlahor.

Subs: Steer, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Grealish, TBC, Robinson.

Injured: Benteke, Kozak. Not selected: Given, Nzogbia, Hutton, Carruthers, Gardner, Bent.

Sold or on loan: Helenius, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Sylla.

That is an appalling first team squad.


I agree, nothing like strong enough, unless the TBCs are significantly better than the players they are replacing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 11, 2014, 11:49:09 AM
I don't think it's that bad really, with everyone fit. I think if we signed a very good defensive midfielder (which we still definately need) and ideally a better left back, the squad as a whole would be comfortably Premier League standard, with a bit of luck into mid table.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
Agreed Clark. And spearheaded by Bendtner what can go wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on June 11, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
I'm willing to bet Hutton, Bent and Nzogbia will be included in match squads next season, two out of the 3 at least.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2014, 11:59:42 AM
The lack of goals in that team is terrifying!! There won't be many weaker starting XIs than that on the opening day, if any.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 11, 2014, 11:49:09 AM
I don't think it's that bad really, with everyone fit. I think if we signed a very good defensive midfielder (which we still definately need) and ideally a better left back, the squad as a whole would be comfortably Premier League standard, with a bit of luck into mid table.

The thing is, we won't have everyone fit during the season, nobody does.

We need three or four players who are better than those we have. At least. Adding more third choices and largely ignoring the starting spots is the mistake we made last summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 12:36:44 PM
Sadly though, if playing 3-5-2 Senderos will be a first choice, as will Cole.

We need a left back, holding midfielder that are first choice, and a striker that will be better than Gabby and Weimann. Sadly that all has to be done with freebies it would seem. Barry, Bentdner and Riise is is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 11, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
We do realise there is eleven weeks till the transfer deadline!!

I'm sure there will be a large turnaround of players with a number who proved they weren't up to it last year departing and several arriving.

Personally I would like to see another centre half with pace, 2 full backs as I don't think we have one who is good enough, a defensive central midfielder and a striker to replace Bowery/Helenius with pace not another lump like Holt. 

Any of Sylla, Bennett, Lowton, Luna, Clark or Helenius can be replaced in the free / loan market without weakening the squad & Baker needs to be sold for his own good as he will make a perfectly fine Championship centre half but being the scapegoat here will ruin him.

Bent / Hutton & Given is the interesting one - stick or twist?

Hopefully our players will be physically fitter this year, the Lowton's / Weimman's didn't seem fit all season.

I always think we set up to accommodate Gabby, he isn't a 'marquee' player by any stretch, he needs to knuckle down and find some consistency because 3/4/5 good games a season is a pretty pathetic return on the investment the club put into him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 11, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
I always think we set up to accommodate Gabby, he isn't a 'marquee' player by any stretch, he needs to knuckle down and find some consistency because 3/4/5 good games a season is a pretty pathetic return on the investment the club put into him.

This.

To be honest, although I'm not his biggest critic, I'd sell him. He's starting to look like the poster boy for overpaid acceptance of mediocrity, he doesn't deliver anywhere near enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2014, 01:03:58 PM
I find that Gabby reacts well to the situation. If the side/club is doing well and things are positive then Gabby's play and overall performances reflect that. You put him in the right situation he'll be beneficial. Just don't expect him to be the catalyst for any revival or be a leader because it's not who he is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 11, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
Gabby seems to me he's lost his love for the game. It all seems one big chore now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2014, 01:31:33 PM
I've been a Gabby fan, but I'd be inclined to let his contract run down rather than feel obliged to offer him another deal.  That hunger to prove a point (whether to get a deal at Villa or elsewhere) might be what is missing and certainly enough to keep us up.  By which time hopefully we'll have a new owner so offering a new deal (if deserved) or buying a replacement is less of an issue.

In summary, divert some of the gabby cash to delph to ensure he signs and let Gabby stew for the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on June 11, 2014, 01:58:30 PM
I hope we don't sign a forward, I want Weimann to be given a chance up top as the few times he has played there he's scored and looked quite dangerous...much more so than out wide tracking back 70% of the game. I can't see there being any harm in giving him the first handful of games until Benteke and Kozack are back up and running.

I would rather us concentrate on the men around him supplying the bullets, Cole might do well the odd game but I think we're crying out for a ball dribbler with a final ball...something we don't have at all.

No one say N'Zog or Gabby...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on June 11, 2014, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 11, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
Gabby seems to me he's lost his love for the game. It all seems one big chore now.
Is it me or when the going get's tough he shrugs his shoulders and puts out a gormless smile when he's looking for a foul. I don't see the fight in him any more during the Harewood days when he played with Young and Carew.

It's your club Gab, show me something man.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
His finishing was woeful when he rarely got chances last season. Cardiff away springs to mind.. A pacey option now Bowery is gone is a bit of a must really.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2014, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
His finishing was woeful when he rarely got chances last season. Cardiff away springs to mind.. A pacey option now Bowery is gone is a bit of a must really.
Robinson may make the step up. If he has a good pre-season and stands out, Lambert may save a bit of cash.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: usav on June 11, 2014, 02:50:10 PM
Gabby's biggest attribute was pace which is becoming less effective as he gets older.   The other parts of his game aren't good enough to compensate for that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
Gabby showed at Anfield last season what a difference he can make to us when on form, the problem is we're lucky if we see that Gabby half a dozen times a season now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 11, 2014, 03:27:56 PM

I think you're being massively over generous to Gabby by saying he can do that six times a season. Once, twice tops
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2014, 03:37:50 PM
That's why I said if we're lucky. Which sadly we aren't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2014, 07:00:38 PM
Gabby needs to shed some weight to be honest. He was looking a tad rubenesque last season, and probably for a couple of years. In addition his general fitness isn't what it used to be either. Gabby is still quick but something has certainly changed in the last year in the amount of surging runs he'll go on. It's far less frequent. I'm not sure that's purely psychological, but I think it's related to his niggles and also his overall stamina.

Pace players suffer from injuries a lot generally, particularly once they get into their late 20's, and whether Gab is going to be capable of being back to his best again is debatable, but for a start, he should shed half-to a full-stone. It would help him. His biggest asset is running.

The weight thing is something that Weimann needs to look at too. Particularly as Lambert seems intent on playing him week in, week out, for the entirety of every game, despite him clearly not being a 90 minute player. He needs to shed a bit of weight and pick up a yard or two of pace, as well as some added stamina.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:07:48 PM
Lescott apparently going to Hull on a free.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:10:37 PM
And they are in talks with Tom Ince, too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2014, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:07:48 PM
Lescott apparently going to Hull on a free.
Wonder how much they're paying him. They're probably paying a fair wedge for Huddlestone, but I don't think they'll be offering huge wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2014, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:07:48 PM
Lescott apparently going to Hull on a free.
Wonder how much they're paying him. They're probably paying a fair wedge for Huddlestone, but I don't think they'll be offering huge wages.

They're showing ambition. Their owner doesn't strike me as the type to take financial risks, either.

Still, we've always got Big Phil.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
Truly baffling if Hull get him and Ince. Both should be ours. And Barry of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
Truly baffling if Hull get him and Ince. Both should be ours. And Barry of course.

I wonder if we could hazard a guess at why they won't be ours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 11, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
Truly baffling if Hull get him and Ince. Both should be ours. And Barry of course.

I wonder if we could hazard a guess at why they won't be ours.

It's a tough one to be sure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 11, 2014, 08:10:25 PM
Thing about gabby which annoys me most is he can do the business. He has it all in his locker. See saints away last year, good run good finish, jobs a good un.
He just don't look interested 90% of the time though.
Too much money too soon and unprofessional ? No drive once he had £1-2m in the bank? Who knows but he's wasting his career
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2014, 08:10:53 PM
Little Hull showing a bit of ambition while we scratch around in the bargain basement.
Come on Villa show a bit of ambition and shift some season tickets.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on June 11, 2014, 08:34:42 PM
Lescott would be good but I don't see what all the fuss is about over Ince. If his dad wasn't the Guvnor, he would get half the publicity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 11, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on June 11, 2014, 08:34:42 PM
Lescott would be good but I don't see what all the fuss is about over Ince. If his dad wasn't the Guvnor, he would get half the publicity.

He did naff all at Palace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 11, 2014, 08:56:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
Truly baffling if Hull get him and Ince. Both should be ours. And Barry of course.

We can't compete with the Hulls of this world.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on June 11, 2014, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 11, 2014, 08:56:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
Truly baffling if Hull get him and Ince. Both should be ours. And Barry of course.

We can't compete with the Hulls of this world.

And that's the sad truth under Lerner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on June 11, 2014, 09:12:43 PM
We've been put up for sale. Were shopping in The 99p Shop not Poundland.
Understand that and the signings dont appear too bad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on June 11, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
  Fuck off, if Ince was that good why is he even looking at Hull.  He made a huge impact last season, didn't he?  That's why all these massive clubs are fighting tooth and nail to get his autograph.  We are in the shit, there is no denying it.  Unless a sale happens by the end of July we are probably going to be in a proper relegation battle.  However shitting myself over missing out on the signings of massive stars such as Tom Ince isn't what will give me nightmares.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on June 11, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
  Fuck off, if Ince was that good why is he even looking at Hull.  He made a huge impact last season, didn't he?  That's why all these massive clubs are fighting tooth and nail to get his autograph.  We are in the shit, there is no denying it.  Unless a sale happens by the end of July we are probably going to be in a proper relegation battle.  However shitting myself over missing out on the signings of massive stars such as Tom Ince isn't what will give me nightmares.

I don't get where people are so convinced we'll be doomed this coming year. After all, we weren't actually close to being relegated last year – and that was with the awful run-in.

We do have some decent young players, and we all knew they needed to play alongside some experience – well, that seems to be happening. We've got plenty to come back from injury too. I'm not saying it's going to be rosy, but I don't see any reason why we can't actually build (a little) on last year. At least we have a chance of that now we've had a manager coming into his third season for the first time in ages  :P

Stability is surely the only way to get anywhere on a budget.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2014, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 09, 2014, 09:41:50 PM
Did Cole actually do anything of note last season?!
Watched lots of high balls sail over his head in his defense. West Ham is the place where midfield technical ability goes to die.

That said, we're hardly the club to resuscitate it to be fair...unless there's a dramatic shift in our style of play (I hope). A signing like Cole might signal that.

Could he do much worse than Tonev, Sylla, KEA etc?

Well if he can't cut it at the Academy of Football than he's got no chance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on June 11, 2014, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: Rolta on June 11, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
  Fuck off, if Ince was that good why is he even looking at Hull.  He made a huge impact last season, didn't he?  That's why all these massive clubs are fighting tooth and nail to get his autograph.  We are in the shit, there is no denying it.  Unless a sale happens by the end of July we are probably going to be in a proper relegation battle.  However shitting myself over missing out on the signings of massive stars such as Tom Ince isn't what will give me nightmares.

I don't get where people are so convinced we'll be doomed this coming year. After all, we weren't actually close to being relegated last year – and that was with the awful run-in.

We do have some decent young players, and we all knew they needed to play alongside some experience – well, that seems to be happening. We've got plenty to come back from injury too. I'm not saying it's going to be rosy, but I don't see any reason why we can't actually build (a little) on last year. At least we have a chance of that now we've had a manager coming into his third season for the first time in ages  :P

Stability is surely the only way to get anywhere on a budget.



Totally agree. All will be fine...45 points is our goal next season. 38 games, 12 wins,9 draws.

Get those season tickets renewed folks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Keeping players fit will be the key, I would say. The dreadful run towards the end of the season makes us forget that for most of it we were havering around the middle. Surely we can't be as unlucky with long term injuries again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2014, 09:45:46 PM
Why not? We have been for around 4 seasons or so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
Maybe because last season was proof of how shit you actually have to be to get relegated. For many, last season was the worst squad, manager, style etc in memory. Yet we still had enough points after 28 games to stay up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: Rolta on June 11, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
  Fuck off, if Ince was that good why is he even looking at Hull.  He made a huge impact last season, didn't he?  That's why all these massive clubs are fighting tooth and nail to get his autograph.  We are in the shit, there is no denying it.  Unless a sale happens by the end of July we are probably going to be in a proper relegation battle.  However shitting myself over missing out on the signings of massive stars such as Tom Ince isn't what will give me nightmares.

I don't get where people are so convinced we'll be doomed this coming year. After all, we weren't actually close to being relegated last year – and that was with the awful run-in.

I guess that's a judgement that depends on how happy you are to be finishing 15th in the league. That's a lot closer to relegation than we'd like to be, even with our new down-scaled expectations.

As for stability, I think we have got all the stablity Lerner cares about - 16th, 15th, 15th over three years. Still in the top flight, no threat whatsoever of doing anything else, but that doesn't really matter, the club's up for sale (new catch-all excuse for the total lack of ambition).

The sooner these people sell up and move on, the better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 10:28:14 PM
Incidentally, "we weren't actually close to being relegated last year" - we achieved mathematical safety with two games left before the end of the season.

That's pretty close to it, really. Certainly closer than anyone will have enjoyed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on June 11, 2014, 10:34:01 PM
Did anyone see the photo the club's PR Dept put up on Facebook yesterday (or was it the day before)? Said picture was of Joe Cole playing for England with silhouettes of the Premier League trophy, FA Cup and League Cup below him, indicating the honours he has won?  It was just so incredibly small-time.  If a Division Three club came up with that kind of thing you could understand it, but Villa?! 

EDIT: Sorry, this post should probably go in the Joe Cole thread, but, thinking about it, it might be just as relevant here as it indicates how the club and marketing people are approaching  transfers this year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on June 11, 2014, 10:34:01 PM
Did anyone see the photo the club's PR Dept put up on Facebook yesterday (or was it the day before)? Said picture was of Joe Cole playing for England with silhouettes of the Premier League trophy, FA Cup and League Cup below him, indicating the honours he has won?  It was just so incredibly small-time.  If a Division Three club came up with that kind of thing you could understand it, but Villa?! 

EDIT: Sorry, this post should probably go in the Joe Cole thread, but, thinking about it, it might be just as relevant here as it indicates how the club and marketing people are approaching  transfers this year.

Agreed. How small time. Still, the longer we spend bobbing around the arse end of the table, the worse this will get. I suspect that's our mindset now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 11, 2014, 11:26:17 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 11, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
Gabby seems to me he's lost his love for the game. It all seems one big chore now.

A shitter version of Rooney if you will.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
For Gabby, I wonder if the general malaise at the club is the key to it.  We, as fans, have all been a bit battered by events from the last 4 years, in general nothing has gone our way.  Gabby is a fan as well, I wonder if he's struggling with the same apathy but amplified by the knowledge that he should be able to do something about it but all too often it hasn't worked out for him.  as has been said already, when he's "on it" he can look a top player (Liverpool has been mentioned but he also tore Arsenal to bits on the opening day last year) as soon as things start to go against us he just doesn't seem to have the mental strength to pull a performance from nothing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on June 11, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on June 11, 2014, 10:34:01 PM
Did anyone see the photo the club's PR Dept put up on Facebook yesterday (or was it the day before)? Said picture was of Joe Cole playing for England with silhouettes of the Premier League trophy, FA Cup and League Cup below him, indicating the honours he has won?  It was just so incredibly small-time.  If a Division Three club came up with that kind of thing you could understand it, but Villa?! 

EDIT: Sorry, this post should probably go in the Joe Cole thread, but, thinking about it, it might be just as relevant here as it indicates how the club and marketing people are approaching  transfers this year.

Agreed. How small time. Still, the longer we spend bobbing around the arse end of the table, the worse this will get. I suspect that's our mindset now.

It is, alas Paulie, a mindset that has filtered right the way down from the very top to permeate every single department of the club.  This type of thing really does remind me of mid-eighties Villa.
I looked at that marketing department photo of Joe Cole and his honours and it just made me wish we had a rich Russian running the club.  I'm sure that was not our media people's intention!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2014, 11:47:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 11, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
For Gabby, I wonder if the general malaise at the club is the key to it.  We, as fans, have all been a bit battered by events from the last 4 years, in general nothing has gone our way.  Gabby is a fan as well, I wonder if he's struggling with the same apathy but amplified by the knowledge that he should be able to do something about it but all too often it hasn't worked out for him. 

He doesn't play like a fan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2014, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 11, 2014, 11:47:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 11, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
For Gabby, I wonder if the general malaise at the club is the key to it.  We, as fans, have all been a bit battered by events from the last 4 years, in general nothing has gone our way.  Gabby is a fan as well, I wonder if he's struggling with the same apathy but amplified by the knowledge that he should be able to do something about it but all too often it hasn't worked out for him. 

He doesn't play like a fan.

What does that even mean?  He is a fan, that's 100% undeniable so yes he does play like a fan because that's what he is, he doesn't run himself into the ground (which is what I suspect you mean) because that's just not his game.  His game should be to wander across the line and look for chances to use his pace in behind.  That's exactly what he did when he got into the side but since then he's had mon try to rturn him into a target man, Houllier and McLeish try to make him a winger and Lambert trying to either carry that on or make him a 10.  it's been about 5 1/2 years (about the time we obught Heskey) since he was given a prolonged run in a role where he was looking to break in behind with his pace.  There are comments that his pace hasn't been so effective as he's got older, that's largely because he's breaking from the wrong areas now, defenders usually have a 3-4 yard headstart on him, that he often either gets there or at least forces a panicked clearance is testament to the fact that he's still fast as fuck.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2014, 07:42:07 AM
Quote from: paul_e on June 11, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
For Gabby, I wonder if the general malaise at the club is the key to it.  We, as fans, have all been a bit battered by events from the last 4 years, in general nothing has gone our way.  Gabby is a fan as well, I wonder if he's struggling with the same apathy but amplified by the knowledge that he should be able to do something about it but all too often it hasn't worked out for him.  as has been said already, when he's "on it" he can look a top player (Liverpool has been mentioned but he also tore Arsenal to bits on the opening day last year) as soon as things start to go against us he just doesn't seem to have the mental strength to pull a performance from nothing.
fact is, he probably should have moved on to get more experience and a better class of football. The last four years have not exactly honed the skills he has.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2014, 07:58:58 AM
But that's missing the point. If you are not playing your best position who will you 'move on'? If ytou put him at right-back should we have expected him to 'move on'. Playing left-wing/midfield is exactly the same. Plau the quality of players around him has dropped off so again, moving on just isn't as simple as you make it sound.

Given Cole coming in is someone who can make a pass we should be looking at a front two of Benteke and Gabby and getting in behind them as often as possible. Then, someone who is a fast as anything forward will be able to conserve his energy for when it's needed and not be left to be running up and down the line. As we lacked any creativity last season the only thing that we tried to use was Gabby's pace. Defenders, as pointed out, only need to drop off a yard or two, whether full-back or central-defenders and his pace is largely negated. Once opposition teams do that then they've cut off our one source of creativity.

Clearly Gabby wasn't at his best last -season but when he was scoring and playing well for us from Xmas teh season before, a lot of his goals and work came throught he middle. That's his position and give him a fair run at it and I'm confident we'll get a return from him. For me, I'd keep him as he is still one our better players when we play to his strengths rather than asking a stallion to carry kids up and down Scarborough beach.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on June 12, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
Gabby and Weimann competing for 1 place should push them to hopefully perform better, likewise Cole and N'Zogbia competing for the creative role behind the top 2.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2014, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on June 12, 2014, 09:51:18 AM
Gabby and Weimann competing for 1 place should push them to hopefully perform better, likewise Cole and N'Zogbia competing for the creative role behind the top 2.

I don't think it is something I'd accuse Weimann of, he's too young to be getting over complacent, but Gabby last season just looked like it was all a bit of a joke to him, didn't seem to show the hunger.

He can definitely do it when he is up for it though - although that's something that has been the case throughout his career, with his record of scoring against the "bigger" clubs. The difference is that a few years ago, he also looked up for it in the other matches too, whereas last season, and the one before, he didn't.

It's a shame, if he were really fired up, he's the sort of player who could have pulled the youngsters up with him, but it just didn't happen.

Maybe with him having been here so long, a change of scenery would do him good. If he's not going to get moved on, though, he's one player who really needs a fire to be lit under his backside.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on June 12, 2014, 10:44:05 AM
Gabby plays exactly like a fan. A fan who's been at the half time pies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
It seemed like Gabby was coasting towards a new deal. That's been put on the back burners now. I think he's really got to come out and pull up some fookin trees this season. If he wants to finish his career at Villa, this next season is absolutely vital. It's last chance saloon for him. I really hope he finds some consistency.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
I actually think Gabby's hunger would return if he was just stuck on the bench at the start of the season. He'd soon start putting in a shift to get back in the side. I don't think we're any where near good enough to be flippantly talking about letting players of his ilk run their contracts down at this stage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2014, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
I actually think Gabby's hunger would return if he was just stuck on the bench at the start of the season. He'd soon start putting in a shift to get back in the side. I don't think we're any where near good enough to be flippantly talking about letting players of his ilk run their contracts down at this stage.
I think so too. He's had it too easy for years. Only Houllier decided Gabby wasn't inked into the starting 11. Plus, he could well be good as an impact player coming on against tired defences.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on June 12, 2014, 11:29:11 AM
Cole, Bent, Kozak and N'Zogbia ought to give Andi and Gabby more competition for their places next season than Holt, Helenius, Tonev and Bowery did last term.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2014, 12:03:05 PM
I'd love to know what happened with Helenius.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2014, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2014, 12:03:05 PM
I'd love to know what happened with Helenius.

It's a Mathieu Berson level mystery. So highly thought of, so much potential, looked decent in the cup game where he scored, pretty much never seen again. It's all well and good a manager having biases, but not when it becomes a grudge to the detriment of the team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2014, 12:20:05 PM
Even given our past form for pretending players don't exist if the manager doesn't like them, I find the Helenius thing very weird.

Maybe it's a personal, off pitch problem he's had?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 12, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Just thinking of Agbonlahor being on the bench and the rapturous reception from the fans when he comes on annoys me. It's Agbonlahor, not Messi FFS.

Anyway, I think he should leave. Never going to improve here now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on June 12, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
Nah let's make sure nobody gets a rapturous welcome. Let's boo the claret and blue bastards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2014, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2014, 12:20:05 PM
Even given our past form for pretending players don't exist if the manager doesn't like them, I find the Helenius thing very weird.

Maybe it's a personal, off pitch problem he's had?

It is madness. He looked strong in pre-season too. Should have been played a lot more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 12, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 12, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Just thinking of Agbonlahor being on the bench and the rapturous reception from the fans when he comes on annoys me. It's Agbonlahor, not Messi FFS.

Anyway, I think he should leave. Never going to improve here now.

And yet he remains one of our better players. Until or if we can replace him with better then he needs to stay.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2014, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: Rolta on June 11, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
I don't get where people are so convinced we'll be doomed this coming year. After all, we weren't actually close to being relegated last year – and that was with the awful run-in.
No you are right. We have been unassailable last 3 seasons with 38,41 and 38 points. I would obviously love a proper last day relegation fight!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on June 12, 2014, 02:42:12 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 12, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 12, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Just thinking of Agbonlahor being on the bench and the rapturous reception from the fans when he comes on annoys me. It's Agbonlahor, not Messi FFS.

Anyway, I think he should leave. Never going to improve here now.

And yet he remains one of our better players. Until or if we can replace him with better then he needs to stay.

Quite, he's dipped markedly over the last few years, but the club has dipped even more alarmingly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 12, 2014, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: brian green on June 12, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
Nah let's make sure nobody gets a rapturous welcome. Let's boo the claret and blue bastards.

His form doesn't merit that kind of reaction.

It's quite embarrassing actually. I don't know why a lot of our fans (not necessarily those on here) think Agbonlahor is gonna be our saviour.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2014, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 11, 2014, 11:47:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 11, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
For Gabby, I wonder if the general malaise at the club is the key to it.  We, as fans, have all been a bit battered by events from the last 4 years, in general nothing has gone our way.  Gabby is a fan as well, I wonder if he's struggling with the same apathy but amplified by the knowledge that he should be able to do something about it but all too often it hasn't worked out for him. 

He doesn't play like a fan.

What does that even mean?  He is a fan, that's 100% undeniable so yes he does play like a fan because that's what he is, he doesn't run himself into the ground (which is what I suspect you mean) because that's just not his game.  His game should be to wander across the line and look for chances to use his pace in behind.  That's exactly what he did when he got into the side but since then he's had mon try to rturn him into a target man, Houllier and McLeish try to make him a winger and Lambert trying to either carry that on or make him a 10.  it's been about 5 1/2 years (about the time we obught Heskey) since he was given a prolonged run in a role where he was looking to break in behind with his pace.  There are comments that his pace hasn't been so effective as he's got older, that's largely because he's breaking from the wrong areas now, defenders usually have a 3-4 yard headstart on him, that he often either gets there or at least forces a panicked clearance is testament to the fact that he's still fast as fuck.

He was never particularly into watching football as a kid, but if he had a team, it was Arsenal.

After scoring the equaliser against Everton at home in O'Neill's first season, Central News were interviewing him and said "It must have been great, scoring at the Holte End where you cheered the team as a boy."

Gabby:  "No.   I never went to games."

That side of things doesn't particularly bother me. If he was doing it on the pitch, I wouldn't care if he was tattoo'd and bollock-chained up like Robert Hopkins.

But Gabby has trotted through the last few seasons. 

I'm not sure I'd be at the point of selling him, but he shouldn't be a guaranteed pick.  And if dropping him meant that he spat his dummy and demanded a move, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on June 12, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2014, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2014, 12:03:05 PM
I'd love to know what happened with Helenius.

It's a Mathieu Berson level mystery. So highly thought of, so much potential, looked decent in the cup game where he scored, pretty much never seen again. It's all well and good a manager having biases, but not when it becomes a grudge to the detriment of the team.

I don't think there's much mystery. Lambert clearly thought he wasn't yet ready after his cameos in the first few weeks of the season. He picked-up an injury mid-season which probably ruled-out any loan move and once he came back with Kozak and Benteke both being crocked I guess he was a kind of back-up even if Lambert didn't have any great intention of blooding him too much (hence the Holt signing).

He should really go out on loan as soon as the new season kicks off to be honest so we can see what he's made of.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 12, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
It's a mystery how Holt, Gabby and Weimann were always picked ahead of him. Could The Gladiator really have been any worse, or even as bad, as they were the last 6 months of the season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: usav on June 12, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 12, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
It's all well and good a manager having biases, but not when it becomes a grudge to the detriment of the team.

Do we suffer more than other clubs from this?  Is it a Celtic thing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on June 12, 2014, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 12, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
It's a mystery how Holt, Gabby and Weimann were always picked ahead of him. Could The Gladiator really have been any worse, or even as bad, as they were the last 6 months of the season?

My thoughts exactly, PWS. Given how very, very poor those three were (ah, well, Holt didn't do too much wrong I suppose), Helenius would have to be utterly abysmal to not be considered as an alternative, and I don't believe he is.

I still reckon he'll end up playing for Real Madrid one day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
Helenius will become the next Peter Crouch where we should have played him more and not sold him. We'll likely watch him score lots of goals for everyone else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 12, 2014, 08:07:04 PM
All I can think of is attitude and/or off the field problems as he's looked good the few times I saw him (including pre-season). But in interviews I saw with him his attitude seemed spot on. It's a strange 'un.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2014, 08:08:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2014, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: Rolta on June 11, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
  Fuck off, if Ince was that good why is he even looking at Hull.  He made a huge impact last season, didn't he?  That's why all these massive clubs are fighting tooth and nail to get his autograph.  We are in the shit, there is no denying it.  Unless a sale happens by the end of July we are probably going to be in a proper relegation battle.  However shitting myself over missing out on the signings of massive stars such as Tom Ince isn't what will give me nightmares.

I don't get where people are so convinced we'll be doomed this coming year. After all, we weren't actually close to being relegated last year – and that was with the awful run-in.

I guess that's a judgement that depends on how happy you are to be finishing 15th in the league. That's a lot closer to relegation than we'd like to be, even with our new down-scaled expectations.

As for stability, I think we have got all the stablity Lerner cares about - 16th, 15th, 15th over three years. Still in the top flight, no threat whatsoever of doing anything else, but that doesn't really matter, the club's up for sale (new catch-all excuse for the total lack of ambition).

The sooner these people sell up and move on, the better.

I can see the point you are trying to make about staying in the top division but Lerner cannot be happy with the diluting of the playing strength of the squad over that period as it affects drastically how much the club is worth and how much he will get for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rodders on June 12, 2014, 08:20:56 PM
Was there not a story - most likely apocryphal, admittedly - about Helenius having a massive hissy fit and storming off during training?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2014, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 12, 2014, 08:20:56 PM
Was there not a story - most likely apocryphal, admittedly - about Helenius having a massive hissy fit and storming off during training?
The Helenius mystery is one of the more bizarre happenings of last season.
There's an untold story there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on June 12, 2014, 10:16:57 PM
You are right Mr E.   Even the name Helenius has a Hercule Poirot ring about it.   You imagine the answer to the riddle is buried somewhere under the lava of Pompeii or carved into the wall of a Roman bath house.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 13, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 12, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2014, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 11, 2014, 11:47:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 11, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
For Gabby, I wonder if the general malaise at the club is the key to it.  We, as fans, have all been a bit battered by events from the last 4 years, in general nothing has gone our way.  Gabby is a fan as well, I wonder if he's struggling with the same apathy but amplified by the knowledge that he should be able to do something about it but all too often it hasn't worked out for him. 

He doesn't play like a fan.

What does that even mean?  He is a fan, that's 100% undeniable so yes he does play like a fan because that's what he is, he doesn't run himself into the ground (which is what I suspect you mean) because that's just not his game.  His game should be to wander across the line and look for chances to use his pace in behind.  That's exactly what he did when he got into the side but since then he's had mon try to rturn him into a target man, Houllier and McLeish try to make him a winger and Lambert trying to either carry that on or make him a 10.  it's been about 5 1/2 years (about the time we obught Heskey) since he was given a prolonged run in a role where he was looking to break in behind with his pace.  There are comments that his pace hasn't been so effective as he's got older, that's largely because he's breaking from the wrong areas now, defenders usually have a 3-4 yard headstart on him, that he often either gets there or at least forces a panicked clearance is testament to the fact that he's still fast as fuck.

He was never particularly into watching football as a kid, but if he had a team, it was Arsenal.

After scoring the equaliser against Everton at home in O'Neill's first season, Central News were interviewing him and said "It must have been great, scoring at the Holte End where you cheered the team as a boy."

Gabby:  "No.   I never went to games."

That side of things doesn't particularly bother me. If he was doing it on the pitch, I wouldn't care if he was tattoo'd and bollock-chained up like Robert Hopkins.

But Gabby has trotted through the last few seasons. 

I'm not sure I'd be at the point of selling him, but he shouldn't be a guaranteed pick.  And if dropping him meant that he spat his dummy and demanded a move, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken.

I remember that interview and others around that time. In one for Sky, he said that he wasn't  even very interested in football when he was younger, and was more into athletics. He seemed quite embarrassed that the interviewer was trying to push that angle and I thought fair play to him, he is being honest.

Of course he is a Villa as he came through as a youth, but he was not a fan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bully2345 on June 13, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 12, 2014, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: brian green on June 12, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
Nah let's make sure nobody gets a rapturous welcome. Let's boo the claret and blue bastards.

His form doesn't merit that kind of reaction.

It's quite embarrassing actually. I don't know why a lot of our fans (not necessarily those on here) think Agbonlahor is gonna be our saviour.

My reaction was similar when Albrighton became "the saviour"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 13, 2014, 08:51:06 AM
Re Helenius: What' most bizarre about the whole thing is that we appear to just be giving up on him. Why aren't we looking to loan him out to a Championship Club for a few months and see if he cuts it there, before looking to offload completely?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 13, 2014, 09:03:01 AM
None of us know what he is like as a character or even how he performs/behaves in training. It may have something to do with his attitude rather than just his ability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
In which case, surely you would try to coach/manage him to sort out whatever attitude issue that it is rather than just binning him out?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Helenius struggled with the size of Birmingham for one and had a massive hissy fit for being done by Bowery for another.

Sent from [delete bellend iPhone tag] [insert bellend show off tag] the Altitude Bar at th Shangri La overlooking Sydney Opera House and Bridge while supping Rocks Pale Ale.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 13, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
Struggled with the size of Birmingham in what sense?! Was he trying to get round on a pogo stick or something?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 13, 2014, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 13, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
In which case, surely you would try to coach/manage him to sort out whatever attitude issue that it is rather than just binning him out?

If the level of ability meant you could turn a blind eye then I daresay the answer would be yes as with Mancini and Balotelli. Better players than Helenius have been bombed out by their clubs  for other reasons than ability. Adebayor for example or even Nasri at international level. I'm only speculating of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2014, 09:35:34 AM
No idea. It's a big place I guess and for a young lad on his own I a foreign land, he may have felt swallowed up and lost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 13, 2014, 09:40:59 AM
Regardless of the reasoning, be it attitude, struggling to adapt, whatever, it would surely still make much more sense to loan him out for a season than to sell him. He was clearly bought for his potential above anything else and he won't have lost that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2014, 10:34:19 AM
Didn't Lambert and also Helenius's agent publicly say that he was struggling to settle during last season? I think the first time it was mentioned was also pretty early in the season too. Then there was the suggestion around the mid section of the season that Helenius was going to leave in the summer. There were also rumours coming out of Denmark that he wanted a loan move for the second half of the season. Something is definitely not right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
Helenius will become the next Peter Crouch where we should have played him more and not sold him. We'll likely watch him score lots of goals for everyone else.

Exactly what I think.  Reckon he'll develop into a cracking player, but if it won't work out for him here for whatever reason, best to move him on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 13, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
I find it hard to believe Helenius didn't settle in Birmingham. He already spoke English, had Okore over here too, and let's be honest, he didn't come from Angola or some other random country.

Or maybe he did. I don't know. It's just hard to imagine him struggling to settle here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on June 13, 2014, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 12, 2014, 08:07:04 PM
All I can think of is attitude and/or off the field problems as he's looked good the few times I saw him (including pre-season). But in interviews I saw with him his attitude seemed spot on. It's a strange 'un.

Helenius showed more glimpses of skill in the little time he was on the pitch than the other strikers did all season.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 13, 2014, 12:58:04 PM

Did he ?

I must've missed those moments. I never saw him look like he had anything about him at all. Pretty much like the rest of our strikers (minus Benteke) granted

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2014, 01:22:37 PM
looked like he had plenty about him when his sorts came off
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on June 13, 2014, 01:23:12 PM
Yep, he showed some good first touches, turns and control.

As you say, Benteke is excluded from these comparisons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2014, 01:26:35 PM
I thought his first touch was decent, but he was really weak and needed to build up his strength. Surprising for such big lad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2014, 01:40:47 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2014, 01:26:35 PM
I thought his first touch was decent, but he was really weak and needed to build up his strength. Surprising for such big lad.
I recall his former manager kind of summarizing his strengths and weaknesses just after we'd got him. Lack of strength and aerial prowess for a big man were things he needed to improve on. I think obviously, as a side we struggle to keep it on the deck, so I can see why we opted to push ahead with the Kozak deal, and then to some extent, Holt in Jan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2014, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 13, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
I find it hard to believe Helenius didn't settle in Birmingham. He already spoke English, had Okore over here too, and let's be honest, he didn't come from Angola or some other random country.

Or maybe he did. I don't know. It's just hard to imagine him struggling to settle here.
It's strange. It may not just have been a cultural thing or location. He may have struggled with the training aspects and those differences between Premiership intensity compared to in the Danish League.
Trouble is some players don't really show it in training, or reserve games. Sometimes you just don't know till you see them in the big games. I mean Ibrahimavich failed a trial at QPR. I only really mention Ibra as Helenius has been compared to him in terms of playing style.

Maybe Lambert should have chucked him in a few times and see how he did. Shown a bit more faith. Certainly after the Sheff Utd game, we should have seen him play a bit. I think Holt being bought in may well have been the difference between Helenius breaking in like Sylla did in the latter stages of the previous season, or fizzling out into a non-entity as is the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 13, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
Bentley retires from football..phew, that's a relief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27835348
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2014, 03:16:34 PM
Says on the official website that we've been linked with John Anthony Brooks:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Brooks

USA defender (I assume a centre-back, as he's 6'4").

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2014, 03:52:09 PM
presumably on a free and prepared to play for a bag of M&M's every other week. Or the sign of impending new US owners??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 13, 2014, 06:45:21 PM
 Pity we're not after Hernandez, i think he is a really good player, and quite gettable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2014, 06:49:10 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 13, 2014, 06:45:21 PM
Pity we're not after Hernandez, i think he is a really good player, and quite gettable.
How do you know we're not?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
Micah Richards anyone? Free agent next summer, if he could ever possibly stay fit he's much better than what we have....and swears a lot too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 13, 2014, 06:51:50 PM

 Hopefully Tuscans
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on June 13, 2014, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on June 13, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
Bentley retires from football..phew, that's a relief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27835348

How much did we nearly pay before we got Milner instead? 15m?

Bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Matt C on June 13, 2014, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on June 13, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
Bentley retires from football..phew, that's a relief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27835348

How much did we nearly pay before we got Milner instead? 15m?

Bullet dodged.
Apparently we matched Spurs £17m bid and he chose them instead.

Shame.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 13, 2014, 09:50:59 PM
 We was linked to that Dutch lad whos just come on as well, never mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Now that Vlaar is almost certain to leave, what do people think of Senderos and Clark lining up in our first game of the season :-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2014, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Now that Vlaar is almost certain to leave, what do people think of Senderos and Clark lining up in our first game of the season :-)

I think it'd be nice if we could enjoy one of our players doing well without somebody having to search the sky for grey clouds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:00:52 PM
Oh Dave lighten up will you, Jesus, I was being slightly ironic.  Of course I am delighted and proud of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
I posted on FB that he is world class.  Which he is, when he has a decent partner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2014, 10:02:53 PM
Oh, so it was a joke. Sorry, I couldn't tell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 13, 2014, 10:05:07 PM
 Vlaar and Okores is a decent defensive partnership tbh...........even if it is for only one season!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2014, 10:05:42 PM
Maybe Ron could have a word with 1-2 of his Dutch team mates to come join us. The wingbacks did pretty well today to be fair. Did the left back set up the first two Dutch goals?

Sadly I think RVP and Robben might just be out of our price range! lol.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
Ah well, you will know next time won't you.  Unless you were being sarcastic, which isn't like you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
Ah well, you will know next time won't you.  Unless you were being sarcastic, which isn't like you.

Are you going to say that three times as well?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
No, once is enough, the point is well made.  I wish I was as sharp as you sometimes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
Ah well, you will know next time won't you.  Unless you were being sarcastic, which isn't like you.

Are you going to say that three times as well?

Also known as the Mark Lawrenson commentary technique.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 13, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
Ah well, you will know next time won't you.  Unless you were being sarcastic, which isn't like you.

Are you going to say that three times as well?

Also known as the Mark Lawrenson commentary technique.

That was really funny as well.  See we are all at it now.  See we are all at it now.  See we are all......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 14, 2014, 04:53:50 PM
Is Samaras an option for us? 29, has an eye for goal, looking for a club and an ex-Celtic player. Could be a potential cult hero!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on June 14, 2014, 05:14:54 PM
No thanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2014, 05:17:10 PM
Yeah, his outgoing boss Lennon didn't exactly give him a glowing reference on the been before the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2014, 05:51:49 PM
Samaras is pants. Championship at best. As for a Senderos/Clark partnership. Wow!! If Vlaar leaves the club, I still wouldn't select either Clark or Baker if I had the choice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 14, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
Vlaar needs to be offered a new deal pronto. We need to tie our better players to longer contracts. I don't get Lerner's logic. We'll get no transfer fee and then a replacement will most likely cost a fee and wages. Lerner's running of the club borders on negligence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on June 14, 2014, 06:33:47 PM
Van Gaal hasctonpick the best Dutch defenders for Netherlands.

As Man Utd manager he can cast his net much wider.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on June 14, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Seriously now, I love Ron and I think he is very good but with ManUs rescources Van Gaal can do a lot better.

If he doesn't get a new contract its the other 15 clubs outside the top 4 we need to be worrying about.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 14, 2014, 07:03:08 PM
Samaras? Just shows how far this club has fallen for fans to be suggesting Samaras.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2014, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on June 14, 2014, 07:03:08 PM
Samaras? Just shows how far this club has fallen for fans to be suggesting Samaras.

Not fans. Just some nuts. And haven't we just fallen? We've sunk really low in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 14, 2014, 07:32:10 PM
 Should be looking at the Columbian no 9 and no 10 instead.

 In fact the RB looked very good as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 14, 2014, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 14, 2014, 07:32:10 PM
In fact the RB looked very good as well
Is a regular for Napoli when fit. No chance of signing him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 14, 2014, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 14, 2014, 07:32:10 PM
In fact the RB looked very good as well
Is a regular for Napoli when fit. No chance of signing him.

The right back position is sorted. We have the current Scottish international ready to slot in!! Wahay!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: dekko on June 14, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Seriously now, I love Ron and I think he is very good but with ManUs rescources Van Gaal can do a lot better.

I agree.

I like Vlaar, he's decent. Not much more than that. Good, maybe. But Van Gaal can buy pretty much whoever he wants.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2014, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: dekko on June 14, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Seriously now, I love Ron and I think he is very good but with ManUs rescources Van Gaal can do a lot better.

I agree.

I like Vlaar, he's decent. Not much more than that. Good, maybe. But Van Gaal can buy pretty much whoever he wants.

He can't really though. Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona and probably Bayern are all in the market for a new centre-back this summer and there are only so many to go around. I can't see anybody picking ManYoo over any of those four.

At the moment they have Evans, Smalling and Jones. Even if they do bring in somebody much better than Vlaar, he would still be a better choice than any of those three to partner him. And considering he has 12 months left, he would cost them relative peanuts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2014, 01:09:08 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 15, 2014, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: dekko on June 14, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Seriously now, I love Ron and I think he is very good but with ManUs rescources Van Gaal can do a lot better.

I agree.

I like Vlaar, he's decent. Not much more than that. Good, maybe. But Van Gaal can buy pretty much whoever he wants.

He can't really though. Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona and probably Bayern are all in the market for a new centre-back this summer and there are only so many to go around. I can't see anybody picking ManYoo over any of those four.

At the moment they have Evans, Smalling and Jones. Even if they do bring in somebody much better than Vlaar, he would still be a better choice than any of those three to partner him. And considering he has 12 months left, he would cost them relative peanuts.

Fair enough, but I don't think the availability for peanuts thing is going to be a decisive factor in whoever they buy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2014, 01:09:21 AM
I'd just like to say that Samaras is shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2014, 01:16:00 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2014, 01:09:08 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 15, 2014, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: dekko on June 14, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Seriously now, I love Ron and I think he is very good but with ManUs rescources Van Gaal can do a lot better.

I agree.

I like Vlaar, he's decent. Not much more than that. Good, maybe. But Van Gaal can buy pretty much whoever he wants.

He can't really though. Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona and probably Bayern are all in the market for a new centre-back this summer and there are only so many to go around. I can't see anybody picking ManYoo over any of those four.

At the moment they have Evans, Smalling and Jones. Even if they do bring in somebody much better than Vlaar, he would still be a better choice than any of those three to partner him. And considering he has 12 months left, he would cost them relative peanuts.

Fair enough, but I don't think the availability for peanuts thing is going to be a decisive factor in whoever they buy.
Well, if Vlaar had three years left on his contract and we quoted them £12m then they might think that they could spend that money better elsewhere. And if we could do that then they probably could spend it better.

As he has 12 months left and we would probably sell for £5m or so, I think they'd see it as money well spent. I think it probably would be as well.

They could easily afford to pay whatever figure we put on any of our players, but how much we quote them is certain to have a factor in whether they decide they want to sign him or not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2014, 01:17:40 AM
Vlaar is also a good, safe, short term option for Van Gaal. And as has been said, he won't cost them that much. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes there this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 15, 2014, 01:18:15 AM
If I were LVG I would be looking to buy two centerbacks for Utd. One needs to be a big signing ideally. The other though, could well be someone like Vlaar. You know he'll be solid, LVG knows him well.
I want us to keep him though. The only circumstance I would let Utd have Vlaar, is if we could get Young coming the other way, even if on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2014, 01:24:02 AM
Good shout supertom, I think a player swap might be an option but don't know who as yet, perhaps Chico. Would like Phil Jones but I don't suppose he'd want to come to VP. Also, I know Vlaar was excellent last night, but two things; that will push up the price for us, and, really, he ain't THAT good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2014, 01:34:23 AM
Can't see it Dave, but we is just speculating my friend and, to be fair, it would be very Villalike to sell our only defender of any kind of quality given the shambles we currently have in terms of management.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 15, 2014, 01:42:28 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?

It is most unlikely, but not impossible.

What is more than probable however, is that his agent is on warp overdrive alerting anybody with dosh of Ron's availability at what amounts in the context to a distressed sale rate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on June 15, 2014, 03:20:48 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?

No, but Ron Vlaar and Spurs might
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2014, 03:39:32 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?

I would never have thought Chris Smalling- Man U went together either. But there you go.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on June 15, 2014, 10:11:37 AM
I don't think Vlaar is Man United material, either - but he could well be Van Gaal material. VG clearly needs at least two new CBs for next season, and he knows Vlaar as well as anyone. He won't cost much and is in the last year of his contract. I wouldn't be surprised, though I'd be really disappointed if he left now.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 15, 2014, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2014, 03:39:32 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?

I would never have thought Chris Smalling- Man U went together either. But there you go.

But when they signed Smalling, he was a 20 year old with potential, an England U21 international, they obviously thought he'd progress. Vlaar is a pushing 30 year old that despite being part of a great international performance the other night which has somehow elevated him to world class in some people's eyes, has been mediocre for two seasons in the premier league. Man Utd don't traditionally buy mediocre 30 year olds, and if they start now you won't see me complaining but i can't see it. Yes, he's our best defender (pending watching Okore and Senderos next season) but the rest were barely premier league standard last season.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 15, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
Vlaar is currently the preferred choice at Centre Half for the Dutch national side.  That's a pretty big statement.  And the man who's picking him is the manager of Manure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 15, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Some people are missing the point. Vlaar is class with class players around him. I  wouldn't think players like Baker, Bennett and KEA are class. Vlaar spends too much time covering for others. Vlaar looked very good against the current World Cup holders.
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Post by: foodyio on June 15, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
I wouldn't mind to sell Vlaar for 5m.
We can then give baker to man u free + add in hutton + luna.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 15, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
But does that fact somehow magically elevate his performances in the PL in the last 2 seasons? Lots of players have looked good for their international team and not done it in the PL and vice versa.
In terms of the dutch, lets see how the rest of the competition pans out, but i'd say their strength is very much in attack. Did you see them at euro 2012, they were awful by Dutch standards.
If Van Gaal signs him for Man Utd i'd be amazed.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 15, 2014, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?
I dunno. A year or two there as a transitional player. LVG knows what he can do, and he's also (largely) proven himself in the Premiership. He certainly doesn't stand out as what you'd call a Utd standard player, but then again, he's better than anything they currently have.

It is a long shot though....thankfully.
Selling Vlaar without replacing him with as good or better would be suicide.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 15, 2014, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 15, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Some people are missing the point. Vlaar is class with class players around him. I  wouldn't think players like Baker, Bennett and KEA are class. Vlaar spends too much time covering for others. Vlaar looked very good against the current World Cup holders.
He was also very poor in the last Euro's. Vlaar needs to keep it up for the rest of Hollands World Cup before we have to start worrying too much about big clubs coming in for him. Likewise I would hope we're not going to see him pull an Alpay on us. I don't think he will though as he seems a genuinely class act.

Good player but Vlaar still has a way to go to prove he's capable of being a top 6 Prem player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on June 15, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
What I don't get is why some of our best players have been allowed to get within 1 year of their contracts ending. Shambolic leadership imo. As soon as any player worth keeping gets to w years left there should be every effort made to tie them up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WestleyArmsAV on June 15, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 15, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Some people are missing the point. Vlaar is class with class players around him. I  wouldn't think players like Baker, Bennett and KEA are class. Vlaar spends too much time covering for others. Vlaar looked very good against the current World Cup holders.

It's the FA cup of world football. The champions lost their first game four years ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2014, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on June 15, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
What I don't get is why some of our best players have been allowed to get within 1 year of their contracts ending. Shambolic leadership imo. As soon as any player worth keeping gets to w years left there should be every effort made to tie them up.
Agreed, but had there been talk this time last year of Vlaar (and possibly even Delph) being given a new contract there would have been a lot of shouts of "what has he done to deserve a new contract?"

I expect that if N'Zogbia has a brilliant season this time around, then this time next year we'll be annoyed that he'll be going into his final year, but I don't think anybody would suggest that we sign him now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2014, 03:06:43 PM
I am guessing that Randy won't offer any new contracts as yet until such time that he realises he isn't able to sell quickly enough. Sell, and make it someone else's problem. Don't sell quickly enough, protect the investment, by offering contracts, as losing players of their quality only increases the risk of relegation and losing value.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 15, 2014, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 15, 2014, 03:06:43 PM
I am guessing that Randy won't offer any new contracts as yet until such time that he realises he isn't able to sell quickly enough. Sell, and make it someone else's problem. Don't sell quickly enough, protect the investment, by offering contracts, as losing players of their quality only increases the risk of relegation and losing value.
Once we get to January, whatever the situation we've got to address the contracts. Losing Vlaar for nothing would be bad. Losing Delph for nowt will be extremely bad.
Both players need to be tied down if we've got any sort of ambition left to rebuild and compete at the right end again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 15, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?

Not as their longterm CB solution, or even someone who would feature in the majority of their games. no.

But he'd be an instant upgrade on Jonny Evans and some of the other goons they've had playing at the back for the last few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 15, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
I like Ron Vlaar but anyone who thinks Manchester United would want him needs to step back and think for a second. Ron Vlaar. Manchester United. Do they really go together?

Not as their longterm CB solution, or even someone who would feature in the majority of their games. no.

But he'd be an instant upgrade on Jonny Evans and some of the other goons they've had playing at the back for the last few years.

They could get better, cheaper and younger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2014, 06:48:17 PM
Vlaar isn't good enough to play for Man United, but that's not really the point. The point is that he is easily, easily good enough to play for us.

Seeing him and Delph being allowed to enter the last year of their contract strikes me as mental. However, it also strikes me as exactly the sort of thing our exalted leaders would allow to happen, and I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see them both sold this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 15, 2014, 07:44:08 PM
Their form was good enough by the midway point last season to both be offered new deals.

Now it probably makes more sense for them to see out their respective contracts and go for nowt. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
Indeed.

The one thing we have consistently failed to understand since 2006 is the importance of managing our squad as an asset of the business - players fucking off for nothing after seeing out their contracts is hardly a new thing for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:07:43 AM
To be fair I don't think we can really comment if Vlaar is good enough to play for Man Utd.  He has only been at Villa two seasons one of which was mostly injury hit, but by all accounts and considering he has played along side poor players he has been impressive.  Also, his performance the other night against Spain was class.

Point is the press are going to link anyone with any kind of name value who is Dutch to Utd, but the point is we can't afford to lose Vlaar so they can all fuck off >:(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Whether he's good enough for United is irrelevant.

The point, as pauliwalnuts points out, is that thanks to our hopeless asset management, we have our best defender on display at the World Cup with a big sign on his head saying "look at me, I've only got a year left on my contract, you can get me for next to fuck all, and there's hardly any great reason for me to stay where I am"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on June 16, 2014, 07:48:50 AM
You're depressingly right I'm afraid.  Just when you thought all aspects of their incompetence had been exposed we realise this.

Just thank McGrath didn't take Delph with him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 16, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Whether he's good enough for United is irrelevant.

The point, as pauliwalnuts points out, is that thanks to our hopeless asset management, we have our best defender on display at the World Cup with a big sign on his head saying "look at me, I've only got a year left on my contract, you can get me for next to fuck all, and there's hardly any great reason for me to stay where I am"

It's also possible that the club have already offered them new contracts and they have both refused.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 16, 2014, 08:41:41 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 16, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Whether he's good enough for United is irrelevant.

The point, as pauliwalnuts points out, is that thanks to our hopeless asset management, we have our best defender on display at the World Cup with a big sign on his head saying "look at me, I've only got a year left on my contract, you can get me for next to fuck all, and there's hardly any great reason for me to stay where I am"

It's also possible that the club have already offered them new contracts and they have both refused.

true and who could blame them?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 16, 2014, 08:55:57 AM
I see, after telling Lambert he 'needed to sign him', Hitzfeld decided to leave Senderos on the bench for 90 minutes. Not exactly a glowing endorsement!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2014, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: Malandro on June 16, 2014, 08:41:41 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 16, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Whether he's good enough for United is irrelevant.

The point, as pauliwalnuts points out, is that thanks to our hopeless asset management, we have our best defender on display at the World Cup with a big sign on his head saying "look at me, I've only got a year left on my contract, you can get me for next to fuck all, and there's hardly any great reason for me to stay where I am"

It's also possible that the club have already offered them new contracts and they have both refused.

true and who could blame them?

I could. After years of injuries and substandard performances the least they owe us is a bit of loyalty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2014, 11:17:49 AM
Loyalty ? What's that then
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on June 16, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
Loyalty is filed under Downing. S.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: onje_villa on June 16, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
Vlaar still has a lot to prove at PL level. I've no doubt he's got a lot of quality about him and he's had a tough introduction playing alongside the Chuckle brothers but he's had some extremely average at best performances himself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on June 16, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
Loyalty is filed under Downing. S.

We blamed him, so what would be the difference?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2014, 01:16:42 PM
I would be very disappointed in both Vlaar and Delph if they turned down new deals to run their contracts down and walk away for nothing. If they have been offered of course. The club has spend fortunes on getting them both into the club and then on their fitness etc. Vlaar is captain too, I would hope some loyalty would be given back. That is of course if they are offered deals, but I can't for the life of me see why they would not be before the summer is out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 16, 2014, 01:16:42 PM
I would be very disappointed in both Vlaar and Delph if they turned down new deals to run their contracts down and walk away for nothing. If they have been offered of course. The club has spend fortunes on getting them both into the club and then on their fitness etc. Vlaar is captain too, I would hope some loyalty would be given back. That is of course if they are offered deals, but I can't for the life of me see why they would not be before the summer is out.
Does it not depend what they are offered?

If we offer them £20,000 each and somebody else decides they'll offer three times that amount then however much they might want to stick around, they're still going to go to somebody paying much more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on June 16, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on June 16, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
Loyalty is filed under Downing. S.

We blamed him, so what would be the difference?

I stuck up for him from the moment he arrived.  His final season for us was pretty much his best ever, broke into the England team, and he said he would stick by the team that had looked after him through his injury.  Then he gets photographed with Andy Carroll and fecks off that summer.  Loyalty schmoyalty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RossLeach on June 16, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on June 16, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on June 16, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
Loyalty is filed under Downing. S.

We blamed him, so what would be the difference?

I stuck up for him from the moment he arrived.  His final season for us was pretty much his best ever, broke into the England team, and he said he would stick by the team that had looked after him through his injury.  Then he gets photographed with Andy Carroll and fecks off that summer.  Loyalty schmoyalty.

We got £20m for him. And we was rubbish afterwards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Delph out of two possible owns us more than Vlaar, we did take a chance on him at a young age and have stuck by him through some very hit and miss footballing years.  Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa.  Vlaar is different because of his age, and that he may still have that one big move in him.  But you  know as long as he stays at least for another season I would be happy to take my chances, because at the moment without him we could be in the shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa.
That's utterly absurd.

I don't think Chelsea will be calling for him to partner Fabregas anytime soon, but you don't think that any current Premier League team would want to take Delph on a free transfer given the thoroughly decent season he's just had?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa.
That's utterly absurd.

I don't think Chelsea will be calling for him to partner Fabregas anytime soon, but you don't think that any current Premier League team would want to take Delph on a free transfer given the thoroughly decent season he's just had?

Maybe but it is only one good season, he needs to do it much more consistently.  Also from his point of view being at the young age and still needing much improvement to his game then it might better to development his game with us before looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 16, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Delph out of two possible owns us more than Vlaar, we did take a chance on him at a young age...

You make him sound like he was Ravel Morrison or some other liability. 

When we signed him, Citeh, Tottingham and Everton were all keen.

5 years at any club is practically long service material now, if he goes, I'm sure he won't think he owes us. 

Downing was a wee bit different, as we signed him as a crock (after we had crocked him, in fairness).  But I wouldn't blame any attacking player for leaving once it was made clear McLeish would be joining us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 16, 2014, 02:53:28 PM
To be fair to Downing he did get us 20M and play shit ever since leaving us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2014, 03:05:34 PM
Can't get too worked up about any of them leaving to be fair. As for downing, £20m was way too much to turn down, especially from them. Good move by us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Maybe but it is only one good season, he needs to do it much more consistently.  Also from his point of view being at the young age and still needing much improvement to his game then it might better to development his game with us before looking elsewhere.
On a free transfer, I reckon that anybody from 6th place down would love for him to develop his game with them rather than us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa.
That's utterly absurd.

I don't think Chelsea will be calling for him to partner Fabregas anytime soon, but you don't think that any current Premier League team would want to take Delph on a free transfer given the thoroughly decent season he's just had?

I don't think it's absurd at all, it doesn't take much to be the stand out performer in our pitiful midfield, off the top of my head I can't think of a single top ten side he would be a regular starter in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fasth56 on June 16, 2014, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa.
That's utterly absurd.

I don't think Chelsea will be calling for him to partner Fabregas anytime soon, but you don't think that any current Premier League team would want to take Delph on a free transfer given the thoroughly decent season he's just had?

I don't think it's absurd at all, it doesn't take much to be the stand out performer in our pitiful midfield, off the top of my head I can't think of a single top ten side he would be a regular starter in.

Stoke, Newcastle or Everton?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:14:14 PM
Granted most of you have seen far more of Delph than I have but apart from a great performance against Chelsea this season I don't remember thinking what a great player he is during the however many years he's been at Villa. A lot of Leeds supporting mates tell me how great he was with them but don't recognise him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2014, 04:21:36 PM
Vermaelen probably off to Manure. Might stop them wanting Ron.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2014, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:14:14 PM
Granted most of you have seen far more of Delph than I have but apart from a great performance against Chelsea this season I don't remember thinking what a great player he is during the however many years he's been at Villa. A lot of Leeds supporting mates tell me how great he was with them but don't recognise him in a Villa shirt.

Delph didn't look good before the last 18 months as he rarely had a run, mainly through injuries. Overall he's looked very good over that 18 months, often carrying our midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 16, 2014, 04:28:07 PM
Lescott is said to be deciding his future this week. I still think he'd be a huge addition for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 16, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa.
That's utterly absurd.

I don't think Chelsea will be calling for him to partner Fabregas anytime soon, but you don't think that any current Premier League team would want to take Delph on a free transfer given the thoroughly decent season he's just had?

I don't think it's absurd at all, it doesn't take much to be the stand out performer in our pitiful midfield, off the top of my head I can't think of a single top ten side he would be a regular starter in.
Glenn Whelan started most of Stoke's games and they've just brought in Sidwell on a free. I certainly wouldn't want either of those in Delph's place in our midfield.

Besides, even if we were to accept that he wouldn't start for any of the top ten (which I don't think is correct), that's still a big jump to 'nobody outside the current Championship sides would want to sign him'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
'nobody outside the current Championship sides would want to sign him'.

That's not what he said.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
'nobody outside the current Championship sides would want to sign him'.

That's not what he said.

"Also, apart from a newly promoted or Championship club I don't know if there would much better options for him than staying at Villa"

That suggests that the only options he would have are clubs in the Championship, Leicester, Burnley and QPR.

Unless he thinks that a load of Premier League teams would be trying to sign him but it would be better for him to NOT sign for them and drop down a division.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 05:45:02 PM
I took it to mean he'd also be better off staying at Villa than joining the likes of West Ham, Stoke, Hull, Palace, Albion.

I couldn't pick Glenn Whelan out of a line up so haven't a clue whether he'd improve Villa but equally I don't understand why you mentioned him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 05:45:02 PM
I couldn't pick Glenn Whelan out of a line up so haven't a clue whether he'd improve Villa but equally I don't understand why you mentioned him.
The sort of mediocre dross that is currently starting for top ten teams in the Premier League, and on whom Delph would be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
I'm not sure what he has to do with Delph though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 06:02:07 PM
You said that you couldn't think of a single top ten side that he would be a regular starter in.

I gave you an example of the side and the player whose place he'd be taking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 06:06:57 PM
If you're taking everything literally you'll note I said 'off the top of my head', I had no idea Stoke are a top ten club. You must watch Stoke an awful lot to be able to actually name a player he would replace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2014, 06:12:34 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 06:06:57 PM
If you're taking everything literally you'll note I said 'off the top of my head', I had no idea Stoke are a top ten club. You must watch Stoke an awful lot to be able to actually name a player he would replace.
I wouldn't say I watch much of them at all, but I take enough of a passing interest to know that they finished in the top ten last year and that Delph is a better player than Glenn Whelan.

I had no idea that would be such a controversial opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 16, 2014, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2014, 06:12:34 PM


I had no idea that would be such a controversial opinion.

That's utterly absurd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 16, 2014, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2014, 04:28:07 PM
Lescott is said to be deciding his future this week. I still think he'd be a huge addition for us.
Yes, so do I.  Which is why it's a crying shame we have signed Senderos to fill the "free transfer centr back" slot!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2014, 09:31:36 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 16, 2014, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2014, 04:28:07 PM
Lescott is said to be deciding his future this week. I still think he'd be a huge addition for us.
Yes, so do I.  Which is why it's a crying shame we have signed Senderos to fill the "free transfer centr back" slot!

Would love to get Lescott as as well and be confident that we are secure ish at the back!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte Sweet on June 16, 2014, 09:46:14 PM
I wouldnt want any player who is happy to sit out a fat contract at Citeh rather than have the ambition to seek first team football elsewhere.

Not exactlya winner in my book.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 16, 2014, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Holte Sweet on June 16, 2014, 09:46:14 PM
I wouldnt want any player who is happy to sit out a fat contract at Citeh rather than have the ambition to seek first team football elsewhere.

Not exactlya winner in my book.

Not sure he can be accused of that, Man City were in a number of competitions way beyond the end of the transfer window - played most of the domestic cup games and was on the bench in Prem & Europe.  Wasn't like he was a Winston Bogarde sat on his arse drawing a huge salary for nowt.

Very much a winner in my book!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2014, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 16, 2014, 09:31:36 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 16, 2014, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2014, 04:28:07 PM
Lescott is said to be deciding his future this week. I still think he'd be a huge addition for us.
Yes, so do I.  Which is why it's a crying shame we have signed Senderos to fill the "free transfer centr back" slot!

Would love to get Lescott as as well and be confident that we are secure ish at the back!

Not a prayer, I'm afraid.
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Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2014, 12:11:02 AM
I know sadly.
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Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2014, 12:18:22 AM
That ship of hopeful signings has long sailed.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 17, 2014, 12:21:29 AM
Aren't Newcastle being linked with Delph? He'd start there and they were top 10 last season. Could see Everton being interested aswell.
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Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2014, 08:28:54 AM
There were quite a few occasions last season when Lambert opted for 3 at the back. I'm still hopeful that another centre-back could be on his list.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on June 17, 2014, 09:33:45 AM
With Okore coming back I think it's unlikely he'll go for another centre back (unless  Vlaar has been offered a new contract and has turned it down)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
The thing that raises my hopes is that I think he'll have some money to spend - maybe £7-£10 million in total. The fact that he's concentrating on frees at the moment, makes me think that perhaps he will be attempting to bring somebody in for a decent fee. With absolutely nothing to go on, I'm going to guess at a £7m move for Troy Deeney.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 17, 2014, 10:21:54 AM
Lescott would be ideal for us, but I just don't see it happening, hope the rumors about Rio are not true. 

What about up front do we need another striker?  If Gabby and Weinmann had better seasons last time then I would feel more confident what with Kozak returning and CB to come back later.  It feels like we have enough already, but that there are just so many question marks over those players to do with form, injuries etc.. then maybe for the right price another striker might be worth it.  Remy  has been linked, not sure if he would leave Newcastle for us, but might be worth a punt. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Lescott is an accident waiting to happen?  Or have I missed the games where he's looked assured at the back and just seen the slightly calamitous ones.  In his defence he looked a lot more solid at Everton when he was the 'main man' but much less so at City especially once he was not considered first choice.

In fact I don't think there is much between him and senderos and Senderos is cheaper and younger (I think).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 17, 2014, 10:40:25 AM
I can only see Lescott coming in if we're expecting Vlaar to go. Or unless the plan is to play 3 CH's next season and we're going to bin Clark and Baker.

Delph could get into Utd's side at the moment, pretty comfortably. And as said a lot of other clubs would probably sniff around him. I think for this summer we're safe, but come next summer we could lose him for nowt. If he sees out his contract, at his age, he could conceivably double his earnings somewhere else by signing on a free. Same goes for Vlaar.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 17, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Lescott is an accident waiting to happen?  Or have I missed the games where he's looked assured at the back and just seen the slightly calamitous ones.  In his defence he looked a lot more solid at Everton when he was the 'main man' but much less so at City especially once he was not considered first choice.

In fact I don't think there is much between him and senderos and Senderos is cheaper and younger (I think).

Think he is one of those who needs a run of games to really hit form.  With a bit of luck we may get the answer to whether there is much difference him and Senderos.  There isn't much in the age thing, Senderos is 29, am guessing Lescott is maybe one a couple of years older.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2014, 10:45:02 AM
Lescott has a few goals in him too, something none of our centre-backs have really offered since Laursen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2014, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 17, 2014, 10:40:25 AM
I can only see Lescott coming in if we're expecting Vlaar to go. Or unless the plan is to play 3 CH's next season and we're going to bin Clark and Baker.

Delph could get into Utd's side at the moment, pretty comfortably. And as said a lot of other clubs would probably sniff around him. I think for this summer we're safe, but come next summer we could lose him for nowt. If he sees out his contract, at his age, he could conceivably double his earnings somewhere else by signing on a free. Same goes for Vlaar.

Typically each major international tournament heralds a change in style or tactical formation.  I would not be surprised if Holland's destruction of Spain will see more teams using three at the back. 

Based on our current players I think the system would suit us with Okore / Vlaar / Clark all complementing each other and providing a potentially solid base (Lowton Senderos and Baker being their understudies).  Bacuna and Bennet would also be able to play to their strengths.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 17, 2014, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2014, 10:45:02 AM
Lescott has a few goals in him too, something none of our centre-backs have really offered since Laursen.

Most of those goals seem to come when he is playing against us, so would mean we concede less as well  :P
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 17, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
I would have liked Lescott until we signed Senderos, I really hope we get 1 more centre half but it's essential we get one with pace to understudy Okore.  Vlaar, Senderos, Baker & Clark is a frighteningly slow set of defenders that puts too much emphasis on Okore being fit and staying fit.

Personally I would cut Clark & Baker loose, I think they will both be very decent defenders in time but the Premiership is not the place for them for them to learn their trade, particularly as they are in danger of being scapegoated as the symptom of our poor seasons. 

RB - Lowton + AN Other (one who can actually defend, not Bacuna)

LB - AN Other + Bennett or Luna,

CB - Vlaar, Okore, Senderos + AN Other (with pace) with Donancien as 5th choice
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 17, 2014, 12:44:30 PM
Hope this is lost in translation.

The perception of English footballers and the Premier League mustn't be great in Holland. Footballers in the Premier League have advanced greatly over the last decade and fitness and health are now paramount to most, but still in Holland they seem to think that masses of players down beers whenever given the chance.

Ron Vlaar has been speaking to Helden in his own country about the sacrifices he made to get to the World Cup, and how he doesn't touch alcohol. He explained that two years ago he made a choice to live perfectly to get to the World Cup, Helden ask him if what they call 'the Aston Villa drinking culture' proved a problem.

Vlaar said he doesn't get involved and if other players had his dedication they may also be at the World Cup "I don't put myself in the position [to drink]. I don't."

When asked if not even having a beer after matches gets him grief, he said "Oh yes, but that doesn't interest me. I'm here, you know, that was my goal. From some of my club, only the goalkeeper is also here and normally Benteke, but he is injured. If my teammates would be for living, they would make their goals, I would think."

The Dutch defender hasn't gone out to criticise his club, but the perception in Holland is a little odd, the game there isn't without controversies at times and the best Dutch players often improve in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 17, 2014, 01:38:57 PM

How many centre backs do we need ?, I can't see any logic in signing another CB when we have five already
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
The only Villa player I can think Vlaar refers to is Herd who if he'd kept his nose clean would be at the World Cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2014, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 17, 2014, 01:38:57 PM

How many centre backs do we need ?, I can't see any logic in signing another CB when we have five already

I regard Clark as -1 and Baker as -3 so I think we've just about broken even as it stands.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on June 17, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 17, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
Vlaar, Senderos, Baker & Clark is a frighteningly slow set of defenders that puts too much emphasis on Okore being fit and staying fit.

Vlaar is actually one of our quickest players if you look at the opta stats
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on June 17, 2014, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on June 17, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 17, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
Vlaar, Senderos, Baker & Clark is a frighteningly slow set of defenders that puts too much emphasis on Okore being fit and staying fit.

Vlaar is actually one of our quickest players if you look at the opta stats

Yeah his acceleration aint much but once he gets going he's fairly fast.  There was a bit during the Chelsea home game when Hazard was chasing after a long ball down the wing and Vlaar just burns past him to get the ball back, it was pretty ace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: glasses on June 17, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 17, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
The only Villa player I can think Vlaar refers to is Herd who if he'd kept his nose clean would be at the World Cup.
Great choice of words
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 17, 2014, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 17, 2014, 12:44:30 PM
Hope this is lost in translation.

The perception of English footballers and the Premier League mustn't be great in Holland. Footballers in the Premier League have advanced greatly over the last decade and fitness and health are now paramount to most, but still in Holland they seem to think that masses of players down beers whenever given the chance.

Ron Vlaar has been speaking to Helden in his own country about the sacrifices he made to get to the World Cup, and how he doesn't touch alcohol. He explained that two years ago he made a choice to live perfectly to get to the World Cup, Helden ask him if what they call 'the Aston Villa drinking culture' proved a problem.

Vlaar said he doesn't get involved and if other players had his dedication they may also be at the World Cup "I don't put myself in the position [to drink]. I don't."

When asked if not even having a beer after matches gets him grief, he said "Oh yes, but that doesn't interest me. I'm here, you know, that was my goal. From some of my club, only the goalkeeper is also here and normally Benteke, but he is injured. If my teammates would be for living, they would make their goals, I would think."

The Dutch defender hasn't gone out to criticise his club, but the perception in Holland is a little odd, the game there isn't without controversies at times and the best Dutch players often improve in the Premier League.


I think something HAS been lost in translation. The original question in Dutch suggested it was the Premier League that had a drinking culture as opposed to specifically Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on June 17, 2014, 07:31:46 PM
We do pass like we're pissed up though to be fair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
I don't wish to see Baker in a Villa shirt again. Not good enough for me. Would like to see Okore, Lescott, Senderos and Vlaar at the club though. Midfield ball winner in next please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 17, 2014, 08:39:12 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Lescott is an accident waiting to happen?  Or have I missed the games where he's looked assured at the back and just seen the slightly calamitous ones.  In his defence he looked a lot more solid at Everton when he was the 'main man' but much less so at City especially once he was not considered first choice.

In fact I don't think there is much between him and senderos and Senderos is cheaper and younger (I think).

wasnt he mainly played as a left back at Everton? seem to remember him playing there in the Ashley Young game
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 17, 2014, 07:31:46 PM
We do pass like we're pissed up though to be fair.

And defend like we've been shooting up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: baddowvillans on June 18, 2014, 08:09:57 AM
Looks like Lescott is off to the mighty Hull - well you can understand that he would choose their proud history over his boyhood team. Like others I'm still not. On inched he was worth the wages and that may have been why we lacked appetite.  If Okore is and can stay for I think we will be ok with what we've got there. It's the creativity - or lack of it that bothers me
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 08:28:03 AM
I don't believe for one second that given a straight choice between Senderos and Lescott on free transfers Lambert would have chosen Senderos. This is purely down to wages and it would appear that we're about to lose out to Hull.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: achilles on June 18, 2014, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 08:28:03 AM
I don't believe for one second that given a straight choice between Senderos and Lescott on free transfers Lambert would have chosen Senderos. This is purely down to wages and it would appear that we're about to lose out to Hull.

The difference could easily be that Lescott has choices whereas Senderos had no choice, easy to make your mind up then!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 08:49:24 AM
It's a small time attitude that will see us down if not revised.

Although Lescott going to Hull suggests much about his ability now. I want him here don't get me wrong, but he is error prone at centre half. Demichelis was picked well in front of him at City.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2014, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 08:49:24 AM
It's a small time attitude that will see us down if not revised.

Although Lescott going to Hull suggests much about his ability now. I want him here don't get me wrong, but he is error prone at centre half. Demichelis was picked well in front of him at City.

That's more to do with the manager's opinion though.  Torres is picked ahead of Lukaku at Chelsea, yet who would you want us to get?

Lescott is a good player, but doubt we'll get him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on June 18, 2014, 09:32:22 AM
I cant see us even being in for another centre half.......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 10:33:47 AM
Talk this morning that Lescott is going to Albion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 10:37:58 AM
That will go down well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 18, 2014, 10:39:44 AM
I doubt it, They are planning a protest against the new manager as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 18, 2014, 10:46:51 AM
I could be wrong the express and star are reporting it now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.

How exactly did we 'allow' him to sign for them and if it's typical when was the last time it happened?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SteveN on June 18, 2014, 11:03:24 AM
Watching Mexico last night, they played with three big centre backs and two full backs who kept to the touchline when Mexico had possession. As a team they defended pretty well.  We may not have the same quality across the board but I wonder if Lambert is thinking of using that system more next season?

Given the assumed financial restraints only one more signing would be required to complete the defensive options.  Playing Vlaar, Senderos and Okore across the back we would then have Lowton/Bacuna and Bennett/Luna as primarily attacking full backs (or wing backs if you prefer) to which they are better suited.  Baker and Clark as cover for the centre backs.

If we could sign a decent defensive midfielder who could play in front of the three that might work, with Clark as cover for that position.

I'll give PL a call. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.

How exactly did we 'allow' him to sign for them and if it's typical when was the last time it happened?
Craig Gardner.

Actually, maybe not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 18, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.

How exactly did we 'allow' him to sign for them and if it's typical when was the last time it happened?

It's going to be a long old summer if everytime someone else signs or looks like signing a player we go into apoplexy over it.

For what it's worth I suspect PL wouldn't look to invest circa 50k a week in a position that he had a first choice p'ship 9 months ago that he has hardly seen yet...Senderos is back up to Vlaar / Okore, Lescott would have to go anywhere as 1st choice
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on June 18, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 18, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.

How exactly did we 'allow' him to sign for them and if it's typical when was the last time it happened?

It's going to be a long old summer if everytime someone else signs or looks like signing a player we go into apoplexy over it.

For what it's worth I suspect PL wouldn't look to invest circa 50k a week in a position that he had a first choice p'ship 9 months ago that he has hardly seen yet...Senderos is back up to Vlaar / Okore, Lescott would have to go anywhere as 1st choice

It's the same every summer and january. It also happens frequently that the other teams causing such jealous feelings end up getting relegated – see QPR and Fulham off the top of my head. I do think people like to wind themselves up on here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2014, 11:28:09 AM
Quote from: Rolta on June 18, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 18, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.

How exactly did we 'allow' him to sign for them and if it's typical when was the last time it happened?

It's going to be a long old summer if everytime someone else signs or looks like signing a player we go into apoplexy over it.

For what it's worth I suspect PL wouldn't look to invest circa 50k a week in a position that he had a first choice p'ship 9 months ago that he has hardly seen yet...Senderos is back up to Vlaar / Okore, Lescott would have to go anywhere as 1st choice

It's the same every summer and january. It also happens frequently that the other teams causing such jealous feelings end up getting relegated – see QPR and Fulham off the top of my head. I do think people like to wind themselves up on here.

It happens everywhere, probably less so here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: Rolta on June 18, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 18, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up. Player available on a free. Exactly what we currently need. Sign someone else and allow him to sign for local rivals.

Brilliant.

How exactly did we 'allow' him to sign for them and if it's typical when was the last time it happened?

It's going to be a long old summer if everytime someone else signs or looks like signing a player we go into apoplexy over it.

For what it's worth I suspect PL wouldn't look to invest circa 50k a week in a position that he had a first choice p'ship 9 months ago that he has hardly seen yet...Senderos is back up to Vlaar / Okore, Lescott would have to go anywhere as 1st choice

It's the same every summer and january. It also happens frequently that the other teams causing such jealous feelings end up getting relegated – see QPR and Fulham off the top of my head. I do think people like to wind themselves up on here.

This is a very specific case of us signing a centre-back on a free-transfer and then a couple of weeks later, a better one being closely linked to our nearest rivals.  It's not apoplexy it's just sheer frustration.

My 'typical' comment was more an observation that when signings this obvious rear their head, we very rarely take them. Same as taking Barry back last season.

As for Okore, we're putting an awful lot of faith in a very young player with very little experience.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:31:54 AM
And to clarify what I meant by "allowing" them to sign him, I'm working on the premise that the only way he'd sign for Albion instead of us was by being offered a better deal there. Therefore we're "allowing him to sign for them" by not matching their offer. Again, obviously based on the event of him actually going there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2014, 11:33:47 AM
Albion should have wages to sign players with, they've let all of theirs go. A bit like Blues (and Sunderland).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 18, 2014, 11:37:40 AM
I'm not that bothered about Lescott at all. If we hadn't already signed Senderos than maybe, but we wouldn't sign Lescott on his wages and then have him playing back up to Vlaar and Okore. And neither Vlaar or Okore would be happy playing back up either

You can't have endless players for the same position whether they're on a free or not

We have to sort out far more pressing areas than CB right now

Owner
Manager
Left back
Creative midfielder

for a start

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 18, 2014, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:31:54 AM
And to clarify what I meant by "allowing" them to sign him, I'm working on the premise that the only way he'd sign for Albion instead of us was by being offered a better deal there. Therefore we're "allowing him to sign for them" by not matching their offer. Again, obviously based on the event of him actually going there.

That's also assuming we even want him. He can't choose them over us if we aren't interested in him can he ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:31:54 AM
And to clarify what I meant by "allowing" them to sign him, I'm working on the premise that the only way he'd sign for Albion instead of us was by being offered a better deal there. Therefore we're "allowing him to sign for them" by not matching their offer. Again, obviously based on the event of him actually going there.

We went for the cheaper option on Senderos, and ended up with a player known for his injuries and gaffes. Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to get the better players you have to pay the going rate in wages, and that's why he won't be playing in claret and blue next season.
Typical Villa over the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2014, 11:41:12 AM
I think Creative Midfield and Midfield Terrier are the 2 most important positions to fill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
We had the 4th worst defensive record in the league last season. The 3 worse than us were relegated. I'd say that Centre-back was a failry high priority.  I'd also say that signing one that was discarded from one of those 3 aforementioned teams isn't much of a solution.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:31:54 AM
And to clarify what I meant by "allowing" them to sign him, I'm working on the premise that the only way he'd sign for Albion instead of us was by being offered a better deal there. Therefore we're "allowing him to sign for them" by not matching their offer. Again, obviously based on the event of him actually going there.

We went for the cheaper option on Senderos, and ended up with a player known for his injuries and gaffes. Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages, and that's why he won't be playing in claret and blue next season.
Typical Villa over the last 4 years.


It's not just the last 4 years though. it goes all the way back to bulking (allegedly) at the extra £500,000 that Wolves wanted for Robbie Keane. When you think about how much cash we've flushed down the toilet on the likes of Stephen Ireland since then, I think it's relatively fair to call it "typical" of Villa when we appear to be letting a player who would drastically improve us join one of our rivals instead of us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.

You get what you pay for in life. That's why we've struggled over the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 18, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
I'd say that two full backs who can actually do their primary job of defending should be top of the list...not one of ours is defensively sound.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:57:59 AM
It’s “typical” of Villa to be generally stumbling around in the dark when it comes to any kind of transfer policy. Yes, we've bought some very good players over the years. Yes, we’ve also found a few bargains, and even made handsome profit on some of our signings. But the way that we’ve toed and froed with our spending over the years is ridiculous. From the likes of Gregory and McLeish throwing money and aging players with little shelf-life and no resale value, to MON failing to acknowledge any league outside of the UK.  Even under Randy’s stewardship, the shift from Mon to Houllier to Lambert (who has now been forced to completely change tack in his approach to the transfer market) has been seriously badly managed by the powers that be. In fact it doesn't smack of bad longer-term planning, it smacks of no longer terms planning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 18, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
We had the 4th worst defensive record in the league last season. The 3 worse than us were relegated. I'd say that Centre-back was a failry high priority.  I'd also say that signing one that was discarded from one of those 3 aforementioned teams isn't much of a solution.
I wouldn't say Senderos was discarded particularly. His deal ran out and he was probably earning more at Fulham than what we're currently paying him, so he was never going to get offered a new deal. They'll need to drastically slash their wage bill too.
They were also a mess last season. 3 different managers, so it goes without saying, not all of them were going to fancy him. Magath let him go, but he was still deemed good enough for Valencia.

Whether we were ever genuinely interested in Lescott I don't know, but if there was a choice, we've chosen between a 29 year old asking for 25k a week for two years, and a 31 yr old who would want twice that at the very least, and may well be holding out for a longer deal too.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.

You get what you pay for in life. That's why we've struggled over the last 4 years.
Never mind.

A German literature-themed punathon was bound to be more difficult than a nautical one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
I can see the logic Supertom, if Senderos was likely to be fit! Vlaar is not exactly renowned for his rock solid fitness record and Okore has just had one of the worst possible injuries a footballer can have. We had the 4th worst defence, which was even worse the season before. We are drastically short of quality at the back. Lescott is not a great centre half at all, but he is better than what we have. Senderos is possible decent on his day but error prone.

If it is a decision that allows us to still sign a genuine physical presence in holding midfield, something we are desperate for, then great. If we go into the season with the same left back situation and holding midfield situation as we have now, then frankly we are truly buggered. It is only 18th June thankfully and there is time for 3-4 more players to come in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.

You get what you pay for in life. That's why we've struggled over the last 4 years.
Never mind.

A German literature-themed punathon was bound to be more difficult than a nautical one.

Punathons are for bores.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

It is typical that we've gone for the cheaper option. Well certainly typical of the last few years anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 18, 2014, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
I can see the logic Supertom, if Senderos was likely to be fit! Vlaar is not exactly renowned for his rock solid fitness record and Okore has just had one of the worst possible injuries a footballer can have. We had the 4th worst defence, which was even worse the season before. We are drastically short of quality at the back. Lescott is not a great centre half at all, but he is better than what we have. Senderos is possible decent on his day but error prone.

If it is a decision that allows us to still sign a genuine physical presence in holding midfield, something we are desperate for, then great. If we go into the season with the same left back situation and holding midfield situation as we have now, then frankly we are truly buggered. It is only 18th June thankfully and there is time for 3-4 more players to come in.
I think sorting our midfield will go a long way to helping out our defence. We put too much pressure on the backline by having no defensive presence in midfield, and also piss poor ball retention. We spend most of our matches on the back foot.

As things stand central defence is reasonable. I'd be identifying 1-2 more midfielders and a couple of good fullbacks. Again, fullback has been a major weakness for us too. I thought Vlaar had a good season. Clark had an okay season largely too, Baker wasn't good, but I think thats down to his ability, which isn't Prem level. But I think most of our problems last season stemmed from a midfield that gave in like warm butter and poor fullbacks, and not so much through the middle of the defence who at times just about managed to hold us together in games (particularly in the first half of the season).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2014, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.

You get what you pay for in life. That's why we've struggled over the last 4 years.
Never mind.

A German literature-themed punathon was bound to be more difficult than a nautical one.

Punathons are for bores.
We're very sorry that we don't live up to the high standards of permanent grumpiness that you expect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 18, 2014, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.

You get what you pay for in life. That's why we've struggled over the last 4 years.
Never mind.

A German literature-themed punathon was bound to be more difficult than a nautical one.

Punathons are for bores.

Quite right; whenever you get a thread like this, why have one pun when a tunnel do?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
I am very grumpy today to be fair. I would hate to be this grumpy everyday though. Must be torture.


If Lescott does go to Albion, it does suggest to me Lambert is even more hamstrung financially than we all feared, which still makes no sense with the new TV money coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I think you need to re-read my comment Dave. I wrote "It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up". I would say that our poor transfer dealings are fairly frequent and therefore relatively typical of us as a club under the current ownership and management.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 18, 2014, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

It is typical that we've gone for the cheaper option. Well certainly typical of the last few years anyway.
In fairness to Senderos though, in recent years I don't think he's been any more error prone than Lescott. Lescott tends to get niggly injuries too. He's definitely not the player he once was, and has never really recaptured his Everton form for City.
He would still improve us, but I also believe Senderos will improve us and for significantly less.
If we're going to pay a bit more for a player at this time, I'd rather give 50-60k to Barry than Lescott. Sort the midfield out and you go a long way toward making the defence and the attack better in one. We had probably one of the most piss poor midfields in the top flight last season. Delph was all too often carrying the can single handed while the rest just disappeared. 

Whether we're still willing to pay 50-60k for a player of course, remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 18, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
The current transfer dealings are really making me want to renew my season ticket......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
I am very grumpy today to be fair. I would hate to be this grumpy everyday though. Must be torture.


If Lescott does go to Albion, it does suggest to me Lambert is even more hamstrung financially than we all feared, which still makes no sense with the new TV money coming in.

Well Lescott won't be coming here now we've signed the cheaper option in Senderos.
Sadly this is the way it'll be till Lerner finds a buyer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I think you need to re-read my comment Dave. I wrote "It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up". I would say that our poor transfer dealings are fairly frequent and therefore relatively typical of us as a club under the current ownership and management.

Yet the one example you mentioned was three decades ago. Our transfer deals aren't perfect, and neither are those of any other club, but they're certainly not the litany of disaster you claim them to be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 18, 2014, 12:27:19 PM
In fairness to Senderos though, in recent years I don't think he's been any more error prone than Lescott.

Since leaving Arsenal in 2010 Senderos has only really managed about 50 games for Fulham and a handful of games during various loan deals. Lescott may not have played much last season but there's a big difference between being on the bench for the most highly paid sports team on the planet and not being valued by a struggling Fulham team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I think you need to re-read my comment Dave. I wrote "It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up". I would say that our poor transfer dealings are fairly frequent and therefore relatively typical of us as a club under the current ownership and management.

Yet the one example you mentioned was three decades ago. Our transfer deals aren't perfect, and neither are those of any other club, but they're certainly not the litany of disaster you claim them to be.

Yet our performance both on the field and in the boardroom would certainly suggest that they are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I think you need to re-read my comment Dave. I wrote "It's just a typical Villa transfer fuck-up". I would say that our poor transfer dealings are fairly frequent and therefore relatively typical of us as a club under the current ownership and management.

Yet the one example you mentioned was three decades ago. Our transfer deals aren't perfect, and neither are those of any other club, but they're certainly not the litany of disaster you claim them to be.

Yet our performance both on the field and in the boardroom would certainly suggest that they are.

There are other reasons for that, not least the inconsistent managerial policy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:37:52 PM
I don't really know if we'd actually need Lescott now. Having signed Senderos, and with Okore coming back and assuming Vlaar stays, maybe we've got enough there.

It's not Lescott going to Albion or Hull *now* that worries me, it is that - thus far - we're still to see any evidence that we're not fishing in the same shitty pool we were fishing in last summer.

We'll see who else we sign, but I've got a gnawing feeling that, with Randy having played the "trying to sell it, not going to be spending" card, Senderos and Cole are going to turn out to be a good indicator of our transfer policy.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 18, 2014, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
We had the 4th worst defensive record in the league last season. The 3 worse than us were relegated. I'd say that Centre-back was a failry high priority.  I'd also say that signing one that was discarded from one of those 3 aforementioned teams isn't much of a solution.

we've already signed TWO in effect. Okore and Senderos

half the reason our defence is so poor is obviously the midfield shape and the tactics chosen by the current manager
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I don't really care too much on their spending policy, but it's worth noting that Lambert himself came out and said he tried to get Lukaku in on loan, but wages were the problem (he actually specified this).

Lukaku then went on to join Albion.

I think you're right re their usual tightness, however I do start to wonder just how tight the restrictions are when a player we can't afford the wages for goes on to sign for Albion, who obviously are willing to pay the wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I don't really care too much on their spending policy, but it's worth note that Lambert himself came out and said he tried to get Lukaku in on loan, but wages were the problem (he actually specified this).

Lukaku then went on to join Albion.

I think you're right re their usual tightness, however I do start to wonder just how tight the restrictions are when a player we can't afford the wages for goes on to sign for Albion, who obviously are willing to pay the wages.

Because he was their only signing whereas Lambert wanted him and Benteke together maybe?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
There are other reasons for that, not least the inconsistent managerial policy.

True, but I do honestly believe that our transfer- policy (or lack of one) is our major downfall.

In the current game I think our peers are (or at least should be) Tottenham and Everton. I genuinely believe that it's been the consistency of their transfer strategies that have kept them both comfortably above us in recent times. They both get cherry-picked by the Top Clubs, as we do, but sensibly re-invest instead of going into meltdown when this happens.

Their buying is also very balanced. They don't go through summers of buying just kids, or just experienced pros, or just unknown foreign players, like we do.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
So it's not typical at all - in fact, it's never happened before. Whoever Lescott signs for, none of us know which one of the many reasons for making his decision was the one why he didn't join us, if indeed we were after him in the first place.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that if he is Stripeybound then either money doesn't matter to him or they've broken a tradition for parsimony dating back to the 1880s.

I don't really care too much on their spending policy, but it's worth note that Lambert himself came out and said he tried to get Lukaku in on loan, but wages were the problem (he actually specified this).

Lukaku then went on to join Albion.

I think you're right re their usual tightness, however I do start to wonder just how tight the restrictions are when a player we can't afford the wages for goes on to sign for Albion, who obviously are willing to pay the wages.

Because he was their only signing whereas Lambert wanted him and Benteke together maybe?

He wasn't their only signing, though. He did want to play him with Benteke, but Benteke won't have been on big money when he first moved here.

Wage affordability will always take into account the other players on the pay roll, obviously, but I dunno, it disturbs me when I see us being downbeat about players we can't afford going on to play for a club as tight as Albion.

Every window we get at least one occasion of Lambert talking about how we can't afford this player or that, and how tight the wage bill is. It just makes me wonder whether we're ever going to hear anyone at the club talk about us showing ambition, or indeed signing players that show ambition.

It's the sort of "no money, going nowhere but down eventually" mood that we had in 2006.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on June 18, 2014, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 18, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
Lescott would have been ideal for our team but to Goethe better players you have to pay the going rate in wages
But then we're back in the Faustian contracts of the O'Neill era.

You get what you pay for in life. That's why we've struggled over the last 4 years.
Disagree fundamentally with this. That's why I consider O'Neill to have ultimately been a failure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 18, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Senderos or Lescott?

At this stage of their careers, not a great deal of difference . 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
There are other reasons for that, not least the inconsistent managerial policy.

True, but I do honestly believe that our transfer- policy (or lack of one) is our major downfall.

In the current game I think our peers are (or at least should be) Tottenham and Everton. I genuinely believe that it's been the consistency of their transfer strategies that have kept them both comfortably above us in recent times. They both get cherry-picked by the Top Clubs, as we do, but sensibly re-invest instead of going into meltdown when this happens.

Their buying is also very balanced. They don't go through summers of buying just kids, or just experienced pros, or just unknown foreign players, like we do.

They also understand that players aren't just "single use" objects that walk away for nothing once you're done with them, too.

We have done an awful job of protecting the value of the squad, managing contracts effectively, over the last eight years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:50:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
There are other reasons for that, not least the inconsistent managerial policy.

True, but I do honestly believe that our transfer- policy (or lack of one) is our major downfall.

In the current game I think our peers are (or at least should be) Tottenham and Everton. I genuinely believe that it's been the consistency of their transfer strategies that have kept them both comfortably above us in recent times. They both get cherry-picked by the Top Clubs, as we do, but sensibly re-invest instead of going into meltdown when this happens.

Their buying is also very balanced. They don't go through summers of buying just kids, or just experienced pros, or just unknown foreign players, like we do.

I agree totally - we go from one extreme to the other in everything. Darren Bent, for example, has to have the team built around him yet he's had three managers all with different philosophies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 18, 2014, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on June 18, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Senderos or Lescott?

At this stage of their careers, not a great deal of difference . 

The only positive is Senderos is 29 and Lescott is 31.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: glasses on June 18, 2014, 12:54:59 PM
FWIW

Albion fan I work with who hears a lot of things at the club gets the feeling it's smoke in mirrors re Lescott.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:50:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
There are other reasons for that, not least the inconsistent managerial policy.

True, but I do honestly believe that our transfer- policy (or lack of one) is our major downfall.

In the current game I think our peers are (or at least should be) Tottenham and Everton. I genuinely believe that it's been the consistency of their transfer strategies that have kept them both comfortably above us in recent times. They both get cherry-picked by the Top Clubs, as we do, but sensibly re-invest instead of going into meltdown when this happens.

Their buying is also very balanced. They don't go through summers of buying just kids, or just experienced pros, or just unknown foreign players, like we do.

I agree totally - we go from one extreme to the other in everything. Darren Bent, for example, has to have the team built around him yet he's had three managers all with different philosophies.

The real point at which we screwed this up was the McLeish appointment.

The Houllier year hadn't been much fun (although it was like 24 hours in the Playboy mansion with endless women and booze compared to the last couple), but if we had had someone with a glimmer of football nous making decisions at that point, they'd have realised we had the chance to bring in some continuity and build on the positives of that year.

Instead we got the absolute opposite.

I think the thing that gets missed about the McLeish appointment is that, really, all that Blues stuff is a sideshow, as is - in some ways - his poor record, the real stupid mistake was the fact that we did the one thing which sent us straight back to square one - different manager with a totally different style, threw away the work done.

Doing that meant that the Houllier year just became an expensive mistake which set us back, when we could have used it as a springboard and, who knows, built on it to get back to being top six challengers rather than sinking into the abyss.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
There are other reasons for that, not least the inconsistent managerial policy.

True, but I do honestly believe that our transfer- policy (or lack of one) is our major downfall.

In the current game I think our peers are (or at least should be) Tottenham and Everton. I genuinely believe that it's been the consistency of their transfer strategies that have kept them both comfortably above us in recent times. They both get cherry-picked by the Top Clubs, as we do, but sensibly re-invest instead of going into meltdown when this happens.

Their buying is also very balanced. They don't go through summers of buying just kids, or just experienced pros, or just unknown foreign players, like we do.

They also understand that players aren't just "single use" objects that walk away for nothing once you're done with them, too.

We have done an awful job of protecting the value of the squad, managing contracts effectively, over the last eight years.

Exactly. The bomb-squad debacle is just purely embarrassing, but even going back to MON's reign the number of expensive and highly paid players that were not played and allowed to leave for free (Sidwell, NRC, Davies, etc) is absolutely frightening.

Historically there are load more examples of this. Collymore, Curcic, Alpay, to name but a few. For every "good signing" we've made (in the full sense) I reckon there are probably at least 3 abject failures.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on June 18, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
McCleish appontment still has me buggered, apart from willing to work on a shoestring for me the appointment lost the last little bit of faith i had that the powers that be new anything about running a football club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on June 18, 2014, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Agree with this, if he had bought his targets to the club things would have been very different, still think he was a very good manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

We went from a possible midfield of Bradley, Makoun and Cabeye to Chris Herd and Jermaine Jenas in the blink of an eye. I'll never forget (or forgive) him for playing Heskey and hutton as wingers away at Spurs and then looking to shut-up-shop at 2-0 down.

Hmmm, maybe things aren't that bad as it stands...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Agree entirely, and even if he couldn't much longer the next bloke should have been of the same type. Disastrously it wasn't. Who knows, very hypothetically speaking but had Houllier gone another year and stepped away, the next bloke in could very well have been Martinez given the timing of everything. How very, very different things would have looked.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
I'll never forget (or forgive) him for playing Heskey and hutton as wingers away at Spurs and then looking to shut-up-shop at 2-0 down.

This will sound like hyperbole, but I genuinely believe it, the way he set us up so negatively at Spurs made me more embarrassed to be a Villa fan than I have ever been before. I've seen plenty of shit Villa sides and terrible results, but the way we didn't even pretend we were going to try in that match was just humiliating.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Agree entirely, and even if he couldn't much longer the next bloke should have been of the same type. Disastrously it wasn't. Who knows, very hypothetically speaking but had Houllier gone another year and stepped away, the next bloke in could very well have been Martinez given the timing of everything. How very, very different things would have looked.

The irony is, at the time when Martinez was mentioned, a lot of us - most of us, in fact - were extremely underwhelmed.

In our defence, if you'd told us who was going to get the job at the time of that Martinez link, I genuinely don't think a single person on here would have believed it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on June 18, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Looking back it seems Houllier's illness was a convenience. They were unwilling to fund his plans so getting rid of him and bringing in a bloke willing to do as he was told made the cuts easier and gave them a convenient scapegoat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 18, 2014, 01:21:14 PM

Curtis Davies has to go down as one of the more barmy transfer sages.

He looked decent but nowhere near 10m worth at the time. But instead of keeping him and letting him develop we sold for some ridiculously low fee (not to mention that whole, we wont play him because of a wage increase clause true or not) and now he's started to look a quality defender again and valued around 8m

Shit for brains decision once again



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 18, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Well I couldn't stand Houllier so won't be looking back at his season with any fondness. The fact he was replaced by McLeish was the equivalent of being kicked when you were down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 18, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Looking back it seems Houllier's illness was a convenience. They were unwilling to fund his plans so getting rid of him and bringing in a bloke willing to do as he was told made the cuts easier and gave them a convenient scapegoat.

I think that when someone normally positive like you, Chris, believes this, then the club really has "lost it" in many ways.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 18, 2014, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 18, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Looking back it seems Houllier's illness was a convenience. They were unwilling to fund his plans so getting rid of him and bringing in a bloke willing to do as he was told made the cuts easier and gave them a convenient scapegoat.

How long was his contract and how much did he cost to pay off along with MacAllister?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Agree entirely, and even if he couldn't much longer the next bloke should have been of the same type. Disastrously it wasn't. Who knows, very hypothetically speaking but had Houllier gone another year and stepped away, the next bloke in could very well have been Martinez given the timing of everything. How very, very different things would have looked.

The irony is, at the time when Martinez was mentioned, a lot of us - most of us, in fact - were extremely underwhelmed.

In our defence, if you'd told us who was going to get the job at the time of that Martinez link, I genuinely don't think a single person on here would have believed it.

Weeks after getting the job I didn't believe it
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 18, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Looking back it seems Houllier's illness was a convenience. They were unwilling to fund his plans so getting rid of him and bringing in a bloke willing to do as he was told made the cuts easier and gave them a convenient scapegoat.

That's exactly how I see it Chris.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 18, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
One summer of Houllier and things could have been so different.

Looking back it seems Houllier's illness was a convenience. They were unwilling to fund his plans so getting rid of him and bringing in a bloke willing to do as he was told made the cuts easier and gave them a convenient scapegoat.

That's not true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2014, 01:56:30 PM
I'm surprised this thread has gone in the direction it has because the Stripeyfilth might be signing Lescott. If they do, then fair play to them but it also could be possible that they're trying to appease their fans after the response of the Irvine appointment. If Lescott goes to Hull for instance, well at least they tried St Jeremy will say.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 12:37:52 PM
I don't really know if we'd actually need Lescott now. Having signed Senderos, and with Okore coming back and assuming Vlaar stays, maybe we've got enough there.

I agree. It's the midfield that seriously needs addressing now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
I'll never forget (or forgive) him for playing Heskey and hutton as wingers away at Spurs and then looking to shut-up-shop at 2-0 down.

This will sound like hyperbole, but I genuinely believe it, the way he set us up so negatively at Spurs made me more embarrassed to be a Villa fan than I have ever been before. I've seen plenty of shit Villa sides and terrible results, but the way we didn't even pretend we were going to try in that match was just humiliating.


I completely agree. I was late into the ground that night, and had been for a pint with a Spurs supporting mate beforehand, so had no idea of the line-up until they came out. I remember it getting to about 15 minutes in before it fully sunk in exactly how we were set-up.

The thing that struck me most was that Kyle Walker was rampaging forward (past Heskey) for them at right-back, and Younes Kaboul was winning absolutely every ball that we launched forward towards Gabby. It seemed to me like the most obvious thing in the world to switch them over but it never happened. Unfortunately that game will live long in the memory for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

It's like popping down the off licence for a bottle of Nuits-Saint-Georges, then on being told they're out of stock, buying a six-pack of lime-flavoured Bacardi Breezers. And a packet of scratchings.

The only explanation is that our he must have been doing meth or something that weekend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 18, 2014, 02:44:30 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
I'll never forget (or forgive) him for playing Heskey and hutton as wingers away at Spurs and then looking to shut-up-shop at 2-0 down.

This will sound like hyperbole, but I genuinely believe it, the way he set us up so negatively at Spurs made me more embarrassed to be a Villa fan than I have ever been before. I've seen plenty of shit Villa sides and terrible results, but the way we didn't even pretend we were going to try in that match was just humiliating.


I completely agree. I was late into the ground that night, and had been for a pint with a Spurs supporting mate beforehand, so had no idea of the line-up until they came out. I remember it getting to about 15 minutes in before it fully sunk in exactly how we were set-up.

The thing that struck me most was that Kyle Walker was rampaging forward (past Heskey) for them at right-back, and Younes Kaboul was winning absolutely every ball that we launched forward towards Gabby. It seemed to me like the most obvious thing in the world to switch them over but it never happened. Unfortunately that game will live long in the memory for me.
I'm undecided as to whether that game was the most painful, or the final day against Norwich. The weight of relegation had been lifted the previous week. We're at home. There's a chance to at the very least to come out positively and at least try to entertain the fans, maybe blood a few youngsters. But then I think McLeish played something like 7 defenders that day, more if you include Heskey, being as he's a defensive forward (a term undoubtedly coined for Emile himself).
It was one last middle finger to the fans by McLeish and as dire a send off to his Villa career as you could imagine. Horrible stuff.
Thoroughly beaten by an average Norwich, and firmly in damage limitation mode once again, as we had been for most of the season. If the club was a farm animal we'd have been taken to some quiet shed and put out of our misery that day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!

That's a bit of an urban myth as well. It's closer to say he talked himself out of the job.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

It's like popping down the off licence for a bottle of Nuits-Saint-Georges, then on being told they're out of stock, buying a six-pack of lime-flavoured Bacardi Breezers. And a packet of scratchings.

The only explanation is that our he must have been doing meth or something that weekend.

He decided he owed Wigan, just the same as the decision he made when Liverpool came calling. In the end his patience was justified, he won the FA Cup and is now in a very good place at Everton. Sometimes doing what everyone else thinks is obvious isn't the right decision.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!

That's a bit of an urban myth as well. It's closer to say he talked himself out of the job.

You mean Mclaren talked himself out of the job?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 03:12:54 PM
And if so, in which accent...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2014, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!

That's a bit of an urban myth as well. It's closer to say he talked himself out of the job.

The absolutely most believable thing posted on this entire thread is that Schteve talked himself out of the job. He really does strike me as the kind of bloke you'd come out of a meeting with and say "He was a bit of a wanker, wasn't he?"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2014, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!

That's a bit of an urban myth as well. It's closer to say he talked himself out of the job.

The absolutely most believable thing posted on this entire thread is that Schteve talked himself out of the job. He really does strike me as the kind of bloke you'd come out of a meeting with and say "He was a bit of a wanker, wasn't he?"

His permanently smug expression doesn't do him any favours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

It's like popping down the off licence for a bottle of Nuits-Saint-Georges, then on being told they're out of stock, buying a six-pack of lime-flavoured Bacardi Breezers. And a packet of scratchings.

The only explanation is that our he must have been doing meth or something that weekend.

He decided he owed Wigan, just the same as the decision he made when Liverpool came calling. In the end his patience was justified, he won the FA Cup and is now in a very good place at Everton. Sometimes doing what everyone else thinks is obvious isn't the right decision.

I meant Randy!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

It's like popping down the off licence for a bottle of Nuits-Saint-Georges, then on being told they're out of stock, buying a six-pack of lime-flavoured Bacardi Breezers. And a packet of scratchings.

The only explanation is that our he must have been doing meth or something that weekend.

He decided he owed Wigan, just the same as the decision he made when Liverpool came calling. In the end his patience was justified, he won the FA Cup and is now in a very good place at Everton. Sometimes doing what everyone else thinks is obvious isn't the right decision.

I meant Randy!

I was making a general observation about Martinez. I imagine Randy was disappointed but that he understood people make all kinds if decisions. He wouldn't have taken it personally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on June 18, 2014, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2014, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!

That's a bit of an urban myth as well. It's closer to say he talked himself out of the job.

The absolutely most believable thing posted on this entire thread is that Schteve talked himself out of the job. He really does strike me as the kind of bloke you'd come out of a meeting with and say "He was a bit of a wanker, wasn't he?"

I heard a rumor that we were after McLeish months before we appointed him – from around the time of their league cup win. It was a terrible appointment all round, but you could see a (silly) man justifying it to himself by thinking McLeish had done well to get the blues mid-table and in winning a cup. I hated that terrible year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 03:40:12 PM
Every time I've ever heard McLeish talk- even way before he joined Villa- was that I could never imagine him being able to motivate a player, he was that monotonous and boring. I would love to get hold of a recording of the job interview that persuaded Paul Faulkner and Randy otherwise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MarkM on June 18, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 03:40:12 PM
Every time I've ever heard McLeish talk- even way before he joined Villa- was that I could never imagine him being able to motivate a player, he was that monotonous and boring. I would love to get hold of a recording of the job interview that persuaded Paul Faulkner and Randy otherwise.

Probably done via text message
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 18, 2014, 08:31:31 PM
Mcliesh was a bad all round decision,
but the fella hadn't said a bad word against us, suppose the pay off helped, but even so he must have had opportunities for a few little digs

I hated him being our manager, but like and respect him as a person
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 18, 2014, 08:37:30 PM
Re the Mcleish appointment , I can imagine Lerner and Faulkner having some weird bet like the 2 old boys in Trading Places. It was a nonsensical decision on all levels
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on June 18, 2014, 08:50:19 PM
I always thought they used a Ouija Board.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2014, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 18, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
I'd love to know what was going through Randy's mind after Martinez opted to stay at Wigan. I know he's not exactly football-savvy, but I still can't believe what he went and did.

Regardless of it being a poor football decision when supporters were so vocally (and artistically) against it it became a terrible business decision. It was made even more bizarre by the fact that the club were apparently scared-off holding talks with Steve McLaren because of supporter reaction, but then went ahead and appointment Mcleish regardless!

That's a bit of an urban myth as well. It's closer to say he talked himself out of the job.

The absolutely most believable thing posted on this entire thread is that Schteve talked himself out of the job. He really does strike me as the kind of bloke you'd come out of a meeting with and say "He was a bit of a wanker, wasn't he?"

He probably tried conducting the whole interview in some weird attempt at the Brummie accent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on June 18, 2014, 09:12:46 PM
Some of these fecking goalkeepers need to take up boxing.

Sorry wrong thread.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Weedy on June 19, 2014, 12:21:16 AM
Lescott for Albion?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2661234/Joleon-Lescott-set-sign-West-Brom-Alan-Irvines-signing.html

I'd sooner have him than Senderos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2014, 12:54:04 AM
Different scenario. We spent 4 million on Okore and picked up Senderos to improve our depth. Is the extra wages Lescott demands worth it? On balance, probably not. If funds are limited then the midfield needs the most attention. N'Zogbia and Cole should make us more creative, but the lack of cover our back four gets is a massive weakness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2014, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 18, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Well I couldn't stand Houllier so won't be looking back at his season with any fondness. The fact he was replaced by McLeish was the equivalent of being kicked when you were down.

I felt pretty much the same at the time and was not sad to see him go, but seeing what has followed since (hindsight is of course a great benefit) we probably should have kept Houllier on for the start of the following season at least.  Even if his health wasn't good enough for him to manage the team, employing him in a role such as Director of Football might have worked.  Looking back, I think he had identified those that needed to be shipped out that summer (Ireland, Dunne etc.) and if rumours are to be believed, had plans to bring in some quality players.

The appointment of McLeish as his successor has to be the single worst decision made at the club in the thirty years I have been going.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2014, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 18, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Well I couldn't stand Houllier so won't be looking back at his season with any fondness. The fact he was replaced by McLeish was the equivalent of being kicked when you were down.

I felt pretty much the same at the time and was not sad to see him go, but seeing what has followed since (hindsight is of course a great benefit) we probably should have kept Houllier on for the start of the following season at least.  Even if his health wasn't good enough for him to manage the team, employing him in a role such as Director of Football might have worked.  Looking back, I think he had identified those that needed to be shipped out that summer (Ireland, Dunne etc.) and if rumours are to be believed, had plans to bring in some quality players.

The appointment of McLeish as his successor has to be the single worst decision made at the club in the thirty years I have been going.   

Yes I agree with that now. Houllier's problem is a) he followed MON directly so expectations were still of top 6 finishes and b) we actually still had a very good squad that season so fighting a relegation battle was massively underachievement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2014, 10:01:57 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2014, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 18, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Well I couldn't stand Houllier so won't be looking back at his season with any fondness. The fact he was replaced by McLeish was the equivalent of being kicked when you were down.

I felt pretty much the same at the time and was not sad to see him go, but seeing what has followed since (hindsight is of course a great benefit) we probably should have kept Houllier on for the start of the following season at least.  Even if his health wasn't good enough for him to manage the team, employing him in a role such as Director of Football might have worked.  Looking back, I think he had identified those that needed to be shipped out that summer (Ireland, Dunne etc.) and if rumours are to be believed, had plans to bring in some quality players.

The appointment of McLeish as his successor has to be the single worst decision made at the club in the thirty years I have been going.   

Yes I agree with that now. Houllier's problem is a) he followed MON directly so expectations were still of top 6 finishes and b) we actually still had a very good squad that season so fighting a relegation battle was massively underachievement.

Yep

If you look at our "expectations" both in terms of what we saw as achievable on the pitch, as well as the way the club acted off the pitch, when Houllier took over and compare them to the way things are now, then it is pretty hard to believe that such a change took place over the course of only three or four years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
In mitigation Houllier had a truly appalling amount of injuries in the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2014, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
In mitigation Houllier had a truly appalling amount of injuries in the squad.

And we actually managed to finish ninth, which is amazing.

I know, I know, the table doesn't lie etc etc, but that was the most flattering final league finish I've seen in a while, it was a tough old season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2014, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2014, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
In mitigation Houllier had a truly appalling amount of injuries in the squad.

And we actually managed to finish ninth, which is amazing.

I know, I know, the table doesn't lie etc etc, but that was the most flattering final league finish I've seen in a while, it was a tough old season.

We were right in it until winning away against Arsenal in the penultimate game. Blues meanwhile lost at home to Fulham and for the first time all season I thought 'they could actually go down, they need something from Tottenham away'. We then won at home to Liverpool, but nobody cared as we were all looking out for the Blues score. They didn't disappoint.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AV82EC on June 19, 2014, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2014, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
In mitigation Houllier had a truly appalling amount of injuries in the squad.

And we actually managed to finish ninth, which is amazing.

I know, I know, the table doesn't lie etc etc, but that was the most flattering final league finish I've seen in a while, it was a tough old season.

Yep we were 14th I think going into the final day then every result above us went our way in about 5 games and we ended up 9th.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 20, 2014, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Weedy on June 19, 2014, 12:21:16 AM
Lescott for Albion?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2661234/Joleon-Lescott-set-sign-West-Brom-Alan-Irvines-signing.html

I'd sooner have him than Senderos.

That's a real shitter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Albion finally sign Lescott.
Can't believe we've allowed that to happen as he's just what we need at the back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Albion finally sign Lescott.
Can't believe we've allowed that to happen as he's just what we need at the back.

How have we "allowed it to happen"?

What we were supposed to do to prevent it? Kidnap him? Nuke The Hawthorns?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Albion finally sign Lescott.
Can't believe we've allowed that to happen as he's just what we need at the back.

How have we "allowed it to happen"?

What we were supposed to do to prevent it? Kidnap him? Nuke The Hawthorns?

Erm, sign him? Offer the going rate for a defender as good as him, perhaps?
He was available and on a free transfer. We should have signed him, it's a simple as that, but yet again we went for the cheaper option.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:02:19 AM
Perhaps we weren't that interested in him?

Perhaps he didn't want to be third choice behind Vlaar and Okore?

Perhaps he particularly wanted to work with Alan Irvine (allegedly)?

Have all the other clubs who were interested in Lescott also "allowed this to happen."?

He's an OK defender in the latter stages of his career. It's hardly the end of the world and hardly a stick to beat our club with that we didn't sign him. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
We can just sign Lescott in a years time any way because he'll be in the Championship! ;) He's been poor for a couple of years now in all honesty and he's likely getting paid a fair wedge at 31 for them. I don't reckon it'll transpire that we're missing all that much. I know some may have said that Lescott could have covered left back, but his pace has completely deserted him now. He's got the turning circle of a milkvan now. No way would he be good at fullback now.

Senderos might not be brilliant but in recent years hasn't been any worse than Lescott. I'm also looking forward to seeing how Okore does.

West Brom are welcome to pay 50-60k for Lescott as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather pay 25k for Senderos and then devote more of our wage budget to our real problem area, which is an all but non-existent midfield. The vast majority of matches last season it was Delph running around while Westwood and KEA disappeared into the shadows of opposition players.

That said, if we don't get in a couple of reasonable midfielders, I will probably punch a whole through a wall.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:02:19 AM
Perhaps we weren't that interested in him?

Perhaps he didn't want to be third choice behind Vlaar and Okore?

Perhaps he particularly wanted to work with Alan Irvine (allegedly)?

Have all the other clubs who were interested in Lescott also "allowed this to happen."?

He's an OK defender in the latter stages of his career. It's hardly the end of the world and hardly a stick to beat our club with that we didn't sign him. 

I think the fact that we signed Senderos instead is. Whatever the reasoning, I doubt many (if any) of us would have preferred Senderos to Lescott given the choice a few weeks ago.

I sincerely doubt (and hope) that Paul Lambert wouldn't have done either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 11:39:20 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Albion finally sign Lescott.
Can't believe we've allowed that to happen as he's just what we need at the back.

How have we "allowed it to happen"?

What we were supposed to do to prevent it? Kidnap him? Nuke The Hawthorns?

Erm, sign him? Offer the going rate for a defender as good as him, perhaps?
He was available and on a free transfer. We should have signed him, it's a simple as that, but yet again we went for the cheaper option.


How do you know what we, or any other club, offered him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

In context he was at the club that won the title and the League Cup. Not being able to get into that side doesn't mean you are a bad player. When we played them the end of the season they brought on Jovetic (sp?) who had cost more than our entire team put together. Just an opinion but i think a fit Lescott would have been an ever present at at least 15 of the Prem clubs last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Xavi wants to leave Barcelona.


Just saying like... ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Xavi wants to leave Barcelona.


Just saying like... ;D

I'd like to wear Kelly Brook as a hat  :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

Hmm, whilst I agree to a point, it's worth noting that Lescott was warming the bench at Manchester City, where excellent players getting splinters in their arse is not unusual.

Plus, he made 24 appearances for them last season, so it's not like he was totally unused.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Xavi wants to leave Barcelona.


Just saying like... ;D

Totally past it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

Same here. Had it been that he had the choice between us and them and chose them, then that'd be worth the ire.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

I think not getting worked up about it is fair enough.

What worries me is that it's yet another sign that there's really not going to be much money there this summer, again. Given that most of us would have agreed at the end of last season that we needed a major infusion of talent - players better than our starters - we've got an awful lot of transfer work to be doing, and they need to be significantly better players than we've bought in recent windows.

Every time we see something like this, a sign or a suggestion that we're going to be shopping at Lidl for the foreseeable future, it all starts to look a bit more daunting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
All of the above being said, you just KNOW he's going to score for THEM in front of the Holte.

And then celebrate like it was the winner in the World Cup Final.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
Nick Mashiter from the E&S

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  32m
#avfc unable/unwilling to offer wages Lescott wanted, which weren't astronomical.

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  31m
But #avfc couldn't match #wba for wages for Lukaku loan two years ago so certainly wouldn't be able to beat them now.

And that says it all, really.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
All of the above being said, you just KNOW he's going to score for THEM in front of the Holte.

And then celebrate like it was the winner in the World Cup Final.

Instead of a last-minute consolation in a 5-1 defeat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2014, 11:48:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
Nick Mashiter from the E&S

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  32m
#avfc unable/unwilling to offer wages Lescott wanted, which weren't astronomical.

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  31m
But #avfc couldn't match #wba for wages for Lukaku loan two years ago so certainly wouldn't be able to beat them now.

And that says it all, really.

Indeed and not really acceptable at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
All of the above being said, you just KNOW he's going to score for THEM in front of the Holte.

And then celebrate like it was the winner in the World Cup Final.

Instead of a last-minute consolation in a 5-1 defeat.

It'll wipe the smile off his face when we go straight up the other end and nick a sixth. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 11:50:07 AM
I'm not going to get too worried yet. It'll be August time where we'll see (hopefully) the more ambitious signings. A couple of freebies in June doesn't necessarily set the tone for the window to come. We know our budget is tight. We know at some point we need to get a few out the door still too, but I think we'll see a couple of slightly more enticing signings coming our way.

If Lambert really does want us to play football, he knows we need new players. He's seriously got to address our midfield and also our fullbacks. Joe Cole's signing, whilst not earth shatteringly exciting, at least shows an intent to change our set up to a more modern way of playing and less airborne way of playing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2014, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
Nick Mashiter from the E&S

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  32m
#avfc unable/unwilling to offer wages Lescott wanted, which weren't astronomical.

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  31m
But #avfc couldn't match #wba for wages for Lukaku loan two years ago so certainly wouldn't be able to beat them now.

And that says it all, really.

Well, yes, but it could also be that we weren't willing to pay those wages for those two players because we didn't have the pressing need for them that Albiloan have.

Don't forget, instead of paying Lukaku's wages and loan fee, we signed Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 20, 2014, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
Nick Mashiter from the E&S

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  32m
#avfc unable/unwilling to offer wages Lescott wanted, which weren't astronomical.

Nick Mashiter ‏@nmashiter_star  31m
But #avfc couldn't match #wba for wages for Lukaku loan two years ago so certainly wouldn't be able to beat them now.

And that says it all, really.

Well, yes, but it could also be that we weren't willing to pay those wages for those two players because we didn't have the pressing need for them that Albiloan have.

Don't forget, instead of paying Lukaku's wages and loan fee, we signed Benteke.


Lambert said he wanted to sign them both, mind.

It'd be nice to see a sign of some ambition some time this summer, though. It can't just drag on like the last few years forever.

Can it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 12:04:38 PM
Lescott - and I wouldn't have minded him - strikes me as the sort of signing Doug would have made, namely a past-it big name on the cheap as a way of proving to the revolting peasants that we've got ambition.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
Don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on June 20, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Senderos and Cole are the lot for this summer.

We can't afford/won't pay the wages for any sort of ambitious signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 20, 2014, 12:12:30 PM
I'd have liked Lescott actually. It's a decent signing for them in fairness and i'm not sure he's past it quite yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 20, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Senderos and Cole are the lot for this summer.

If that were the case, I'd be down my local bookmaker with a sizeable sum of money on us to go down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 20, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 20, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Senderos and Cole are the lot for this summer.

If that were the case, I'd be down my local bookmaker with a sizeable sum of money on us to go down.

I think it will be too - maybe a loan. I would expect Lambert has been told he has £75-£100k a week to offer in wages in total. Cole and Senderos will have taken up half of that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

Same here. Had it been that he had the choice between us and them and chose them, then that'd be worth the ire.

For me it's more about the fact that we had the choice between Senderos and Lescott and went for Senderos!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 20, 2014, 12:29:18 PM
You can't guarantee Lescott will be a good signing for them (or for us, if we sign him). 

Hope he becomes their Winston Bogarde.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
In my opinion the point about Lescott is this; people keep saying that our midfield was our weak-spot last season. it wasn't, it was the centre-half position. Namely that we had to spend the majority of the season with either Baker or Clark inadequately playing in the left centre-back position.

So, at the end of the season, a player becomes available on a free transfer (and a boyhood Villa fan no-less) who plays in EXACTLY the same position and is SIGNIFICANTLY better. Requires no scouting. Absolutely no worry that he won't settle in the area.

I genuinely can't think of one signing or potential signing in recent history that's been more of a no-brainer than this, given our current predicament.

To bring Senderos in and "allow" (because as far as I'm concerned that's exactly what we've done) him to go to Albion is more frustrating than I can actually put into words.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:36:14 PM
Quote from: *shellac* on June 20, 2014, 12:29:18 PM
You can't guarantee Lescott will be a good signing for them (or for us, if we sign him). 

Hope he becomes their Winston Bogarde.

Of course it can't be guaranteed, but it's extremely likely that he'll be better than Clark, Baker and Senderos next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: glasses on June 20, 2014, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 12:04:38 PM
Lescott - and I wouldn't have minded him - strikes me as the sort of signing Doug would have made, namely a past-it big name on the cheap as a way of proving to the revolting peasants that we've got ambition.   
You mean like Joe Cole?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: glasses on June 20, 2014, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 12:04:38 PM
Lescott - and I wouldn't have minded him - strikes me as the sort of signing Doug would have made, namely a past-it big name on the cheap as a way of proving to the revolting peasants that we've got ambition.   
You mean like Joe Cole?

I was thinking more Schmeichel and Ginola. I'd never call Joe Cole a big name.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: glasses on June 20, 2014, 01:00:52 PM
The club currently seem to be treating him as that, Dave. Or at least marketting him in that way.

I wouldn't say Lescott is a Big name either to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on June 20, 2014, 01:01:59 PM
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, now that's a big name.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on June 20, 2014, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

Same here. Had it been that he had the choice between us and them and chose them, then that'd be worth the ire.

For me it's more about the fact that we had the choice between Senderos and Lescott and went for Senderos!

one is at the World Cup with his national team and the other sits on the Man City bench....I would rather have Senderos to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 20, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

Same here. Had it been that he had the choice between us and them and chose them, then that'd be worth the ire.

For me it's more about the fact that we had the choice between Senderos and Lescott and went for Senderos!

How people can rate Okore as our defensive saviour is beyond me, he's played one and a quarter premiership games, Lescott has years of experience it's a no-brainer who i'd have at the back with Vlaar. Senderos will be just as bad as Clark & Baker if not worse imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on June 20, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 20, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

Same here. Had it been that he had the choice between us and them and chose them, then that'd be worth the ire.

For me it's more about the fact that we had the choice between Senderos and Lescott and went for Senderos!

How people can rate Okore as our defensive saviour is beyond me, he's played one and a quarter premiership games, Lescott has years of experience it's a no-brainer who i'd have at the back with Vlaar. Senderos will be just as bad as Clark & Baker if not worse imo.

I,m sorry but to make that assumption  re Clarke & Baker vs Senderos is beyond silly , 2 comparatively young defenders as opposed to a seasoned Centre Half with more International and European Competition experience that the whole of our first team combined ( Vlaar excepted ) .
...............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: achilles on June 20, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on June 20, 2014, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
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Quote from: QBVILLA on June 20, 2014, 11:32:48 AM
If Lescott hadn't spent the last twelve months warming the bench then I have no doubt he's be in Brazil now. Credit to the Albion on this one, good signing. Did we need him? Not if Okore is fit to start the season imo.

If Lescott was that great he probably wouldn't have spent the last twelve months warming the bench.

As opposed to what Senderos has been doing...?

Fair point. But I'm not really saying that Senderos is a marquee signing, just that I can't get too worked up about the fact that we haven't signed Lescott.

Same here. Had it been that he had the choice between us and them and chose them, then that'd be worth the ire.

For me it's more about the fact that we had the choice between Senderos and Lescott and went for Senderos!

one is at the World Cup with his national team and the other sits on the Man City bench....I would rather have Senderos to be honest.

Or the other way of looking at it is that Senderos couldn't get a game for a relegated Premiership side and spent the last half of the season on loan at Valencia (who didn't want to sign him) or Lescott who played 24 games for the Premiership side that WON the league and have a multi-million pound squad that requires a lot of them sit on the bench!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 20, 2014, 01:38:14 PM
Quality over quantity. 

Lescott could have fixed a problem position for us at a stroke - either as a left sided CB or by giving us the option of playing Lescott, Vlaar and Okore in a back three. 

Instead, we now have two players on the books who will do well to complete 15 games each this season. 

In terms of utilising our limited resources, it doesn't look like great business.

Even if the ownership situation changes before August and the calibre of player we can aim for increases, Lescott would still be a valuable asset to any team in transition. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2014, 01:43:48 PM
And both made a fair amount of mistakes. I wanted Lescott a lot, but he would have had to improve his form a huge amount, as he will at Albion, to be the player he was a couple of years ago. He relied on pace, and got found out on it last season, Senderos never has. In a 3 I think Senderos, Vlaar and Okore will be fine, that is a mid table defence. What we need is a holding midfielder that can actually tackle and track runners!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
I'm sure we weren't the only option that was open to Senderos. He's in his peak years in his position. He's not a bad player. Valencia don't have a lot of money so I doubt they could have afforded him a permanent deal. We don't know whether they did make an offer though, but I suspect staying in the Premiership was probably more of an enticing deal.
Lescott hasn't been great for a couple of years now. I don't think he'd be the instant fix we'd have hoped for. I think he's a hell of a gamble on what he's being paid. The difference between ourselves and West Brom for example is, they don't have a decent CH at the club right now. We still have Ron Vlaar who is a decent player.

Would I rather have Lescott or Senderos in a straight up choice? Honestly, probably Lescott. It's not that simple though. It's Senderos for 25k a week, or Lescott for at least twice that, and two years older. With the money involved I'm happy with Senderos. That 25k a week saved that it would have cost to get Lescott too, can be used to sign a decent midfielder. We're in more dire need of a really quality midfielder than a quality center half in my opinion.

I don't think Senderos or Lescott are instant fix sort of players. Neither is quite good enough for that, and whilst Lescott is certainly the better player historically, he's coming up 32, off the back of two seasons of indifferent form for City.

The more significant chunk of our budget needs to go into midfield and fullback positions.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 02:03:49 PM
Vlaar, Senderos and Okore a mid-table defence? The first has never finished in the top half. The second has never been a regular starter for any team he's been at. The third has played 3 Premiership games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
I'm sure we weren't the only option that was open to Senderos. He's in his peak years in his position. He's not a bad player. Valencia don't have a lot of money so I doubt they could have afforded him a permanent deal.

I think it's actually that Valencia have just been taken over and are now looking to bring in significantly better players than Senderos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
I'm sure we weren't the only option that was open to Senderos. He's in his peak years in his position. He's not a bad player. Valencia don't have a lot of money so I doubt they could have afforded him a permanent deal.

I think it's actually that Valencia have just been taken over and are now looking to bring in significantly better players than Senderos.
Well that's fair enough. Lucky them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: glasses on June 20, 2014, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 02:03:49 PM
Vlaar, Senderos and Okore a mid-table defence? The first has never finished in the top half. The second has never been a regular starter for any team he's been at. The third has played 3 Premiership games.
Don't worry, Russell. This time last season we were comparing our squad to that of the current champions Man Utd, and saying we wouldn't swap any for theirs. This is the thread where dreams are made
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 02:11:14 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
I'm sure we weren't the only option that was open to Senderos. He's in his peak years in his position. He's not a bad player. Valencia don't have a lot of money so I doubt they could have afforded him a permanent deal.

I think it's actually that Valencia have just been taken over and are now looking to bring in significantly better players than Senderos.
Well that's fair enough. Lucky them.

If only it were us, eh?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 03:47:41 PM
It doesn't matter that Lescott is not a big name, he would have improved us no end.  Him and Vlaar (should Vlaar stay) would be a have been a great partnership.  That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 20, 2014, 03:57:03 PM
Pack it in, Gregory's Boy. What fucking difference between the clubs? Olbiyun are happier to splurge a big wage on an older player? So what? They need him more.

Perhaps we have our money lined up elsewhere. Perhaps we are trying to do it all on a budget of a pound. Who knows.

What I do know is I am getting increasingly frustrated that some of our fans are looking for absolutely anything, no matter how hysterical or not founded in fact, to beat the club with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
I think we'll get a better picture when we see what we've done by the end of the window - ie when we've spent our whole allocated wages and budget.

It is fair comment that maybe we went for the cheaper option with Senderos as it enabled us to save some wage money to allocate it on better signings elsewhere.

Which is fine, so long as we do actually make those better signings required elsewhere.

I don't blame anyone for suspecting that those signings might not be forthcoming, though, not based on the spending patterns of the last two years, the club talking about the wage bill constantly over that period, and Randy's announcement he wants out (with the implied "in which case, I won't be spending much" it comes with).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2014, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 03:47:41 PM
It doesn't matter that Lescott is not a big name, he would have improved us no end.  Him and Vlaar (should Vlaar stay) would be a have been a great partnership.  That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now.

Which is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: jcsutv on June 20, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.

I agree. Vlaar and Okore with Senderos as back up is a move in the right direction.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on June 20, 2014, 04:17:37 PM
It's like the Albrighton situ for me: if Albion want him and no one else does and let's face it other than Burnley everyone pays more than them, then he's not worth having.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 20, 2014, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 03:47:41 PM
It doesn't matter that Lescott is not a big name, he would have improved us no end.  Him and Vlaar (should Vlaar stay) would be a have been a great partnership.  That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now.

Which is?

Well I just gave the answer in my follow up post.  I actually thought West Brom might struggle next season, and they still might but Lescott is a very good buy for a club at their level and is the sort of player we should be looking at also.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oishiiniku on June 20, 2014, 04:18:37 PM
I'm not sure Lescott would've been that great a signing. He's always seemed pretty error-prone and I think he has benefited from playing alongside better defenders who have compensated for his lack of ability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 20, 2014, 03:57:03 PM
Pack it in, Gregory's Boy. What fucking difference between the clubs? Olbiyun are happier to splurge a big wage on an older player? So what?

Replace 'older' with 'better' and you've answered your own question.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on June 20, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.

I agree. Vlaar and Okore with Senderos as back up is a move in the right direction.

Well we still don't know about Okore but I am willing to give him a chance.  But Dave made my point for me, because we should be offering someone like Lescott first team football as it would improve our defence in the present, we can still develop the younger players at the same time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: oishiiniku on June 20, 2014, 04:18:37 PM
I'm not sure Lescott would've been that great a signing. He's always seemed pretty error-prone and I think he has benefited from playing alongside better defenders who have compensated for his lack of ability.
His goal record at Everton also papered over a few cracks to be fair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 20, 2014, 04:29:01 PM
One thing I'll be interested to see with Lescott is how he reacts to being in a team that is under the cosh for significant proportions of games, bet it's been 5/6 years since he was regularly in that position.

Also interesting that Spurs, Everton and even Liverpool with Champions League need defensive depth but also 'allowed him' to go to Baggies
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on June 20, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.

I agree. Vlaar and Okore with Senderos as back up is a move in the right direction.

Well we still don't know about Okore but I am willing to give him a chance.  But Dave made my point for me, because we should be offering someone like Lescott first team football as it would improve our defence in the present, we can still develop the younger players at the same time.

You still haven't said what the difference is you can see between us and a team that finished below us last season and whose supporters are protesting about their new manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:33:20 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 20, 2014, 04:29:01 PM
One thing I'll be interested to see with Lescott is how he reacts to being in a team that is under the cosh for significant proportions of games, bet it's been 5/6 years since he was regularly in that position.

Also interesting that Spurs, Everton and even Liverpool with Champions League need defensive depth but also 'allowed him' to go to Baggies

But those clubs are at a higher level than us so you have to judge transfers in a different way.  Also, Spurs are clueless when it comes to transfer policy which is part of the reason I only see them going backwards.  Are Everton that bad defensively?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on June 20, 2014, 04:34:43 PM
Robbie Keane three decades ago? C'mon, one and a half!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on June 20, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.

I agree. Vlaar and Okore with Senderos as back up is a move in the right direction.

Well we still don't know about Okore but I am willing to give him a chance.  But Dave made my point for me, because we should be offering someone like Lescott first team football as it would improve our defence in the present, we can still develop the younger players at the same time.

You still haven't said what the difference is you can see between us and a team that finished below us last season and whose supporters are protesting about their new manager.

At the moment very little, but that is partly my point because them signing Lescott is far more ambitious than who we have signed.  If they can get a decent ten goal a season striker (don't know why they let Long go) then I fancy their chances more than ours right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
One thing I'm fairly sure of - if Albion's last 3 signings had been Grant Holt, Philippe Senderos and Joe Cole, we'd all be laughing at them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:39:19 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on June 20, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.

I agree. Vlaar and Okore with Senderos as back up is a move in the right direction.

Well we still don't know about Okore but I am willing to give him a chance.  But Dave made my point for me, because we should be offering someone like Lescott first team football as it would improve our defence in the present, we can still develop the younger players at the same time.

You still haven't said what the difference is you can see between us and a team that finished below us last season and whose supporters are protesting about their new manager.

At the moment very little, but that is partly my point because them signing Lescott is far more ambitious than who we have signed.  If they can get a decent ten goal a season striker (don't know why they let Long go) then I fancy their chances more than ours right now.

One minute you're saying there's a difference, now you're saying there isn't, but there will be if they sign more players. You could say that about anyone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:39:19 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on June 20, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
I respect trying to run things on a budgit but you have to get the right balance between that and actually moving the team forward on the football pitch, and at the moment we don't seem to be getting that balance.  If we go down that is not going to be good for business surely.

The point about us and West Brom is that awhile ago certain people on this board claimed that Lescott was an unrealistic target for Villa, but that West Brom have signed him surely shows than if wanted him we may well have got him.  The guy just wants to play football at the top level.

Maybe that's the reason - they've guaranteed him that he'll be first choice, we're going with Okore and Vlaar.

I agree. Vlaar and Okore with Senderos as back up is a move in the right direction.

Well we still don't know about Okore but I am willing to give him a chance.  But Dave made my point for me, because we should be offering someone like Lescott first team football as it would improve our defence in the present, we can still develop the younger players at the same time.

You still haven't said what the difference is you can see between us and a team that finished below us last season and whose supporters are protesting about their new manager.

At the moment very little, but that is partly my point because them signing Lescott is far more ambitious than who we have signed.  If they can get a decent ten goal a season striker (don't know why they let Long go) then I fancy their chances more than ours right now.

One minute you're saying there's a difference, now you're saying there isn't, but there will be if they sign more players. You could say that about anyone.

No that is not what I said at all.  I said that with signings like Lescott the future would look brighter for WBA than for us.  The way football is we could have a decent season and they might go down, but I am just saying than that sort of player would have been a good signing for us.  I have never rated Senderos, so with the exception of more experience I don't know what he brings to the team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:47:07 PM
A lot of you seem to be very calm and relaxed about the club at the moment. You must all be seeing things very differently to me. I'm all for "seeing what happens over the rest of the summer" but the signs are that the majority of the clubs around us will be dipping into their newly acquired TV cash, whilst we'll be looking to fill the holes in our already sub-standard squad with bargain-bin options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on June 20, 2014, 04:47:01 PM

No that is not what I said at all.  I said that with signings like Lescott the future would look brighter for WBA than for us.  The way football is we could have a decent season and they might go down, but I am just saying than that sort of player would have been a good signing for us.  I have never rated Senderos, so with the exception of more experience I don't know what he brings to the team.

You said, "That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now." Not in the future, or potentially, but now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
You said, "That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now." Not in the future, or potentially, but now.

They paid the higher salary to get the better player. That's a fairly clear difference isn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
You said, "That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now." Not in the future, or potentially, but now.

They paid the higher salary to get the better player. That's a fairly clear difference isn't it?

Not in the slightest, not least because you don't know what they're paying or what the criteria for the two players are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 05:04:23 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
You said, "That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now." Not in the future, or potentially, but now.

They paid the higher salary to get the better player. That's a fairly clear difference isn't it?

Not in the slightest, not least because you don't know what they're paying or what the criteria for the two players are.

I can't think of any criteria that would make Senderos a better signing that Lescott. If it's age and finance then I would honestly rather we just stuck with the 4 centre-backs we currently have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 05:08:57 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 05:04:23 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
You said, "That West Brom have got him and we have settled for Senderos just shows the difference between the two clubs right now." Not in the future, or potentially, but now.

They paid the higher salary to get the better player. That's a fairly clear difference isn't it?

Not in the slightest, not least because you don't know what they're paying or what the criteria for the two players are.

I can't think of any criteria that would make Senderos a better signing that Lescott. If it's age and finance then I would honestly rather we just stuck with the 4 centre-backs we currently have.

As I said above, it might be that he was willing to be third/fourth choice and Lescott isn't. Maybe Lescott didn't like the way we got rid of his brother, or he thinks claret and blue doesn't suit him, or any one of another hundred reasons why he's going to them instead of one of the other clubs he was linked with. Whatever the reason, I don't think not signing a 31 year old on a free transfer is indicative of any club's ambition, nor is it any reason to start saying We Know What They Am. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 20, 2014, 05:09:38 PM
I have no idea who Nick Mashiter is (other than a journalist) or why he would be privy to contract negotiations. I can think of a number of good or bad reasons (from our point of view) as to why Lescott did not sign for Villa. To subscribe to one particular one is just to choose the one that suits your overall view of the club.

Personally I would rather see Okore and Vlaar playing at cb for us next season; and also for Donacien to be given serious game time. This will serve our longer term interests better.  Senderos/Lescott may represent necessary contingency but of the two Senderos will be more likely to accept and less likely to block the path that I hope we are taking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on June 20, 2014, 05:18:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:47:07 PM
A lot of you seem to be very calm and relaxed about the club at the moment. You must all be seeing things very differently to me. I'm all for "seeing what happens over the rest of the summer" but the signs are that the majority of the clubs around us will be dipping into their newly acquired TV cash, whilst we'll be looking to fill the holes in our already sub-standard squad with bargain-bin options.
You're absolutely right but there's only so much pain that the brain can deal with before going into distraction / displacement mode.
I'm still trying to work out why the hell I renewed ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 04:47:07 PM
A lot of you seem to be very calm and relaxed about the club at the moment. You must all be seeing things very differently to me. I'm all for "seeing what happens over the rest of the summer" but the signs are that the majority of the clubs around us will be dipping into their newly acquired TV cash, whilst we'll be looking to fill the holes in our already sub-standard squad with bargain-bin options.
I'm calm right now, but come late August, if we haven't been more ambitious with the remaining signings I'll certainly be in less than optimistic mood over our chances this coming season.

But after three years of stomach churning frustration I'm going to leave all the worrying until the last minute and (try) and enjoy the rest of the summer break.

England sadly haven't helped the situation...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 20, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
Albion probably offer more money and the chance for first team regular and Villa can't offer him what he want plus maybe family history made him turn against Aston Villa.
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 20, 2014, 05:09:38 PM
I have no idea who Nick Mashiter is (other than a journalist) or why he would be privy to contract negotiations. I can think of a number of good or bad reasons (from our point of view) as to why Lescott did not sign for Villa. To subscribe to one particular one is just to choose the one that suits your overall view of the club.

Personally I would rather see Okore and Vlaar playing at cb for us next season; and also for Donacien to be given serious game time. This will serve our longer term interests better.  Senderos/Lescott may represent necessary contingency but of the two Senderos will be more likely to accept and less likely to block the path that I hope we are taking.


It has absolutely nothing to do with choosing "the one that suits your overall view of the club". It's about forming an opinion about the 2 players we've bought in so far against what our rivals are doing. Even in the knowledge that we'd be working to a fairly tight budget this summer I think people were still expecting Lescott and Hoolahan to come in. Ending up with Senderos and Cole was always going to leave an air of dismay.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 06:53:35 PM
Lescott would've been perfect.  We've signed the cheaper option, it can't be spun otherwise for my money. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 20, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
 I'd rather buy the lad from Sheff Utd who they are all after, Maguire.

 For me Okores and Vlaar is a good defensive partnership.I think Baker needs a season away, and Clark is a never will be.Senderos will be a back up for injuries, sell Clark and buy Maguire, buying good young up and coming players should be our remit ufn, not over paid has beens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 20, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
I'd rather buy the lad from Sheff Utd who they are all after, Maguire.

 For me Okores and Vlaar is a good defensive partnership.I think Baker needs a season away, and Clark is a never will be.Senderos will be a back up for injuries, sell Clark and buy Maguire, buying good young up and coming players should be our remit ufn, not over paid has beens.

Not to appear argumentative, but how can we possibly know whether Okores  was a) ever good enough and be) the same after his injury and c) will form a good partnership with Ron Vlaar?

We need proven quality in specific areas. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2014, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 20, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
I'd rather buy the lad from Sheff Utd who they are all after, Maguire.

 For me Okores and Vlaar is a good defensive partnership.I think Baker needs a season away, and Clark is a never will be.Senderos will be a back up for injuries, sell Clark and buy Maguire, buying good young up and coming players should be our remit ufn, not over paid has beens.

Not to appear argumentative, but how can we possibly know whether Okores  was a) ever good enough and be) the same after his injury and c) will form a good partnership with Ron Vlaar?

We need proven quality in specific areas. 

Completely agree with this. For where we are at the moment, blooding youngsters in the first team should be put on the back-burner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 20, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
 Fair enough Rigadon.

   From what i have seen of Okores, and hopeing he recovers fully, he is a fast agressive central midfielder , a la Paul Parker if you like, who needs to play a physical, dominant CH who generally can command the aerial attacks, Vlaar if you like.

  Fair comment about youngsters, but i've had enough of over paid never have beens who come to VP just for one last pay day.

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
Same here mate.  But if we want to stay up (and I think at this stage that's the upper limits of our ambition as a club) we need more than promise and hope, we've relied on that for far too long already. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on June 20, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
Same here mate.  But if we want to stay up (and I think at this stage that's the upper limits of our ambition as a club) we need more than promise and hope, we've relied on that for far too long already. 

Yes, but if we're judging success as avoiding relegation, then the policy IS working.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: lambdrew08 on June 20, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 20, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
Same here mate.  But if we want to stay up (and I think at this stage that's the upper limits of our ambition as a club) we need more than promise and hope, we've relied on that for far too long already. 

Yes, but if we're judging success as avoiding relegation, then the policy IS working.



Ho hum. Yeah so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on June 20, 2014, 08:45:27 PM
The Blaggies have Craig and Joleon: we have Philippe and Joe. I know who has done the best business so far this summer ... it ain't us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on June 20, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
I wonder did our fans mocking of his appearance put him off us. Then again, Baggies fans may have been just as cruel.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curlytailavfc on June 20, 2014, 09:48:42 PM
hes thinking on the lines if wba go down tough but villa go down ive cursed the villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 20, 2014, 05:09:38 PM
I have no idea who Nick Mashiter is (other than a journalist) or why he would be privy to contract negotiations. I can think of a number of good or bad reasons (from our point of view) as to why Lescott did not sign for Villa. To subscribe to one particular one is just to choose the one that suits your overall view of the club

But isn't that just human nature?

For example, if the club spends several transfer windows buying players from low wage sources, and if the manager endlessly goes on about not being able to afford wages for a lot of players, then that's information from genuine sources - ie what we've actually done, and what the manager of the club has said - which influences how believable or not you find things.

It's not about what suits your overall view of the club so much as the one which you find more believable given the way things have gone over an extended period.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2014, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 20, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
I wonder did our fans mocking of his appearance put him off us. Then again, Baggies fans may have been just as cruel.

Honestly, if that's the case, he can fuck off.

He always made a point of giving it the big 'un in front of our fans whenever he scored against us.

I remember with fondness him doing exactly that when he scored for Everton against us, only to see his "Doh!" face shortly after when his fuck up allowed Ashley Young to go right up the other end of the pitch and score another winner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2014, 10:42:11 PM
Nick Mashiter? Surely that's a made up name? Lescott to Albion. Tough titty. Let's move on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 20, 2014, 10:57:21 PM
I forgot Okore came on  as sub we'll say just under two full games he's played.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: baddowvillans on June 21, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
I can see the rationale for signing Senderos but like some others on here I can't see how anyone can say that the Boggies didn't get the better player. We have to hope Okore settles into English football and LVG doesn't decide he wants concrete Ron for manure.

My main worry is not the signings directly but the fear that we will be outbid for players throughout the summer by Stoke, Palace, WBA, Hull. If that is allowed to happen this could be the season where relegation becomes a reality.

More importantly I still havent seen enough to renew my season tickets and don't expect that to change any time soon
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 21, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
 We sign Lescott and drop Okores?

 So we have a good up and coming , potentially top class CH, on the bench to pay a player £60k per week , on a 2/3 year deal with no resale value at the end of it, have a frustrated younger player who cost £4m , wanting to move on , or you get a seasoned, average , international CH on £25k per week, who is happy to be on the bench, whereby hopefully Okores is allowed to develop and bloom.

 For me i didn't want Lescott, and i think Senderos is an ok player, i would rather spend the limited money we have on a good midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: murgsy on June 21, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Lescott - meh.
I'd rather sign a relatively unknown defender from Costa Rica, Columbia or Chile.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 21, 2014, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: murgsy on June 21, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Lescott - meh.
I'd rather sign a relatively unknown defender from Costa Rica, Columbia or Chile.
We should sign the entire Costa Rica side and play them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2014, 12:44:11 PM
'get to know captain Ron Vlaar' on the OS.

I'll clap him when his team visits VP this year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 21, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 21, 2014, 12:44:11 PM
'get to know captain Ron Vlaar' on the OS.

I'll clap him when his team visits VP this year
I reckon Captain Ron Vlaar's favourite film is probably Captain Ron.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 21, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
We sign Lescott and drop Okores?

 So we have a good up and coming , potentially top class CH, on the bench to pay a player £60k per week , on a 2/3 year deal with no resale value at the end of it, have a frustrated younger player who cost £4m , wanting to move on , or you get a seasoned, average , international CH on £25k per week, who is happy to be on the bench, whereby hopefully Okores is allowed to develop and bloom.

 For me i didn't want Lescott, and i think Senderos is an ok player, i would rather spend the limited money we have on a good midfielder.

For a club with stretched resources, it would suit us to sign players who can play a few positions.

Lescott can play left back and -from what I can see- Okore has the right attributes to play right back. Or we could have played the three of them (Lescott, Vlaar and Okore) in a back three.  None of those three would be out and out stoppers, they are all comfortable in possession and can either get forward or tuck in when the situation requires.

As far as the ever present financial constraints, that could have been helped by letting Baker or possibly even Clark out on loan for the season to develop, without the same pressure they experience at VP.  Clark is the higher earner, but such a move would probably benefit Baker more, in all honesty. 

I like him as a player, even in a difficult campaign he had a number of decent games last season.  But he has played far too often over the past two years.  That said, if he had a season in the Championship and was underwhelming/ struggling at that level as per the Fonz, it would be difficult to make a case for him remaining at VP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on June 22, 2014, 09:48:33 AM
Its 9.50AM on a sunny Sunday morning but ever since Chris Jameson planted the idea in my mind that we might,just might, sign Shola Ameobi I have been feeling positively suicidal!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2014, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: murgsy on June 21, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Lescott - meh.
I'd rather sign a relatively unknown defender from Costa Rica, Columbia or Chile.
Chile have only got about three defenders, one of them was released by Olbiyun and now plays for Nottingham Forest, and their main one was relegated with Cardiff last year.

The only thing I remember about him Bacuna rinsed him in the VP match to win the free kick that he then scored from.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2014, 03:16:41 PM
Isn't that Medel, who is actually a pretty decent holding mid not a centre half, despite Chille believing a 5"4 midfielder can play there!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2014, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 22, 2014, 03:16:41 PM
Isn't that Medel, who is actually a pretty decent holding mid not a centre half, despite Chille believing a 5"4 midfielder can play there!
Yup. The third of the three that they play at the back is also normally a midfielder,  also relegated this season with Osasuna.

Also,  Jara has been released by Forest,  so if we do want a Chilean defender there's definitely one available.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2014, 03:56:33 PM
Wasn't he a full back at Albion? I am sure they thought he was Roberto Carlos for a while.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 22, 2014, 11:14:54 PM
Jara is a dirty cumbubble, nasty player.

I honestly think Lescott is way overrated on here, and by many others. I really don't think he's going to be worth the money we think he's on. Time will tell ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 22, 2014, 11:18:18 PM
Lads I think we can forget Gareth Barry , at least 2 clubs are lining up mega bucks deals for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2014, 11:33:02 PM
Lads? You London cockney boy or something?

Anyway, I have a long memory. Barry can fuck-off.

Not fussed about Lescott either. His legs have gone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on June 23, 2014, 02:12:56 AM
If Lescott's that good, clubs will forming a line to sign him.

Get over it, people.

And please, there is no chance of Barry coming back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MONCABA on June 23, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
Anyone heard any gossip on Sebastien Pognolli joining us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2014, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on June 23, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
Anyone heard any gossip on Sebastien Pognolli joining us?

He was linked last season if I remember. I once picked him up for next to nothing on Championship Manager and he was absolutely brilliant, so fingers crossed here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 23, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 23, 2014, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on June 23, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
Anyone heard any gossip on Sebastien Pognolli joining us?

He was linked last season if I remember. I once picked him up for next to nothing on Championship Manager and he was absolutely brilliant, so fingers crossed here.

Slightly worried that Belgium play centre-backs at the full-back positions, presumably because they feel all of their full-backs are crap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2014, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 23, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 23, 2014, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on June 23, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
Anyone heard any gossip on Sebastien Pognolli joining us?

He was linked last season if I remember. I once picked him up for next to nothing on Championship Manager and he was absolutely brilliant, so fingers crossed here.

Slightly worried that Belgium play centre-backs at the full-back positions, presumably because they feel all of their full-backs are crap.

I think that's largely because they want them to be defenders first and foremost.  it's also, for me, one of the reasons that Belgium haven't shone at this world cup, they basically playing 5 defensive players who don't really get involved much going forward so the opposition always have a spare man or 2.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MONCABA on June 23, 2014, 03:20:37 PM
I dont really know much about him. My nephew lives in Germany and sent me a link on Facebook.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 23, 2014, 03:57:07 PM
Has anyone got a recent link to the available Bosmans?

I think that's where any new signing is coming from.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:04:15 PM
Here's a list of the Premiership players on Bosmans;

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2014/01/02/4516592/premier-league-bosman-list-lampard-sagna-vidic-the-players

Peter Whittingham was the first name that jumped out at me...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
Dan Gosling's another. I'm sure Lambert's been linked to him a few times over the past few seasons?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
Dan Gosling's another. I'm sure Lambert's been linked to him a few times over the past few seasons?
Signed for Bournemouth.

I'd hope that even in our current state we'd be aiming for a bit higher than that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 23, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
Dan Gosling's another. I'm sure Lambert's been linked to him a few times over the past few seasons?
Signed for Bournemouth.

I'd hope that even in our current state we'd be aiming for a bit higher than that.

Really? Wow. I can't believe we've allowed them to snatch him from under us! ;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2014, 04:35:30 PM
Says it all really.

Sleepwalking to oblivion.

How did it ever come to this.

etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 23, 2014, 04:40:06 PM
Tony Hibbert for that troublesome right-back spot?

Carlton Cole to come in whilst Benteke and Kozak are injured?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 23, 2014, 04:40:06 PM
Tony Hibbert for that troublesome right-back spot?

Carlton Cole to come in whilst Benteke and Kozak are injured?

The Scouse Cafu? Yes please! Joking aside, Kenwyne Jones might be a realistic option. Without Bowery or Holt we're desperately short of a 3rd choice target-man.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on June 23, 2014, 05:08:37 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 04:59:58 PM
Kenwyne Jones might be a realistic option.

And there you have it, ladies and gents, the single most depressing sentence that has ever appeared on this website!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 23, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 22, 2014, 09:48:33 AM
Its 9.50AM on a sunny Sunday morning but ever since Chris Jameson planted the idea in my mind that we might,just might, sign Shola Ameobi I have been feeling positively suicidal!

I'm so sorry Ron, I had to unburden myself. A Geordie mate warned me he was available and to break the spell I had to pass it on to somebody else.

I know what you're going through. I wonder if his brother is a younger, crapper version?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2014, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 23, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 22, 2014, 09:48:33 AM
Its 9.50AM on a sunny Sunday morning but ever since Chris Jameson planted the idea in my mind that we might,just might, sign Shola Ameobi I have been feeling positively suicidal!
A Geordie mate warned me he was available and to break the spell I had to pass it on to somebody else.
"Villa sign second World Cup star"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Shola Ameobi. The world's first "one in twenty eight" (or thereabouts) striker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Shola Ameobi. The world's first "one in twenty eight" (or thereabouts) striker.

2nd, mon bought the other one for us a few years back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 23, 2014, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Shola Ameobi. The world's first "one in twenty eight" (or thereabouts) striker.

Jozy must be a one in 38 by now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on June 23, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 23, 2014, 04:35:30 PM
Says it all really.

Sleepwalking to oblivion.

How did it ever come to this.

etc.

Sleepwalking? In your dreams!

We are pogoing into the abyss. Leaping like lemmings.

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for us.

Hell is empty, and all the devils are here with us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2014, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Shola Ameobi. The world's first "one in twenty eight" (or thereabouts) striker.

I always thought him 33.3 recurring.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on June 23, 2014, 11:40:58 PM
I definitely take Distin.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 11:48:12 PM
#DareToShola
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Uh oh...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-qpr-tracking-villa-7314009
Title: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 12:26:41 AM
I was just wondering how much is Ron Vlaar worth now. If United with Van Gaal at the helm came in for him, how much would we hold out for? I'm sure he would want to go. Could be Lerner's make up for not getting the full asking price?

34 million for Luke Shaw! WOW.
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2014, 12:59:50 AM
in before the lock

whoop whoop!
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: bertlambshank on June 24, 2014, 02:33:13 AM
It's been up long enough.
Is it the moderators annual piss up in Mr Woodhall's shed?
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 04:08:16 AM
I don't understand your replies?

It's just a question how much would we hold out for do you think? I see that the Mail is saying QPR are eyeing Vlaar, they can have Baker or Clark.
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: Steve R on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: TheMalandro on June 24, 2014, 06:38:22 AM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 04:08:16 AM
I don't understand your replies?

It's just a question how much would we hold out for do you think? I see that the Mail is saying QPR are eyeing Vlaar, they can have Baker or Clark.

mi no entiendo
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: peter w on June 24, 2014, 07:30:01 AM
6m
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 24, 2014, 10:20:23 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 23, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Uh oh...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-qpr-tracking-villa-7314009
They can track him all they like. Absolutely no chance Concrete Ron is crazy enough to go there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2014, 10:38:37 AM
QPR can fuck off
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 24, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2014, 10:38:37 AM
QPR can fuck off
And it appears they're signing Rio Ferdinand...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
Dunne and Ferdinand isn't going to be the paciest defensive partnership that the league has ever seen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 24, 2014, 11:11:54 AM
If they get Vlaar I will be most displeased.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Weedy on June 24, 2014, 11:13:03 AM
Just spotted this

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/23/sp-aston-villa-make-an-offer-for-leeds-united-target-report/

Quote:
"...Jefferson, who began his career at Parana in Brazil- moved to Italy to join Fiorentina in 2008 but failed to make a single appearance for the club.
He spent the majority of his time at the Florence-based side on-loan to lower league Italian clubs such as Frosinone, Cassino, Eupen and eventually Latina, who he signed for permanently in 2012.
Last season, he was brought on from the bench in the majority of his appearances for the Serie B side and only managed four goals in 20 appearances. A record that leaves a lot to be desired."


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 24, 2014, 11:16:22 AM
Quote from: Weedy on June 24, 2014, 11:13:03 AM
Just spotted this

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/23/sp-aston-villa-make-an-offer-for-leeds-united-target-report/

Quote:
"...Jefferson, who began his career at Parana in Brazil- moved to Italy to join Fiorentina in 2008 but failed to make a single appearance for the club.
He spent the majority of his time at the Florence-based side on-loan to lower league Italian clubs such as Frosinone, Cassino, Eupen and eventually Latina, who he signed for permanently in 2012.
Last season, he was brought on from the bench in the majority of his appearances for the Serie B side and only managed four goals in 20 appearances. A record that leaves a lot to be desired."



I'd love us to sign a Brazilian front man, but I was hoping for the next Romario.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on June 24, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
or FRED!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 24, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
Dunne and Ferdinand isn't going to be the paciest defensive partnership that the league has ever seen.


Only to be made a little faster by Haangeland reportedly going there too. That would be the deepest back line in history!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on June 24, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
or FRED!

How does he still get a game? How on earth with all the talented players Brazil must produce, do they go into a home world cup with Fred and Jo as their striker options? Surely Hulk up top and someone like Kaka on the left would work a million times better!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2014, 02:11:03 PM
Fred is a lazy lump.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 24, 2014, 02:28:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 24, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
Dunne and Ferdinand isn't going to be the paciest defensive partnership that the league has ever seen.

Or the most frequent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
Fred is popular with the fans Hulk is not. The media pick the national team in Brazil the same as in England.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on June 24, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
or FRED!

How does he still get a game?
Doesn't he have a perfectly respectable 1 in 2 scoring record for Brazil? It's not as if they are leaving Ronaldo in his prime out of the squad in order to accommodate him.

From something I remember reading a while back, the lack of great strikers is due to Brazil feeling pressure from European teams. They now feel that to stay competitive they need to develop more physical players rather than more nimble, skillful players. Obviously there will be exceptions like Neymar and Bernard, but apparently it's why most of the Brazilian players coming through are the likes of Paulinho and Hulk rather than like the Juninhos.

I'm sure Monty will be able to tell me if I imagined this or whether there is any truth behind it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 24, 2014, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: brian green on June 24, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
Fred is popular with the fans Hulk is not. The media pick the national team in Brazil the same as in England.

That's true. How else is Stevie "Legend" G still playing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2014, 03:24:53 PM
And Fat Frank getting a double page spread to himself in today's Mirror. A PR puff of epic proportions hung on the derisory story line that he was responsible for goal line technology.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 24, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on June 24, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
or FRED!

How does he still get a game?
Doesn't he have a perfectly respectable 1 in 2 scoring record for Brazil? It's not as if they are leaving Ronaldo in his prime out of the squad in order to accommodate him.

The one I find pretty amazing is Jo.

Amazing in the sense that he's in their squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 24, 2014, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 24, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on June 24, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
or FRED!

How does he still get a game?
Doesn't he have a perfectly respectable 1 in 2 scoring record for Brazil? It's not as if they are leaving Ronaldo in his prime out of the squad in order to accommodate him.

The one I find pretty amazing is Jo.

Amazing in the sense that he's in their squad.

My thinking too, thought he'd disappeared off the face of the earth.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on June 24, 2014, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on June 24, 2014, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 24, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on June 24, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
or FRED!

How does he still get a game?
Doesn't he have a perfectly respectable 1 in 2 scoring record for Brazil? It's not as if they are leaving Ronaldo in his prime out of the squad in order to accommodate him.

The one I find pretty amazing is Jo.

Amazing in the sense that he's in their squad.

My thinking too, thought he'd disappeared off the face of the earth.

I completely agree. You know Brazil have got problems up front when the answer to any question is 'I know, let's put Jo on'.

I don't think I've ever seen a less mobile Brazilian footballer. How wide must his turning circle be?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 24, 2014, 03:50:37 PM
Brazil had a no9 in Diego Costa and let him go. I don't know why he switched to Spain, but I remember reading it was because Brazil didn't give him enough attention.

It's a shame Adriano lost his way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 24, 2014, 03:50:37 PM
Brazil had a no9 in Diego Costa and let him go. I don't know why he switched to Spain, but I remember reading it was because Brazil didn't give him enough attention.
He just said that he felt more loyal to Spain as that is where he has achieved everything that he's achieved professionally.

I don't think it was really a case of Brazil 'letting him go', he was called up, played a couple of times and then told the Spanish FA that he was declaring for them instead.
Title: Re: Ron Vlaar to Man U
Post by: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.

OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
I expect that we'd accept anything upwards of £5/6m due to what he has left on his contract.

And I expect that is a figure that Van Gaal would have no problems paying, given that Chris Smalling is the alternative.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: montague on June 25, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.

OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.

Nice welcome to a new member Steve.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 26, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: montague on June 25, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.

OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.

Nice welcome to a new member Steve.

I must be missing something but isn't this topic called 'Transfer Speculation / Gossip'. So what exactly was wrong with that input?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2014, 12:45:10 PM
Scolari reminds me of that joke in 1066 And All That about James I, that he 'slobbered at the mouth and had favourites, and was thus a bad king'. His press conferences are full of flying spittle, for which he isn't entirely blameless as he does like to embark on incoherent, reality-denying rants at the assembled media. He's also notorious for having favourites, almost like teachers' pets, which explains the incomprehensible continued selections of Hulk out wide, Paulinho in midfield, Julio Cesar in goal and Fred up front (not to mention Jo in the squad - where the hell are Lucas Moura and Philippe Coutinho?). If Brazil fail to win the World Cup, this crazed stubbornness will be largely to blame.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 26, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: montague on June 25, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.

OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.

Nice welcome to a new member Steve.

I must be missing something but isn't this topic called 'Transfer Speculation / Gossip'. So what exactly was wrong with that input?
Nothing at all, after it was moved it from its own thread into this one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 26, 2014, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 26, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 26, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: montague on June 25, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.

OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.

Nice welcome to a new member Steve.

I must be missing something but isn't this topic called 'Transfer Speculation / Gossip'. So what exactly was wrong with that input?
Nothing at all, after it was moved it from its own thread into this one.
Thanks, then I did miss that move!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on June 26, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
We can't even concoct a decent rumour!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on June 26, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Shame about Snodgrass going to Hull. He's the sort of player that could have done a decent job for us. Although I accept the fact that we can't compete with giants like Hull these days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: montague on June 26, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 26, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 26, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: montague on June 25, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.


OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.

Nice welcome to a new member Steve.

I must be missing something but isn't this topic called 'Transfer Speculation / Gossip'. So what exactly was wrong with that input?
Nothing at all, after it was moved it from its own thread into this one.

Sorry I misunderstood. Apologies to Steve.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2014, 03:18:05 PM
No worries at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on June 26, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on June 26, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Shame about Snodgrass going to Hull. He's the sort of player that could have done a decent job for us. Although I accept the fact that we can't compete with giants like Hull these days.

I was more minded to think he's the sort of player that MON would have signed for £12m
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2014, 05:02:05 PM
How much are Hull spending on him? 8 on Livermore, 6-7 on Snodgrass? Bertrand and Dawson also linked. Will all be on decent wages too. Bruce had better hope they start the season well enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on June 26, 2014, 05:04:52 PM
I'd hoped we might get livermore. Would have been right up our street
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 26, 2014, 05:25:17 PM
Livermore for 8m and Snodgrass for 6m - 14m doesn't go too far does it, both are decent enough players but I regard myself as an optimist in expecting us to still spend circa 15m this summer and if it went on those two signings I wouldn't be anymore hopeful for next season than I am with the squad we've got.

Presuming Lambert will still be in charge when the season kicks off and again presuming he spends 15m on a couple of 'better players' rather than another pick n mix of tat like last summer I think it is nigh on impossible that he will sign anyone who will make us happy / hopeful for 7-8m....seems stupid to say but you are just buying another average Premier League sides average Premier League player for those figures.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2014, 05:28:20 PM
Quote from: richard moore on June 26, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on June 26, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Shame about Snodgrass going to Hull. He's the sort of player that could have done a decent job for us. Although I accept the fact that we can't compete with giants like Hull these days.

I was more minded to think he's the sort of player that MON would have signed for £12m
With that list that ozz gives, Bruce is very much looking like the heir to O'Neill's throne.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 26, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
 Livermore and Snodgrass are a bit one paced for me.

 That Bradley looks a good player for the US.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on June 26, 2014, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2014, 05:02:05 PM
How much are Hull spending on him? 8 on Livermore, 6-7 on Snodgrass? Bertrand and Dawson also linked. Will all be on decent wages too. Bruce had better hope they start the season well enough.
Are we seeing the premium paid for British footballers?
If Lambert has £15m (don't know where that figure has come from, but there you go) and elects to go for quality rather than quantity I would have thought three decent foreign players would be possible to add some qualitty at FB and in midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
Livermore is awful. Can't believe they've spent £8m on him!

Fair play to Daniel Levy though, always gets a good price for his players. No idea how he does it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
I thought he would be about 3 within add ons. 8 is incredible really.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2014, 06:45:02 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
Livermore is awful. Can't believe they've spent £8m on him!

Fair play to Daniel Levy though, always gets a good price for his players. No idea how he does it.

yes, he also paid £16m for Bentley, £30m for Lamela and £28m for Soldado.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2014, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
Livermore is awful. Can't believe they've spent £8m on him!


I'm surprised at the price but he had a good season for them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
I thought he would be about 3 within add ons. 8 is incredible really.

I guess that's the impact of the new TV money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2014, 08:03:13 PM
With Livermore being 'worth' £8m the £7m spent on Benteke looks more of a steal by the month.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on June 26, 2014, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 26, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
I thought he would be about 3 within add ons. 8 is incredible really.

I guess that's the impact of the new TV money.

The TV money that we're keeping in the biscuit tin?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 26, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
Hull are becoming a northern version of QPR.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2014, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 26, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
Hull are becoming a northern version of QPR.

They don't have a load of players over the age of 30 on stupid contracts so I don't think that's the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 26, 2014, 09:54:54 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2014, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 26, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
Hull are becoming a northern version of QPR.

They don't have a load of players over the age of 30 on stupid contracts so I don't think that's the case.


Jameson loves huul Jameson loves huul
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 11:14:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2014, 06:45:02 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
Livermore is awful. Can't believe they've spent £8m on him!

Fair play to Daniel Levy though, always gets a good price for his players. No idea how he does it.

yes, he also paid £16m for Bentley, £30m for Lamela and £28m for Soldado.

Didn't say anything about him buying players. Just the ones he sells.

And, to be fair, Lamela is a cracking player, Soldado was one of the best strikers in Spain, and weren't we also after Bentley then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2014, 11:40:21 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 11:14:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2014, 06:45:02 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 26, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
Livermore is awful. Can't believe they've spent £8m on him!

Fair play to Daniel Levy though, always gets a good price for his players. No idea how he does it.


yes, he also paid £16m for Bentley, £30m for Lamela and £28m for Soldado.

Didn't say anything about him buying players. Just the ones he sells.

And, to be fair, Lamela is a cracking player, Soldado was one of the best strikers in Spain, and weren't we also after Bentley then?

I would say his high price purchases offsets his high price sales. And what's he had; 12 managers in 10 seasons or something nuts like that. I think Levy gets way more credit than he is due. In fact, I'd go as far as to argue given his resources he's been a failure as a chairman and is very lucky to have an owner (majority shareholder) as forgiving as Joe Lewis has been.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2014, 04:02:18 AM
Daniel Levy, meh. Well and truly spunked the money they got for monkey boy Bale, but he doesn't sell cheap. Fair play to him for getting such a good price for a very average player. I just hope that it doesn't push up the prices for others players.

Also, for us, it would be nice to buy another player soon. Get rid of the smell left over from the Senderos deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 27, 2014, 10:59:12 AM
I'd like to see us trying to get Bradley back here. He's still only 26. He's a good player and he's too good to be playing in the MLS just yet. He moved to Toronto for $10 million dollars, that's what, between 5-6 million quids? That should be beyond us. Match what they forked out for him, give him a good deal, get him back here. I don't think he's a player we should be incapable of attracting, and he's also improve our midfield a lot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 27, 2014, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: montague on June 26, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 26, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 26, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: montague on June 25, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: ingatea on June 24, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on June 24, 2014, 04:48:12 AM
The subject of Vlaar to ManU has been flogged to d discussed at length in the transfer rumours thread. As you are dealing with a speculative transfer topic it is likely that you will be encouraged to take the discussion there. The fact that this has not already happened suggests that the mods are either pissed, in custody or have found a second saxon hoard and are therefore otherwise engaged.


OK, got it now, I do not have time sadly to trawl through all the posts on here due to a busy work schedule and poor internet access on a ship.

So what was the general consensus as to how much Ron would be worth if we decided to sell? I, of course, hope that we don't sell.

Nice welcome to a new member Steve.

I must be missing something but isn't this topic called 'Transfer Speculation / Gossip'. So what exactly was wrong with that input?
Nothing at all, after it was moved it from its own thread into this one.

Sorry I misunderstood. Apologies to Steve.

No problem at all Montague. Thank you.

And welcome Ingatea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 27, 2014, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 27, 2014, 10:59:12 AM
I'd like to see us trying to get Bradley back here. He's still only 26. He's a good player and he's too good to be playing in the MLS just yet. He moved to Toronto for $10 million dollars, that's what, between 5-6 million quids? That should be beyond us. Match what they forked out for him, give him a good deal, get him back here. I don't think he's a player we should be incapable of attracting, and he's also improve our midfield a lot.

That still goes down as one of the most bizarre transfers in recent years for me. I remember that he played in a cup-game away at Man City and didn't [lay particularly well. That said, he was by no means awful that night either, but just seemed to be completely written-off after that. I do think Houllier would have signed him permanently though, and given him the next season to bed-in, but McLeish obviously went for Jenas instead!

Regardless, there's absolutely no chance we'll sign him now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2014, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 27, 2014, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 27, 2014, 10:59:12 AM
I'd like to see us trying to get Bradley back here. He's still only 26. He's a good player and he's too good to be playing in the MLS just yet. He moved to Toronto for $10 million dollars, that's what, between 5-6 million quids? That should be beyond us. Match what they forked out for him, give him a good deal, get him back here. I don't think he's a player we should be incapable of attracting, and he's also improve our midfield a lot.

That still goes down as one of the most bizarre transfers in recent years for me. I remember that he played in a cup-game away at Man City and didn't [lay particularly well. That said, he was by no means awful that night either, but just seemed to be completely written-off after that. I do think Houllier would have signed him permanently though, and given him the next season to bed-in, but McLeish obviously went for Jenas instead!

Regardless, there's absolutely no chance we'll sign him now.
Quite. He's earning $6.5m per year in Toronto which I think is a little bit beyond what we're paying these days.

If we wanted him (and we should have) then the time to do it was when he joined Chievo for a nominal fee. Rather than spending the same money on Jermaine Jenas' medical bills and wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 27, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
For what it's worth, Fabian Delph has just Facebooked "Let the transfers begin..;)" and followed it up with, "That wasn't a hint at me leaving the club, don't read too much into it. I'm staying put unless I'm told otherwise. I have a contract and I'm dedicated to Villa."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 27, 2014, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 27, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
For what it's worth, Fabian Delph has just Facebooked "Let the transfers begin..;)" and followed it up with, "That wasn't a hint at me leaving the club, don't read too much into it. I'm staying put unless I'm told otherwise. I have a contract and I'm dedicated to Villa."

Good news if he means that, but it's embarrassing how we haven't offered him a new deal. I honestly wouldn't blame him if he left now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2014, 01:14:25 PM
Good news Fab, Villa give him a new contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2014, 05:41:42 PM
Hopefully, Fabian knows who is coming in and likes it!!  Good of him to post stuff.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 27, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 27, 2014, 05:41:42 PM
Hopefully, Fabian knows who is coming in and likes it!!  Good of him to post stuff.
Maybe he got on really well with Jermaine Jenas and has just heard he's coming back... ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on June 27, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Maybe he's just talking in general, Shaw etc....
I just don't see us signing anyone of any real substance until the sale happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Turkish sites are claiming Trabzonspor in talks with Bent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 28, 2014, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Turkish sites are claiming Trabzonspor in talks with Bent


I Remember the row their fans made at VP, absolute nutters and never stopped singing all the way through the game

Also one of my top 5 most gutted feelings when supporting Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2014, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Turkish sites are claiming Trabzonspor in talks with Bent

I suppose it would pave the way for Ameobi to come in.

Only Joking.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on June 28, 2014, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 27, 2014, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 27, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
For what it's worth, Fabian Delph has just Facebooked "Let the transfers begin..;)" and followed it up with, "That wasn't a hint at me leaving the club, don't read too much into it. I'm staying put unless I'm told otherwise. I have a contract and I'm dedicated to Villa."

Good news if he means that, but it's embarrassing how we haven't offered him a new deal. I honestly wouldn't blame him if he left now.

He's under contract, he doesn't have the choice. All he can do is threaten a go slow - not worth it for him - or to leave for nothing on a year's time. Randy's view of to that would most likely be that he couldn't care less, he'd rather take the year's service and have someone face the problem of replacing him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 28, 2014, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: john e on June 28, 2014, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Turkish sites are claiming Trabzonspor in talks with Bent


I Remember the row their fans made at VP, absolute nutters and never stopped singing all the way through the game

Also one of my top 5 most gutted feelings when supporting Villa
Former Villa strikers going to Turkey never really ends well. I guess it'd be a payday for Bent (if he gets paid), but I think he should stay in England.
That said if they pay us for him and get him off our wage bill I'm not too bothered, but a move to Turkey, short of one of the real top clubs, is probably asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2014, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 28, 2014, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: john e on June 28, 2014, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Turkish sites are claiming Trabzonspor in talks with Bent


I Remember the row their fans made at VP, absolute nutters and never stopped singing all the way through the game

Also one of my top 5 most gutted feelings when supporting Villa
Former Villa strikers going to Turkey never really ends well. I guess it'd be a payday for Bent (if he gets paid), but I think he should stay in England.
That said if they pay us for him and get him off our wage bill I'm not too bothered, but a move to Turkey, short of one of the real top clubs, is probably asking for trouble.
Trabzonspor are pretty big. They're not Galatasaray, but they're not like that two-bit club Luke Moore joined.

Florent Malouda and Jose Bosingwa are at Trabzonspor amongst others, so they certainly seem to be coping with paying stupid wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2014, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2014, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 28, 2014, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: john e on June 28, 2014, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Turkish sites are claiming Trabzonspor in talks with Bent


I Remember the row their fans made at VP, absolute nutters and never stopped singing all the way through the game

Also one of my top 5 most gutted feelings when supporting Villa
Former Villa strikers going to Turkey never really ends well. I guess it'd be a payday for Bent (if he gets paid), but I think he should stay in England.
That said if they pay us for him and get him off our wage bill I'm not too bothered, but a move to Turkey, short of one of the real top clubs, is probably asking for trouble.
Trabzonspor are pretty big. They're not Galatasaray, but they're not like that two-bit club Luke Moore joined.

Florent Malouda and Jose Bosingwa are at Trabzonspor amongst others, so they certainly seem to be coping with paying stupid players.

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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 28, 2014, 01:51:42 PM
Have Barcelona or Real Madrid snapped Bendtner up yet?

He's available.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 28, 2014, 01:51:42 PM
Have Barcelona or Real Madrid snapped Bendtner up yet?

He's available.

Canada is where all the really good players end up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Marton on June 28, 2014, 07:11:32 PM
Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 28, 2014, 01:51:42 PM
Have Barcelona or Real Madrid snapped Bendtner up yet?

He's available.

Canada is where all the really good players end up.

Lets not make jokes like that...
With the transfer budget we getting from "the man with the plan" we likely to see him in a Villa shirt when season starts...or Holt...or Elmander.

Or maybe they make an American deal with the owners of Liverpool and we get Suarez on a 3-month loan...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 28, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
Delph, Vlaar & Gabby's contracts need to be sorted pronto. Regardless of the club up for sale, the club still need to sort their long term contracts. Or is Randy going to sell and reduce his losses? Crazy when you consider the millions in TV and ST money coming in. Be glad to see the back of Lerner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 28, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
Delph, Vlaar & Gabby's contracts need to be sorted pronto. Regardless of the club up for sale, the club still need to sort their long term contracts. Or is Randy going to sell and reduce his losses? Crazy when you consider the millions in TV and ST money coming in. Be glad to see the back of Lerner.
I said this a while ago. The club are seemingly running about buying a load of tat without addressing the really important matters .
I actually think vlaar will be gone straight after the WC .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on June 28, 2014, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.


Which is why Delph Vlaar and Gabby have no contracts on table.We will see them all walk for free if we are not taken over.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

how would Moxley know that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

how would Moxley know that?

I don't know. Perhaps he made it up? I hope so, else it's yet another relegation battle next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2014, 11:59:23 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

how would Moxley know that?

I don't know. Perhaps he made it up? I hope so, else it's yet another relegation battle next season.

I don't doubt that while we are for sale that Randy won't be extravagant with essentially someone else's team. That said I always find it funny when members of the media quote hard numbers. In this case, for added shock value Moxley even adds that it includes wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

I find it hard to believe we're going to be restricted that much financially. He'd have to be absolutely stupid to think that would be enough, and Lambert would be nuts to put up with it.

However, I do think we're in for a summer of cheapness, sadly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2014, 12:21:10 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

how would Moxley know that?

Perhaps Mr Lambert threw Moxley a bone. Lambert has nothing to lose by saying it either. What's Lerner going to do? Sack him? No chance.  Yet again with Aston Villa, it's the fans who suffer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2014, 12:23:24 AM
Oh, and if this is true, we may only have, say 5mill left to spend this summer, for God's sake, spend it on a tough central midfielder and not another fricking left back!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on June 29, 2014, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

I find it hard to believe we're going to be restricted that much financially. He'd have to be absolutely stupid to think that would be enough, and Lambert would be nuts to put up with it.

However, I do think we're in for a summer of cheapness, sadly.

But would it really surprise you. The reintegration of the Bomb Squad was a major indicator that we've little money for new players IMO.

If I was Lambert I'd certainly leak that info tothe press to protect my reputation, after all he'll probably be seeking a new employer sometime next season.

Also with Lerners recent track record a virtual freeze on spending is quite in character.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:28:56 AM
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you re there being little money for players, but 10m in total, including wages?

That's what I find hard to believe.

I know we've seen a truly spectacular loss of interest in the last two years, but he'd have to have some sort of vendetta against the club to instigate a tightened financial policy - worse than the one we already had, under which we barely survived - which would pretty much mean another season of relegation fighting. One we'd have an increased chance of losing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on June 29, 2014, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

If true, I don't think we are in for a relegation battle, I think we'll be nailed in certainties. When the press said we were appointing TSM we all said it couldn't be true. When Lerner said we were up for sale, we said he must have a buyer lined up otherwise announcing a sale leaves the club, players & fans in limbo. Anything, including profound stupidity, is possible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:54:00 AM
Quote from: john2710 on June 29, 2014, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

If true, I don't think we are in for a relegation battle, I think we'll be nailed in certainties. When the press said we were appointing TSM we all said it couldn't be true. When Lerner said we were up for sale, we said he must have a buyer lined up otherwise announcing a sale leaves the club, players & fans in limbo. Anything, including profound stupidity, is possible.

That's so depressing.

Depressing in terms of what you're saying, but even more depressing because it's true.

I genuinely think Randy has lost the plot. Says nothing for years and years, then comes out with that "why aren't you all driving around Centenary Square, with fit women sat on top of your cars, waving claret and blue flags and bibbing your horns to celebrate our point at home to Southampton" then a couple of weeks later comes out and says "yeah, I admit it, I've had enough, I am trying to sell us" but then throws in that utterly weird shite about the Shummanites.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:55:41 AM
Oh, and then that freaky thing from General K on the OS about how Randy has many missions in life, talked about his 'writing' and has many options regarding what to do next.

All that stuff - let's be honest, it's more than a little bit weird, isn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2014, 01:16:18 AM
I suspect we'll be selling players too, and I would hope that the money (which will mostly be freed up wages rather than transfer fees) will be made available to Lambert. I know the bombers have been re-instated, but any reasonable offer for any of them and they'll be gone and that'll free up a hefty wedge of wage space.

It's going to be a tough old season, but I think we'll be stronger than we were for much of last season. The key thing is we've still got Benteke at the club. I know his injury is frustrating, but to be honest it's probably the only reason he's still here. Had he not got injured he'd be at the WC right now and be mulling over an array of enticing offers.

I'm also hoping that once the August window is done and dusted, and if the takeover is still a long way off, that Randy will bite the bullet on Delph and Vlaars contracts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Scott Nielsen on June 29, 2014, 01:51:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:55:41 AM
Oh, and then that freaky thing from General K on the OS about how Randy has many missions in life, talked about his 'writing' and has many options regarding what to do next.

All that stuff - let's be honest, it's more than a little bit weird, isn't it?

Yeah but Randy's own note was equally off-putting. I assume he's gone through a religious awakening of some sort and his priorities are now very different to what they used to be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on June 29, 2014, 02:31:05 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 29, 2014, 01:16:18 AM

I'm also hoping that once the August window is done and dusted, and if the takeover is still a long way off, that Randy will bite the bullet on Delph and Vlaars contracts.

Offering contracts is one thing, offering contracts that Delph and Vlaar will actually sign is another. I reckon if there's no takeover in the offing they'll look for somewhere else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on June 29, 2014, 06:30:57 AM
I can't see why they'd sign in the current circumstances

Think we'll just need to take the risk that things progress enough for us to sign them again

But unfortunately everything about the club at the moment suggests to me that relegation is on the cards this season and it could well be a very long road back

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2014, 09:16:49 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 29, 2014, 06:30:57 AM
I can't see why they'd sign in the current circumstances

Think we'll just need to take the risk that things progress enough for us to sign them again

But unfortunately everything about the club at the moment suggests to me that relegation is on the cards this season and it could well be a very long road back


This is what is making me angry. You're absolutely correct but why can we all see it (relegation coming, inevitably), and Randy can't? Or does he see it too and just doesn't give enough of a shit to do anything about it? I said recently that we have a club that the owner doesn't want, a Manager that the fans don't want and many players that the Manager doesn't want. What a complete and utter shambles the football club is. I am praying for a takeover but sadly, don't see one happening any time soon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on June 29, 2014, 09:22:30 AM
Coincidence that the first apparent info of the content of the NY summit is 'leaked' two days after season ticket renewal deadline?

If it's true we are in for another fun season.....mare!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2014, 09:27:07 AM
agreed,  and to think,  TBAR's mole is still in that underground car park with no mobile signal. Amateur!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 29, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
How much have we spent so far ? £0 in fees but about £5.2m in 2 years wages commitment to Cole and Senderos plus whatever Keane is getting ?
But we've saved the wages of Albrighton and Fonz.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2014, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 29, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
How much have we spent so far ? £0 in fees but about £5.2m in 2 years wages commitment to Cole and Senderos plus whatever Keane is getting ?
But we've saved the wages of Albrighton and Fonz.
I think the wages of Alby, Fonz and Bowery has probably covered Cole and Senderos.
I think we'll see Given go and Bent as both will probably (hopefully) have takers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2014, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on June 29, 2014, 02:31:05 AM
Quote from: supertom on June 29, 2014, 01:16:18 AM

I'm also hoping that once the August window is done and dusted, and if the takeover is still a long way off, that Randy will bite the bullet on Delph and Vlaars contracts.

Offering contracts is one thing, offering contracts that Delph and Vlaar will actually sign is another. I reckon if there's no takeover in the offing they'll look for somewhere else.
Yep, unfortunately that is a problem.  The sooner we get a buyer the better. If it happens a little too late to keep Delph and Vlaar, so be it, the hope would be that any new owner would be able to buy us better.
Of course as the old saying goes, wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
If we don't offer Vlaar and Delph contract extensions it must be a likely scenario that the club will accept any reasonable offer for either or both players given their value to the club will be zero in eleven months time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on June 29, 2014, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
If we don't offer Vlaar and Delph contract extensions it must be a likely scenario that the club will accept any reasonable offer for either or both players given their value to the club will be zero in eleven months time.
Vlaar to Yanited for £3m , Delph to Stoke or similar for another £2m
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on June 29, 2014, 12:02:53 PM
We feel like a scruffy kid from Aston looking through the window at a nice restaurant while all the kids from Leicester Hull West Brom etc scoff a nice lunch,we fuck off home and have a Marmite sandwich ( with no butter).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on June 29, 2014, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 29, 2014, 12:02:53 PM
We feel like a scruffy kid from Aston looking through the window at a nice restaurant while all the kids from Leicester Hull West Brom etc scoff a nice lunch,we fuck off home and have a Marmite sandwich ( with no butter).


Yeah, still wouldn't swap though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SirSteveUK on June 29, 2014, 03:12:52 PM
What applies to players in their last contract year - also applies to the club.....what chance of RL getting his money back  - if we are under-funded - and risk relegation?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2014, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: SirSteveUK on June 29, 2014, 03:12:52 PM
What applies to players in their last contract year - also applies to the club.....what chance of RL getting his money back  - if we are under-funded - and risk relegation?
I suppose part of Randy's thinking will be that we should be sold within a year and we also should survive with the current squad, because, with more luck with injuries and as things stand, it's stronger than last season.

If he sells next May and Delph, Vlaar and Gabby end up going on a free, then he won't give two shites. It's a gamble though because he could still be our owner going into the 15-16 season, with three of our best players gone, Benteke pushing for a move, and even Lambert unwilling to carry on having completed his final year.

It's that season, should Randy be at the helm still, that I'd be more worried about. We really could be up shite creek by then, unless he changes his attitude.

Hopefully it won't come to that and we'll have a new owner by then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2014, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

I find it hard to believe we're going to be restricted that much financially. He'd have to be absolutely stupid to think that would be enough, and Lambert would be nuts to put up with it.

However, I do think we're in for a summer of cheapness, sadly.


I doubt the restrictions will be that strict either, because even Lerner must realise in order to sell he needs to protect his investment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2014, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2014, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:18:03 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
According to the Sunday Mirror Lambert has just £10m to spend this summer including wages.
Not good if true.

I find it hard to believe we're going to be restricted that much financially. He'd have to be absolutely stupid to think that would be enough, and Lambert would be nuts to put up with it.

However, I do think we're in for a summer of cheapness, sadly.


I doubt the restrictions will be that strict either, because even Lerner must realise in order to sell he needs to protect his investment.
I doubt the £10 mil is true but 3 seasons of gambling with our PL future does not leave me with much confidence that they wont go into the next season with a survive on the cheap mentality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
Aston Villa is a business, not one man's property! Surely Randy can't be pilfering the profits?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 29, 2014, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:55:41 AM
Oh, and then that freaky thing from General K on the OS about how Randy has many missions in life, talked about his 'writing' and has many options regarding what to do next.

All that stuff - let's be honest, it's more than a little bit weird, isn't it?

Without wishing to offend any of our posters, isn't it just, well, very American?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 30, 2014, 12:05:15 AM
Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
Aston Villa is a business, not one man's property! Surely Randy can't be pilfering the profits?
What profits.

The whole shitstorm has come about from Randy saying he can't / won't fund £30 - 50M per year loses.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2014, 12:21:36 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 29, 2014, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2014, 12:55:41 AM
Oh, and then that freaky thing from General K on the OS about how Randy has many missions in life, talked about his 'writing' and has many options regarding what to do next.

All that stuff - let's be honest, it's more than a little bit weird, isn't it?

Without wishing to offend any of our oysters, isn't it just, well, very American?

I go with weird, he's a walking contradicktion
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on June 30, 2014, 06:18:05 AM
Super Tom, the question I would like to ask you, is why should we have any more luck with injuries this year than we did last, the one thing we have not had since Pube head went is a lucky manager, thats what is scary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on June 30, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 29, 2014, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
If we don't offer Vlaar and Delph contract extensions it must be a likely scenario that the club will accept any reasonable offer for either or both players given their value to the club will be zero in eleven months time.
Vlaar to Yanited for £3m , Delph to Stoke or similar for another £2m

Why would Yanited need Vlaar - after all they've got Jones, Evans, Smalling.........oh
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on June 30, 2014, 06:18:05 AM
Super Tom, the question I would like to ask you, is why should we have any more luck with injuries this year than we did last, the one thing we have not had since Pube head went is a lucky manager, thats what is scary.

Whether there's something up with training, I don't know, though I do believe Houllier's regiment did somewhat contribute toward a horrendous spell of injuries that season. Last season if you looked at it, we were desperately unfortunate with Benteke. It's a horrible injury. Vlaar is just one of those injury prone players. Gary Gardner could fall into a barrel of boobs and he'd come out sucking his thumb.

Are we asking for trouble signing Senderos and Cole? Perhaps. All issues of ability aside, they've both had injury problems in the past. Cole in particular.

My hope is though that at the very least we get most of the season out of Kozak, and that as soon as Benteke gets back, he stays injury free for the remainder. I'm crossing fingers, toes, everything. Surely though....surely, it can't be as bad as last season, or McLeish's season, or Houlliers season...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2014, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: CJ on June 30, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 29, 2014, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
If we don't offer Vlaar and Delph contract extensions it must be a likely scenario that the club will accept any reasonable offer for either or both players given their value to the club will be zero in eleven months time.
Vlaar to Yanited for £3m , Delph to Stoke or similar for another £2m

Why would Yanited need Vlaar - after all they've got Jones, Evans, Smalling.........oh
Vlaar wasn't great yesterday. I think a little too much was made of his opening game against Spain. There will certainly be people sniffing round for Vlaar, but I'm not sure we'll be getting our backdoors smashed in by raiders trying to steal him from us.

Utd do need to sign two defenders. Most definitely. Jones and Smalling are shite. Evans is average. Question is, do they sign two top class defenders at 30-40 mill outlay, or do they sign one top defender and then a decent one like Vlaar for 5ish? Though there is the connection with LVG, I don't think it'll happen. Vlaars injury record is problematic for starters.

I wouldn't think it's a question of him wanting to leave either. If anything it suits Delph and Vlaar more to see out their extra year and get a hell of a deal next year on a bosman. The main question is, if an offer comes in, will Randy snatch someones hand off? I'll be gutted if he ends up at a tin pot club like Newcastle, or worse. If Delph or Vlaar leave this summer it'll be because we let them go, not because they wanted to leave. I think both seem pretty happy at the club. As a player too, if you're good, and still in your prime and find yourself on a bosman you'll end up rolling in it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on June 30, 2014, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 30, 2014, 12:05:15 AM
Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
Aston Villa is a business, not one man's property! Surely Randy can't be pilfering the profits?
What profits.

The whole shitstorm has come about from Randy saying he can't / won't fund £30 - 50M per year loses.
And yet there are still constant suggestions of him "taking money out of the club".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2014, 09:54:26 AM
The trouble is that the quality of the squad is diminishing season by season - particularly since 2010. The only eventual outcome of this strategy is relegation. If we can't keep Delph, Vlaar and Gabby then it's very worrying indeed. FFS we can't seem to compete with Hull & the Baggies in the transfer market now! I really wish Lerner had sold-up in 2010 because the last 4 years have set the club back years, and you do wonder if we'll compete anywhere near the top-six anytime soon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 30, 2014, 10:31:17 AM
We've got to remember that we've got the loan system to play around with as well. I think I'm right in saying that we're allowed 4 loans in total (2 domestically and 2 from elsewhere), but stand to be corrected. If that's the case there would be plenty of players who we could look to get in on-loan who'd improve us. Off the top of my head;

Victor Moses- need regular football and would be an infinite improvement on Wiemann.
Bertrand- didn't pull-up trees last season but still made us look more solid at the back than either Bennett or Luna.
Nick Powell - looked great for Wigan last season but doubt he'll be forcing his way into the Utd team this season.
Jack Rodwell - will probably want a chance to impress Pellegrini before leaving permanently.
Joel Campbell - coming back to Arsenal but there are rumours that Wenger will look to loan him out to a Premiership Club.

Well, how positive of me on A Monday morning, eh? You're all welcome.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2014, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 30, 2014, 10:31:17 AM
We've got to remember that we've got the loan system to play around with as well. I think I'm right in saying that we're allowed 4 loans in total (2 domestically and 2 from elsewhere), but stand to be corrected. If that's the case there would be plenty of players who we could look to get in on-loan who'd improve us. Off the top of my head;

Victor Moses- need regular football and would be an infinite improvement on Wiemann.
Bertrand- didn't pull-up trees last season but still made us look more solid at the back than either Bennett or Luna.
Nick Powell - looked great for Wigan last season but doubt he'll be forcing his way into the Utd team this season.
Jack Rodwell - will probably want a chance to impress Pellegrini before leaving permanently.
Joel Campbell - coming back to Arsenal but there are rumours that Wenger will look to loan him out to a Premiership Club.

Well, how positive of me on A Monday morning, eh? You're all welcome.


Loans tend to be quick-fix solutions and do not permanently address the long term problem. I think it's appalling that we've been reduced to scratching around the bargain basement for players and can't really sign quality players for the future.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2014, 12:51:48 PM
We need better players than we have, as a current situation is clearly a short-term situation. We cannot really plan beyond the next 12 months, so a good working of the loan market is something we should consider.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2014, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 30, 2014, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: RussellC on June 30, 2014, 10:31:17 AM
We've got to remember that we've got the loan system to play around with as well. I think I'm right in saying that we're allowed 4 loans in total (2 domestically and 2 from elsewhere), but stand to be corrected. If that's the case there would be plenty of players who we could look to get in on-loan who'd improve us. Off the top of my head;

Victor Moses- need regular football and would be an infinite improvement on Wiemann.
Bertrand- didn't pull-up trees last season but still made us look more solid at the back than either Bennett or Luna.
Nick Powell - looked great for Wigan last season but doubt he'll be forcing his way into the Utd team this season.
Jack Rodwell - will probably want a chance to impress Pellegrini before leaving permanently.
Joel Campbell - coming back to Arsenal but there are rumours that Wenger will look to loan him out to a Premiership Club.

Well, how positive of me on A Monday morning, eh? You're all welcome.


Loans tend to be quick-fix solutions and do not permanently address the long term problem. I think it's appalling that we've been reduced to scratching around the bargain basement for players and can't really sign quality players for the future.

I'd rather we used the loan system cleverly than loaded up with permanent transfers of players who aren't much different to what we already have.

I disagree with the loan system, I think it gets abused and is fundamentally flawed, but even so, it is what it is and we should be making the absolute most we can out of it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 30, 2014, 02:00:49 PM
Agree Paulie. The biggest flaw of the loan system is that it allows the rich clubs far too much power. Chelsea are the prime example, snapping up as many top young players as the likes of Courtois, Lukaku, etc, not wanting them for their own squad, but then having the power to decide where they do play.

For me, Premiership clubs should only be allowed to loan out homegrown players, and then only for 2 consecutive seasons. After that, if they're not going to make the 25 man squad, they have to be sold/released.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2014, 02:05:28 PM
There's also something well dodgy about loaning out one of your players to another PL team, I can never get my head around why they make that possible.

It's daft that, with the amount of money in the game, PL sides need to borrow players in the first place.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on June 30, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
And it's yet another example of how the gap between the top (rich) clubs and the rest is widening. I'm yet to see anything in the new financial regulations that will do anything other than protect the big-boys and prevent another 'Man City' from happening. They're not so much leveling the playing-field as re-seeding the goal-mouth that the rich kids play-in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2014, 02:54:50 PM
I don't mind loaning in a few good players. Granted it is just a temporary fix, but at the moment, that's what we're looking at. I think Campbell could be a good loan option. Decent young player, quick, direct, he's probably not going to attract a top 8, or top Euro side, so I think he could be gettable.

I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Bertrand return either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 30, 2014, 02:54:50 PM
I don't mind loaning in a few good players. Granted it is just a temporary fix, but at the moment, that's what we're looking at. I think Campbell could be a good loan option. Decent young player, quick, direct, he's probably not going to attract a top 8, or top Euro side, so I think he could be gettable.

I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Bertrand return either.

I'd like to see Luna given another run. We're far too quick to dismiss players who come from abroad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2014, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 30, 2014, 02:54:50 PM
I don't mind loaning in a few good players. Granted it is just a temporary fix, but at the moment, that's what we're looking at. I think Campbell could be a good loan option. Decent young player, quick, direct, he's probably not going to attract a top 8, or top Euro side, so I think he could be gettable.

I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Bertrand return either.

I'd like to see Luna given another run. We're far too quick to dismiss players who come from abroad.
I'd be looking to shift at least one of Bennett or Luna to be honest. I think we need another option at left back, and Bertrand for a season would be worth a punt again I guess. Unless we can find a decent LB on a freebie or Loan, which is unlikely.

I wouldn't want to trust Luna for 30-40 games a season though.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2014, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
The key to that working for me, is getting 1-2 decent midfielders in. If we can approach that system as more of a 3-5-2, as opposed to a backs against the wall 5-3-2, as we normally do, it could work for us.
But we need a midfield that can keep the ball long enough to drive us forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2014, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.

I don't think they even need to be in part of a 5, a 4 would be fine if we signed a hard working defensive midfielder who can boss that part of the pitch. Solve that and the only other major defensive issue to solve is to address our tactic of making the pitch incredibly narrow.  If we can get the wide forwards and midfield helping the fullbacks better we can cut out our biggest weakness which is teams getting 2on1 against our fullbacks with ease.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on June 30, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
I think Tony Moon might be better suited to a shift on Alfie Moon's stall.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on June 30, 2014, 09:11:48 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on June 30, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
I think Tony Moon might be better suited to a shift on Alfie Moon's stall.

is the correct answer

think giving Okore a few games at right back early on next season would be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 30, 2014, 11:17:46 PM
Having seen Vlaar's performances in the centre of a 3, and Okore is definitely comfortable on the right hand side of a 3, I wonder if plan A for this season, once Okore had settled was a 3 of Okore, Vlarr and Clark.

Anyone know if Feyenoord played with a 3 or a 4 during Ron's time there?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2014, 11:31:38 PM
Pretty sure that time in the 82 QF that Schumacher took out Battiston at head height and relieved him of a few of his teeth is still the angriest I've ever seen my dad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
We need a proper tough tackling centre midfielder to play in front of the back 3 if that's the case. And more mobile centre backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
We need a proper tough tackling centre midfielder to play in front of the back 3 if that's the case. And more mobile centre backs.

Caught a bit of R5 last night and they were talking about the number of teams employing a back 3 in the World Cup.  Roberto Martinez was on discussing how he likes the system and the benefits it can bring.  I still think it would suit us, but that Lambert hasn't found a way to play it yet. 

When we've played it under Lambert previously, it's been more of a flat five with the three CBs really narrow and marking one man, and our defensively weak full-backs left exposed 2v1.  If we can change it to back three with the wing-backs pushed on further upfield, it suit us.  It would also hopefully give us the opportunity to be a bit more creative and play an attacking midfielder behind a front two.  I could see it being a good system for us to employ at home and could see a starting day line up of something like:

                                            Guzan

              Okore                     Vlaar          Senderos

Bacuna                    Westwood       Delph            Bennett
                                     
                                              Cole   

                              Kozak                         Gabby

I think we'd still need strengthening on the left and in central midfield and defence, but it might work.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2014, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
We need a proper tough tackling centre midfielder to play in front of the back 3 if that's the case. And more mobile centre backs.

Caught a bit of R5 last night and they were talking about the number of teams employing a back 3 in the World Cup.  Roberto Martinez was on discussing how he likes the system and the benefits it can bring.  I still think it would suit us, but that Lambert hasn't found a way to play it yet. 

When we've played it under Lambert previously, it's been more of a flat five with the three CBs really narrow and marking one man, and our defensively weak full-backs left exposed 2v1.  If we can change it to back three with the wing-backs pushed on further upfield, it suit us.  It would also hopefully give us the opportunity to be a bit more creative and play an attacking midfielder behind a front two.  I could see it being a good system for us to employ at home and could see a starting day line up of something like:

                                            Guzan

              Okore                     Vlaar          Senderos

Bacuna                    Westwood       Delph            Bennett
                                     
                                              Cole   

                              Kozak                         Gabby

I think we'd still need strengthening on the left and in central midfield and defence, but it might work.
I would probably play Clark ahead of Senderos for a left footed option. In certain games too, I'd probably swap Cole for a more defensively minded midfielder to slip back in between Delph and Westwood probably.
Of course we have to buy said defensive mid, because our best option currently is Herd.

I would certainly be open to a back 3 though. The key will be having some extra midfield quality, and someone who can keep the ball. Cole could do that. It's important to allow our fullbacks to be pushing further forward and less time being penned back in defence, because that's not their strong suit at all.

Okore's pace also means we can play a higher line with that system, and also, because he's good on the ball he can drive forward and support midfield.

Largely when we played that system last season it was deep, flat back 5, and piss poor ball retention leading to zero attacking threat.
One of the rare times we got it right was against Norwich at home when it was more like a 3-4-1-2, which is more like what the Dutch are playing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2014, 01:02:54 PM
A genuinely good holding midfield player would improve us no end and allow us a lot more flexibility in formation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2014, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
We need a proper tough tackling centre midfielder to play in front of the back 3 if that's the case. And more mobile centre backs.

Caught a bit of R5 last night and they were talking about the number of teams employing a back 3 in the World Cup.  Roberto Martinez was on discussing how he likes the system and the benefits it can bring.  I still think it would suit us, but that Lambert hasn't found a way to play it yet. 

When we've played it under Lambert previously, it's been more of a flat five with the three CBs really narrow and marking one man, and our defensively weak full-backs left exposed 2v1.  If we can change it to back three with the wing-backs pushed on further upfield, it suit us.  It would also hopefully give us the opportunity to be a bit more creative and play an attacking midfielder behind a front two.  I could see it being a good system for us to employ at home and could see a starting day line up of something like:

                                            Guzan

              Okore                     Vlaar          Senderos

Bacuna                    Westwood       Delph            Bennett
                                     
                                              Cole   

                              Kozak                         Gabby

I think we'd still need strengthening on the left and in central midfield and defence, but it might work.
I would probably play Clark ahead of Senderos for a left footed option. In certain games too, I'd probably swap Cole for a more defensively minded midfielder to slip back in between Delph and Westwood probably.
Of course we have to buy said defensive mid, because our best option currently is Herd.

I would certainly be open to a back 3 though. The key will be having some extra midfield quality, and someone who can keep the ball. Cole could do that. It's important to allow our fullbacks to be pushing further forward and less time being penned back in defence, because that's not their strong suit at all.

Okore's pace also means we can play a higher line with that system, and also, because he's good on the ball he can drive forward and support midfield.

Largely when we played that system last season it was deep, flat back 5, and piss poor ball retention leading to zero attacking threat.
One of the rare times we got it right was against Norwich at home when it was more like a 3-4-1-2, which is more like what the Dutch are playing.

I have always thought Senderos is left footed, but if not I agree about playing Clark there or perhaps even bringing in a left footed option who could also cover at LB if needed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2014, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
We need a proper tough tackling centre midfielder to play in front of the back 3 if that's the case. And more mobile centre backs.

Caught a bit of R5 last night and they were talking about the number of teams employing a back 3 in the World Cup.  Roberto Martinez was on discussing how he likes the system and the benefits it can bring.  I still think it would suit us, but that Lambert hasn't found a way to play it yet. 

When we've played it under Lambert previously, it's been more of a flat five with the three CBs really narrow and marking one man, and our defensively weak full-backs left exposed 2v1.  If we can change it to back three with the wing-backs pushed on further upfield, it suit us.  It would also hopefully give us the opportunity to be a bit more creative and play an attacking midfielder behind a front two.  I could see it being a good system for us to employ at home and could see a starting day line up of something like:

                                            Guzan

              Okore                     Vlaar          Senderos

Bacuna                    Westwood       Delph            Bennett
                                     
                                              Cole   

                              Kozak                         Gabby

I think we'd still need strengthening on the left and in central midfield and defence, but it might work.
I would probably play Clark ahead of Senderos for a left footed option. In certain games too, I'd probably swap Cole for a more defensively minded midfielder to slip back in between Delph and Westwood probably.
Of course we have to buy said defensive mid, because our best option currently is Herd.

I would certainly be open to a back 3 though. The key will be having some extra midfield quality, and someone who can keep the ball. Cole could do that. It's important to allow our fullbacks to be pushing further forward and less time being penned back in defence, because that's not their strong suit at all.

Okore's pace also means we can play a higher line with that system, and also, because he's good on the ball he can drive forward and support midfield.

Largely when we played that system last season it was deep, flat back 5, and piss poor ball retention leading to zero attacking threat.
One of the rare times we got it right was against Norwich at home when it was more like a 3-4-1-2, which is more like what the Dutch are playing.

I have always thought Senderos is left footed, but if not I agree about playing Clark there or perhaps even bringing in a left footed option who could also cover at LB if needed.
Have no idea on Senderos. Some might say he's no footed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Mbia on a free is worth a punt in the holding role.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2014, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 01, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Mbia on a free is worth a punt in the holding role.
I'd go along with that. And still only 28. Don't think there'd be many better in our current budget range.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2014, 09:26:59 PM
Could play in a back 3 too. Think in our current plight, he would be a damned good signing personally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 01, 2014, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
I do wonder if we play 3 centre-backs, maybe Luna/Bennett and Lowton would play better in less defensive positions.

I've been thinking that. Luna and Bacuna might make decent attacking full backs.
We need a proper tough tackling centre midfielder to play in front of the back 3 if that's the case. And more mobile centre backs.

Caught a bit of R5 last night and they were talking about the number of teams employing a back 3 in the World Cup.  Roberto Martinez was on discussing how he likes the system and the benefits it can bring.  I still think it would suit us, but that Lambert hasn't found a way to play it yet. 

When we've played it under Lambert previously, it's been more of a flat five with the three CBs really narrow and marking one man, and our defensively weak full-backs left exposed 2v1.  If we can change it to back three with the wing-backs pushed on further upfield, it suit us.  It would also hopefully give us the opportunity to be a bit more creative and play an attacking midfielder behind a front two.  I could see it being a good system for us to employ at home and could see a starting day line up of something like:

                                            Guzan

              Okore                     Vlaar          Senderos

Bacuna                    Westwood       Delph            Bennett
                                     
                                              Cole   

                              Kozak                         Gabby

I think we'd still need strengthening on the left and in central midfield and defence, but it might work.

It was suiting us in the run up to xmas 2012, we were conceding very few goals even without Vlaar and looking o.k going forward. Then Chelsea away happened and our confidence was shot to pieces and there's been a negative air whenever we've got back to that formation ever since.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2014, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 01, 2014, 09:26:59 PM
Could play in a back 3 too. Think in our current plight, he would be a damned good signing personally.
Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2014, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 01, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Mbia on a free is worth a punt in the holding role.
I'd go along with that. And still only 28. Don't think there'd be many better in our current budget range.

I'm sure from all the money he's made from Cameroon's defeats this summer he's made enough to live on for quite a while.....allegedly!! ;)

Seriously no doubt QPR gave him a decent contract and were probably still paying a fair bit of that when he was at Sevilla so still think he'll be beyond us.

I'd look at someone like Tomas Rincon who's just left Hamburg. Was best player at Copa America 2011 and can play defensive midfielder or right back. Only signed one contract at Hamburg so won't be on a huge amount given he came from Venezuela.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on July 01, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
Three at the back, in a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 would work with the players we have - as long as we have the right back three in place. I'd go with Okore, Vlaar and Clark; nice balance there. Senderos as back-up. Lowton and Bennett wing backs. Westwood and Delph centre midfield with Cole as the attacking midfielder. Change him for Bacuna if you want more energy. Two strikers - obviously Benteke when fit with possibly Kozak. Until they're fit, Gabby and Weimann.

Suits us as we have full backs not totally comfortable defensively, and because we have a lack of wide midfield players, currently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 09:37:55 AM
My worry with a 3-5-2 is that you need to have a lot of possession of the ball in order for it to be effective, which we don't do. Otherwise, you tend to allow the opposition a lot of space to 'attack into' at the back, and consequently your wing-backs get pegged back turning it into a 5-3-2. Similarly, it's not conducive to quick counter-attacking sides because of the lack of width, unless your expecting your wing-backs to be sprinting up-and-down the length of e pitch for 90 minutes. The last time we played this formation effectively was under Little (and then Gregory) when we had a team full of players who were comfortable in possession- including the 3 centre-backs.

I personally think he'll continue to use this formation to make us from time-to-time, depending on available personnel, but doubt that we'll see it too often at home, and definitely not at the very start of the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Whatever system we play we need the players to move more. The lack of movement is awful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on July 02, 2014, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Whatever system we play we need the players to move more. The lack of movement is awful.

As is the passing accuracy!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
Tom Adeyemi from Birmingham City may be our next signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
Tom Adeyemi from Birmingham City may be our next signing.

Where've you heard that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on July 02, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
Cardiff have had a bid rejected for him,is he any good?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 11:20:01 AM
James Nursey is reporting that Aaron Cresswell is leaving Ipswich with WBA the favourites to sign him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 02, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
I wonder if we will sign a player this summer which all of us agree is a good signing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on July 02, 2014, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 02, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
I wonder if we will sign a player this summer which all of us agree is a good signing?

Has that ever happened?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 07:49:55 PM
Jordan Mutch is available for £1.5mil.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2014, 08:15:16 PM
"One or two players in, in the next month" sounds positive. I am convinced that we will spend some money. Not a massive amount, but we will spend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2014, 10:45:56 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
Tom Adeyemi from Birmingham City may be our next signing.

You've got transfers right a couple of times recently.

Are you, ahem .... *clears throat* .... speaking from the position of one who knows?

I'm trying to avoid that acronym.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 07:49:55 PM
Jordan Mutch is available for £1.5mil.

Really?! We should definitely be in for him. I thought he was their standout player last season. Is he a nose though...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 02, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 07:49:55 PM
Jordan Mutch is available for £1.5mil.
Any relation to Andy of Dinglesville ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 02, 2014, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
Tom Adeyemi from Birmingham City may be our next signing.

Never heard of him. Although to be fair to that rabble at the moment he could have been their star player over the last couple of seasons and I wouldn't know. If he's good and they like him I want him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 11:06:38 PM
Let's have a look at his best bits...

http://youtu.be/PWoiGqt503U
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 02, 2014, 11:09:35 PM
I won't watch them. That's a step too far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2014, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 11:06:38 PM
Let's have a look at his best bits...

http://youtu.be/PWoiGqt503U

Are you sure that wasn't a promo for a dodgy energy drink?  Bet that guy had a bet on how many times he could say the word "Run" in a two minute period.

Can see him and Keane getting on, but that video does have desparate Championship player seeks bigger move all over it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 02, 2014, 11:26:37 PM
Is he injured then? He'll fit in well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 02, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Who? Keane? Oh for fuck sake we've only just signed him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 02, 2014, 11:30:01 PM
No Keane will probably just injure anyone who is fit. I meant this chappie from SHA. The first part of the clip is they have missed him this year because of injury.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 02, 2014, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2014, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 02, 2014, 11:06:38 PM
Let's have a look at his best bits...

http://youtu.be/PWoiGqt503U

Are you sure that wasn't a promo for a dodgy energy drink?  Bet that guy had a bet on how many times he could say the word "Run" in a two minute period.

Can see him and Keane getting on, but that video does have desparate Championship player seeks bigger move all over it.
Former Norwich player and I'd imagine a lad Lambert perhaps knows well. In that regards it seems as if he could well be on our shopping list this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 12:24:31 AM
Why not just sign him free last summer then? Seems odd if Lambert knows him to miss that opportunity when we were woefully short in midfield anyway. Dunno, looks an ok worker, but nothing special. And we need a quality player in the middle of the park, not an ok worker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 12:25:51 AM
Also Jordan Mutch at 1.5 million would be a steal and a very decent signing for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
We're in for Robert De Bilde.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 03, 2014, 08:12:52 AM
Giles' brother?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2014, 08:13:06 AM
Bob's brother? Is he in the forgotten men thread?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 03, 2014, 08:31:25 AM
If we are in for Adeyemi I would guess that Sylla will be on his way, either permanently or on loan. Shame really, in flashes he's looked really good, but just didn't progress at all last season. Last preseason he actually looked to be one of our better players and I was convinced he'd be this year's Benteke. Shows what I know!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2014, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 03, 2014, 08:31:25 AM
If we are in for Adeyemi I would guess that Sylla will be on his way, either permanently or on loan. Shame really, in flashes he's looked really good, but just didn't progress at all last season. Last preseason he actually looked to be one of our better players and I was convinced he'd be this year's Benteke. Shows what I know!

Seems like Sylla enjoyed partying too much.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on July 03, 2014, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: Newby on July 02, 2014, 08:15:16 PM
"One or two players in, in the next month" sounds positive. I am convinced that we will spend some money. Not a massive amount, but we will spend.

Positive? funny, I thought the exact opposite. One of the weakest squads in the premiership who have flirted with relegation for 3 seasons is hoping to progress with a couple of (at best) average free signings and hopefully 1 or 2 other additions. Im very worried about the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 03, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: dekko on July 02, 2014, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 02, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
I wonder if we will sign a player this summer which all of us agree is a good signing?

Has that ever happened?

Stephen Ireland was universally popular I recall. Shows what we know..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 03, 2014, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 12:24:31 AM
Why not just sign him free last summer then? Seems odd if Lambert knows him to miss that opportunity when we were woefully short in midfield anyway. Dunno, looks an ok worker, but nothing special. And we need a quality player in the middle of the park, not an ok worker.
That would have been too easy and thus not the Villa way. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 12:24:31 AM
Why not just sign him free last summer then? Seems odd if Lambert knows him to miss that opportunity when we were woefully short in midfield anyway. Dunno, looks an ok worker, but nothing special. And we need a quality player in the middle of the park, not an ok worker.

Agreed, we need quality in the side. We can't make do with just signing prospects.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
Bob De Bilde is definitely on. Great pairing with Concrete Ron . We'd be as solid as a rock in the centre.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on July 03, 2014, 01:15:19 PM
Lambert/Keano's 1st project together - Project Build It?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
I'd see it as a positive mentioning 1 or 2 players in. That'd be 3 or 4 in before the end of July with another month of the transfer window left.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 03, 2014, 01:25:10 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 03, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
I'd see it as a positive mentioning 1 or 2 players in. That'd be 3 or 4 in before the end of July with another month of the transfer window left.
That's how I see it. It might also suggest that we've room to get 1-2 more in before we have to start selling players to raise more funds. Whatever we can raise in transfer fees, and more importantly free up in wages, could see a further 1-2 players come in through August. Hopefully good ones.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2014, 01:27:23 PM
And it would make a mockery of this £10m nonsense.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
As long as the players coming in are better quality than Senderos then we might just be ok. If not, then it'll be a case of 'Lamberts done it again'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 09:23:20 PM
Twitter seems full of a Southampton bid for Vlaar?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2014, 09:44:23 PM
We wouldn't sell and he wouldn't push it for the sake of one season if he really wanted to go.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
I can't imagine they'd offer us enough of an incentive to sell or him enough of an incentive to go.

Assuming we get round to offering him a new contract obviously.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 03, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
He'll be heading up the M6.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2014, 10:22:28 PM
Hope he doesn't leave, signing him and Delph to new deals should be a priority.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2014, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 09:23:20 PM
Twitter seems full of a Southampton bid for Vlaar?



At 29 Ron Vlaar will have no desire to go to a club that has sold all of its best players, and just because Koeman is manager. In fact for me they could very well join the relegation contenders next season. If (and I don't think he will), Vlaar leaves at this stage of his career it will be to a CL club. And it doesn't have to be one of the ones at the top of the tree either. There are several where he's fit in without any issue.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
I can't imagine they'd offer us enough of an incentive to sell or him enough of an incentive to go.

Assuming we get round to offering him a new contract obviously.

I am stunned we have not sorted Delph and Vlaar out at the back end of the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 03, 2014, 10:43:35 PM
Vlaar to Southampton is just a backup rumour because they also have a Dutch manager and LVG doesn't seem to be interested in signing Ron
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 03, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
Vlaar will go to whoever pays the most. He's 29 and has one big 4 year deal left before his legs and knees are shot . It may be Southampton , it may be hull , it may be Leicester or Yanited. I'd say it's 99.9% sure he's kicked his last ball for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 03, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Let's not forget Koeman was his manager at Feyenoord. This worries me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Strange how such an average/mediocre/useless, injury-prone player is going to be in such demand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 03, 2014, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Strange how such an average/mediocre/useless, injury-prone player is going to be in such demand.
Strange ? He's having a solid WC , he's almost out of contract. Just a question of when and who signs him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2014, 11:22:07 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 03, 2014, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Strange how such an average/mediocre/useless, injury-prone player is going to be in such demand.
Strange ? He's having a solid WC , he's almost out of contract. Just a question of when and who signs him.

And why might that be?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 03, 2014, 11:33:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
I can't imagine they'd offer us enough of an incentive to sell or him enough of an incentive to go.

Assuming we get round to offering him a new contract obviously.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-planning-7368743)

Quote
Paul Lambert planning contract talks with key trio

Villa boss planning discussions with Ron Vlaar, Fabian Delph and Gabby Agbonlahor upon their return to pre-season training

Jul 03, 2014 22:30 By Mat Kendrick

Paul Lambert plans talks with a trio of key Aston Villa stars when they return for pre-season training, vowing that nobody will leave the club against his wishes.

The futures of Ron Vlaar, Fabian Delph and Gabby Agbonlahor have been shrouded in uncertainty since talks about extending their deals were put on hold.

Delph and Agbonlahor are set to report back to Bodymoor Heath with the majority of the claret and blues’ squad on Monday morning.

Vlaar, whose World Cup crusade with the Netherlands continues with a quarter-final against Costa Rica on Saturday, will be allowed an extended break after his country’s involvement in Brazil 2014 concludes.

He is expected to attract interest from rival clubs, but Lambert is adamant that he will have the ultimate authority to decide who stays and who goes this summer.

Vlaar, Delph and Agbonlahor – respectively the captain, the player of the season and the current longest serving player – each have a year left on their current deals.

But, having appointed Roy Keane as his assistant earlier this week, Lambert intends to address the make-up of his backroom team before turning his attention to the contracts of his players.

Asked about the key trio’s contract situations, Lambert replied: “I had to get the staff sorted out first. That will take its course.

“The main thing is to get the staff together. Once we come back on Monday then things will start to roll.

“I don’t think anybody will go without me saying so. I think the lads are happy here and want to get going again.

“Things like that will happen soon.”

Lambert reckons there is a very real possibility Villa could be welcoming Vlaar back as a World Cup winner later this month.

Vlaar has been an ever-present during the Dutch march to the last eight and he believes they are capable of winning the competition.

The 29-year-old Villa skipper has been in impressive form throughout Brazil 2014 and is expected to start Saturday’s tie in Salvador. “He’s got as great a chance as everyone else,” said Lambert.

“They are one of eight teams left. They’ve got a really hard game against Costa Rica, who are playing well.

“Holland are playing well, too. Ron has had a brilliant World Cup the way he’s performing. I think the World Cup is as open as it’s ever been.”

Philippe Senderos and Brad Guzan, who have been on international duty with Switzerland and the United States, are also expected to be given extra time off.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 03, 2014, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2014, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2014, 09:23:20 PM
Twitter seems full of a Southampton bid for Vlaar?



At 29 Ron Vlaar will have no desire to go to a club that has sold all of its best players, and just because Koeman is manager. In fact for me they could very well join the relegation contenders next season. If (and I don't think he will), Vlaar leaves at this stage of his career it will be to a CL club. And it doesn't have to be one of the ones at the top of the tree either. There are several where he's fit in without any issue.

The source on Twitter appears to be @IncognitoAVC.

File under twaddle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 12:09:48 AM
New contracts for Gardner, Robinson and now Donacien s a good start. Really have high hopes for Donacien, and hope Gardner flourishes under Keane's guidance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2014, 11:22:07 PM
And why might that be?
Probably because generally over the last few years we've made a habit of selling our best players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2014, 11:22:07 PM
And why might that be?
Probably because generally over the last few years we've made a habit of selling our best players.

As has every team. We are not in an exclusive club when it comes to selling our best players. We've just done a piss poor job in replacing them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
As has every team. We are not in an exclusive club when it comes to selling our best players. We've just done a piss poor job in replacing them.
That doesn't alter the fact that generally speaking we sell our best players.  If every other team does too, which I don't agree with actually, then that only increases the chances of Vlaar going because other teams will need to replace those who have left.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on July 04, 2014, 12:52:28 AM
I'd like to think Senderos is just slightly better cover for Vlaar and Okore than Baker, rather than Vlaar's replacement. But I am cringing at the possibility.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
As has every team. We are not in an exclusive club when it comes to selling our best players. We've just done a piss poor job in replacing them.
That doesn't alter the fact that generally speaking we sell our best players.  If every other team does too, which I don't agree with actually, then that only increases the chances of Vlaar going because other teams will need to replace those who have left.

I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mazrim on July 04, 2014, 01:16:15 AM
No he's not. But unless we replaced him with somebody decent, we'd struggle desperately as he's easily our best defender. The problem with selling the players mentioned wasn't that we didn't get decent money for them. We certainly did. But we didn't spend that money wisely at all. So I'm not feeling confident we would this time either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 04, 2014, 01:37:41 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on July 04, 2014, 01:16:15 AM
No he's not. But unless we replaced him with somebody decent, we'd struggle desperately as he's easily our best defender. The problem with selling the players mentioned wasn't that we didn't get decent money for them. We certainly did. But we didn't spend that money wisely at all. So I'm not feeling confident we would this time either.

That is the crux of the matter, although you could argue about where the cash for signing Benteke came from.

Also, we have effectively raised a flag to the shadowy world of agents that these players might be available. There is a reason that clubs try and renew contracts well before entering into the last year.

The Southampton rumour is most likely bullshit given the source, but I would very surprised if we do not get serious bids for Vlaar and Delph. Unfortunately it is now hard to believe anything Lambert says, as he has often contradicted himself in the same interview, and sometimes in the next sentence. This is probably why some posters are welcoming Keane as a straight talking antidote to Lambert's relentless gobbledygook.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 01:53:09 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.
There may only have been four but they were our biggest assets and the effect of selling them and, as TV said, not replacing them adequately is plain for all to see.  As you say, we got big money for those four but where has it all gone?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 04, 2014, 02:15:19 AM
Another point is that we were not left with such a dire squad when we sold those players as we would be if the likes of Vlaar and Delph left now (and weren't replaced). 

Gabby can go as far as I am concerned, we should have enough striker options to cover him, and he is past his sell by date and we need to cash in while we still can.  But if we lost Delph or Vlaar then that could be the difference between us staying up and going down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 03:14:59 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 01:53:09 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.
There may only have been four but they were our biggest assets and the effect of selling them and, as TV said, not replacing them adequately is plain for all to see.  As you say, we got big money for those four but where has it all gone?



I think the important piece for a club of our current stature is the replacement bit. I stand by my statement that pretty much every club sells their best players. There is almost always a bigger fish out there wanting what you want to keep. But when you are middle of the table club which on average we have become over the past 10 years its even more important to replace those prized assets properly. If we can learn to do that with the next ownership group then we will be able to compete consistently without needing to break the bank. There are number of teams not called Bayern, Barcelona, Man City, Man U, Chelsea etc who have won trophies in european and domestic leagues in that space of time.

We need a consistent plan at board level including a sustainable level of investment on scouting and player acquisition. A committment to the academy and player development. And importantly stability and patience regarding the philosophy for the type of manager for the club. The chaotic switch from MON to Houllier to TSM is still difficult to comprehend. Then ultimately the ability to think steps ahead when players are sold. That we are not scrambling and panicking because we already have the next Milner/Young/Benteke on the radar when inevitably the likes of Milner/Young/Benteke are sold.

Above all things with the next owner I hope that upon acquiring the club they study why Lerner sold beyond his loss of desire. Because our future success will be in large part dependent on avoiding many of the mistakes that need not ever have occurred to begin with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2014, 05:33:44 AM
Good post TV. You use the word  which scares me. That word is planning. In my time of following the club I cannot say in all honesty that there has been a period of serious forward planning. Like many I hoped it had arrived with Randy Lerner but that dream evaporated with the chaotic shambles which followed the O'Neill flounce and the reactive system of running the club has never been more evident than it is at this time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 04, 2014, 07:28:25 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2014, 05:33:44 AM
Good post TV. You use the word  which scares me. That word is planning. In my time of following the club I cannot say in all honesty that there has been a period of serious forward planning. Like many I hoped it had arrived with Randy Lerner but that dream evaporated with the chaotic shambles which followed the O'Neill flounce and the reactive system of running the club has never been more evident than it is at this time.
Planning, foresight and balanced risk-taking were the issues that people slated HDE for (if you look at the press releases and documents generated by the AVST over the period between the late 1990's and 2006, you'll see the very clear theme). It really isn't that difficult but typically football clubs either have owners that are blinded by the light of owning a football club or solely engaged in making as much out of it as possible before buggering off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on July 04, 2014, 07:31:37 AM
Look at our win/loss ratio when Vlaar is in the team and when he isn't.  There is no way in hell the club is going to sell him this season, he is literally more important to us than Benteke was last season when he tried to get a transfer, and we know how that turned out.

Delph and Vlaar will both be here next season unless somebody offers stupid money for them (which they wont because they could get them for free next year).  Stop worrying and enjoy the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 07:39:12 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
As has every team. We are not in an exclusive club when it comes to selling our best players. We've just done a piss poor job in replacing them.
That doesn't alter the fact that generally speaking we sell our best players.  If every other team does too, which I don't agree with actually, then that only increases the chances of Vlaar going because other teams will need to replace those who have left.

I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.
He's not, but the rest of the squad isn't as good as the squad that those four played in.

When we sell Vlaar (even if it's not this summer) it won't be for anything like as much as those four players - but that doesn't mean he isn't still one of our most important players at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 04, 2014, 08:13:49 AM
The av. PL salary is now £3.5m a year. I doubt we will offer "Roncrete" anything like that. Some idiots will though.
Tarra Ron.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 04, 2014, 08:13:49 AM
The av. PL salary is now £3.5m a year.
According to whom?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 04, 2014, 08:25:40 AM
Where did you get that stat from, because I find it very hard to believe that the average wage in the prem is almost 70,000 a week. If it is, which I very much doubt, that's because man city and possibly Chelsea are pushing it up so much, and neither of those teams are going to sign him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2014, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on July 03, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: dekko on July 02, 2014, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 02, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
I wonder if we will sign a player this summer which all of us agree is a good signing?

Has that ever happened?

Stephen Ireland was universally popular I recall. Shows what we know..

No he wasn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 04, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Still if Southampton have made mega bucks this Summer, we can charge them the Earth for Vlaar  :D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 04, 2014, 08:13:49 AM
The av. PL salary is now £3.5m a year. I doubt we will offer "Roncrete" anything like that. Some idiots will though.
Tarra Ron.

That stat is completely misleading.  There are 6 clubs in the league with a wage bill high enough to be paying that wage or higher to their entire first team.  If you take those 6 away the average is actually around £2m pa (you can prove this pretty easily with the accounts for each club) which is almost exactly where we are.  That would be £50m on first team wages, with the FFP cap being set at £52m for the whole club so it's not like they can increase by much either. Man City are a big part of the problem that causes this 'bloat' to the average with a wage bill of over £200m and Chelsea and Man U aren't far behind.

Blind acceptance of stats like this is what causes so many problems, we see that £70k pw is the supposed 'average' and think Villa are tight when we won't offer more than £35k-£40k but in actual fact there are only a handful of clubs who can afford to offer more than that regularly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
I think if anyone does leave next it might be Vlaar. Being part of a World Cup squad that's having a bit of success and being amongst a group of players who are with successful clubs may make him re-evaluate what he does next. I'm not suggesting that he'll slap in a transfer request when he returns but he might not be in any hurry to sign a new deal either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.

I think the point is that when we sold Barry and Milner we were a top 6 team. When we sold Young and Downing we were a top half team. We're now talking about losing our Captain (and arguably best player) when we've only just narrowly avoided relegation.

You're right, he's not comparable to those players, but equally, we're not comparable to the teams that those players left.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.

I think the point is that when we sold Barry and Milner we were a top 6 team. When we sold Young and Downing we were a top half team. We're now talking about losing our Captain (and arguably best player) when we've only just narrowly avoided relegation.

You're right, he's not comparable to those players, but equally, we're not comparable to the teams that those players left.

If he's not comparable to those players then surely those same clubs will not be after him. In that case where is he going to go that gives him better prospects and pays enough to make it worth his while?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
The issue with all this is that the only suggestion he might leave is basically that 2 dutch managers have joined premier league clubs and 2+2=5.

Despite that we have a comment on here saying it's 99.9% certain he won't be here next season and then it's spiraled into talk of how fucked we will be when he's gone and we don't replace him.

If he were to leave then it will be because someone has offered us more money than we can turn down for a 29 year old (forget the fact that's he's going into the last year of his contract, that's only relevant if the money you'd get is worth more than having him in the team for a year).  Given he has 1 year left on his deal and his still pretty sketchy injury record I can't imagine anyone being willing to make a decent offer so, like Benteke last year, he won't go because he's worth more to us than he is to anyone who'd be looking to buy him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 09:39:40 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.

I think the point is that when we sold Barry and Milner we were a top 6 team. When we sold Young and Downing we were a top half team. We're now talking about losing our Captain (and arguably best player) when we've only just narrowly avoided relegation.

You're right, he's not comparable to those players, but equally, we're not comparable to the teams that those players left.

If he's not comparable to those players then surely those same clubs will not be after him. In that case where is he going to go that gives him better prospects and pays enough to make it worth his while?
Well, at the moment "better prospects" is any club willing to offer him a contract beyond July 2015.

That might change, but if I were him and I'd not been offered new terms by now, I'd certainly be thinking about where I would want to be playing for the next few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
I make it four in eight years. We've sold two to Manchester City, one to Manchester United and one, hilariously, to Liverpool. Three were for seriously big money and one should have seen us wear a mask, a striped jumper and carry a big bag marked 'Swag'. At no point in his two seasons with us have I ever seen anything in Ron Vlaar that makes me think he's in that league.

I think the point is that when we sold Barry and Milner we were a top 6 team. When we sold Young and Downing we were a top half team. We're now talking about losing our Captain (and arguably best player) when we've only just narrowly avoided relegation.

You're right, he's not comparable to those players, but equally, we're not comparable to the teams that those players left.

If he's not comparable to those players then surely those same clubs will not be after him. In that case where is he going to go that gives him better prospects and pays enough to make it worth his while?

Any club that's pro-actively looking to compete in the top half of the League and for European Football? How many would you like to me to name?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
The issue with all this is that the only suggestion he might leave is basically that 2 dutch managers have joined premier league clubs and 2+2=5.

Despite that we have a comment on here saying it's 99.9% certain he won't be here next season and then it's spiraled into talk of how fucked we will be when he's gone and we don't replace him.

If he were to leave then it will be because someone has offered us more money than we can turn down for a 29 year old (forget the fact that's he's going into the last year of his contract, that's only relevant if the money you'd get is worth more than having him in the team for a year).  Given he has 1 year left on his deal and his still pretty sketchy injury record I can't imagine anyone being willing to make a decent offer so, like Benteke last year, he won't go because he's worth more to us than he is to anyone who'd be looking to buy him.

While I don't disagree with your logic, all of the above becomes irrelevant should Vlaar decide that he wants to move. If that becomes the case (and I realise it's hugely hypothetical at this stage) then I'm sure the club's stance will change to simply looking for the best deal we can get for him.

I realise we were able to change Benteke's mind last season, but at Vlaar's age he will realise that his chances of playing European Football are becoming more-and-more limited.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2014, 09:53:32 AM
I'm sure they'll be interest abroad for Vlaar aswell.

One hope is that his injury record is none too clever so hopefully that will put clubs off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
The issue with all this is that the only suggestion he might leave is basically that 2 dutch managers have joined premier league clubs and 2+2=5.

Despite that we have a comment on here saying it's 99.9% certain he won't be here next season and then it's spiraled into talk of how fucked we will be when he's gone and we don't replace him.

If he were to leave then it will be because someone has offered us more money than we can turn down for a 29 year old (forget the fact that's he's going into the last year of his contract, that's only relevant if the money you'd get is worth more than having him in the team for a year).  Given he has 1 year left on his deal and his still pretty sketchy injury record I can't imagine anyone being willing to make a decent offer so, like Benteke last year, he won't go because he's worth more to us than he is to anyone who'd be looking to buy him.

I agree entirely about the Dutch manager thing. It's purely because they're the same nationality.

I disagree on nobody being willing to make a decent offer for him, though. He might be 29, but that could be another three or four years in him yet, and as you say, he's a year from the end of his contract.

If he got the chance to play in the CL - and it doesn't have to be with an English club - then I reckon that's something he'd probably take a look at. What is the alternative? He's been here two years and had two relegation fights. It isn't hard to imagine there being clubs with better prospects than us interesting him (not Southampton, mind, God knows how they fit that description at the moment).

I think Vlaar is a solid defender, nothing more, nothing less. Having said that, he's our one reliable option across the whole back four (Okore might turn out to be decent, but we don't know that yet), and - although it isn't saying much - he was one of our two or three best players last season.

I hope he stays, but I fear he will have better options. He has looked pretty average so far in the World Cup, but he's certainly raised his profile.

In fact, although, taking Vlaar out of the equation, I would want the Netherlands to win the World Cup, if you add in the potential impact on suitors for his services, it actually makes me think I'd rather they got knocked out today.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on July 04, 2014, 09:54:17 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
The issue with all this is that the only suggestion he might leave is basically that 2 dutch managers have joined premier league clubs and 2+2=5.

Despite that we have a comment on here saying it's 99.9% certain he won't be here next season and then it's spiraled into talk of how fucked we will be when he's gone and we don't replace him.

If he were to leave then it will be because someone has offered us more money than we can turn down for a 29 year old (forget the fact that's he's going into the last year of his contract, that's only relevant if the money you'd get is worth more than having him in the team for a year).  Given he has 1 year left on his deal and his still pretty sketchy injury record I can't imagine anyone being willing to make a decent offer so, like Benteke last year, he won't go because he's worth more to us than he is to anyone who'd be looking to buy him.

While I don't disagree with your logic, all of the above becomes irrelevant should Vlaar decide that he wants to move. If that becomes the case (and I realise it's hugely hypothetical at this stage) then I'm sure the club's stance will change to simply looking for the best deal we can get for him.

I realise we were able to change Benteke's mind last season, but at Vlaar's age he will realise that his chances of playing European Football are becoming more-and-more limited.

Benteke stayed because we have him a shit load of money and a team as big as he would've liked to go to didn't want him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
RE: the Dutch Manager. It's not just that. Koeman was the Manager at Feyenoord where he made Ron Vlaar Captain. Admittedly, that doesn't automatically mean that he'll bid for him, but it does mean that they have an existing relationship. We also know that Managers joining new clubs (in new leagues) tend to look to bring in players that they already know.

For those who are quite relaxed about this, I ask you to look at it from a different angle; If you were Vlaar's agent at the moment, what would you be looking to do?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
RE: the Dutch Manager. It's not just that. Koeman was the Manager at Feyenoord where he made Ron Vlaar Captain. Admittedly, that doesn't automatically mean that he'll bid for him, but it does mean that they have an existing relationship. We also know that Managers joining new clubs (in new leagues) tend to look to bring in players that they already know.

For those who are quite relaxed about this, I ask you to look at it from a different angle; If you were Vlaar's agent at the moment, what would you be looking to do?


If I was Vlaars agent I'd be getting him to run down the last year of his deal and leave on a Bosman to be honest. He'll only be 30 by next summer, and he'll have plenty of takers. Minus a transfer fee to worry about, the deals open to Vlaar in a years time will probably be more financially rewarding than what he'll get offered now.
If Ron leaves this summer it'll be because we accepted an offer and let him leave. IMO, Vlaar won't actively seek a move because he seems reasonably happy here and it's probably in his interest to run out his deal and survey his options next year.
Same goes for Delph.
If I was either player I wouldn't be moving this summer, and I would be running down my contract and waiting for the summer 15 offers to roll in from Jan next year.

Of course what needs to be considered is just whether Randy has it in him to turn down offers for any of our players now. I think he'll take reasonable offers just just about everyone at the moment to try and further straighten the books. If a player feels they're just a commodity and not really wanted, they'll probably move on too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 10:33:43 AM
You may be right supertom, and I hope you are, and that we can get a takeover done pre-January and get them both signed to new deals.

If it was me, however, I'd be looking to make the most of the exposure he's had in the World Cup and get a him a move this summer, thus making myself more money with a cut of the transfer-fee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
RE: the Dutch Manager. It's not just that. Koeman was the Manager at Feyenoord where he made Ron Vlaar Captain. Admittedly, that doesn't automatically mean that he'll bid for him, but it does mean that they have an existing relationship. We also know that Managers joining new clubs (in new leagues) tend to look to bring in players that they already know.

For those who are quite relaxed about this, I ask you to look at it from a different angle; If you were Vlaar's agent at the moment, what would you be looking to do?



I'd want him to move to Real Madrid or Manchester City, but that's not likely is it? A new offer from Villa, as talked about by Paul Lambert yesterday, but which seems to have been ignored as it doesn't fit into the Doomsday Scenario, is a lot more realistic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2014, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 10:33:43 AM
You may be right supertom, and I hope you are, and that we can get a takeover done pre-January and get them both signed to new deals.

If it was me, however, I'd be looking to make the most of the exposure he's had in the World Cup and get a him a move this summer, thus making myself more money with a cut of the transfer-fee.
Possibly, although to be honest, Vlaars not really matched his performance from the first game (as yet). I'm not sure we'll be bolting our doors from hoards of bidders. Of course if he has three more exceptional games for the Dutch this summer, that may change. We'll probably get a few inquiries from clubs like Swansea, Newcastle. Manure is doubtful. They're getting linked with more than just Vlaar from the Dutch backline (De Vrijj as well) but I think that's just putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. There aren't any defenders in that squad good enough for Utd's ambitions.

I think he'll probably stay on to be honest. If we get an offer upward of 5 million, which if Vlaar finishes on a high this WC isn't beyond the realms of possibility, he might move on, but even still, another year down the line he could be going on a bosman and perhaps be getting offered more lucrative deals with bigger signing on fees.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
RE: the Dutch Manager. It's not just that. Koeman was the Manager at Feyenoord where he made Ron Vlaar Captain. Admittedly, that doesn't automatically mean that he'll bid for him, but it does mean that they have an existing relationship. We also know that Managers joining new clubs (in new leagues) tend to look to bring in players that they already know.

For those who are quite relaxed about this, I ask you to look at it from a different angle; If you were Vlaar's agent at the moment, what would you be looking to do?



I'd want him to move to Real Madrid or Manchester City, but that's not likely is it? A new offer from Villa, as talked about by Paul Lambert yesterday, but which seems to have been ignored as it doesn't fit into the Doomsday Scenario, is a lot more realistic.

Doomsday scenario? Come on Dave, you're better than that. People are just reacting and speculating to what's happening at the club this summer. Man City and Real madrid are, of course, unrealistic but there are plenty of clubs that aren't, not just in the Premiership but in the Bundesliga too. Say, for example, Dortmund lose Hummels this summer. Is it really unrealistic that they could see Vlaar as a potential replacement.

As for Lambert's interview, he's quoted as saying "“I don’t think anybody will go without me saying so. I think the lads are happy here and want to get going again." You'll have to point me to the part where "a new deal" is specifically mentioned. Then again, he also told us that he'd be sitting down with Mark Albrighton's agent to sort-out a new contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
There was an article in the BM which states new deals to be discussed with Gabby, Vlaar and Delph.

We did sit down with Albrighton, a distinctly average player at best, who was offered £35k per week from Leicester. We would have been mental to have matched that and Albrighton would have been mental to have turned that down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 10:52:37 AM
Yeah, I've read it, and all Lambert does is state that no-one will be leaving against his wishes. There's actually no mention of them being offered new contracts in any of his quotes.

And, as for Albrighton, that's certainly not his take on it;

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/06/05/no-aston-villa-offer-says-marc-albrighton/
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
RE: the Dutch Manager. It's not just that. Koeman was the Manager at Feyenoord where he made Ron Vlaar Captain. Admittedly, that doesn't automatically mean that he'll bid for him, but it does mean that they have an existing relationship. We also know that Managers joining new clubs (in new leagues) tend to look to bring in players that they already know.

For those who are quite relaxed about this, I ask you to look at it from a different angle; If you were Vlaar's agent at the moment, what would you be looking to do?



I'd want him to move to Real Madrid or Manchester City, but that's not likely is it? A new offer from Villa, as talked about by Paul Lambert yesterday, but which seems to have been ignored as it doesn't fit into the Doomsday Scenario, is a lot more realistic.

Doomsday scenario? Come on Dave, you're better than that. People are just reacting and speculating to what's happening at the club this summer. Man City and Real madrid are, of course, unrealistic but there are plenty of clubs that aren't, not just in the Premiership but in the Bundesliga too. Say, for example, Dortmund lose Hummels this summer. Is it really unrealistic that they could see Vlaar as a potential replacement.

As for Lambert's interview, he's quoted as saying "“I don’t think anybody will go without me saying so. I think the lads are happy here and want to get going again." You'll have to point me to the part where "a new deal" is specifically mentioned. Then again, he also told us that he'd be sitting down with Mark Albrighton's agent to sort-out a new contract.

The only people saying Vlaar is off are Villa supporters, one of whom said it was "99.99% likely." We don't want him to go, he hasn't dropped the slightest of hints that he wants to leave, yet our own supporters have him gone already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
I'd want him to move to Real Madrid or Manchester City, but that's not likely is it? A new offer from Villa, as talked about by Paul Lambert yesterday, but which seems to have been ignored as it doesn't fit into the Doomsday Scenario, is a lot more realistic.
I don't think it's a Doomsday Scenario.  Yes, he may well be offered a new contract but at the same time he's an established Premier League player who is raising his profile at the World Cup, will soon be out of contract and is at a club in limbo which tends to sell its best players.  I don't think there's anything particularly controversial about saying that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 04, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
RE: the Dutch Manager. It's not just that. Koeman was the Manager at Feyenoord where he made Ron Vlaar Captain.

That's not a million miles away from Lambert though.  He's bought him in, given him a pay-rise and made him captain.
I've no idea whether he'll stay or go but would be pretty confident that it'd be either money offered in wages or the potential for success at any new club which would be a bigger factor in moving than the nationality of the manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
I'd want him to move to Real Madrid or Manchester City, but that's not likely is it? A new offer from Villa, as talked about by Paul Lambert yesterday, but which seems to have been ignored as it doesn't fit into the Doomsday Scenario, is a lot more realistic.
I don't think it's a Doomsday Scenario.  Yes, he may well be offered a new contract but at the same time he's an established Premier League player who is raising his profile at the World Cup, will soon be out of contract and is at a club in limbo which tends to sell its best players.  I don't think there's anything particularly controversial about saying that.

And people's reactions are also affected by our faith (or lack of) in the club to get the best outcome for the team, not the bank balance. That's certainly where my worry (call it negativity if you like) comes from at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
I'd want him to move to Real Madrid or Manchester City, but that's not likely is it? A new offer from Villa, as talked about by Paul Lambert yesterday, but which seems to have been ignored as it doesn't fit into the Doomsday Scenario, is a lot more realistic.
I don't think it's a Doomsday Scenario.  Yes, he may well be offered a new contract but at the same time he's an established Premier League player who is raising his profile at the World Cup, will soon be out of contract and is at a club in limbo which tends to sell its best players.  I don't think there's anything particularly controversial about saying that.

And people's reactions are also affected by our faith (or lack of) in the club to get the best outcome for the team, not the bank balance. That's certainly where my worry (call it negativity if you like) comes from at the moment.

I agree with Dave in that the 99.9% off line is based on pretty much no discernible evidence (for such a strong claim) but I think you also make a very valid point here.

Confidence in the club to get things right (in terms of squad), to put us in a position where we can improve considerably, to suggest they know what they're doing, is at a very low level these days.

It'd be nice to see some real evidence that they can do all of the above.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 04, 2014, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2014, 07:31:37 AM
Look at our win/loss ratio when Vlaar is in the team and when he isn't.  There is no way in hell the club is going to sell him this season, he is literally more important to us than Benteke was last season when he tried to get a transfer, and we know how that turned out.

Delph and Vlaar will both be here next season unless somebody offers stupid money for them (which they wont because they could get them for free next year).  Stop worrying and enjoy the summer.

Great post, and actually close to something I have been thinking, in that if we can get good season out of Vlaar and he plays his part in keeping us up then I would be happy to take a chance on him leaving on a free next year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Dave I really don't get the criticism of those of us who genuinely feel that the club is in truly dire straits as a "Doomsday scenario".  We have an owner who wants rid of us, a massively unpopular underachieving manager, no budget other than survival funds and no sign whatsoever of a potential buyer. If the club has ever faced a time with more to lose and less to cling to I have never seen it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 11:31:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:14:16 AM
I agree with Dave in that the 99.9% off line is based on pretty much no discernible evidence (for such a strong claim) but I think you also make a very valid point here.

Confidence in the club to get things right (in terms of squad), to put us in a position where we can improve considerably, to suggest they know what they're doing, is at a very low level these days.

It'd be nice to see some real evidence that they can do all of the above.

I agree that the '99.9% gone' comment is OTT (not sure who made it), but I still struggle to see how so many people are relaxed about the current plight of the club.

I'm hopeful that the next couple of players we bring in will bring in an air of optimism with them and would hope that the club would be looking to throw a few 'good news' stories around by way of a PR exercise.

Plus, it's Friday, and the sun's shining.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 04, 2014, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Dave I really don't get the criticism of those of us who genuinely feel that the club is in truly dire straits as a "Domesday scenario".  We have an owner who wants rid of us, a massively unpopular underachieving manager, no budget other than survival funds and no sign whatsoever of a potential buyer. If the club has ever faced a time with more to lose and less to cling to I have never seen it.

I can see where he is coming from in terms of there being little concrete (see what I did there!) evidence of Vlaar wanting a move, but then just to put it down to fans being negative is a bit lame.  Given his age, the fact that he is having a strong world cup, and that he should be able to attract better clubs then I don't think it is too much of a leap to suggest that he might be tempted to move.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 04, 2014, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Dave I really don't get the criticism of those of us who genuinely feel that the club is in truly dire straits as a "Domesday scenario".  We have an owner who wants rid of us, a massively unpopular underachieving manager, no budget other than survival funds and no sign whatsoever of a potential buyer. If the club has ever faced a time with more to lose and less to cling to I have never seen it.

I can see where he is coming from in terms of there being little concrete (see what I did there!) evidence of Vlaar wanting a move, but then just to put it down to fans being negative is a bit lame.  Given his age, the fact that he is having a strong world cup, and that he should be able to attract better clubs then I don't think it is too much of a leap to suggest that he might be tempted to move.

Plus, it's a Transfer Speculation thread. Sadly, with the way things currently are we're as likely to be speculating about players leaving as we are them joining.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on July 04, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
There was an article in the BM which states new deals to be discussed with Gabby, Vlaar and Delph.

We did sit down with Albrighton, a distinctly average player at best, who was offered £35k per week from Leicester. We would have been mental to have matched that and Albrighton would have been mental to have turned that down.

Yes - we would have been. Still I could see from his perspective why he would want parity with e.g. Clark.

And there is absolutely no way we should be offering a new contract to Gabby - he is a busted flush and is now a no trick pony.

I'd rather the money not spent on him goes to retaining Vlaar and Delph. After all they make up 50% of the first team who are actually good enough at this level (accepting Kozak and Okore may increase the number to 6 in time).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Dave I really don't get the criticism of those of us who genuinely feel that the club is in truly dire straits as a "Doomsday scenario".  We have an owner who wants rid of us, a massively unpopular underachieving manager, no budget other than survival funds and no sign whatsoever of a potential buyer. If the club has ever faced a time with more to lose and less to cling to I have never seen it.

I don't think we are in dire straits though Brian. We potentially have a slightly better team than last season where we survived with games to spare and we aren't in massive debt to shysters who will sell us down the river to get their money back or make a fast buck.
 We are, in essence, decidedly bloody average. Of course this isn't good enough for Aston Villa and it's fans, but it's not as bad as is being painted by a fair few on here and elsewhere.

 I hesitate to make such a glib statement as "At least we're not Coventry or Leeds (or Hereford or Salisbury...or many others)" but, well, we're not are we?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on July 04, 2014, 02:01:58 PM
Let's face facts with what we have we are staring at a 5th season of struggle / relegation battle.

Burnley should be worse than us and we need a couple of others to implode / panic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
we survived with games to spare

I'm sorry, but that's positive spin in the extreme. We survived with 2 games to spare, and promptly proceeded to concede 7 goals and score none in those 2 games.

And I'm afraid we're not "bang average". We've been in relegation battles for the past 2 seasons. We're poor, and many of us see nothing in the signings so far that will "potentially improve us".

I'm all for seeing the positives in any situation, but I genuinely don't see any for us at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on July 04, 2014, 02:05:20 PM
I wouldn't say we're decidedly average, that to me would be a Stoke. We are worse than they are. We also have two of our best players with 1 year left and I have no faith that the club will sort the situation out properly before they leave for nothing, leaving us to replace them with more tatt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:07:55 PM
Last season's struggle was more of an exaggerated version of Houlliers, where we started poorly, but then picked up a lot post January. So much so, that we finished 9th, albeit in a tight league. We were never going down though.

Last season was like that, but perhaps more pronounced. We were never going down and looked bang average up until possibly our best performance of the season against Chelsea, where we collapsed and limped home, unbeknown that we had secured safety against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 02:11:03 PM
The current feeling by many is a result of the last few years plus the catastrophic way we collapsed we fell from safety post Chelsea to near relegation. I said last year that has the season gone 2 more games we'd be gone. That all said, I have always been of the belief that every new season is not an extension of the previous one. Otherwise the worst teams from each prior year would go down. We all know that isn't how it works.

Last year the season could not have ended soon enough and there was clearly things happening behind the scenes that derailed what appeared on the surface to be a good or improving situation. I'll always remain my optimism going into a new campaign and while we absolutely must strengthen we have the basis of a team that can finish mid table. If the ownership situation resolves itself it will either confirm my beliefs or strengthen them with or without Lambert.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:07:55 PM
Last season's struggle was more of an exaggerated version of Houlliers

I don't see the comparison to Houllier's season to be honest. Houllier came into the club with the season already underway and had a rebuilding job on his hands from the moment he came in.

Yes, we struggled at times, but tactically and in terms of our style of play we were much more advanced than we are now. We played some pretty decent possession football at times that season and actually finished it looking like a very good team. To me, that's miles away from the Villa Team I watched last season, where it very much looked like our Manager and Coaching staff had regressed from the previous year.

I didn't particularly like Houllier (whilst I actually do like Lambert) but the comparisons to his Villa Team and Lambert's just aren't accurate IMO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
I hesitate to make such a glib statement as "At least we're not Coventry or Leeds (or Hereford or Salisbury...or many others)" but, well, we're not are we?
We're not Stoke, Palace or Swansea either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
I hesitate to make such a glib statement as "At least we're not Coventry or Leeds (or Hereford or Salisbury...or many others)" but, well, we're not are we?
We're not Stoke, Palace or Swansea either.

You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:07:55 PM
Last season's struggle was more of an exaggerated version of Houlliers

I don't see the comparison to Houllier's season to be honest. Houllier came into the club with the season already underway and had a rebuilding job on his hands from the moment he came in.

Yes, we struggled at times, but tactically and in terms of our style of play we were much more advanced than we are now. We played some pretty decent possession football at times that season and actually finished it looking like a very good team. To me, that's miles away from the Villa Team I watched last season, where it very much looked like our Manager and Coaching staff had regressed from the previous year.

I didn't particularly like Houllier (whilst I actually do like Lambert) but the comparisons to his Villa Team and Lambert's just aren't accurate IMO.

I am not comparing styles, I am making a comment on struggling and how close or not we have come to being relegated.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
I hesitate to make such a glib statement as "At least we're not Coventry or Leeds (or Hereford or Salisbury...or many others)" but, well, we're not are we?
We're not Stoke, Palace or Swansea either.

You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.

The inference being that Stoke, Palace and Swansea "not finishing out of sight of us" made it an acceptable season?!

I don't get this line that "we were never going down" last season. I refuse to believe that anyone who's used it was at the Fulham game, because it certainly felt like we were in the shit then.

As for the comment about the line between 9th and 15th being a fine one and "a couple of results going the other way" making a difference,  then by your logic the line between finishing 15th and 18th is half as thin, no?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:37:30 PM
I am not comparing styles, I am making a comment on struggling and how close or not we have come to being relegated.

Either way, I don't see the comparison. Two completely different seasons to me, not least because the one just passed was Lambert's second season, and almost completely his own squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
The inference being that Stoke, Palace and Swansea "not finishing out of sight of us" made it an acceptable season?!
No, the inference that the fact that we finished behind those three teams doesn't mean that they light years ahead of us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
No, I say it as examples of teams that outperformed us last season.  More relevant, in my opinion, than comparing us to Coventry or Leeds.  Palace in particular were dead and buried and yet finished 7 points ahead of us. 

A couple of results going the other way would have seen us relegated.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
The inference being that Stoke, Palace and Swansea "not finishing out of sight of us" made it an acceptable season?!
No, the inference that the fact that we finished behind those three teams doesn't mean that they light years ahead of us.

The fear being that those 3 clubs will be investing heavily in their squads this summer while we don't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Palace will probably go down, while Swansea may recover from not having European football, or alternatively, sack Monk before Christmas and struggle again.

I don't understand the logic that 19 other clubs just get stronger and stronger, while we get worse. We've got better if anything in terms of players we could put on the pitch tomorrow compared to what we had in the last few weeks of last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
No, I say it as examples of teams that outperformed us last season.  More relevant, in my opinion, than comparing us to Coventry or Leeds.  Palace in particular were dead and buried and yet finished 7 points ahead of us. 

A couple of results going the other way would have seen us relegated.[/b[

You've made Chris' point for him. A couple of results either way and you can be relagted. Or finish 9th. Small margins in this poor, poor league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
The inference being that Stoke, Palace and Swansea "not finishing out of sight of us" made it an acceptable season?!
No, the inference that the fact that we finished behind those three teams doesn't mean that they light years ahead of us.

The fear being that those 3 clubs will be investing heavily in their squads this season while we don't.

Actually, that's got the makings of a good chant, "We're Aston Villa, Swansea, Palace and Stoke aren't light-years ahead of us" ;-)

Another poster mentioned those clubs, not me. I just tried to add a little perspective rather than the doom laden hysteria that seems to have stricken a few of you.

It's the first week in July and you've already written off the season, don't you think even by the standards of Internet hysteria that is a little bit premature?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
No, I say it as examples of teams that outperformed us last season.  More relevant, in my opinion, than comparing us to Coventry or Leeds.  Palace in particular were dead and buried and yet finished 7 points ahead of us. 

A couple of results going the other way would have seen us relegated.[/b[

You've made Chris' point for him. A couple of results either way and you can be relagted. Or finish 9th. Small margins in this poor, poor league.

We finished 12 points away from 9th place and 5 points away from being relegated. Whoever made it, it wasn't a very good point.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
I think we're okay for another year to be honest. I expect us to be a tad stronger than last season, and I'd rather start a season without our best player, than finish a season without him, so hopefully Tekkers coming back into the side at the end of this year will see us finishing reasonable, as opposed to what happened last season and in McLeish's where we lost our top scorer and crawled over the line. I'm calm(ish), though in part because I don't want to just worry about relegation just yet to be honest. I need a break. I think we'll keep our heads above water throughout the season, barring too many injuries. I think we'll stay in or around that bloated middle in the Prem full of average as shite sides. The 3 promoted sides will struggle. Some of the overachievers of last season like Hull will struggle. Southampton will need to buy 4-5 really top players or they'll be down here too. Palace are going to struggle and Sunderland will too. There's plenty of competition for those bottom 3 places. I expect us to remain reasonably comfortable and in actuality, I think we'll improve on our position of 15th from the last 2 years. Again, barring a nightmare injury scenario, but we're surely due some luck on that front.

However, in a years time when we could conceivably lose Vlaar, Delph and Gabby for nothing, and still have an owner in place who doesn't want us any more, and I'd imagine Benteke eyeing the exit door, I'll probably be bricking it at the thought of the following season.

Until we're back in the shite, I'm temporarily retired from the worrying business. I'm currently in the head in the clouds business of believing Joe Cole will be our new Merson, that Senderos will surprise every one, and that Delph will step up a level and hit double figures from midfield, and that Westwood will suddenly discover he's actually Pirlo's love child...oh and a lottery win...that'd be nice too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 04, 2014, 03:05:32 PM
However we look at it, last season was shit and this season is going to be shit as well unless we do something about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
It's the first week in July and you've already written off the season, don't you think even by the standards of Internet hysteria that is a little bit premature?

Doom laden hysteria. Good one. I'll rise above any kind of retort using the words "naive" or "deluded". No one's written off the season yet. People are worried about next season given the current situation of the club off the pitch, and recent years of struggle on it. That to me is just realism and I'm afraid that pointing out if we'd won just 40% more games last season we'd have finished 9th doesn't fill me with any more optimism at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2014, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
No, I say it as examples of teams that outperformed us last season.  More relevant, in my opinion, than comparing us to Coventry or Leeds.  Palace in particular were dead and buried and yet finished 7 points ahead of us. 

A couple of results going the other way would have seen us relegated.[/b[

You've made Chris' point for him. A couple of results either way and you can be relagted. Or finish 9th. Small margins in this poor, poor league.

We finished 12 points away from 9th place and 5 points away from being relegated. Whoever made it, it wasn't a very good point.
Unless you hit 40 points you've not really been anything close to comfortable really. In Houlliers season we'd reached 40 points by mid-april I think, so in retrospect we'd got home and dry with plenty of time to spare.

That said I also believe the league doesn't lie. The bottom 3 last season was as should have been really. They were all wretched. I would expect with our squad as is, that there will almost certainly be 3 teams worse than us next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
Another poster mentioned those clubs, not me. I just tried to add a little perspective rather than the doom laden hysteria that seems to have stricken a few of you.

It's the first week in July and you've already written off the season, don't you think even by the standards of Internet hysteria that is a little bit premature?
I rather think it's you who is getting hysterical.  Not only have I not written off the season, anywhere, but all I have done is point out three clubs that outperformed us last season, which they did.

If you believe that equates to 'doom-laden hysteria' then the problem lies with you, not me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
We finished 12 points away from 9th place and 5 points away from being relegated. Whoever made it, it wasn't a very good point.
Exactly.  A couple of results going the other way, in our favour, would have seen us finish 12th rather than 15th, and above only one of the three teams I mentioned.  A couple of results going the other way, against us, would have seen us go down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
It's the first week in July and you've already written off the season, don't you think even by the standards of Internet hysteria that is a little bit premature?

Doom laden hysteria. Good one. I'll rise above any kind of retort using the words "naive" or "deluded". No one's written off the season yet. People are worried about next season given the current situation of the club off the pitch, and recent years of struggle on it. That to me is just realism and I'm afraid that pointing out if we'd won just 40% more games last season we'd have finished 9th doesn't fill me with any more optimism at the moment.

You say realism, I say pessimism; you say deluded (although pretending that you aren't), I say 'doom laden'.

I would accept your argument if there was even a little balance to it, instead from what I see you immediately jump on any argument not quite fitting in with your hard line stance.

For me there are too many ifs-and-buts to be able to draw any firm conclusions about next season, and that will be the case until I see the squad at the end of August. I am all for a good discussion but there has to be more to it than everything is shit and we are going to get relegated. I have seen it too often, playing up what other clubs are doing while dismissing anything that we do.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
I am all for a good discussion but there has to be more to it than everything is shit and we are going to get relegated.
If anyone was actually saying that you'd have a point.  But they aren't, so you don't.

Why is it that dissent is misrepresented as utter doom and gloom by those who don't agree?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 04, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
I can not get either excited or concerned until we know who the owner will be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
No, I say it as examples of teams that outperformed us last season.  More relevant, in my opinion, than comparing us to Coventry or Leeds.  Palace in particular were dead and buried and yet finished 7 points ahead of us. 

A couple of results going the other way would have seen us relegated.[/b[

You've made Chris' point for him. A couple of results either way and you can be relagted. Or finish 9th. Small margins in this poor, poor league.

We finished 12 points away from 9th place and 5 points away from being relegated. Whoever made it, it wasn't a very good point.

Stoke beat us twice. If we had beaten them twice, we'd have finished level or above them; that's what two games can do. So the point still stands.

The inference was however towards the Arsenal and Liverpool games which saw us 9th and put a gloss on a poor season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
For me there are too many ifs-and-buts to be able to draw any firm conclusions about next season, and that will be the case until I see the squad at the end of August. I am all for a good discussion but there has to be more to it than everything is shit and we are going to get relegated. I have seen it too often, playing up what other clubs are doing while dismissing anything that we do.   

I think you need to re-read the posts Chris. You're the only person that keeps mentioning next season. We're talking about where we finished last season and making reference to the 2 signings that we've brought-in so far this summer. You seem completely oblivious to the situation the club is currently in, in terms of ownership, management and playing staff. You're entitled to your opinion obviously, but I can't understand this acceptance of everything that happens at the club. You seem completely oblivious to how badly we're doing as a Football Club (or happy with it?).

You talk about balance and realism, but then make statements about how close we were to finishing 9th last season, that completely contradict the point you're trying to make. And your assertion that mine (or any other's) viewpoint that "everything is shit" is lazy, patronising and simply not true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You say that as though those teams finished totally out of sight of us, whcih just isn't the case.

I'm not going to get into an ifs and buts argument but the line between 9th and 16th is a fine one, where a couple of results going the other way makes all the difference.
No, I say it as examples of teams that outperformed us last season.  More relevant, in my opinion, than comparing us to Coventry or Leeds.  Palace in particular were dead and buried and yet finished 7 points ahead of us. 

A couple of results going the other way would have seen us relegated.[/b[

You've made Chris' point for him. A couple of results either way and you can be relagted. Or finish 9th. Small margins in this poor, poor league.

We finished 12 points away from 9th place and 5 points away from being relegated. Whoever made it, it wasn't a very good point.

Stoke beat us twice. If we had beaten them twice, we'd have finished level or above them; that's what two games can do. So the point still stands.

The inference was however towards the Arsenal and Liverpool games which saw us 9th and put a gloss on a poor season.

It still doesn't stack-up, it just makes it more illogical. You could pick out any 2 fixtures and say "if" the results were different. They weren't. Fulham beat us twice this season. We beat Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal. It's a mute point. It means nothing. We finished 15th, 5 points from safety. That's the reality. There' literally nothing you can say to me that will make me think that was anything other than a poor season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
It's not illogical at all. I think you're refusing to engage in the positive interpretation of what Hilts said.

Hilts brought up the point about a couple of games, albeit to show how things could have gone worse than they did and how others (i.e Stoke) out performed us. I am merely pointing out that it cuts both ways and that it also shows that as little as 180 minutes of football would see us claw back on Stoke and that they're not insurmountably in front of us.

I have not suggested anywhere that it wasn't a poor season. It was piss poor and I have not pretended otherwise.

Edit: I think the slip in language of being 5 points from safety rather than 5 from the drop suggests you're a glass half empty chap!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
It's not illogical at all. I think you're refusing to engage in the positive interpretation of what Hilts said.

Hilts brought up the point about a couple of games, albeit to show how things could have gone worse than they did and how others (i.e Stoke) out performed us. I am merely pointing out that it cuts both ways and that it also shows that as little as 180 minutes of football would see us claw back on Stoke and that they're not insurmountably in front of us.

I have not suggested anywhere that it wasn't a poor season. It was piss poor and I have not pretended otherwise.


You compared last season to Houllier's where we finished ninth. Chris made the statement that "there was a fine line between finishing 9th and 15th." I disagreed with both of those points.

Your last point however, I agree with wholeheartedly!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
Hilts brought up the point about a couple of games, albeit to show how things could have gone worse than they did and how others (i.e Stoke) out performed us. I am merely pointing out that it cuts both ways and that it also shows that as little as 180 minutes of football would see us claw back on Stoke and that they're not insurmountably in front of us.
The point I was really trying to make was not that Stoke, Palace or Swansea were insurmountably in front of us, simply that they *were* in front of us.  Stoke and Swansea you might argue were a decent chance to finish in front of us anyway (leaving aside how that has come to pass); Palace on the other hand, as I said, were dead and buried and yet ended up 7 points ahead.

It's one thing to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Everton and Southampton', another to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Stoke or Swansea' but Palace?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:44:21 PM
I will clarify what I meant by my comparison with 2010/11 and last season

I didn't think we would go down on either occasion, which proved the case. Under Houllier we were poor up until February thereafter where things started to click and were more or less safe (if not mathematically) a good while before we beat Arsenal.

Last season we didn't have the brush with the bottom three as we had under Houllier and were largely bang mid-table for the entire campaign, ironically until we had (unknowingly) secured survival, whereby we promptly collapsed and made real heavy weather of the next 7 or 8 games.

Neither seasons were a total struggle but contained flashed or utter ineptitude.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 04:47:13 PM
So, in other words, they 2 completely different seasons....?

;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
Hilts brought up the point about a couple of games, albeit to show how things could have gone worse than they did and how others (i.e Stoke) out performed us. I am merely pointing out that it cuts both ways and that it also shows that as little as 180 minutes of football would see us claw back on Stoke and that they're not insurmountably in front of us.
The point I was really trying to make was not that Stoke, Palace or Swansea were insurmountably in front of us, simply that they *were* in front of us.  Stoke and Swansea you might argue were a decent chance to finish in front of us anyway (leaving aside how that has come to pass); Palace on the other hand, as I said, were dead and buried and yet ended up 7 points ahead.

It's one thing to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Everton and Southampton', another to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Stoke or Swansea' but Palace?

In case of your second paragraph, I would agree to a point. While talk of devine right smacks of the sort of thing Wolves' fans come out with, I personally think in the grand scheme of things that only one of those clubs should be capable of competing with the Villa and that it should be at the business end of the league.

The idea that we're incapable of competing with clubs like Swansea, Palace or Stoke, who put together still wouldn't be half as big as us, is baffling. But I do understand just how difficult a set of circumstances we have been operating under these past few years which has hamstrung us.


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:55:28 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
The idea that we're incapable of competing with clubs like Swansea, Palace or Stoke, who put together still wouldn't be half as big as us is baffling. But I do understand just how difficult a set of circumstances we have been operating under these past few years which has hamstrung us.
I'm not sure that suggestion is being made; certainly not by me.  In fact I agree with you: we are, or should be, well capable of competing with those clubs.  So why aren't we?  We've had injury problems, it's true, but so have Swansea.  Having said that, almost all of our problems have been self-inflicted, the financial ones in particular.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:55:28 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
The idea that we're incapable of competing with clubs like Swansea, Palace or Stoke, who put together still wouldn't be half as big as us is baffling. But I do understand just how difficult a set of circumstances we have been operating under these past few years which has hamstrung us.
I'm not sure that suggestion is being made; certainly not by me.  In fact I agree with you: we are, or should be, well capable of competing with those clubs.  So why aren't we?  We've had injury problems, it's true, but so have Swansea.  Having said that, almost all of our problems have been self-inflicted, the financial ones in particular.

I think it is the financial aspect above all others, which as you say, are entirely self inflicted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 04, 2014, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
Hilts brought up the point about a couple of games, albeit to show how things could have gone worse than they did and how others (i.e Stoke) out performed us. I am merely pointing out that it cuts both ways and that it also shows that as little as 180 minutes of football would see us claw back on Stoke and that they're not insurmountably in front of us.
The point I was really trying to make was not that Stoke, Palace or Swansea were insurmountably in front of us, simply that they *were* in front of us.  Stoke and Swansea you might argue were a decent chance to finish in front of us anyway (leaving aside how that has come to pass); Palace on the other hand, as I said, were dead and buried and yet ended up 7 points ahead.

It's one thing to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Everton and Southampton', another to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Stoke or Swansea' but Palace?
Which just goes to show how bad last season was, when we accrued 3 points from the 18 available against Stoke, Swansea and Palace.
The issue for next season is simple really: if the clubs around us invest some of their c.£60m Premiership booty sensibly we're in trouble; compounded by the continued uncertainty over ownership.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 05:07:31 PM
The reason to same clubs are at the bottom despite the immense levels of PL money available is that invariably none of them invest the money wisely or sensibly. Any club that figures out the magic formula tied to increased PL money, player purchases and sales and player wages can get out of the rut. We've burnt our money in the past few years. We'll get out of the cycle of misery if the next cheque is spent better and with considerable thought to the future as much as the present.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 05:11:01 PM
What we need to do is simple. Buy decent players, players better than the ones we already have, in the positions in which we are weakest.

If we fail to do that, we will struggle again. If we fail to do it and the other perennial strugglers do a better job of it than we do, we'll go down.

If the current approach goes on for too much longer, then it is going to end up with us going down at some point.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 04, 2014, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 05:11:01 PM
What we need to do is simple. Buy decent players, players better than the ones we already have, in the positions in which we are weakest.

If we fail to do that, we will struggle again. If we fail to do it and the other perennial strugglers do a better job of it than we do, we'll go down.

If the current approach goes on for too much longer, then it is going to end up with us going down at some point.
Yeah, the point I was making because we are probably not going to be spending much until the ownership issue is settled.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 04, 2014, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 05:11:01 PM
What we need to do is simple. Buy decent players, players better than the ones we already have, in the positions in which we are weakest.

If we fail to do that, we will struggle again. If we fail to do it and the other perennial strugglers do a better job of it than we do, we'll go down.

If the current approach goes on for too much longer, then it is going to end up with us going down at some point.
Yeah, the point I was making because we are probably not going to be spending much until the ownership issue is settled.

That's my concern. It's one thing to put us in financial deep freeze while we are for sale, or being bought, but what happens if it drags on - as it could?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2014, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 05:11:01 PM
What we need to do is simple. Buy decent players, players better than the ones we already have, in the positions in which we are weakest.

If we fail to do that, we will struggle again. If we fail to do it and the other perennial strugglers do a better job of it than we do, we'll go down.

If the current approach goes on for too much longer, then it is going to end up with us going down at some point.

This was from a thread half way through McLeish's season.

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 20, 2011, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on December 20, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: mal on December 20, 2011, 11:40:57 AM
Next Season though, with AM at the helm and he'll have his hat-trick.
My main hope against this is we've reached where we want to be wages wise now, so once the likes of Heskey, Ireland and Cuellar go they can be replaced with players who give us more for the wages. 

The only problem here is you can easily end in a viscous downward spiral if the target is a percentage of turnover rather than an absolute number.

As the wage bill comes down, if the standard of football comes down with it, less people turn up spending less money and turnover is down, so the wage bill has to come down even further - repeat until relegated unless you've got a manager who can genuinely get mediocre players to overperform for the majority of the time.

The only part of the equation that we know has changed, is that turnover must be up by virtue of the insane Sky deal.

However, if Randy is using it to try and claw back some of the losses (not the same as taking money out of the club or asset stripping), then the same problem remains, and the question reverts to have we got a manager who can genuinely get mediocre players to overperform for the majority of the time?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation

Surely that depends on the players that we are looking to get in this summer? Better to wait til September 1st to make a more informed forecast?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 04, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation

Surely that depends on the players that we are looking to get in this summer? Better to wait til September 1st to make a more informed forecast?

What I was saying is that if there is no takeover we are not in a position to really strengthen the team. We've skated on thin ice for the last two seasons. If we go through next season with the current squad we will be relegated. I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 04, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
As saints appear to be having a closing down sale, Steven
Davis anyone ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 04, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 04, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation

Surely that depends on the players that we are looking to get in this summer? Better to wait til September 1st to make a more informed forecast?

What I was saying is that if there is no takeover we are not in a position to really strengthen the team. We've skated on thin ice for the last two seasons. If we go through next season with the current squad we will be relegated. I hope I'm wrong.

Two years ago our centre halves were Herd, Clark and Baker and we didn't go down, now they are Okore, Vlaar and Senderos so I'm confident we won't go down, don't think we'll be top half either but certainly don't think we'll drop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation

Yes absolutely nailed on. Completely agree. No other outcome could be possible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation

Yes absolutely nailed on. Completely agree. No other outcome could be possible.

We may not be dead certs to go down but without a takeover we'll certainly be in for our 5th consecutive relegation battle, and that's bloody scandalous for a club the size of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
Quote from: Dlp on July 04, 2014, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 04, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
To cut to the chase, Villa will not progress with RL at the helm - he's held the club back since 2010 - I can't wait to see the back of him - not that we've seen much of him lately anyway.

Totally agree. The simple equation is: No takeover = Relegation

Yes absolutely nailed on. Completely agree. No other outcome could be possible.

We may not be dead certs to go down but without a takeover we'll certainly be in for our 5th consecutive relegation battle, and that's bloody scandalous for a club the size of Aston Villa.

That's not what he said though was it? You've stated what might be considered the obvious whereas he hasn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 04, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
we survived with games to spare

I'm sorry, but that's positive spin in the extreme. We survived with 2 games to spare, and promptly proceeded to concede 7 goals and score none in those 2 games.


We had accumulated the amount of points it eventually took to survive by the end of March. We were fucking awful in the run in but essentially we were already safe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 04, 2014, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 04, 2014, 04:44:15 PM

It's one thing to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Everton and Southampton', another to say 'we have no divine right to finish ahead of Stoke or Swansea' but Palace?

Palace had a Tiny Penis inspired miracle run, it happens now and again. I'm sure Swansea, Sunderland, Wet Spam and the Boggies felt they also should have finished above "the likes of Palace" as well, but there you go.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 10:58:45 PM
It will be interesting to see how much Southampton spend, and how much over the top for less ability replacements they are forced to pay.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 04, 2014, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 10:13:22 PM

We may not be dead certs to go down but without a takeover we'll certainly be in for our 5th consecutive relegation battle, and that's bloody scandalous for a club the size of Aston Villa.

With the wrong takeover we could be doing a Leeds, they were a big club once you know.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 11:03:27 PM
Just don't buy a season ticket in a seat with a 17 on it!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.

Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on July 04, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
Maybe an evening of discussions with the fans of Notts Forest, Leeds, Derby, Sheff Weds and Luton would give us some perspective on the perils of taking your eye off the ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.


Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

And Spurs have achieved what exactly?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.

Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

What are you on about?

How do we mainly replace them with lower league or foreign players, let's look at the 4 that regularly come up:

Barry - replaced by Downing which allowed Milner to move inside
Milner - replaced with Ireland who many thought would be better for us but it didn't work out
Young - replaced with Nzogbia who was the overwhelming first choice
Downing - The only one you may have a point with he was replaced by Albrighton effectively, who had looked a fantastic prospect the year before.

The 2 key ones there are just signings that didn't work out, not the cheap tat you're suggesting.

What we've actually done wrong is replace our average players with more average players, so as the thing above haven't worked out we've got weaker, if we'd strengthened the squad by buying first team players to replace the squad players we'd have absorbed the failures better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.


Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

And Spurs have achieved what exactly?

Well they didn't lose 10 league games at home last season. Nor have they been routinely humiliated like we have over the last few years either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.

Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

What are you on about?

How do we mainly replace them with lower league or foreign players, let's look at the 4 that regularly come up:

Barry - replaced by Downing which allowed Milner to move inside
Milner - replaced with Ireland who many thought would be better for us but it didn't work out
Young - replaced with Nzogbia who was the overwhelming first choice
Downing - The only one you may have a point with he was replaced by Albrighton effectively, who had looked a fantastic prospect the year before.

The 2 key ones there are just signings that didn't work out, not the cheap tat you're suggesting.

What we've actually done wrong is replace our average players with more average players, so as the thing above haven't worked out we've got weaker, if we'd strengthened the squad by buying first team players to replace the squad players we'd have absorbed the failures better.

You're right, Barry, Downing, Young, Milner and co never actually left and we'll soon wake up from the nightmare that is Baker, Clark, El Ahmadi, Bennett, Luna and co.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.

Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

What are you on about?

How do we mainly replace them with lower league or foreign players, let's look at the 4 that regularly come up:

Barry - replaced by Downing which allowed Milner to move inside
Milner - replaced with Ireland who many thought would be better for us but it didn't work out
Young - replaced with Nzogbia who was the overwhelming first choice
Downing - The only one you may have a point with he was replaced by Albrighton effectively, who had looked a fantastic prospect the year before.

The 2 key ones there are just signings that didn't work out, not the cheap tat you're suggesting.

What we've actually done wrong is replace our average players with more average players, so as the thing above haven't worked out we've got weaker, if we'd strengthened the squad by buying first team players to replace the squad players we'd have absorbed the failures better.

Pretty well reasoned. But essentially we have ended up with a central midfield that was Petrov, Barry and Milner and Young and Downing wide, with only N'Zogbia to show as replacements, and Delph who has stepped up. Beyond that, the players in those positions have been nowhere near the quality we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.

Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

What are you on about?

How do we mainly replace them with lower league or foreign players, let's look at the 4 that regularly come up:

Barry - replaced by Downing which allowed Milner to move inside
Milner - replaced with Ireland who many thought would be better for us but it didn't work out
Young - replaced with Nzogbia who was the overwhelming first choice
Downing - The only one you may have a point with he was replaced by Albrighton effectively, who had looked a fantastic prospect the year before.

The 2 key ones there are just signings that didn't work out, not the cheap tat you're suggesting.

What we've actually done wrong is replace our average players with more average players, so as the thing above haven't worked out we've got weaker, if we'd strengthened the squad by buying first team players to replace the squad players we'd have absorbed the failures better.

You're right, Barry, Downing, Young, Milner and co never actually left and we'll soon wake up from the nightmare that is Baker, Clark, El Ahmadi, Bennett, Luna and co.

I don't even ...

Ozz, I'm not saying that didn't happen, what I'm saying is the the argument that we didn't replace our best players properly is just revisionist bullshit.

We have clearly made mistakes and we're clearly cutting wages and trying to 'reset' to an affordable position which has hurt us, but the worst of that has only happened when we haven't had anyone (Benteke excepted) who's been worth anything to sell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 04, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
TBH it's all a bit pointless anyway. Look at how our reasonable team was dismantled in 2010. How many Saints fans thought they'd be starting the new season with all their players gone? Simple fact is that any team outside the top 4 that gets decent are forced to sell their players because of what the game has become.


Not really. Tottenham regularly sell their best players but reinvest the money back into the squad. We sell our best players and mainly replace them with players from the lower leagues and cheap foreigners who are clearly out of their depth. Basically our squad has been asset stripped over the last 4 years to balance the books. You get what you pay for in life. That's why we're no more than relegation fodder these days.

And Spurs have achieved what exactly?

Well, they're top four contenders year after year, and have played in the Champions League.

I appreciate, they've not exactly needed to do much extra polishing in the trophy cabinet, but they're in an entirely different league to us now.

Five or six years ago, we were competing with them. Nowadays we are about as relevant to Spurs as Stoke City are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:37:10 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.
Very triumphant, winning an argument that nobody else is arguing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:37:10 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.
Very triumphant, winning an argument that nobody else is arguing.

Quit your stirring, Dave.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Alright, once you quit twisting people's words and arguments to fit in with your narrow-minded world view.

Deal?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 11:44:07 PM
Tumbleweed will roll across the rainforest before that agreement is made.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.

I think if you focus on "replacing our best players", then you can't see the wood for the trees.

It's not really about how we replaced those players - poorly, as it turned out, but not necessarily cheaply, although we tried to replace both Young and Downing with one player - it is about how we have managed the squad in general over that period.

Basically, we've totally fucked it up. We've spent huge amounts of money and just sat and watched as the value we accumulated in the squad leaked out. Following on from that, we've bought a succession of really pretty poor players.

Bennett
KEA
Luna
Tonev
Sylla
Bowery

Clearly nothing like good enough.

If we want to improve, then financially we are going to have to stand up and be counted, we can not go on as we have done for the last few years. It has disaster written all over it.

I am inclined to think that "10m for fees AND wages" story is untrue, but if our spending were to be anything like at that level, then these people would be truly gambling with the future of the club. The league is going to be even more awash than ever with money this year, we can't just pretend we live in a bubble where we're not compared with other clubs - that's the whole point of football, you're comparing yourself to the rest, and if we think we can just bob along and not invest, then we're going to pay the price at some point.

I just have zero trust in these people any more. I think they're on autopilot, they've given up, all they want to do is minimise the money we spend.

We've become a club who don't even pretend to have any ambition - see the likes of the Joe Cole comments last week about how he is confident our returning players can help us avoid relegation. What does that say about our ambitions? How are we any different from the rest of the dross that perenially fights to avoid relegation? Nice ground, excellent history, but really, how do we differ from these clubs?

I'll wait and see who else we sign, but can any one of us seriously say that, had they been told at the end of last season that our first two signings would be Senderos and Joe Cole they wouldn't be worried?

We can't avoid it any more, we have absolutely got to start to spend proper money on decent footballers. Lerner and Faulkner have to realise that just because you really want something to be true (like the entire "just use loads of young players and in time they become ace" myth they bought into) doesn't mean it actually happens.

It doesn't really matter if Milner was replaced badly or if Barry's replacement was poor by comparison, all that stuff is in the past, we absolutely have to decide if we're going to pretend to have something approaching ambition, and if we are, we've got to start to show that financially.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Alright, once you quit twisting people's words and arguments to fit in with your narrow-minded world view.

Deal?

Yet you think nothing of twisting my words into some kind of "triumphant" sneer when there was none whatsoever.  Sort out your own narrow mindedness before you go pointing the finger at me.
Deal?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.

I think if you focus on "replacing our best players", then you can't see the wood for the trees.

It's not really about how we replaced those players - poorly, as it turned out, but not necessarily cheaply, although we tried to replace both Young and Downing with one player - it is about how we have managed the squad in general over that period.

Basically, we've totally fucked it up. We've spent huge amounts of money and just sat and watched as the value we accumulated in the squad leaked out. Following on from that, we've bought a succession of really pretty poor players.

Bennett
KEA
Luna
Tonev
Sylla
Bowery

Clearly nothing like good enough.

If we want to improve, then financially we are going to have to stand up and be counted, we can not go on as we have done for the last few years. It has disaster written all over it.

I am inclined to think that "10m for fees AND wages" story is untrue, but if our spending were to be anything like at that level, then these people would be truly gambling with the future of the club. The league is going to be even more awash than ever with money this year, we can't just pretend we live in a bubble where we're not compared with other clubs - that's the whole point of football, you're comparing yourself to the rest, and if we think we can just bob along and not invest, then we're going to pay the price at some point.

I just have zero trust in these people any more. I think they're on autopilot, they've given up, all they want to do is minimise the money we spend.

We've become a club who don't even pretend to have any ambition - see the likes of the Joe Cole comments last week about how he is confident our returning players can help us avoid relegation. What does that say about our ambitions? How are we any different from the rest of the dross that perenially fights to avoid relegation? Nice ground, excellent history, but really, how do we differ from these clubs?

I'll wait and see who else we sign, but can any one of us seriously say that, had they been told at the end of last season that our first two signings would be Senderos and Joe Cole they wouldn't be worried?

We can't avoid it any more, we have absolutely got to start to spend proper money on decent footballers. Lerner and Faulkner have to realise that just because you really want something to be true (like the entire "just use loads of young players and in time they become ace" myth they bought into) doesn't mean it actually happens.

It doesn't really matter if Milner was replaced badly or if Barry's replacement was poor by comparison, all that stuff is in the past, we absolutely have to decide if we're going to pretend to have something approaching ambition, and if we are, we've got to start to show that financially.

Agree 100%. I'll pay you to be my spokesman from now on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.

That's a completely different argument, our squad is clearly weaker, I've already said that, but you specifically said that we don't replace our best players when they get poached, I pointed out the last 4 players to whom that applies and proved you entirely wrong, we replaced 3 of them with like for like and the 4th with a highly rated prospect from our youth system who was coming off the back of a very good breakthrough season.  It's revisionist bullshit because no thought the replacements were shit at the time.  That they turned out badly is irrelevant to the argument, and therefore the respective squad strengths are completely irrelevant to your argument.

To clarify did you think:

replacing Barry with Downing and moving Milner inside was a poor decision?
Ireland was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Nzog was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Albrighton was going to go backwards for 2 years?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Alright, once you quit twisting people's words and arguments to fit in with your narrow-minded world view.

Deal?

Yet you think nothing of twisting my words into some kind of "triumphant" sneer when there was none whatsoever.  Sort out your own narrow mindedness before you go pointing the finger at me.
Deal?
I'm not sure I've even given an opinion on the topic to be narrow-minded or not, but you seem to have basically ignored all of Paul's points and decided that he's said something that he hasn't.

And added an excitable "Ha!" for good measure. I'm not overly sure why.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.

I think if you focus on "replacing our best players", then you can't see the wood for the trees.

It's not really about how we replaced those players - poorly, as it turned out, but not necessarily cheaply, although we tried to replace both Young and Downing with one player - it is about how we have managed the squad in general over that period.

Basically, we've totally fucked it up. We've spent huge amounts of money and just sat and watched as the value we accumulated in the squad leaked out. Following on from that, we've bought a succession of really pretty poor players.

Bennett
KEA
Luna
Tonev
Sylla
Bowery

Clearly nothing like good enough.

If we want to improve, then financially we are going to have to stand up and be counted, we can not go on as we have done for the last few years. It has disaster written all over it.

I am inclined to think that "10m for fees AND wages" story is untrue, but if our spending were to be anything like at that level, then these people would be truly gambling with the future of the club. The league is going to be even more awash than ever with money this year, we can't just pretend we live in a bubble where we're not compared with other clubs - that's the whole point of football, you're comparing yourself to the rest, and if we think we can just bob along and not invest, then we're going to pay the price at some point.

I just have zero trust in these people any more. I think they're on autopilot, they've given up, all they want to do is minimise the money we spend.

We've become a club who don't even pretend to have any ambition - see the likes of the Joe Cole comments last week about how he is confident our returning players can help us avoid relegation. What does that say about our ambitions? How are we any different from the rest of the dross that perenially fights to avoid relegation? Nice ground, excellent history, but really, how do we differ from these clubs?

I'll wait and see who else we sign, but can any one of us seriously say that, had they been told at the end of last season that our first two signings would be Senderos and Joe Cole they wouldn't be worried?

We can't avoid it any more, we have absolutely got to start to spend proper money on decent footballers. Lerner and Faulkner have to realise that just because you really want something to be true (like the entire "just use loads of young players and in time they become ace" myth they bought into) doesn't mean it actually happens.

It doesn't really matter if Milner was replaced badly or if Barry's replacement was poor by comparison, all that stuff is in the past, we absolutely have to decide if we're going to pretend to have something approaching ambition, and if we are, we've got to start to show that financially.

Agree 100%. I'll pay you to be my spokesman from now on.

No offence, but I'd rather apply for Andy Coulson's old job.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
Revisionist bullshit? Ha!
Take a look at our squad now and then compare it to the squad from 4 or so years ago and then tell me we replaced our best players properly.

I think if you focus on "replacing our best players", then you can't see the wood for the trees.

It's not really about how we replaced those players - poorly, as it turned out, but not necessarily cheaply, although we tried to replace both Young and Downing with one player - it is about how we have managed the squad in general over that period.

Basically, we've totally fucked it up. We've spent huge amounts of money and just sat and watched as the value we accumulated in the squad leaked out. Following on from that, we've bought a succession of really pretty poor players.

Bennett
KEA
Luna
Tonev
Sylla
Bowery

Clearly nothing like good enough.

If we want to improve, then financially we are going to have to stand up and be counted, we can not go on as we have done for the last few years. It has disaster written all over it.

I am inclined to think that "10m for fees AND wages" story is untrue, but if our spending were to be anything like at that level, then these people would be truly gambling with the future of the club. The league is going to be even more awash than ever with money this year, we can't just pretend we live in a bubble where we're not compared with other clubs - that's the whole point of football, you're comparing yourself to the rest, and if we think we can just bob along and not invest, then we're going to pay the price at some point.

I just have zero trust in these people any more. I think they're on autopilot, they've given up, all they want to do is minimise the money we spend.

We've become a club who don't even pretend to have any ambition - see the likes of the Joe Cole comments last week about how he is confident our returning players can help us avoid relegation. What does that say about our ambitions? How are we any different from the rest of the dross that perenially fights to avoid relegation? Nice ground, excellent history, but really, how do we differ from these clubs?

I'll wait and see who else we sign, but can any one of us seriously say that, had they been told at the end of last season that our first two signings would be Senderos and Joe Cole they wouldn't be worried?

We can't avoid it any more, we have absolutely got to start to spend proper money on decent footballers. Lerner and Faulkner have to realise that just because you really want something to be true (like the entire "just use loads of young players and in time they become ace" myth they bought into) doesn't mean it actually happens.

It doesn't really matter if Milner was replaced badly or if Barry's replacement was poor by comparison, all that stuff is in the past, we absolutely have to decide if we're going to pretend to have something approaching ambition, and if we are, we've got to start to show that financially.

Agree 100%. I'll pay you to be my spokesman from now on.

How can you agree 100%, his first line is an arrow directly to the centre of the argument you've been making until now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 11:53:18 PM
Paulie, it is simply not going to happen under Lerner. So the answer is clear, he wants out and we are stuck on a little island in the middle of the sea, which is rising all the time. Rather than find a solution, Lerner has waived the white flag. The only folly in all of that is he seems* to have failed to realise that unless he does invest 20 million (that should really be covered by TV money) on 3 players plus their wages of that level, he is essentially playing chicken with about 75-100 million of the valuation of the club. Bloody silly game to play if you ask me, but then I am not him.

We need to buy some spine and some creativity. That are significantly better than Cole and Senderos.

*Seems as there is 2 months to go of the window. We all know deep down that Niklas Bentdner is about the highest our aspiration will reach though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:56:09 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I am under no illusion of the financial deep freeze situation we are in.

I am actually starting to feel more kinship for Lambert, given the absurd working conditions.

Randy has done a lot of good things for Villa, but I honestly don't think I could ever forgive, or overlook, the totality and speed of his disengagement from the club.

He's basically made it extremely clear (after the club informally denying it for two years) that he's got bored.

We deserve better than that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
I think some kind of plan that says right, we have put right the MON wrongs, we have a manager we believe in and lets back him within the financial envelope of the TV money moving forward, but the wage bill seems to have been stripped to a kind of Wigan level, not even a Stoke level. Very very strange.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 12:10:19 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 04, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
I think some kind of plan that says right, we have put right the MON wrongs, we have a manager we believe in and lets back him within the financial envelope of the TV money moving forward, but the wage bill seems to have been stripped to a kind of Wigan level, not even a Stoke level. Very very strange.

I'm not that sure, given our turnover in recent season we should be aiming for a wage bill of around £50m, which seems to be about where we are right now.  The main issue is still that we have a lot of money tied up in players who just don't offer us enough.  Bent on his wages playing and scoring is worth it, Bent on his wages and not involved at all is 3-4m a year completely wasted.  Add Hutton, Nzog and Given and that becomes 12-14m that's completely dead money.  That's why we bombed them, it was a gamble to try to get a couple of them off the wage bill by any means necessary, it worked with Ireland, and led to Bent's wages being covered last season.  I don't think it was the right thing to do but I can understand the thinking.

That 12-14m is effectively 5-6 players in the Vlaar/Delph category, I reckon we can all agree that the squad would be in a much better state if we did that, I also think the 4-5m fees for those players would be considered if we had the funds available.  It's a pipe dream though because there's no chance we'll sell any of them except maybe nzog.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch. I'd even have Hutton in the team over the fullbacks we have now. What we've effectively done is reduce their value by bombing them out on loan so much.
I can't see it being anyone's decision other than Lerner - he really has been an absolute waste of space these last 4 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:18:13 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Alright, once you quit twisting people's words and arguments to fit in with your narrow-minded world view.

Deal?

Yet you think nothing of twisting my words into some kind of "triumphant" sneer when there was none whatsoever.  Sort out your own narrow mindedness before you go pointing the finger at me.
Deal?
I'm not sure I've even given an opinion on the topic to be narrow-minded or not, but you seem to have basically ignored all of Paul's points and decided that he's said something that he hasn't.

And added an excitable "Ha!" for good measure. I'm not overly sure why.

Don't let it worry you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 02:14:27 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
replacing Barry with Downing and moving Milner inside was a poor decision?
Ireland was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Nzog was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Albrighton was going to go backwards for 2 years?
I realise those questions weren't directed at me but I thought signing Ireland was a terrible idea and said so at the time.  Beside the fact that we had no manager when we signed him, he was, is and always will be a total flake.  He was overvalued and not even a like for like replacement for Milner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2014, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 02:14:27 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
replacing Barry with Downing and moving Milner inside was a poor decision?
Ireland was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Nzog was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Albrighton was going to go backwards for 2 years?
I realise those questions weren't directed at me but I thought signing Ireland was a terrible idea and said so at the time.  Beside the fact that we had no manager when we signed him, he was, is and always will be a total flake.  He was overvalued and not even a like for like replacement for Milner.
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Flake is an excellent description.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 02:14:27 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
replacing Barry with Downing and moving Milner inside was a poor decision?
Ireland was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Nzog was going to be as shit as it turned out?
Albrighton was going to go backwards for 2 years?
I realise those questions weren't directed at me but I thought signing Ireland was a terrible idea and said so at the time.  Beside the fact that we had no manager when we signed him, he was, is and always will be a total flake.  He was overvalued and not even a like for like replacement for Milner.

You were in a very small minority then, I wasn't totally convinced either I thought he'd had 6 months of looking world class so it all hinged on whether he could get back to that level, and he never has.

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch. I'd even have Hutton in the team over the fullbacks we have now. What we've effectively done is reduce their value by bombing them out on loan so much.
I can't see it being anyone's decision other than Lerner - he really has been an absolute waste of space these last 4 years.

I just cant agree with that first line, Bent was out of the team on merit not because of some determination from Lambert to alienate him.  He also had the same under the legion of managers Fulham had last year.  The reality is his injuries have taken a yard of pace and he hasn't been able to adapt his game around that.

As for the last couple of points, lets repeat it.

By bombing them out we've reduced their value.
The only possible person who would want that is the owner.

Are you absolutely sure those 2 statements fit together?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?

Yes. It's 3 goals more than Jorden Bowery scored.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 05, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
we survived with games to spare

I'm sorry, but that's positive spin in the extreme. We survived with 2 games to spare, and promptly proceeded to concede 7 goals and score none in those 2 games.


We had accumulated the amount of points it eventually took to survive by the end of March. We were fucking awful in the run in but essentially we were already safe.

But we hadn't really, if we had not beaten Hull three games from the end then there is a good chance we would have gone down.  The Chelsea result felt like a big moment, and I believed that we were all but safe, but I still thought that we needed two or three more points to be absolutely sure, and so it proved.

As for Learner one of his biggest flaws the last four years was just picking bad managers, and that can be one of the down sides of having a foreign owner who does not know much about the game.  In fairness to him Lambert always seemed a sound appointment I don't many Villa fans would have argued that at the time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 05, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?

Yes. It's 3 goals more than Jorden Bowery scored.

But not as many, in more games, than the player who was really bought in as back up to Benteke, Libor Kozac.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on July 05, 2014, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?

Yes. It's 3 goals more than Jorden Bowery scored.

Thank goodness we had the prolific Weimann (5 goals in 24 league games) and Gabby (4 goals in 30 league games) so clearly Bent doesn't deserve a look-in
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?

Yes. It's 3 goals more than Jorden Bowery scored.

But not as many, in more games, than the player who was really bought in as back up to Benteke, Libor Kozac.

Would you honestly have preferred to see Bowery come off the bench than Bent?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ktvillan on July 05, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2014, 11:56:09 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I am under no illusion of the financial deep freeze situation we are in.

I am actually starting to feel more kinship for Lambert, given the absurd working conditions.

Randy has done a lot of good things for Villa, but I honestly don't think I could ever forgive, or overlook, the totality and speed of his disengagement from the club.

He's basically made it extremely clear (after the club informally denying it for two years) that he's got bored.

We deserve better than that.

I'm not sure Lerner has simply got bored.  It seems to me his priorities have changed with his divorce and if his and Krulak's recent utterings are anything to go by he may even have gone all religious or spiritual.  It may also be that he's finally realised what many of us have suspected for the last four years, and Browns fans were saying for years before he bought us - that however well intentioned, he just isn't very good at running a sporting institution.  By trying to run us on a shoestring with the same underling fools in charge until he sells is merely underlining his incompetence both as an owner and a businessman.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
We had accumulated the amount of points it eventually took to survive by the end of March. We were fucking awful in the run in but essentially we were already safe.
That's such a bogus statistic.  I'm not having a pop at Dave specifically because he's far from the only person who has used it but it only makes any sense, if indeed it makes any at all, in purely retrospective theoretical terms.  At the moment we reached that number of points plenty of games had yet to be played and several positions were still up for grabs.  It's nonsense to say we were already safe at that stage because manifestly we were not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on July 05, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
We had accumulated the amount of points it eventually took to survive by the end of March. We were fucking awful in the run in but essentially we were already safe.
That's such a bogus statistic.  I'm not having a pop at Dave specifically because he's far from the only person who has used it but it only makes any sense, if indeed it makes any at all, in purely retrospective theoretical terms.  At the moment we reached that number of points plenty of games had yet to be played and several positions were still up for grabs.  It's nonsense to say we were already safe at that stage because manifestly we were not.

But in reality we were. You can argue about it any way around but we did get enough points to stay up in March.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: Rolta on July 05, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
But in reality we were. You can argue about it any way around but we did get enough points to stay up in March.
In reality we weren't because none of the rest of that season's matches had been played yet.  It's only in retrospect you can say that, knowing the results of all the matches.  The fact is we weren't safe at the end of March.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I've said this before but we were very lucky Norwich had the horrible run in that they did because we were absolutely woeful from the Chelsea game onwards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 05, 2014, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 04, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
We had accumulated the amount of points it eventually took to survive by the end of March. We were fucking awful in the run in but essentially we were already safe.
That's such a bogus statistic.  I'm not having a pop at Dave specifically because he's far from the only person who has used it but it only makes any sense, if indeed it makes any at all, in purely retrospective theoretical terms.  At the moment we reached that number of points plenty of games had yet to be played and several positions were still up for grabs.  It's nonsense to say we were already safe at that stage because manifestly we were not.

Of course it was still possible for us to go down then but the fact is that the way it turned out the points we had accumulated at that point were enough to keep us up.

Apart from the MON interlude we have spent much of the last few years hovering around that end of the table so I think we have got quite good at reading these situations and it always seemed that however poor our run was not enough of the teams at the bottom ever looked capable of catching us.

Now that isn't anything to be proud of, just suggesting that despite missing several important players we have always kept our head above water. It therefore isn't too great a leap of faith to think that with those people fit again and a few additions we can hope for a different season this time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: Rolta on July 05, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
But in reality we were. You can argue about it any way around but we did get enough points to stay up in March.
In reality we weren't because none of the rest of that season's matches had been played yet.  It's only in retrospect you can say that, knowing the results of all the matches.  The fact is we weren't safe at the end of March.

In reality we were, it's just that no one knew for sure at the time, to think otherwise means that you believe that if we'd had a few points less it would have affected the performances of the teams below us.

That said I did point out in January that the 38-40 points that people were talking about was well over the actual figure it was going to need to be safe, I think I predicted 34.  When the top 5-6 are finishing with more points (between them) than pretty much any other season those points have to come from somewhere, which is clearly going to be the bottom half.

There were 6 teams who, by the end of January, were averaging less than a point a game, even if 3 of them turned things round (Palace, West Ham and Sunderland) it was safe to assume that at least 3 would end up on less than 35-36 points, and those teams they did pull away would have taken points from other bottom half sides.  That meant, for us, that 10 points for the last 15 games was always going to be enough, we actually got 11 and that proved to be 4 more than we needed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 02:55:34 PM
In reality we were, it's just that no one knew for sure at the time, to think otherwise means that you believe that if we'd had a few points less it would have affected the performances of the teams below us.

That said I did point out in January that the 38-40 points that people were talking about was well over the actual figure it was going to need to be safe, I think I predicted 34.  When the top 5-6 are finishing with more points (between them) than pretty much any other season those points have to come from somewhere, which is clearly going to be the bottom half.

There were 6 teams who, by the end of January, were averaging less than a point a game, even if 3 of them turned things round (Palace, West Ham and Sunderland) it was safe to assume that at least 3 would end up on less than 35-36 points, and those teams they did pull away would have taken points from other bottom half sides.  That meant, for us, that 10 points for the last 15 games was always going to be enough, we actually got 11 and that proved to be 4 more than we needed.
No, when the match against Hull kicked off on 3 May we were still in danger, i.e. not safe.  Can't put it any more plainly than that.  To think otherwise is just not in accordance with the facts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 05, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Arsenal looking at loaning out Joel Campbell again according to reports.  From what I've seen of him in Brazil, and if we're not in the market to spend more than twenty quid on anyone, we should be in there like a shot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 02:55:34 PM
In reality we were, it's just that no one knew for sure at the time, to think otherwise means that you believe that if we'd had a few points less it would have affected the performances of the teams below us.

That said I did point out in January that the 38-40 points that people were talking about was well over the actual figure it was going to need to be safe, I think I predicted 34.  When the top 5-6 are finishing with more points (between them) than pretty much any other season those points have to come from somewhere, which is clearly going to be the bottom half.

There were 6 teams who, by the end of January, were averaging less than a point a game, even if 3 of them turned things round (Palace, West Ham and Sunderland) it was safe to assume that at least 3 would end up on less than 35-36 points, and those teams they did pull away would have taken points from other bottom half sides.  That meant, for us, that 10 points for the last 15 games was always going to be enough, we actually got 11 and that proved to be 4 more than we needed.
No, when the match against Hull kicked off on 3 May we were still in danger, i.e. not safe.  Can't put it any more plainly than that.  To think otherwise is just not in accordance with the facts.

Mathematically yes, realistically no.  To have gone down from that point would've required a bunch of results to go other than they did which wasn't very likely.  The win against Hull removed any lingering threat but in reality had no bearing on us staying up, I can't put it any simpler thanthat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 05, 2014, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I've said this before but we were very lucky Norwich had the horrible run in that they did because we were absolutely woeful from the Chelsea game onwards.

Good point, and it is worth remembering that in the game at our place, they were a goal up and had carved our defence open several times before Benteke's wonder goal turned the tide. With that cock McNally for a CE though, they deserved to go down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
Mathematically yes, realistically no.  To have gone down from that point would've required a bunch of results to go other than they did which wasn't very likely.  The win against Hull removed any lingering threat but in reality had no bearing on us staying up, I can't put it any simpler thanthat.
Exactly.  We weren't safe from relegation even in May.  Not at the end of March as some insist on claiming.  No-one could possibly say with certainty at the end of March that we were safe.  You can only do that in the close season with the luxury of hindsight, at which point it's entirely academic anyway.  The only reason I keep pointing this out is because some keep repeating it as if it's true, which it isn't.

Anyway, back to transfer speculation.  Oh there isn't any.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 04:31:26 PM
Blues thought they were safe in March the season they went down. Last season was too close for comfort.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I've said this before but we were very lucky Norwich had the horrible run in that they did because we were absolutely woeful from the Chelsea game onwards.

All teams play the same teams over the season.  Norwich having a difficult run in just meant they did not collect enough points in their 'easier' games earlier.  Anybody looking at form at the time would have realised Norwich were almost in an impossible situation.  There was no luck about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 05, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
Mathematically yes, realistically no.  To have gone down from that point would've required a bunch of results to go other than they did which wasn't very likely.  The win against Hull removed any lingering threat but in reality had no bearing on us staying up, I can't put it any simpler thanthat.
Exactly.  We weren't safe from relegation even in May.  Not at the end of March as some insist on claiming.  No-one could possibly say with certainty at the end of March that we were safe.  You can only do that in the close season with the luxury of hindsight, at which point it's entirely academic anyway.  The only reason I keep pointing this out is because some keep repeating it as if it's true, which it isn't.

Anyway, back to transfer speculation.  Oh there isn't any.

There are two views based on looking at the situation at different points in time.  These views represent just about all discussions on this forum and are generally polar opposite.  It is getting to the point that there are not many members with balanced views that cross from one side to the other.  The entrenched views on the club/management/team are to a large extent becoming boring.

Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.  Looking at the latter point, there were people that were very pessimistic, very optimistic and many positions between.  At the end of the day, the people that were a optimistic but a little worried that had the correct view of the situation facing the club.

Twisting words to suit a persons argument does not lead to interesting debate.

Please do not take this as just a comment about your post as it applies to many members.  I support the club and perhaps I hold back on criticism of the owner/manager/players at times as I believe support and encouragement can lift the team.  I do, however, view things realistically and try and take everything into account before criticising.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I've said this before but we were very lucky Norwich had the horrible run in that they did because we were absolutely woeful from the Chelsea game onwards.

All teams play the same teams over the season.  Norwich having a difficult run in just meant they did not collect enough points in their 'easier' games earlier.  Anybody looking at form at the time would have realised Norwich were almost in an impossible situation.  There was no luck about it.

Maybe fortunate is the right word then rather than lucky. I bet a few stripeyfilth fans have already winced at their run in for next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.
I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CAitken on July 05, 2014, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 05, 2014, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I've said this before but we were very lucky Norwich had the horrible run in that they did because we were absolutely woeful from the Chelsea game onwards.
Actually it is a ridiculous point as they would have played them earlier in the season and got 1 point so eeven if thier last 4 games were against teams they beat they would have been another 11 points fewer. You have to play everybody twice . Sunderland seemed to do ok with a similar set of fixtures.

Good point, and it is worth remembering that in the game at our place, they were a goal up and had carved our defence open several times before Benteke's wonder goal turned the tide. With that cock McNally for a CE though, they deserved to go down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
I suggest that we just agree that Villa have been crap for far too long and they need to get better!  There. Let's move on to pretending that we are bringing in quality players to arrest the malaise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2014, 07:14:29 PM
I jusy read Silvio Berlusconi says Mario Balotelli almost moved to a mystery Premier League club before the World Cup. I wonder if it was us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 05, 2014, 07:21:30 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I've said this before but we were very lucky Norwich had the horrible run in that they did because we were absolutely woeful from the Chelsea game onwards.

All teams play the same teams over the season.  Norwich having a difficult run in just meant they did not collect enough points in their 'easier' games earlier.  Anybody looking at form at the time would have realised Norwich were almost in an impossible situation.  There was no luck about it.

I take your point OMVF, and I agree with you that most analysts thought Norwich had the toughest run-in, but I have often thought in past seasons how teams must hate playing us in the wrong phase.  For example, all those seasons where we started well, faded badly and then finished well. Sometimes displaying CL qualifying form in one phase, and relegation form in the next.  Almost like playing different teams.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2014, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on July 05, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Arsenal looking at loaning out Joel Campbell again according to reports.  From what I've seen of him in Brazil, and if we're not in the market to spend more than twenty quid on anyone, we should be in there like a shot.

One of the few Champions League games I've watched in recent years was Olympiacos beating Manure over there, and to quote a scouser describing Benteke, he stood out like a hard-on in a pair of pyjamas.
What I've seen of him this summer has merely confirmed him as absolute quality, I can't believe they're going to send him out again when it's the one area they're genuinely wank.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 08:40:59 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.
I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

You do not want to see both sides of the argument, do you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 05, 2014, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.
I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

It is just different descriptions of the same reality, or to put it more lyrically:

Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto
Let's call the whole thing off?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 05, 2014, 09:37:51 PM
With Kozak and Benteke both injured, Holt Fonz Bowery all gone, surely Bent will be starting or on the bench come August. I see that as a positive.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: silhilvilla on July 05, 2014, 09:37:51 PM
With Kozak and Benteke both injured, Holt Fonz Bowery all gone, surely Bent will be starting or on the bench come August. I see that as a positive.
Can't agree. Bent is a square peg in a round hole for the way we appear to want to play.

In addition injuries and / or lack of conditioning have left him short if that acceleration over the first couple of yards that used to get him into most of his scoring positions, so even if we still tried to play a style that suited him, he still wouldn't be the answer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: silhilvilla on July 05, 2014, 09:37:51 PM
With Kozak and Benteke both injured, Holt Fonz Bowery all gone, surely Bent will be starting or on the bench come August. I see that as a positive.
Can't agree. Bent is a square peg in a round hole for the way we appear to want to play.

In addition injuries and / or lack of conditioning have left him short if that acceleration over the first couple of yards that used to get him into most of his scoring positions, so even if we still tried to play a style that suited him, he still wouldn't be the answer.


I have been pondering that. There must be a signing planned. If not, we are very light at centre forward. Or, maybe they expect Cole to slide in Bent, whereas he is no use as a target man for balls from the back or wings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
Target man? Bobby Zamora anyone?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 05, 2014, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
Target man? Bobby Zamora anyone?
Bobby Davro would be more effective.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
Target man? Bobby Zamora anyone?
Redknapps just given him a new one year deal, off the back of one solitary kick. Granted it's earned them a shite load of Prem money, but still...pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 05, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
Target man? Bobby Zamora anyone?
Redknapps just given him a new one year deal, off the back of one solitary kick. Granted it's earned them a shite load of Prem money, but still...pretty crazy.
As long as it keeps row z Zamora somebody else's problem I couldn't give a flying monkeys.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2014, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 05, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
Target man? Bobby Zamora anyone?
Redknapps just given him a new one year deal, off the back of one solitary kick. Granted it's earned them a shite load of Prem money, but still...pretty crazy.
As long as it keeps row z Zamora somebody else's problem I couldn't give a flying monkeys.
Fully expect him to appear about 3 times for them next season. He's gotta be on about 60k a week. Maybe more. Frightening.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 06, 2014, 12:34:42 AM
Joel Campbell looks very ordinary at the moment. Don't understand why he's getting so much attention.

We don't need strikers anyway. We need midfielders first, then defenders after that's sorted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 06, 2014, 01:00:00 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 06, 2014, 12:34:42 AM
Joel Campbell looks very ordinary at the moment. Don't understand why he's getting so much attention.

We don't need strikers anyway. We need midfielders first, then defenders after that's sorted.

I agree, its just that outside of CB and Kozak I don't think many of the others are that convincing.  If Kozak doesn't make the start of the season then I can see the call for a stop gap striker, but yeah I do think we are struggling more in other areas.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 06, 2014, 02:31:39 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 05, 2014, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.
I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

It is just different descriptions of the same reality, or to put it more lyrically:

Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto
Let's call the whole thing off?

Whichever way you look at it, the fact that securing our Premiership status by the end of March is regarded as a positive shows exactly where we are at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 06, 2014, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: silhilvilla on July 05, 2014, 09:37:51 PM
With Kozak and Benteke both injured, Holt Fonz Bowery all gone, surely Bent will be starting or on the bench come August. I see that as a positive.
Can't agree. Bent is a square peg in a round hole for the way we appear to want to play.

In addition injuries and / or lack of conditioning have left him short if that acceleration over the first couple of yards that used to get him into most of his scoring positions, so even if we still tried to play a style that suited him, he still wouldn't be the answer.


I have been pondering that. There must be a signing planned. If not, we are very light at centre forward. Or, maybe they expect Cole to slide in Bent, whereas he is no use as a target man for balls from the back or wings.

I think Callum Robinson's going to be in and around the first team squad quite a lot next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 03:39:59 AM
Eduardo is available on a free with Albrighton's & Fonz's wages off the books he's the sort of free player we should be in for.

It will never happen though as villa have zero ambition just look at the last three signings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 06, 2014, 05:59:26 AM
After the Chelsea game, I always thought the 34 points we had would be enough. I was getting more worried by the time of the Hull game though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 06, 2014, 08:26:00 AM
Bent's move to Turkey is meant to be wrapped up this week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 06, 2014, 08:34:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 06, 2014, 02:31:39 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 05, 2014, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.
I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

It is just different descriptions of the same reality, or to put it more lyrically:

Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto
Let's call the whole thing off?

Whichever way you look at it, the fact that securing our Premiership status by the end of March is regarded as a positive shows exactly where we are at the moment.

Who is claiming it as a positive? It is merely adding some perspective and a much needed counterpoint to the argument that we are certainties for relegation this season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 06, 2014, 08:26:00 AM
Bent's move to Turkey is meant to be wrapped up this week.
In Tin Foil ?

Seriously, what move to Turkey ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 06, 2014, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 06, 2014, 08:34:29 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 06, 2014, 02:31:39 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 05, 2014, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 05, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Getting back to the point, looking back at the end of the season we had collected enough points by March to be safe and that is reality.  At the time in March, we were not safe as there were many matched to be played and many points that could have gone to different teams.
I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

It is just different descriptions of the same reality, or to put it more lyrically:

Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto
Let's call the whole thing off?

Whichever way you look at it, the fact that securing our Premiership status by the end of March is regarded as a positive shows exactly where we are at the moment.

Who is claiming it as a positive? It is merely adding some perspective and a much needed counterpoint to the argument that we are certainties for relegation this season. 

So it is being claimed as a positive?!?

And again, Chris, nobody is claiming that we're certainties for relegation, people are saying that we're likely to be involved in yet another relegation battle. Your 'counter' that we were safe with a whole 2 games to go last season is even less reassuring than the "if we'd just won 14 games instead of 10 we'd have finished 9th" line!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 03:39:59 AM
Eduardo is available on a free with Albrighton's & Fonz's wages off the books he's the sort of free player we should be in for.

It will never happen though as villa have zero ambition just look at the last three signings.
Not sure how much ambition signing a 31 year old with a roughly one in three and a half goal ratio in Ukraine would be. In fact I'd class in roughly in the cole category.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 06, 2014, 12:04:25 PM
Unbelievable. The Baggies are about to beat us to another target;

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-chris-baird-advanced-7378388









(I should probably point out that I'm joking).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 06, 2014, 08:26:00 AM
Bent's move to Turkey is meant to be wrapped up this week.
In Tin Foil ?

Seriously, what move to Turkey ?
Was linked with Trabzonspor last week I think. Sounds about right for Bent really. A league he's still got legs for, and where he'll be able to keep raking in huge wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 03:39:59 AM
Eduardo is available on a free with Albrighton's & Fonz's wages off the books he's the sort of free player we should be in for.

It will never happen though as villa have zero ambition just look at the last three signings.
Not sure how much ambition signing a 31 year old with a roughly one in three and a half goal ratio in Ukraine would be. In fact I'd class in roughly in the cole category.

Never rated Eduardo. He'd be a waste of money and doubt he'd come for anything reasonable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 06, 2014, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?

Yes. It's 3 goals more than Jorden Bowery scored.

But not as many, in more games, than the player who was really bought in as back up to Benteke, Libor Kozac.

Would you honestly have preferred to see Bowery come off the bench than Bent?

I'd rather not see either of them but at least Bowery looked like he wanted to be on the pitch when he came on, Bent seems to have given up completely in the last two seasons.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 06, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM

I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

But, as was pointed out by a fair few on here, it would have taken an extraordinary run of results by a lot of very poor teams to relegate us. Have a glance back at some of the threads from about April, those of us whose glass is half-full were already saying that we thought we were safe, and we were right despite the fuck-awful run of form we produced in the run-in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2014, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 06, 2014, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 05, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 05, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
It was madness to bomb out Bent when we should have used him on the pitch.

Is that the Darren Bent who scored a massive three goals in 23 games for relegated Fulham?

Yes. It's 3 goals more than Jorden Bowery scored.

But not as many, in more games, than the player who was really bought in as back up to Benteke, Libor Kozac.

Would you honestly have preferred to see Bowery come off the bench than Bent?

I'd rather not see either of them but at least Bowery looked like he wanted to be on the pitch when he came on, Bent seems to have given up completely in the last two seasons.



I'd have sooner had Bent coming off the bench out of the two. Bowery had a really good game against Hull and had a decent game against Stoke away last season but overall he was nowhere near Premiership quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 03:39:59 AM
Eduardo is available on a free with Albrighton's & Fonz's wages off the books he's the sort of free player we should be in for.

It will never happen though as villa have zero ambition just look at the last three signings.
Not sure how much ambition signing a 31 year old with a roughly one in three and a half goal ratio in Ukraine would be. In fact I'd class in roughly in the cole category.

Never rated Eduardo. He'd be a waste of money and doubt he'd come for anything reasonable.

Both laughable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2014, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 06, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM

I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

But, as was pointed out by a fair few on here, it would have taken an extraordinary run of results by a lot of very poor teams to relegate us. Have a glance back at some of the threads from about April, those of us whose glass is half-full were already saying that we thought we were safe, and we were right despite the fuck-awful run of form we produced in the run-in.

What saved us was Hull coming down from 2 down with 15 minutes left to draw with Fulham 2-2.

Similar story the previous season when a few days before the cup final Wigan lost 3-2 at home to Swansea.

And in the McLeish season we were very fortunate that after beating us at Villa Park, Bolton didn't win another game that season. Indeed they fcuked up a 2 nil lead at home to West Brom of all teams themselves. We didn't win another game that season.

We have been pretty fortunate I have to say in all these relegation battles it's never actually gone to the final day as 2/3 seasons we've had really poor run ins when we've hardly won any games ourselves.

Burnley on the last day this time has a ominous feel to me already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2014, 03:44:50 PM
I think we will be ok as long as Lambert addresses the central midfield problem. If he doesn't recognise by now that we don't protect our defender's then he's a complete ******. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2014, 03:58:02 PM
I agree re a centre mid,  but a wide man of quality in the front 3 and a left back are equally important.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 06, 2014, 05:24:35 PM
With the club in limbo and no sign of a buyer, Lerner should be authorising transfer expenditure based on our anticipated income over the season less our costs.  Anything less will be to make us more attractive to a buyer and, hence, giving a higher return for Lerner.

I would be interested to know what our anticipated income will be with the new TV deal and what we will be spending on wages etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 06, 2014, 05:24:35 PM
With the club in limbo and no sign of a buyer, Lerner should be authorising transfer expenditure based on our anticipated income over the season less our costs.  Anything less will be to make us more attractive to a buyer and, hence, giving a higher return for Lerner.

I would be interested to know what our anticipated income will be with the new TV deal and what we will be spending on wages etc.

Agree - anyone with the required accounting knowledge like to hazard a guess?

Based on losses over previous years I suspect that this year should see a profit but it will not be much.  Furthermore he's possibly/arguably entitled to try and recover some of the cash he's pumped in during his tenure.  So with ML/BoA telling him what they think the club is worth, if the figure does not match what he has invested, then any profit from this season could subsidise the past losses.  A dangerous game as relegation would slash millions from our value.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 06, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2014, 05:15:54 PM

I agree and that is my point in a nutshell.  Looking back in hindsight is all well and good but completely academic.  In March and even as late as the beginning of May we weren't safe.  That's the reality.

But, as was pointed out by a fair few on here, it would have taken an extraordinary run of results by a lot of very poor teams to relegate us. Have a glance back at some of the threads from about April, those of us whose glass is half-full were already saying that we thought we were safe, and we were right despite the fuck-awful run of form we produced in the run-in.

Hmm, maybe, but then again safety in April is a pretty low bar of success to be working to.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2014, 05:52:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 06, 2014, 03:58:02 PM
I agree re a centre mid,  but a wide man of quality in the front 3 and a left back are equally important.
it depends how Lambert - tactical genius that he is - plans to set up next season, although he does tend to mix it up.
Two good midfielders would substantially improve things at fullback by being better cover. I don't know why you mention a winger: we have Tonev **winky thing**
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
Hasn't Bent still got a year left of his 80k a week deal with us ? Cannot see him walking away from that, especially to Turkey !! Not a chance IMHO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad

Agreed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2014, 07:36:04 PM
I'd love to get Ashley Young back. He could offer us something for definite and perhaps Roy Keane can scare him out of that playacting bollocks.
I don't see it happening though. We're more likely to see Luke Young back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 03:39:59 AM
Eduardo is available on a free with Albrighton's & Fonz's wages off the books he's the sort of free player we should be in for.

It will never happen though as villa have zero ambition just look at the last three signings.
Not sure how much ambition signing a 31 year old with a roughly one in three and a half goal ratio in Ukraine would be. In fact I'd class in roughly in the cole category.

Never rated Eduardo. He'd be a waste of money and doubt he'd come for anything reasonable.

Both laughable.
Explain it to me then, oh wise one
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
I would rather have Ashley Young, likely to get Ameobi!! I hope that I am wrong. Also spoke to a mate who reckons we are wanting Bendtner. Some mate!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on July 06, 2014, 08:50:30 PM
Ashley Young - not a chance. We haven't got a pot to piss in & he won't take a pay cut to join us.

We need 2 defensive midfielders that protect the back four. Currently we have none, that should be the absolute priority. Then a left back good enough to play in the PL.

We need to plug the leaking defence & stop relying on players who take it in turns to gift a goal away every week (Baker, Luna, Bennett, Lowton, Clarke).

Others like Sylla, Helnius & Tonev have offered nothing & are probably worth nothing.

I really can't see anyone taking Bent, Hutton or Given off our hands & that must be close on £150k / week.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DB on July 06, 2014, 08:54:55 PM
Their new manager is busy trying to win a World Cup....would he really sanction a player going during this time? He will want to asses his squad before deciding on who goes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad

I've said this a million times, but it is overlooked despite his growing status in the game he still worked so hard for us right up until he left. He may have been a cock at times and while at Man U, but he would walk into our line up and make it a proper threat again in attack. Get the Beast healthy and we can go head to head with most defences. I'll fly over Paulie and help you carry him back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2014, 09:11:08 PM
Ash Young will not make LVG's 50 men squad. He is wasted. He will end up at QPR draw a good wage for two seasons before pissing off to MLS.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
I will help you carry him Paulie. Anyone turning their nose up at Young coming back needs their head read.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
Hasn't Bent still got a year left of his 80k a week deal with us ? Cannot see him walking away from that, especially to Turkey !! Not a chance IMHO.
Yes, I imagine that he would be being paid in Turkey.

I don't think he'll be doing it for room and board.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2014, 10:38:48 PM
I think Ash Young will dive into most teams in the bottom half pool of the PL. So no doubt someone will plunge for him however he is unlikely to find the depth of form he once had and may sink fast to the bottom.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
Hasn't Bent still got a year left of his 80k a week deal with us ? Cannot see him walking away from that, especially to Turkey !! Not a chance IMHO.
Yes, I imagine that he would be being paid in Turkey.

I don't think he'll be doing it for room and board.
Yep and Trabzonspor have Boswinga and Malouda, so they're certainly not short of a few pennies. Bent will rake it in over there. If there is a genuine offer he'll be off like a short.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 06, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 03:39:59 AM
Eduardo is available on a free with Albrighton's & Fonz's wages off the books he's the sort of free player we should be in for.

It will never happen though as villa have zero ambition just look at the last three signings.
Not sure how much ambition signing a 31 year old with a roughly one in three and a half goal ratio in Ukraine would be. In fact I'd class in roughly in the Cole category.

Never rated Eduardo. He'd be a waste of money and doubt he'd come for anything reasonable.

Both laughable.
Explain it to me then, oh wise one

Look we all have our opinions which is cool but to put him in the same category as a well past it JC is laughable. I'm betting he'd set-up and score way more goals than Gabby too. He's free quite skillful and in-form, last season 30 apps 13 goals we should be in for him imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
Hasn't Bent still got a year left of his 80k a week deal with us ? Cannot see him walking away from that, especially to Turkey !! Not a chance IMHO.
Yes, I imagine that he would be being paid in Turkey.

I don't think he'll be doing it for room and board.
Yep and Trabzonspor have Boswinga and Malouda, so they're certainly not short of a few pennies. Bent will rake it in over there. If there is a genuine offer he'll be off like a short.

While Bent was signing for us, I remember I looked at that (truly dreadful) Sunderland forum, SMB, and there was lots of talk on there of how he'd been struggling to push through a move to - I think - Galatasaray in the previous window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Ashley young lol. Why do people torture themselves.
We're more likely to sign Will than Ashley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad

I've said this a million times, but it is overlooked despite his growing status in the game he still worked so hard for us right up until he left. He may have been a cock at times and while at Man U, but he would walk into our line up and make it a proper threat again in attack. Get the Beast healthy and we can go head to head with most defences. I'll fly over Paulie and help you carry him back.

Yep. Anyone saying no to Ash coming back and making a difference are delusional, especially the villa fans on the avfc feed calling him a has-been. Unfortunately it's the same rumor as the last two seasons and he'd most likely wouldn't want to comeback.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 06, 2014, 11:03:08 PM
If we are gonna sign a previous old boy I hope it's Jimmy Milner. Would be fabulous in the middle of the park with Old Joe King Cole.

Yes please.

Make it happen Keano.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad

I've said this a million times, but it is overlooked despite his growing status in the game he still worked so hard for us right up until he left. He may have been a cock at times and while at Man U, but he would walk into our line up and make it a proper threat again in attack. Get the Beast healthy and we can go head to head with most defences. I'll fly over Paulie and help you carry him back.

Yep. Anyone saying no to Ash coming back and making a difference are delusional, especially the villa fans on the avfc feed calling him a has-been. Unfortunately it's the same rumor as the last two seasons and he'd most likely wouldn't want to comeback.

It's not delusional, its a different opinion.  He'll definitely improve the team but one has to factor in the wages he'll demand.  If he wants 80k a week then that is depriving us of potentially two good players in other positions.  It's not delusional to think that other positions could be a greater priority in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Where has the Young rumour come from anyway?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Where has the Young rumour come from anyway?
A very dodgy rumours website. Really don't get why people cling onto such horseshit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad

I've said this a million times, but it is overlooked despite his growing status in the game he still worked so hard for us right up until he left. He may have been a cock at times and while at Man U, but he would walk into our line up and make it a proper threat again in attack. Get the Beast healthy and we can go head to head with most defences. I'll fly over Paulie and help you carry him back.

Yep. Anyone saying no to Ash coming back and making a difference are delusional, especially the villa fans on the avfc feed calling him a has-been. Unfortunately it's the same rumor as the last two seasons and he'd most likely wouldn't want to comeback.

It's not delusional, its a different opinion.  He'll definitely improve the team but one has to factor in the wages he'll demand.  If he wants 80k a week then that is depriving us of potentially two good players in other positions. It's not delusional to think that other positions could be a greater priority in my opinion.

It's about whether we want him back at the villa or not though, i'd love Agüero, Robben and Sneijder playing for us whether we can afford them or not is a whole different ball game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 12:18:20 AM
Young would improve us almost infinitely. I doubt, but I hope.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 07, 2014, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 12:18:20 AM
Young would improve us almost infinitely. I doubt, but I hope.
If it did happen I suspect it would be late in the window with Utd allowing him to go out on loan, and still picking up a large proportion of his wage...but it won't happen.

If he does move, which I think he will, he'll end up somewhere like QPR and be on fairly close to what he'd leave behind at Utd. 

Would have him back here in a heartbeat, sadly it's just not going to happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on July 07, 2014, 06:44:56 AM
Young would improve us, no question.  Bt Villa spend 80k a week on a defence, a midfield or an attack.  Not one player.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on July 07, 2014, 06:44:56 AM
Young would improve us, no question.  Bt Villa spend 80k a week on a defence, a midfield or an attack.  Not one player.
Darren Bent ? Then you move down to the other big earners +50k a week - gabby , shay G, Nzogbia , Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 07, 2014, 09:10:11 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on July 07, 2014, 06:44:56 AM
Young would improve us, no question.  Bt Villa spend 80k a week on a defence, a midfield or an attack.  Not one player.
Darren Bent ? Then you move down to the other big earners +50k a week - gabby , shay G, Nzogbia , Benteke.

times are different now - no chance of Young, Millner or anyone like that
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
Re Ashley Young rumours.

I don't care what happened at Man United, I'd happily go up there and carry him back.

I liked him when he played here and he's miles better than the rest of the dross that makes up most of our squad

Ha same here. I think of those who wouldn't want him back if there was the slightest possibility, think we have mugs like Tonev in our squad and have a quiet chuckle to myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2014, 09:51:35 AM
Hutton to sign for the Albion?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Where has the Young rumour come from anyway?
A very dodgy rumours website. Really don't get why people cling onto such horseshit.

People aren't clinging on to anything, though, i don't think anyone has expressed belief we'd bring him back. We're just discussing whether we'd like him back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2014, 09:51:35 AM
Hutton to sign for the Albion?

Thought they were signing Chris Baird for the RB spot?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2014, 09:51:35 AM
Hutton to sign for the Albion?

Thought they were signing Chris Baird for the RB spot?

I'm just relaying a tweet from Kendrick a couple of minutes ago
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 09:56:32 AM
Oh might be something in it then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 07, 2014, 09:57:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Where has the Young rumour come from anyway?
A very dodgy rumours website. Really don't get why people cling onto such horseshit.

People aren't clinging on to anything, though, i don't think anyone has expressed belief we'd bring him back. We're just discussing whether we'd like him back.

I'd like him back. But if we are going to have a serial diver at the club lets get Arjen Robben.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2014, 10:16:09 AM
They'd love Hutton down there. Not
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 07, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III
link=topic=51561.msg2631781#msg2631781 date=1404723095
Hutton to sign for the Albion?
Thought they were signing Chris Baird for the RB spot?

I'm just relaying a tweet from Kendrick a couple of minutes ago
Its in the Daily Heil so it must be Gospel . Only on loan though , will no one rid us of this turbulent Defender , permanently ?...............Godzvilla!

"West Bromwich Albion have made an enquiry to take Alan Hutton on loan from Aston Villa.
Blackpool have also shown interest since Barry Ferguson's appointment as caretaker manager.
Hutton has been far from the first-team picture at Villa since Alex McLeish, the manager who signed him in 2011, was sacked in 2012 ".

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2014, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Where has the Young rumour come from anyway?
A very dodgy rumours website. Really don't get why people cling onto such horseshit.

People aren't clinging on to anything, though, i don't think anyone has expressed belief we'd bring him back. We're just discussing whether we'd like him back.

For me it would depend on how he came across meeting him.  Young with a point to prove and wanting to show he's stil la good player but it didn't work out would be a good signing.  Young who's sulking about leaving Utd and struggling to care about football would be a massive waste of money.

I always liked Young but I don't want to sign someone on massive wages as a nostalgia signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 07, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 07, 2014, 10:30:44 AM

I always liked Young but I don't want to sign someone on massive wages as a nostalgia signing.

Unless it was Jimmy, we all want Jimmy Milner back
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on July 07, 2014, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: Des Little on July 07, 2014, 10:16:09 AM
They'd love Hutton down there. Not

Don't think they'll have forgotten that tackle on Shane Long. Maybe they hope he'll do the same to one of ours
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 07, 2014, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
Where has the Young rumour come from anyway?
A very dodgy rumours website. Really don't get why people cling onto such horseshit.

People aren't clinging on to anything, though, i don't think anyone has expressed belief we'd bring him back. We're just discussing whether we'd like him back.

For me it would depend on how he came across meeting him.  Young with a point to prove and wanting to show he's stil la good player but it didn't work out would be a good signing.  Young who's sulking about leaving Utd and struggling to care about football would be a massive waste of money.

I always liked Young but I don't want to sign someone on massive wages as a nostalgia signing.

Me neither. His attitude would have to be right. That's the problem with players leaving Man United, I guess.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
The OS tweeted this photo of training. Interesting to see Bent being allowed to train with the grown ups again.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br7uEE-IcAAYLu4.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:19:48 AM
Who is that, second from left, with the beard?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 07, 2014, 11:24:25 AM
Day one of training, Throw in practice.  Like it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:24:43 AM
Looks like Samir Carruthers to me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:24:43 AM
Looks like Samir Carruthers to me.

Ah, good shout
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on July 07, 2014, 11:25:26 AM
Luna I think Paulie, remember him, he had a good game once, not far off this time last year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Is that Senderos a few along on the left handside too? I didn't think he'd be there this early given his endeavours in Brazil...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: richard moore on July 07, 2014, 11:25:26 AM
Luna I think Paulie, remember him, he had a good game once, not far off this time last year

Doesn't look like Luna to me.

I remember him well, after all, who will forget him, after his role in The Miracle Of The Emirates.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Is that Senderos a few along on the left handside too? I didn't think he'd be there this early given his endeavours in Brazil...

That's what I thought, too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Is that Senderos a few along on the left handside too? I didn't think he'd be there this early given his endeavours in Brazil...

That's what I thought, too.

We don't have any other baldies in the squad do we?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frank on July 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on July 07, 2014, 11:24:25 AM
Day one of training, Throw in practice.  Like it.
It's about time we practised throw-ins.
And corners.
And free kicks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on July 07, 2014, 11:24:25 AM
Day one of training, Throw in practice.  Like it.
It's about time we practised throw-ins.
And corners.
And free kicks.

Especially the bits that the players not delivering the throws or kicks need to focus on - ie moving around, looking for space, giving options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on July 07, 2014, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Is that Senderos a few along on the left handside too? I didn't think he'd be there this early given his endeavours in Brazil...

That's what I thought, too.

We don't have any other baldies in the squad do we?!

Maybe Baker has shaved his head to fit in a bit more? Think about it, A back 5 of Guzan, Hutton, Vlaar, Senderos and a freshly shaven Baker. It would be like the opening scene from that Australian white supremesist movie Romper Stomper....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard on July 07, 2014, 12:53:01 PM
Don't think it's Senderos but unfortunately Baker is in that picture
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2014, 12:57:41 PM
How bad is it that we can't recognise half of them!


Bent looks a little erm... bigger than when he signed.


Surprised to see him working with Gabby too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on July 07, 2014, 12:59:05 PM
Who is in charge of cones and bibs now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 07, 2014, 01:04:21 PM
Is the bald fella not Alan Chopper Hutton?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: montague on July 07, 2014, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on July 07, 2014, 11:24:25 AM
Day one of training, Throw in practice.  Like it.
It's about time we practised throw-ins.
And corners.
And free kicks.

Especially the bits that the players not delivering the throws or kicks need to focus on - ie moving around, looking for space, giving options.

I think I got wound up by throw ins more than anything last year, and thats saying something. Movement was terrible and we almost always lost the ball within seconds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 07, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:19:48 AM
Who is that, second from left, with the beard?

Father Xmas ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on July 07, 2014, 01:51:39 PM
For a moment I thought that was Eden Hazard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2014, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: *shellac* on July 07, 2014, 01:51:39 PM
For a moment I thought that was Eden Hazard.

Next summers picture Mr Shellac. He'll doing keep ups next to James Rodriguez, Lavezzi and Ibrahimovic on the lush Bodymoor surface.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 07, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2014, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: *shellac* on July 07, 2014, 01:51:39 PM
For a moment I thought that was Eden Hazard.

Next summers picture Mr Shellac. He'll doing keep ups next to James Rodriguez, Lavezzi and Ibrahimovic on the lush Bodymoor surface.
Ohhhhh yes!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2014, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: *shellac* on July 07, 2014, 01:51:39 PM
For a moment I thought that was Eden Hazard.

Next summers picture Mr Shellac.

Micky Hazard, more like.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
The OS tweeted this photo of training. Interesting to see Bent being allowed to train with the grown ups again.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br7uEE-IcAAYLu4.jpg:large)
Is that BombSquad II in the distance ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on July 07, 2014, 05:51:21 PM
Hang on where's Concrete Ron? Pretty bad form to turn up late for training first day. Keane won't like that.

Still in Brazil you say.  These footballers dont know they are born do they?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 07, 2014, 05:57:19 PM
Have they been instructed not to shave over the summer, the scruffy gits?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 06:01:36 PM
Wow a pair of black football boots ! Well done Joe Cole.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2014, 06:59:46 PM
Is that why he has ended up on his own? Black boots - on your own son.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 07, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Great to see this photo from the Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-aston-villa-return-pre-season-7385578):


(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article7385787.ece/alternates/s2197/JS41239705.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 07, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
From the photo gallery in Brum Mail linked above:

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article7385714.ece/alternates/s2197/JS41238447.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 08:09:41 PM
Are we going to get another first team coach in as we're still one down in that regard?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on July 07, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 07, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
From the photo gallery in Brum Mail linked above:

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article7385714.ece/alternates/s2197/JS41238447.jpg)

This would look rather different if they were all secretly passing scimitars to each other.
(Nicked from my production of Treasure Island, when the pirates were listening to the Captain's speech)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 07, 2014, 08:20:27 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 07, 2014, 07:45:37 PM

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article7385714.ece/alternates/s2197/JS41238447.jpg)
Headline: Villa players in manboobs shock!

Story: Villa players were today forced to wear brassieres in training by hardman Roy 'get your tits out for the lads' Keane. Following a summer of idleness brought upon by the absence of world cup players, it would appear that most of the members of Villa's first team squad have put so much weight on that many are showing signs of having developed manboobs. There is now a scramble by Villa's kit supplier, Marcron, to redesign the 2014-15 Villa shirts to incorporate a 'hidden' bra element.
A Macron spokesperson was quoted today as saying: "This is problematic for us. Had it been Bristol City, we would have had more visibility of this issue; now, it's back to the drawing board. Waay-hey."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 07, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
3/10 for the effort  ::)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Bent, Hutton, NZogbia. Back in the fold. Lets hope they grab the opportunity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2014, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Bent, Hutton, NZogbia. Back in the fold. Lets hope they grab the opportunity.

Or someone comes in with decent bids.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 07, 2014, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Bent, Hutton, NZogbia. Back in the fold. Lets hope they grab the opportunity.

Or someone comes in with decent bids.

Well that too. Would be surprising though. Their values have all dropped, presumably.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 07, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 08:09:41 PM
Are we going to get another first team coach in as we're still one down in that regard?

A candidate has emerged.

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 07, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
...
This would look rather different if they were all secretly passing scimitars to each other.
(Nicked from my production of Treasure Island, when the pirates were listening to the Captain's speech)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on July 07, 2014, 08:47:09 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on July 07, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 08:09:41 PM
Are we going to get another first team coach in as we're still one down in that regard?

A candidate has emerged.

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 07, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
...
This would look rather different if they were all secretly passing scimitars to each other.
(Nicked from my production of Treasure Island, when the pirates were listening to the Captain's speech)
Can't imagine how my CV has appeared on this. However, now it has, let me assure you that I would relish the challenge.
*sharpens breadknife*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Bent, Hutton, NZogbia. Back in the fold. Lets hope they grab the opportunity.
If those 3 players are properly managed and motivated they can add a lot to the team, especially Charlie who on his day is unplayable .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2014, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2014, 08:09:41 PM
Are we going to get another first team coach in as we're still one down in that regard?

Has Given been officially stood down?  I vaguely remember at the time that he was doing his badges so he could be asked to continue.  We may as well get something for the wages we're paying him and he doesn't seem the sort to shirk responsibilities beyond his job description.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 07, 2014, 09:33:56 PM
I think he wants a move somewhere to carry on playing. he said he wants to challenge Guzan but I think it amounts to the same thing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2014, 10:07:36 PM
Hope so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Ashley young lol. Why do people torture themselves.
We're more likely to sign Will than Ashley.

Or Ashley Blake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 07, 2014, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Ashley young lol. Why do people torture themselves.
We're more likely to sign Will than Ashley.

Or Ashley Blake.

Ashley Blake would bring some aggression to our midfield!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2014, 10:14:53 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!

No.

He means good news for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2014, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 07, 2014, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 06, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Ashley young lol. Why do people torture themselves.
We're more likely to sign Will than Ashley.

Or Ashley Blake.

Ashley Blake would bring some aggression to our midfield!

Especially if we sign a big Pole as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 07, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Bent, Hutton, NZogbia. Back in the fold. Lets hope they grab the opportunity.
If those 3 players are properly managed and motivated they can add a lot to the team, especially Charlie who on his day is unplayable .


On his day being the day he's playing against a bunch of 8 year olds
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2014, 10:26:14 PM
Alan Hutton to Smethwick I'm hearing.  ITK.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 07, 2014, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: john e on July 07, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
Bent, Hutton, NZogbia. Back in the fold. Lets hope they grab the opportunity.
If those 3 players are properly managed and motivated they can add a lot to the team, especially Charlie who on his day is unplayable .


On his day being the day he's playing against a bunch of 8 year olds
Or for Wigan v Aston Villa!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 07, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
Baby Delph ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 07, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.

Delphdeeper
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2014, 10:26:14 PM
Alan Hutton to Smethwick I'm hearing.  ITK.

This is likely the good news Fabian was referring to.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 07, 2014, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: Malandro on July 07, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.

Delphdeeper
Everyone else is shit, might as well do it yerDelph
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.

He's not on Twitter mate, but does have a Facebook account and seems to accept friend requests from all and sundry. Definitely him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdward on July 07, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
Quote from: Malandro on July 07, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.
RudeDelph the red nosed reindeer?

Delphdeeper
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:39:43 PM
These puns should come with a Delph warning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2014, 07:53:46 AM
Report it to Delph and Safety.
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 08, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
I saw Delph at the Belfry on Saturday - maybe he pulled at the Bel Air?
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Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 08, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
Delph not being on Twitter is all the more reason to like him. :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:12:29 AM
Apparently Fulham have signed Ross McCormack (dunno who he is) from Leeds for 11 million.
For Christ sake Randy! What are you doing! I can't believe you let Fulham just merrily walk away with such a bargain etc.

In all seriousness, that's absolutely crazy frigging money for a championship striker. He's not all that young either.
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Post by: RussellC on July 08, 2014, 11:16:08 AM
Jesus Christ! Have they still got Mitroglou? That's an almost £25million strike-force there, that probably won't get them straight back into the Prem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 08, 2014, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:12:29 AM
Apparently Fulham have signed Ross McCormack (dunno who he is) from Leeds for 11 million.
For Christ sake Randy! What are you doing! I can't believe you let Fulham just merrily walk away with such a bargain etc.

In all seriousness, that's absolutely crazy frigging money for a championship striker. He's not all that young either.

He's a pretty decent player, but I'm surprised that they've paid that much for him.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
11 million for a mid table Championship striker. The world has gone truly insane.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
It is absolutely bonkers.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
Benteke at £7 million when we signed him or McCormack goes for £11 million, it's nuts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 08, 2014, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 08, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
11 million for a mid table Championship striker. The world has gone truly insane.

Liverpool offered £18 million :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
you mean for this specific player, or another player, or a bowl of fruit?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on July 08, 2014, 12:50:56 PM
Wow. Read a piece last week that Leeds are cutting back so much players now have to take in a packed lunch (!!!!) or buy in sandwiches after training, rather than having lunch laid on..... not of the shrewdest of moves by Fulham. £11m is crazy money, if true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2014, 01:10:58 PM
I forgot , Fulham went down as well ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2014, 01:11:37 PM
I like McCormack .   4 million tops
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2014, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.

He's not on Twitter mate, but does have a Facebook account and seems to accept friend requests from all and sundry. Definitely him.

Well his good news turns out to be Faulkner resigning which is a bit odd.  But followed up with a comment re I can't sign a new contract if I haven't been offered one.  Maybe Faulkner going might kick start a new deal being put on the table?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2014, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2014, 01:11:37 PM
I like McCormack .   4 million tops

I think he'd be overpriced at that. He's ok at Championship level, that's about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2014, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2014, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 07, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Fabian Delph has just written on Facebook, "Good news coming soon." New contract?!
what'd Delph's Twitter username.

He's not on Twitter mate, but does have a Facebook account and seems to accept friend requests from all and sundry. Definitely him.

Well his good news turns out to be Faulkner resigning which is a bit odd.  But followed up with a comment re I can't sign a new contract if I haven't been offered one.  Maybe Faulkner going might kick start a new deal being put on the table?
Again, and it could all be reading too much into it, as others have suggested. Faulkner leaving could suggest that he's done all he can and that something is potentially in the offing. He's helped balance the books I suppose.
I'd imagine if a takeover happened in the not too distant future, that we'd get the contracts sorted.

The good news may just be that wheels are in motion. Faulkner stepping down could well signal that we're getting somewhere (I hope). He's fulfilled his task. He hangs around to do his charity abseil and then his resignation is made public.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 08, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
Niklas Bendtner is apparently considering multiple offers, so he won't be joining our rudderless ownerless ship. Thank heavens for small mercies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
Niklas Bendtner is apparently considering multiple offers, so he won't be joining our rudderless ownerless ship. Thank heavens for small mercies.

The Mirror seem to think he's going to be our next signing. BBC also claiming he's due to join a new club in the next few days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 08, 2014, 09:07:03 PM
That would be the point in which even those of us in the glass half full camp would slash our wrists.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2014, 09:10:34 PM
I personally don't think he's that bad a footballer. Not sure we need him though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
Unsurprisingly , Barry has signed for Everton .
What happened to Barry and Lescott being nailed on for us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 08, 2014, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
Niklas Bendtner is apparently considering multiple offers, so he won't be joining our rudderless ownerless ship. Thank heavens for small mercies.

The Mirror seem to think he's going to be our next signing. BBC also claiming he's due to join a new club in the next few days.

Be afraid, very afraid.

BT, which despite being the sort of rag you wouldn't wipe you arse on, isn't usually too far off on transfers, are now reporting it.

Allegedly with Helanius returning to Aab on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Nicklaus Bendtner.  Has no one seen him play for that last 8 years.  Jesus.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2014, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
Unsurprisingly , Barry has signed for Everton .
What happened to Barry and Lescott being nailed on for us?
In what world was that ever 'nailed on'?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 10:11:01 PM
I can't believe we'd sign Bendtner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 08, 2014, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
Unsurprisingly , Barry has signed for Everton .
What happened to Barry and Lescott being nailed on for us?
In what world was that ever 'nailed on'?
Probably the TBAR dimension.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2014, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 10:11:01 PM
I can't believe we'd sign Bendtner.

Problem is it's gathering momentum a bit like when Cole signed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2014, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 10:11:01 PM
I can't believe we'd sign Bendtner.
It certainly wouldn't be out of character given the summer thus far. And Lambert does like his 6ft 4 strikers.

I don't think Bendtner is that bad. He's just not that good, like the others we've signed this summer. Better him than Holt anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Isn't Bendtner a bit of a mentalist
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Le Lapin on July 08, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
Very surprised to see that he is only 26. Seems to have been around for years. Would be happy enough with him. Could be one Danish Nicklas for another.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2014, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on July 08, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
Very surprised to see that he is only 26. Seems to have been around for years. Would be happy enough with him. Could be one Danish Nicklas for another.
He was only 18 when he has his season at Blues.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on July 08, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
Very surprised to see that he is only 26. Seems to have been around for years. Would be happy enough with him. Could be one Danish Nicklas for another.

We'd still be looking forward to the day we finally replaced one of our starters with a better player, though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2014, 10:33:01 PM
Considering the injuries, we strictly would be on the opening day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
No offence but Senderos, Joe Cole and Bendtner ! It's like going to a car boot sale after 3 pints of Stella and coming home with a load of nonsense you'll never use.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frank black on July 08, 2014, 11:17:55 PM
Hope we don't sign Bentner, he's sat on a big contract and done nought. Just adding to the bomb squad IMO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:20:22 PM
Given that we've minus Benteke till the end of the year, and possibly Kozak for the beginning of the season, Helenius going, Bent probably going and Bowery gone (huge loss that one), we do need a striker. On our current budget and where we're casting our fishing nets, unfortunetly there's not too many better than Bentdner. If this was a season loan, or a short term loan I wouldn't mind it that much. But he's going to want a 3-4 year deal I'd have thought. 2 at the very least. Plus this is Bendtner too. He's not going to want to trim his demands to the extend Senderos and Cole probably have. If we get Bendtner it's a big outlay on essentially a player to cover for a few months, because long term, he's way too erratic. He's got talent (not half as much as he thinks) but he's like Ireland on acid.

Yes he'd be an improvement on Helenius and Bowery but I'd honestly rather gamble on Robinson. Take the punt and throw the lad in, hope that he, Gabby and Weimann can cover until Kozak is back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 11:22:25 PM
Benteke isn't going to be out till the end of the year, they reckon he'll be back by September.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
Can't we just press the Robbie Keane button then til September .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 08, 2014, 11:25:56 PM
Senderos, Cole, Bendtner. Have we been sold to the MLS and we're their first overseas franchise or something?

Sorry. Just struggling to work out what the fuck is going on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 11:22:25 PM
Benteke isn't going to be out till the end of the year, they reckon he'll be back by September.
That would be fantastic. Be keeping my fingers crossed on that one. I suspect, much like when he was recovering from injury last season, he'll take a while to get into the swing, so we may not see the old Benteke back till Festivus-New Year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
Can't we just press the Robbie Keane button then til September .
I'd settle for that. I'm sure Uncle Roy could persuade him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 08, 2014, 11:36:36 PM
Did Keane have Bendtner at Sunderland?

I guess we just have to look on the bright side. If Bendtner comes, it makes Samaras less likely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 08, 2014, 11:43:36 PM
Great. Not only is Bendtner utter shit, he's stark raving bonkers as well. Come join the circus
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:46:00 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2014, 11:36:36 PM
Did Keane have Bendtner at Sunderland?

I guess we just have to look on the bright side. If Bendtner comes, it makes Samaras less likely.
Bendtner or Samaras... almost a bit like having to choose between a night of passion with Anne Widdicombe or Janet Street Porter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 08, 2014, 11:50:15 PM
The problem with Cole .Sendaros and possibly Bendtner is they are the kind of experienced signings on a free a newly promoted club would sign...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 08, 2014, 11:50:15 PM
The problem with Cole .Sendaros and possibly Bendtner is they are the kind of experienced signings on a free a newly promoted club would sign...
Yep. Newly promoted into The Championship .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 08, 2014, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Isn't Bendtner a bit of a mentalist

More of a complete twat would be my description.

His latest attempt to endear himself to the Danish public was to wipe his knob across the driver's window of a taxi, as his way of concluding an argument with the driver of said taxi. (I think he was fined for public indecency).

This was about 18 months after getting done for drink driving in Copenhagen, which led to a ban from the national team for the 12 months of his driving ban.

The guy's got an attitude / ego problem and apparently a bit of a taste for alcohol.

He's been doing some punditry for TV2 over here, on occasions with Morten Olsen the Denmark manager.  Let's just say the body language was interesting.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Wasn't Bendtner also involved in an incident of damaging cars whilst pissed up in Newcastle city centre?

He's an absolute bell-end. I hope we go nowhere near.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2014, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:46:00 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2014, 11:36:36 PM
Did Keane have Bendtner at Sunderland?

I guess we just have to look on the bright side. If Bendtner comes, it makes Samaras less likely.
Bendtner or Samaras... almost a bit like having to choose between a night of passion with Anne Widdicombe or Janet Street Porter.
Not doing that again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Wasn't Bendtner also involved in an incident of damaging cars whilst pissed up in Newcastle city centre?

He's an absolute bell-end. I hope we go nowhere near.
Yes he was. But it's Newcastle so let's cut him some rope.
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Post by: bertlambshank on July 09, 2014, 01:05:17 AM
Hasn't played many games since 2012.Just what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2014, 01:35:29 AM
Points about his personality and footballing ability (both very questionable) aside, what I don't understand is he was reportedly on a huge salary at Arsenal, presumably now looking for parable/better and that doesn't compute with our policy of the last few years.

And if there is some flexibility on wages on account of it being a free transfer why on earth would you spend it on Bendtner?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 09, 2014, 02:12:25 AM
I think he's crap. Believes he is much better than what he really is...a proper dump Zlatan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2014, 02:27:33 AM
He's an odd player. He's got a good international record for Denmark with essentially 1 in 2 but like Bentley seemed to start believing the hype just as gained some notoriety and became a complete cock. A 6ft 4' free agent international striker with that record, and only 26 should be well received. However he just leaves such a questionable taste in the mouth that it is hard to be happy with this move. If it comes true he better start winning us over quickly and not act the wanker we have read about these past couple of years.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on July 09, 2014, 03:41:59 AM
At least we're being consistent in signing really shit players.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 05:30:51 AM
one of the few footballers to out-tool  Ireland. The only thing I can think of in mitigation is that the wheels of his Range Rover are not pink.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2014, 07:59:15 AM
Quote from: supertom on July 08, 2014, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 08, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
Can't we just press the Robbie Keane button then til September .
I'd settle for that. I'm sure Uncle Roy could persuade him.
Can you think of a single reason why LA Galaxy would want to lend us their main striker halfway through their season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2014, 08:02:35 AM
Because we're Aston Villa and every ex-player that we want back would surely want to come back and play for us. They love the club as much as we do. See:

Barry G
Milner J
Young A

and in a season or two you'll be able to add

Cahill G

to that list
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2014, 09:02:34 AM
I think Bendtner is good enough to replace Luiz in defence for Brazil.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 09, 2014, 09:20:34 AM
He's not very good, but neither are we. Fitting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2014, 09:21:22 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on July 09, 2014, 01:05:17 AM
Hasn't played many games since 2012.Just what we need.

He'll be fresh and "up for the challenge", no doubt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 09, 2014, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2014, 09:21:22 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on July 09, 2014, 01:05:17 AM
Hasn't played many games since 2012.Just what we need.

He'll be fresh and "up for the challenge", no doubt.

Hopefully the smell will have worn off from his time in Small Heath
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2014, 09:30:47 AM
Whilst I don't think he's as bad a player as people say he is, you would have thought his off the field antics would have put Lambert and other manager's off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2014, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 09, 2014, 08:02:35 AM
Because we're Aston Villa and every ex-player that we want back would surely want to come back and play for us. They love the club as much as we do. See:

Barry G
Milner J
Young A

and in a season or two you'll be able to add

Cahill G

to that list
And Fonz, Alby and Messi II when they are just past great!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
Normally I'd say all this talk of Bendtner is ludicrous, but at the moment it's perfectly plausible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 09, 2014, 09:35:23 AM
I hope Roy will be having a word with Bendtner before he "signs"

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 10:05:28 AM
I just wonder which our of our three 6ft 3inch centre-forwards will be the first to look around the squad and ask where all of the wingers are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
Well given that the Mirror was one of the sources we should wait on this one, but if this does turn out to be true then this most be April Fools day right!?

Anyway, I'll bite, the signing wouldn't work for five reasons.  One he's shit.  Two we should be focusing on other areas more.  Three he's shit.  Four if he is meant to be a squad player that makes no sense as he wants to play and is no different from a few of the players we already have, i.e. bumbling target man type.  And Five if he is being signed as a lead striker until the better players return then he just isn't good enough.

Now this may turn out to be bollocks, so I won't go on about how signing Bendtner could be the final nail in Lambert's coffin or how it would be another signing setting us up for life in the Championship or anything like that ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 10:22:25 AM
The reality (as I see it) is that, for all of his faults, Bendtner is easily good enough for us. He might not be quite good enough for Arsenal or Juventus, but for where we are he's about as good as it gets.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2014, 10:24:56 AM
I think the issue is that our major problem is that we have no supply for the front men. That is what we should be addressing in the first instance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 10:22:25 AM
The reality (as I see it) is that, for all of his faults, Bendtner is easily good enough for us. He might not be quite good enough for Arsenal or Juventus, but for where we are he's about as good as it gets.

To be fair, it is possible that at our level he may start to look a better player (can't remember if he did much at Sunderland TBH), but then my issue would be that we already have better strikers like him, and overall am not sure if we really need to invest up front.  Also, what would we be paying? Because if money is tight then I don't think Bendtner is the sort you want to be splashing out on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2014, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
(can't remember if he did much at Sunderland TBH)
My main memory of that is him having a goal wrongly-disallowed for offside ten minutes from time in that tedious 0-0 a couple of years ago at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 09, 2014, 11:04:19 AM
A few seasons ago I would've said a 'Baggies' signing if I've ever seen one. Seeing that they signed Lescott that seems a little unfair, definately a modern day Villa signing. I dont think he do any worse than Weimann or Gabby did last season when it comes to scoring goals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 11:10:50 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 09, 2014, 11:04:19 AM
A few seasons ago I would've said a 'Baggies' signing if I've ever seen one. Seeing that they signed Lescott that seems a little unfair, definately a modern day Villa signing. I dont think he do any worse than Weimann or Gabby did last season when it comes to scoring goals.

Not getting the hate for Weinmann, one bad season does not make a bad player, he is still young also.  Gabby has been poor for awhile now on the other hand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2014, 11:16:04 AM
This isn't making me happy.  Randy please stop
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 09, 2014, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 11:10:50 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 09, 2014, 11:04:19 AM
A few seasons ago I would've said a 'Baggies' signing if I've ever seen one. Seeing that they signed Lescott that seems a little unfair, definately a modern day Villa signing. I dont think he do any worse than Weimann or Gabby did last season when it comes to scoring goals.

Not getting the hate for Weinmann, one bad season does not make a bad player, he is still young also.  Gabby has been poor for awhile now on the other hand.

No hate for Weimann at all just stated that Benteke apart our forwards are hardly free scoring.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villabear on July 09, 2014, 11:23:30 AM
I don't post much at all but Nicklas Bendtner? FFS.
But this is where we're at I'm afraid people.
UTV
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2014, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 10:22:25 AM
The reality (as I see it) is that, for all of his faults, Bendtner is easily good enough for us. He might not be quite good enough for Arsenal or Juventus, but for where we are he's about as good as it gets.

To be fair, it is possible that at our level he may start to look a better player (can't remember if he did much at Sunderland TBH), but then my issue would be that we already have better strikers like him, and overall am not sure if we really need to invest up front.  Also, what would we be paying? Because if money is tight then I don't think Bendtner is the sort you want to be splashing out on.

We definitely need to strength up front.

We generally play with a front 3 and the current options, assuming Helenius does go out (either on loan or permanent) are:

Benteke - missing for part of the start of the season, back Sept-Nov - plays central
Kozak - possibly missing the start of the season, back Aug-Sept - plays central
Gabby - 4 in 30 last season - plays left or central but better central
Weimann - 5 in 37 last season - plays right or central but better central
Robinson - 19yo with 4 sub appearances to his name - plays any of the 3

We need someone to compete with Gabby and Weimann in those wide roles, a player who can get to the line and cross or can cut inside and shoot but I don't have anyone in mind for it.  I have no idea of someone in our price range we could go for but Memphis Depay is the type of player I'd be looking at.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 11:34:19 AM
viewed in context of him being brought in as this coming season's replacement for Grant Holt, it would be conclusive proof to me that Lambert is, in fact, mad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 11:38:30 AM
The Mirror article stated that Eintracht Frankfurt offered Bendtner a 3 year contract but he's actually only looking for a 1-year deal. If that is the case then this makes more sense. You'd hope that we'd be sold by this time next year so will be looking for better options than him, and he can use the season as a shop window to impress the clubs that he thinks he's good enough to play for. Win-win.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 11:34:19 AM
viewed in context of him being brought in as this coming season's replacement for Grant Holt, it would be conclusive proof to me that Lambert is, in fact, mad.

Good example of the desperation of most of us to find some solace in the market we operate in these days.

He'd be a better option than Grant Holt, yes, but then again, Grant Holt was fucking terrible and not good enough in the first place.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on July 09, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Just sell the fucking club you idiot and we can hopefully stop having these depressing discussions about Nicholas Flippin Bentdner being an improvement on our squad.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
I wonder how season ticket sales are going?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 09, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Personally, I'd rather wait until the latter stages of the window and get a forward in on loan than sign Bentdner on a permanent deal. 

The likes of Borini and possibly Wellbeck could be available. They are different than the target man options Lambert seems to favour, but we need different.  There was way too much of an over reliance on booting the ball long last season.  Depending on their rehab, we'll have Kozak and Benteke back available again for a large part of the season.  In the meantime, Gabby and Wiemann can play more central. That probably suits their natural game more anyway.  A Borini or Wellbeck would give us some variation.

The bulk of any actual money we have should go on at least one central midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 12:26:29 PM
On a 1 year deal it does make sense in fairness. If he does well great, doesn't do well then see you later.


I would also say that it may well be a cheap option if a 1 year deal that allows the bulk to be spent on a midfielder and a full back, or a couple of midfielders.



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 09, 2014, 12:30:27 PM
Have been told that Kozak will not be ready 'til Dec, Benteke needs more time so (and it really hurts me to say this) someone like Bentdner may do a job for us.
Don't forget N'Zogbia is back too to hopefully provide a bit of service from midfield/out wide.

Agree with KG, midfield has to be the priority.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 12:38:11 PM
Kozak had a double break didn't he? And Benteke snapped his achilles? Judging on NZogbia, who took a season literally then I can't see either being fully fit and flying before Christmas. We need a striker for sure.

Agreed on NZogbia, interesting Lambert mentioned him and Carruthers yesterday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 09, 2014, 12:39:39 PM
There has to be somebody better though?  Pains me to say it, but I'd rather us get somebody like Bobby Zamora.

Cant believe we're having these discussions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 09, 2014, 12:39:39 PM
There has to be somebody better though?  Pains me to say it, but I'd rather us get somebody like Bobby Zamora.
Bendtner isn't a world-beater, but he's leagues above the likes of Zamora.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2014, 12:53:02 PM
Normally I'd say if he signs give him a chance, as i did with our other 2 recent signings but in Bentner's case he can well and truly go and get fucked.

If we're trying to create a squad of similar named strikers (Bent,Benteke,Bentner) it makes sense, otherwise it makes no sense at all. Not just a has been, but a has been with an (apparent) bad attitude.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 09, 2014, 12:53:35 PM
The average fan, punter or a bored housewife would tell us that we have signed 3 players that history tells us have been poor, at a push scraping mediocrity through out their careers. So why would Lambert take not just 1 gamble but 3 on these chaps.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2014, 12:57:54 PM
I saw somewhere yesterday that Kozak was back in light training so he can't be that far away.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on July 09, 2014, 12:58:46 PM
Tuscan because Lambert is an idiot and has not got a clue what he is doing, the other thing that really concerns me, is that if we are in a dog fight next year, are the likes of Cole, Bentner the types you would want in the trenches with you??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
From what was being said, Benteke appeared to be further away from fitness than Kozak as he was said to be still in rehabilitation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 09, 2014, 01:11:37 PM
A ruptured Achilles is worse than a broken leg; minimum 6 months to recover - in which case Benteke wont be ready until October/ November.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on July 09, 2014, 01:17:49 PM
We need a centre forward while Benteke & Kozak recover - when they do, we actually have a pretty balanced and decent forward line. I would have thought a season-long loan (or even a six month loan) would have been ideal.

What perplexes me about our signings so far - and I appreciate Lambert has a seriously limited budget, by Premier League standards - is that we're now bringing in players who are, in almost every way, complete opposites to the new recruits of the last two years. Two years of young, unproven, totally new to either English football or the Prem Leg, and now this. Why can't we look at the middle ground? We've snapped up two (possibly three) guys just released by other PL clubs.

On Bendtner: I actually think he's a reasonably talented striker. But he's done barely anything for two or three years and his off-field exploits should be a concern.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2014, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: Merv on July 09, 2014, 01:17:49 PM
We need a centre forward while Benteke & Kozak recover - when they do, we actually have a pretty balanced and decent forward line. I would have thought a season-long loan (or even a six month loan) would have been ideal.

What perplexes me about our signings so far - and I appreciate Lambert has a seriously limited budget, by Premier League standards - is that we're now bringing in players who are, in almost every way, complete opposites to the new recruits of the last two years. Two years of young, unproven, totally new to either English football or the Prem Leg, and now this. Why can't we look at the middle ground? We've snapped up two (possibly three) guys just released by other PL clubs.

On Bendtner: I actually think he's a reasonably talented striker. But he's done barely anything for two or three years and his off-field exploits should be a concern.

I suspect the middle ground is also the most expensive ground.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on July 09, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
To a point, obviously. We all know there's a level of player we can't recruit.

But you're not telling me there aren't players available, playing overseas, who are available either on frees, or season loans, who'd be happy at £20k a week? Today's scouting networks and systems, and we can't target those players?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2014, 01:32:13 PM
Quote from: Merv on July 09, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
To a point, obviously. We all know there's a level of player we can't recruit.

But you're not telling me there aren't players available, playing overseas, who are available either on frees, or season loans, who'd be happy at £20k a week? Today's scouting networks and systems, and we can't target those players?



Evidence appears to suggest we can't, no.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on July 09, 2014, 01:35:49 PM
Clearly we can't.

It feels very short term. But then, that's probably deliberate, of course, given the club's situation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2014, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Merv on July 09, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
To a point, obviously. We all know there's a level of player we can't recruit.

But you're not telling me there aren't players available, playing overseas, who are available either on frees, or season loans, who'd be happy at £20k a week? Today's scouting networks and systems, and we can't target those players?


I think part of the problem is that Lamberts mindset now suggests there's an acknowledgement that his signings, mostly cheap foreign imports or lower league, have come up short on the whole. Whilst there might be plenty of potential free's in Europe to have. It seems his eyes are firmly set on what we'd probably call very MON-esque signings.
It's a shame we're not eyeing German, Italian and Spanish clubs release lists in some ways, but I suppose part of Lambo's thinking is he wants tried and tested in this division.
It's clear he's concentrating very much on the immediate now and long term signings are probably not on his agenda quite so much. Lets face it, he's walking on thin ice. A takeover likely means the end of his reign. I suspect his pride means he wants to finish on a high.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2014, 02:00:49 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 09, 2014, 12:39:39 PM
There has to be somebody better though?  Pains me to say it, but I'd rather us get somebody like Bobby Zamora.

Cant believe we're having these discussions.
Also Bobby is under contract (on something we couldn't hope to afford) and thus not in our budget.

Yep...that's right...we can't afford a 32 year old Bobby Zamora.

Is there a good freebies list out there somewhere?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 09, 2014, 02:04:09 PM

We bought Kozak to cover Benteke (not sure how, totally different players and miles apart in terms of quality) and now we're buying Bendtner to cover the injured cover ?

So what happens when all 3 are fit ? How many strikers do we need ?

Might as well just sell Agbonlahor and Weimann and replace with one DECENT replacement to my mind. They've done NOTHING to warrant staying and could make way for someone far more useful i'm sure



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: E I Adio on July 09, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
As always, The Fiver has an interesting slant:

"And in what could be our favourite story of the day, Nicklas Bendtner is reportedly making his way from Instagram to Aston Villa. Him and Roy Keane together. What could possibly go wrong, eh?"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 02:14:15 PM
Hope there is no truth that Kozak won't be back until December rumour.  And this talk of CNZ returning is very concerning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on July 09, 2014, 02:14:33 PM
I think Weimann, when played through the middle offers a lot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 02:14:15 PM
And this talk of CNZ returning is very concerning.

Why?

He cost us £10m, and our squad is piss poor, the fact we've decided finally to let him play with the grown ups again can only be a positive thing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Agreed. N'Zogbia lacks consitency and has his faults, but he is a good player capable of improving our side more often than not.

Kozak is in light training, so I doubt it will be another 5 months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 09, 2014, 02:14:33 PM
I think Weimann, when played through the middle offers a lot.

I thought he was truly dreadful last season for the main part last season. Aside form is through ball to Luna on the opening day and his goals against Hull towards the end, he generally looked like he was out of his depth in the Premiership.

His movement is decent, but his touch, vision and decision making are all pretty poor and he'd need to play upfront in a 2, rather than a 3 to make any impact as a direct striker, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2014, 02:22:37 PM
We'll not be able to sign a winger/attacking midfielder nearly as good as N'Zogbia as things stand. If he can finally capture the form he's capable off, then he'll be an asset. In ability terms, short of Benteke and Cole, he's our best player. He's still got a good few years in him too. We just need to use him right. I'd start by playing him in his favoured position on the right wing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 02:14:15 PM
And this talk of CNZ returning is very concerning.

Why?

He cost us £10m, and our squad is piss poor, the fact we've decided finally to let him play with the grown ups again can only be a positive thing.

The biggest plus for me is that we'll have someone who can take a set-piece. Aside from direct free-kicks, our free kicks and corners (mainly Westwood) were awful last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2014, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 09, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Agreed. N'Zogbia lacks consitency and has his faults, but he is a good player capable of improving our side more often than not.

Kozak is in light training, so I doubt it will be another 5 months.

Agree on N'Zog he can definitely improve our team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2014, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 09, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Agreed. N'Zogbia lacks consitency and has his faults, but he is a good player capable of improving our side more often than not.

Kozak is in light training, so I doubt it will be another 5 months.

Agree on N'Zog he can definitely improve our team.

He will if he decides to look up and pass rather than run into three men which he used to do.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2014, 03:21:51 PM
Helinius loan confirmed on the OS
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2014, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 09, 2014, 03:21:51 PM
Helinius loan confirmed on the OS

I hope we don't give up on the kid but something isn't entirely right there that maybe this loan helps figure out. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 03:32:01 PM
I think it might be no more than homesickness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
It's a pity we could send him to a Wolves/Forest/Reading type club to get used to the type of game here.

On the flip side, if he has another decent season in Denmark we shouldn't have any trouble getting our money back for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
Seems like a sensible solution all round.

Now, who to replace him with...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2014, 03:45:22 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 09, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
Seems like a sensible solution all round.

Now, who to replace him with...

Mandzukic is available, but we'd have to get in there before Atletico Madrid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2014, 03:50:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 09, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
It's a pity we could send him to a Wolves/Forest/Reading type club to get used to the type of game here.

On the flip side, if he has another decent season in Denmark we shouldn't have any trouble getting our money back for him.
Apparently he had 1-2 other clubs interested but he was intent on going back to his old club. May just be a case of being homesick.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
N'zogbia could be a big asset to us this coming season. I don't get all the hate posts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 09, 2014, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 09, 2014, 02:14:15 PM
And this talk of CNZ returning is very concerning.

Why?

He cost us £10m, and our squad is piss poor, the fact we've decided finally to let him play with the grown ups again can only be a positive thing.

The biggest plus for me is that we'll have someone who can take a set-piece. Aside from direct free-kicks, our free kicks and corners (mainly Westwood) were awful last season.

I think part of that is by design, weirdly. 

Bannan always used to play those shitty, floaty corners that barely cleared the near post. Yet at Palarse he was whipping the ball in at speed. 

I'm sure I read somewhere that Benteke decides on what type of ball he wants played in, and he prefers those shitty efforts for reasons I can't quite fathom.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
N'zogbia could be a big asset to us this coming season. I don't get all the hate posts.

I agree. He is hit and miss without a doubt but in our current beggars can't be choosers situation I think he definitely needs to be in the match day squad either in the team or on the bench as he can be a match winner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 09, 2014, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
N'zogbia could be a big asset to us this coming season. I don't get all the hate posts.

I don't hate him, he's just rubbish
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
If Bendtner does join I hope he's got rid that massively twattish hairstyle he was sporting at the end of his time at Arsenal. He looked a right penis with that Samurai thing going on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 05:33:07 PM
Some fella on twitter from Talkshit saying that we are not interested.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 05:35:57 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 05:33:07 PM
Some fella on twitter from Talkshit saying that we are not interested.
What generally ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 05:47:59 PM
Probably fair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on July 09, 2014, 06:27:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2014, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 09, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Agreed. N'Zogbia lacks consitency and has his faults, but he is a good player capable of improving our side more often than not.

Kozak is in light training, so I doubt it will be another 5 months.

Agree on N'Zog he can definitely improve our team.

Agree if N'Zog can get back to his best he will be a big upgrade on Albrighton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 08:08:50 PM
thank fuck for that. Grant Holt's twice the footballer Bendtner will ever be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 08:08:50 PM
thank fuck for that. Grant Holt's twice the footballer Bendtner will ever be.

Literally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.
What was the first bit ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.
What was the first bit ?

We nearly finished 9th.








Anyone else getting that sense of déją vu.....?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2014, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.
What was the first bit ?

The General is not doing a proposed team building weekend in the Brecon beacons
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 09, 2014, 08:33:03 PM
Charles N'Zogbia has assumed a reputation during his lay off that I never saw any reason for when he was actually playing.   Likewise Marc Albrighton has had every aspect of his performances for us downgraded since he chose to leave.   One fan's opinion but I do not believe Charles N'Zogbia is much cop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2014, 08:34:50 PM
If bringing in Bendtner meant that any actual money we have gets spend on the midfield and full back areas, then I would be ok with it. Seems like it's not happening though, so, we can watch with absolute pleasure, the ear cupping mug and the can't be arsed forwards we had at the end of last season. Hopefully, that puts it into some perspective for people. You can't blame Villa for looking at freebies if money is lacking. Swansea bid for Troy Deeney. Wouldn't mind matching them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 09, 2014, 08:33:03 PM
Charles N'Zogbia has assumed a reputation during his lay off that I never saw any reason for when he was actually playing.   Likewise Marc Albrighton has had every aspect of his performances for us downgraded since he chose to leave.   One fan's opinion but I do not believe Charles N'Zogbia is much cop.

Nzogbia the season before was a catalyst for our form improving. Scored the winner against West Ham, got the goal against Fulham, was excellent at Albion etc. He had some poor games too, but we are much more creative with him in the side committing the opposition than Weimann wandering about like billy big bollocks doing fuck all and scoring 3 goals all season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2014, 08:48:36 PM
I struggle to see how having Zog as another option is a bad thing. I'd have given anything to have him as an option instead of Gabby, Andi or Tonev last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2014, 08:50:27 PM
N'Zog is so flaky we'd be mad to bank on him.
Bendtner is crap and the idea that we're even thinking about him is baffling, astonishing and - frankly - mad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 09, 2014, 08:08:50 PM
thank fuck for that. Grant Holt's twice the footballer Bendtner will ever be.

well, twice the size anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 09, 2014, 08:33:03 PM
Charles N'Zogbia has assumed a reputation during his lay off that I never saw any reason for when he was actually playing.   Likewise Marc Albrighton has had every aspect of his performances for us downgraded since he chose to leave.   One fan's opinion but I do not believe Charles N'Zogbia is much cop.
Thanks Brian, comments noted and filed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2014, 09:00:07 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 09, 2014, 08:33:03 PM
Charles N'Zogbia has assumed a reputation during his lay off that I never saw any reason for when he was actually playing.   Likewise Marc Albrighton has had every aspect of his performances for us downgraded since he chose to leave.   One fan's opinion but I do not believe Charles N'Zogbia is much cop.
Thanks Brian, comments noted and filed.

We do exactly the same thing with Jores Okore. He gets better and better having not played.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
I don't see people overestimating N'Zogbia's abilities. I have seen plenty argue that he lacks vision and is frustratingly in and out in terms of contribution. But I have also seen people give credit where it is due and rightly suggest that he has more to offer our side than not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2014, 09:41:04 PM
it's amazing how well he plays when he's in the final year of his contract. See Wigan. I expect him to be well motivated next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Lets hope so eh. In fact, I hope the same with Gabby too. Nothing like the need to be brilliant to get someone to shell out fortunes for you to drive you on.

NZogbia runs down blind alleys, gives it away, frustrates and annoys. Still better than anything else we have creativity wise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 09, 2014, 10:22:46 PM
N'zogbia has been a really big disappointment. But he played a pretty important role in the back end of the season before last. Think about the games against WBA, west ham, QPR, arsenal

He certainly contributed a lot more than albrighton has in the last two years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Lets hope so eh. In fact, I hope the same with Gabby too. Nothing like the need to be brilliant to get someone to shell out fortunes for you to drive you on.

NZogbia runs down blind alleys, gives it away, frustrates and annoys. Still better than anything else we have creativity wise.
Yeah but for every say 8 blind alleys or cul de sacs there comes an A road or autobahn. See west ham home game from season before last.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 09, 2014, 10:22:46 PM
N'zogbia has been a really big disappointment. But he played a pretty important role in the back end of the season before last. Think about the games against WBA, west ham, QPR, arsenal

He certainly contributed a lot more than albrighton has in the last two years.

There is far more hope of us getting something decent out of N'Zogbia than a lot of our players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Lets hope so eh. In fact, I hope the same with Gabby too. Nothing like the need to be brilliant to get someone to shell out fortunes for you to drive you on.

NZogbia runs down blind alleys, gives it away, frustrates and annoys. Still better than anything else we have creativity wise.
Yeah but for every say 8 blind alleys or cul de sacs there comes an A road or autobahn. See west ham home game from season before last.

Exactly the point I am making and did on the previous page. At least he looks to try and make something happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10958016/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-ready-to-offload-seven-players-to-raise-transfer-funds.html

If they are wrong, then someone claiming to be ITK is seriously misleading them.

Paul Lambert has made seven players available for transfer as he bids to raise funds at Aston Villa.

Lambert will listen to offers for £3million defender Joe Bennett and Scotland international Alan Hutton, plus a number of last summer’s signings including Aleksandar Tonev and Antonio Luna.

Nicklas Helenius became the first departure on Wednesday after completing a return to Danish club Aalborg on a season-long loan, barely 12 months after arriving for £1.2million.

And Lambert is also keen to shift fringe players Yacouba Sylla, Chris Herd and Enda Stevens as he desperately attempts to shake up his squad.

The Villa manager met with owner Randy Lerner on Tuesday and emphasised once again that funds are sorely needed to strengthen the squad, despite the growing uncertainty over the club’s future direction.

Lerner will make some money available and has promised that all funds Lambert raises through player sales will go towards potential new recruits.

However, Villa are almost certain to face great difficulty offloading many of the players who have failed to make an impression over the past two seasons.

Bennett, signed from Middlesbrough in 2012, was effectively replaced last season by Spanish defender Luna but both left-backs have struggled, leading to the arrival of Chelsea’s Ryan Bertrand on loan in January.

West Bromwich Albion are interested in taking Hutton but the defender will have to take a pay cut in order to move across the West Midlands.

Darren Bent, the club’s £24million record signing, has attracted interest from Turkish clubs Fenerbahce and Trabzonspor but may earn a surprise reprieve under Lambert due to injuries to Christian Benteke and Libor Kozak.

Lambert has made another appointment to his back-room staff by bringing in Andy Marshall as goalkeeping coach.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2014, 11:23:15 PM
Who is going to give us a round coin for any of that lot?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 11:24:29 PM
Wow that's depressing . And Andy Marshall is back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
I am imagining a chain smoking Lambert in his office late at night with an add listing machine, with till rolls streaming out into the corridor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on July 09, 2014, 11:29:58 PM
No clubs would be looking to spending anything more than a fiver for any of those defenders mentioned in the Telegraph article.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2014, 11:31:32 PM
I am guessing it is more about getting them off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 11:32:33 PM
How much did we get for Helenius ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 09, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on July 09, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Just sell the fucking club you idiot


Yes of course, because it's that easy isn't it. Multi-millionaires are just queueing around the block wanting to buy us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 11:32:33 PM
How much did we get for Helenius ?

He's gone back on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 11:33:41 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 09, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on July 09, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Just sell the fucking club you idiot


Yes of course, because it's that easy isn't it. Multi-millionaires are just queueing around the block wanting to buy us.


Ah, bless, with your antiquated notions of being a multi-millionaire sufficing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 10, 2014, 06:23:34 AM
With regard to Charles N'Zogbia and Marc Albrighton I will say what Dave Woodhall said to me when I said I thought Paul Lambert is a very poor manager namely "we shall see".  When N'Zogbia comes back and plays for us we shall be able to see whether he can or will improve us  Likewise when Marc plays for Leicester we shall be able to see whether the post departure criticism of him is justified.  This point will be returned to and if I am wrong I shall admit as much just like I will if Lambert turns into Martinez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2014, 08:26:11 AM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 09, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on July 09, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Just sell the fucking club you idiot


Yes of course, because it's that easy isn't it. Multi-millionaires are just queueing around the block wanting to buy us.


It was more a vent of frustration than considered opinion at what appears to be the current level of our transfer targets.

In football club owning terms, he's still an idiot though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on July 10, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 10, 2014, 06:23:34 AM
With regard to Charles N'Zogbia and Marc Albrighton I will say what Dave Woodhall said to me when I said I thought Paul Lambert is a very poor manager namely "we shall see".  When N'Zogbia comes back and plays for us we shall be able to see whether he can or will improve us  Likewise when Marc plays for Leicester we shall be able to see whether the post departure criticism of him is justified.  This point will be returned to and if I am wrong I shall admit as much just like I will if Lambert turns into Martinez.

Is that the Martinez that got Wigan relegated? I'm just saying, because I don't think that would have gone down well with Villa fans if there was a collective memory beyond 4 months. For what it's worth, Martinez relegating Wigan didn't make him a bad manager in my eyes, and he's doing well enough at Everton – just like Lambert struggling with Villa while having to cut the budget by tens of millions didn't magically make him a bad manager either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Boz on July 10, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.

Hope this is true, he'd just be another addition to the wage bill with no benefit to the team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 10, 2014, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on July 10, 2014, 08:26:11 AM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 09, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on July 09, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Just sell the fucking club you idiot


Yes of course, because it's that easy isn't it. Multi-millionaires are just queueing around the block wanting to buy us.


It was more a vent of frustration than considered opinion at what appears to be the current level of our transfer targets.

In football club owning terms, he's still an idiot though.

Lerner should've put the club up for sale in August 2010 - it was obvious then that he'd lost the desire to push the club forward. By not doing this he's dragged the club's stature steadily downwards to the point that we have to scrape around the bargain basement at Aldi for freebies in the transfer market. He's not a worthy custodian of this great club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on July 10, 2014, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Rolta on July 10, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 10, 2014, 06:23:34 AM
With regard to Charles N'Zogbia and Marc Albrighton I will say what Dave Woodhall said to me when I said I thought Paul Lambert is a very poor manager namely "we shall see".  When N'Zogbia comes back and plays for us we shall be able to see whether he can or will improve us  Likewise when Marc plays for Leicester we shall be able to see whether the post departure criticism of him is justified.  This point will be returned to and if I am wrong I shall admit as much just like I will if Lambert turns into Martinez.
Criticising Martinez for relegating Wigan is like critcising Caterham for coming last in an F1 race. It isnt a level playing field and is made an irrelevant point by the fact he kept them up for the previous 5-6 seasons which is a massive achievement. They played decent football and he won them a cup as well dont forget.

Is that the Martinez that got Wigan relegated? I'm just saying, because I don't think that would have gone down well with Villa fans if there was a collective memory beyond 4 months. For what it's worth, Martinez relegating Wigan didn't make him a bad manager in my eyes, and he's doing well enough at Everton – just like Lambert struggling with Villa while having to cut the budget by tens of millions didn't magically make him a bad manager either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 09, 2014, 10:22:46 PM
N'zogbia has been a really big disappointment. But he played a pretty important role in the back end of the season before last. Think about the games against WBA, west ham, QPR, arsenal

He certainly contributed a lot more than albrighton has in the last two years.

There is far more hope of us getting something decent out of N'Zogbia than a lot of our players.

I would agree.

CNZ has not been worth the transfer fee but in our present plight he's worth another go without question.

For a start he's that unknown species at the Villa called an attacking midfielder. I can understand if people forgot what they play like.

Last season we had no one who could pick up the ball in the centre of the park and run at back 4s. N'zogbia can do that even if most of the time he runs into defenders.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2014, 09:51:26 AM
Is there a more pointless player in our current squad than Enda Stevens? I actually forgot he was still with us aswell. He's been here a good few years now, what sort of contract did McLeish give him?

From that article it says we're selling the three left backs at the club which won't happen, one will stay at least seeing as we don't have the money to sign Bertrand full time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 10, 2014, 11:08:03 AM
Goodbye, the Bomb Squad but hello, the bigger Bomb Squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 11:15:33 AM
None of those players will be missed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
They won't amount to more than £2 million between them if we manage to sell either unfortunately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
There's been a few suggestions in the papers that Darren Bent is going to get a reprieve and isn't among those 7-8 in the brand spanking new Bomb squad. If that's the case I'm quite pleased. I'd much rather keep Benty on than sign a duffer like Bendtner.
Bents pace may have gone but his movement in the box and eye for goal will still be there. As Klose proves, as long as the service comes, and those instincts are there, a poacher will always grab you goals.

If we concentrate on midfield and fullbacks now, and sort out the supply line, perhaps we'll get a few goals out of the likes of Bent, Kozak, and Weimann (provided he plays through the middle).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 11:26:07 AM
If Kozak isn't going to be ready for a few months, then having Bent in there makes sense.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2014, 11:32:12 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 09, 2014, 11:24:29 PM
Wow that's depressing . And Andy Marshall is back.

Don't think it's depressing. None of them are any good
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 10, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
I still think Bennett deserves a chance - he was playing well by the end of 12-13 season (as was Sylla) and was injured for much of last season.
He, and the others in the sale provide cover if nothing else at the moment. If they all went off to Championship clubs next week it would weaken an already weak squad. But there's no doubt that some of them need to go.
Clark/Baker at left back?

We desperately need a few more midfield options more than anything else!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2014, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Boz on July 10, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.

Hope this is true, he'd just be another addition to the wage bill with no benefit to the team.

Agreed. He'd want a fortune. He's an arse. He's shite. He never scores. Worst of all, judging by his Twitter page, he's a Robbie Williams fan.

Bullet dodged. (Hopefully)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 10, 2014, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: Boz on July 10, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2014, 08:03:26 PM
Pete Colley's tweeted that Villa have told him Bendnter's not coming. This must be the second bit of good news that Delph alluded to.

Hope this is true, he'd just be another addition to the wage bill with no benefit to the team.

Agreed. He'd want a fortune. He's an arse. He's shite. He never scores. Worst of all, judging by his Twitter page, he's a Robbie Williams fan.


Let's hope we have no regrets.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2014, 12:12:38 PM
He's only score once in a Millennium
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 10, 2014, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2014, 11:15:33 AM
None of those players will be missed.

Seeing as our three senior left backs are on that list, they will be missed if they aren't replaced!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 12:23:34 PM
What list is this? One that a newspaper tells us exists?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on July 10, 2014, 11:08:03 AM
Goodbye, the Bomb Squad but hello, the bigger Bomb Squad.

I'm worried about the bomb squad. I don't think we've got anything like enough cover if one of them was to get injured. With N'Zogbia, Hutton and Bent being shipped-out, it's now desperately light in terms of quality. I can't believe Lambert hasn't looked at moving Westwood or delph across as cover yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2014, 12:39:11 PM
I am having cold sweats thinking about Baker and Senderos when Vlaar has gone "marshalling" the back line.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 10, 2014, 12:39:11 PM
I am having cold sweats thinking about Baker and Senderos when Vlaar has gone "marshalling" the back line.

I bet Baker can take a penalty though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2014, 12:43:21 PM
Ah great. 8-1 instead of 8-0 then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 10, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Quote
just like Lambert struggling with Villa while having to cut the budget by tens of millions didn't magically make him a bad manager either.

So what did make him such a shit manager?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sid1964 on July 10, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
I see that Lambert has told Hutton he is staying....if this is the case it is safe to assume he will be our starting right back next season....the way it is looking I think that all the Bomb Squad will start next season apart from Given (and he may be back on the bench)

Obviously next season we are going for a more experienced line up....So Lambert has ripped up the young / hungry plan for next season.

No wonder we are in such a mess, when the manager cant make his mind up about the best way forward.

It is such a shame that such a great club as ours is in such a mess...I have read elsewhere that only 9K have renewed, I think next season is going to be a long one!!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2014, 01:37:16 PM
You have to laugh.........

Alan Hutton wants crunch talks with Paul Lambert after the Aston Villa boss surprisingly blocked a move to West Brom.

Villa chief Lambert has not selected right-back Hutton, 29, in TWO seasons.

Lambert has loaned him out to Nottingham Forest, Real Mallorca and Bolton to save on his £30,000-a-week wages.

But now Villa are up for sale and have limited cash for new players, Lambert has put Hutton back in his first team squad.

He has told interested neighbours Albion that the Scottish international full-back is not for sale.

But Hutton, who has 12 months left at Villa Park, fancies regular games and a longer contract at WBA.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/alan-hutton-demands-showdown-talks-3837513#ixzz374JQCDgl
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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2014, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 10, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
I see that Lambert has told Hutton he is staying....if this is the case it is safe to assume he will be our starting right back next season....the way it is looking I think that all the Bomb Squad will start next season apart from Given (and he may be back on the bench)

Obviously next season we are going for a more experienced line up....So Lambert has ripped up the young / hungry plan for next season.

No wonder we are in such a mess, when the manager cant make his mind up about the best way forward.

It is such a shame that such a great club as ours is in such a mess...I have read elsewhere that only 9K have renewed, I think next season is going to be a long one!!!!

Manager buys young players, fans demand experience.
Manager listens and buys experience, fans moan about the manager not being able to make up his mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 10, 2014, 02:00:32 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 10, 2014, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 10, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
I see that Lambert has told Hutton he is staying....if this is the case it is safe to assume he will be our starting right back next season....the way it is looking I think that all the Bomb Squad will start next season apart from Given (and he may be back on the bench)

Obviously next season we are going for a more experienced line up....So Lambert has ripped up the young / hungry plan for next season.

No wonder we are in such a mess, when the manager cant make his mind up about the best way forward.

It is such a shame that such a great club as ours is in such a mess...I have read elsewhere that only 9K have renewed, I think next season is going to be a long one!!!!

Manager buys young players, fans demand experience.
Manager listens and buys experience, fans moan about the manager not being able to make up his mind.
I was always under the impression that creating the Bomb Squad was a decision made from the top, not Lambert?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 10, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.

That line to the Bon Jovi tune is his Holte End chant sorted then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
Bomb squad back in ...Fulkner leaves ..coincidence ???

I must congratulate Randy /Lambert on there determination to produce the must uninspiring transfer window we have known..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 10, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.

That line to the Bon Jovi tune is his Holte End chant sorted then.


A shot at the goal
Goes down Witton Lane
You give average a bad name
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.
Worrying, if true, that we'll have two of Fulham's last-season defenders in our squad.
Hopefully, like with Bendtner, it is horseshit-reporting from journos trying to find the very worst for our predicament.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 10, 2014, 02:05:58 PM
Richardson, eh? From bomb squad to booby squad in one summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 10, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Nothing on the Internet ( via Google ) to support this . Always thought of him as a Winger but he played full back for Fulham last season ....and scored against us ..................Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2014, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 09, 2014, 02:04:09 PM

We bought Kozak to cover Benteke (not sure how, totally different players and miles apart in terms of quality) and now we're buying Bendtner to cover the injured cover ?

So what happens when all 3 are fit ? How many strikers do we need ?

Might as well just sell Agbonlahor and Weimann and replace with one DECENT replacement to my mind. They've done NOTHING to warrant staying and could make way for someone far more useful i'm sure






good point
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:12:45 PM
It's on Twitter. Dear God.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 10, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Nothing on the Internet ( via Google ) to support this . Always thought of him as a Winger but he played full back for Fulham last season ....and scored against us ..................Godzvilla !

Matt Law ‏@Matt_Law_DT  5m
Aston Villa to sign Kieran Richardson from Fulham - full story to follow #avfc #ffc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
Rather have Kevin richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
I'd rather have Viv Richardson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2014, 02:16:04 PM
Good grief, Richardson in and Hutton not allowed to leave. If both are true it is getting beyond absurd now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2014, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 10, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.

That line to the Bon Jovi tune is his Holte End chant sorted then.


A shot at the goal
Goes down Witton Lane
You give average a bad name

Yes but he can play just below average in various positions, so gives us options....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:18:55 PM
I hope to God that this is a free transfer and there's no money changing hands.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on July 10, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
Always thought Richardson was a decent versatile player - not sure if he is better than Bennett or Luna at left back/wing back though?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 10, 2014, 02:19:31 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2014, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 10, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.

That line to the Bon Jovi tune is his Holte End chant sorted then.


A shot at the goal
Goes down Witton Lane
You give average a bad name

Yes but he can play just below average in various positions, so gives us options....

Chris Herd can do that. No need to bring in someone else.

Given the state of Villa at the moment, playing Herd at right back with Lowton in front is a better option than Richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
Kieran Richardson    oh dear


Id rather have Meg Richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 10, 2014, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
Kieran Richardson    oh dear


Id rather have Meg Richardson

Sandy Richardson was quicker on his feet than Kieran
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:25:22 PM
Richardson is rubbish.

It is now starting to get embarassing, the dross we're signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
Anyone still think we have a bit of money to spend this summer?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 02:28:32 PM
Cole I didn't mind because he'll give us something a bit different in attack. Senderos for his experience fine but not sure about Richardson at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
We are building something very special
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
Were turning into the club people laugh at
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
Were turning into the club people laugh at

We're basically Newcastle, with no money.
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2014, 02:34:39 PM
Jermaine pennant next?
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Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2014, 02:36:20 PM
FFS, don't put ideas into his head.
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Post by: aev on July 10, 2014, 02:40:11 PM
Wasn't Richardson the player that Keane had a go at during his "baby Bentley" rant?
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Post by: Gareth on July 10, 2014, 02:43:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
Anyone still think we have a bit of money to spend this summer?

I still think so...not a lot maybe :-)

One thing I am certain of is we don't have the cash that means he will sign anyone that we'll all say 'that is a good signing'
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Post by: not3bad on July 10, 2014, 02:43:26 PM
Andy Marshall is er, back back back.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-andy-marshall-back-7403447?
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
Anyone still think we have a bit of money to spend this summer?

The thing is- even if we do (which I doubt) we're now fast using up the places in our 25 man squad. With the bomb-squad members returning, and only Helenius and Albrighton departing, we can't have that much room left to bring players in can we?!
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Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 02:44:01 PM
I thought he was older than 29.
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Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 02:44:15 PM
I don't think Richardsons all that bad. He's not a left back though. Too weak defensively. That said, even as a fullback he'd still be an improvement on Bennett and Luna. I think he's always been better playing further forward. Can take a reasonable set piece. I've never gotten why he's often been used as a fullback, particularly at Fulham.
If we're getting him for next to nothing, I can live with that.  He's injury prone though, which provides another problem.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
Were turning into the club people laugh at

We're basically Newcastle, with no money.

Not a nice comparison
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Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
Anyone still think we have a bit of money to spend this summer?

The thing is- even if we do (which I doubt) we're now fast using up the places in our 25 man squad. With the bomb-squad members returning, and only Helenius and Albrighton departing, we can't have that much room left to bring players in can we?!
Then we'd just not register the players we're not going to use. I think if Lambo can he'll be getting 4-5 new recruits this summer. I don't see Hutton, Sylla, Stevens, and one of Luna or Bennett making the 25, even if we still have them. Likewise Tonev may not be included.
Whether a couple of the new signings could be more ambitious signings, remains to be seen.
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Post by: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
Were turning into the club people laugh at

Yeah we are an complete joke at moment.
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Post by: yaliekins on July 10, 2014, 02:53:13 PM
Are these signings not worse than the ones MON is berated for? No manager in his right mind would be signing Joe Cole & Senderos for 20k PW each and then Richardson who'll probably be on more and command a fee ...

Cole I could *maybe* understand, but he hasn't had a good season in more than 4 years. The rest are just filling the squad up with shite and not for cheap, either. I shudder at the thought of the position we will be in this time next year with no new investment  :-[
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 10, 2014, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
Anyone still think we have a bit of money to spend this summer?

The thing is- even if we do (which I doubt) we're now fast using up the places in our 25 man squad. With the bomb-squad members returning, and only Helenius and Albrighton departing, we can't have that much room left to bring players in can we?!
Then we'd just not register the players we're not going to use. I think if Lambo can he'll be getting 4-5 new recruits this summer. I don't see Hutton, Sylla, Stevens, and one of Luna or Bennett making the 25, even if we still have them. Likewise Tonev may not be included.
Whether a couple of the new signings could be more ambitious signings, remains to be seen.

I can't see Randy allowing Lambert to simply not-register the senior players that don't make the cut at the end of the summer. I fear it'll be a "one out, one i" policy from hereon in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 10, 2014, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 02:26:58 PM
Anyone still think we have a bit of money to spend this summer?

The thing is- even if we do (which I doubt) we're now fast using up the places in our 25 man squad. With the bomb-squad members returning, and only Helenius and Albrighton departing, we can't have that much room left to bring players in can we?!
Then we'd just not register the players we're not going to use. I think if Lambo can he'll be getting 4-5 new recruits this summer. I don't see Hutton, Sylla, Stevens, and one of Luna or Bennett making the 25, even if we still have them. Likewise Tonev may not be included.
Whether a couple of the new signings could be more ambitious signings, remains to be seen.

I can't see Randy allowing Lambert to simply not-register the senior players that don't make the cut at the end of the summer. I fear it'll be a "one out, one in" policy from hereon in.
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Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
What's Kieron Dyer up to?  And Marcus Bent?
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Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 03:07:42 PM
I would imagine that we'll get maybe 1-2 more freebies in and then we'll be looking at fee signings from then on. I think the more enticing signing(s) will come but it'll happen in August. Lambert will perhaps bring in Richardson and maybe 1 more freebie in the next week or so, so they're here for the majority of pre-season. I think it's more a case of him getting in the experienced frees first.

And yes, we'll have to balance the numbers so we'll shift as many as possible at the same time. I'd imagine Bomb Squad 2 will be harder to shift than the guys last year though. Come august if most are still around I think we'll be pelting them out on loan to whoever we can.

Hopefully we can sell Hutton soon. Bennett I reckon might attract championship interest. The hopes of getting rid of Luna, Sylla and Tonev, even on loan are quite slim because they're utter bobbins.
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Post by: unclefabio on July 10, 2014, 03:08:23 PM
I imagine Keane had a big say in this.
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Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
Quote from: unclefabio on July 10, 2014, 03:08:23 PM
I imagine Keane had a big say in this.
In which case it's a totally fantastic signing that I have no complaints with. (Looks over shoulder nervously).
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Post by: Matt C on July 10, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
http://fw.to/WTcgweV

We're playing wing backs next season then I guess
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Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 10, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
http://fw.to/WTcgweV

We're playing wing backs next season then I guess
I would imagine so. Certainly you can't put Richardson as a straight up fullback. If he's on the front foot he's not bad. Same goes for Leandro of course.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2014, 03:13:09 PM
not that it will make a lot of difference when you think of their quality, or  width
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 10, 2014, 03:13:42 PM
Better than expected I suppose, he's not too shabby and an improvement on what we have, which granted in some positions isn't hard.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2014, 03:14:39 PM
I suspect we have very little or no money to spend, which if that is the case is completely negligent and stupid from Lerner.
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Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 03:16:04 PM
Is anyone else getting afraid to open this thread now ?
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 10, 2014, 03:18:03 PM
Is Carlton Cole still available on a free?

Or Tony Hibbert?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2014, 03:14:39 PM
I suspect we have very little or no money to spend, which if that is the case is completely negligent and stupid from Lerner.
I'm just hoping it's a case of securing the freebies first before they're snapped up, then moving onto spending a bit of money. That said I only expect us to sign two fee signings at the most, probably in the Kozak, Okore ilk.

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Post by: supertom on July 10, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 10, 2014, 03:18:03 PM
Is Carlton Cole still available on a free?

Or Tony Hibbert?
My nightmare sorted for tonight. The sad part about Hibbert too, is that he'd probably improve us defensively, yet he's one of the most uninspiring Premier League players ever. Right up there with Chris Baird.
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Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 03:20:01 PM
We've had more bomb squads than ISIS, just what on earth is going on down B6 ? It's surreal !
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Post by: Matt C on July 10, 2014, 03:22:17 PM
Amoebi next to complete the set presumably.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 10, 2014, 03:24:23 PM

Has Lee Bowyer got a club ? He must be on this shitlist
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2014, 03:25:46 PM
Keane knew him at united and managed him  at Sunderland.
So guess Lambert is already allowing him to make big calls.

Intelligent or weak management - time will tell
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Post by: Hoppo on July 10, 2014, 03:30:04 PM
Were in the middle of being sold. Who do you expect us to sign?
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on July 10, 2014, 03:30:04 PM
Were in the middle of being sold. Who do you expect us to sign?

I expected the likes of Lescott and Hoolahan to be honest. I expected around £10-£15 million to be spent on transfer fees, and salaries to be run through accordingly.
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
And to correct you - we're in the process of looking for a buyer. That's different to being in the process of being sold.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2014, 03:36:12 PM
Most useful of the 3 so far
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Post by: go on the dog on July 10, 2014, 03:37:39 PM
5 goals from leftback last year, M.O.N. would have spent 10 million on him
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Post by: Simon Ward on July 10, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Remember we are shopping at the big discounters now!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 10, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 10, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 10, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Keiran Richardson from Fulham coming in say the Telegraph

Now there's a player I've always thought was shite.

He gives Average a bad name.

That line to the Bon Jovi tune is his Holte End chant sorted then.

Now I'm really concerned.
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Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 03:56:13 PM
On a positive it's better than the wreckless approach MON took.

Curtis Davies £10m or Swiss Phil - free
Stephen Warnock £8m or Kieran Richardson - free
Habib Beye £3m or Joe Cole - free
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Post by: Hoppo on July 10, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
Exactly. In the process of finding a buyer. Lerner isn't going to sign any cheques.
Richardson will be a solid addition.
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Post by: bobdylan on July 10, 2014, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 10, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 10, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
http://fw.to/WTcgweV

We're playing wing backs next season then I guess
I would imagine so. Certainly you can't put Richardson as a straight up fullback. If he's on the front foot he's not bad. Same goes for Leandro of course.

With Lowton and Bacuna competing for the right wing back slot (and in emergencies Herd could play here) why won't Lambert let Hutton leave who is a full back and not a wing back?  Also if Richardson will play left wing back, who is his cover if Bennett, Luna and Stevens are all pretty much transfer listed?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
I'd rather have Viv Richardson.
Id rather have Sandy Richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 04:05:04 PM
I thought enda had already gone .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 10, 2014, 04:08:06 PM
I think its a decent signing; pedigree of playing for Yanited & he's got 8 England caps....
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Post by: glasses on July 10, 2014, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 10, 2014, 04:08:06 PM
I think its a decent signing; pedigree of playing for Yanited & he's got 8 England caps....
Djemba Djemba played for Man Utd and Cameroon
Kleberson played for Brazil

I know you are clutching at straws, but lets just say it as it is.

It's going to be another player we wouldn't have touched with a bargepole 5 years ago.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 10, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: glasses on July 10, 2014, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 10, 2014, 04:08:06 PM
I think its a decent signing; pedigree of playing for Yanited & he's got 8 England caps....
Djemba Djemba played for Man Utd and Cameroon
Kleberson played for Brazil

I know you are clutching at straws, but lets just say it as it is.

It's going to be another player we wouldn't have touched with a bargepole 5 years ago.



they could have done with him Tuesday  :P
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on July 10, 2014, 04:18:36 PM
A good signing, improves the squad. That's the general idea I think.
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Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 10, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
These signings are quite a spiteful response to calls for more experienced players to be brought in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 10, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
These signings are quite a spiteful response to calls for more experienced players to be brought in.

Funnily enough, when I heard that we'd signed Senderos my initial reaction was to picture Lambert hiding in his office chuckling to himself, "that'll teach them to demand experienced players."
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Post by: paulcomben on July 10, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
August 16 Stoke A Team News: Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Senderos, Richardson, Westwood, Bacuna, Delph, Cole, Weimann/ newbuy, Gabby (442, midfield diamond)

Subs: Steer, Baker/ Clark, Grealish/ Carruthers, Robinson, Okore, N'Zogbia, Bent/ Weimann 

Not selected: Tonev, Bennett, Luna, Hutton, Given, Herd et al
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Post by: django on July 10, 2014, 04:28:20 PM
Darren Bent, Joe Cole, Richardson, Senderos. I think we could be in with a shout for top 4.*



*If we can devlop a time machine.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 04:29:57 PM
Quote from: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 10, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
These signings are quite a spiteful response to calls for more experienced players to be brought in.

I'd have thought that the implicit "and is decent" bit that goes with "is experienced" was so obvious as to not be worth mention.

Experience only isn't going to change anything.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2014, 04:39:21 PM
u
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2014, 04:39:21 PM
u

Is he some Chinese bloke we're signing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 10, 2014, 04:43:04 PM
With Lerner selling we havent got a pot to piss in so free transfers is just about our only option, the last 2 seasons weve all been screaming for older pro's with premier league experience and guess what we have signed some, I am happy enough with Senderos, Cole and Richardson if he comes on board.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 10, 2014, 04:43:56 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 10, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
These signings are quite a spiteful response to calls for more experienced players to be brought in.

Funnily enough, when I heard that we'd signed Senderos my initial reaction was to picture Lambert hiding in his office chuckling to himself, "that'll teach them to demand experienced players."

Yep, can picture him saying "I can't win with that lot.  They have a go when I bring young kids in and they're having a go now I'm bringing in experienced players.  You know what, David O'Leary was right!".

Actually don't think Richardson is a particularly bad signing considering the level we are now operating at.  At the very least, he's an improvement on Bennett and Luna.   

   
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
I'm just not really sure why Randy bothered making that second statement the other day. What form will his "focus on the upcoming season" take? I thought that it might mean a little bit of sensible investment in the squad, but it's not looking that way.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 04:48:03 PM
I suspect we're waiting for the World Cup to finish so we can sign Lee Dixon, now.
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
I've heard that Keown's on a free, but no doubt we'll let him go to The Baggies.
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Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 04:52:51 PM
I am not really sure what Richardson's best position is (no jokes please) as I remember him breaking through as a wideman, but of late at Sunderland and Fulham he has been a full back.

Maybe we will go back to the 352, with an emphasis on the 3 and 5 rather than the other way round.

I have no issue with Hutton staying. I don't think he is very good, but based on Lowton of last year, there isn't much difference in quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 04:54:38 PM
Lowton and Weimann had difficult second seasons last year. I wouldn't be writing them off just yet, there's a pair of decent players there I reckon.
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Post by: curiousorange on July 10, 2014, 04:57:21 PM
These are signings which, had O'Neill made them when he first came in in 2006, would probably have made you nod appreciatively and thought he was building a decent squad.

Eight years later, we sign them, with eight years worth of injuries, poor form, relegations and knowledge that they've all peaked as footballers. If you're pleased by these bargain bucket signings, you may have spent too long in the sun.
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Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:58:21 PM
Lowton,
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 04:54:38 PM
Lowton and Weimann had difficult second seasons last year. I wouldn't be writing them off just yet, there's a pair of decent players there I reckon.

Lowton I agree with you about, but Wiemann I just can't figure out.  His movement is good, but his touch, awareness and decision-making were all very poor for the main-part of the season. Aside from the through-ball to Luna on the opening day and his two goals against Hull at home, I generally thought he was very poor on a weekly basis.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2687605/Kieran-Richardson-Aston-Villa-medical-Fulham-winger-set-snub-West-Ham-West-Brom-Crystal-Palace.html)

Quote
Kieran Richardson to have Aston Villa medical with Fulham winger set to snub West Ham, West Brom and Crystal Palace


Villa medical set for Friday ahead of proposed transfer for undisclosed fee

By SORIEBAH KAJUE

PUBLISHED: 15:21, 10 July 2014 | UPDATED: 15:23, 10 July 2014

Kieran Richardson is expected to have a medical at Aston Villa on Friday ahead of his proposed transfer for an undisclosed fee.

The 29-year-old had been the subject of interest from West Ham, West Brom and Crystal Palace, but Villa now seem poised to sign him.

Richardson had seemed keen to stay in London following Fulham’s relegation, but the arrival of Roy Keane at Villa Park as Paul Lambert’s number two is believed to have swayed his decision.

Keane was captain of Manchester United when Richardson was emerging through the ranks at Old Trafford, and made him Sunderland’s record signing in 2007 while manager.

Owner Randy Lerner has made it clear to Lambert there will be little funds for new signings in this transfer window.

And the acquisition of the former England midfielder is seen as an astute piece of business due to his versatility that allows him to play left-back, midfield and in an attacking role.

Fulham are still dealing with the financial ramifications of their relegation from the Premier League and will let the former Black Cat midfielder leave for a modest fee.

The news of Richardson’s likely switch to Villa Park will come as a blow to West Brom where he is still fondly remembered after playing an integral role in helping retaining their Premier League status in 2005.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: yaliekins on July 10, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on July 10, 2014, 04:57:21 PM
These are signings which, had O'Neill made them when he first came in in 2006, would probably have made you nod appreciatively and thought he was building a decent squad.

Eight years later, we sign them, with eight years worth of injuries, poor form, relegations and knowledge that they've all peaked as footballers. If you're pleased by these bargain bucket signings, you may have spent too long in the sun.

Absolutely spot on.  It's quite clear we're f*cked, no point in trying to put a positive spin on it all, we're signing shite players who may or may not be a slight improvement over the current batch of shite players we have.  If Lerner doesn't sell, though, will we not be lumbered with an even more ridiculous wage bill if we're signing old, past it players on 20k a pop for 2 years a time?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:58:21 PM
Lowton,
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2014, 04:54:38 PM
Lowton and Weimann had difficult second seasons last year. I wouldn't be writing them off just yet, there's a pair of decent players there I reckon.

Lowton I agree with you about, but Wiemann I just can't figure out.  His movement is good, but his touch, awareness and decision-making were all very poor for the main-part of the season. Aside from the through-ball to Luna on the opening day and his two goals against Hull at home, I generally thought he was very poor on a weekly basis.

He probably played too many games in fairness and maybe if Benteke and Kozak had not got injured, we might have used him a bit less. I like him a lot, he's still young enough to improve.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2014, 05:04:51 PM
My favourite part of it is the standard upbeat announcement pish on Pravda with the reminder to snap up season tickets at the bottom, like signings like this will have them queuing round the block. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
Edit: In response to Clampy.

That's true, and he has looked good in (albeit very rare) patches. His work-rate and willingness to help out defensively is a big plus for me also.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 10, 2014, 05:06:25 PM
In our current state of limbo we wont be spending much if anything so freebies it is but these signinings have top flight experience,  maybe people would prefer that we were bringing more lower league fodder with zero experience?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2014, 05:12:41 PM
The way I always try and look at new signings is are they better than what we already have. For me I would have to say yes, Kieran Richardson is better, probably better than Bennett and easily miles better than Luna who we may as well write off.

Is Joe Cole better than what we had in midfield last season...again I would have to say yes as my guess is he will be replacing KEA in that three man midfield and his job will be to supply and chip in with goals...something KEA can't do although I know he wasn't being asked to.

Senderos, well...the jury is out if he is actually better than Baker or Clark. Personally I'm not bothered by it as a fit Vlaar and Okore will keep all 3 out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
These signings are a pretty clear indication we are not going to be sold anytime soon aren't they?

Le sigh :(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: Steve kirk on July 10, 2014, 05:06:25 PM
In our current state of limbo we wont be spending much if anything so freebies it is but these signinings have top flight experience,  maybe people would prefer that we were bringing more lower league fodder with zero experience?

Or better players.

It's not as if the choice is "lower league, inexperienced dross" or "proven mediocrity" with nothing in between.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
How is it that we can only sign frees, and mediocre frees at that, when our owner has hundred of millions in the bank?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 05:18:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: Steve kirk on July 10, 2014, 05:06:25 PM
In our current state of limbo we wont be spending much if anything so freebies it is but these signinings have top flight experience,  maybe people would prefer that we were bringing more lower league fodder with zero experience?

Or better players.

It's not as if the choice is "lower league, inexperienced dross" or "proven mediocrity" with nothing in between.

Its a tough call though, as Lambert clearly doesn't have much to play with at all, almost certainly less than any other side in the league with big demands to rejuvenate the squad.

I wouldn't say Richardson is a good player and I wouldn't say he was a bad one either; he seems to be around and always has been. If he can do a job in a number of positions, then I can see why that is attractive. His ceiling is likely to be mid-table, which is about as good as it gets for us at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 10, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
How is it that we can only sign frees, and mediocre frees at that, when our owner has hundred of millions in the bank?
Well that is his families and other firms money not Aston Villas, we are not entitled to it and its plainly obvious he is not going to throw hundreds of millions of his wealth into the club anymore, hence putting us on the market.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2014, 05:26:31 PM
Interesting read from the Sunderland supporters on Richardson: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/kieran-richardson.938864/
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on July 10, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: Steve kirk on July 10, 2014, 05:06:25 PM
In our current state of limbo we wont be spending much if anything so freebies it is but these signinings have top flight experience,  maybe people would prefer that we were bringing more lower league fodder with zero experience?

Or better players.

It's not as if the choice is "lower league, inexperienced dross" or "proven mediocrity" with nothing in between.

Well, maybe it really is the choice. We could get good players in their prime (not that Richardson is that old – Senderos, well – he's 29), but they clearly cost money to buy and would want more money in wages than the types of free transfers we've been after. Maybe we're saving our main expenditure for that Defensive Midfielder we all want anyway, so we're going cheap on the other signings. Nobody knows.

There isn't a bit of me that doubts Lambert would love to spend £12million on every player, or even one player, but he clearly can't afford that. I'm surprised some people haven't woken up to the fact that we're not in that market because we don't have the money. It is clear as day. This really is where we're at. Also, I think lower-league dross is twisting it: It should be "lower-league potential" or "experienced players".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Ian J on July 10, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
How is it that we can only sign frees, and mediocre frees at that, when our owner has hundred of millions in the bank?
Well that is his families and other firms money not Aston Villas, we are not entitled to it and its plainly obvious he is not going to throw hundreds of millions of his wealth into the club anymore, hence putting us on the market.
No-one's asking for hundreds of millions.  10-15 would help.  That must be a fraction of his wealth.  I mean, we're one of the world's forty richest clubs for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on July 10, 2014, 05:30:35 PM
I wish we'd cheer up a bit. I know it's a Brummie/Villa thing to moan but have we done a Leeds? A Wednesday? A Wolves? A Forest?

No we haven't. Our captain marked the worlds best player out of the game last night, we've added a few players who improve us a little bit, the new kit ain't bad and, for the away crowd, we are playing in Holland in a couple of weeks.

Come on let's have some new season optimism! We're second at the moment!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
I would be a lot happier if we spent a modest sum (which seems like a fortunte at the moment) of £6 million on a good quality central holding midfielder and kept hold of Vlaar. It would improve us no end. We have some good players and a few more reasonable players and with them coming to fitness, we should do a lot better, which cannot be that hard.

The problem is it doesn't look like we'll be doing that at the moment and if we really do have less than £10 million to spread on wages, then I feel sorry for Lambert. There cannot be a harder job in top flight football at the moment.

Which begs the question; why is Aston Villa the only club spending within it means?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2014, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Ian J on July 10, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
How is it that we can only sign frees, and mediocre frees at that, when our owner has hundred of millions in the bank?
Well that is his families and other firms money not Aston Villas, we are not entitled to it and its plainly obvious he is not going to throw hundreds of millions of his wealth into the club anymore, hence putting us on the market.
No-one's asking for hundreds of millions.  10-15 would help.  That must be a fraction of his wealth.  I mean, we're one of the world's forty richest clubs for fuck's sake.

All Lerner is doing by bringing in these players is reducing the asking price as they offer zero added value, just additional cost with no sell on value.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on July 10, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
As others have mentioned, Richardson would have been good a few years ago BUT he does have something a lot of our squad don't have - the ability to pass the ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
I would be a lot happier if we spent a modest sum (which seems like a fortunte at the moment) of £6 million on a good quality central holding midfielder and kept hold of Vlaar. It would improve us no end. We have some good players and a few more reasonable players and with them coming to fitness, we should do a lot better, which cannot be that hard.

The problem is it doesn't look like we'll be doing that at the moment and if we really do have less than £10 million to spread on wages, then I feel sorry for Lambert. There cannot be a harder job in top flight football at the moment.

Which begs the question; why is Aston Villa the only club spending within it means?

I am clinging to the hope that Lambert is saving all his money for the midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 10, 2014, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Ian J on July 10, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
How is it that we can only sign frees, and mediocre frees at that, when our owner has hundred of millions in the bank?
Well that is his families and other firms money not Aston Villas, we are not entitled to it and its plainly obvious he is not going to throw hundreds of millions of his wealth into the club anymore, hence putting us on the market.
No-one's asking for hundreds of millions.  10-15 would help.  That must be a fraction of his wealth.  I mean, we're one of the world's forty richest clubs for fuck's sake.
But that's the figure that's been quoted we're spending this summer. It's never going to get you anything but bottom to mid table players is it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on July 10, 2014, 05:52:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
I'm just not really sure why Randy bothered making that second statement the other day. What form will his "focus on the upcoming season" take? I thought that it might mean a little bit of sensible investment in the squad, but it's not looking that way.

Four days after the statement, 7/8 weeks of the window remaining...think it's a bit early to say he will / won't invest anything in this window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 05:59:51 PM
If we only have one decent fee in us, make it the Benteke of midfielders please!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 10, 2014, 06:01:35 PM
has he actually signed yet ?

if so why hasn't he got his own thread as normal for a new signing, you do realise we will piss him off badly before he's even got here with this lacklustre attitude
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2014, 06:02:09 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Ian J on July 10, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
How is it that we can only sign frees, and mediocre frees at that, when our owner has hundred of millions in the bank?
Well that is his families and other firms money not Aston Villas, we are not entitled to it and its plainly obvious he is not going to throw hundreds of millions of his wealth into the club anymore, hence putting us on the market.
No-one's asking for hundreds of millions.  10-15 would help.  That must be a fraction of his wealth.  I mean, we're one of the world's forty richest clubs for fuck's sake.

Haven't we put this one to bed yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2014, 06:02:09 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
No-one's asking for hundreds of millions.  10-15 would help.  That must be a fraction of his wealth.  I mean, we're one of the world's forty richest clubs for fuck's sake.

Haven't we put this one to bed yet.
Try putting it to bed then.  Explain to me why the reports are wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 10, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Paul Lambert is going down the Brian Clough road of rounding up unwanted has beens and nobodies ready to mould them into a team that will conquer Europe. Senderos could be our Larry Lloyd, Richardson our Frank Clark, Cole our Ian Bowyer and we will actually pay a transfer fee of something like £30,000 to bring the new Garry Birtles from non league.

Or it might not quite work out that well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
I get the derision of Senderos, but this one not so much. Left back we have been awful at for the last 2 years. Player for practically nothing comes available with good experience, pace which as a side we badly lack and an ability to create from wide areas that again, we have badly lacked. Better than Bennett and Luna by miles and miles. If the choice is Richardson on a free and then spend good money on 2 midfielders, or Bertrand for 5 million and 1 midfielder, I would take Richardson for example, as I don't think there is miles between the 2, and we can't be choosy.

In a 3-5-2, with Vlaar Clark and Okore at the back, Bacuna and Richardson going on from wide I think we will have a pretty mid table level back line. Just need to get a couple of midfield players and a centre forward. With Hutton, Bent and NZogbia back in too, we are significantly stronger than on the final day.

Still no better than about 15th, but then with Lerner opting out, I would take that right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2014, 06:41:16 PM
RL is simply doing a holding job whilst he sells. Bring in some relatively reliable players to add a bit of backbone to the callow youths ew have and hope that the sale will happen early enough for money to be spent on the future players in August / January.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 10, 2014, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 10, 2014, 06:41:16 PM
RL is simply doing a holding job whilst he sells.

Lerner is our new midfielder? :o
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 10, 2014, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 10, 2014, 06:41:16 PM
RL is simply doing a holding job whilst he sells.

Lerner is our new midfielder? :o

Really good in spells, but disappears too much for my liking. Championship level at best.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 10, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
According to the Daily Mail article, we beat West Ham, Palace and Albion to his signature.  This is the new normal for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on July 10, 2014, 07:47:18 PM
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
Let's get Jon Harley in while we're at it.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on July 10, 2014, 08:00:39 PM
That was a bit good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2014, 08:01:04 PM
I don't mind Richardson actually.

Decent going forward, he'll be better than Bennett.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 10, 2014, 08:02:09 PM
PSG just spent £50 million on David Luiz, who is a lot worse than Ron Vlaar. Money is not everything. You can also go far with a good coach. Uh oh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
If he signs, I am more than willing to give Richardson a chance. Would prefer Ashley Cole or Philip Lahm but it ain't happening is it
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on July 10, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
I like Richardson. He will do a good job for us at very little cost. Keane obviously rates him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
Let's get Jon Harley in while we're at it.



Foot like a traction engine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 10, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Paul Lambert is going down the Brian Clough road of rounding up unwanted has beens and nobodies ready to mould them into a team that will conquer Europe. Senderos could be our Larry Lloyd, Richardson our Frank Clark, Cole our Ian Bowyer and we will actually pay a transfer fee of something like £30,000 to bring the new Garry Birtles from non league.

Or it might not quite work out that well.

Its going to be like a football version of The Dirty Dozen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 10, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Paul Lambert is going down the Brian Clough road of rounding up unwanted has beens and nobodies ready to mould them into a team that will conquer Europe. Senderos could be our Larry Lloyd, Richardson our Frank Clark, Cole our Ian Bowyer and we will actually pay a transfer fee of something like £30,000 to bring the new Garry Birtles from non league.

Or it might not quite work out that well.

Its going to be like a football version of The Dirty Dozen.

Train them! Excite them! Arm them!

Then turn them loose on the Premier League.

(http://thunderbird37.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Dirty-Dozen.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 09:03:40 PM
I'd go:

------------Savalas-------------

Brown--Walker--Kennedy--Jaeckel

--------------Marvin-------------

-----Bronson-------Meeker-------

Lopez---------------------Cassavetes

--------------Benteke-------------

Subs:
Ryan, R
Sutherland, D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2014, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 10, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
I like Richardson. He will do a good job for us at very little cost. Keane obviously rates him.

Apparently he was one of the players Keane slagged off in that infamous squad review that never got played on MUTV after Man. United were hammered in one of the games.

Didn't stop Keane signing him for Sunderland although he does have a weird thing of signing as many old teammates as possible when he was manager.

TBH I see this as a similar sort of signing as Stoke getting Bardsley and there's no chance of Stoke going down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:11:50 PM
Richardson?! Well we 'jumped the shark' with Cole and Senderos so I suppose nothing should surprise me now.

My friends think I am joking when I say I'm not going to watch us at all next season, not even on TV, but I am dead serious.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: steamer on July 10, 2014, 09:16:07 PM
load of crap, glad Keane has his contacts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
It's going to be absolutely amazing when we actually start buying some players for actual money.

I see Arsenal have signed Alexis Sanchez.

Foreign show pony.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
It's going to be absolutely amazing when we actually start buying some players for actual money.

I see Arsenal have signed Alexis Sanchez.

Foreign show pony.

Quote
Darren Lewis ‏@MirrorDarren 4h

Fascinating day in the transfer market: Aston Villa shopping at football's equivalent of Poundstretcher. Arsenal shopping at Harrods.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:29:38 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
It's going to be absolutely amazing when we actually start buying some players for actual money.

I see Arsenal have signed Alexis Sanchez.

Foreign show pony.

Quote
Darren Lewis ‏@MirrorDarren 4h

Fascinating day in the transfer market: Aston Villa shopping at football's equivalent of Poundstretcher. Arsenal shopping at Harrods.


Ah, that warms the heart and no mistake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
It's going to be absolutely amazing when we actually start buying some players for actual money.

I see Arsenal have signed Alexis Sanchez.

Foreign show pony.

Quote
Darren Lewis ‏@MirrorDarren 4h

Fascinating day in the transfer market: Aston Villa shopping at football's equivalent of Poundstretcher. Arsenal shopping at Harrods.


Arsenal have got a lot more money than all but about three clubs in the league. Where's the story in that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on July 10, 2014, 09:32:53 PM
Have we put a load of players on the transfer list then? Or have I been fed duff info?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
It's going to be absolutely amazing when we actually start buying some players for actual money.

I see Arsenal have signed Alexis Sanchez.

Foreign show pony.

Quote
Darren Lewis ‏@MirrorDarren 4h

Fascinating day in the transfer market: Aston Villa shopping at football's equivalent of Poundstretcher. Arsenal shopping at Harrods.


Arsenal have got a lot more money than all but about three clubs in the league. Where's the story in that?

Well, Daz finds it fascinating anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 10, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
It's going to be absolutely amazing when we actually start buying some players for actual money.

I see Arsenal have signed Alexis Sanchez.

Foreign show pony.

Quote
Darren Lewis ‏@MirrorDarren 4h

Fascinating day in the transfer market: Aston Villa shopping at football's equivalent of Poundstretcher. Arsenal shopping at Harrods.


Arsenal have got a lot more money than all but about three clubs in the league. Where's the story in that?

Well, if you ignore the Arsenal part, the bit about us mooking around the bargain bins in Poundstretcher is still worth comment.

Yet more proof the disengagement of our owner is now total.

Who'd have thought it, that he'd go from how he used to be to what he is now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2014, 09:37:04 PM
In the mid-sixties to early seventies, Tony Waddington, the Stoke manager put together an eclectic mix of players, so-called has-beens such as George Eastham and Roy Vernon.  To this he added a blend of promising youngsters.  IIRC, Stoke rarely struggled, won the League Cup and one year ran very close to winning the league.  In that mix, he also had ex-Villa man Harry Burrows and signed Gordon Banks.

My point is that I think I'm beginning to see similarities.  The quality of our 'has beens' is moot, as to our youngsters, I suppose you could say the same.  I think we should stop all this wringing of hands and tearing our hair out and take a pragmatic approach to the coming season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2014, 09:38:37 PM
Yeah I agree the Arsenal thing is kind of irrelevant, we look like completely devoid of any ambition. I know he wants to leave, but the current level of investment this summer is negligent. It may change, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 09:41:52 PM
Well I think a pragmatic approach is all well and good but panic seems pretty appropriate at this point given the facts as we know them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2014, 09:44:57 PM
We're not being pragmatic, the club is being willfully negligent at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
I don't know if it's coincidence, but you do seem to get more sneering about 'little' clubs and "What is the point  of x?" from the direction of Arsenal than anywhere else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
Upper Holte, same place I was sitting when we were quite decent and also the same place I sat when it was a bit dull.

Come the revolution, any half and half scarf JCLs who sit by me will find themselves in the lower Holte.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
I don't know if it's coincidence, but you do seem to get more sneering about 'little' clubs and "What is the point  of x?" from the direction of Arsenal than anywhere else.

Last season I noticed a lot of rather spiteful comments from Arsneerful fans implying we deserved to go down because we did not play "proper" football. I put it down to bitterness for us beating them fairly at their place.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on July 10, 2014, 09:53:36 PM
well we've renewed and one day we'll be great again and it will feel so sweet .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:54:20 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
I don't know if it's coincidence, but you do seem to get more sneering about 'little' clubs and "What is the point  of x?" from the direction of Arsenal than anywhere else.

Last season I noticed a lot of rather spiteful comments from Arsneerful fans implying we deserved to go down because we did not play "proper" football. I put it down to bitterness for us beating them fairly at their place.


Don't forget, their bible was written by someone who said that small clubs deserved to go out of business and if you get priced out of attending, tough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Well, if you ignore the Arsenal part, the bit about us mooking around the bargain bins in Poundstretcher is still worth comment.

Yet more proof the disengagement of our owner is now total.

Who'd have thought it, that he'd go from how he used to be to what he is now.
When Randy took over I never thought for a moment that we'd be spending £35M on a player.  But equally I never thought we'd get to the point where we were signing - exclusively - free 30+ has-beens.

I genuinely can't fathom how a man as wealthy as Lerner has let the club get into this position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
Come the revolution, any half and half scarf JCLs who sit by me will find themselves in the lower Holte.
You are Mazrim and I claim my free copy of Soldier of Fortune.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
I am twice the man Marzim is.

Literally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

The remarkable circumstances of supporting a team that isn't very good?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
Keane, Senderos, Richardson and  Cole in
Faulkner gone
No sale
Lambert still here

So the strategy is keep our PL status on a shoestring, we have gone from young and hungry and not very good to not very good and not very hungry.

PREPARED for what exactly?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on July 10, 2014, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

You'll stop watching the team, fair enough.  Any chance you'll stop posting too?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
Keane, Senderos, Richardson and  Cole in
Faulkner gone
No sale
Lambert still here

So the strategy is keep our PL status on a shoestring, we have gone from young and hungry and not very good to not very good and not very hungry.

PREPARED for what exactly?

I would list these as positives regardless of our position as a club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 10, 2014, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: dekko on July 10, 2014, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

You'll stop watching the team, fair enough.  Any chance you'll stop posting too?
Why should he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

The remarkable circumstances of supporting a team that isn't very good?

I've had a season ticket every year since 95-96, there have been plenty of times in that period where we haven't been very good but I still renewed. This year I have moved away from Birmingham and finding the will to make the effort to get back to games is impossible given the fact that  a) we have a manager who I don't rate and whose tactics I despise b) most of our players are terrible c) the owner has put the club on life support systems only

Last year I dreaded going to Villa Park, I need a break. I know I'm not going to win supporter of the year but I'm not going to make myself miserable just to tick the box that says 'I was there.'
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 10:26:17 PM
I'd rather be us than arsenal. They were stinging their own fans £165 a seat for the Bayern game , greedy bastards and I know season tickets start at about £2k there. If we ever end up like that then that's it, success or no success , that's just madness .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

The remarkable circumstances of supporting a team that isn't very good?

I've had a season ticket every year since 95-96, there have been plenty of times in that period where we haven't been very good but I still renewed. This year I have moved away from Birmingham and finding the will to make the effort to get back to games is impossible given the fact that  a) we have a manager who I don't rate and whose tactics I despise b) most of our players are terrible c) the owner has put the club on life support systems only

Last year I dreaded going to Villa Park, I need a break. I know I'm not going to win supporter of the year but I'm not going to make myself miserable just to tick the box that says 'I was there.'

See you when we're good then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 10:28:46 PM
This 'better fan than yow' stuff is really lame.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 10:26:17 PM
I'd rather be us than arsenal. They were stinging their own and £165 a seat for the Bayern game , greedy bastards and I know season tickets start at about £2k there. If we ever end up like that then that's it, success or no success , that's just madness .

It's not £2k, but it's in the region of a grand and as we've said before, there's a lot of their supporters who will happily shell that out for six or seven games a season and not bother with the rest. And the club knows that if Tarquin & Algernon from Islington don't pay it, the Screwthepoor, Ruineconomy & Laughatit merchant bank will buy the tickets for clients. All debate about the merits and otherwise of owners/managers/players aside, that's the level of opposition we're up against now.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2014, 10:33:10 PM
Meanwhile, in the transfer speculation thread.......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

The remarkable circumstances of supporting a team that isn't very good?

I've had a season ticket every year since 95-96, there have been plenty of times in that period where we haven't been very good but I still renewed. This year I have moved away from Birmingham and finding the will to make the effort to get back to games is impossible given the fact that  a) we have a manager who I don't rate and whose tactics I despise b) most of our players are terrible c) the owner has put the club on life support systems only

Last year I dreaded going to Villa Park, I need a break. I know I'm not going to win supporter of the year but I'm not going to make myself miserable just to tick the box that says 'I was there.'

See you when we're good then.

We don't need to *be* good, I just need to have hope that we *might* be good, or recognise that the club are at least trying to be good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

The remarkable circumstances of supporting a team that isn't very good?

I've had a season ticket every year since 95-96, there have been plenty of times in that period where we haven't been very good but I still renewed. This year I have moved away from Birmingham and finding the will to make the effort to get back to games is impossible given the fact that  a) we have a manager who I don't rate and whose tactics I despise b) most of our players are terrible c) the owner has put the club on life support systems only

Last year I dreaded going to Villa Park, I need a break. I know I'm not going to win supporter of the year but I'm not going to make myself miserable just to tick the box that says 'I was there.'

See you when we're good then.

We don't need to *be* good, I just need to have hope that we *might* be good, or recognise that the club are at least trying to be good.

Let's hope they meet your standards soon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2014, 10:43:09 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Well, if you ignore the Arsenal part, the bit about us mooking around the bargain bins in Poundstretcher is still worth comment.

Yet more proof the disengagement of our owner is now total.

Who'd have thought it, that he'd go from how he used to be to what he is now.
When Randy took over I never thought for a moment that we'd be spending £35M on a player.  But equally I never thought we'd get to the point where we were signing - exclusively - free 30+ has-beens.

I genuinely can't fathom how a man as wealthy as Lerner has let the club get into this position.

Joe Cole - 32 - free
Phillippe Senderos - 29 - free
Kieron Richardson - 29 - undisclosed fee (if/when it goes ahead)

That's pedantic of me I'm sure but so be it, if you can twist facts to make your outrage all the more acceptable then I see no issue with calling you out on it.

As for Lerner, he's already put a fortune into the club, why have you got such a problem with him deciding enough is enough.  Feel free to criticise how that money was used but demanding he dip into his pocket every year is just silly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2014, 10:49:38 PM
Am I too naive to think the following could feasibly play out.  Say someone bids for Vlaar and we say he isn't for sale.  We do so knowing he can walk out for free in a years time.  But we also do so based on a not outlandish assumption that by this time next year we have been sold to owners with investment.  At that time it is perfectly feasible that Vlaar would see ambition again and choose to stay or, more feasibly we would have funds for a better quality replacement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 10:50:46 PM
I know us fans of avfc are all a bit close to the current "situation" , but if you just pause for a moment, take a step back and absorb what's going on, the club is an absolute shambles and from the outside looking in you'd guarantee it's just a ticking time bomb now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Quote from: dekko on July 10, 2014, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

You'll stop watching the team, fair enough.  Any chance you'll stop posting too?

When you are castigated for being too negative in these circumstances, it probably is time to quit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2014, 10:56:01 PM
The time to panic will be at the end of the window not now. Signing experienced free agents isn't ideal but isn't the end of the world either. We're not weaker because of it, just not significantly stronger. If this is all we've done by August 31st there is every reason to be worried. However never have we gone a transfer window not having spent anything on transfer fees and not for a second do I believe it will happen this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 10, 2014, 10:43:09 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Well, if you ignore the Arsenal part, the bit about us mooking around the bargain bins in Poundstretcher is still worth comment.

Yet more proof the disengagement of our owner is now total.

Who'd have thought it, that he'd go from how he used to be to what he is now.
When Randy took over I never thought for a moment that we'd be spending £35M on a player.  But equally I never thought we'd get to the point where we were signing - exclusively - free 30+ has-beens.

I genuinely can't fathom how a man as wealthy as Lerner has let the club get into this position.

Joe Cole - 32 - free
Phillippe Senderos - 29 - free
Kieron Richardson - 29 - undisclosed fee (if/when it goes ahead)

That's pedantic of me I'm sure but so be it, if you can twist facts to make your outrage all the more acceptable then I see no issue with calling you out on it.

As for Lerner, he's already put a fortune into the club, why have you got such a problem with him deciding enough is enough.  Feel free to criticise how that money was used but demanding he dip into his pocket every year is just silly.
I have a problem with him deciding enough is enough because he is almost certainly more minted than every season ticket holder put together - more money than any human being could ever need - and yet is running the club on the cheap to save himself money and as a consequence the club has plummeted down the table.  As paulie says, his disengagement is total.  I wouldn't consider my reaction to that as 'outrage'; and even if it is, it's justified.

And, okay, you've got me bang to rights: Senderos and Richardson are currently 29 (although both will turn 30 before the end of the season) but it's not really "twisting the facts" is it?  I'm not sure justified criticism is worthy of such a shrill reaction.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdward on July 10, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist

This is where our players will be coming from.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 10, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 10:50:46 PM
I know us fans of avfc are all a bit close to the current "situation" , but if you just pause for a moment, take a step back and absorb what's going on, the club is an absolute shambles and from the outside looking in you'd guarantee it's just a ticking time bomb now.


when the going gets tough the tough get going

(on a related note I used to work with Billy Oceans brother in law)

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 10, 2014, 10:43:09 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 09:34:57 PM
Well, if you ignore the Arsenal part, the bit about us mooking around the bargain bins in Poundstretcher is still worth comment.

Yet more proof the disengagement of our owner is now total.

Who'd have thought it, that he'd go from how he used to be to what he is now.
When Randy took over I never thought for a moment that we'd be spending £35M on a player.  But equally I never thought we'd get to the point where we were signing - exclusively - free 30+ has-beens.

I genuinely can't fathom how a man as wealthy as Lerner has let the club get into this position.

Joe Cole - 32 - free
Phillippe Senderos - 29 - free
Kieron Richardson - 29 - undisclosed fee (if/when it goes ahead)

That's pedantic of me I'm sure but so be it, if you can twist facts to make your outrage all the more acceptable then I see no issue with calling you out on it.

As for Lerner, he's already put a fortune into the club, why have you got such a problem with him deciding enough is enough.  Feel free to criticise how that money was used but demanding he dip into his pocket every year is just silly.
I have a problem with him deciding enough is enough because he is almost certainly more minted than every season ticket holder put together - more money than any human being could ever need - and yet is running the club on the cheap to save himself money and as a consequence the club has plummeted down the table.  As paulie says, his disengagement is total.  I wouldn't consider my reaction to that as 'outrage'; and even if it is, it's justified.

And, okay, you've got me bang to rights: Senderos and Richardson are currently 29 (although both will turn 30 before the end of the season) but it's not really "twisting the facts" is it?  I'm not sure justified criticism is worthy of such a shrill reaction.   

He's also put more money into the club than every supporter put together, including a fair chunk over the past two, supposedly "totally disengaged" years. I fail to see what's so outrageous about the fact that he doesn't want to spend further vast sums. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdward on July 10, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist

This is where our players will be coming from.
Luke Young, Carlos Cuellar,  Gareth Barry all available.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:01:20 PM
He's also put more money into the club than every supporter put together, including a fair chunk over the past two, supposedly "totally disengaged" years. I fail to see what's so outrageous about the fact that he doesn't want to spend further vast sums.
Who's asking for "further vast sums"?  Nobody.  That's what we need but no-one's asking for it, much less expecting it.

I fail to see what's so unreasonable about asking why an inordinately wealthy man is running the club on the cheap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:01:20 PM
He's also put more money into the club than every supporter put together, including a fair chunk over the past two, supposedly "totally disengaged" years. I fail to see what's so outrageous about the fact that he doesn't want to spend further vast sums.
Who's asking for "further vast sums"?  Nobody.  That's what we need but no-one's asking for it, much less expecting it.

I fail to see what's so unreasonable about asking why an inordinately wealthy man is running the club on the cheap.

And I fail to see what's unreasonable about expecting a football club to survive without having to go cap in hand to the Bank of Owner every year, racking up bigger and bigger debts in the process until you end up like Rangers or Portsmouth. It's his money, to spend how he sees fit. It might not seem fair to you, but life's a bitch. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
It's not so much "not spending further vast sums", it looks very much like "spending considerably less than the TV money alone"

We don't exist in isolation, other clubs will be spending a great chunk of their TV money, yet we look increasingly like we are going to spend hardly any of it - despite the squad having been proven to be woefully inadequate last season.

I totally understand he's lost interest - a lot of us spotted that before we got the final "Shummanite" confirmation - the problem is, he's lost interest to the point that he's only prepared to do the absolute bare minimum to keep us in the league.

It is basically back where we were with Doug in 2006, except in 2006 it was more about "we haven't got the money" whereas now it is about "we don't want to spend the money".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:01:20 PM
He's also put more money into the club than every supporter put together, including a fair chunk over the past two, supposedly "totally disengaged" years. I fail to see what's so outrageous about the fact that he doesn't want to spend further vast sums.
Who's asking for "further vast sums"?  Nobody.  That's what we need but no-one's asking for it, much less expecting it.

I fail to see what's so unreasonable about asking why an inordinately wealthy man is running the club on the cheap.

And I fail to see what's unreasonable about expecting a football club to survive without having to go cap in hand to the Bank of Owner every year, racking up bigger and bigger debts in the process until you end up like Rangers or Portsmouth. It's his money, to spend how he sees fit. It might not seem fair to you, but life's a bitch. 

There will be 65m TV money for the bottom placed club this season.

How about spending a bit of that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 10, 2014, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on July 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I wonder what our season ticket sales are now compared to say, the summer after we signed Carew and Young in January? I don't know a single person that has renewed.

Hopefully in 5 years time we'll be a proper club again and visiting fans will sing 'where were you when you were shit?' at us.

Not watching, in your case.

Indeed. Although I have been there for the last three seasons, when we were also shit. Only these remarkable circumstances have pushed me over the edge.

your no different than Randy
he started off all excited and proud now he's had enough and wants to get out,
your both in the same boat in a roundabout way, both not going because your fed up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2014, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist

This is where our players will be coming from.
Luke Young, Carlos Cuellar,  Gareth Barry all available.

I'd be happy with Carlos as sub
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist

This is where our players will be coming from.
Luke Young, Carlos Cuellar,  Gareth Barry all available.

Barry signed for Everton today.

That's permanently skint, owner-wants-out Everton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Genuine question: how much money has Randy put into the club? I thought that it was all interest-free loans that he either has recouped, or will do?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdward on July 10, 2014, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist

This is where our players will be coming from.
Luke Young, Carlos Cuellar,  Gareth Barry all available. Edit Gareth Barry not available, but Shane Lowry is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 11:13:35 PM
So if he doesn't spend the TV money, where's that going once the bills have been paid ? As there should be about £40m leftover if my adding up is right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Genuine question: how much money has Randy out into the club? I thought that it was all interest-free loans that he either has recouped, or will do?

There's no getting away from the fact he's stuck loads of money in that the's never going to see again.

Whether that justifies playing fast and loose with our top flight status whilst turning us into one of the more pointless, bottom feeding, "just stay up" clubs in the top flight is another matter.

Basically, we were a rich man's play thing. Then the rich man got bored, we tried to pretend he hadn't, but he had. Now it looks more and more like he's really not that bothered and we're making the sort of signings that make Albion look like Barcelona.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
It's not so much "not spending further vast sums", it looks very much like "spending considerably less than the TV money alone"

We don't exist in isolation, other clubs will be spending a great chunk of their TV money, yet we look increasingly like we are going to spend hardly any of it - despite the squad having been proven to be woefully inadequate last season.

I totally understand he's lost interest - a lot of us spotted that before we got the final "Shummanite" confirmation - the problem is, he's lost interest to the point that he's only prepared to do the absolute bare minimum to keep us in the league.

It is basically back where we were with Doug in 2006, except in 2006 it was more about "we haven't got the money" whereas now it is about "we don't want to spend the money".

The TV money isn't going to be the great lottery win it might appear; for a start every expense involved with running a football club will go up as a result. Let's see how many other clubs blow massive chunks of it before we begin to compare us so unfavourably.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2014, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Genuine question: how much money has Randy out into the club? I thought that it was all interest-free loans that he either has recouped, or will do?

There's no getting away from the fact he's stuck loads of money in that the's never going to see again.

Whether that justifies playing fast and loose with our top flight status whilst turning us into one of the more pointless, bottom feeding, "just stay up" clubs in the top flight is another matter.

Basically, we were a rich man's play thing. Then the rich man got bored, we tried to pretend he hadn't, but he had. Now it looks more and more like he's really not that bothered and we're making the sort of signings that make Albion look like Barcelona.

I would sooner have Richardson than baird
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
And I fail to see what's unreasonable about expecting a football club to survive without having to go cap in hand to the Bank of Owner every year, racking up bigger and bigger debts in the process until you end up like Rangers or Portsmouth. It's his money, to spend how he sees fit. It might not seem fair to you, but life's a bitch.
It's almost as if you don't want him to spend money or don't see any reason for him to do so or don't believe he can.

Presumably the irony of you criticising on another thread "Tarquin and Algernon" paying for expensive season tickets and never going to games when we have a hugely privileged multi-millionaire treating the club like last year's Christmas present (and never going to games) is lost on you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
It's not so much "not spending further vast sums", it looks very much like "spending considerably less than the TV money alone"

We don't exist in isolation, other clubs will be spending a great chunk of their TV money, yet we look increasingly like we are going to spend hardly any of it - despite the squad having been proven to be woefully inadequate last season.

I totally understand he's lost interest - a lot of us spotted that before we got the final "Shummanite" confirmation - the problem is, he's lost interest to the point that he's only prepared to do the absolute bare minimum to keep us in the league.

It is basically back where we were with Doug in 2006, except in 2006 it was more about "we haven't got the money" whereas now it is about "we don't want to spend the money".

The TV money isn't going to be the great lottery win it might appear; for a start every expense involved with running a football club will go up as a result. Let's see how many other clubs blow massive chunks of it before we begin to compare us so unfavourably.

Well, we haven't blown any chunks of it yet, so I'm not expecting much on that front.

Honest question, is there anyone here who, had they been told at the end of last season, that by this point in the summer, we'd have signed Joe Cole, Senderos and Kieran Richardson, would have either believed it or been happy with it?

I see articles like those "10m including wages" thing, and I think, no, that can't be true.

And then we go and make signings like this and I think, you know, actually it looks like they could quite easily be true.

There has never been more money floating around PL football, and we've chosen that point to spend as little as possible.

He's a nice bloke, I think he had good intentions, but the rapidity with which he has lost interest in the club reflects dreadfully on him, I'm afraid. We made excuses for him when he'd go entire seasons without showing up - he's got a son in school, he's getting divorced, all that - but ultimately, it turns out he's lost all interest in the club.

I can't see how we can put a positive spin on that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Genuine question: how much money has Randy out into the club? I thought that it was all interest-free loans that he either has recouped, or will do?

There's no getting away from the fact he's stuck loads of money in that the's never going to see again.

Whether that justifies playing fast and loose with our top flight status whilst turning us into one of the more pointless, bottom feeding, "just stay up" clubs in the top flight is another matter.

Basically, we were a rich man's play thing. Then the rich man got bored, we tried to pretend he hadn't, but he had. Now it looks more and more like he's really not that bothered and we're making the sort of signings that make Albion look like Barcelona.

But won't he get that money back? He'll certainly make a profit on what he paid for the club. And where is all the revenue going now of not to pay back some of these loans?

And besides, he told us all he was just a "custodian" and realised his place in the club's ongoing history. I appreciate that he now wants out but I still expected more of a handover than a cut- and-run.

What was that wanky phrase that Gwyneth Paltrow used a few weeks ago- "consciously uncoupling"? Something along those lines would have been nice, Randy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DB on July 10, 2014, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
It's not so much "not spending further vast sums", it looks very much like "spending considerably less than the TV money alone"

We don't exist in isolation, other clubs will be spending a great chunk of their TV money, yet we look increasingly like we are going to spend hardly any of it - despite the squad having been proven to be woefully inadequate last season.

I totally understand he's lost interest - a lot of us spotted that before we got the final "Shummanite" confirmation - the problem is, he's lost interest to the point that he's only prepared to do the absolute bare minimum to keep us in the league.

It is basically back where we were with Doug in 2006, except in 2006 it was more about "we haven't got the money" whereas now it is about "we don't want to spend the money".

The TV money isn't going to be the great lottery win it might appear; for a start every expense involved with running a football club will go up as a result. Let's see how many other clubs blow massive chunks of it before we begin to compare us so unfavourably.

That TV money will just be used by agents to get more wages for their players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
No, he won't get all his money back, there's no chance of that.

It's not about what he paid for the club, it's about the money he's wasted in the meantime (largely due to his own incompetence).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on July 10, 2014, 11:23:00 PM
We know what we'll be getting with these experienced players, rather than taking risks on unknown players from abroad or the lower leagues. Some will argue that they are not good enough but at least we know they have performed at that level. As a team we've been too naive for too long, they may not fill us with excitement but with 2-3 signings further signings we might just scrape through the season again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
I don't blame Randy for deciding not to keep spunking a fortune on us and wanting to leave, but i'm pretty sure he/we can afford £10m+ this summer. Which I still expect us to spend. Hopefully. Possibly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
And I fail to see what's unreasonable about expecting a football club to survive without having to go cap in hand to the Bank of Owner every year, racking up bigger and bigger debts in the process until you end up like Rangers or Portsmouth. It's his money, to spend how he sees fit. It might not seem fair to you, but life's a bitch.
It's almost as if you don't want him to spend money or don't see any reason for him to do so or don't believe he can.

Presumably the irony of you criticising on another thread "Tarquin and Algernon" paying for expensive season tickets and never going to games when we have a hugely privileged multi-millionaire treating the club like last year's Christmas present (and never going to games) is lost on you.

As they're two completely separate topics then yes, the irony which only exists in your mind is obviously lost on me. While you're explaining it you can also tell me where I've said anything like you claim in that first sentence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
No, he won't get all his money back, there's no chance of that.

It's not about what he paid for the club, it's about the money he's wasted in the meantime (largely due to his own incompetence).
Quite.  Why we should be so cap-doffingly grateful to a multi-millionaire wasting however much money he has wasted is a bit of a puzzler.  If he was to say, 'Fair cop, I've really nawsed things up since O'Neill left but I'm going to do everything I can to put it right' then I'd be grateful.  But what he's actually said is, 'Fuck this, I'm going to claw back as much money as I can, regardless of the effect on the team, and then I'm going home.'
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
No, he won't get all his money back, there's no chance of that.

It's not about what he paid for the club, it's about the money he's wasted in the meantime (largely due to his own incompetence).

I still don't get this. Has he actually just handed over his own cash to the club then? My understanding was that all of the cash he'd but into the club was in the form of loans.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:27:29 PM
Quote from: DB on July 10, 2014, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
It's not so much "not spending further vast sums", it looks very much like "spending considerably less than the TV money alone"

We don't exist in isolation, other clubs will be spending a great chunk of their TV money, yet we look increasingly like we are going to spend hardly any of it - despite the squad having been proven to be woefully inadequate last season.

I totally understand he's lost interest - a lot of us spotted that before we got the final "Shummanite" confirmation - the problem is, he's lost interest to the point that he's only prepared to do the absolute bare minimum to keep us in the league.

It is basically back where we were with Doug in 2006, except in 2006 it was more about "we haven't got the money" whereas now it is about "we don't want to spend the money".

The TV money isn't going to be the great lottery win it might appear; for a start every expense involved with running a football club will go up as a result. Let's see how many other clubs blow massive chunks of it before we begin to compare us so unfavourably.

That TV money will just be used by agents to get more wages for their players.

I am sure it will end up in higher wages for a lot of players, but that certainly won't account for all the TV money. It certainly won't for the sort of players we're signing.

We've got a squad in dreadful need of significant improvement, one which scraped survival last season, and thus far we're signing utter dross, the sort of signings we'd have laughed at if Albion had made them, and meanwhile two of our three best players from last season are about to enter the final year of their contract.

Oh, and we've got a manager who has the confidence of absolutely nobody, a chairman who seems to think engaging with his responsibility means making a couple of baffling statements,  the CEO has just fecked off and is being replaced by someone who probably couldn't draw a picture of a football, and we're being hawked around for sale in the desparate hope someone might save us.

These are circumstances we'd have absolutely slaughtered Ellis for.

Ellis had a lot of flaws - a lot of them - and did things I won't forgive him for, but look at him, attending matches when he's judging 150 years old. Lerner will have forgotten us the day after he moves us on.

I genuinely look back and can not believe we've wound up in this mess.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
No, he won't get all his money back, there's no chance of that.

It's not about what he paid for the club, it's about the money he's wasted in the meantime (largely due to his own incompetence).

I still don't get this. Has he actually just handed over his own cash to the club then? My understanding was that all of the cash he'd but into the club was in the form of loans.

Loans which he has written off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
It's not so much "not spending further vast sums", it looks very much like "spending considerably less than the TV money alone"

We don't exist in isolation, other clubs will be spending a great chunk of their TV money, yet we look increasingly like we are going to spend hardly any of it - despite the squad having been proven to be woefully inadequate last season.

I totally understand he's lost interest - a lot of us spotted that before we got the final "Shummanite" confirmation - the problem is, he's lost interest to the point that he's only prepared to do the absolute bare minimum to keep us in the league.

It is basically back where we were with Doug in 2006, except in 2006 it was more about "we haven't got the money" whereas now it is about "we don't want to spend the money".

The TV money isn't going to be the great lottery win it might appear; for a start every expense involved with running a football club will go up as a result. Let's see how many other clubs blow massive chunks of it before we begin to compare us so unfavourably.

Well, we haven't blown any chunks of it yet, so I'm not expecting much on that front.

Honest question, is there anyone here who, had they been told at the end of last season, that by this point in the summer, we'd have signed Joe Cole, Senderos and Kieran Richardson, would have either believed it or been happy with it?

I see articles like those "10m including wages" thing, and I think, no, that can't be true.

And then we go and make signings like this and I think, you know, actually it looks like they could quite easily be true.

There has never been more money floating around PL football, and we've chosen that point to spend as little as possible.

He's a nice bloke, I think he had good intentions, but the rapidity with which he has lost interest in the club reflects dreadfully on him, I'm afraid. We made excuses for him when he'd go entire seasons without showing up - he's got a son in school, he's getting divorced, all that - but ultimately, it turns out he's lost all interest in the club.

I can't see how we can put a positive spin on that.

Nobody's saying it's ideal, or trying to put a positive anything on it. Yes he has probably lost interest, but that's not the argument. It would be wonderful if we could find £30 million or whatever, but if it isn't there - and the TV money will in all probability reduce losses at most clubs rather than be available for investment - it can't be spent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
And I fail to see what's unreasonable about expecting a football club to survive without having to go cap in hand to the Bank of Owner every year, racking up bigger and bigger debts in the process until you end up like Rangers or Portsmouth. It's his money, to spend how he sees fit. It might not seem fair to you, but life's a bitch.
It's almost as if you don't want him to spend money or don't see any reason for him to do so or don't believe he can.

Presumably the irony of you criticising on another thread "Tarquin and Algernon" paying for expensive season tickets and never going to games when we have a hugely privileged multi-millionaire treating the club like last year's Christmas present (and never going to games) is lost on you.

As they're two completely separate topics then yes, the irony which only exists in your mind is obviously lost on me. While you're explaining it you can also tell me where I've said anything like you claim in that first sentence.
You don't see the irony in making sneering remarks about wealthy fans not going to games and then defending a multi-millionaire's right to keep his hands in his pockets while showing absolutely zero interest in the club? Seriously?

Read that first sentence back and you'll see I wrote 'It's almost as if...'  That's the impression you give with what you write.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Nobody's saying it's ideal, or trying to put a positive anything on it. Yes he has probably lost interest, but that's not the argument. It would be wonderful if we could find £30 million or whatever, but if it isn't there - and the TV money will in all probability reduce losses at most clubs rather than be available for investment - it can't be spent.
It is there, he just doesn't want to spend it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 10, 2014, 11:30:36 PM
I can't understand why Randy Lerner think he is poor, I mean he sold Cleveland Browns for 1 billion dollars to Jimmy Haslam. So there should be enough money to reinvest if he spend say 100 millions dollars.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:30:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
No, he won't get all his money back, there's no chance of that.

It's not about what he paid for the club, it's about the money he's wasted in the meantime (largely due to his own incompetence).

I still don't get this. Has he actually just handed over his own cash to the club then? My understanding was that all of the cash he'd but into the club was in the form of loans.

Loans which he has written off.

But perhaps incorporated into the asking price of the club? I don't know, I just find if hard to believe that he'll be walking away out of pocket in any way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:31:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:27:29 PM
I am sure it will end up in higher wages for a lot of players, but that certainly won't account for all the TV money. It certainly won't for the sort of players we're signing.

We've got a squad in dreadful need of significant improvement, one which scraped survival last season, and thus far we're signing utter dross, the sort of signings we'd have laughed at if Albion had made them, and meanwhile two of our three best players from last season are about to enter the final year of their contract.

Oh, and we've got a manager who has the confidence of absolutely nobody, a chairman who seems to think engaging with his responsibility means making a couple of baffling statements,  the CEO has just fecked off and is being replaced by someone who probably couldn't draw a picture of a football, and we're being hawked around for sale in the desparate hope someone might save us.

These are circumstances we'd have absolutely slaughtered Ellis for.

Ellis had a lot of flaws - a lot of them - and did things I won't forgive him for, but look at him, attending matches when he's judging 150 years old. Lerner will have forgotten us the day after he moves us on.

I genuinely look back and can not believe we've wound up in this mess.
'Tis but a flesh wound.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for £30m, but some money for half decent players might be an idea? And as for it not being there, we'll pick up at least £65m from television rights alone next season, yet we're still prepared to have a fourth season of risking our top flight status by not spending?

As for TV money reducing losses rather than being spendable - last year, they told us triumphantly that we were self sustaining and breaking even - so how does that fit in with coining in so much money on TV rights and not actually spending anything?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for £30m, but some money for half decent players might be an idea? And as for it not being there, we'll pick up at least £65m from television rights alone next season, yet we're still prepared to have a fourth season of risking our top flight status by not spending?

As for TV money reducing losses rather than being spendable - last year, they told us triumphantly that we were self sustaining and breaking even - so how does that fit in with coining in so much money on TV rights and not actually spending anything?

Most of it has gone on replacing everything Grant Holt sat on and broke*



*Obligatory Fat Grant joke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Go
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2014, 11:36:28 PM
As I said at the time, taking Lescott on a free at £45k and paying £2m for Hoolahan on £30k should have been well within our reach and I steadfastly refuse to believe that we didn't sign them because either we didn't want them or they didn't want to come.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for £30m, but some money for half decent players might be an idea? And as for it not being there, we'll pick up at least £65m from television rights alone next season, yet we're still prepared to have a fourth season of risking our top flight status by not spending?

As for TV money reducing losses rather than being spendable - last year, they told us triumphantly that we were self sustaining and breaking even - so how does that fit in with coining in so much money on TV rights and not actually spending anything?

Most of it has gone on replacing everything Grant Holt sat on and broke*



*Obligatory Fat Grant joke

Ha ha, and settling his unpaid tab at Big John's
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
And I fail to see what's unreasonable about expecting a football club to survive without having to go cap in hand to the Bank of Owner every year, racking up bigger and bigger debts in the process until you end up like Rangers or Portsmouth. It's his money, to spend how he sees fit. It might not seem fair to you, but life's a bitch.
It's almost as if you don't want him to spend money or don't see any reason for him to do so or don't believe he can.

Presumably the irony of you criticising on another thread "Tarquin and Algernon" paying for expensive season tickets and never going to games when we have a hugely privileged multi-millionaire treating the club like last year's Christmas present (and never going to games) is lost on you.

As they're two completely separate topics then yes, the irony which only exists in your mind is obviously lost on me. While you're explaining it you can also tell me where I've said anything like you claim in that first sentence.
You don't see the irony in making sneering remarks about wealthy fans not going to games and then defending a multi-millionaire's right to keep his hands in his pockets while showing absolutely zero interest in the club? Seriously?

Read that first sentence back and you'll see I wrote 'It's almost as if...'  That's the impression you give with what you write.

No I don't understand the irony in "sneering" (a tediously unoriginal insult, but I expect no less) about people who regard football as one of several expensive leisure interests and can afford to treat it as such, and saying that the Villa shouldn't expect to rely on regular handouts from the club's owner, regardless of how many games he attends. I read that sentence again. You were wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for £30m, but some money for half decent players might be an idea? And as for it not being there, we'll pick up at least £65m from television rights alone next season, yet we're still prepared to have a fourth season of risking our top flight status by not spending?

As for TV money reducing losses rather than being spendable - last year, they told us triumphantly that we were self sustaining and breaking even - so how does that fit in with coining in so much money on TV rights and not actually spending anything?

We can hope, that because the window is not yet over we have some good news coming before it closes. I hold out the hope that Randy is not a stupid man and will not roll the dice with our survival and his asset's value with even worse odds than last season.

Otherwise, yeah. Grim times for us.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:37:35 PM
And don't forget all the balls lost when Tonev take shooting practice. Them balls ain't no 99p placcy effort from the local garage*




*Obligatory Tonev can't hit a barn door joke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
No I don't understand the irony in "sneering" (a tediously unoriginal insult, but I expect no less) about people who regard football as one of several expensive leisure interests and can afford to treat it as such, and saying that the Villa shouldn't expect to rely on regular handouts from the club's owner, regardless of how many games he attends. I read that sentence again. You were wrong.
That is exactly what Lerner's attitude to this club has been.  Can you not see that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for £30m, but some money for half decent players might be an idea? And as for it not being there, we'll pick up at least £65m from television rights alone next season, yet we're still prepared to have a fourth season of risking our top flight status by not spending?

As for TV money reducing losses rather than being spendable - last year, they told us triumphantly that we were self sustaining and breaking even - so how does that fit in with coining in so much money on TV rights and not actually spending anything?

We can hope, that because the window is not yet over we have some good news coming before it closes. I hold out the hope that Randy is not a stupid man and will not roll the dice with our survival and his asset's value with even worse odds than last season.

Otherwise, yeah. Grim times for us.



Unfortunately, there's a bit of evidence to suggest that, where football is concerned, he is a bit stupid (harsh though that word is). This is the man who actually thought appointing McLeish might work out
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2014, 11:41:54 PM
I'd love to see a draft of this years accounts.  To evidence the self sustaining referred to.  Normally businesses are valued on a factor of ebitda aren't they?  If he invests too much more money it would effect this figure presumably so the club would be worth a lot less.

Not saying I'm right but I'm trying to offer reasons for the thriftiness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:44:13 PM
This was Robin Russell, our CFO CEO Manager Right Back Acting CEO fourth months ago:

Quote
“The 2012-13 accounts effectively close a chapter on a period of heavy losses.

“As we near the end of the 2013-14 season, the club is financially self-sufficient, compliant with both UEFA’s and the Premier League’s Financial Fair Play requirements and we look forward to a period of continued growth and progress on and off the pitch.”

So, four months ago they were telling us we've cleared our debts, we're self sufficient, clean slate.

And now, having just survived relegation - again - whilst we stand to pick up at the very least £65m next season, just from the television revenue alone, we've gone from shopping around the Poundland end of the market to poking around the bins outside Poundland.

How does that work?

We're self sufficient when it sounds good and makes a decent soundbite, but not in the sense that we're actually going to spend any of the huge amount of cash we'll receive this year even if we finish bottom of the league?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
No I don't understand the irony in "sneering" (a tediously unoriginal insult, but I expect no less) about people who regard football as one of several expensive leisure interests and can afford to treat it as such, and saying that the Villa shouldn't expect to rely on regular handouts from the club's owner, regardless of how many games he attends. I read that sentence again. You were wrong.
That is exactly what Lerner's attitude to this club has been.  Can you not see that?

I have no idea what his attitude has been, and neither have you. There are people on here and elsewhere who are still convinced that he's been earning out of the Villa since 2006 and will walk away in profit. Some think he gave up interest in 2010, others more recently. None of us know the ins and outs of what's going on and therefore it's hard to compare and find ironies in anything.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
Not forgetting of course that its actually 275m across the length of the TV deal.  Assuming we stay up of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:44:13 PM
This was Robin Russell, our CFO CEO Manager Right Back Acting CEO fourth months ago:

Quote
“The 2012-13 accounts effectively close a chapter on a period of heavy losses.

“As we near the end of the 2013-14 season, the club is financially self-sufficient, compliant with both UEFA’s and the Premier League’s Financial Fair Play requirements and we look forward to a period of continued growth and progress on and off the pitch.”

So, four months ago they were telling us we've cleared our debts, we're self sufficient, clean slate.

And now, having just survived relegation - again - whilst we stand to pick up at the very least £65m next season, just from the television revenue alone, we've gone from shopping around the Poundland end of the market to poking around the bins outside Poundland.

How does that work?

We're self sufficient when it sounds good and makes a decent soundbite, but not in the sense that we're actually going to spend any of the huge amount of cash we'll receive this year even if we finish bottom of the league?

I'm no expert, but given the level of debt we still had then, I would doubt that we made enough last season to be out of it now. Football club finances are different to real world, and self-sufficient probably has a different meaning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 10, 2014, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for £30m, but some money for half decent players might be an idea? And as for it not being there, we'll pick up at least £65m from television rights alone next season, yet we're still prepared to have a fourth season of risking our top flight status by not spending?

As for TV money reducing losses rather than being spendable - last year, they told us triumphantly that we were self sustaining and breaking even - so how does that fit in with coining in so much money on TV rights and not actually spending anything?

We can hope, that because the window is not yet over we have some good news coming before it closes. I hold out the hope that Randy is not a stupid man and will not roll the dice with our survival and his asset's value with even worse odds than last season.

Otherwise, yeah. Grim times for us.



Unfortunately, there's a bit of evidence to suggest that, where football is concerned, he is a bit stupid (harsh though that word is). This is the man who actually thought appointing McLeish might work out

Thanks for reminding me :(

Can we pretend that one was all Faulkners fault?


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
I have no idea what his attitude has been, and neither have you. There are people on here and elsewhere who are still convinced that he's been earning out of the Villa since 2006 and will walk away in profit. Some think he gave up interest in 2010, others more recently. None of us know the ins and outs of what's going on and therefore it's hard to compare and find ironies in anything.
We're not in the dark though are we?  It's entirely possible to judge his attitude by the way he has treated the club, particularly over the last three years.  Lerner is the mega-Tarquin.  Tarquinzilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
I have no idea what his attitude has been, and neither have you. There are people on here and elsewhere who are still convinced that he's been earning out of the Villa since 2006 and will walk away in profit. Some think he gave up interest in 2010, others more recently. None of us know the ins and outs of what's going on and therefore it's hard to compare and find ironies in anything.
We're not in the dark though are we?  It's entirely possible to judge his attitude by the way he has treated the club, particularly over the last three years.  Lerner is the mega-Tarquin.  Tarquinzilla!

Have a look at how much he's continued to put in. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
But that was our Chief Financial Officer saying in a press release on the official site that we're now self sustaining.

I don't think a finance professional like him would be speaking in tongues. We either are, or we are not.

Randy wrote off a load of debt at the start of the year. There is no getting away from that, and I am having no truck with the "he's taking money out" people, but they told us that we were now self sufficient.

We have a woefully inadequate squad and four years of struggle under our belts, and are about to be cop for a gigantic amount of money, yet despite all that, we're picking up dross like Cole, Senderos and Richardson on free transfers, with nothing to suggest it is going to get much better than that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
" Aston Villa are readying a move for Crystal Palace forward Marouane Chamakh according to Football Direct News.
Villa Park boss Paul Lambert is keen on landing the Moroccan, who has been in excellent form since moving to Selhurst Park after a decidedly average stint at Arsenal.

Oh how we laughed at this potential signing on the opening page of this thread.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
But that was our Chief Financial Officer saying in a press release on the official site that we're now self sustaining.

I don't think a finance professional like him would be speaking in tongues. We either are, or we are not.

Randy wrote off a load of debt at the start of the year. There is no getting away from that, and I am having no truck with the "he's taking money out" people, but they told us that we were now self sufficient.

We have a woefully inadequate squad and four years of struggle under our belts, and are about to be cop for a gigantic amount of money, yet despite all that, we're picking up dross like Cole, Senderos and Richardson on free transfers, with nothing to suggest it is going to get much better than that.

Like I said, it's a different world. Is that breaking even with the debt getting no worse, or making a profit with it reducing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
Even I think Shakatak would be an utterly shit signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Or is self sufficient meaning we can cover the debts without relying on Randy covering it for us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
But that was our Chief Financial Officer saying in a press release on the official site that we're now self sustaining.

I don't think a finance professional like him would be speaking in tongues. We either are, or we are not.

Randy wrote off a load of debt at the start of the year. There is no getting away from that, and I am having no truck with the "he's taking money out" people, but they told us that we were now self sufficient.

We have a woefully inadequate squad and four years of struggle under our belts, and are about to be cop for a gigantic amount of money, yet despite all that, we're picking up dross like Cole, Senderos and Richardson on free transfers, with nothing to suggest it is going to get much better than that.

Like I said, it's a different world. Is that breaking even with the debt getting no worse, or making a profit with it reducing?

I don't think there are that many interpretations of self-sustaining - living on what we earn. Whatever it means, they were promoting it as a positive, hence that press release.

It's hard to find a definition that explains the forthcoming avalanche of television money being paired with an approach to transfers which is more in suiting with Ellis circa 2005.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
Even I think Shakatak would be an utterly shit signing.
How about that Italian lad Mezzoforte?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Have a look at how much he's continued to put in. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
The tables don't lie.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
But that was our Chief Financial Officer saying in a press release on the official site that we're now self sustaining.

I don't think a finance professional like him would be speaking in tongues. We either are, or we are not.

Randy wrote off a load of debt at the start of the year. There is no getting away from that, and I am having no truck with the "he's taking money out" people, but they told us that we were now self sufficient.

We have a woefully inadequate squad and four years of struggle under our belts, and are about to be cop for a gigantic amount of money, yet despite all that, we're picking up dross like Cole, Senderos and Richardson on free transfers, with nothing to suggest it is going to get much better than that.

Like I said, it's a different world. Is that breaking even with the debt getting no worse, or making a profit with it reducing?

I don't think there are that many interpretations of self-sustaining - living on what we earn. Whatever it means, they were promoting it as a positive, hence that press release.

It's hard to find a definition that explains the forthcoming avalanche of television money being paired with an approach to transfers which is more in suiting with Ellis circa 2005.

We've had three different potential definitions already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2014, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
But that was our Chief Financial Officer saying in a press release on the official site that we're now self sustaining.

I don't think a finance professional like him would be speaking in tongues. We either are, or we are not.

Randy wrote off a load of debt at the start of the year. There is no getting away from that, and I am having no truck with the "he's taking money out" people, but they told us that we were now self sufficient.

We have a woefully inadequate squad and four years of struggle under our belts, and are about to be cop for a gigantic amount of money, yet despite all that, we're picking up dross like Cole, Senderos and Richardson on free transfers, with nothing to suggest it is going to get much better than that.

Like I said, it's a different world. Is that breaking even with the debt getting no worse, or making a profit with it reducing?

I don't think there are that many interpretations of self-sustaining - living on what we earn. Whatever it means, they were promoting it as a positive, hence that press release.

It's hard to find a definition that explains the forthcoming avalanche of television money being paired with an approach to transfers which is more in suiting with Ellis circa 2005.

We've had three different potential definitions already.

That doesn't mean they're realistic definitions, though.

They tell us we're self sufficient. They should know, they're running the club.

We stand to cash in from a huge TV money deal, yet we're still amongst the least ambitious clubs in the league regarding signings.

Ultimately, if the definition of self sufficient that they used was not one which put us in a positive financial situation, they wouldn't have been boasting about it in the first place.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 12:04:21 AM
Ultimately, we won't know until the next lot of accounts come out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 12:04:42 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Have a look at how much he's continued to put in. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
The tables don't lie.

How is that in any way a response to how much money Randy has continued to put in. The od saying a fool and his money may apply, but he has still put shed loads in during the past couple of seasons.

When does the TV money actually come to the clubs, and how? I reckon about 15 million will be spent, so am not going to get upset about some freebies giving the squad experience in areas we are weak.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2014, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 12:04:21 AM
Ultimately, we won't know until the next lot of accounts come out.

I disagree.

They told us we're self sufficient. They're running the club. They told us this in a "this is good news" style.

I don't see why we need to wait a year (or however long) to translate what they meant by that. It looks pretty clear to me - how can it be a bad thing?

I don't see how it is possible to marry that with the current not-spending approach we seem to have adopted.

End of last season, pretty much  to a man, we all agreed that there were certain positions in the team where we desperately needed to improve our starting options. Not the "better than our current third choice" stuff we've heard about the signings so far, but players who will improve our starting line up.

Thus far, we've failed to do any of that. Despite the fact our turnover is guaranteed to improve hugely next season even if we fail to earn an extra penny anywhere else across the business.

And here we are, poking around the bargain basement end of the market yet again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2014, 12:13:09 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 12:04:42 AM
How is that in any way a response to how much money Randy has continued to put in. The od saying a fool and his money may apply, but he has still put shed loads in during the past couple of seasons.
My point is that there is one outstanding reason why we have dropped down the table so far and so quickly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Self sufficient means that income is more than or the same as expenditure. It would also suggest that there is no need for external funding. The point is, how much of the increase in revenue is he prepared to spend on players? These 3 signings have added less than £5 mil to the wage bill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 11, 2014, 12:59:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2014, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 12:04:21 AM
Ultimately, we won't know until the next lot of accounts come out.

I disagree.

They told us we're self sufficient. They're running the club. They told us this in a "this is good news" style.

I don't see why we need to wait a year (or however long) to translate what they meant by that. It looks pretty clear to me - how can it be a bad thing?

I don't see how it is possible to marry that with the current not-spending approach we seem to have adopted.

End of last season, pretty much  to a man, we all agreed that there were certain positions in the team where we desperately needed to improve our starting options. Not the "better than our current third choice" stuff we've heard about the signings so far, but players who will improve our starting line up.

Thus far, we've failed to do any of that. Despite the fact our turnover is guaranteed to improve hugely next season even if we fail to earn an extra penny anywhere else across the business.

And here we are, poking around the bargain basement end of the market yet again.

One thing is for sure. CFO's do not bullshit when speaking about finances. They can be held accountable for any misrepresentation. I think we can take as gospel what he said is accurate. But not necessarily complete.

What he said was we were self sufficient going forward but also our loss after tax for last fiscal year increased to 51M. Even taking out exceptional items (like player sales) our loss was 43M

In other words, add in the TV money to our 43M a year loss , assume we have paired back a few extra million in costs and you get to this:

"As we near the end of the 2013-14 season, the Club is financially self-sufficient, compliant with both UEFA's and the Premier League's Financial Fair Play requirements and we look forward to a period of continued growth and progress on and off the pitch."

The bold bit indicates he may have been counting in the new 2014/2015 TV money as part of his self sufficient boast.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2014, 02:22:27 AM
Held accountable by who? I'm no expert so am genuinely interested. As there are no shareholders, as long as we aren't lying to the tax man, and a potential buyer now, they can say any old bollocks to us and the press as long as Randy knows the true state of the club?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 11, 2014, 02:56:21 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
Even I think Shakatak would be an utterly shit signing.
How about that Italian lad Mezzoforte?

I'd throw a Garden Party if we signed him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 11, 2014, 04:48:35 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2014, 02:22:27 AM
Held accountable by who? I'm no expert so am genuinely interested. As there are no shareholders, as long as we aren't lying to the tax man, and a potential buyer now, they can say any old bollocks to us and the press as long as Randy knows the true state of the club?

In the USA , and I assume the UK, CFO's can go to jail if they lie in earnings statements or about earnings in public statements. Usually under conspiracy to commit fraud, in particular his statement was material (it might rustle up interest from a potential buyer under fraudulent information for example) and public and included go forward financial guidance.

That kind of statement is usually prefaced by any public company CFO with a safe harbor statement , private companies have a bit more leeway but still they would never deliberately lie. The reason is CFO's (and other officers actually, but in particular CFO's) can and do alter the value of a company by their financial statements and forecasts, be it public or private.

There is no way a CFO of a 80M+ a year company like Robin Russell would lie about the numbers. But as I said, he could be incomplete, or cherry pick numbers he anted to talk about. But lie? Nah. I do not believe he would do that for a second.



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 11, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
Why can't Lerner just come out and say if there's any money for transfers? It's always just shrouded in secrecy - the club needs more transparency. Instead all you get is endless rumours and counter-rumours amongst the fans & media. A shambolic situation that's just left to fester.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2014, 07:22:50 AM
This is what I don't understand; why are we the only club who seem concerned or interested in being financially self sufficient? Our current peers Hull for example, a tiny club in comparison, seem to have the ability to spend yet we don't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2014, 07:42:59 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2014, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
No I don't understand the irony in "sneering" (a tediously unoriginal insult, but I expect no less) about people who regard football as one of several expensive leisure interests and can afford to treat it as such, and saying that the Villa shouldn't expect to rely on regular handouts from the club's owner, regardless of how many games he attends. I read that sentence again. You were wrong.
That is exactly what Lerner's attitude to this club has been.  Can you not see that?

I have no idea what his attitude has been, and neither have you. There are people on here and elsewhere who are still convinced that he's been earning out of the Villa since 2006 and will walk away in profit. Some think he gave up interest in 2010, others more recently. None of us know the ins and outs of what's going on and therefore it's hard to compare and find ironies in anything.

I've no doubt he was planning on selling by 2010. I was told when Martin left and think time has proved that.
A lot of events since then have badly backfired for him - but that's what happens when you have no grasp of the industry you work in.

I don't feel any sympathy at all for him, but don't deny the money he has thrown away.






Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 08:32:31 AM
I don't dispute Lerner has pumped a lot of money into the club, but now is a time when we really need it and he needs to protect his investment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 08:53:11 AM
The tabloids are amusing with this list of players we're apparently unloading to 'boost funds'. Firstly I don't see why there would be many, if any, takers for those players and secondly they're not exactly going to raise vasts sums either if they do sell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I also pick Richardson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
But how much money has Lerner pumped in? And how much has he written off? I'm not assuming a position on this, because I honestly don't know.

All I know is that he stands to receive at least double what he paid for the club as-and-when he sells. Will this approximate £65m not more-than-cover whatever money he has put into the club? And has he been taking a salary out of the club while he's been here?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 08:53:11 AM
The tabloids are amusing with this list of players we're apparently unloading to 'boost funds'. Firstly I don't see why there would be many, if any, takers for those players and secondly they're not exactly going to raise vasts sums either if they do sell.

We showed a spectacular inability to offload the players we didn't want last season.  If we have any players that we want even less than that bunch I have absolutely zero faith in the club to be able to move them on.

That's what I don't get about those who still think we're going to be spending a bit of money this summer. I make it that we only have 2/3 places left within our 25-man squad, and unless we can move players on, I can't see Randy sanctioning adding to the wage-bill, let alone outlaying on transfer fees.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on July 11, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I also pick Richardson.
I also pick Richardson and so does my wife.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on July 11, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I also pick Richardson.
I also pick Richardson and so does my wife.

I pick Richardson. I also pick senderos above Baker. I guess the point, however, is that I'd have picked Bertrand and Lescott above both of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
But how much money has Lerner pumped in? And how much has he written off? I'm not assuming a position on this, because I honestly don't know.

All I know is that he stands to receive at least double what he paid for the club as-and-when he sells. Will this approximate £65m not more-than-cover whatever money he has put into the club? And has he been taking a salary out of the club while he's been here?

It'll nowhere near cover it and in all seriousness, hasn't the "Does he take money out?" question been answered often enough?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
But how much money has Lerner pumped in? And how much has he written off? I'm not assuming a position on this, because I honestly don't know.

All I know is that he stands to receive at least double what he paid for the club as-and-when he sells. Will this approximate £65m not more-than-cover whatever money he has put into the club? And has he been taking a salary out of the club while he's been here?

It'll nowhere near cover it and in all seriousness, hasn't the "Does he take money out?" question been answered often enough?

If it has I've missed it. You do know you're not obliged to respond to my question if it's too much trouble for you?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on July 11, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I also pick Richardson.
I also pick Richardson and so does my wife.
Good choice Mrs papa lazarou
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on July 11, 2014, 09:18:30 AM
So tell me this; if Stoke, Hull, Sunderland, West Brom (probably our 4 main rivals) bring in new players on free transfers alone and put all of the tv money in the bank does that not make them self sufficient as well? I cant believe any of their player wage outgoings are higher than the tv money/prize money being paid out.

If you are not going to invest to become sustainable, being self sufficient really isnt anything to shout about. On the contrary, it will eventually catch up with you...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
But how much money has Lerner pumped in? And how much has he written off? I'm not assuming a position on this, because I honestly don't know.

All I know is that he stands to receive at least double what he paid for the club as-and-when he sells. Will this approximate £65m not more-than-cover whatever money he has put into the club? And has he been taking a salary out of the club while he's been here?

It'll nowhere near cover it and in all seriousness, hasn't the "Does he take money out?" question been answered often enough?

If it has I've missed it. You do know you're not obliged to respond to my question if it's too much trouble for you?

He doesn't, and never has, taken a penny out. There was a year when we paid 8 million in management fees to another of his companies but that's it. I'm not sure of the exact figure he's put in but 250 million would be in the rough area.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on July 11, 2014, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on July 11, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I also pick Richardson.
I also pick Richardson and so does my wife.

I pick Richardson and so does our cat and Mrs Johnson at number 34. Ahmed my friendly turf accountant is of the same opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 09:30:01 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
But how much money has Lerner pumped in? And how much has he written off? I'm not assuming a position on this, because I honestly don't know.

All I know is that he stands to receive at least double what he paid for the club as-and-when he sells. Will this approximate £65m not more-than-cover whatever money he has put into the club? And has he been taking a salary out of the club while he's been here?

It'll nowhere near cover it and in all seriousness, hasn't the "Does he take money out?" question been answered often enough?

If it has I've missed it. You do know you're not obliged to respond to my question if it's too much trouble for you?

He doesn't, and never has, taken a penny out. There was a year when we paid 8 million in management fees to another of his companies but that's it. I'm not sure of the exact figure he's put in but 250 million would be in the rough area.

Thanks Dave. I saw from that 2012/13 accounts that our parent company had 'waived' a £90.1m loan and £20.3m from the previous year, but had no idea that it exceeded that at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on July 11, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Now, whilst I don't think we're going to go mad on the transfer front, it's pretty obvious that if you want to tie up some freebies to fill the squad you have to act pretty quickly as they're the first to go. I'd imagine most of the players we've signed so far had offers elsewhere. The squad needed filling, especially with players who had played at this level before and with the current constraints meant we had to act and fast or lose out. I'm hoping that there are a few more aesthetically pleasing signings in the pipeline, which I'm sure won't be big enough to satisfy some who seem to forget our current status, but might appease a few. Imagine putting your house up for sale, you wouldn't pay for an extension would you? However, you might paint the skirtings and patch the fence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2014, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 11, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
Why can't Lerner just come out and say if there's any money for transfers? It's always just shrouded in secrecy - the club needs more transparency. Instead all you get is endless rumours and counter-rumours amongst the fans & media. A shambolic situation that's just left to fester.

I'd have no problem with him doing that but then people would want to know how much and the rumours would still continue anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2014, 09:37:45 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 11, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Now, whilst I don't think we're going to go mad on the transfer front, it's pretty obvious that if you want to tie up some freebies to fill the squad you have to act pretty quickly as they're the first to go. I'd imagine most of the players we've signed so far had offers elsewhere. The squad needed filling, especially with players who had played at this level before and with the current constraints meant we had to act and fast or lose out. I'm hoping that there are a few more aesthetically pleasing signings in the pipeline, which I'm sure won't be big enough to satisfy some who seem to forget our current status, but might appease a few. Imagine putting your house up for sale, you wouldn't pay for an extension would you? However, you might paint the skirtings and patch the fence.

This is what i've been thinking. If he's not planning on spending very much, maybe a takeover is nearer than we think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on July 11, 2014, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on July 11, 2014, 09:18:30 AM
So tell me this; if Stoke, Hull, Sunderland, West Brom (probably our 4 main rivals) bring in new players on free transfers alone and put all of the tv money in the bank does that not make them self sufficient as well? I cant believe any of their player wage outgoings are higher than the tv money/prize money being paid out.

If you are not going to invest to become sustainable, being self sufficient really isnt anything to shout about. On the contrary, it will eventually catch up with you...


And who have these clubs signed that make you sit up and take note? Ince? A young player, unproven at this level. (Haven't we already been there? Lescott? Proven, but also not played much in the last season or so and getting on a bit. Not going to carry a defence on his own with Baird as his partner. These teams are hardly splashing the cash on top players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 09:41:20 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 11, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Now, whilst I don't think we're going to go mad on the transfer front, it's pretty obvious that if you want to tie up some freebies to fill the squad you have to act pretty quickly as they're the first to go. I'd imagine most of the players we've signed so far had offers elsewhere. The squad needed filling, especially with players who had played at this level before and with the current constraints meant we had to act and fast or lose out. I'm hoping that there are a few more aesthetically pleasing signings in the pipeline, which I'm sure won't be big enough to satisfy some who seem to forget our current status, but might appease a few. Imagine putting your house up for sale, you wouldn't pay for an extension would you? However, you might paint the skirtings and patch the fence.

Yes but unfortunately at the moment it's more like the roof is caving in and we're not doing much about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 11, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

Totally agree. Nominal fee, still a few years and better than we have. People need to realise our level now, its all about consolidation. Hopefully under a new owner things may be different but even thats not guranteed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 11, 2014, 10:25:40 AM
Back to Richardson - according to the Daily Mail via BBC Gossip he's having a medical today and turned down three others to join us.  Having though about it overnight, it's not what I was hoping for, but as a cheap signing it is not too bad and does improve the squad, particularly on our weak LHS.  Maybe we are saving the quality for centre mid!!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 11, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 10, 2014, 03:56:13 PM
On a positive it's better than the wreckless approach MON took.

Curtis Davies £10m or Swiss Phil - free
Stephen Warnock £8m or Kieran Richardson - free
Habib Beye £3m or Joe Cole - free

Linking those deals is really probmatic. 

To start off with the state of the club is very different now than during the MON days.  Fact is O'Neill was given more freedom to spend, and no one here would denay that he over spent, but when you look at the promise of Davies at the time (he is finally starting to come into his own), then I think that one seemed a fair gamble so I would have him over Senderoes personally.  Warnock was a decent buy who we paid too much for, so considering it is on a free maybe go with Richardson on that one.  Beye was a bad signing, but he certainly looked good at Newcastle, and nowadays £3m is like pocket money.

But like I said those were different times, and the fact remains under MON we became a top six side who could have done more, and had the money to spend, but now we are in the same boat as Wigan had been before going down so are looking to cut costs and are in the market for a different kind of player. 

Back to Richardson I think its a decent signing, he works hard, has decent skill, experience and like others have said can play in a number of positions.  It just that I don't know if he is going to open up defences, or give the service to the strikers which we need, but oddly it maybe our best signing of the summer so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Boz on July 11, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
" Aston Villa are readying a move for Crystal Palace forward Marouane Chamakh according to Football Direct News.
Villa Park boss Paul Lambert is keen on landing the Moroccan, who has been in excellent form since moving to Selhurst Park after a decidedly average stint at Arsenal.

Oh how we laughed at this potential signing on the opening page of this thread.

Thank the Lord, he's staying at Palace
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 09:41:20 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on July 11, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Now, whilst I don't think we're going to go mad on the transfer front, it's pretty obvious that if you want to tie up some freebies to fill the squad you have to act pretty quickly as they're the first to go. I'd imagine most of the players we've signed so far had offers elsewhere. The squad needed filling, especially with players who had played at this level before and with the current constraints meant we had to act and fast or lose out. I'm hoping that there are a few more aesthetically pleasing signings in the pipeline, which I'm sure won't be big enough to satisfy some who seem to forget our current status, but might appease a few. Imagine putting your house up for sale, you wouldn't pay for an extension would you? However, you might paint the skirtings and patch the fence.

Yes but unfortunately at the moment it's more like the roof is caving in and we're not doing much about it.

the season hasn't started, so the roof isn't caving in. What happened at the back end of last season for any team doesn't automatically carry over because so much changes. Firstly the momentum of the decline from Chelsea onwards has been halted because the season ended. Players will return, there will be a natural level of freshness amongst the squad. Karsa and Culverhouse are not there.

We needed to add some experience and depth and we've done that and should continue to do so. However, whilst the window has not closed, none of us can accurately predict what will happen regarding transfers in or out between now and the end. We've never gone a window without spending any money so why is there this air of doom and gloom suggesting that we are about to do that? We're not. We might not break the bank for anyone, but we won't end the window with the squad as it is today.

Nothing will be decided in June or July or even August or September. A lot will change and I believe including the  ownership. The new owner will want to show his own intent by backing the manager, be it Lambert or someone else in this window or January. While the current situation isn't ideal, it's not going to get us relegated in July.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
We've never gone a window without spending any money so why is there this air of doom and gloom suggesting that we are about to do that?

Quite simply, because we weren't up for sale in the previous windows.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2014, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.

Good enough to stay in the league? I would disagree with that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: gpbarr on July 11, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.

Disagree - it's good enough to stay in this league, as has been proven these last 2 years. That doesn't mean it's a great squad or that we will play entertaining football or that I'm happy about it - but not good enough for this league is just baloney
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 11, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2014, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 11, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
Why can't Lerner just come out and say if there's any money for transfers? It's always just shrouded in secrecy - the club needs more transparency. Instead all you get is endless rumours and counter-rumours amongst the fans & media. A shambolic situation that's just left to fester.


I'd have no problem with him doing that but then people would want to know how much and the rumours would still continue anyway.

All I want to know (I did renew my ST on the very last day - with great hesitation) is there any money for transfers? - I'm not too bothered how much, but if none to made available to PL then that sends out a very poor message. I think fans who pay their ST money year-in-year-out have a right to know. Lerner needs to show his support to PL. The club's PR is a shambles.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2687556/Emile-Heskey-Striker-looking-new-club-England-spell-Australia.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 11, 2014, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 11, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2014, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 11, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
Why can't Lerner just come out and say if there's any money for transfers? It's always just shrouded in secrecy - the club needs more transparency. Instead all you get is endless rumours and counter-rumours amongst the fans & media. A shambolic situation that's just left to fester.


I'd have no problem with him doing that but then people would want to know how much and the rumours would still continue anyway.

All I want to know (I did renew my ST on the very last day - with great hesitation) is there any money for transfers? - I'm not too bothered how much, but if none to made available to PL then that sends out a very poor message. I think fans who pay their ST money year-in-year-out have a right to know. Lerner needs to show his support to PL. The club's PR is a shambles.

Does any club, ever, say how much they have to spend?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2014, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2687556/Emile-Heskey-Striker-looking-new-club-England-spell-Australia.html
Before a load of gags fly in about him possibly returning here, I wonder if Leicester might be tempted for a year? Perhaps a level too high for him now. Maybe the Sty will have him back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on July 11, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.

Disagree - it's good enough to stay in this league, as has been proven these last 2 years. That doesn't mean it's a great squad or that we will play entertaining football or that I'm happy about it - but not good enough for this league is just baloney

Staying up for the past 2 seasons doesn't prove that the squad is good enough to stay-up for the coming season at all. That's 'baloney'. As has been mentioned several times on this thread, Premiership Clubs are likely to be throwing more money around than ever before this summer, at exactly the time that we appear to reigning-in our spending.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on July 11, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.

Disagree - it's good enough to stay in this league, as has been proven these last 2 years. That doesn't mean it's a great squad or that we will play entertaining football or that I'm happy about it - but not good enough for this league is just baloney

Staying up for the past 2 seasons doesn't prove that the squad is good enough to stay-up for the coming season at all. That's 'baloney'. As has been mentioned several times on this thread, Premiership Clubs are likely to be throwing more money around than ever before this summer, at exactly the time that we appear to reigning-in our spending.

Indeed the league doesn't just stand still, if that were the case whoever won the league would just perpetually win it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
We've never gone a window without spending any money so why is there this air of doom and gloom suggesting that we are about to do that?

Quite simply, because we weren't up for sale in the previous windows.

So why has Randy sanctioned any deals at all? He could have just said screw it and he hasn't. Just because we are for sale doesn't mean business has stopped. And again, it's early July. Nothing has ended so it is way too early to determine that what has happened so far is what will be for the balance of the window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
A few points on here:

RussellC - with the initial purchase and subsequent loans and interest write-offs he's put in somewhere between £250-300m.  All the loans have been converted to equity which adds them on to the price of the club but we're looking a sale of somewhere between £150-200m so he's going to be around £100m out of pocket.

Paulie - the self-sufficient stuff - basically the 2013-14 accounts may still record an accounting loss due to Amortisation but the club accounts were in the black by around £6m after the loan to equity write-off and will either stay that way or improve going forward. - I can't remember where I read this but there was a pretty good breakdown on one of the blog sites a couple of months ago.

Whilst I'm directing things at you you made a point of 'signing from the bargain bins with no indication of things getting better' (I'm paraphrasing). It's a good idea to stop for a second and realise that there is also no sign of things not getting better.  During Lerner's time at the club we have a net spend of £20m a season and we've had a statement from him this week basically saying things are going to continue as normal for the time being.  Given that it's fair to assume that we will still have that £20m to spend.

The biggest criticism  of Lambert in the transfer market so far should be that he's tried to spread the money too thinly, and has ended up with a number of gambles but of his more established signings only really KEA hasn't worked out (Okore and Kozak haven't played enough to judge them fairly but both seem suitable for at least a mid-table side). If he has decided this summer to switch to buying players in the £4-8m  bracket but thought he needed a few more than he could afford starting off with a few experienced guys on free or near free transfers and on fairly modest wages is pretty sensible.

Hilts - As per my response to Russell, the reality is owning Aston Villa Will have cost Lerner something like £10-12m a season by the time we're sold, criticise him for how that money has been spent if you like but it's totally unfair to criticise him for not spending.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 11, 2014, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on July 11, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2014, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I also pick Richardson.
I also pick Richardson and so does my wife.

I pick Richardson. I also pick senderos above Baker. I guess the point, however, is that I'd have picked Bertrand and Lescott above both of them.
Pick me! Pick me!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 11, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 11, 2014, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2687556/Emile-Heskey-Striker-looking-new-club-England-spell-Australia.html
Before a load of gags fly in about him possibly returning here, I wonder if Leicester might be tempted for a year? Perhaps a level too high for him now. Maybe the Sty will have him back.


Thought he'd retired to be honest.  I guess for a newly promoted club or mid-level championship he can still do a job.  Always wish Heskey good luck he's one of the good guys.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
We've never gone a window without spending any money so why is there this air of doom and gloom suggesting that we are about to do that?

Quite simply, because we weren't up for sale in the previous windows.

So why has Randy sanctioned any deals at all? He could have just said screw it and he hasn't. Just because we are for sale doesn't mean business has stopped. And again, it's early July. Nothing has ended so it is way too early to determine that what has happened so far is what will be for the balance of the window.

Well I firmly believe that he wouldn't sanction a deal for Lescott and so we had to sign Senderos instead. We also know that Lambert wanted Hoolahan but signed an older player for the same position who was available on a free transfer. I'm also sure that Lambert would have preferred to bu Bertrand than take Richardson for a 'nominal fee.'

A I mentioned earlier - we're rapidly filling up our 25-man squad. We showed last summer that we're very poor at moving-on our unwanted players. It goes without saying that we can only really judge the window once it's finished but, to me, there are absolutely no signs that we're going to make any kind of significant investment or, indeed, any drastic improvement in the quality of the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 02:48:08 PM
paul_e - you're completely right, there's no denying that Lerner has spent during his time at Villa.

However, I do disagree that there's no reason to assume we'll be continuing our average yearly spend this summer, as all of the evidence suggests otherwise to me. Aside from what Lambert's incomings so far suggest, Lerner could quite easily have made reference to "money being available for transfers" in his latest statement, but didn't. In fact, given that it's season-ticket renewal time it would have made great commercial sense to talk this up as much as possible, and he did anything but do that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 02:48:08 PM
paul_e - you're completely right, there's no denying that Lerner has spent during his time at Villa.

However, I do disagree that there's no reason to assume we'll be continuing our average yearly spend this summer, as all of the evidence suggests otherwise to me. Aside from what Lambert's incomings so far suggest, Lerner could quite easily have made reference to "money being available for transfers" in his latest statement, but didn't. In fact, given that it's season-ticket renewal time it would have made great commercial sense to talk this up as much as possible, and he did anything but do that.

My point though was that there is no reason to not assume that either.  No one knows but looking at 3 free/nominal transfers and assuming that we won't spend much when we're not even half way into a 13week transfer window is potentially jumping the gun.

I'm not saying we will spend but I just don't see anything to categorically state that we won't as some people seem quite eager to do.  To me the statement this week was basically a 'business as usual' announcement, so I look on that as an indication that spending will be as usual, even if the actual transfer 'kitty' wasn't addressed.

I admit I'm generally a fairly optimistic person which will serve to add a bias, but given all the pessamistic posters lace everything with a negative slant I don't see a problem with it, the reality is we will spend some money later in this window, it won't be as much as some people want but it will be more than some people expect.

To add a bit of context to this, when Lambert joined he made 2 signings pretty early (KEA and Lowton) but then most of his spending, including his big buy of the summer, was in August. Last year he did a lot of business in June but then his major signing came in August.  I think we'll see the same again with the bigger signing(s) happening later in the window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 11, 2014, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 03:20:00 PM

I admit I'm generally a fairly optimistic person

you cant be coming on here and saying that, and you cant be a true villa fan either!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2014, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Hilts - As per my response to Russell, the reality is owning Aston Villa Will have cost Lerner something like £10-12m a season by the time we're sold, criticise him for how that money has been spent if you like but it's totally unfair to criticise him for not spending.
He isn't spending.  That's perfectly fair criticism.  If I had said 'he has never spent', which neither I nor anyone else on H&V is saying, then you might have a point.  I would prefer it if he spent a small fraction of his inordinate wealth on significantly strengthening the squad so that we're not involved in yet another relegation battle, rather than cutting costs in order to claw back some of the money he has wasted.

To read some of the posts on this thread it's almost as if the bloke is potless and asking for funds for the three or four quality signings we need is going to see him slide into poverty.  The club has slid down the table, the squad is largely crud, we've just about managed to avoid relegation two years in a row and yet some people think it's unreasonable to expect our multi-millionaire owner to address that.

Personally speaking I'm more interested in the team than in ensuring Lerner has £440M rather than £400M in his bank account.*

*Or whatever the figure might be
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Whilst I'm directing things at you you made a point of 'signing from the bargain bins with no indication of things getting better' (I'm paraphrasing). It's a good idea to stop for a second and realise that there is also no sign of things not getting better.  During Lerner's time at the club we have a net spend of £20m a season and we've had a statement from him this week basically saying things are going to continue as normal for the time being.  Given that it's fair to assume that we will still have that £20m to spend.
Can you break that figure down into a season-by-season spend please?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: itbrvilla on July 11, 2014, 04:27:48 PM
Carflos Cuellar..... Don't remember anyone called Carflos?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.

The numbers don't back that up.

The only year we spent significantly more than £20m was 08/09 and the only seasons where we've spent significantly less were under Houllier (who only had 1 January window, during which he broke our transfer record) and Mcleish and both were underpinned by big sales, we actually spent similar amounts to other windows.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2014, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.
Ta for the link.

How long is it going to be before the 'he spent a lot of money in the past' line goes past its expiration date?  What he has spent in the past is relevant only to Lerner.  I don't imagine Paul Lambert is telling him to put his wallet away because he spent a lot of money several years ago.  That money has gone and the current team or manager don't benefit from it at all.  We've signed two players over £5M in the last two seasons, compared with 16 over the previous 6.  The reason we've plummeted down the table is there for all to see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.

The numbers don't back that up.

The only year we spent significantly more than £20m was 08/09 and the only seasons where we've spent significantly less were under Houllier (who only had 1 January window, during which he broke our transfer record) and Mcleish and both were underpinned by big sales, we actually spent similar amounts to other windows.
By those figures (and my shonky maths) we've spent £213M in the 8 seasons since 06/07 and recouped £105M in the same period.  Leaving a balance of £108M.  So how does that work out at an average spend of £20M per season?

The value of the players bought by the club in the last three season is roughly half what it was in the three seasons before that.  So there has been a decline, and a marked one at that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.
There's some dodgy stuff in there - CC in twice; Brad Guzan in twice; Brett Holman doesn't appear to have left us yet.

The net totals aren't too bad from an investment perspective ... until you look at the MON years.
It's easy to see why RL is getting out: horrible returns from the MON years.

If there is no obvious buyer currently and with the TV money kicking in, he ought to be putting in £15-20m now to make the team more interesting for any prospective buyers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2014, 06:31:52 PM
Anyway, back to transfers. It looks like Sylla is off on loan to some turkish club whose name I can't pronounce so hopefully we've got a midfielder coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 11, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
Heard Dharma Sheth on SSN say we are interested in the Ghana winger Christian Atsu on loan...West Ham also interested.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 11, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
Heard Dharma Sheth on SSN say we are interested in the Ghana winger Christian Atsu on loan...West Ham also interested.
IIRC he wasn't too shabby. Yet ANOTHER of the almost inumerable young players Chelsea are hoarding. I'd imagine that happily lend him to us as we're not a direct threat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 11, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
Another rumour that,s beginning to surface  is that we,ve made a bid for Ki Sung-yueng  of Swansea , now that would be a good signing  if the rumour had some credance ...if ! ,  ...................Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 11, 2014, 11:00:21 PM
Atsu would be a good signing. I was thinking about him and us the other day actually.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
Atsu and Ki would both be excellent signings. In fact got them and did not lose anyone, I would be fairly please with the summer. Maybe a strong holding mid in there too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ez on July 11, 2014, 11:07:59 PM
I see Grant Holt's just done a q&a session on twitter. A few villa questions answered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2014, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
Atsu and Ki would both be excellent signings. In fact got them and did not lose anyone, I would be fairly please with the summer. Maybe a strong holding mid in there too.

Ki would be that holding player I think. He really impressed me at VP and looked good for Sunderland in other games aswell. Him and Westwood holding with Delph pushed a bit further forward I'd be happy with.

It could happen, Swansea are well stocked in central midfield and Garry Monk doesn't really have a clue what he's doing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2014, 11:24:33 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2014, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
Atsu and Ki would both be excellent signings. In fact got them and did not lose anyone, I would be fairly please with the summer. Maybe a strong holding mid in there too.

Ki would be that holding player I think. He really impressed me at VP and looked good for Sunderland in other games aswell. Him and Westwood holding with Delph pushed a bit further forward I'd be happy with.

It could happen, Swansea are well stocked in central midfield and Garry Monk doesn't really have a clue what he's doing.

Ha!

That just made me do a massive snort/laugh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 11, 2014, 11:56:07 PM
Quote from: ez on July 11, 2014, 11:07:59 PM
I see Grant Holt's just done a q&a session on twitter. A few villa questions answered.

Must have a look at that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2014, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
Atsu and Ki would both be excellent signings. In fact got them and did not lose anyone, I would be fairly please with the summer. Maybe a strong holding mid in there too.

Ki would be that holding player I think. He really impressed me at VP and looked good for Sunderland in other games aswell. Him and Westwood holding with Delph pushed a bit further forward I'd be happy with.

It could happen, Swansea are well stocked in central midfield and Garry Monk doesn't really have a clue what he's doing.

Ki is more of a attacking midfielder isn't he?  Him or Cole in front of Delph and Westwood is how I'd imagine we would set up.  We do still need that strong, athletic holding midfielder as well though and if there is any money to spend, that is the type of player we should invest it in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2014, 06:09:56 AM
Got bored reading the q&a but this made me laugh..“@hag_wally: @Grantholt31 do you prefer jelly and ice cream or chocolate cake and fresh cream? #AskHolty”. Cake with  cream
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 12, 2014, 06:23:18 AM
For breakfast.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2014, 06:44:58 AM
lunch, afternoon tea, and dinner
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 07:00:35 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
There's already a website for that - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

As for your previous response, what your saying is that he/we should forget about how much of his money he's put in so far and just ask for more.  I don't really care how rich he is it's up to him what of his personal wealth he is willing (and able, remember a lot of his money is tied up in a trust where he isn't the only beneficiary) to put into the club, if he looks at the full accounts for the last 8 years and thinks "fuck this I'm done" then that's fair enough.  We're fans, we'd all love him to keep throwing money at us but it's just not going to happen.

Not wanting to speak for another poster, but I think what's he's pointing to is a decline in spending, year-on-year, with the suggestion being that this does point to there being even further reductions in the outlay this summer.

The numbers don't back that up.

The only year we spent significantly more than £20m was 08/09 and the only seasons where we've spent significantly less were under Houllier (who only had 1 January window, during which he broke our transfer record) and Mcleish and both were underpinned by big sales, we actually spent similar amounts to other windows.

You have to take wages into account. That's been the real problem as we all know
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 07:01:03 AM
Or just read the publicly available accounts! (Not aimed at you Paul e, you obviously have)

On transfers,  ki and atsu would be great. I'd be very pleasantly surprised with both though. If I were Swansea I'd definitely hold onto ki. He's played deep for Sunderland - very similar to Westwood's role

I think we could do with some more muscle in there either way. I haven't really got a better suggestion than sidwell though.

If we're interested in younger players too we could look to give some of the Chelsea youngsters who've been out on loan some premier league experience: chalobah, ake
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 07:28:14 AM
I've just seen sidwell has gone to stoke

Ummm- James MacArthur?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Summers on July 12, 2014, 08:19:07 AM
Ki and Atsu would be quality.. doubt we'll get either. I really like Ki, very good player. Would improve ourmidfield massively. Atsu is good, too. Fast, direct, lots of potential.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
As far as I can tell the ki rumours are founded on the basis of a tweet from a bloke called harj on twitter. No paper links I can find

Sounds credible
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
Ki is more of a attacking midfielder isn't he?  Him or Cole in front of Delph and Westwood is how I'd imagine we would set up.  We do still need that strong, athletic holding midfielder as well though and if there is any money to spend, that is the type of player we should invest it in.
After cutting a lot of slack for Westwood in his first 2 seasons - and I really wanted him to succeed - I think he is not currently good enough, and furthermore he lacks the dynamism we require. I would hope that we have one or two players lined up for his position and that he is forced to fight for his place in the matchday squad.
Currently we have Delph, Bacuna, Cole, Carruthers, N'Zog, Gardner, Grealish; as well as Westwood. It all depends how Lambert & Keane want to do it but I'd be ranking these midfielders as I list them above (with the proviso that perhaps I'd be seeing N'Zog as part of my attack-squad rather than in MF ... or, a candidate for offloading, for some cash).
Which means that with a new holding MF, Westwood becomes a bit-player (and hardly someone to come onto the pitch as a subb to make a real difference).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 12, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
Just done some quick maths and basically if Lerner sells for £150m, it's only cost him about £100k per day for the privilege of owning avfc for the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2014, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
As far as I can tell the ki rumours are founded on the basis of a tweet from a bloke called harj on twitter. No paper links I can find

Sounds credible

Brilliant
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 12, 2014, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
Atsu and Ki would both be excellent signings.

Not going to make much money on the letters on the back of the shirt with those two.
Is Jan Vennegor of Hesselink still playing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2014, 10:53:10 AM
Quote from: Mister E on July 12, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
Ki is more of a attacking midfielder isn't he?  Him or Cole in front of Delph and Westwood is how I'd imagine we would set up.  We do still need that strong, athletic holding midfielder as well though and if there is any money to spend, that is the type of player we should invest it in.
After cutting a lot of slack for Westwood in his first 2 seasons - and I really wanted him to succeed - I think he is not currently good enough, and furthermore he lacks the dynamism we require. I would hope that we have one or two players lined up for his position and that he is forced to fight for his place in the matchday squad.
Currently we have Delph, Bacuna, Cole, Carruthers, N'Zog, Gardner, Grealish; as well as Westwood. It all depends how Lambert & Keane want to do it but I'd be ranking these midfielders as I list them above (with the proviso that perhaps I'd be seeing N'Zog as part of my attack-squad rather than in MF ... or, a candidate for offloading, for some cash).
Which means that with a new holding MF, Westwood becomes a bit-player (and hardly someone to come onto the pitch as a subb to make a real difference).
That's how I see it too. Westwood isn't good enough over 30+ games. I think signing a couple of midfielders now should be our priority. I think KEA's had his time to be honest. Not good enough. We can't rely too much on Gardner or Johnson just yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on July 12, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 11, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 11, 2014, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2687556/Emile-Heskey-Striker-looking-new-club-England-spell-Australia.html
Before a load of gags fly in about him possibly returning here, I wonder if Leicester might be tempted for a year? Perhaps a level too high for him now. Maybe the Sty will have him back.


Thought he'd retired to be honest.  I guess for a newly promoted club or mid-level championship he can still do a job.  Always wish Heskey good luck he's one of the good guys.

Come back, Emile.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villabren on July 12, 2014, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
As far as I can tell the ki rumours are founded on the basis of a tweet from a bloke called harj on twitter. No paper links I can find

Sounds credible

Sky sources?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 12, 2014, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
Ki is more of a attacking midfielder isn't he?  Him or Cole in front of Delph and Westwood is how I'd imagine we would set up.  We do still need that strong, athletic holding midfielder as well though and if there is any money to spend, that is the type of player we should invest it in.
After cutting a lot of slack for Westwood in his first 2 seasons - and I really wanted him to succeed - I think he is not currently good enough, and furthermore he lacks the dynamism we require. I would hope that we have one or two players lined up for his position and that he is forced to fight for his place in the matchday squad.

I like Ashley Westwood and although I agree with the point in bold, I'm not sure about him not being good enough.  The problem is that his lack of athleticism and physicality means he can only really play one role - the defensive midfielder position in a midfield three or diamond formation.  That role would involve him sitting in front of the defence and breaking up play by making interceptions rather than getting involved in the physical stuff.  As he gets more experience, I could see him becoming an effective top flight player in that role.  If he is asked to play any other role (especially in a midfield two) then he is going to struggle as he doesn't have the physical and athletic attributes to compete in top flight football.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Rumors of a return for Ashley Young? Not for me
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

Possibly. I think we may play wing backs. But I also think he has played left back in a back four plenty of times too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 12, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
Richardson is one of those players who can play anywhere so long as it's out wide. He knows what he's doing on a flank, all that stuff about knowing where the touchline is, when to overlap, how to force opponents inside and out, and so on. He might not be the best in the world at it, but he can do it to a decent standard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 12, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

Possibly. I think we may play wing backs. But I also think he has played left back in a back four plenty of times too

It occurs to me that our signings to date give us far more flexibility re the formation we play , perhaps specific to the opposition ,e.g.  3 Centre Halves  ( Okore - Senderos-Vlaar ) + 5 man Midfield ( Richardson playing wide ) etc ..................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

I can see it to be honest Peter, especially as both Bennett and Luna have been transfer listed.  He's operated at left back quite a bit over the last few years hasn't he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Rumors of a return for Ashley Young? Not for me

I'm struggling to see why anyone wouldn't want Young if he was seriously available. He was always one of our best players when we were good, he'd easily be one of our best players now we're rubbish a and would improve the team immensely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2014, 03:53:19 PM
It's not going to happen unless it involved our dutch centre half going the other way maybe. I'd have him back anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

I can see it to be honest Peter, especially as both Bennett and Luna have been transfer listed.  He's operated at left back quite a bit over the last few years hasn't he?

Pretty much nowhere else for a few years, I didn't think?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: gpbarr on July 12, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on July 11, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.

Disagree - it's good enough to stay in this league, as has been proven these last 2 years. That doesn't mean it's a great squad or that we will play entertaining football or that I'm happy about it - but not good enough for this league is just baloney

Staying up for the past 2 seasons doesn't prove that the squad is good enough to stay-up for the coming season at all. That's 'baloney'. As has been mentioned several times on this thread, Premiership Clubs are likely to be throwing more money around than ever before this summer, at exactly the time that we appear to reigning-in our spending.

Respectfully throwing money around guarantees little. I disagree the standard in the Premier League is getting better year on year - certainly at the top it is but for the 13/14 clubs who make up the rest, I'd argue it has gotten steadily worse - thus the huge gap (almost two leagues these days). Villa won't go down because when I look at this league, I see at least 2 of the promoted clubs sinking as usual and squad for squad, we are not the 3rd worst by any stretch.

I think we will do just fine albeit it will be another roller coaster with great and awful days
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2014, 04:48:06 PM
I am a big fan of Ki and would love us to sign him. As for Ashley Young, I think it was Paulie who summed it up recently. A motivated AY who is happy to come back and do the business would be a big boost. Someone unmotivated after leaving a club that usually challenges for trophies and has lost his England place would be a liability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2014, 05:00:58 PM
I would love Young back. End of the day he would supply Benteke in a way that no one has since he arrived. Ditto Kozak. Both are good in the air, both would thrive with a player like Young. Young, Cole, NZogbia would be amazing behind Benteke in form. We can but hope.

Still need that holding mid, but if he spent his budget money wise on Young and Ki I would be delighted.

Should have added, neither will happen though. Exciting buys don't any more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 12, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 12, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Rumors of a return for Ashley Young? Not for me

I'm struggling to see why anyone wouldn't want Young if he was seriously available. He was always one of our best players when we were good, he'd easily be one of our best players now we're rubbish a and would improve the team immensely.

I think it is moot. He is still under contract till 2016 at (rumored) crazy high wages. If he loves Villa enough to take a massive wage cut then fair enough. But I doubt he will leave ManU voluntarily while cashing enough in every month and building up for a comfortable retirement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 12, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

I can see it to be honest Peter, especially as both Bennett and Luna have been transfer listed.  He's operated at left back quite a bit over the last few years hasn't he?

Pretty much nowhere else for a few years, I didn't think?

He was left midfield at Fulham last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2014, 05:19:48 PM
I know I am not the first person to reference a legendary Midlands soap opera character, but exactly how many poor performances will he be allowed before he is officially nicknamed 'Sandy'?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 12, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on July 12, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on July 11, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
If we don't spend some money on a couple of good players we will be in big trouble. Teams can't continuously just avoid relegation year after year without it eventually catching up with them. Our squad isn't good enough as it stands.

Disagree - it's good enough to stay in this league, as has been proven these last 2 years. That doesn't mean it's a great squad or that we will play entertaining football or that I'm happy about it - but not good enough for this league is just baloney

Staying up for the past 2 seasons doesn't prove that the squad is good enough to stay-up for the coming season at all. That's 'baloney'. As has been mentioned several times on this thread, Premiership Clubs are likely to be throwing more money around than ever before this summer, at exactly the time that we appear to reigning-in our spending.

Respectfully throwing money around guarantees little. I disagree the standard in the Premier League is getting better year on year - certainly at the top it is but for the 13/14 clubs who make up the rest, I'd argue it has gotten steadily worse - thus the huge gap (almost two leagues these days). Villa won't go down because when I look at this league, I see at least 2 of the promoted clubs sinking as usual and squad for squad, we are not the 3rd worst by any stretch.

I think we will do just fine albeit it will be another roller coaster with great and awful days

At least 2 of the promoted clubs sinking as usual? Fulham and Norwich finished 11th and 12th respectively in the season before they were relegated, and we finished 15th. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2014, 05:28:21 PM
I think Leicester and QPR will do okay. Burnley may well struggle. Along with maybe Southampton, Swansea and Albion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2014, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on July 12, 2014, 04:44:38 PM

I think we will do just fine albeit it will be another roller coaster with great and awful days

You make it sound like last season was acceptable for Aston Villa (even exciting).  It certainly wasn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 12, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
A bit mean spirited of me but I would find it very amusing to see Southampton plummet down. I have nothing against the club I am just weary of all the positive press they have received over the past two years.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Rumors of a return for Ashley Young? Not for me

Our wide men can barely cross the road let alone a ball yet you'd turn your nose up at Ashley Young? Staggering.
Doesn't really matter anyway because we'd struggle to pay his bus fair back down to Birmingham let alone his wages. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
Burnley look the only club for sure I would bet on going down from the 3 coming up.QPR will spend enough to survive ( as much as it pains me to say) and Leicester have money behind them too.Us ,Swansea and WBA look most in trouble at moment,Southampton have lost players but are spending  the money and by all accounts Koeman is a decent manager.

Young ,on his salary and with his recent performances will be hard for United to shift permanently.Would expect a loan which might give us a chance but would expect ,given his crossing ability  that WHU would be all over that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2014, 06:28:31 PM
I can't believe anyone wouldn't want Ashley Young back, he would massively improve us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2014, 06:30:08 PM
I'd take Young back in a heartbeat. 

But our manager seems to have a blindspot when it comes to wingers, so I can't see the bulk of our budget vis a vis fees and wages going on one. 

He seems to prefer width coming from the full back/ wing back, so Richardson and Bacuna or Lowton on the other side will probably be it. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:36:01 PM
young dive - Shortcut
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:36:01 PM
young dive - Shortcut
young dive - Shortcut young dive - Shortcut
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 12, 2014, 07:03:33 PM
Has anyone looked at the sort of players we are signing and how much they cost,
How on any planet do people think we are suddenly going to be buying Ashley Young

It's laughable

If we sign Ashley young I'll eat my sou'wester naked whilst standing on the trinity road on match day
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 12, 2014, 07:25:19 PM
We wouldn't give Albrighton and improved deal, so I can't see us stumping up big bucks for Young. I know Young is better, but we obviously have some sort of salary cap?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

Who's playing left back this year then as we won't be signing another one imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 12, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

Who's playing left back this year then as we won't be signing another one imo.

Sorry for double post but I just watched the AVTV interview. Richardson says he is going to be playing left back. I was surprised.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2014, 07:30:18 PM
I'd take Young back without question on ability.

My question would be what would his motivation be liked. Coming from a reasonably regular spot at United competiting for the title and CL to us likely in a relegation battle, it's fair to say he'll be downsizing a bit.

If he is available I can see clubs like Newcastle, West Ham and Everton being in for him tbh. Can't see him coming back here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2014, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2014, 07:03:33 PM
Has anyone looked at the sort of players we are signing and how much they cost,
How on any planet do people think we are suddenly going to be buying Ashley Young

It's laughable

If we sign Ashley young I'll eat my sou'wester naked whilst standing on the trinity road on match day

I don't think it's impossible that we could either attract him or afford him - particularly if it was a loan for a season with yanited picking up part of his salary.

He'll have fond memories of the club, was well settled in the area played his best football for us and should still -in theory- have plenty in the tank. In terms of positivity, a move like that would help to get the fans back on side too. When you look at clubs outside the top 4/5, I think Tottingham and Everton are pretty well covered in those areas, so it is the kind of deal we should be interested in.

But even if manure did cover part of the cost, we'd still have to stump up a fair wedge.  The Tonev deal apart, the manager has shown no real interest in wingers, so I don't see that now. 

West Ham or Newcastle would probably be more likely destinations.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on July 12, 2014, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.

I'm the same about Barry after his Sunday paper antics a few years ago. Obviously a moot point because he's signed for Everton now, but still.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
He's dived against just about every club he's ever faced, so I wouldn't take it personally.

Plenty of the free kicks and penalties he won for us were dubious.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 12, 2014, 08:11:49 PM
If Ashley young sort his attitude and hunger and fitness out and willing to take a pay cut he will be welcomed back to Villa Park but I think this is about likely Doug Ellis buying the club back from Randy Lerner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on July 12, 2014, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 12, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
He's dived against just about every club he's ever faced, so I wouldn't take it personally.

Plenty of the free kicks and penalties he won for us were dubious.

Yep. It's one thing is doing what Young ever did, but quite another dragging my team's name through the mud in public.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 09:23:33 PM
What a challenge from the Concrete One
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
Enjoying your holiday in the wrong thread TV?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
haha, fuck me. I'm an idiot!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnny from donny on July 12, 2014, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
haha, fuck me. I'm an idiot!
Is that the pick  up line you used to use back when you went clubbing? It's a good one, wish I'd thought of it back then.  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2014, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.
Strange, 'cos in the press release on the OS Richardson is described as a left back.
He's been bought to play LB or left wingback.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2014, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

I can see it to be honest Peter, especially as both Bennett and Luna have been transfer listed.  He's operated at left back quite a bit over the last few years hasn't he?

Pretty much nowhere else for a few years, I didn't think?

He was left midfield at Fulham last season.
No he wasn't. He didn't really play anywhere else apart from left-back for them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 09:54:29 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on July 12, 2014, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
haha, fuck me. I'm an idiot!
Is that the pick  up line you used to use back when you went clubbing? It's a good one, wish I'd thought of it back then.  ;)

I wanted to buy the shirt that said "Fuck me, the guy next to me is an idiot" only to find out I bought the one that said "Fuck me, I'm an Idiot".

Many lonely nights followed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2014, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

I can see it to be honest Peter, especially as both Bennett and Luna have been transfer listed.  He's operated at left back quite a bit over the last few years hasn't he?

Pretty much nowhere else for a few years, I didn't think?

He was left midfield at Fulham last season.
No he wasn't. He didn't really play anywhere else apart from left-back for them.

He has played at left back for two years for Fulham

Prior to that, he played at left back for Sunderland - a quick google refers to Steve Bruce talking about him staying at that position in 2009.

He's said on the OS that he has come here to be played at left back.

I don't really know how much evidence we can see that he's here as a left back.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2014, 10:03:34 PM
Pubey would play him at RB.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2014, 10:03:34 PM
Pubey would play him at RB.

nah, he'd be on the bench with the other full back with a central midfielder and CB playing those positions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 12, 2014, 10:07:28 PM
If peter w doesn't see it. I don't see it. Despite the evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 12, 2014, 10:13:31 PM
Which position has Kieran Richardson been brought in for? Will be as immortal line as 'Why didn't Barry take the penalty' at this rate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2014, 11:20:30 PM
Mirror reporting WHU after Delph for 5 mil.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on July 12, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 12, 2014, 11:20:30 PM
Mirror reporting WHU after Delph for 5 mil.....
The Mirror seem intent on being ultra negative on all things related to Villa. Any midfielder with any ambition or talent would be wasting it at West Ham as the ball flies over his head.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 12, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 12, 2014, 11:20:30 PM
Mirror reporting WHU after Delph for 5 mil.....
The Mirror seem intent on being ultra negative on all things related to Villa. Any midfielder with any ambition or talent would be wasting it at West Ham as the ball flies over his head.

James Nursey by any chance?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2014, 11:34:12 PM
I fully expect Delph to sign a new deal. Vlaar would I believe if he was younger, or if there was some sort of clarity with regard to the future of the club. However I don't accept he'll go just because of a good WC. The club will need to receive a great offer which would be stupid to refuse. There is simply no guarantee of that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
If we were to let Delph go for 5 million we may as well just pack it in altogether. Forget a sale, just lock up the gates, put cardboard over the windows and call it a day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 12, 2014, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 12, 2014, 11:34:44 PM
If we were to let Delph go for 5 million we may as well just pack it in altogether. Forget a sale, just lock up the gates, put cardboard over the windows and call it a day.

I agree.

Probably my favourite Villa player ever. I really think he's gonna have a special season soon and all the neutrals will pretend they didn't pick Jack Wilshere over him in their England squad. Please get him signed up to a new contract, Villa! :(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 12, 2014, 11:41:27 PM
I'm guessing we've offered Delph and vlaar deals over the past 12 months and the players / agents have rejected them? Either that or we've offered nothing which would be just gross incompetence of the highest order (Paul F).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2014, 11:42:48 PM
Not a chance in hell that Delph will go for 5 million! Just Nursey bollocks. He has had the hump for about 12 months regarding Villa after a period of a lot of spot on stories, so not sure what happened but seems he wants to stick his boot in wherever he can.


Anyone else see the Young plus a couple of million for Vlaar deal coming up on the horizon?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Letting Delph, and to a lesser extent Vlaar, go to one year left is a big risk, and not one I see the logic in. The reason I class Ron as less is that lets be honest, not many of us were clamouring for him to get a new contract after his first season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2014, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 12, 2014, 11:41:27 PM
I'm guessing we've offered Delph and vlaar deals over the past 12 months and the players / agents have rejected them? Either that or we've offered nothing which would be just gross incompetence of the highest order (Paul F).
Everything points to the latter. Delphy is a humble lad and appreciates the fact we've stuck by him through all his injuries. I think if we genuinely offered him a new deal, as long as it wasn't a total piss-take, he'd have signed.

I just wonder whether Randy expected to be shot of the club by now and ideally let someone else deal with it. I'm hoping come August, we'll put decent offers on the table for both players. Randy probably realises that he's stuck with us for a little while yet, he'll have to just get on with it. Lambert needs to be firm too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2014, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Letting Delph, and to a lesser extent Vlaar, go to one year left is a big risk, and not one I see the logic in. The reason I class Ron as less is that lets be honest, not many of us were clamouring for him to get a new contract after his first season.
In terms of Ron, one thing that might be in our consideration is his injury record. We may decide that it's only worth offering him a 2 year extension, so if a club like QPR come in and wave a 4 years deal in front of him for example (and on more money) he may well decide he wants to move on. A World Cup like he's just had won't hurt him in terms of what gets waved in front of him. It has to be on our terms though. We have to hold out for a good fee. There's no time for Randy to be a daft sod about this and half assedly accept something below Ron's worth. We can milk a good transfer fee out of this if we play our cards right.

If Ron sees out his last year, then so be it. I'd rather see that than accept a crap transfer fee now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2014, 12:02:00 AM
I can see why we only offered him a 2 year deal when we signed because of his previous, can you imagine this place if we'd stuck him on a 4 year deal and he was always injured?

And then after the first season, one in which he missed nearly a third of our league games through injury, and his performances weren't always impressive when he did play, again, imagine if we'd given him a new contract last summer?

Which actually takes us to this summer. So I can understand the club waiting.

Not giving Delph a deal is bonkers though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
I will add that the way our luck is, we'll give him a 3 or 4 year deal and you just know he will do himself a serious injury.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2014, 12:10:11 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
I will add that the way our luck is, we'll give him a 3 or 4 year deal and you just know he will do himself a serious injury.
The same could well go with Delphy. To have gotten 18 solid months out of him has actually been surprising.

That Delph facebook account, whether legit or not, I don't know, but anytime he mentions good news coming, within a couple of days there is some news out the club. Whether these pieces of news were good is open for debate, but hopefully his suggestion that Faulkners exit might facilitate a contract offer, comes true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
I will add that the way our luck is, we'll give him a 3 or 4 year deal and you just know he will do himself a serious injury.
Sod's law . Vlaar is a tricky one. I cannot see him recapturing his WC form in a team like ours . If he goes to a top 4 side with quality all around maybe .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Normally, any link concerning one of our better players moving to a two bob yoyo outfit like West Ham should be laughed out of the place. 

But the way we've carried ourselves in recent years, it's quite possible that players might see a move from Villa to West Ham as a step up.  Weird times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 12:27:59 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Normally, any link concerning one of our better players moving to a two bob yoyo outfit like West Ham should be laughed out of the place. 

But the way we've carried ourselves in recent years, it's quite possible that players might see a move from Villa to West Ham as a step up.  Weird times.
I'd say 98% of players look only at one thing. £££££.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2014, 01:26:33 AM
Name one player in the Randy Lerner era of any value to the club that we have sold on the cheap. We've done the exact opposite in fact and got in almost all cases fair value or way above. I have no idea what has happened to Nursey as he wasn't always like this but he hasn't half written some negative bollocks about us of late.

As for the article it is by someone called David Kidd pulling £5m out of his arse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2014, 01:50:32 AM
Cambiasso?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-ham-united-aston-villa-3848075
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 01:56:00 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2014, 01:26:33 AM
Name one player in the Randy Lerner era of any value to the club that we have sold on the cheap. We've done the exact opposite in fact and got in almost all cases fair value or way above. I have no idea what has happened to Nursey as he wasn't always like this but he hasn't half written some negative bollocks about us of late.

As for the article it is by someone called David Kidd pulling £5m out of his arse.
Wow, there's loads , where shall I start?
Curtis Davies signed £9m sold £250k .



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 13, 2014, 01:56:19 AM
I'd love that to be true if it was about 2008. @Cambiasso
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
He would still be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 13, 2014, 02:01:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
He would still be a decent signing.

For a low wage sure but if you're talking £50k+ a week I'd rather spend that money on keeping Delph and Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 13, 2014, 02:04:18 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 12, 2014, 11:41:27 PM
I'm guessing we've offered Delph and vlaar deals over the past 12 months and the players / agents have rejected them? Either that or we've offered nothing which would be just gross incompetence of the highest order (Paul F).

The latter gets my money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2014, 02:45:56 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 01:56:00 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2014, 01:26:33 AM
Name one player in the Randy Lerner era of any value to the club that we have sold on the cheap. We've done the exact opposite in fact and got in almost all cases fair value or way above. I have no idea what has happened to Nursey as he wasn't always like this but he hasn't half written some negative bollocks about us of late.

As for the article it is by someone called David Kidd pulling £5m out of his arse.
Wow, there's loads , where shall I start?
Curtis Davies signed £9m sold £250k .





Like I said players of any value to the club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2014, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
He would still be a decent signing.

Depends on how much he has left in the tank I guess, as we wouldn't want another Pires situation.  We have been crying out for an experienced midfielder who can sit in front of the back four and dictate play for a while now.  I remember Ivan Campo having some good seasons for Bolton a few years ago despite arriving in England at a similar age (if not older). 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2014, 08:17:42 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 13, 2014, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
He would still be a decent signing.

Depends on how much he has left in the tank I guess, as we wouldn't want another Pires situation.  We have been crying out for an experienced midfielder who can sit in front of the back four and dictate play for a while now.  I remember Ivan Campo having some good seasons for Bolton a few years ago despite arriving in England at a similar age (if not older). 
Cambiasso is 33, Campo joined Bolton when he was 28. He actually left Bolton at a similar age to Cambiasso is now.

That's not to say that we shouldn't sign him just because of his age. Liverpool got two great seasons out of 35 year old Gary McAllister and ManYoo got a couple of useful seasons out of Laurent Blanc at the same age as Cambiasso is now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on July 13, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
The new signings all be it mostly for nothing, of course until you factor in their wages and other costs to the club, is the fact that all the ones we have signed are going to have absolutely no resale value and we have also allowed ourselves to be in the same position with Vlaar and Delph, if they do not accept a new contract.
The ones that Lambert  looks to be wanting rid off again will not add alot to the bank balance either, strange road to go down when the supposed plan is to be self supporting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 13, 2014, 08:45:08 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Normally, any link concerning one of our better players moving to a two bob yoyo outfit like West Ham should be laughed out of the place. 

But the way we've carried ourselves in recent years, it's quite possible that players might see a move from Villa to West Ham as a step up.  Weird times.


Ha ha, 'two bob yoyo outfit'.  This is how I shall refer to west ham from now on
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2014, 09:30:51 AM
Cracking player and just what we need but I can't see it. Tottenham linked as well, which would be the obvious move if so. Love us to sign him though, would get a couple of great seasons off him I reckon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 09:31:57 AM
Surely he'll want cash we haven't got?

Darron Gibson might be worth considering
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2014, 09:39:48 AM
Barry was Evertons best player, so I wouldn't use age as an arbitrary measure in which you judge a player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2014, 10:43:21 AM
Cambiasso for a year or two would be great for us. He'd walk into our team and improve it instantly. You sit him in midfield and he'll orchestrate things. Even at 34 he's easily good enough for us. Can we match what West Ham will offer? Not sure, but I'd like to think we 'd give it a try. I don't see why we'd be adverse to paying someone 50k a week if they're good enough. He is.
We add another dynamic midfielder to the squad, then you put Delph and said other signing around Cambiasso to cover his pace, and we're sorted.
I think we need 2 midfielders. Cambiasso and one other younger player would be ideal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 10:51:08 AM
I think we need to be canny with our 2 loan signings this season. Would be nice to be quick off the blocks and secure 2 class players from Chelsea or Ci£y etc.
 Smethwick have been good at this previously , we need to beat them to it this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pete3206 on July 13, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
Damn, looks like we missed another one. Suarez replacement announced.

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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2014, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
On Kieran Richardson, let me just ask this

We're playing stoke away first game and have luna, Bennett and Richardson to pick from. Imagine the game is tomorrow. Who do you pick at left back?

I pick Richardson

I seriously doubt Richardson has been bought to play at left-back. Wing-back will be as defensive as it is - I'd expect to see him being used in midfield or as a winger.

I can see it to be honest Peter, especially as both Bennett and Luna have been transfer listed.  He's operated at left back quite a bit over the last few years hasn't he?

Pretty much nowhere else for a few years, I didn't think?

He was left midfield at Fulham last season.
No he wasn't. He didn't really play anywhere else apart from left-back for them.

Yes he was. Go onto that Fulham website and they say he played in midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on July 13, 2014, 12:22:56 PM
 Rather have Ki than Cambiasso tbh, Darren Fletcher would'nt be a bad option either.

 The modern midfield is all about athleticism, pace, aggression, mobility, Delph has it, Westwood does'nt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2014, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on July 13, 2014, 12:22:56 PM
Rather have Ki than Cambiasso tbh, Darren Fletcher would'nt be a bad option either.

 The modern midfield is all about athleticism, pace, aggression, mobility, Delph has it, Westwood does'nt.
Cambiasso and Ki. Now that would improve us no end.
Unlikely though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 13, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on July 13, 2014, 12:22:56 PM
Rather have Ki than Cambiasso tbh, Darren Fletcher would'nt be a bad option either.

 The modern midfield is all about athleticism, pace, aggression, mobility, Delph has it, Westwood does'nt.

Neither Ki nor Fletcher are 'all about' any of those. These things are important, but midfields have always and will always be about passing the ball above everything else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 13, 2014, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: john e on July 13, 2014, 08:45:08 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Normally, any link concerning one of our better players moving to a two bob yoyo outfit like West Ham should be laughed out of the place. 

But the way we've carried ourselves in recent years, it's quite possible that players might see a move from Villa to West Ham as a step up.  Weird times.


Ha ha, 'two bob yoyo outfit'.  This is how I shall refer to west ham from now on






Small Heath used to be a two bob yoyo outfit. Now they are a no bob yoyo outfit with a broken string.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on July 13, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
 Westwood is too slow and fragile though Monty.The WC has highlighted the players like Pogba and Vidal, neither are particularly good passers, but both are very athletic, and powerful, and both are rated at £30m plus.Neither are anywhere near as good as James in football terms, but complement that kind of player very well.

 Delph and Ki, or Fletcher, for me would be a reasonable defensive midfield, with Cole in front as the footballer, just need to replace Gabby then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 13, 2014, 01:33:59 PM
Pogba and Vidal are both amazing passers. And all of Delph, Ki and Fletcher are 'footballers' in that sense.

No, what the World Cup has highlighted are, I think, the value of two things: technique and intensity. Paulinho and Luiz Gustavo are athletic and powerful but neither can pass the ball, and they came up against a team who could match them physically but destroyed them with passing and pressing. Brazil's theory of having a team of bastards and a designated 'footballer' has been annihilated, at the top level at least.

Anyway, this is all a bit high-flung for Ashley Westwood. He can pass the ball well when he wants to, and provides that sort of option. Lambert's a ninny who thought that he could form a deep double-stop in midfield with Barry Bannan, so I'm hardly surprised we've rarely seen the best of him. He's more an 8 than a 6, as the Spanish call it, but we don't have a 6 or a 10 really so he looks a bit lost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on July 13, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
 To be fair, we are talking about a different level, for me Delph is our standard atm, Ki and Fletcher are an improvement on Westwood, his supposed ability at passing hasn't helped us the last 2 seasons, but his lack of intestity, pace, and positioning, have certainly hindered us, so a more steady player alongside Delph would be an improvement.

 Cole will need some legs alongside him as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 13, 2014, 01:33:59 PM
Pogba and Vidal are both amazing passers. And all of Delph, Ki and Fletcher are 'footballers' in that sense.

No, what the World Cup has highlighted are, I think, the value of two things: technique and intensity. Paulinho and Luiz Gustavo are athletic and powerful but neither can pass the ball, and they came up against a team who could match them physically but destroyed them with passing and pressing. Brazil's theory of having a team of bastards and a designated 'footballer' has been annihilated, at the top level at least.

Anyway, this is all a bit high-flung for Ashley Westwood. He can pass the ball well when he wants to, and provides that sort of option. Lambert's a ninny who thought that he could form a deep double-stop in midfield with Barry Bannan, so I'm hardly surprised we've rarely seen the best of him. He's more an 8 than a 6, as the Spanish call it, but we don't have a 6 or a 10 really so he looks a bit lost.
I said earlier (I think on this thread) that Westwood lacks dynamism: we've seen this in the number of times he has not quite tracked back with an attacking opposing MF. I don't write him off but I think we need alternatives, and he needs to learn from Keane about the whole scope of midfield-ship. If he does, he may yet become the player Lambert thoujht he'd bought.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 13, 2014, 01:50:35 PM
Funnily enough I think positioning is one of his better traits, but it's gone all the way downhill recently. The first time I saw him was the home game against Stoke in his first season, and as the game was so devoid of goalmouth incident I concentrated on him instead, and thought his anticipation was almost Petrov-esque. He got a huge ovation going off that day.

Since then, he's come to look like a goldfish on a motorway, somehow slow and flailing at the same time. I'm convinced that this is another example of 'the Bertrand effect', whereby a player comes to Villa with quality and a brain and is then exposed to the coaching staff, whereupon they become shite and stupid. Our amazing lack of tactical coherence does seem to have made certain players, ones who rely on their intelligence, deteriorate alarmingly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 13, 2014, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on July 13, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
To be fair, we are talking about a different level, for me Delph is our standard atm, Ki and Fletcher are an improvement on Westwood, his supposed ability at passing hasn't helped us the last 2 seasons, but his lack of intestity, pace, and positioning, have certainly hindered us, so a more steady player alongside Delph would be an improvement.

 Cole will need some legs alongside him as well.

As well as all the above Westwood is also physically very weak and gets pushed off the ball far too easily. He's been ridiculously overrated since he came to Villa by both the club (who have on a number of occasions talked him up for England) and by some of our fans. I think if we're ever taken over and the squad is invested in again he'll be one of the first out the door.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
In the right overall structure, Westwood could be a Leon Britton for us. 

Britton isn't particularly dynamic, nor a good all-round midfielder. But what he does (awareness, taking up good positions and keeping play ticking over) he does very well.

The way we play, I am not sure that type of player will be much use to us, however.  Barring ridiculous offers coming in, it is Delph plus two others in midfield.  One of them (at least) needs to be able to provide us with a degree of defensive protection.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 13, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
A Leon Britton. Just what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2014, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
In the right overall structure, Westwood could be a Leon Britton for us. 

Britton isn't particularly dynamic, nor a good all-round midfielder. But what he does (awareness, taking up good positions and keeping play ticking over) he does very well.

The way we play, I am not sure that type of player will be much use to us, however.  Barring ridiculous offers coming in, it is Delph plus two others in midfield.  One of them (at least) needs to be able to provide us with a degree of defensive protection.
Funny, I thought Leon Britton was a particularly pompous Tory S of S and Euro Commissioner recently back in the news over paedophiliac cover-ups at the Home Office. Certainly wouldn't have been a dynamic midfielder at any time in his life, I suspect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 13, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
A Leon Britton. Just what we need.

A proven premier league player for a team that's comfortably above relegation standard? Yes please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
For me what Westwood lacks in defensive situations vastly outweighs what his passing brings.  Part of the reason that I have always defended Baker & co is that the midfield don't provide enough protection in the normal games...against the big clubs they sit and work, against the Fulhams etc they get lazy, don't track runners & tackles invariably equal fouls.

Getting a good, disciplined player to hold would vastly improve our team & hopefully the knock on will see others put up and improve.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
A big player for one of the most attractive sides in the league?  I wouldn't be turning my nose up at him, put it that way. 

But the way we set up, a player like that (or Westwood) would be exposed.   We don't play a possession game, and you can't suddenly start playing it with the addition of one player.  It needs work on the training ground, an ethos and a determination to stick to that way of playing even if it doesn't immediately result in wins.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 13, 2014, 03:43:48 PM
Leon Britton lacks natural aggression.  What we need is a Norman "Bites Your Legs" Tebbit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.

I take it you wouldn't want Robben, Ronaldo or Bale signing for Villa?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
The trouble with Westwood is, he's a decent passer, but you wouldn't call it an acceptable attribute. His passing isn't good enough to mask the other deficiencies in his game. He's the sort of player who at Championship or L1 could look like Pirlo for someone. At our level, he's not quite good enough as more than a squaddie.
Also, particularly last season, Westwood had a disappointing tendency to disappear in games and go hiding. For me, the sort of deep lying play that he's expected to be, and perhaps aspires to be, would not do that. He does though. He spent far too long standing in the shadows of opposition players, almost taking himself out of large chunks of the game. Partly confidence yes, but also I think an indication that in the grand scheme of things, he's not of the required standard you'd expect from a week in, week out Premiership player. He needs a bit more nous, more guile, a bit more of an attitude to stamp his authority on a game rather than meekly stepping away from it.

Most definitely needs replacing in the first 11. As an option on the bench or to cover, he's fine. I don't see him plying his trade in the top flight in 2-3 years time to be honest. I think he'll take a drop.

Two more midfielders in and I think our squad is just about enough to see us finish comfortably, barring  bastard luck with injuries again. Midfield has been far and away our biggest weakness. Sort it out and our defence and attack both improve. Delphy needs help.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2014, 04:05:45 PM
Westwood is good when we're on top in games. When we're under pressure he struggles.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 04:18:26 PM
For the likes of Westwood it's season 3 in the PL. Hopefully we will see the improvement with the experience gained
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2014, 04:27:15 PM
It's make or break for the likes of Westwood, KEA and Lowton etc... I imagine they're all around 12-24 months left on their contracts after this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2014, 08:17:42 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 13, 2014, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
He would still be a decent signing.

Depends on how much he has left in the tank I guess, as we wouldn't want another Pires situation.  We have been crying out for an experienced midfielder who can sit in front of the back four and dictate play for a while now.  I remember Ivan Campo having some good seasons for Bolton a few years ago despite arriving in England at a similar age (if not older). 
Cambiasso is 33, Campo joined Bolton when he was 28. He actually left Bolton at a similar age to Cambiasso is now.

That's not to say that we shouldn't sign him just because of his age. Liverpool got two great seasons out of 35 year old Gary McAllister and ManYoo got a couple of useful seasons out of Laurent Blanc at the same age as Cambiasso is now.

Got my Spaniards mixed up Dave.  Fernando Hierro was the one who went there at the end of his career wasn't he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 13, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 13, 2014, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 13, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
In the right overall structure, Westwood could be a Leon Britton for us. 

Britton isn't particularly dynamic, nor a good all-round midfielder. But what he does (awareness, taking up good positions and keeping play ticking over) he does very well.

The way we play, I am not sure that type of player will be much use to us, however.  Barring ridiculous offers coming in, it is Delph plus two others in midfield.  One of them (at least) needs to be able to provide us with a degree of defensive protection.
Funny, I thought Leon Britton was a particularly pompous Tory S of S and Euro Commissioner recently back in the news over paedophiliac cover-ups at the Home Office. Certainly wouldn't have been a dynamic midfielder at any time in his life, I suspect.


Westminster cover ups that Dano predicted,
we sniggered
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2014, 04:05:45 PM
Westwood is good when we're on top in games. When we're under pressure he struggles.

That's it. I think he's out most under rated player. I'd like a physically stronger option in there - alongside or instead of. But I really think people criticise him too much. He was way, way better than Weimann or Lowton last season, but I think he gets criticised more
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 13, 2014, 05:01:47 PM
http://www.claretandhugh.info/hammers-answer-claims-on-villa-target/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hammers-answer-claims-on-villa-target

File under crap hopefully
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 13, 2014, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 13, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
A Leon Britton. Just what we need.

A proven premier league player for a team that's comfortably above relegation standard? Yes please.

They finished 4 points above us and generally looked in trouble of going down all year. Not exactly "comfortably above relegation standard".

Britton is an extremely limited player. Great at 3 yard passes, shit at everything else. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2014, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.

I take it you wouldn't want Robben, Ronaldo or Bale signing for Villa?
I must have missed them playing for the Villa or even diving to win a pen against The Villa. :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2014, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2014, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.

I take it you wouldn't want Robben, Ronaldo or Bale signing for Villa?
I must have missed them playing for the Villa or even diving to win a pen against The Villa. :-[ :-[

Would you not want them to sign for us if they had?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 13, 2014, 07:19:41 PM

You can't moan about Young diving against us when we all turned a blind eye when he did it for us surely ? That's his job as a footballer, to get a result for the team that pay his wages.

It's like those that went mad at Yorke for kissing his badge in front of the Holte after receiving dogs abuse for the whole match. Daft sods

Hurry up back Ashley!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.
Fully agree. Scum and cheat. He is dead to me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villalion on July 13, 2014, 07:35:41 PM
I second that emotion. >:(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
I'd rather have Young in our team helping us win games than worry about a poor piece of judgement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: itbrvilla on July 13, 2014, 08:06:04 PM
So WHAM are apparently offering us £5M for Delph according to the Mail.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2014, 08:07:13 PM
We better turn that down and get him to sign a new deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 13, 2014, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2014, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2014, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.

I take it you wouldn't want Robben, Ronaldo or Bale signing for Villa?
I must have missed them playing for the Villa or even diving to win a pen against The Villa. :-[ :-[

Would you not want them to sign for us if they had?
So, to recap:

Played for Villa and dived for Villa = okay
Plays elsewhere and dives, including against Villa = not okay
Plays elsewhere and dives, but not against Villa = okay
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on July 13, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
He cheated, he wanted to win.  Sounds like the player we need at the moment unfortunately.  Two years running our best player as well.

Suprised Arry hasnt tapped him up, he was always on about him being trffic
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
"Get up Young you diving twat" was heard from me more than once during his time with us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2014, 10:01:35 PM
Young is a diver and so, we wouldn't want him back? Gabby does it often enough but we love him!! Get real here, if there is the remotest possibility of us getting the cheating, diving little twat back, I would snatch their hands off.

Not aimed at you PWS!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2014, 10:11:58 PM
Jack Cork wouldnt be a bad signing for us to add to our midfield. A year left on his contract with Southampton but no sign of a new deal. Better than Kea anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2014, 10:15:23 PM
The next one in simply has to be a ball winning midfielder. Lambert has to address the midfield lightweight issue.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 13, 2014, 10:27:33 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10964838/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-closing-in-on-South-Korea-international-Ki-Sung-Yueng.html

Quote
Paul Lambert is poised to sign Swansea City midfielder Ki Sung-Yueng and wants Randy Lerner, the Aston Villa owner, to offer the Holland international Ron Vlaar a new contract.
The Aston Villa manager has stepped up his attempt to recruit a holding midfielder and expects to complete a deal for Ki this week. The South Korea international could become the first cash signing at Villa this summer if Lambert can agree terms with Swansea to make the move permanent.
Ki, 25, is believed to have held talks with Lambert over the weekend and will become Villa’s fourth signing since Lerner announced his decision to put the club up for sale.
Lambert will then focus his attention on retaining Vlaar, who has a year left on his contract. Vlaar returned to Holland yesterday after an impressive World Cup tournament and Villa fear that his performances could lead to interest from clubs in the Premier League and across Europe.
Fabian Delph and Gabriel Agbonlahor also have less than 12 months remaining and Lambert wants approval from Lerner to offer the trio fresh terms.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
Ki's a good player. This would be a welcome addition and in a position very much of need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on July 13, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
He cheated, he wanted to win.  Sounds like the player we need at the moment unfortunately.  Two years running our best player as well.

Suprised Arry hasnt tapped him up, he was always on about him being trffic
Nah. Ashley young can fuck off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2014, 10:34:14 PM
How reliable is the Telegraph? I hope this happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2014, 10:46:19 PM
If we sign Ki as well, that would make four players that can actually look after a football, which is a positive step in itself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 13, 2014, 10:34:14 PM
How reliable is the Telegraph? I hope this happens.
Whatever goes in that paper is Nailed on. That's a proper paper that, the big sheets of paper you see people in the Home Counties wrestling with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2014, 10:47:29 PM
Ki's a good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2014, 10:48:03 PM
OMG! Look! He's got it as "breaking"!

IncogAVFC ‏@IncogAVFC Protected Tweets  27m
BREAKING: Ki deal DONE #avfc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
I'd be very happy with Ki. Would certainly improve my outlook on the summer. Not only is he a very effective deep-lying midfielder, he's also pretty handy going forward. I've always wondered why Swansea don't seem to want him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 13, 2014, 10:51:57 PM
Can't say I know anything about Ki. Is he any good?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 10:54:20 PM
Very good player. Very, very pleased if we get this one done.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 13, 2014, 10:59:08 PM
John Percy from the Telegraph is generally spot on with his Villa stories.

Ki is a good player IMO was one of Sunderlands best players last season, TBH surprised Swansea can't find a place for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
Very very pleasantly surprised if we pull this off

Still leaves us lightweight. But he can sit in front of the back four and he can pass it

Wonder how lambert sees that working? Alongside Westwood and Delph, or instead of Westwood?

Could see Delph slightly further forward of the three?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 13, 2014, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 13, 2014, 10:51:57 PM
Can't say I know anything about Ki. Is he any good?
I thought he looked good when he played against us at Villa Park last year (I know, so did loads of other players). Pleased if this is true though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2014, 11:10:01 PM
Really surprised Swansea are letting him go and also Sunderland don't want him full time as he did really well there I thought.

Be interested to see what the fee is...you'd think it would be in the 4-5m range.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2014, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 13, 2014, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 13, 2014, 10:34:14 PM
How reliable is the Telegraph? I hope this happens.
Whatever goes in that paper is Nailed on. That's a proper paper that, the big sheets of paper you see people in the Home Counties wrestling with.

Always amusing when I see posts like this. Yes the tabloids are rags but the Sun for example have called the Tonev and Vlaar deals before anyone else in the previous two summers.

Didn't the Telegraph have some bogus takeover story a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 13, 2014, 11:13:19 PM
"closing in on" does seem a lot more specific that the usual idle talk, and our transfers are usually done on the quiet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 13, 2014, 11:21:03 PM
Would be very happy with Ki. He is a massive improvement to what we have ......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 11:21:45 PM
I just remembered cattermole played quite a lot last year. So Ki must be capable of playing wider / more advanced, or as a pair.

I know others don't like him bit I could see ki and Westwood working well together and getting a hold on games

Hopefully we'll see some more passing this season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2014, 11:23:33 PM
Well Lambert is signing premier league experience players at least which is what was called for.

Our actually 11 doesn't look that bad BUT it's dependant on no injuries which obviously won't happen and Benteke getting back as quickly as possible as we looked very toothless after he got injured given the unreliability of Gabby and Weimann and kozak still a bit off returning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2014, 11:25:02 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 13, 2014, 11:21:03 PM
Would be very happy with Ki. He is a massive improvement to what we have ......

an upgrade on Westwood for sure but tends to go missing a bit when things get heated in midfield. Didnt work for him at two clubs at our level, hopefully third time lucky with us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on July 13, 2014, 11:27:26 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 13, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
After the scum bag took the dive to win them a penalty, I am surprised that any Villa Fan with a memory larger than a goldfish could stomach him wearing the shirt again.
Fully agree. Scum and cheat. He is dead to me.
He's a busted flush & also on £100k / week, so the chances of him coming back to us are somewhat less than zero. He'd be ideal for Newcastle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 11:29:06 PM
He was rated by the Sunderland fans in fairness.


Interesting that some guy on Twitter had this quite early on Friday morning. Can't remember who though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
If we do sign Ki, would that be the first transfer that Lambert has directly signed from a Premier League club?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DeKuip on July 13, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 11:21:45 PM
I just remembered cattermole played quite a lot last year. So Ki must be capable of playing wider / more advanced, or as a pair.

know others don't like him bit I could see ki and Westwood working well together and getting a hold on games

Hopefully we'll see some more passing this season

Should have gone for Ki's World Cup team mate Ho to pair up with Westwood!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2014, 11:38:17 PM
Or signed Rita Ora to pair up with KEA.

/i'llgetmecoat
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 13, 2014, 11:47:16 PM
Luna off to Verona

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/13/aston-villa-ready-to-sell-antonio-luna-as-hellas-verona-close-in/149981/
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DeKuip on July 13, 2014, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
If we do sign Ki, would that be the first transfer that Lambert has directly signed from a Premier League club?
Certainly the first since Joe Cole anyway!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on July 13, 2014, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
If we do sign Ki, would that be the first transfer that Lambert has directly signed from a Premier League club?
Certainly the first since Joe Cole anyway!
We didn't sign him from anybody, he was a free agent and we offered him a contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 13, 2014, 11:59:33 PM
Ki is a nice footballer. We'd still need a defensive midfielder though, so I hope we have enough for both.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2014, 11:59:36 PM
Cole had been released, so strictly not. And Richardson had been relegated.

Bertrand was from Chelsea albeit a loan though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2014, 12:01:02 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on July 13, 2014, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
If we do sign Ki, would that be the first transfer that Lambert has directly signed from a Premier League club?
Certainly the first since Joe Cole anyway!

Cole had been released by West Ham I believe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2014, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
If we do sign Ki, would that be the first transfer that Lambert has directly signed from a Premier League club?
Now that would be a key signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2014, 12:14:02 AM
If Yueng followed I might be confident of staying up!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 14, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
Ki would be a very good signing. Which is exactly why I can't see it happening. Glass completely empty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2014, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
If we do sign Ki, would that be the first transfer that Lambert has directly signed from a Premier League club?

Jed Steer?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
Simon Dawkins.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2014, 12:31:58 AM
Ki would be our best signing of the summer so far.

Ran the show, when he played at Villa Park last season for Slumberland.  Admittedly not hard to do that against our lot. 

Isn't he also a bit of a deadball specialist, dating back to his time at Celtic?  Or am I thinking of a different player? 

Bacuna, Richardson and Ki:  Will be weird to actually have options from a set piece, for a change.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2014, 12:41:37 AM
Would be nice to have a player who can see a pass too. Strachan was massively complimentary about him when he covered their world cup game earlier in the tournement. Still doubt it will happen though!

Would be interesting if we still sign a more physical player like Adeyimi or whatever his name is from Blues that was mentioned the other day. Then we might actually have options in the midfield too, rather than the 3 picking themselves every week.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 14, 2014, 01:23:00 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on July 13, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 11:21:45 PM
I just remembered cattermole played quite a lot last year. So Ki must be capable of playing wider / more advanced, or as a pair.

know others don't like him bit I could see ki and Westwood working well together and getting a hold on games

Hopefully we'll see some more passing this season

Should have gone for Ki's World Cup team mate Ho to pair up with Westwood!

Just need to sign Giles Coke and Billy Kee and we have an instant terrace chant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 14, 2014, 03:48:41 AM
Ki would be an exciting signing. I wanted him when he was at Celtic. Trying not to get my hopes up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Summers on July 14, 2014, 04:24:27 AM
Really hope this Ki talk is legit. Great signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 14, 2014, 05:52:08 AM
Sylla out, Ki in? That'll do nicely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 14, 2014, 06:21:22 AM
The dream terrace chant would be a midfield of Ki, Ho and Silva.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2014, 07:31:21 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
Simon Dawkins.....
He was only on loan wasn't he?

I guess Steer counts though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 14, 2014, 08:36:59 AM
Kendrick now reporting it. He's normally a little slow on the uptake but doesn't report things spuriously. Reckons £1.5m which would be bargainous

Perplexed why Sunderland not in for him, but I guess they have cattermole and Bridcutt, plus need players in several positions too

Wondering if he's seen as a replacement or complement to Westwood (or shock horror Delph - please no). I could see ki and Delph either side of Westwood in a three. He could sit with Delph or Westwood in a two. He could replace Westwood in a three

He might also play the more advanced of a three, though all the noise is about him coming as a holding midfielder. Can't see Delph playing as an attacking midfielder but perhaps I'm not being imaginative enough. He's got dribbling skills and a shot. Just not so much of a creative eye
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2014, 08:42:52 AM
According to the telegraph he would be a holding midfielder
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2014, 08:59:37 AM
Don't know a great deal about him but it sounds a popular move.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2014, 09:02:44 AM
Would we be playing Ki and Westwood as to deep lying ball playing midfielders? Ki is supposed to be quite athletic isn't he? More than capable of pressing, but I think the fact he is a footballer first is what we need, which should compliment Westwood. Our inability to retain possession at times is very worrying.

If the above is the case, then it would be nice to see Delph with that little bit more licence to make forward runs and start receiving the ball that little bit higher up the pitch, rather than dropping in amongst our back four to collect and have forty yards to go before we hit the box.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 14, 2014, 09:07:43 AM
Ki's a deep-lying midfielder but not necessarily a holding one, if that makes. He's a really tidy player. I just hope he doesn't fall victim to the Bertrand effect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ethicalvillain on July 14, 2014, 09:49:12 AM
Hi Gents, not sure if this sheds any more light on the Ki deal, but just been chatting to a mate who is a Swans ST holder and any deal is apparently all dependent on the permanent signing of de Guzman from Villareal.

Apparently the Swans are looking to finish their business this week, and de Guzman is more or less done at £8m.

A word of warning though, apparently Ki hits the ground running and starts amazingly, but fades quickly, very much depends on his mood and attitude whether or not he fancies turning up.

Not an ITK by any means, just sharing what I'd heard from the Swans side of the speculation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2014, 09:50:33 AM
Nice to see things heating up and us lot being more positive about things. I know it hasn't happened yet but Ki in, Luna out, hopefully things are really beginning to get moving. I am also much more positive about Lambert staying too!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 14, 2014, 09:53:18 AM
Given the club's circumstances, this close season is beginning to look very positive. Lerner and Lambert could both have given up on us, but instead they are pivoting their policy of signing young & unknown & mostly useless players to bring in seasoned PL pros. And we can hope that the change of coach means that they will actually be marshalled into an effective mid-table team, until the new owner arrives on his white steed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mrastonvilla on July 14, 2014, 10:07:17 AM
A couple of decent signings, return of some of the injured many + Vlaar and particularly Delph on a new deal will be a +ve start to the new season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Ki would be a good signing. He's a decent player. Good on the ball, decent pass on him. He improves us right off the bat. I would be looking at him as an upgrade on Westwood. Then hopefully we'll sign someone in the Mascherano mould to look after the backline a bit and allow Delph more freedom to get forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 14, 2014, 10:24:59 AM
Midfielder choice , Delph, Cole , Westwood , Ki ( perhaps) , Al Ahmadi , Bacuna , Gardner , Johnson .......we need definately some height & physical presence there. ......................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Ki is just over 6ft 1, so would add some height, although granted he's not the most physical of players.  The more I think about it, the better a signing it becomes for us. Ball retention was by far and away our biggest weakness last season, and is this guy's strength. I'd be absolutely amazed if the fee is only £1.5m (as Kendrick is reporting) though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2014, 10:37:48 AM
I'd be happy with Ki, he's a massive upgrade on KEA to start with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: ethicalvillain on July 14, 2014, 09:49:12 AM
A word of warning though, apparently Ki hits the ground running and starts amazingly, but fades quickly, very much depends on his mood and attitude whether or not he fancies turning up.

If anything, I thought he was instrumental in Sunderland's great escape last season, so would hope that he's capable of sustained performances in the Prem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 14, 2014, 10:47:27 AM
Do they still charge for shirt names by the letter?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2014, 10:49:58 AM
A massive lack of quality in there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 14, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 14, 2014, 10:47:27 AM
Do they still charge for shirt names by the letter?

that was a thought of mine too Brian  :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 14, 2014, 10:57:26 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2014, 10:49:58 AM
A massive lack of quality in there.

Delete ' massive ' and I,d say fair comment ......................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2014, 11:10:31 AM
If you want to shield the back 4/3, then keeping the ball is a good way of doing that. Having an ability to push the game on with it too, is also pretty useful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 14, 2014, 11:15:11 AM
It's the East Anglia effect Dr B. Always looking for cheap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2014, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2014, 11:10:31 AM
If you want to shield the back 4/3, then keeping the ball is a good way of doing that. Having an ability to push the game on with it too, is also pretty useful.

Exactly, i had this discussion yesterday with someone who is insistent that our problems are that we're shit out wide, as I pointed out, with our shape where we expect the width to come from the full backs if you keep the ball for 3 passes before punting it long again your fullbacks are never going to be in position to offer that unless they just sprint up field as soon as we get the ball, which will clearly leave big gaps. We need to start holding on to the ball in the middle and moving the opposition around.  Last year we panicked and went back as soon as we were challenged which led to the long ball punts.

Add to that the lack of support for the fullbacks in defence and it's easy to think out wide is the main problem when it really isn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 14, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
You have it precisely Paul.  Our two biggest faults last season were ball retention and bad passing. Improve those and we will start to win games again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 14, 2014, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2014, 11:10:31 AM
If you want to shield the back 4/3, then keeping the ball is a good way of doing that. Having an ability to push the game on with it too, is also pretty useful.

Exactly, i had this discussion yesterday with someone who is insistent that our problems are that we're shit out wide, as I pointed out, with our shape where we expect the width to come from the full backs if you keep the ball for 3 passes before punting it long again your fullbacks are never going to be in position to offer that unless they just sprint up field as soon as we get the ball, which will clearly leave big gaps. We need to start holding on to the ball in the middle and moving the opposition around.  Last year we panicked and went back as soon as we were challenged which led to the long ball punts.

Add to that the lack of support for the fullbacks in defence and it's easy to think out wide is the main problem when it really isn't.

Spot on, and if we are to play a 3-5-2 more regularly next season (as some have suggested) ball retention will become even more important, otherwise you're asking a hell of a lot of your two wing-backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villasjf on July 14, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Sylla has completed his medical with the Turkish club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
the guy showed some real form intermittently in his first season and very little, if at all, last time, so there might be a player in there somewhere. I hope it works out for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 12:08:24 PM
It's a very strange loan move for Sylla isn't it? How we will anyone be able to gage how well he's done, given that it's very much an unknown league?

I would have thought a loan move to a Championship Club or back to Ligue 1 would have made much more sense. I think we've probably seen the last of him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
It's a very strange loan move for Sylla isn't it? How will anyone be able to gage how well he's done, given that it's very much an unknown league?

I would have thought a loan move to a Championship Club or back to Ligue 1 would have made much more sense. I think we've probably seen the last of him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 14, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 14, 2014, 11:15:11 AM
It's the East Anglia effect Dr B. Always looking for cheap.

:)
still alot cheaper than Hitzlesperger
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 14, 2014, 12:13:22 PM
Or alternatively we have bitten the hand off the first and only bidder for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2014, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 14, 2014, 12:13:22 PM
Or alternatively we have bitten the hand off the first and only bidder for him.

That's a fair comment. Equally, we can watch from a distance to see if he picks up his game or not. I would have liked him to go to a championship club though, so he's closer to home and in the shop window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: ethicalvillain on July 14, 2014, 09:49:12 AM
Hi Gents, not sure if this sheds any more light on the Ki deal, but just been chatting to a mate who is a Swans ST holder and any deal is apparently all dependent on the permanent signing of de Guzman from Villareal.

Apparently the Swans are looking to finish their business this week, and de Guzman is more or less done at £8m.

A word of warning though, apparently Ki hits the ground running and starts amazingly, but fades quickly, very much depends on his mood and attitude whether or not he fancies turning up.

Not an ITK by any means, just sharing what I'd heard from the Swans side of the speculation.

That would be a concern.

Reading up on him earlier, he also had tendinitis in the knee for several months of last season and had to manage that injury.  He eventually missed the last month of the season. 

Maybe that is why Slumberland didn't push for a permanent deal? 

In our situation though, we can't turn our noses up at quality.

Hopefully  that break before the World Cup and directly after has given his knee ample opportunity to heal, and playing for a club as majestic as the Villa means he won't coast.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 14, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
No doubt we will be signing Claude Makelele to play the `Claude Makelele Role.`

Just awaiting clearance on his pension now.

Apparently we have beaten off all challengers for his signature by virtue of the fact that there are no other suitors for his signature.

Can't wait for the official announcement on AVTV.





Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
I don't think we have an exhumation licence, so bullet dodged
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2014, 01:14:51 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 14, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
No doubt we will be signing Claude Makelele to play the `Claude Makele Role.`

Just awaiting clearance on his pension now.

Apparently we have beaten off all challengers for his signature by virtue of the fact that there are no other suitors for his signature.

Can't wait for the official announcement on AVTV.







Okaaaaay.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 14, 2014, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2014, 09:02:44 AM
Would we be playing Ki and Westwood as to deep lying ball playing midfielders? Ki is supposed to be quite athletic isn't he? More than capable of pressing, but I think the fact he is a footballer first is what we need, which should compliment Westwood. Our inability to retain possession at times is very worrying.

If the above is the case, then it would be nice to see Delph with that little bit more licence to make forward runs and start receiving the ball that little bit higher up the pitch, rather than dropping in amongst our back four to collect and have forty yards to go before we hit the box.



I was wondering about this. Obviously it would mean having to play 4231 or 3412. And it would mean no n'zogbia or cole in that role.

I can't quite see it to be honest
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
I think you are more likely to see Ki, Delph and Cole at home with Westwood having to earn a place back. Time will tell, and it seems there is a bit to go yet to even get Ki here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Ki is just over 6ft 1, so would add some height, although granted he's not the most physical of players.  The more I think about it, the better a signing it becomes for us. Ball retention was by far and away our biggest weakness last season, and is this guy's strength. I'd be absolutely amazed if the fee is only £1.5m (as Kendrick is reporting) though.
Seems strange that Swansea haven't fancied him. He'd fit in very well for them, but I suppose if they wrap up De Guzman, they probably rate him more.
1.5m would be a snip. It'll also give us plenty of fans out in Asia and perhaps sell a few shirts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2014, 01:48:56 PM
MK has said this was a typo. Fee obviously higher.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2014, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Ki is just over 6ft 1, so would add some height, although granted he's not the most physical of players.  The more I think about it, the better a signing it becomes for us. Ball retention was by far and away our biggest weakness last season, and is this guy's strength. I'd be absolutely amazed if the fee is only £1.5m (as Kendrick is reporting) though.
Seems strange that Swansea haven't fancied him. He'd fit in very well for them, but I suppose if they wrap up De Guzman, they probably rate him more.
1.5m would be a snip. It'll also give us plenty of fans out in Asia and perhaps sell a few shirts.

That's a good point and an avenue that the club have never really explored. I've always liked Lee at Bolton (who I believe is also South Korean) so maybe we should try to pair them up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2014, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
Ki is just over 6ft 1, so would add some height, although granted he's not the most physical of players.  The more I think about it, the better a signing it becomes for us. Ball retention was by far and away our biggest weakness last season, and is this guy's strength. I'd be absolutely amazed if the fee is only £1.5m (as Kendrick is reporting) though.
Seems strange that Swansea haven't fancied him. He'd fit in very well for them, but I suppose if they wrap up De Guzman, they probably rate him more.
1.5m would be a snip. It'll also give us plenty of fans out in Asia and perhaps sell a few shirts.

That's a good point and an avenue that the club have never really explored. I've always liked Lee at Bolton (who I believe is also South Korean) so maybe we should try to pair them up.
Lee was a player I liked but he's gone very quiet in recent years. He's even struggled to stand out in the Championship. He should have sought out a move to try and stay in the Prem to be honest. He probably wouldn't be the player he was returning to this level now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
Lee was a player I liked but he's gone very quiet in recent years. He's even struggled to stand out in the Championship. He should have sought out a move to try and stay in the Prem to be honest. He probably wouldn't be the player he was returning to this level now.
He started very well for them but didn't he break his leg?  He hasn't been the same since.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 02:06:45 PM
I think you're right about the leg-break, shame as he looked a real player whilst in the prem with Bolton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 14, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
Lee was a player I liked but he's gone very quiet in recent years. He's even struggled to stand out in the Championship. He should have sought out a move to try and stay in the Prem to be honest. He probably wouldn't be the player he was returning to this level now.
He started very well for them but didn't he break his leg?  He hasn't been the same since.
He did. It also happened to mean he missed the majority of the season they went down, which didn't help them. He's looked slower since.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on July 14, 2014, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
It's a very strange loan move for Sylla isn't it? How will anyone be able to gage how well he's done, given that it's very much an unknown league?

I would have thought a loan move to a Championship Club or back to Ligue 1 would have made much more sense. I think we've probably seen the last of him in a Villa shirt.

I'm not sure he's good enough for either of those levels and hopefully you are correct!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: richard moore on July 14, 2014, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
It's a very strange loan move for Sylla isn't it? How will anyone be able to gage how well he's done, given that it's very much an unknown league?

I would have thought a loan move to a Championship Club or back to Ligue 1 would have made much more sense. I think we've probably seen the last of him in a Villa shirt.

I'm not sure he's good enough for either of those levels and hopefully you are correct!
I guess it's also about getting him shipped out to any taker we can get, even on loan. I don't think we'll see him play for the club again to be honest. It'll be very hard shipping out the cheap punt players on permanent deals. So it's no surprise that Helenius has been loaned back, and Sylla and Luna seem set to also be loaned away. Tonev will likely be the same. I guess the hope is, much like Makoun, we'll get a nominal fee in a years time.

I would also imagine that part of Lamberts thinking now is more focused on the here and now. He's only got one year left of his deal. He's obviously looking at been there, done it players now, like Cole, Richardson and Senderos. He'll want to finish at the Villa with his reputation in tact. He wants to avoid another dogfight, and having too many in-experienced players has contributed to us scrapping at the wrong end. If we finish mid-table he leaves having probably, overall, done an okay job. Likewise it also gives him a chance of impressing potential new owners.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chipsticks on July 14, 2014, 04:57:10 PM
When Sunderland came to VP last season we played out a 0-0, but he was far and away the best player on the pitch. My old man kept picking him out, and we're both very excited about us signing 'that Jap lad' who really impressed us.

Anything to bolster holding midfield is much needed, and he's a quality player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 14, 2014, 05:26:31 PM
Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ki-sung-yueng-everything-you-need-7418922)

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Ki Sung-Yueng: Everything you need to know about the Aston Villa target

Mat Kendrick looks at some of the ‘Ki’ points surrounding the potential transfer

Jul 14, 2014 17:00
By Mat Kendrick

Ki Sung-Yueng has emerged as Aston Villa’s latest target, with Paul Lambert hoping to sign Swansea’s South Korea international midfielder.

Mat Kendrick looks at some of the ‘Ki’ points surrounding the potential transfer.

HOW MUCH WILL HE COST?

With just a year left on his contract and no new deal in the offing as of yet, Swansea risk losing Ki for nothing next summer if they ask for too much for him. He was their record signing - briefly - when he arrived from Celtic for a reported £6 million in August 2012.

Swansea will struggle to recoup all of that, with just 12 months remaining on his current deal, but sources in South Wales suggest the Liberty Stadium club would be looking for at least half of that sum – possibly £3 million-plus.

Given Villa have picked up Joe Cole and Philippe Senderos for frees and Kieran Richardson for next to nothing, it would represent their first serious spending of the summer.

Then there are Ki’s wage demands. Because he was Swansea’s most expensive buy, albeit for only a short while, he is among their top earners and is thought to be on more than £30,000 per week.

DO SWANSEA WANT TO SELL HIM?

Ki was not believed to be on the ‘available’ list when Gary Monk revealed his intention to overhaul his squad this summer, but it transpires Swansea have decided to listen to offers for the 25-year-old.

Last season he was sent out on loan to Sunderland, much to the annoyance of sections of the Liberty Stadium faithful, and Michael Laudrup failed to activate a recall clause midway through the campaign, even when the Swans suffered an injury crisis in the centre of the park.

It is understood that Ki was more of a ‘club signing’ to replace Liverpool-bound Joe Allen in the summer of 2012 rather than Laudrup’s choice and the Danish former Swans manager never really took to him.

Monk rates him, but already boasts Leon Britton and Jonjo Shelvey and with efforts to re-sign Jonathan de Guzman and Gylfi Sigurdsson back to South Wales, he may feel that Swansea are blessed with enough midfield options to cash in on Ki.

Swansea are currently on a pre-season tour in Chicago, without Ki, who has been given extended leave following World Cup duty.

Earlier this summer they were contemplating whether or not to offer him a new deal. They would be reluctant sellers, but understand the financial benefits of cashing in on Ki if he is not to have a key first team role.

WHAT QUALITIES WOULD HE BRING TO VILLA?

Villa have seemingly earmarked Ki to play in a holding midfield position in front of the backline, similar to the role he performed for South Korea in the World Cup.

He has tended to be a jack of all trades, and played in a more advanced role during his spell at the Stadium of Light, getting three goals for Sunderland, having never scored for Swansea. He is a cultured passer, in keeping with the Swansea ‘type’ of recent seasons.

Ki is capable of driving forward and controlling games, but is yet to take the Premier League by the scruff of the neck. While he thrives on taking responsibility for his country, sometimes he does not impact enough in club matches. At just over 6ft 1in, he is not afraid of the physical battles and gets stuck in. 

In terms of technique, he is an upgrade on what Villa have in the middle of the park, an area in which the claret and blues have not been overly blessed with quality in recent seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on July 14, 2014, 05:26:54 PM
I just flicked over to SSN and, they were doing a transfer roundup on that board thing and it flashed up that so far this closed season we've got five in.  Have I missed something?  Senderos, Cole, Richardson and possibly the Korean lad.  Who else?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2014, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 14, 2014, 05:26:54 PM
I just flicked over to SSN and, they were doing a transfer roundup on that board thing and it flashed up that so far this closed season we've got five in.  Have I missed something?  Senderos, Cole, Richardson and possibly the Korean lad.  Who else?

Maybe it is Gardner and Robinson signing new deals being included with Senderos, Cole and Richardson?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2014, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 14, 2014, 05:26:54 PM
I just flicked over to SSN and, they were doing a transfer roundup on that board thing and it flashed up that so far this closed season we've got five in.  Have I missed something?  Senderos, Cole, Richardson and possibly the Korean lad.  Who else?

We haven't signed Ki yet.

The other two are Tom Leggett and Isaac Nehemie, both youngsters captured from the Southampton youth set-up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on July 14, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
Thank you.  I was aware Ki hadn't signed yet and was hoping we'd gone mad since the last time I'd logged on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2014, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 14, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
Thank you.  I was aware Ki hadn't signed yet and was hoping we'd gone mad since the last time I'd logged on.

I think we all went mad a long time ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2014, 07:14:46 PM
With West Ham signing a few already this summer, anyone reckon it's worth bidding for Diame? He seems to have fallen out of favour there after a good first season and don't think West Ham would want a huge amount for him so similar to the Ki deal.

Could potentially mean a middle trio of......Ki.............Diame....Delph which in our bargain bucket state would actually be quite decent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: ethicalvillain on July 14, 2014, 09:49:12 AM
A word of warning though, apparently Ki hits the ground running and starts amazingly, but fades quickly, very much depends on his mood and attitude whether or not he fancies turning up.

If anything, I thought he was instrumental in Sunderland's great escape last season, so would hope that he's capable of sustained performances in the Prem.

As much as I thought he looked excellent at times for Sunderland last season, he got injured around April and didn't play a part in their run in when they picked up massively.

I actually forgot Sunderland were still in the prem when I was thinking of teams that would struggle with us this season, they'll be down there yet again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Think Zarate and Kouyate will be good signings for them, interesting to see how Cresswell gets on in the topflight too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Daily Mail reporting that the fee for Ki is around £6m. So with the wages and deals for Richardson, Cole and Senderos we have about £1m left of our £10m budget. Or is it £15m now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 14, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Daily Mail reporting that the fee for Ki is around £6m. So with the wages and deals for Richardson, Cole and Senderos we have about £1m left of our £10m budget. Or is it £15m now?

Seems a touch in the high side considering he doesn't seem to be in favour there and is in the last year of his contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Daily Mail reporting that the fee for Ki is around £6m. So with the wages and deals for Richardson, Cole and Senderos we have about £1m left of our £10m budget. Or is it £15m now?
Ki cost 6 mill originally and is in his final year, and seemingly unfancied. I reckon, which I think Kendrick mentioned, that we'd be looking at 3 mill tops to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2014, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Daily Mail reporting that the fee for Ki is around £6m. So with the wages and deals for Richardson, Cole and Senderos we have about £1m left of our £10m budget. Or is it £15m now?
Ki cost 6 mill originally and is in his final year, and seemingly unfancied. I reckon, which I think Kendrick mentioned, that we'd be looking at 3 mill tops to be honest.

phew, that's a relief. Still room for some more new players. Now if only we could shift Hutton and Bent...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2014, 08:07:05 PM
I can't see Bent going anywhere until January at the earliest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 14, 2014, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
I think you are more likely to see Ki, Delph and Cole at home with Westwood having to earn a place back. Time will tell, and it seems there is a bit to go yet to even get Ki here.

He could take KEA's place alongside Westwood and Delph on the right of the midfield trio Lambert has previously favoured.  One of PL's biggest priorities this season is to find a formation that works at home.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2014, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2014, 08:07:05 PM
I can't see Bent going anywhere until January at the earliest.
Giving the dearth of reasonable cheap front men out there, it wouldn't hurt for us to use Benty till then. As an impact player on the bench to nick the odd goal, he could do alright.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
No way will it be that high. £3mil I reckon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
No way will it be that high. £3mil I reckon.


£6M is nothing these days in the crazy world of the Premier League. £50M for David Luiz?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2014, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 14, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
No way will it be that high. £3mil I reckon.


£6M is nothing these days in the crazy world of the Premier League. £50M for David Luiz?

I don't think Fulham did us any favours either by buying Ross Mack for 11 million.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 14, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
No way will it be that high. £3mil I reckon.


£6M is nothing these days in the crazy world of the Premier League. £50M for David Luiz?

Which still isn't as bizarre at £11m for Ross McCormack
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 14, 2014, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Which still isn't as bizarre at £11m for Ross McCormack

Who the fuck is Alice Ross McCormack?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: spangley1812 on July 14, 2014, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 14, 2014, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Which still isn't as bizarre at £11m for Ross McCormack

Who the fuck is Alice Ross McCormack?

One of the leading goal scorers in the country last season.....scored over 30 goals for Leeds in the Championship and has just signed for Fulham
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: treeve1 on July 14, 2014, 09:55:08 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on July 14, 2014, 04:57:10 PM
When Sunderland came to VP last season we played out a 0-0, but he was far and away the best player on the pitch. My old man kept picking him out, and we're both very excited about us signing 'that Jap lad' who really impressed us.

Anything to bolster holding midfield is much needed, and he's a quality player.

Totally agree, he was clearly the best player on the pitch and me and my old man said exactly the same - he'd be useful in our team. I'll be very pleased if we get him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 14, 2014, 10:21:18 PM
I thought it was an error on the BBC website when they quoted £11m.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 14, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
Yeah, that's relegated Fulham spending £11M.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 14, 2014, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 14, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
Yeah, that's relegated Fulham spending £11M.....
That's astonishing ! Is the decimal place in the right place ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 14, 2014, 11:25:14 PM
The same Fulham who spent 9 or 10m on a Greek player last year and he didn't even play.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 15, 2014, 01:09:56 AM
West Ham interested in Delph according to the Express and Star! It had to come.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2014, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on July 15, 2014, 01:09:56 AM
West Ham interested in Delph according to the Express and Star! It had to come.

Three days ago. They denied it hours later.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 15, 2014, 01:15:55 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2014, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on July 15, 2014, 01:09:56 AM
West Ham interested in Delph according to the Express and Star! It had to come.

Three days ago. They denied it hours later.


Phew! Thanks Dave, only saw it reported today on Facebook. I can go to bed peacefully now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 05:20:09 AM
according to some on VT we have not made an approach for Ki
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 05:20:09 AM
according to some on VT we have not made an approach for Ki

Given that it's most of the nationals now, you'd like to think that the club would have denied it if it wasn't true. Then again...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 15, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 05:20:09 AM
according to some on VT we have not made an approach for Ki

but according to twitter we have.....:)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 15, 2014, 09:16:50 AM
Some Asian newspaper is saying his agent has denied that we have made contact with the player. That might be because Swansea haven't accepted our bid yet, or it was bollocks from the start.

I want us to sign him, which means it won't happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 15, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 05:20:09 AM
according to some on VT we have not made an approach for Ki

Given that it's most of the nationals now, you'd like to think that the club would have denied it if it wasn't true. Then again...

I guess that should have been in response to the Delph to West Ham.

West Ham have already denied it, there's a link a few pages back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2014, 09:24:35 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 15, 2014, 09:16:50 AM
Some Asian newspaper is saying his agent has denied that we have made contact with the player. That might be because Swansea haven't accepted our bid yet, or it was bollocks from the start.

I want us to sign him, which means it won't happen.

Yeah kind of in your boat. Looking at the quotes from the rent a mouth Jenkins (just like Whelan, seems to have to comment on everything) Swansea don't want to sell and Sunderland may well be interested if they do. Can't see us getting him in our current position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 15, 2014, 09:31:00 AM
I know it's 'only paper talk' but according to the Daily Mail the Ki deal is 'on the verge of being done'.
 [Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2691948/Ki-Sung-yeung-verge-signing-Aston-Villa-Swansea-6million.html)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 15, 2014, 09:31:16 AM
Nothing concrete on Bendtner, but BT were reporting a couple of days ago that his agent was talking to Frankfurt, Hull, Stoke and us.

Frankfurt have been linked with him in just about every transfer window over the last couple of years, have now said that they had been negotiating with him, but that they've dropped it.

BT are saying that "as ever with Bendtner, it's his wage expectations that are the problem."

As an aside, he was co-commentator for the final on Sunday. He maker Lawrenson and Shearer sound like tactical geniuses.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 09:51:24 AM
If wages are the stumbling block with Bendtner, that will hopefully rule us out IF there is any interest. I would also suspect that Bent would need to be moved-on before another striker is brought in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 15, 2014, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 09:51:24 AM
If wages are the stumbling block with Bendtner, that will hopefully rule us out IF there is any interest. I would also suspect that Bent would need to be moved-on before another striker is brought in.

Agree that I would hope it rules us out.

I don't know how much of a difference there is (if any) between wage levels in the PL and Bundesliga.  If we're unlucky an unacceptable wage for Frankfurt might be reasonable for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
It was always Sampdoria for me growing up due to the Platt and Gullit connection.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2014, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.

I hated Sampdoria from the minute Trevor Francis joined them and I still do for some illogical reason.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:21:41 AM
I went to watch Sampdoria v Milan a few years ago and it is a very English style stadium and atmosphere. Genoa has a nice feel about it as a city too. Plus, like Paulie, Sampdoria's kit has always been my favourite non-Villa kit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
I see that Julie whatshername is still going on about Kiyotake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2014, 11:27:17 AM
Probably saw we were linked with Ki...she stopped reading and went off on one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
I think Roma are having a new stadium built. I may be wrong though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2014, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.
Parma for me. The wife used to live there and went to watch them fairly regularly - their mid/late 90s side is something to behold:

Buffon, Thuram, Sensini, Cannavaro, Baggio, Veron, Nakata, Chiesa, Crespo, Balbo, Zola, Stoichkov, Asprilla and Adriano all passing through the team in the space of a few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2014, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
I see that Julie whatshername is still going on about Kiyotake.

Bloody hell, is she still wobbling on about him? She needs help.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2014, 12:29:35 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
I think Roma are having a new stadium built. I may be wrong though.

Well, the main stadium in Rome is nearly two thousand years old so could probably do with an update.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 15, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
I think Roma are having a new stadium built. I may be wrong though.

Yep, they are.

Vlaar would be mad not to go there if they came in for him, really think they're on the verge of achieving something great with Garcia. Probably just made up rumours though as they'll need a CB when they sell Benatia.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.

I've been to watch Milan a few times.  Actually contemplating a Sampdoria trip in October. 
Have you been there?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 15, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
Wasn't Sampdoria where Prince of the Porkers went? Or was that Florence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 02:06:40 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.

I've been to watch Milan a few times.  Actually contemplating a Sampdoria trip in October. 
Have you been there?

I've been to Genoa - nice city - but not to see Sampdoria play.

The grounds I've been to over there are Fiorentina, San Siro and the San Paolo (Napoli). I'd strongly recommend Napoli if you ever get the chance to see a game down there. Nuts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
I went to see Sampdoria v Milan a few years ago. I think it was the 08/09 season. Sampdoria won 1-0, Pazzini scoring, and Beckham was playing for Milan.

Got tickets online, in advance, for about 40 euros. The stadium inside is a bit of a dump, but great atmosphere made mainly by the flag-waving ultras in the home-end and the flare throwing visiting fans.

Genoa itself is nice, if a bit quiet. Like most port-towns it's a mix of seediness and sophistication, but actually feels quite small for a city. Would definitely recommend it for a couple of days though,
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on July 15, 2014, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2014, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.
Parma for me. The wife used to live there and went to watch them fairly regularly - their mid/late 90s side is something to behold:

Buffon, Thuram, Sensini, Cannavaro, Baggio, Veron, Nakata, Chiesa, Crespo, Balbo, Zola, Stoichkov, Asprilla and Adriano all passing through the team in the space of a few years.

Thomas Brolin don't forget
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 02:26:38 PM
I remember us being linked to Johan Micoud from Parma for what seemed like the whole of John Gregory's time at the club. Also a quality player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
Brolin was dire in the PL . Voted by The Times as the second worse player ever in the Premiership. Now looks like a Telly tubby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on July 15, 2014, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
Brolin was dire in the PL . Voted by The Times as the second worse player ever in the Premiership. Now looks like a Telly tubby.

Absolutely - went totally off the rails after World Cup 94. Very happy Leeds signed him in time for the League Cup final. He was woeful
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
I went to see Sampdoria v Milan a few years ago. I think it was the 08/09 season. Sampdoria won 1-0, Pazzini scoring, and Beckham was playing for Milan.

Got tickets online, in advance, for about 40 euros. The stadium inside is a bit of a dump, but great atmosphere made mainly by the flag-waving ultras in the home-end and the flare throwing visiting fans.

Genoa itself is nice, if a bit quiet. Like most port-towns it's a mix of seediness and sophistication, but actually feels quite small for a city. Would definitely recommend it for a couple of days though,

Was it expensive to drink?  Sounds a bit like Dusseldorf!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
I went to see Sampdoria v Milan a few years ago. I think it was the 08/09 season. Sampdoria won 1-0, Pazzini scoring, and Beckham was playing for Milan.

Got tickets online, in advance, for about 40 euros. The stadium inside is a bit of a dump, but great atmosphere made mainly by the flag-waving ultras in the home-end and the flare throwing visiting fans.

Genoa itself is nice, if a bit quiet. Like most port-towns it's a mix of seediness and sophistication, but actually feels quite small for a city. Would definitely recommend it for a couple of days though,

Was it expensive to drink?  Sounds a bit like Dusseldorf!

Not overly. To be honest, there wan't a massive amount of nightlife. One side-street with a few bars and a couple of small nightclubs. More of a restaurant culture than a drinking one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
I went to see Sampdoria v Milan a few years ago. I think it was the 08/09 season. Sampdoria won 1-0, Pazzini scoring, and Beckham was playing for Milan.

Got tickets online, in advance, for about 40 euros. The stadium inside is a bit of a dump, but great atmosphere made mainly by the flag-waving ultras in the home-end and the flare throwing visiting fans.

Genoa itself is nice, if a bit quiet. Like most port-towns it's a mix of seediness and sophistication, but actually feels quite small for a city. Would definitely recommend it for a couple of days though,

Was it expensive to drink?  Sounds a bit like Dusseldorf!

Not overly. To be honest, there wan't a massive amount of nightlife. One side-street with a few bars and a couple of small nightclubs. More of a restaurant culture than a drinking one.

Ah right.  Might give it a miss then!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2014, 04:51:05 PM
Villa fly out to America shortly, be great to have another signing sorted so he can be bedded in with his team mates. Doesn't look like it will be Ki, really need a defensive midfielder. I wonder if the Ki interest has been slipped to unsettle him. I'm sure he'd rather play for us. I fancy Swansea to struggle this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 15, 2014, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 15, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Roma apparently interested in Ron? Hopefully just idle media speculation

I've never thought that either of the Rome Clubs would be a particularly appealing move to a top player. The Stadio Olimpico is one of those stadiums with a huge running-track around the pitch, making it a bit of a strange atmosphere. Plus, both sets of fans are a bit unpleasant.

Personally, if I had to play in italy, (and I'd prefer to play in England, Spain or Germany before that) I'd be looking at Juve or either Milan clubs first, or- if I was nearing retirement age- somewhere like Fiorentina.

Luckily for me, I don't have such tough decisions to make.

I've always fancied playing for Sampdoria. Less fashionable but quite a cool club.

Really liked them growing up when they had Gullit, Platt, Lombardo, Signori and Mancini.

Also, their stadium is very English style.

The only Italian teams I keep an eye out for are Milan and Fiorentina, as they're both clubs I've been to see play a few times whilst staying / living in those cities. However, I do have a bit of a soft spot for Sampdoria, too.

Also worthy of note with Sampdoria is their cool kits.

I don't know about Sampdoria but Genoa is very English overall. Or to give it its full name, Genoa Cricket & Football Club. Pretty interesting history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa_C.F.C.#History

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Milan started off as a "Football and Cricket Club" too.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 15, 2014, 05:13:00 PM
Oh wow. Never knew that. I really enjoy Serie A whenever I get a chance to watch. Love the slower pace and more tactical approach.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on July 15, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Milan started off as a "Football and Cricket Club" too.

I might be wrong here, but I think in Italy AC Milan are referred to as 'Milan' rather than 'Milano' as a nod to the English origins of the club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Left Side on July 15, 2014, 07:11:29 PM
Don't they have the St. George's flag in there badge as well?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on July 15, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
Quote from: The Left Side on July 15, 2014, 07:11:29 PM
Don't they have the St. George's flag in there badge as well?

Yes.  Sort of.  Its the flag of Milan, which is a St Georges cross.  But it isn't there because of the English founders.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 15, 2014, 07:31:15 PM
Quote from: dekko on July 15, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Milan started off as a "Football and Cricket Club" too.

I might be wrong here, but I think in Italy AC Milan are referred to as 'Milan' rather than 'Milano' as a nod to the English origins of the club.


Athletic rather than athletico for Bilbao I believe is the same sort of thing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: dekko on July 15, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Milan started off as a "Football and Cricket Club" too.

I might be wrong here, but I think in Italy AC Milan are referred to as 'Milan' rather than 'Milano' as a nod to the English origins of the club.

It's actually their name, not just something they are referred to as.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
That's because they were founded by Brits so chose a British-sounding name.

They were forceably renamed "Atletico" in the Spanish style by Franco but changed it back pretty much as soon as he was brown bread.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 15, 2014, 09:05:21 PM
The flag of Milan is nothing to do with St George or England. The red cross on white is also the flag/symbol of St Ambrose, patron saint of Milan.

Miners from the North East (of England) figured heavily in the formation of Athletic Bilbao, hence the Sunderland -like kit.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Rexy on July 15, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
No. They were sailors from Sunderland who landed some cargo in Bilbao and played football whist the cargo was being unloaded. They sent shirts and stuff over after getting a few local types involved in a game on the docks. Similar story with Juve and Notts County. Athletik (in Basque) have always played the most 'englsh' game in La Liga as they constantly refer back to their roots. Wingers and a big man up front are an almost constant feature of thier teams.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:14:55 PM
Ki not a lost cause then  ( lost Ki ?...never mind ! ) , according to the Telegraph article on Hutton :

By John Percy

6:48PM BST 15 Jul 2014
Villa are pressing ahead with their bid to sign Swansea midfielder Ki Sung-Yueng and would ideally like to agree a deal before the weekend.

Ki has one year left on his contract at Swansea and Lambert wants to make the South Korea international his fourth signing of the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 15, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: N'Rexy on July 15, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
No. They were sailors from Sunderland who landed some cargo in Bilbao and played football whist the cargo was being unloaded. They sent shirts and stuff over after getting a few local types involved in a game on the docks. Similar story with Juve and Notts County. Athletik (in Basque) have always played the most 'englsh' game in La Liga as they constantly refer back to their roots. Wingers and a big man up front are an almost constant feature of thier teams.

Although they don't have any links to clubs or colours, Shaktar Donetsk have roots as a team founded by British miners who worked and settled in the area.  I seem to recall that their name has a reference to miners in it. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
Brolin was dire in the PL . Voted by The Times as the second worse player ever in the Premiership. Now looks like a Telly tubby.
Who was the first? Must be a close choice between Djemba-Djemba and Bosko Balaban?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
Tomas Brolin
Football player
Weight: 74 kg


That can't be correct
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2014, 10:34:59 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 15, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: N'Rexy on July 15, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
No. They were sailors from Sunderland who landed some cargo in Bilbao and played football whist the cargo was being unloaded. They sent shirts and stuff over after getting a few local types involved in a game on the docks. Similar story with Juve and Notts County. Athletik (in Basque) have always played the most 'englsh' game in La Liga as they constantly refer back to their roots. Wingers and a big man up front are an almost constant feature of thier teams.

Although they don't have any links to clubs or colours, Shaktar Donetsk have roots as a team founded by British miners who worked and settled in the area.  I seem to recall that their name has a reference to miners in it. 
Speaking of roots of clubs, I believe Birmingham City's roots stem from two manure merchants, a ouija board and mistakenly summoning the anti-christ.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2014, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
Tomas Brolin
Football player
Weight: 74 kg


That can't be correct
Which leg?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 15, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 15, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: N'Rexy on July 15, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
No. They were sailors from Sunderland who landed some cargo in Bilbao and played football whist the cargo was being unloaded. They sent shirts and stuff over after getting a few local types involved in a game on the docks. Similar story with Juve and Notts County. Athletik (in Basque) have always played the most 'englsh' game in La Liga as they constantly refer back to their roots. Wingers and a big man up front are an almost constant feature of thier teams.

Although they don't have any links to clubs or colours, Shaktar Donetsk have roots as a team founded by British miners who worked and settled in the area.  I seem to recall that their name has a reference to miners in it. 

Not sure about the team, but the actual city was founded by a Welshman.

T'was called Hughesgrad, or summat similar in its early years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on July 15, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
Tomas Brolin
Football player
Weight: 74 kg


That can't be correct

Obviously discounted his ego....either that or he was really 3ft 3in tall
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on July 15, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 15, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 15, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: N'Rexy on July 15, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
No. They were sailors from Sunderland who landed some cargo in Bilbao and played football whist the cargo was being unloaded. They sent shirts and stuff over after getting a few local types involved in a game on the docks. Similar story with Juve and Notts County. Athletik (in Basque) have always played the most 'englsh' game in La Liga as they constantly refer back to their roots. Wingers and a big man up front are an almost constant feature of thier teams.

Although they don't have any links to clubs or colours, Shaktar Donetsk have roots as a team founded by British miners who worked and settled in the area.  I seem to recall that their name has a reference to miners in it. 

Not sure about the team, but the actual city was founded by a Welshman.

T'was called Hughesgrad, or summat similar in its early years.

Hugheskova. The Manics have a song on their new album named after it. Shaktar means miner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 15, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
Tomas Brolin
Football player
Weight: 274 kg


That can't be correct

Fixed
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2014, 12:08:48 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on July 15, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 15, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 15, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: N'Rexy on July 15, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
No. They were sailors from Sunderland who landed some cargo in Bilbao and played football whist the cargo was being unloaded. They sent shirts and stuff over after getting a few local types involved in a game on the docks. Similar story with Juve and Notts County. Athletik (in Basque) have always played the most 'englsh' game in La Liga as they constantly refer back to their roots. Wingers and a big man up front are an almost constant feature of thier teams.

Although they don't have any links to clubs or colours, Shaktar Donetsk have roots as a team founded by British miners who worked and settled in the area.  I seem to recall that their name has a reference to miners in it. 

Not sure about the team, but the actual city was founded by a Welshman.

T'was called Hughesgrad, or summat similar in its early years.

Hugheskova. The Manics have a song on their new album named after it. Shaktar means miner.

That's the chap.

A number of Jocks were pivotal in the creation of St Petersburg, and the first Russian Naval fleet, but those type of connections seem to get airbrushed from Russian history for some weird reason.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:14:55 PM
Ki not a lost cause then  ( lost Ki ?...never mind ! ) , according to the Telegraph article on Hutton :

By John Percy

6:48PM BST 15 Jul 2014
Villa are pressing ahead with their bid to sign Swansea midfielder Ki Sung-Yueng and would ideally like to agree a deal before the weekend.

Ki has one year left on his contract at Swansea and Lambert wants to make the South Korea international his fourth signing of the summer.


I do wonder about this. Percy was the one journalist reporting that the takeover was a done deal until recently and has had to eat his words somewhat
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2014, 07:06:51 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 15, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
I think Roma are having a new stadium built. I may be wrong though.

Yep, they are.

Vlaar would be mad not to go there if they came in for him, really think they're on the verge of achieving something great with Garcia. Probably just made up rumours though as they'll need a CB when they sell Benatia.

He certainly would. All the above plus you get to live in Rome.

I just think we need to be unreasonable and not let him leave. I really think we're down if he leaves
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2014, 07:08:43 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 15, 2014, 09:31:00 AM
I know it's 'only paper talk' but according to the Daily Mail the Ki deal is 'on the verge of being done'.
 [Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2691948/Ki-Sung-yeung-verge-signing-Aston-Villa-Swansea-6million.html)

It also says £6m which undermines the credibility a bit
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brian Taylor on July 16, 2014, 08:21:07 AM
Wayne Rooney and Coleen staying here for a while.. Roman's little gaff. yhihf.

http://www.bornrich.com/mardan-palace-europe-s-most-expensive-hotel-where-champagne-costs-25-a-glass.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 16, 2014, 11:15:57 AM
Todays press linking Benteke with Newcastle and Vlaar moving to QPR for £4m??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 16, 2014, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 16, 2014, 11:15:57 AM
Todays press linking Benteke with Newcastle and Vlaar moving to QPR for £4m??

We should remind them that we haven't actually been relegated.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 16, 2014, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 16, 2014, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 16, 2014, 11:15:57 AM
Todays press linking Benteke with Newcastle and Vlaar moving to QPR for £4m??

We should remind them that we haven't actually been relegated.

I actually wouldn't be surprised with either deal anymore. Money talks and all :(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on July 16, 2014, 11:38:41 AM
Money does talk, but Newcastle don't have enough money to even begin talking about signing Benteke. Nor is £4m enough for Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 12:04:05 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 16, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:14:55 PM
Ki not a lost cause then  ( lost Ki ?...never mind ! ) , according to the Telegraph article on Hutton :

By John Percy

6:48PM BST 15 Jul 2014
Villa are pressing ahead with their bid to sign Swansea midfielder Ki Sung-Yueng and would ideally like to agree a deal before the weekend.

Ki has one year left on his contract at Swansea and Lambert wants to make the South Korea international his fourth signing of the summer.


I do wonder about this. Percy was the one journalist reporting that the takeover was a done deal until recently and has had to eat his words somewhat

He is 'Admin' and I claim my £5.00.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 16, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
Vlaar is worth, even with 12 months on his deal left, over 12 million following his world cup exploits. As such, I doubt he will be going anywhere, and certainly not to the twitchy nettle licker.

Benteke - would not even pass a medical at the moment, so that story is copmplete rubbish, and if he could pass a medical, would still be worth £25 million when you look at the prices being paid for the likes of Lallana and Lovren.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 16, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
Vlaar is worth, even with 12 months on his deal left, over 12 million following his world cup exploits. As such, I doubt he will be going anywhere, and certainly not to the twitchy nettle licker.

Benteke - would not even pass a medical at the moment, so that story is copmplete rubbish, and if he could pass a medical, would still be worth £25 million when you look at the prices being paid for the likes of Lallana and Lovren.

For me Vlaar's value should be calculated either by what relegation would cost us, or what we would need to spend to find a direct replacement. I think even £12m would be a bit too light.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kiddylion on July 16, 2014, 12:19:22 PM
Stewart Downing passed a medical on crutches
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 16, 2014, 12:23:50 PM
On what planet will Newcastle come and take our best player? Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
downing played like he was on crutches most of the time
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 16, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 16, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
downing played like he was on crutches most of the time

apart from when he was our player of the season you mean ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 16, 2014, 12:23:50 PM
On what planet will Newcastle come and take our best player? Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

It does sound a bit far fetched.

However, I struggle to think of a club showing less ambition than us in the top flight of late.

I wouldn't hitch my career to that wagon if I were a player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2014, 12:33:34 PM
Benteke to Newcastle though? Its barely even worth typing the scorn.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 16, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 16, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 16, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
downing played like he was on crutches most of the time

apart from when he was our player of the season you mean ?

He was as much player of the year that year as Messi was player of the World Cup, the big stinking shitout.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
People regard Newcastle as being a badly run club, and shambolic behind the scenes but they're putting together a pretty impressive squad together.

Players like Siem De Jong and Darryl Janmaat are exactly the type of players that we should be able to attract IMO. If they can find a regular goal-scorer this summer (surprised they're not looking to keep Remy) they should be looking at top 8 next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 16, 2014, 12:23:50 PM
On what planet will Newcastle come and take our best player? Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

It does sound a bit far fetched.

However, I struggle to think of a club showing less ambition than us in the top flight of late.

I wouldn't hitch my career to that wagon if I were a player.

It's not up to the player. It's up to us. We've already shown that he'll only be sold when we want to sell him.

It's complete rubbish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 16, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 16, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 16, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
downing played like he was on crutches most of the time

apart from when he was our player of the season you mean ?

He was as much player of the year that year as Messi was player of the World Cup, the big stinking shitout.

sorry as much as I loathe to say it....he was :(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
People regard Newcastle as being a badly run club, and shambolic behind the scenes but they're putting together a pretty impressive squad together.

Players like Siem De Jong and Darryl Janmaat are exactly the type of players that we should be able to attract IMO. If they can find a regular goal-scorer this summer (surprised they're not looking to keep Remy) they should be looking at top 8 next season.

like they did last season ?  it's only going to go one way for the self titled "greatest fans in the world......down hill...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 16, 2014, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 16, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
Vlaar is worth, even with 12 months on his deal left, over 12 million following his world cup exploits. As such, I doubt he will be going anywhere, and certainly not to the twitchy nettle licker.

Benteke - would not even pass a medical at the moment, so that story is copmplete rubbish, and if he could pass a medical, would still be worth £25 million when you look at the prices being paid for the likes of Lallana and Lovren.

For me Vlaar's value should be calculated either by what relegation would cost us, or what we would need to spend to find a direct replacement. I think even £12m would be a bit too light.


The Vlaar ' speculation ' came from the FULHAM CHRONICLE .....Nuff said ! .................Godzvilla!
" QPR are set to bid £4million for Aston Villa's Ron Vlaar as the ideal partner for Rio Ferdinand "   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2014, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 16, 2014, 12:23:50 PM
On what planet will Newcastle come and take our best player? Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

It does sound a bit far fetched.

However, I struggle to think of a club showing less ambition than us in the top flight of late.

I wouldn't hitch my career to that wagon if I were a player.

It's not up to the player. It's up to us. We've already shown that he'll only be sold when we want to sell him.

It's complete rubbish.

I was talking about whether the player would be interested rather than whether we'd sell.

Although to be honest, there's currently absolutely nothing in the way we are being run that makes me very confident.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
People regard Newcastle as being a badly run club, and shambolic behind the scenes but they're putting together a pretty impressive squad together.

Players like Siem De Jong and Darryl Janmaat are exactly the type of players that we should be able to attract IMO. If they can find a regular goal-scorer this summer (surprised they're not looking to keep Remy) they should be looking at top 8 next season.

like they did last season ?  it's only going to go one way for the self titled "greatest fans in the world......down hill...

No, not like last season. My point was about next season and the players they're buying now to improve them. Collback, Cabella, De Jong and Janmaat will make them much stronger and, I would bet, comfortably above us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
People regard Newcastle as being a badly run club, and shambolic behind the scenes but they're putting together a pretty impressive squad together.

Players like Siem De Jong and Darryl Janmaat are exactly the type of players that we should be able to attract IMO. If they can find a regular goal-scorer this summer (surprised they're not looking to keep Remy) they should be looking at top 8 next season.

like they did last season ?  it's only going to go one way for the self titled "greatest fans in the world......down hill...

No, not like last season. My point was about next season and the players they're buying now to improve them. Collback, Cabella, De Jong and Janmaat will make them much stronger and, I would bet, comfortably above us.
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Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
People regard Newcastle as being a badly run club, and shambolic behind the scenes but they're putting together a pretty impressive squad together.

Players like Siem De Jong and Darryl Janmaat are exactly the type of players that we should be able to attract IMO. If they can find a regular goal-scorer this summer (surprised they're not looking to keep Remy) they should be looking at top 8 next season.

like they did last season ?  it's only going to go one way for the self titled "greatest fans in the world......down hill...

No, not like last season. My point was about next season and the players they're buying now to improve them. Collback, Cabella, De Jong and Janmaat will make them much stronger and, I would bet, comfortably above us.

they may prove to be good signings and they might and maybe should finish above us......but while Pardew the twat is in charge my money would be on a struggle...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 16, 2014, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

very good :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

I'm amazed the 'World Cup star' Shola Ameobi hasn't been snapped up yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

I'm amazed the 'World Cup star' Shola Ameobi hasn't been snapped up yet.

I'm more 'concerned' than 'amazed'!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 16, 2014, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

I'm amazed the 'World Cup star' Shola Ameobi hasn't been snapped up yet.

I'm more 'concerned' than 'amazed'!
I'm sure Lambert will get round to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

I'm amazed the 'World Cup star' Shola Ameobi hasn't been snapped up yet.
Signing for Hull apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on July 16, 2014, 03:27:07 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

I'm amazed the 'World Cup star' Shola Ameobi hasn't been snapped up yet.
Signing for Hull apparently.

There is a God after all!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 16, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 16, 2014, 03:27:07 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I hope you're right (and you're definitely right) about Pardew, but they are good signings. You've also got to factor in the improvement that'll be made by losing Shola Ameobi.

I'm amazed the 'World Cup star' Shola Ameobi hasn't been snapped up yet.
Signing for Hull apparently.

There is a God after all!
Yes and he's called Bruce!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 16, 2014, 04:10:00 PM
Chelsea have now signed every single current player who has ever played in the Champions League and then loaned out 95% of them. Feels like.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
Now apparently were in for one of the greatest World Cup heroes of all time.

Step forward the all conquering Roger Milla.

Only the absolute confirmation of his real birth date by DNA  & carbon dating stands in the way of securing this deal.

Rumour has it that this should in fact be  12/7/86

1886 that is!

Looks like it's a done deal then.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 16, 2014, 04:43:42 PM
It's the way you tell  'em!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
Now apparently were in for one of the greatest World Cup heroes of all time.

Step forward the all conquering Roger Milla.

Only the absolute confirmation of his real birth date by DNA  & carbon dating stands in the way of securing this deal.

Rumour has it that this should in fact be  12/7/86

1886 that is!

Looks like it's a done deal then.



Makelele, now Milla - are we going to have a new version of the same joke every day for the rest of the window?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
Now apparently were in for one of the greatest World Cup heroes of all time.

Step forward the all conquering Roger Milla.

Only the absolute confirmation of his real birth date by DNA  & carbon dating stands in the way of securing this deal.

Rumour has it that this should in fact be  12/7/86

1886 that is!

Looks like it's a done deal then.



Makelele, now Milla - are we going to have a new version of the same joke every day for the rest of the window?

Come on, nobody laughed the first time he told the joke, you at least have to give him credit for giving people the chance to not laugh at it again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 04:55:01 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
Now apparently were in for one of the greatest World Cup heroes of all time.

Step forward the all conquering Roger Milla.

Only the absolute confirmation of his real birth date by DNA  & carbon dating stands in the way of securing this deal.

Rumour has it that this should in fact be  12/7/86

1886 that is!

Looks like it's a done deal then.



(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110222020928/annoyingorange/images/2/2f/Tumbleweed.gif)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
Now apparently were in for one of the greatest World Cup heroes of all time.

Step forward the all conquering Roger Milla.

Only the absolute confirmation of his real birth date by DNA  & carbon dating stands in the way of securing this deal.

Rumour has it that this should in fact be  12/7/86

1886 that is!

Looks like it's a done deal then.



Cheers. Don't keep in touch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 05:14:02 PM
Has anybody done the Carlton Palmer, Steve Bull or Hans Krankl one yet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
Now apparently were in for one of the greatest World Cup heroes of all time.

Step forward the all conquering Roger Milla.

Only the absolute confirmation of his real birth date by DNA  & carbon dating stands in the way of securing this deal.

Rumour has it that this should in fact be  12/7/86

1886 that is!

Looks like it's a done deal then.



Let's be honest, it's not working out between us, is it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
Give him one more chance. It might be us, not him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2014, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
Give him one more chance. It might be us, not him.

I'm going to ban him. Banned. Goodbye. Oh I'm impotent. Darn.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
A poll has been added.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2014, 06:52:57 PM
admin obviously.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
I think the humour is too clever for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 07:11:51 PM
I responded to the poll still in my terribly supportive and understanding work mode. Well, all right, inclusive even of the most challenged.

Regretting it already.
God, how I wish I'd waited till holidays kicked in.  A vote with more evil is indicated.

Can we have another vote later on?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 07:11:51 PM

Can we have another vote later on?

Can we have a vote on whether or not we should have a vote later on?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Has the Milla transfer rumour been confirmed by two sources? I'm not getting excited about it until it has.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery

I dispute the word "imagined".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery

I dispute the word "imagined".

So would I if I knew what dispute meant. I'm dead cleverer then ne1 else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 07:34:46 PM
 I think you are imagining it. If not appeal it to the court of human rights.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)

What the fuck do you know about funny?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)

What the fuck do you know about funny?

Your own posting style should tell you. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)

What the fuck do you know about funny?

Your own posting style should tell you. ;)

Bloody repeats!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)

What the fuck do you know about funny?

Your own posting style should tell you. ;)

Bloody repeats!

See what I mean?  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 07:11:51 PM

Can we have another vote later on?

Can we have a vote on whether or not we should have a vote later on?

*sigh* democracy in action
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2014, 07:59:34 PM
Quote
Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

John Pilger posts on H&V?   Rejoice!

One point though: There are a whole host of threads already devoted to our demise so you might be preaching to the converted. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2014, 08:01:23 PM
I prefer londonboy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 08:06:32 PM
I prefer Londongirl ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2014, 08:08:02 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:06:32 PM
I prefer Londongirl ;)

Don't wink at me then laddie
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Has the Milla transfer rumour been confirmed by two sources? I'm not getting excited about it until it has.

Yes. Been confirmed now by his 176 year old dad & a positive carbon dating test result from Professor Einstein's laboratory.

Will be paraded around the Bull Ring on an open top bus before the team fly out to America this weekend.

Milla's bus pass means the ride is free. ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Has the Milla transfer rumour been confirmed by two sources? I'm not getting excited about it until it has.

Yes. Been confirmed now by his 176 year old dad & a positive carbon dating test result from Professor Einstein's laboratory.

Will be paraded around the Bull Ring on an open top bus before the team fly out to America this weekend.

Milla's bus pass means the ride is free. ;D

No problem about Dad.
But Einstein is dead.  Have you got a library card?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Has the Milla transfer rumour been confirmed by two sources? I'm not getting excited about it until it has.

Yes. Been confirmed now by his 176 year old dad & a positive carbon dating test result from Professor Einstein's laboratory.

Will be paraded around the Bull Ring on an open top bus before the team fly out to America this weekend.

Milla's bus pass means the ride is free. ;D

No problem about Dad.
But Einstein is dead.  Have you got a library card?

Yes. The Professor kindly left it to me in his will. ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Has the Milla transfer rumour been confirmed by two sources? I'm not getting excited about it until it has.

Yes. Been confirmed now by his 176 year old dad & a positive carbon dating test result from Professor Einstein's laboratory.

Will be paraded around the Bull Ring on an open top bus before the team fly out to America this weekend.

Milla's bus pass means the ride is free. ;D

No problem about Dad.
But Einstein is dead.  Have you got a library card?

Yes. The Professor kindly left it to me in his will. ;D


oooh, you owe £5, 876.002 for a copy of Lady Chatterley's Lover.

(edited after being interrupted - never a comfortable experience online or anywhere else)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Has the Milla transfer rumour been confirmed by two sources? I'm not getting excited about it until it has.

Yes. Been confirmed now by his 176 year old dad & a positive carbon dating test result from Professor Einstein's laboratory.

Will be paraded around the Bull Ring on an open top bus before the team fly out to America this weekend.

Milla's bus pass means the ride is free. ;D

No problem about Dad.
But Einstein is dead.  Have you got a library card?

Yes. The Professor kindly left it to me in his will. ;D


oooh, you owe £5, 876.002 for a copy of Lady Chatterley's Lover.

Yes I know. The current fines I have accumulated are now greater than the National Debt.

Fortunately Lady Chatterley's Lover takes care of the bailiffs every need when they call round to collect & the latest reminders are forwarded to an address at the Central Library no questions asked.

I also have an original copy of the Satanic Verses if any body is interested. The fine on that one is £3,007. 06 but I'm sure we can come to some agreement. :D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 16, 2014, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)

What the fuck do you know about funny?

Your own posting style should tell you. ;)

Bloody repeats!

Send him up here Percy - I am sure I can find someone who will be willing to have a chat with him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
I looked for, 'Blues - the agony and the ecstasy' but no dice.
Specifically, no ecstasy. Sorry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
I looked for, 'Blues - the agony and the ecstasy' but no dice.
Specifically, no ecstasy. Sorry.

Your looking in the wrong section of the Library.

Look under Well Known Turds or ask Karren on reception. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 16, 2014, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on July 16, 2014, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! That Troll Poll is hilarious & I simply love it.

Can I suggest you add a few further options?

Genuine Villa Fan who is totally dismayed with the current malaise at Villa Park & does not delude him self or others by living in total denial of our current predicament- Agree.

Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree

Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

You decide.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can argue all your points all you want mate, and no doubt get some sympathy on here. The only things I don't like about your posts are that they are mind-numbingly dull, soul-crushingly predictable and painfully unfunny. Apart from that etc. etc. etc.

Funny that because I based my posting style exactly on yours ;)

What the fuck do you know about funny?

Your own posting style should tell you. ;)

Bloody repeats!

Send him up here Percy - I am sure I can find someone who will be willing to have a chat with him

Would they be the same people that you got to talk to Percy then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2014, 09:00:43 PM
I almost miss villakicks. Almost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
VillaKicks came out with insane, but at least theoretically possible, transfer links, which could then be discussed/ridiculed to pass the time on a slow news day. This bloke is just a bit dull.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
I looked for, 'Blues - the agony and the ecstasy' but no dice.
Specifically, no ecstasy. Sorry.

Your looking in the wrong section of the Library.

Look under Well Known Turds or ask Karren on reception. ;)

Well, I checked the Dewey and :
There's:
Crime
Fairy Tales
Fantasy
Fiction
Historical Fiction
Horror
Local History
Mystery
Science Fiction
and
Sports


You're not suggesting I look under, 'teen fiction' are you?


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 16, 2014, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM


Mock him to protect our own imagined superiority & intellectual snobbery -  Agree


Wait. This sounds familiar. I thought you quit and went to TBAR?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
There's nothing imaginary - I am snobbish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Malandro on July 16, 2014, 08:01:23 PM
I prefer londonboy

I miss him. Lads we'll sign someone soon
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: silhillvilla on July 16, 2014, 09:47:29 PM
Kangaroo Court ?

Carls cousin , can play DCM. Sign.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Stu on July 16, 2014, 10:05:38 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 16, 2014, 07:59:34 PM
Quote
Ban him for speaking the truth about our demise so we can close our minds & ears to it, continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight then  kid our selves that we live in a land of democracy & freedom of speech. - Agree

John Pilger posts on H&V?   Rejoice!

One point though: There are a whole host of threads already devoted to our demise so you might be preaching to the converted. 

Yup.

The truth that we're signing Roger Milla?

Who is living in denial about Villa's current situation? Try and find one post from the last 6 months, on this site, saying that everything at the club is fine and that the current situation is acceptable.

I think the truth is that we're nowhere near a takeover and we're going to have to face a good few years as lower mid-table/relegation-strugglers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
This is horrible. I'm not sure he's a nose, I think he might just be a bit shit. Could we just quickly ban him and immediately forget about this horrible mess? Please?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 10:58:00 PM
I was going to vote 'urbane, witty, finger on the pulse - welcome him with open arms' but it's not an option. Surely some mistake?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2014, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
This is horrible. I'm not sure he's a nose, I think he might just be a bit shit. Could we just quickly ban him and immediately forget about this horrible mess? Please?

I feel sorry for Darren ambrose. Here we are discussing some pleb and nobody lays the welcome mat out. Improvement on Westwood?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2014, 11:22:04 PM
Still, any news on the Chamakh transfer from the OP?

Still time to alter my team for Mansfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 12:26:38 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 10:58:00 PM
I was going to vote 'urbane, witty, finger on the pulse - welcome him with open arms' but it's not an option. Surely some mistake?

What was you doing at the time? Looking in the mirror at one of your own posts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 17, 2014, 12:39:07 AM
Yeah Percy. Were you looking in the mirror whilst reading one of your own posts? This guy has your number.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2014, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 17, 2014, 12:39:07 AM
Yeah Percy. Were you looking in the mirror whilst reading one of your own posts? This guy has your number.

No, he was looking in the mirror AT one of his own posts. And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time imagining your own snobbery - snobbery that causes disagreement between fellow Villa fans, if you can imagine such a thing (which you can, given that you're already imagining your own snobbery. You snob). Percy's posts are always written backwards or see-through or upside-down or some fucking thing because everyone here knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Whatever happened to the lively banter and friendly atmosphere that existed on the internet for a brief time in spring 2014?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 17, 2014, 12:39:07 AM
Yeah Percy. Were you looking in the mirror whilst reading one of your own posts? This guy has your number.

No, he was looking in the mirror AT one of his own posts. And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time imagining your own snobbery - snobbery that causes disagreement between fellow Villa fans, if you can imagine such a thing (which you can, given that you're already imagining your own snobbery. You snob). Percy's posts are always written backwards or see-through or upside-down or some fucking thing because everyone here knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Whatever happened to the lively banter and friendly atmosphere that existed on the internet for a brief time in spring 2014?

Oh & I forgot to mention that Percy sees you stuck up his backside when he looks in the mirror too. I think it appears upside down or see through as you're posts are so transparent.

Posters always try to come to the rescue of their own little clique when they feel threatened. It is a sign of insecurity & xenophobia.

Me? I don't need any bodies help as I am more than capable of fighting my own corner.

I was the poster who was initially abused & incorrectly labelled a troll. You even designed your own little clannish poll as a sanctuary for your own little inner sanctum whose walls are so easily breached.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can all give it but you can't take it.

No surprise there then.

I have my opinion. You have yours.

Wow!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
Xenophobia?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 01:22:22 AM
Hmm.  No mentions of Altidore yet, but I am beginning to think Villa Kicked in the Head might be back in town.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 01:26:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 01:22:22 AM
Hmm.  No mentions of Altidore yet, but I am beginning to think Villa Kicked in the Head might be back in town.

What coz your his agent?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 01:26:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 01:22:22 AM
Hmm.  No mentions of Altidore yet, but I am beginning to think Villa Kicked in the Head might be back in town.

What coz your his agent?

What does coz mean? The site rules specifically state not to use text speak please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 02:01:43 AM
Correction: He's beginning to make VK look like Peter Ustinov.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 02:11:03 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 01:06:20 AM

 I don't need any bodies help


Are you absolutely sure? Can you get a doctor.to confirm that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Gareth on July 17, 2014, 02:12:08 AM
There were clearly more of those diaries sold (given away) than we thought....

Has Milla signed yet?? Come on Lambert don't 'let' anyone sign him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 02:13:17 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 01:26:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 01:22:22 AM
Hmm.  No mentions of Altidore yet, but I am beginning to think Villa Kicked in the Head might be back in town.

What coz your his agent?

You'd think he'd get this right sometimes. A fifty-fifty chance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: paulcomben on July 17, 2014, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 02:11:03 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 01:06:20 AM

 I don't need any bodies help


Are you absolutely sure? Can you get a doctor.to confirm that?

Or do you work in a morgue or an undertakers?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 17, 2014, 08:32:12 AM
I was going to write something witty and erudite but have had a crap week so will simply say ban him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 17, 2014, 08:47:21 AM
At the first mention of any 'clique' I automatically wonder which previously banned / left in a hissy fit poster it is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 17, 2014, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight
 

How do you sleep arrogantly?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: supertom on July 17, 2014, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 17, 2014, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 16, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
continue to sleep arrogantly in our beds tonight
 

How do you sleep arrogantly?
You spread out like a starfish but do so slightly to one side of the bed, in the arrogant belief that you're too cool to fall out of bed at night.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2014, 09:43:10 AM
OS. Okore: "I really do feel like a new signing"

Randy, that trick has a Doug Ellis patent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: john e on July 17, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: Malandro on July 17, 2014, 09:43:10 AM
OS. Okore: "I really do feel like a new signing"

Randy, that trick has a Doug Ellis patent.

Did he mention anything about being like a son to him ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 10:14:21 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 17, 2014, 12:39:07 AM
Yeah Percy. Were you looking in the mirror whilst reading one of your own posts? This guy has your number.

No, he was looking in the mirror AT one of his own posts. And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time imagining your own snobbery - snobbery that causes disagreement between fellow Villa fans, if you can imagine such a thing (which you can, given that you're already imagining your own snobbery. You snob). Percy's posts are always written backwards or see-through or upside-down or some fucking thing because everyone here knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Whatever happened to the lively banter and friendly atmosphere that existed on the internet for a brief time in spring 2014?

Oh & I forgot to mention that Percy sees you stuck up his backside when he looks in the mirror too. I think it appears upside down or see through as you're posts are so transparent.

Posters always try to come to the rescue of their own little clique when they feel threatened. It is a sign of insecurity & xenophobia.

Me? I don't need any bodies help as I am more than capable of fighting my own corner.

I was the poster who was initially abused & incorrectly labelled a troll. You even designed your own little clannish poll as a sanctuary for your own little inner sanctum whose walls are so easily breached.

Ha! Ha! Ha.

You can all give it but you can't take it.

No surprise there then.

I have my opinion. You have yours.

Wow!



If you are a nose, congratulations on the username. It doesn't give the slightest clue. It must be hard to laugh at Villa if you are a nose. Firstly as Small Heath are far more laughable and secondly it is hard to laugh when you are filled with anger and hate. As for the inner sanctum whose walls you have so easily breached, is that not a bit of an exaggeration when you have just joined a fans forum that anyone can join? I'm glad you said it though, it made me laugh.

PS - I've met Percy a few times and he is a great bloke. So I would imagine you would stick me in the 'up his arse club'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2014, 10:31:31 AM
Is this a dream, or a dream within a dream, or a dream within a dream within a dream?  Just how deep are we? Why is Christopher Nolan directing the transfer thread?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
I sleep arrogantly in a four poster bed with a Spode chamber pot underneath to which my butler has attached a picture of Francis, T. I use that one for number ones. For number twos I use the Wedgewood with the group picture of Gold, Sullivan and Brady hand painted in the bottom.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Smirker on July 17, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
I had a dream last night that we signed Enner Valencia for £7m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: Smirker on July 17, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
I had a dream last night that we signed Enner Valencia for £7m.
I think that's unlikely to come true for a number of reasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
His nickname is Superman, makes coming up with a song for him easy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
His nickname is Superman, makes coming up with a song for him easy.

Not using Laurie Anderson's "O Superman" it wouldn't
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 02:11:03 AM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 01:06:20 AM

 I don't need any bodies help

[/quote

Are you absolutely sure? Can you get a doctor.to confirm that?

Yes. Just spoke to a Dr & he confirmed that I didn't need any help what so ever as I was comfortably holding my own, but he did say that in any case there was a waiting list of cronies as long as your arm waiting for an operation to be removed from Percy's backside.

Apparently he knows Percy's psychiatrist well too as they are regularly bored to death & contemplating suicide after reading Percy's self righteous & know it all posts along with those of his `Clique ;).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
I'd get a second opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 12:05:41 PM
I can think of a clique that you will be joining soon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
You are spoiling the internet
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
I'd get a second opinion.

I  just did but they would only confirm that you have taken up all the beds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Malandro on July 17, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
You are spoiling the internet

I took lessons off you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2014, 12:22:32 PM
At which point will the phrase "your mum" be used?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: E I Adio on July 17, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
This playground stuff is so tiresome.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2014, 12:22:32 PM
At which point will the phrase "your mum" be used?

Did your mum tell you to write that one?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2014, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2014, 12:22:32 PM
At which point will the phrase "your mum" be used?

It's more likely to be "you're mum" if previous posts are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 17, 2014, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2014, 12:22:32 PM
At which point will the phrase "your mum" be used?

It's more likely to be "you're mum" if previous posts are anything to go by.

No. Most likely to be yours or Percy's mum judging by your previous error strewn posts.

Perhaps the Mods can run a poll.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Right can we get back to transfer rumours and stop feeding the troll please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
Yes. If Man Utd are having a squad-sale we should go for Nick Powell. What say you, fellow Heroes & Villains?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
Nick Powell would be a good signing.

I would take that Young fella too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Steve R on July 17, 2014, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 17, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
I sleep arrogantly in a four poster bed with a Spode chamber pot underneath to which my butler has attached a picture of Francis, T. I use that one for number ones. For number twos I use the Wedgewood with the group picture of Gold, Sullivan and Brady hand painted in the bottom.

I've developed a very sneering snore which makes cockraoches feel very bad about themselves.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: villabear on July 17, 2014, 12:50:22 PM
Matt Besler anyone?

bit.ly/1nNnyVu
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: villabear on July 17, 2014, 12:55:30 PM
Mat Besler link (hopefully)

http://www.eatsleepsport.com/aston-villa/villa-linked-with-us-defender-1780360.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2014, 01:04:47 PM
The Vlaar stuff is fucking stupid now, Man Utd and Rom aI can understand but fucking QPR, that's clearly the London Media trying to unsettle players for their mate 'arry again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2014, 02:21:00 PM
yes ,Ron, get the London look ducky, its so now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2014, 02:24:27 PM
If he lands back to training at BH in figure hugging chinos, slip ons and no socks, we know he's off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2014, 03:26:20 PM
Redknapp will have told the London media to start stories about them getting Vlaar. He's an utter prick. Why he never gets done for tapping up, I've no idea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2014, 03:27:36 PM
Indeed we really can't afford to let Vlaar go unless it's huge money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.

Is he managing us as well then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.

I apologise for calling you a troll earlier, I meant twat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
That's better. :)

& at least that's true.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: E I Adio on July 17, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.

You do appear to have a serial preoccupation with arses if you don't mind me saying so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2014, 04:04:30 PM
Quote from: E I Adio on July 17, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.

You do appear to have a serial preoccupation with arses if you don't mind me saying so.

Being one probably helps.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.



Yes. That was the one. I knew I'd seen you somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 04:16:47 PM
Last chance please cut it out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: rob_bridge on July 17, 2014, 04:27:17 PM
We could pick Altidore up for a song nowadays
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2014, 04:45:26 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 17, 2014, 04:27:17 PM
We could pick Altidore up for a song nowadays

I'd rather pick up Gonorrhea
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Ads on July 17, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
How much of a sad sack do you have to be to come on the internet and whinge away with garbage such as "ban me if you will" and "suppress my honest opinion if you must". Poor flower.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 17, 2014, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 17, 2014, 04:45:26 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 17, 2014, 04:27:17 PM
We could pick Altidore up for a song nowadays

I'd rather pick up Gonorrhea

Who does he play for?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2014, 06:31:32 PM
some Brazilian side, I think
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: baddowvillans on July 17, 2014, 06:58:34 PM
When do we  get to here the poll results and are there any bookies taking bets? 

It's got to be at least what Surrey got!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: baddowvillans on July 17, 2014, 07:00:11 PM
Suarez !  Bloody spell check
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 17, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
How much of a sad sack do you have to be to come on the internet and whinge away with garbage such as "ban me if you will" and "suppress my honest opinion if you must". Poor flower.
[/quote

Why don't you tell us? Rumour has it that you have monopolised being a saddo.

Don't think you'll find many that will argue with that other than your cronies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
I would like to believe that we don't see ourselves as cronies or a gang or a closed shop or whatever term you want to pick. I would like to think that we are a bunch of people who support Villa who are totally different characters who will inevitably have differences of opinion. Occasionally it gets a bit heated and occasionally some of us let ourselves down. But generally it is in good spirit and arguments fizzle out or get solved and often apologies are given. You appear to have an agenda, you appear to want conflict. I can only presume that is the only reason you are on here because you don't appear to like many any of us any much.

Why not chill out and have some fun with us on the off topic, timewasters or Small Heath the gift that gives on giving thread?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2014, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 17, 2014, 06:31:32 PM
some Brazilian side, I think

Think you're getting him mixed up with Gonorrinho.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2014, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: European_Champions_1982 on July 17, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
I reckon Van Gaal May possibly have the last word on Vlaar's future this Summer.

No doubt a few Manure cast offs will be offered to make up the weight.
is your own site SHA/ KRO or whatever it's called down ? because god knows why you are on here ???

and I believe Lambert and the club will have the last word as to whether Ron Vlarr leaves....

No. I think I got the information of one of your sites. How to be up your own arse I think it was called.



Yes. That was the one. I knew I'd seen you somewhere.

Look, here's how it is.

For whichever reason, you've made every thread you post on about you the last few days, and it's getting boring now.

As Damo says above, why not chill out a bit, relax, try to enjoy yourself without going down this path of picking arguments and getting involved in boring rucks?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
I would like to believe that we don't see ourselves as cronies or a gang or a closed shop or whatever term you want to pick. I would like to think that we are a bunch of people who support Villa who are totally different characters who will inevitably have differences of opinion. Occasionally it gets a bit heated and occasionally some of us let ourselves down. But generally it is in good spirit and arguments fizzle out or get solved and often apologies are given. You appear to have an agenda, you appear to want conflict. I can only presume that is the only reason you are on here because you don't appear to like many any of us any much.

Why not chill out and have some fun with us on the off topic, timewasters or Small Heath the gift that gives on giving thread?

I'll forgive any one Damo. Understand this. It was not me who started the conflict. I am being accused of being a troll which I categorically deny. I am merely defending my reputation.

At least you appear to have a voice of reason, sense & sensibility. My argument is not with you only those cowards & cronies who see fit to try to antagonise me which incidentally I find hilarious.

Nobody has ruffled my feathers so far. Nor shall they.

I notice Percy is still licking the wounds from his back side that I inflicted upon him yesterday & he is not the only one helping to lick them either. He has many Arse lickers on here & is incapable of winning an argument all by him self.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:32:10 PM
You are a troll, for bring up the Percy thing in every post in this thread, despite repeated requests to stop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:32:10 PM
You are a troll, for bring up the Percy thing in every post in this thread, despite repeated requests to stop.

Yet you're bringing it up here your self?

Is the Moderator going to ban him self for double standards & hypocrisy then?

No. I thought not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:32:10 PM
You are a troll, for bring up the Percy thing in every post in this thread, despite repeated requests to stop.

Yet you're bringing it up here your self?

Is the Moderator going to ban him self for double standards & hypocrisy then?

No. I thought not.

We gave you the chance, you didn't take it.

Bye.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:32:10 PM
You are a troll, for bring up the Percy thing in every post in this thread, despite repeated requests to stop.

Yet you're bringing it up here your self?

Is the Moderator going to ban him self for double standards & hypocrisy then?

No. I thought not.

We gave you the chance, you didn't take it.

Bye.

As soon as he needlessly brought percy up again i started waving ...

NOW WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR KI?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2014, 11:45:10 PM
Is it safe to come out? He was way too clever for me and I didn't want to be licking my wounds for days after receiving a damn good put down of 'your mum' on the internet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2014, 11:48:11 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2014, 03:26:20 PM
Redknapp will have told the London media to start stories about them getting Vlaar. He's an utter prick. Why he never gets done for tapping up, I've no idea.

It was on the back page of the Evening Mail as well though.  QPR? £4m?  Someone is "mugging us off" surely? 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
I would like to believe that we don't see ourselves as cronies or a gang or a closed shop or whatever term you want to pick. I would like to think that we are a bunch of people who support Villa who are totally different characters who will inevitably have differences of opinion. Occasionally it gets a bit heated and occasionally some of us let ourselves down. But generally it is in good spirit and arguments fizzle out or get solved and often apologies are given. You appear to have an agenda, you appear to want conflict. I can only presume that is the only reason you are on here because you don't appear to like many any of us any much.

Why not chill out and have some fun with us on the off topic, timewasters or Small Heath the gift that gives on giving thread?

I'll forgive any one Damo. Understand this. It was not me who started the conflict. I am being accused of being a troll which I categorically deny. I am merely defending my reputation.

At least you appear to have a voice of reason, sense & sensibility. My argument is not with you only those cowards & cronies who see fit to try to antagonise me which incidentally I find hilarious.

Nobody has ruffled my feathers so far. Nor shall they.

I notice Percy is still licking the wounds from his back side that I inflicted upon him yesterday & he is not the only one helping to lick them either. He has many Arse lickers on here & is incapable of winning an argument all by him self.

I've been to work you twat.

EDIT: oh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: E I Adio on July 17, 2014, 11:50:30 PM
Can I just say what a thoroughly tolerant lot we are.

Not sure which was worse, the trolling or the arse fixation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
Quote from: E I Adio on July 17, 2014, 11:50:30 PM
Can I just say what a thoroughly tolerant lot we are.

Not sure which was worse, the trolling or the arse fixation.

An arse fixation is perfectly fine with me. Waheeey wink wink what a laaaaad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
I would like to believe that we don't see ourselves as cronies or a gang or a closed shop or whatever term you want to pick. I would like to think that we are a bunch of people who support Villa who are totally different characters who will inevitably have differences of opinion. Occasionally it gets a bit heated and occasionally some of us let ourselves down. But generally it is in good spirit and arguments fizzle out or get solved and often apologies are given. You appear to have an agenda, you appear to want conflict. I can only presume that is the only reason you are on here because you don't appear to like many any of us any much.

Why not chill out and have some fun with us on the off topic, timewasters or Small Heath the gift that gives on giving thread?

I'll forgive any one Damo. Understand this. It was not me who started the conflict. I am being accused of being a troll which I categorically deny. I am merely defending my reputation.

At least you appear to have a voice of reason, sense & sensibility. My argument is not with you only those cowards & cronies who see fit to try to antagonise me which incidentally I find hilarious.

Nobody has ruffled my feathers so far. Nor shall they.

I notice Percy is still licking the wounds from his back side that I inflicted upon him yesterday & he is not the only one helping to lick them either. He has many Arse lickers on here & is incapable of winning an argument all by him self.

I've been to work you twat.

EDIT: oh.




The surreal thing about all this Percy is that if H&V were Twitter your arse and how many of us want to kiss or lick it would have been 'Trending' worldwide. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Can people stop talking about Percy' arse please!

So with Richardson at left wing back and Hutton clearly going to get a go at right (probably quite rightly) and us looking to 3-4-1-2 kind of formation, what else do we need before the end of August?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: peter w on July 17, 2014, 11:57:35 PM



Redknapp will have told the London media  to start stories about them getting Vlaar. He's an utter prick. Why he never gets done for tapping up, I've no idea.




It was on the back page of the Evening Mail as well though.  QPR? £4m?  Someone is "mugging us off" surely?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: bertlambshank on July 18, 2014, 12:00:55 AM
This is all bluff because Rio wants more money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
When Percy says moody pubs he means soft pink lights, feather cushions and a Campari and soda.

I know because i've seen him in them, I mean people have told me they've seen him in them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.


That is where I have been going wrong. I end watching football, getting drunk and stripping off in pubs and then end up with going out with moody girls where I pay for everything.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.


That is where I have been going wrong. I end watching football, getting drunk and stripping off in pubs and then end up with going out with moody girls where I pay for everything.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.

Great! I'm more of a wank-off-a-taxi-driver and ketamine guy but I think we'll be very much in love.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 18, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.


That is where I have been going wrong. I end watching football, getting drunk and stripping off in pubs and then end up with going out with moody girls where I pay for everything.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.

Great! I'm more of a wank-off-a-taxi-driver and ketamine guy but I think we'll be very much in love.

Fucking Hell, that's even more disturbing than our intellectually challenged, analy obsessed friend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2014, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 18, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.


That is where I have been going wrong. I end watching football, getting drunk and stripping off in pubs and then end up with going out with moody girls where I pay for everything.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.

Great! I'm more of a wank-off-a-taxi-driver and ketamine guy but I think we'll be very much in love.

Very good, both.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 18, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.


That is where I have been going wrong. I end watching football, getting drunk and stripping off in pubs and then end up with going out with moody girls where I pay for everything.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.

Great! I'm more of a wank-off-a-taxi-driver and ketamine guy but I think we'll be very much in love.

Fucking Hell, that's even more disturbing than our intellectually challenged, analy obsessed friend.

Jealous.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2014, 12:32:03 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 17, 2014, 11:57:35 PM

Redknapp will have told the London media  to start stories about them getting Vlaar. He's an utter prick. Why he never gets done for tapping up, I've no idea.




It was on the back page of the Evening Mail as well though.  QPR? £4m?  Someone is "mugging us off" surely?



Can we make it the law that we don't post anything from that channel as I'd hate to think we're bankrolling Tim Lovejoy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: peter w on July 18, 2014, 12:35:02 AM
Is he involved with it? Fucking hell I fell dirty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2014, 12:36:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Can people stop talking about Percy' arse please!

So with Richardson at left wing back and Hutton clearly going to get a go at right (probably quite rightly) and us looking to 3-4-1-2 kind of formation, what else do we need before the end of August?

Right then Ozz, in that formation we currently have :

GKs - Guzan, Steer, Given (is Siegrist still around?).  No additions needed

CBs - Okore, Vlaar (Hopefully), Senderos, Clark, Baker, Herd, Donacien.  If Vlaar goes then we will definitely need to bring someone in.  I think we could still do with one more as cover though I doubt we will get one as PL seems to rate Baker and Clark.

RWB - Lowton, Hutton, Bacuna.  Not great quality, but should be enough.

LWB - Richardson, Bennett, Luna.  Would like to see one of Bennett or Luna moved on and a better understudy to Richardson bought in.  Again, doubt it will happen.

CM - Westwood, Delph, El Amhadi, Gardner, Johnson.  Key area. Need one or two quality additions who are capable of going straight into the side.

AM - Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Grealish, Carruthers.  Again not overly inspiring options, but we'll probably go with that. 

ST -  Benteke, Kozak, Agbonlahor, Weimann, Bent, Robinson.  Probably enough options there if Benteke and Kozak can return quickly and find form.

If we are going to play that formation, I reckon we realistically need cover on the left hand side and one or two quality central midfielders.  I've got a feeling we might see the 3 at the back formation at home, with us reverting to the favoured 4-3-3 away (in which case we would probably need a decent wide player added as well).     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 12:37:36 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2014, 12:32:03 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 17, 2014, 11:57:35 PM

Redknapp will have told the London media  to start stories about them getting Vlaar. He's an utter prick. Why he never gets done for tapping up, I've no idea.




It was on the back page of the Evening Mail as well though.  QPR? £4m?  Someone is "mugging us off" surely?



Can we make it the law that we don't post anything from that channel as I'd hate to think we're bankrolling Tim Lovejoy.

I'm all for bankrolling Tim Lovejoy. 

That's slang for stoning him to death, right?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2014, 12:38:22 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 18, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 18, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.


That is where I have been going wrong. I end watching football, getting drunk and stripping off in pubs and then end up with going out with moody girls where I pay for everything.
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 17, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
Percy, you don't know me, and I wouldn't have chosen for it to have come out in this way...but will you go out with me?

Depends where to. I like football, drinking in moody pubs and girl strippers, especially if someone else is paying.

Great! I'm more of a wank-off-a-taxi-driver and ketamine guy but I think we'll be very much in love.

Fucking Hell, that's even more disturbing than our intellectually challenged, analy obsessed friend.

Jealous.

Very.  It sounds a lot more fun than anything that's happened over here in a while.

Still disturbing mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2014, 03:47:16 AM
Quote from: Smirker on July 17, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
I had a dream last night that we signed Enner Valencia for £7m.
I think we have more chance of getting Orange Valencia  at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2014, 03:56:47 AM
Quote from: E I Adio on July 17, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
This playground stuff is so tiresome.
This tiresome stuff is sooo playground.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2014, 05:59:34 AM
Was the ki stuff a load of bolllocks then? It's gone very quiet on that front
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2014, 07:47:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: MyDadIsBiggerThanYourDad on July 17, 2014, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:32:10 PM
You are a troll, for bring up the Percy thing in every post in this thread, despite repeated requests to stop.

Yet you're bringing it up here your self?

Is the Moderator going to ban him self for double standards & hypocrisy then?

No. I thought not.

We gave you the chance, you didn't take it.

Bye.

Damn, between work and going to Mansfield I missed the climax
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: peter w on July 18, 2014, 07:47:51 AM
That's usually a good sign.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 18, 2014, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2014, 11:45:10 PM
Is it safe to come out? He was way too clever for me and I didn't want to be licking my wounds for days

Or, indeed, Percy's arse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 18, 2014, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2014, 12:36:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Can people stop talking about Percy' arse please!

So with Richardson at left wing back and Hutton clearly going to get a go at right (probably quite rightly) and us looking to 3-4-1-2 kind of formation, what else do we need before the end of August?

Right then Ozz, in that formation we currently have :

GKs - Guzan, Steer, Given (is Siegrist still around?).  No additions needed

CBs - Okore, Vlaar (Hopefully), Senderos, Clark, Baker, Herd, Donacien.  If Vlaar goes then we will definitely need to bring someone in.  I think we could still do with one more as cover though I doubt we will get one as PL seems to rate Baker and Clark.

RWB - Lowton, Hutton, Bacuna.  Not great quality, but should be enough.

LWB - Richardson, Bennett, Luna.  Would like to see one of Bennett or Luna moved on and a better understudy to Richardson bought in.  Again, doubt it will happen.

CM - Westwood, Delph, El Amhadi, Gardner, Johnson.  Key area. Need one or two quality additions who are capable of going straight into the side.

AM - Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Grealish, Carruthers.  Again not overly inspiring options, but we'll probably go with that. 

ST -  Benteke, Kozak, Agbonlahor, Weimann, Bent, Robinson.  Probably enough options there if Benteke and Kozak can return quickly and find form.

If we are going to play that formation, I reckon we realistically need cover on the left hand side and one or two quality central midfielders.  I've got a feeling we might see the 3 at the back formation at home, with us reverting to the favoured 4-3-3 away (in which case we would probably need a decent wide player added as well).     

And Stevens, don't forget Enda Stevens
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 09:31:22 AM
Who is seemingly ahead of Luna in the reckoning now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2014, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 09:31:22 AM
Who is seemingly ahead of Luna in the reckoning now.
By all accounts Luna is on the brink of leaving
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 18, 2014, 09:47:13 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2014, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 09:31:22 AM
Who is seemingly ahead of Luna in the reckoning now.
By all accounts Luna is on the brink of leaving

I would bet that he leaves back peddling with his arms behind his back. He should copyright that like Bale with his heart hand gesture.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: john e on July 18, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
I would like to believe that we don't see ourselves as cronies or a gang or a closed shop or whatever term you want to pick. I would like to think that we are a bunch of people who support Villa who are totally different characters who will inevitably have differences of opinion. Occasionally it gets a bit heated and occasionally some of us let ourselves down. But generally it is in good spirit and arguments fizzle out or get solved and often apologies are given. You appear to have an agenda, you appear to want conflict. I can only presume that is the only reason you are on here because you don't appear to like many any of us any much.

Why not chill out and have some fun with us on the off topic, timewasters or Small Heath the gift that gives on giving thread?


speak for yourself, I'm in a big gang on here, its a proper clique to be fair

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: bobdylan on July 18, 2014, 10:55:13 AM
Who are we actually trying to shift now out of Luna, Stevens, Bennett, Given, Herd, Hutton, Bent, N'Zogbia, Tonev etc.?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: brian green on July 18, 2014, 11:12:30 AM
By default rather than by design the players the club are moving are Vlaar, Delph and Gabby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 18, 2014, 11:30:34 AM
Quote
GKs - Guzan, Steer, Given (is Siegrist still around?).  No additions needed

CBs - Okore, Vlaar (Hopefully), Senderos, Clark, Baker, Herd, Donacien.  If Vlaar goes then we will definitely need to bring someone in.  I think we could still do with one more as cover though I doubt we will get one as PL seems to rate Baker and Clark.

RWB - Lowton, Hutton, Bacuna.  Not great quality, but should be enough.

LWB - Richardson, Bennett, Luna.  Would like to see one of Bennett or Luna moved on and a better understudy to Richardson bought in.  Again, doubt it will happen.

CM - Westwood, Delph, El Amhadi, Gardner, Johnson.  Key area. Need one or two quality additions who are capable of going straight into the side.

AM - Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Grealish, Carruthers.  Again not overly inspiring options, but we'll probably go with that. 

ST -  Benteke, Kozak, Agbonlahor, Weimann, Bent, Robinson.  Probably enough options there if Benteke and Kozak can return quickly and find form.

Its each time I see it listed like that, that it really drums home how poor it is.

I just cannot see where enough goals are going to come from next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:32:42 AM
I saw a random tweet last night that said we were in 'advanced talks' with Joel Campbell. Would be ideal, IMO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 18, 2014, 05:59:34 AM
Was the ki stuff a load of bolllocks then? It's gone very quiet on that front

James Nursey thinks we're just haggling over the fee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 18, 2014, 11:30:34 AM
Quote
GKs - Guzan, Steer, Given (is Siegrist still around?).  No additions needed

CBs - Okore, Vlaar (Hopefully), Senderos, Clark, Baker, Herd, Donacien.  If Vlaar goes then we will definitely need to bring someone in.  I think we could still do with one more as cover though I doubt we will get one as PL seems to rate Baker and Clark.

RWB - Lowton, Hutton, Bacuna.  Not great quality, but should be enough.

LWB - Richardson, Bennett, Luna.  Would like to see one of Bennett or Luna moved on and a better understudy to Richardson bought in.  Again, doubt it will happen.

CM - Westwood, Delph, El Amhadi, Gardner, Johnson.  Key area. Need one or two quality additions who are capable of going straight into the side.

AM - Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Grealish, Carruthers.  Again not overly inspiring options, but we'll probably go with that. 

ST -  Benteke, Kozak, Agbonlahor, Weimann, Bent, Robinson.  Probably enough options there if Benteke and Kozak can return quickly and find form.

Its each time I see it listed like that, that it really drums home how poor it is.

I just cannot see where enough goals are going to come from next season.

Really?

I think it's perfectly fair to expect:

Benteke - 10-15 (depending on how much he plays)
Kozak - 10
Gabby - 5
Weimann - 5-10 (depending on his position)
Bent - 5-10 (depending on how much he plays)

If the rest of the team get 15 between them ( we got 14 from the non-strikers last year) that's somewhere around 50 for the season, which is perfectly reasonable for our squad.  It's the other end that worries me but we'll score as many as anyone in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?

Who has a better set of forwards than Benteke, Kozak, Weimann, Bent and Gabby? (if you dismiss the side challenging for the CL places)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?

No, he's probably right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
Quote from: john e on July 18, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
I would like to believe that we don't see ourselves as cronies or a gang or a closed shop or whatever term you want to pick. I would like to think that we are a bunch of people who support Villa who are totally different characters who will inevitably have differences of opinion. Occasionally it gets a bit heated and occasionally some of us let ourselves down. But generally it is in good spirit and arguments fizzle out or get solved and often apologies are given. You appear to have an agenda, you appear to want conflict. I can only presume that is the only reason you are on here because you don't appear to like many any of us any much.

Why not chill out and have some fun with us on the off topic, timewasters or Small Heath the gift that gives on giving thread?


speak for yourself, I'm in a big gang on here, its a proper clique to be fair



I be rollin' wit John's crew, we're the Newport Pagnall Services Posse
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2014, 12:06:24 PM
I'm still in Percys gang.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?

Who has a better set of forwards than Benteke, Kozak, Weimann, Bent and Gabby? (if you dismiss the side challenging for the CL places)
Undoubtedly. Benteke is the key man. We're talking about a very classy player on his day and no one else in the bottom half currently has anyone as good up front. Swansea have Bony who's decent (but not a patch on Tekkers) but he looks set to move to a bigger club.

Bent could hit double figures given enough game time and decent service. I think Ze Germans proved that the out and out poacher might not be entirely obsolete now. They still found ample room for Klose who's 6-7 years older than Bent.

Kozak can finish a chance. He's got a lot of similarities with Klose.

Weimann, playing through the middle will score goals. He looked like he'd shed some weight last night too. If he's worked very hard on his fitness, isn't worked into the ground like last season, he could do well.

One more creative midfield option and we've got the front men to put the chances away.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 18, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
Quote
Benteke - 10-15 (depending on how much he plays)
Kozak - 10
Gabby - 5
Weimann - 5-10 (depending on his position)
Bent - 5-10 (depending on how much he plays)

I admire the optimism.

Two forwards coming back from long-term injuries to get 20-25 goals between them? Really?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 18, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
Quote
Benteke - 10-15 (depending on how much he plays)
Kozak - 10
Gabby - 5
Weimann - 5-10 (depending on his position)
Bent - 5-10 (depending on how much he plays)

I admire the optimism.

Two forwards coming back from long-term injuries to get 20-25 goals between them? Really?

It's what they're capable of, which is probably what he meant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?

Who has a better set of forwards than Benteke, Kozak, Weimann, Bent and Gabby? (if you dismiss the side challenging for the CL places)

Just to check, are we completely ignore the fact that the first 2 won't even be in training when the season kicks off for the purpose of this debate?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 18, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
Quote
Benteke - 10-15 (depending on how much he plays)
Kozak - 10
Gabby - 5
Weimann - 5-10 (depending on his position)
Bent - 5-10 (depending on how much he plays)

I admire the optimism.

Two forwards coming back from long-term injuries to get 20-25 goals between them? Really?
I think it'll depend very much on service. Service is the key. In particular if you look at Kozak, Bent and Weimann, at their best they're about movement in the box, finding space and generally they'll put the chances away.

Benteke we all know can make something out of nothing.

Of course much depends on how quickly Tekkers and Kozak can recover from horrific injuries. At least for Kozak he's never had any pace to rely on.
Whether Benteke loses a yard or two remains to be seen. Though he has so many other attributes in his locker too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2014, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
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We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?

Who has a better set of forwards than Benteke, Kozak, Weimann, Bent and Gabby? (if you dismiss the side challenging for the CL places)

Just to check, are we completely ignore the fact that the first 2 won't even be in training when the season kicks off for the purpose of this debate?
Yes because it's a long season and apparently we'll have both back by september. We can't really account for form or anything like that, but on paper, I think we've got a good set of forwards. If we sort our midfield out (finally), we'll score more goals.
It may take a month or two for Kozak and Bent to get up to speed, but they'll still have over half a season to have an impact.

In any case I'm quite satisfied with our striking options for the coming season. I don't think there's any need to be blowing any of our budget on someone like Bendtner for example.
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Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 18, 2014, 12:22:29 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 18, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
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Benteke - 10-15 (depending on how much he plays)
Kozak - 10
Gabby - 5
Weimann - 5-10 (depending on his position)
Bent - 5-10 (depending on how much he plays)

I admire the optimism.

Two forwards coming back from long-term injuries to get 20-25 goals between them? Really?
I think it'll depend very much on service. Service is the key. In particular if you look at Kozak, Bent and Weimann, at their best they're about movement in the box, finding space and generally they'll put the chances away.

Benteke we all know can make something out of nothing.

Of course much depends on how quickly Tekkers and Kozak can recover from horrific injuries. At least for Kozak he's never had any pace to rely on.
Whether Benteke loses a yard or two remains to be seen. Though he has so many other attributes in his locker too.

Pretty much this.  Attack is our strongest department, sadly we have a suspect injury record there, are still trying to get the right balance, and have a avenge midfield, and poor supply line.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half.

You're kidding, I presume?

Who has a better set of forwards than Benteke, Kozak, Weimann, Bent and Gabby? (if you dismiss the side challenging for the CL places)

Just to check, are we completely ignore the fact that the first 2 won't even be in training when the season kicks off for the purpose of this debate?

That's not the point he was making. He said that we probably have better forwards than anyone in the bottom half of the division and we probably do. The fact that they're injured doesn't make that claim any less true.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

The thing is - in my honest opinion - unless Benteke is one of the 3 front players, it's a pretty blunt attack. Gabby and Wiemann certainly look lost without him and, as we all know, Bent is a completely different player. Gabby, Bent and Wiemann are all capable of scoring goals individually, but as a trio the lack of creativity between them is frightening. When you factor in that we don't have a lot of creativity in the midfield (and virtually none from out wide) I'd say that, as per last year, we'll struggle to score as many goals as the likes of Swansea, Stoke, Newcastle and Hull again.
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Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 18, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

The thing is - in my honest opinion - unless Benteke is one of the 3 front players, it's a pretty blunt attack. Gabby and Wiemann certainly look lost without him and, as we all know, Bent is a completely different player. Gabby, Bent and Wiemann are all capable of scoring goals individually, but as a trio the lack of creativity between them is frightening. When you factor in that we don't have a lot of creativity in the midfield (and virtually none from out wide) I'd say that, as per last year, we'll struggle to score as many goals as the likes of Swansea, Stoke, Newcastle and Hull again.

I agree on the likes of Gabby and Weinmann, but Weinmann is still young and does have other things to his game than goals.  Also, if Kozak lives up to his promise off last season then he should be able to share the goals with CB.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

I'd go with our three and again you're missing the point. Add Benteke and Kozak to those three and it looks a decent bunch of strikers to choose from. Who have Stoke got to add to Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters?
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:35:53 PM
I think the biggest thing this season is getting that midfield right. We are covered at the back providing Vlaar stays, and at full back Hutton and Richardson are essentially mid table premiership players. Cole and NZogbia look set to play the number 10 role between them. My issue is width, and strength through the middle. I would love us to go out and use our budget on just 2 quality players that are genuinely gettable and would make a big difference. Ashley Young would be high up on that list with the forwards we have, he would be ideal to get crosses in and make things happen, and I reckon would come back like a shot if it was a decent deal. Then someone like Fer from Norwich and maybe a player in the mould of the defensive midfielder at Blues that is athletic and powerful. Ki looks dead in the water at the moment unfortunately. Ki, Young and Fer and we would be very comfortably mid table come may, but would likely be out of our budget. Bent, Kozak, Benteke et al will score goals.

Gardner might, might give us the more physical athletic option we need. Just pray he stays fit and builds confidence.
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Post by: supertom on July 18, 2014, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

The thing is - in my honest opinion - unless Benteke is one of the 3 front players, it's a pretty blunt attack. Gabby and Wiemann certainly look lost without him and, as we all know, Bent is a completely different player. Gabby, Bent and Wiemann are all capable of scoring goals individually, but as a trio the lack of creativity between them is frightening. When you factor in that we don't have a lot of creativity in the midfield (and virtually none from out wide) I'd say that, as per last year, we'll struggle to score as many goals as the likes of Swansea, Stoke, Newcastle and Hull again.
It was interesting to see us playing two systems last night, neither of which had 3 up top. I would assume that Lambert wants to look at a different style of player, something perhaps a bit more considered. As a two up top Bent and Weimann actually worked quite well. Andi is better through the middle, allowed to pull out wide and he'll do the leg work that Bent wouldn't for example and also create space for Bent to find in the box.

I think in 60 odd games over the last couple of seasons, it's become increasingly more apparent that Weimann shouldn't play wide. In addition, Gabby's time being written in the team sheet in permanent marker is over.

Re-instating N'Zogbia and Bent may be an almighty back track and arguably a sign of desperation but it's still (at one time) over 30 million quids worth of talent. Cole has the quality to change games, even if he doesn't have the legs to do it every week any more. He's also a midfielder custom made for a striker like Bent.

The midfield is still a worry. Sign Ki and perhaps one more attacking midfield option, and we'll be done and dusted this window I think.

I think we'll score more than last season. That shouldn't be hard of course. I also think we'll concede less. Again...shouldn't be hard. I fancy us to be more comfortable than the last three years.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

I'd go with our three and again you're missing the point. Add Benteke and Kozak to those three and it looks a decent bunch of strikers to choose from. Who have Stoke got to add to Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters?

I'm not missing the point, I'm just trying to respond to it whilst actually taking into account the fact that our main 2 centre forwards are seriously injured. And his actual point was "forward options" which, to me, isn't exclusive to centre-forwards.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

I'd go with our three and again you're missing the point. Add Benteke and Kozak to those three and it looks a decent bunch of strikers to choose from. Who have Stoke got to add to Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters?

I'm not missing the point, I'm just trying to respond to it whilst actually taking into account the fact that our main 2 centre forwards are seriously injured. And his actual point was "forward options" which, to me, isn't exclusive to centre-forwards.

Yes you are missing the point entirely. He said we have as good forward options as any in the bottom half. Forget the fact that Bentke and Kozak are injured. I know they are but if they wasn't, it's a good argument to make. We might need some flair thrown in somewhere along the way and hopefully N'Zogbia and Cole might bring that in.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.


That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

Going back to what I said, I don't think its even arguable. Benteke is better than pretty much every forward in the league and miles ahead of anything else in the bottom half.

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Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
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Benteke - 10-15 (depending on how much he plays)
Kozak - 10
Gabby - 5
Weimann - 5-10 (depending on his position)
Bent - 5-10 (depending on how much he plays)

I admire the optimism.

Two forwards coming back from long-term injuries to get 20-25 goals between them? Really?

It's what they're capable of, which is probably what he meant.

Correct, we don't know when they'll be back of how quickly they'll be up and running but we do know that Benteke is roughly a 1 in 2 striker and Kozak is roughly a 1 in 3 striker so if they both get between 20-30 games those figures are going to be fairly close.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

I'd go with our three and again you're missing the point. Add Benteke and Kozak to those three and it looks a decent bunch of strikers to choose from. Who have Stoke got to add to Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters?

I'm not missing the point, I'm just trying to respond to it whilst actually taking into account the fact that our main 2 centre forwards are seriously injured. And his actual point was "forward options" which, to me, isn't exclusive to centre-forwards.

Yes you are missing the point entirely. He said we have as good forward options as any in the bottom half. Forget the fact that Bentke and Kozak are injured. I know they are but if they wasn't, it's a good argument to make. We might need some flair thrown in somewhere along the way and hopefully N'Zogbia and Cole might bring that in.

I think you're struggling to grass the difference between 'missing the point' and 'disagreeing with it'. If we're ignoring the fact that Benteke and Kozak are injured then it's equally as pertinent to ignore the fact that Dean Saunders, Dwight Yorke and Pongo Waring are all retired and we're actually blessed with a free-scoring forward line. It's also about as pertinent as pining your hopes of creativity on a player who hasn't played for 12 months, and one has hasn't been any good for about 5 years.

Last season, of the teams that finished in the bottom half and stayed up (Fulham actually outscored us), only Palace and Hull scored less goals than us. I've seen nothing change in the current squad that makes me confident that we have "better forwards options" than the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Hull and Stoke.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
To paraphrase Clinton, "it's the midfield stupid!".

It's not a novel argument to say the midfield needs work, we've all been saying it for seasons now. We need somebody capable of shielding the back four/three and somebody capable of injecting impetus in attack. We also need a re-think in philosophy of how we treat the ball. We must learn to show patience and to probe, which involves movement, something we have struggled with.

It was promising last night to see Gardner start a move forty yards for goal and have the thought to move into space. We have good forwards, Cole and N'Zogbia offer some attacking intent for where we are at the moment, while a three at the back system allows our full/wing backs to really press on. But it counts for nothing if the midfield isn't winning the ball, keeping the ball and using it effectively.

 

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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

I'd go with our three and again you're missing the point. Add Benteke and Kozak to those three and it looks a decent bunch of strikers to choose from. Who have Stoke got to add to Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters?

I'm not missing the point, I'm just trying to respond to it whilst actually taking into account the fact that our main 2 centre forwards are seriously injured. And his actual point was "forward options" which, to me, isn't exclusive to centre-forwards.

Yes you are missing the point entirely. He said we have as good forward options as any in the bottom half. Forget the fact that Bentke and Kozak are injured. I know they are but if they wasn't, it's a good argument to make. We might need some flair thrown in somewhere along the way and hopefully N'Zogbia and Cole might bring that in.

I think you're struggling to grass the difference between 'missing the point' and 'disagreeing with it'. If we're ignoring the fact that Benteke and Kozak are injured then it's equally as pertinent to ignore the fact that Dean Saunders, Dwight Yorke and Pongo Waring are all retired and we're actually blessed with a free-scoring forward line. It's also about as pertinent as pining your hopes of creativity on a player who hasn't played for 12 months, and one has hasn't been any good for about 5 years.

Firstly, the Saunders, Yorke and Pongo comparison is ridiculous because they're not due back to play for us in a few months time. Besides, one of them hasn't retired, he's dead.

And who said I was pining my hopes on Cole and N'Zogbia? I said we need some more flair in there and they might help us. We do need more though.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Russell, i think the point being made is that Weimann, Bent, Kozak and Benteke will score goals if you supply them. Our issue last season was supply, since which we have added Richardson, Cole and Nzogbia who will create more than KEA, Bennett and Weimann did out wide I would think. Adding to the supply line is much more important than bolstering the knives.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:51:13 PM

I think you're struggling to grass the difference between 'missing the point' and 'disagreeing with it'. If we're ignoring the fact that Benteke and Kozak are injured then it's equally as pertinent to ignore the fact that Dean Saunders, Dwight Yorke and Pongo Waring are all retired

How do you work that out? Benteke and Kozak will play for most of the season.
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Post by: supertom on July 18, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
Watching the goals again from last night it was interesting to see the move for the second goal starting in our own half with none other than Darren Bent. He seemed far more willing than normal to involve himself in the build up. He showed plenty of desire to impress too (a lot more than Gabby to be honest). Bent may well decide it's in his interest to put himself about a bit more in the build up play. He's got a great opportunity early doors to cement his place before the return of Kozak and Benteke.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:51:13 PM

I think you're struggling to grass the difference between 'missing the point' and 'disagreeing with it'. If we're ignoring the fact that Benteke and Kozak are injured then it's equally as pertinent to ignore the fact that Dean Saunders, Dwight Yorke and Pongo Waring are all retired

How do you work that out? Benteke and Kozak will play for most of the season.

And if they have a midfield that has the ball more often than not and a midfield (and full backs) capable of creating, then those two will score significantly more goals than anybody else in the bottom half. In Benteke's case, more than most in the league.

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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

So Gabby, who averages about 1 in 4 for Villa is a "world beater on his day" but Crouch, who has a better than 1 in 2 ration for England is "not up to much even on his day"...?!
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfer-talk-alan-7452065

Is anyone willing to wager that in fact he has demanded no such talks
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Russell, i think the point being made is that Weimann, Bent, Kozak and Benteke will score goals if you supply them. Our issue last season was supply, since which we have added Richardson, Cole and Nzogbia who will create more than KEA, Bennett and Weimann did out wide I would think. Adding to the supply line is much more important than bolstering the knives.

this team has always had goals in it. It was demonstrated for all to see the season before last. What dried up to devastating effect was the supply line as you point out, and injuries to key players on top of that, followed finally by a loss of confidence. If Bent stays, you know have a variety of strikers who don't all play the same way. None of them will do what Benteke can do but individually they are capable of finding the net. What we need, and still need is a legitimate visionary in the middle. Cole and N'Zog will do it on occasion, but neither can be relied upon consistently. Whether the answer is width through full backs with Richardson overlapping or a genuine winger, the answer is the same. Lambert needs to fugure out how to get the ball into kay areas of the pitch to take advantage of our striking potential.
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Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 01:03:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

I'd go with our three and again you're missing the point. Add Benteke and Kozak to those three and it looks a decent bunch of strikers to choose from. Who have Stoke got to add to Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters?

I'm not missing the point, I'm just trying to respond to it whilst actually taking into account the fact that our main 2 centre forwards are seriously injured. And his actual point was "forward options" which, to me, isn't exclusive to centre-forwards.

Yes you are missing the point entirely. He said we have as good forward options as any in the bottom half. Forget the fact that Bentke and Kozak are injured. I know they are but if they wasn't, it's a good argument to make. We might need some flair thrown in somewhere along the way and hopefully N'Zogbia and Cole might bring that in.

I think you're struggling to grass the difference between 'missing the point' and 'disagreeing with it'. If we're ignoring the fact that Benteke and Kozak are injured then it's equally as pertinent to ignore the fact that Dean Saunders, Dwight Yorke and Pongo Waring are all retired and we're actually blessed with a free-scoring forward line. It's also about as pertinent as pining your hopes of creativity on a player who hasn't played for 12 months, and one has hasn't been any good for about 5 years.

Last season, of the teams that finished in the bottom half and stayed up (Fulham actually outscored us), only Palace and Hull scored less goals than us. I've seen nothing change in the current squad that makes me confident that we have "better forwards options" than the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Hull and Stoke.

Benteke and Kozak will play more games than they miss this season so they're perfectly entitled to be counted as Aston Villa forwards for the 2014-15 season, your point about players who long retired or dead is just bizarre.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
He looked happy enough last night. I would imagine if he is going to get games, he will be happy to see it out now and get a bigger deal on a free next summer, knowing if he plays well this then that will be a bigger pay packet.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

So Gabby, who averages about 1 in 4 for Villa is a "world beater on his day" but Crouch, who has a better than 1 in 2 ration for England is "not up to much even on his day"...?!

You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

Actually, i'm surprised Stanley Matthews didn't get a mention.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Russell, i think the point being made is that Weimann, Bent, Kozak and Benteke will score goals if you supply them. Our issue last season was supply, since which we have added Richardson, Cole and Nzogbia who will create more than KEA, Bennett and Weimann did out wide I would think. Adding to the supply line is much more important than bolstering the knives.

this team has always had goals in it. It was demonstrated for all to see the season before last. What dried up to devastating effect was the supply line as you point out, and injuries to key players on top of that, followed finally by a loss of confidence. If Bent stays, you know have a variety of strikers who don't all play the same way. None of them will do what Benteke can do but individually they are capable of finding the net. What we need, and still need is a legitimate visionary in the middle. Cole and N'Zog will do it on occasion, but neither can be relied upon consistently. Whether the answer is width through full backs with Richardson overlapping or a genuine winger, the answer is the same. Lambert needs to fugure out how to get the ball into kay areas of the pitch to take advantage of our striking potential.

Which is the reason he wants Ki, and I would wager the reason he used Westwood so deep yesterday.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

So Gabby, who averages about 1 in 4 for Villa is a "world beater on his day" but Crouch, who has a better than 1 in 2 ration for England is "not up to much even on his day"...?!

Until Stoke start playing Trinidad and Tobago, I won't worry. I have seen Gabby score some of the most important goals of our most recent history. He is the opposite of a flat track bully and I will agree, so in and out of form it is untrue. But I would rather have him up fron than Crouch.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Russell, i think the point being made is that Weimann, Bent, Kozak and Benteke will score goals if you supply them. Our issue last season was supply, since which we have added Richardson, Cole and Nzogbia who will create more than KEA, Bennett and Weimann did out wide I would think. Adding to the supply line is much more important than bolstering the knives.

Oz, I fully understand the point, and you've hit the nail on the head by adding "if you supply them." My point was that the likes of Crouch, Walters and Odemwingie will score goals, and I fully expect them to be supplied. Same with the likes of Long and Jelavic at Hull, Cisse and Revelliere at Newcastle, Bony and Gomis at Swansea.  They all have, in my opinion, much better lines of supply than we do.

Bent as we all know is a player who relies on service. From what I've seen of Kozak he'll be the same, albeit in a different mould. Wiemann and Gabby were both poor last season. If we want to compare our 'forward options' to those of the clubs in and around us, then fine, but I really don't see the point is brushing over their form, fitness or where they'll fit into our team whilst doing so.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Russell, i think the point being made is that Weimann, Bent, Kozak and Benteke will score goals if you supply them. Our issue last season was supply, since which we have added Richardson, Cole and Nzogbia who will create more than KEA, Bennett and Weimann did out wide I would think. Adding to the supply line is much more important than bolstering the knives.

Oz, I fully understand the point, and you've hit the nail on the head by adding "if you supply them." My point was that the likes of Crouch, Walters and Odemwingie will score goals, and I fully expect them to be supplied. Same with the likes of Long and Jelavic at Hull, Cisse and Revelliere at Newcastle, Bony and Gomis at Swansea.  They all have, in my opinion, much better lines of supply than we do.


Which is an entirely different argument. People have been saying for a long time that the midfield needs to improve in a lot of aspects, but that doesn't alter the quality of the forwards.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Both Walters and Odenwinge played up front last season. Short of Hull at home, Gabby and Andi played out wide.

Walters also takes Stoke's penalties, while Gabby and Andi are also not our best forwards.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
Agreed Ads. Every club from about 8th downwards would swap their strikers for ours I reckon.


None of them would swap their midfield/ wide players.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Russell, i think the point being made is that Weimann, Bent, Kozak and Benteke will score goals if you supply them. Our issue last season was supply, since which we have added Richardson, Cole and Nzogbia who will create more than KEA, Bennett and Weimann did out wide I would think. Adding to the supply line is much more important than bolstering the knives.

Oz, I fully understand the point, and you've hit the nail on the head by adding "if you supply them." My point was that the likes of Crouch, Walters and Odemwingie will score goals, and I fully expect them to be supplied. Same with the likes of Long and Jelavic at Hull, Cisse and Revelliere at Newcastle, Bony and Gomis at Swansea.  They all have, in my opinion, much better lines of supply than we do.


Which is an entirely different argument. People have been saying for a long time that the midfield needs to improve in a lot of aspects, but that doesn't alter the quality of the forwards.

Exactly. I don't think I've ever come across a poster missing the point as much as Russell has. Now he's talking about 'lines of supply' when his first comparison to Weimman, Bent and Gabby was Crouch, Walters (ah-em) and Odemwingie. I believe it's what is known as backtracking.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2014, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Both Walters and Odenwinge played up front last season. Short of Hull at home, Gabby and Andi played out wide.

Walters also takes Stoke's penalties, while Gabby and Andi are also not our best forwards.

I agree with you, I'd take our striker line up - with or without the two injured players, probably - ahead of Stoke's any day of the week.

However, I have to admit, I'd be totally unbothered to see Gabby shipped out. He looks to me like a player who has been on auto-pilot for far too long, in fact, I'd say he sums up the sort of drifting mediocrity of the club in recent years.

On his day, he can be brilliant, the problem is, we see that day less and less as time passes.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2014, 01:24:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2014, 01:21:13 PM
I agree with you, I'd take our striker line up - with or without the two injured players, probably - ahead of Stoke's any day of the week.

However, I have to admit, I'd be totally unbothered to see Gabby shipped out. He looks to me like a player who has been on auto-pilot for far too long, in fact, I'd say he sums up the sort of drifting mediocrity of the club in recent years.

On his day, he can be brilliant, the problem is, we see that day less and less as time passes.

I wonder how much of that is down to him being a big game player and we don't play many big games now.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Out of interest, how many did Walters score last season?
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
 Paulie, you're spot on with your assessment, but I will admit that Gabby gets more wiggle room from me, purely on a sentimental basis.




From 4:24 onwards.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Out of interest, how many did Walters score last season?

5. Remind me of Gabby's return again..?
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Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2014, 01:42:33 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 18, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.

The thing is - in my honest opinion - unless Benteke is one of the 3 front players, it's a pretty blunt attack. Gabby and Wiemann certainly look lost without him and, as we all know, Bent is a completely different player. Gabby, Bent and Wiemann are all capable of scoring goals individually, but as a trio the lack of creativity between them is frightening. When you factor in that we don't have a lot of creativity in the midfield (and virtually none from out wide) I'd say that, as per last year, we'll struggle to score as many goals as the likes of Swansea, Stoke, Newcastle and Hull again.

I agree on the likes of Gabby and Weinmann, but Weinmann is still young and does have other things to his game than goals.  Also, if Kozak lives up to his promise off last season then he should be able to share the goals with CB.
Wiemann? Weinmann?

It's WEIMANN
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Out of interest, how many did Walters score last season?

5. Remind me of Gabby's return again..?

4 I believe but we all know Gabby doesn't score enough, that's common knowledge and I haven't suggested otherwise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Both Walters and Odenwinge played up front last season. Short of Hull at home, Gabby and Andi played out wide.

Walters also takes Stoke's penalties, while Gabby and Andi are also not our best forwards.

From what I recall, Walters seems to miss a lot of penalties! As for Gabby and Andi playing out wide, you're right, but then we have to scrutinise their lack of assists.

I genuinely think that without Benteke our forward line isn't up to much at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Out of interest, how many did Walters score last season?

5. Remind me of Gabby's return again..?

4 I believe but we all know Gabby doesn't score enough, that's common knowledge and I haven't suggested otherwise.

And you accused me of backtracking!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:56:20 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
You forgot to throw in Odemwingie who a struggling Cardiff got rid of and the free scoring Jonathan Walters.

In the last 4 seasons Walters has scored 39 goals for Stoke, Compared to gabby's contribution of 27 for us. Last season Odemwingie scored as many league goals for Stoke in 15 games as Wiemann did for us in 24.

Out of interest, how many did Walters score last season?

5. Remind me of Gabby's return again..?

4 I believe but we all know Gabby doesn't score enough, that's common knowledge and I haven't suggested otherwise.

And you accused me of backtracking!!

You did, I heard the bleeping noises from here. You came out with comments like 'lines of supply' when that wasn't the original point that was being made.

If you can re-post where I have said Gabby has been good and scores plenty of goals, then feel free. All I said was that i'd prefer him out of the Stoke three you mentioned.
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Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2014, 01:59:03 PM
Surely the most accurate answer to "who's got the best strikers in the lower half of the Premiership?" would only come when we've strengthened our midfield. We know that Bent and Gabby are capable of scoring goals when the right players are around them (they did fine in periods over the last few years). We know that Weimann can score if given a more central role. We know that Benteke and Kozak have goals in them, both from their time at VP and elsewhere. And we might even get a glimpse of Robinson's potnential at some point this season.
The challenge is to get the right service to our attack and the right level of midfield defensive cover. without further strengthening of the MF, we'll wallow again in the deep waters of the bottom quarter.

If and when we bring in two decent MF, we can have a decent discussion about the comparative merits of our strikers versus others.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
I made a direct comparison between Walters and Gabby. You asked me how many goals Walters scored last season. When it was apparent that it was more than Gabby you changed tack on the point you were making. And if we're not comparing their scoring record, what are we comparing? Assists?
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
If we had the midfield capable of supplying our forwards on a regular basis, then we wouldn't be in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
I made a direct comparison between Walters and Gabby. You asked me how many goals Walters scored last season. When it was apparent that it was more than Gabby you changed tack on the point you were making. And if we're not comparing their scoring record, what are we comparing? Assists?

I wasn't asking in comparison to Gabby's, I was asking in general because I don't rate the bloke. You made the comparison, not me. Besides, you also mentioned a striker who last played for us in 1935 but to save you further embarrassment, let's gloss over that one.
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Post by: Monty on July 18, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
I think Gabby and Weimann have more talent than most, but for whatever reason we're not seeing it anywhere near enough. Walters is about as good as he ever will be, and Odemwingie blows hot and cold, and that's pretty much the story for most players at this sort of level. We do know, I think, that we have by some distance the best striker in the bottom half of the division. The question, therefore, is why are the rest of them so bad.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
If we had the midfield capable of supplying our forwards on a regular basis, then we wouldn't be in the bottom half.

I agree with this, which is kind of why I disagreed with your original post. When you say "forward options" that I include all attacking options, which our midfield largely don't.

If you're talking specifically about centre-forwards, then you may be right. Although, as a starting pair, I still think Bony and Gomis will score a lot of goals next season.
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Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
I made a direct comparison between Walters and Gabby. You asked me how many goals Walters scored last season. When it was apparent that it was more than Gabby you changed tack on the point you were making. And if we're not comparing their scoring record, what are we comparing? Assists?

I wasn't asking in comparison to Gabby's, I was asking in general because I don't rate the bloke. You made the comparison, not me. Besides, you also mentioned a striker who last played for us in 1935 but to save you further embarrassment, let's gloss over that one.

The whole conversation was based on a comparison between our strikeforce and Stoke's. If you're getting confused it's quite simple to go back page-by-page and re-read the posts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
If we had the midfield capable of supplying our forwards on a regular basis, then we wouldn't be in the bottom half.

I agree with this, which is kind of why I disagreed with your original post. When you say "forward options" that I include all attacking options, which our midfield largely don't.

If you're talking specifically about centre-forwards, then you may be right.

At last, he's got the original point. It's only taken two hours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
If we had the midfield capable of supplying our forwards on a regular basis, then we wouldn't be in the bottom half.

I agree with this, which is kind of why I disagreed with your original post. When you say "forward options" that I include all attacking options, which our midfield largely don't.

If you're talking specifically about centre-forwards, then you may be right.

At last, he's got the original point. It's only taken two hours.

Maybe if I come back in about another 2 you'll have worked out that I still disagree with it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
I made a direct comparison between Walters and Gabby. You asked me how many goals Walters scored last season. When it was apparent that it was more than Gabby you changed tack on the point you were making. And if we're not comparing their scoring record, what are we comparing? Assists?

I wasn't asking in comparison to Gabby's, I was asking in general because I don't rate the bloke. You made the comparison, not me. Besides, you also mentioned a striker who last played for us in 1935 but to save you further embarrassment, let's gloss over that one.

The whole conversation was based on a comparison between our strikeforce and Stoke's.

Exactly and I believe I said that i'd rather have our fit front three of Gabby, Weimann and Bent than theirs and so did a few others.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
You really think there is a better centre forward in the bottom half than Benteke? I would have a strong argument if I had asked if there is a better centre forward in the country than Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
If we had the midfield capable of supplying our forwards on a regular basis, then we wouldn't be in the bottom half.

I agree with this, which is kind of why I disagreed with your original post. When you say "forward options" that I include all attacking options, which our midfield largely don't.

If you're talking specifically about centre-forwards, then you may be right.

At last, he's got the original point. It's only taken two hours.

Maybe if I come back in about another 2 you'll have worked out that I still disagree with it?

Come back in two hours time and you'll still have no idea what you're disagreeing with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
It's ok, I figured-out how to go back a few pages. It's this;

"We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half."

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
It's ok, I figured-out how to go back a few pages. It's this;

"We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half."



Then you brought up Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2014, 02:22:14 PM
Stoke finished top half anyway, so you can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
It's ok, I figured-out how to go back a few pages. It's this;

"We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half."



Anyway, for the risk of boring people, let's leave it there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
You really think there is a better centre forward in the bottom half than Benteke? I would have a strong argument if I had asked if there is a better centre forward in the country than Benteke.

No, I agree with you on that. It's the totality of our "forward options" that I think is inferior to some other clubs in that group. Stoke (and I know I'm harping on about them) have Arnautović, a player who should comfortably chip-in with 5 goals and 7-10 assists next season. He's not a centre-forward, but am I wrong in including him in their 'forward options'? Similarly Newcastle have Ben Arfa and Cabella, Swansea have Dyer. Palace are on the verge of signing Sigurdsson!!?!

There is no-one in our squad who I would expect to do that, and I include N'Zogbia and Cole in that too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
It's ok, I figured-out how to go back a few pages. It's this;

"We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half."



Anyway, for the risk of boring people, let's leave it there.

Agreed. It's 32 degrees where am I and I hate the heat, so I'm probably just arguing myself round in circles. Apologies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
It's ok, I figured-out how to go back a few pages. It's this;

"We have significantly better forward options than anybody else in the bottom half."



Anyway, for the risk of boring people, let's leave it there.

Agreed. It's 32 degrees where am I and I hate the heat, so I'm probably just arguing myself round in circles. Apologies.

Not a problem, it's been a hoot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2014, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
If we had the midfield capable of supplying our forwards on a regular basis, then we wouldn't be in the bottom half.

I agree with this, which is kind of why I disagreed with your original post. When you say "forward options" that I include all attacking options, which our midfield largely don't.

If you're talking specifically about centre-forwards, then you may be right. Although, as a starting pair, I still think Bony and Gomis will score a lot of goals next season.

Bony is less likely to play for Swansea than Kozak and Benteke are to play for us but you complained about us including them.  if they keep him then I agree Swansea have a good pair of forwards, neither are on the level of Benteke though and Gomis is new to the league and a, roughly, 1 in 3 striker in a weaker league so is probably on a par with Kozak.  If we can get some sort of form from the other 3 as well they're got nothing like those options in reserve.

Forward options is literally options to play as forwards, so in direct response we have better options to play as forwards than anyone other than: Man city, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U - and I think it's pretty close with Arsenal.

That a lot of that rests on the fact that we have a guy who is one of the best strikers in the league doesn't matter.  Our team has a lot of goals in it, if we can find a way of making the most of that potential we'll be pushing for a European place rather than worrying about relegation.

I happen to think we've got a decent amount of goals acorss the team now, Bacuna and Richardson both look well capable of scoring, Delph and Westwood showed last year they they can chip in with a few and I'd expect Cole and Nzog to get a few each as well.  If Gardner can stay fit and force his way in he's always had a good scoring record at whatever level he's played and I'd back him to continue that.
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 02:30:57 PM
If it helps, when I said forward line, I was meaning strikers. I would inlcude Gabby and Andi in that, as that is what they are, even if they have been played out wide.
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Post by: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.
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Post by: godzvilla on July 18, 2014, 03:31:40 PM
The Times today reporting that we hope to tie up the signing of Ki , prior to the Team leaving for the U.S...........Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

he's hardly going to sign pay as you play. You give those to players who are practically dead looking for a gig somewhere.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
you mean like Joe Cole?
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

he's hardly going to sign pay as you play. You give those to players who are practically dead looking for a gig somewhere.

Fuck him off then
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Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

Your right, we should hare on the side of caution here.
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Post by: regular_john on July 18, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

Your right, we should hare on the side of caution here.

The guy made a typo, don't rabbit on about it! It really Bugs me when people do that
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Post by: Ads on July 18, 2014, 03:58:21 PM
Fuck no to another pun-a-thon.
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Post by: Dr Butler on July 18, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 03:58:21 PM
Fuck no to another pun-a-thon.

Don't worry bright eyes :)
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

he's hardly going to sign pay as you play. You give those to players who are practically dead looking for a gig somewhere.

He might if the condition of the 'pay if you play' clause maintains his current £50k a week (say £25k if not playing) versus the alternative offer of a flat £30k/week (or something like that).
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

he's hardly going to sign pay as you play. You give those to players who are practically dead looking for a gig somewhere.

He might if the condition of the 'pay if you play' clause maintains his current £50k a week (say £25k if not playing) versus the alternative offer of a flat £30k/week (or something like that).

He's an established PL footballer and is only 27 years old. He's going to get paid somewhere. I don't know what he's on but he's going to want to maintain his salary or at least as much as possible in the next deal. It's only natural. It might be structured with a greater emphasis on incentives but he's not going to accept a £25k a week drop. If he's on £50k, he might drop to £40k with the rest in bonus if it guarantees some long term security. But he's not going to accept not being paid because he wasn't picked that week.
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Post by: oldtimernow on July 18, 2014, 04:49:41 PM
He'd be worth it if he beavered away..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

he's hardly going to sign pay as you play. You give those to players who are practically dead looking for a gig somewhere.

He might if the condition of the 'pay if you play' clause maintains his current £50k a week (say £25k if not playing) versus the alternative offer of a flat £30k/week (or something like that).

He's an established PL footballer and is only 27 years old. He's going to get paid somewhere. I don't know what he's on but he's going to want to maintain his salary or at least as much as possible in the next deal. It's only natural. It might be structured with a greater emphasis on incentives but he's not going to accept a £25k a week drop. If he's on £50k, he might drop to £40k with the rest in bonus if it guarantees some long term security. But he's not going to accept not being paid because he wasn't picked that week.

I think we're largely arguing the same thing TV.  The possible difference being that I cannot see Villa offering to match his current/reported £50k a week flat salary.  Therefore he either either accepts an incentivised contract (as you described) or he leaves for nothing next year where I'd imagine he'd get the £50k pretty easily.  The decision is largely up to Villa, not Gabby, and my guess is we cannot currently afford to make such an offer, especially with Delph and Vlaar arguably being more deserving of a pay-rise.
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Post by: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: regular_john on July 18, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Did Agbonlahor sign a new contract?

I know he's a Villa fan and all that but he's an impact sub at best.

I'd only give him a contract if he signed one on reduced terms, or pay as you play, he just isn't good enough to warren £50k a week

Your right, we should hare on the side of caution here.

The guy made a typo, don't rabbit on about it! It really Bugs me when people do that

I'm not a fan of his but I demand we sell him now for his hand in starting another pun-a-thon.

I hope he's not on anywhere near £50 k a week.
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2014, 06:05:07 PM
I heard somebody call him Gary Agbonlahor last night
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: Malandro on July 18, 2014, 06:05:07 PM
I heard somebody call him Gary Agbonlahor last night

Do you have a rabbit called Gary?
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Post by: frank black on July 18, 2014, 07:24:03 PM
Gabby angoralahor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: Malandro on July 18, 2014, 06:05:07 PM
I heard somebody call him Gary Agbonlahor last night

Do you have a rabbit called Gary?

no but I have a dog called Shteeven
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Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2014, 08:40:17 PM
Darren Bent, worked hard, scored twice. Playing for a move? Er, yup. Hopefully it puts a few quid on the asking price.
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Post by: brian green on July 18, 2014, 08:47:51 PM
I imagine that the amount it will boost will be his future wages.   I can't see him ever being sold for real cash money.
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Post by: silhillvilla on July 18, 2014, 08:57:07 PM
Has Agbongalor put pen to paper then ?
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2014, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2014, 08:57:07 PM
Has Agbongalor put pen to paper then ?

He's still at the learning to hold pen stage
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Post by: peter w on July 18, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
Paulie, you're spot on with your assessment, but I will admit that Gabby gets more wiggle room from me, purely on a sentimental basis.




From 4:24 onwards.

You see that's where the prosecution rests. With us in the city you must be clearly stupid, mental, or devoid of all manner of any sense to follow that bunch of Shit. I mean, seriously, why would you? There is just no sense to it.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Sunderland spending £14m. West Brom spending £10m. Are we gonna show any ambition, or are we just gonna stand still?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2014, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Sunderland spending £14m. West Brom spending £10m. Are we gonna show any ambition, or are we just gonna stand still?

Keeping vlaar, benteke, delph and guzan is probably worth more than any signings our rivals have done. Just hope it stays like that.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
Who have they spent it on?
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Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
Some random Nigerian from Dynamo Kiev who I've never heard of. But does have a decent scoring record judging by Wikipedia.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
Sunderland haven't spend anything this summer?

Both those it's safe to say will be down there, hopefully below us.
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Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
They're buying Borini for 14 million but as he was there on loan last year that's not going to strengthen them.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.


That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

Going back to what I said, I don't think its even arguable. Benteke is better than pretty much every forward in the league and miles ahead of anything else in the bottom half.



Interesting point.

What I would say to that is we must have (bar the promoted three) one of the worst midfields in the league for actually creating chances. Dosen't help we generally don't have a clue at set pieces either.

That means it's often left to the front three to create stuff themselves with their pace. On his day Gabby can do that and when on form Benteke does it every game but when it doesn't happen we just don't look like scoring.

That's what I worry about start of the season really, where are the goals coming from as apart from the Hull game we barely scored the last 8 games of the season.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

I think that's a valid point.

It's not so much about the specific club or players, but they're showing a willingness to spend to acquire players they feel will make them better.

We, on the other hand, look like we're not spending anything.

I find it hard to imagine us spending 10m on a player in the near future, I know that much.

Spending big money on players doesn't guarantee you'll do well, but not spending it pretty much guarantees you won't.
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Post by: peter w on July 18, 2014, 10:04:48 PM
Fulham have spent £11m on McCormack. Just because a club spends that money means nothing. How much more ambition than us did Norwich show last season? Where are they now? For Norwich also look at the amounts spent by Cardiff and Fulham over the season. More than us, and showing by your criteria Bosko, more ambition than us.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:08:31 PM
I just feel like after 3 relegation battles on the spin, we should be spending money to improve our team. Sure, it might not work, but you have a better chance of succeeding if you show a little ambition.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
To paraphrase Clinton, "it's the midfield stupid!".

It's not a novel argument to say the midfield needs work, we've all been saying it for seasons now. We need somebody capable of shielding the back four/three and somebody capable of injecting impetus in attack. We also need a re-think in philosophy of how we treat the ball. We must learn to show patience and to probe, which involves movement, something we have struggled with.

It was promising last night to see Gardner start a move forty yards for goal and have the thought to move into space. We have good forwards, Cole and N'Zogbia offer some attacking intent for where we are at the moment, while a three at the back system allows our full/wing backs to really press on. But it counts for nothing if the midfield isn't winning the ball, keeping the ball and using it effectively.

 



Sorry Ads didn't see this post when I quoted your other one. Just reading through this thread for the first time today.

Yep our midfield is ridiculously uncreative. We just have so many average defensive minded players and hardly anyone who has a clue what to do in the central third.

It comes to something when West Ham came to VP last season in the bottom three and outplayed us in midfield. I looked at them and even though their players aren't anything special their midfield had balance e.g Noble was superb at shielding the back 4 and winning the ball and Nolan had his annual testimonial against us, the ball winner and the goalsoring midfielder. What do we have in comparison?

Same when Stoke battered us even though I think that game was one of those freak ones but still the principle applies, Glen Whelan shielding the back 4 and Nzonzi getting forward and that outplayed our middle trio.

Our midfield has been neglected for years now, only Delph is of significant top half consistant quality imo. I'm bored banging on about creativity as we just don't have the funds so will have to pin it on Joe Cole, N'zogbia and Grealish which doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 18, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

So Gabby, who averages about 1 in 4 for Villa is a "world beater on his day" but Crouch, who has a better than 1 in 2 ration for England is "not up to much even on his day"...?!

They've been trying to sell Crouch for the last year but it's a Heskey type scenario e.g. big earner in his 30s.

Arnautovic was the real star turn for them in the second half of the season, he was pretty good at VP from memory.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 10:14:33 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

He's 25, has les than a 1 in 2 ratio in a crap league.  Still prefer Benteke, whos younger, has a proven goal scoring record in this league and cost £3m less.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
They're buying Borini for 14 million but as he was there on loan last year that's not going to strengthen them.

Borini had a decent spell on loan for them but 14m is taking the p just a little bit...I'm sure Liverpool only signed him for 8m.

There's been a miscalculation somewhere I think.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2014, 10:17:33 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
Some random Nigerian from Dynamo Kiev who I've never heard of. But does have a decent scoring record judging by Wikipedia.

My mate txt me said he was kept out of the Nigeria team by ameobi. I'm not worried plus we don't need a striker
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Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Cool so Albion have signed a guy kept out of the Nigeria side for £10 million, and Sunderland have spent 14 on a striker that was ok for them on loan but really was a flop at Liverpool and were the world not insane Liverpool should have been facing a big loss on. But Sunderland have been stupid enough to pay what was asked. Hmmm. Well done Liverpool. Kozak with his 4 in 14 must be worth 12 on these prices, and Benteke has to be around 45 million.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/borini.943380/

1st page of this thread here, Sunderland fans think 7m for him is overpriced. Something is not right with that fee.

Remember last summer when Norwich were spending 30m and "showing ambition." QPR the previous summer.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 10:24:46 PM
Ricky van Wolfswinkel cost £9m.  That's all you need to know.  I honestly dont think we need strikers once Benteke and Kozak are fit.  Now creativity that is a different matter.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Cool so Albion have signed a guy kept out of the Nigeria side for £10 million, and Sunderland have spent 14 on a striker that was ok for them on loan but really was a flop at Liverpool and were the world not insane Liverpool should have been facing a big loss on. But Sunderland have been stupid enough to pay what was asked. Hmmm. Well done Liverpool. Kozak with his 4 in 14 must be worth 12 on these prices, and Benteke has to be around 45 million.

With those prices if Benteke comes back and scores 20 goals, then selling him next summer Lerner could probably get about a third of what he wants to sell the club for just from selling Benteke!
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Post by: peter w on July 18, 2014, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/borini.943380/

1st page of this thread here, Sunderland fans think 7m for him is overpriced. Something is not right with that fee.

Remember last summer when Norwich were spending 30m and "showing ambition." QPR the previous summer.

erm kind of what I said just a few posts earlier...
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 10:24:46 PM
Ricky van Wolfswinkel cost £9m.  That's all you need to know.  I honestly dont think we need strikers once Benteke and Kozak are fit.  Now creativity that is a different matter.

Is anyone even saying we do need a striker?
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 10:24:46 PM
Ricky van Wolfswinkel cost £9m.  That's all you need to know.  I honestly dont think we need strikers once Benteke and Kozak are fit.  Now creativity that is a different matter.

Is anyone even saying we do need a striker?

Now you come to mention it.  But I am sure if you look back on at least one of the 252 pages on this thread there will be a mention of one.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
Surely everyone knows we don't need a striker? Why do people keep pointing it out?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
Surely everyone knows we don't need a striker? Why do people keep pointing it out?

The "ambitious" signings you mentioned for the other clubs are both strikers so that's probably where the confusion is.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
Surely everyone knows we don't need a striker? Why do people keep pointing it out?


I get confused very easily.  Do I keep pointing something out?  I am in a tizz now.
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Post by: peter w on July 18, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Soccer HQ and kippax going at it is a bit like watching Arsenal v Newcastle circa 2002.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
Surely everyone knows we don't need a striker? Why do people keep pointing it out?

The "ambitious" signings you mentioned for the other clubs are both strikers so that's probably where the confusion is.

Yeah, I figured. £14m is mental for Borini, but fair play to them for spending that much on one player. Why can't we spend £14m on one player?
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Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
They're buying Borini for 14 million but as he was there on loan last year that's not going to strengthen them.

I like him as a player, but £14 million is nuts. 
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Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 10:57:25 PM
Everton have let Magaye Gueye leave on a free. 

Not a worldbeater by any means, but can play wide or up top and would increase our options without making a significant dent in the wage bill. Decent cover for Gabby, if nowt else. When he is injured, we lack pace to play on the counter effectively.

Looked lively when he faced us a few years ago.  Houllier recommended him to Moyes apparently.   
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2014, 11:01:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

I think that's a valid point.

It's not so much about the specific club or players, but they're showing a willingness to spend to acquire players they feel will make them better.

We, on the other hand, look like we're not spending anything.

I find it hard to imagine us spending 10m on a player in the near future, I know that much.

Spending big money on players doesn't guarantee you'll do well, but not spending it pretty much guarantees you won't.

Completely agree, our lack of ambition pretty depressing.
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Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 11:02:27 PM
Poor Joleon thinks he was sold a pup...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/joleon-lescott-unsettled-west-brom-3881958?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2014, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 18, 2014, 11:02:27 PM
Poor Joleon thinks he was sold a pup...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/joleon-lescott-unsettled-west-brom-3881958?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Whilst I will take every opportunity to laugh at them, this paragraph doesn't even make sense.

Quote
Albion are understood to have completed a club record £10million move for Dynamo Kiev striker Brown Ideye, but his capture is in stark contrast to the £12million signing of Enner Valencia by West Ham, another club that courted Lescott before he chose the Baggies.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 11:20:38 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2014, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
Surely everyone knows we don't need a striker? Why do people keep pointing it out?

The "ambitious" signings you mentioned for the other clubs are both strikers so that's probably where the confusion is.

Yeah, I figured. £14m is mental for Borini, but fair play to them for spending that much on one player. Why can't we spend £14m on one player?

Cheer up N'zogbia's back! :D
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Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 11:28:35 PM
With the cut price deals we have done so far, I think/ hope the intention is to put the bulk of any actual funds towards midfield.  One player in the centre of the park in the £8 million + bracket and things won't look so bleak.

If we overlook that area again Lambert should be sent to Highcroft.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 11:28:35 PM
With the cut price deals we have done so far, I think/ hope the intention is to put the bulk of any actual funds towards midfield.  One player in the centre of the park in the £8 million + bracket and things won't look so bleak.

If we overlook that area again Lambert should be sent to Highcroft.

If the Ki deal happens, I wouldn't be surprised if that will be it until others go out. 
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Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 11:35:20 PM
Had forgotten about Ki.  Depends on the price, obv.  But hopefully we'll be in the market for at least one more central midfielder even if we sign him.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 18, 2014, 11:35:21 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 18, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Soccer HQ and kippax going at it is a bit like watching Arsenal v Newcastle circa 2002.

I would love it, love it, love it if I beat Soccer HQ, and I tell ya something I else, I am still on this transfer thread, and I will fight to spread crap on it right to the end, make no mistake.
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Post by: Surrey Villain on July 18, 2014, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 11:28:35 PM
With the cut price deals we have done so far, I think/ hope the intention is to put the bulk of any actual funds towards midfield.  One player in the centre of the park in the £8 million + bracket and things won't look so bleak.

If we overlook that area again Lambert should be sent to Highcroft.


If the Ki deal happens, I wouldn't be surprised if that will be it until others go out. 

That seems to have gone very quiet unfortunately.
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Post by: David_Nab on July 18, 2014, 11:40:42 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2014, 11:28:35 PM
With the cut price deals we have done so far, I think/ hope the intention is to put the bulk of any actual funds towards midfield.  One player in the centre of the park in the £8 million + bracket and things won't look so bleak.

If we overlook that area again Lambert should be sent to Highcroft.

If we overlook that its more the fault of Randy than Lambert.The manager can only buy with the funds he has available and as it currently stands it looks as so we have pretty much zero.
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 18, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Quote from: frank black on July 18, 2014, 07:24:03 PM
Gabby angoralahor.

Now that is brilliant no matter how much you hate our punfests.
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 18, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Sunderland spending £14m. West Brom spending £10m. Are we gonna show any ambition, or are we just gonna stand still?

If you really wish us to spend £14m on Borini then I reckon you have flipped your lid.
Slumberland are desperate, they have fuck all real money and they have just spunked it all on a one goal in five forward.
And who have the PinStripeyFilth bought that we should be worrying about?
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 18, 2014, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

So let's go out and buy some random no-mark for a few million just for the sake of it?
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 12:01:37 AM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 18, 2014, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

So let's go out and buy some random no-mark for a few million just for the sake of it?

I don't think we should lose any sleep over either of these two signings.  However, I'd also wager that Smethwick and the like were pissing themselves at the £7m 'spunked' on some no mark called Christian Benteke.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 18, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Sunderland spending £14m. West Brom spending £10m. Are we gonna show any ambition, or are we just gonna stand still?

If you really wish us to spend £14m on Borini then I reckon you have flipped your lid.
Slumberland are desperate, they have fuck all real money and they have just spunked it all on a one goal in five forward.
And who have the PinStripeyFilth bought that we should be worrying about?

Did you miss the post where I said spending £14m on Borini is mental?
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2014, 12:34:30 AM
Mad mad bastards those black cats. They'll be down there again, with swansea and the tesco bags (excluding the newly promoted). Cracking bit of biz for liverpool though, and to think they could get remy for 8.
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Post by: supertom on July 19, 2014, 12:56:00 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2014, 12:34:30 AM
Mad mad bastards those black cats. They'll be down there again, with swansea and the tesco bags (excluding the newly promoted). Cracking bit of biz for liverpool though, and to think they could get remy for 8.
It's barking mad to think Borini could cost nearly twice as much as Remy.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 01:08:30 AM
it does't matter what we have spent today compared to others. It's what we do in total in the span of time we have in the window. If we signed two players next week are we suddenly better off than our rivals, or simply that we've made two signings? The time to judge will be when all of our player transactions are done and we see where we stand. Said this before, but in all of my years following the club I don't recall us never buying anyone during the summer. There's no reason to think this summer will be any different even if Randy doesn't finalize the sale of the club.
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Post by: David_Nab on July 19, 2014, 01:42:10 AM
The re using of the bomb squad and the freebie's' we have brought it seems to suggest we won't spend much.

Borini at 14mil is mad but sets a precedent for other transfers , there is not much value around at now teams have the new TV money it seems.Look at WHU they have spent 20 mil already and are still linked with more players.

Still Richardson came out of the blue so maybe we still have a few surprises left
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Post by: Ger Regan on July 19, 2014, 01:59:47 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 18, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 18, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Sunderland spending £14m. West Brom spending £10m. Are we gonna show any ambition, or are we just gonna stand still?

If you really wish us to spend £14m on Borini then I reckon you have flipped your lid.
Slumberland are desperate, they have fuck all real money and they have just spunked it all on a one goal in five forward. A
And who have the PinStripeyFilth bought that we should be worrying about?

Did you miss the post where I said spending £14m on Borini is mental?
You also said fair play to them for doing it. I guess fair play to us for giving heskey a 60 grand a week contract and beye 43 in the past too? Money isn't as important as smart signings. Not that I'm saying ours are that, mind.
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Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2014, 09:08:05 AM
Normally when the pinstripeyfilth spend money, they sell someone to balance the books so it'll be interesting to see if they do. As for Borini, i'm sorry but £14m is ridiculous. He's not that bloody good.
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Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
How much money we spend over the window is largely irrelevant, what matters is how much better the squad is than last year.

Right now we've done as good a job strengthening our squad as most of the teams around us, without having spent any money.

Cole gives us an option we didn't have last year.
Richardson is an upgrade on anyone we had at leftback last season (including Bertrand who i never warmed to unlike most)
Senderos gives us a bit more depth in a position where we've been left short 2 years running.

If we get a wide player and a defensive midfielder we'll have addressed all of the major problems in the squad, I don't care how much we spend on them so long as they're better than we have.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2014, 09:21:33 AM
Regarding Borini,it amazes me how a club can make a profit on a player that they don't want.  Didn't Liverpool buy him for 12 million ?
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Post by: claret and blue blood on July 19, 2014, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 19, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
How much money we spend over the window is largely irrelevant, what matters is how much better the squad is than last year.

Right now we've done as good a job strengthening our squad as most of the teams around us, without having spent any money.

Cole gives us an option we didn't have last year.
Richardson is an upgrade on anyone we had at leftback last season (including Bertrand who i never warmed to unlike most)
Senderos gives us a bit more depth in a position where we've been left short 2 years running.

If we get a wide player and a defensive midfielder we'll have addressed all of the major problems in the squad, I don't care how much we spend on them so long as they're better than we have.
Agreed , unlikely as it seems the re-integration of players plus the three signings gives us a lot of experience which we missed a lot last season. I have a strange and unusually optimistic feeling the balance we now have of youth and experience isnt bad at all.I think Lambert knows we need that missing midfielder and he has been linked with a wide player , so fingers crossed !
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Well I think there's a direct correlation between how much money we spend and how much better of squad will be than last year. Therefore the money we spend is important.
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Post by: Chris Smith on July 19, 2014, 10:43:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Well I think there's a direct correlation between how much money we spend and how much better of squad will be than last year. Therefore the money we spend is important.

In general that is true but it is by no means the whole truth. For example, if Vlaar runs down his contract and signs for free elsewhere next season somebody will be getting a very good player for nothing.

Three experienced free signings, the potential re-availability of the 'bomb squad' and players returning from injury already give us more depth to the squad.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Two things. I wonder if Randy has told Lambert to use the bomb squad because he thinks they are better than the players he's signed. Therefore a lack of trust in his spending regardless of whatever money might or might not be available. Secondly, the most important position to get covered this window is at defensive midfielder. If Lambert fails to address it this time then the man truly is a clown. Whatever cash might be available, I sincerely hope we spend it there. On who, I don't know.
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Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 19, 2014, 11:04:44 AM
Quote from: Newby on July 19, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Two things. I wonder if Randy has told Lambert to use the bomb squad because he thinks they are better than the players he's signed.

I think it's more a case of we've tried to unload several of these players in the last few years and not managed to do so. Now they're in the last year of their contracts and given Lerner isn't giving the impression he wants to spend significant money on bringing new players in, they may as well at least bolster the squad of available players
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 19, 2014, 10:43:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Well I think there's a direct correlation between how much money we spend and how much better of squad will be than last year. Therefore the money we spend is important.

In general that is true but it is by no means the whole truth. For example, if Vlaar runs down his contract and signs for free elsewhere next season somebody will be getting a very good player for nothing.

Three experienced free signings, the potential re-availability of the 'bomb squad' and players returning from injury already give us more depth to the squad.

Well yes obviously there are good people on frees, but even then they command high wages so that's back to money. I really believe we have to spend decent money on at least a couple of players to go with the squad fillers.
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Post by: Rigadon on July 19, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 19, 2014, 10:43:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Well I think there's a direct correlation between how much money we spend and how much better of squad will be than last year. Therefore the money we spend is important.

In general that is true but it is by no means the whole truth. For example, if Vlaar runs down his contract and signs for free elsewhere next season somebody will be getting a very good player for nothing.

Three experienced free signings, the potential re-availability of the 'bomb squad' and players returning from injury already give us more depth to the squad.

It might be an upgrade in terms of available numbers, but it might also be akin to topping up a weak cup of coffee with more water.   Or some old stale water.  Or something.

I do know that if Vlaar leaves this summer, which I would imagine being quite possible seeing as we have brought in Senderos, we certainly are not better off in a position we stank in last time out.   We absolutely can't lose any of very few premier league quality players (I think we have 5 or 6 proven ) and hope 'the bomb squad' will be like a new signing.
 
Richardson is an upgrade though, more please!


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Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 19, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
The only one of the three I am happy with is Richardson.  Cole is winding down his career and has a shocking injury record, and Sanderoes just isn't good enough at this level IMO.  He maybe better than some of what we have, but the difference is he is 29 and is not going to get any better, whereas someone like Clark I think does have promise and still has plenty of time to deliver on it.  I do feel bad for the manager with what he has to work with, but I am not convinced that right now we are that much stronger than last season.
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Post by: Steve kirk on July 19, 2014, 12:22:38 PM
The sticky plaster we have applied to the squad with the 3 signings plus returning bomb squad members and injured players makes us a little bit stronger but as others have said we need a quality midfielder plus another experienced centre back should Vlaar depart.
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Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have.

It's vital we sign a good central midfielder and I'm afraid they cost money. Hopefully we have some cash available.
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Post by: boboonthecorner on July 19, 2014, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2014, 09:21:33 AM
Regarding Borini,it amazes me how a club can make a profit on a player that they don't want.  Didn't Liverpool buy him for 12 million ?

I thought he looked a great player to be honest, maybe a little over the top but Liverpool don't have to sell. A reserve at a top 4 club is always going to go for me than us or one of the other teams who are making up the numbers ;)
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have.

It's vital we sign a good central midfielder and I'm afraid they cost money. Hopefully we have some cash available.

Much as I'd like to see the club sold, I think under the circumstances, we are progressing quite well for the new season. I take your point about the midfielder - I do hope and expect that to be sorted out.
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Post by: Dave on July 19, 2014, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2014, 09:08:05 AM
Normally when the pinstripeyfilth spend money, they sell someone to balance the books so it'll be interesting to see if they do. As for Borini, i'm sorry but £14m is ridiculous. He's not that bloody good.
Also, it doesn't actually improve them on where they were last season. Just like if we spent £7m on Bertrand, it wouldn't improve us on what we showed then.
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Post by: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM

"We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have " .

Sorry BoskoDjembaSalifou , that is a completely ridiculous & outrageous statement , particularly when it comes from a ' purported Villa Fan .
As a Club , Villa  has its faults , but name me a Club that has,nt , to vilify OUR Players , to generalise in such an extreme and unworthy manner does you no credit . Not one Villa player is worthy of this sort of vile abuse . If this is what you really think then why bother to call yourself a ' Supporter ' which I presume you do ? .   Please take your hostile and recreant views elsewhere or keep them to yourself .....................Godzvilla!
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Post by: Louzie0 on July 19, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Does anybody know if Ki was signed in time to get on the plane today for the Texas trip?
A quick Google of, 'Villa sign Ki' has only produced articles from 5 days ago, and I thought I read last night ( on here, somewhere) that it was happening!
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Post by: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 19, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Does anybody know if Ki was signed in time to get on the plane today for the Texas trip?
A quick Google of, 'Villa sign Ki' has only produced articles from 5 days ago, and I thought I read last night ( on here, somewhere) that it was happening!

The Times was saying yesterday that we were tring to sign him in time for the US Tour but its all gone quiet since then . We live in hope , as ever .................Godzvilla!
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Post by: mrastonvilla on July 19, 2014, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 19, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Does anybody know if Ki was signed in time to get on the plane today for the Texas trip?
A quick Google of, 'Villa sign Ki' has only produced articles from 5 days ago, and I thought I read last night ( on here, somewhere) that it was happening!

Not seen anything saying he has signed. Just the articles from last week and a few comments here and there saying we've bid for him.
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2014, 02:24:31 PM
Highly doubtful it's going to happen now.
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Post by: claret and blue blood on July 19, 2014, 02:25:30 PM
More likely to sign Ashley Young than Ki.
 ;)
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Post by: Louzie0 on July 19, 2014, 02:26:26 PM
Thanks for updates; as ever, fingers crossed!
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Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2014, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM

"We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have " .

Sorry BoskoDjembaSalifou , that is a completely ridiculous & outrageous statement , particularly when it comes from a ' purported Villa Fan .
As a Club , Villa  has its faults , but name me a Club that has,nt , to vilify OUR Players , to generalise in such an extreme and unworthy manner does you no credit . Not one Villa player is worthy of this sort of vile abuse . If this is what you really think then why bother to call yourself a ' Supporter ' which I presume you do ? .   Please take your hostile and recreant views elsewhere or keep them to yourself .....................Godzvilla!

It takes a special kind of Villa fan to call his team's players 'a pile of shit'. Absolutely unbelievable.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
James Milner is after playing time guarantee before committing his future to Citeh.
 Come home Jimmy.  (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-transfers-james-milner-7456062)
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2014, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
James Milner is after playing time guarantee before committing his future to Citeh.
 Come home Jimmy.  (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-transfers-james-milner-7456062)

Couldn't afford his wages
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2014, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2014, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
James Milner is after playing time guarantee before committing his future to Citeh.
 Come home Jimmy.  (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-transfers-james-milner-7456062)

Couldn't afford his wages

I can't see it with Ashley Young either. 
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
Not villa but made me laugh Joleon Lescott wants to leave West Brom just 28 days after signing for the club. (Source: Daily Mirror)
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
Phil, all football stories in The Mirror make me laugh.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2014, 03:38:23 PM
Yeah but be funny if it. Shades of unsworth
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Post by: Steve R on July 19, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2014, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
James Milner is after playing time guarantee before committing his future to Citeh.
 Come home Jimmy.  (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-transfers-james-milner-7456062)

Couldn't afford his wages

It's probably more a case of wouldn't rather than couldn't. Either way I suspect he's want a more likely club if he had a mind to move. Ideal takeover signing though.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2014, 03:49:23 PM
Fee for Ki agreed with Swansea apparently , but the player is weighing up other options
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 19, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Does anybody know if Ki was signed in time to get on the plane today for the Texas trip?
A quick Google of, 'Villa sign Ki' has only produced articles from 5 days ago, and I thought I read last night ( on here, somewhere) that it was happening!

The Times was saying yesterday that we were tring to sign him in time for the US Tour but its all gone quiet since then . We live in hope , as ever .................Godzvilla!
Apparently some of Europes 'bigger clubs' are showing interest in Ki.
 Goal.com  (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/07/19/4968817/ki-stalls-on-aston-villa-move)
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2014, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 19, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on July 19, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Does anybody know if Ki was signed in time to get on the plane today for the Texas trip?
A quick Google of, 'Villa sign Ki' has only produced articles from 5 days ago, and I thought I read last night ( on here, somewhere) that it was happening!

The Times was saying yesterday that we were tring to sign him in time for the US Tour but its all gone quiet since then . We live in hope , as ever .................Godzvilla!
Apparently some of Europes 'bigger clubs' are showing interest in Ki.
 Goal.com  (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/07/19/4968817/ki-stalls-on-aston-villa-move)

get your history books out sunshine, you wont do better than the villa
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Post by: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
Why is he waiting ? Who wouldn't want to be in a team with Hutton and Senderos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2014, 04:18:03 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

Why should we pull out if it's true? It's his move, you can't blame him for seeing who else is interested.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Ads on July 19, 2014, 04:29:43 PM
Goal.com isn't a reputable source.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM

"We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have " .

Sorry BoskoDjembaSalifou , that is a completely ridiculous & outrageous statement , particularly when it comes from a ' purported Villa Fan .
As a Club , Villa  has its faults , but name me a Club that has,nt , to vilify OUR Players , to generalise in such an extreme and unworthy manner does you no credit . Not one Villa player is worthy of this sort of vile abuse . If this is what you really think then why bother to call yourself a ' Supporter ' which I presume you do ? .   Please take your hostile and recreant views elsewhere or keep them to yourself .....................Godzvilla!

Not sure what the issue is here. It's common knowledge most of our squad is shit, we've been in a relegation battle for 3 consecutive seasons now.

I'm a Villa fan, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend everything is rosy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Steve kirk on July 19, 2014, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have.

It's vital we sign a good central midfielder and I'm afraid they cost money. Hopefully we have some cash available.


I think Bosco's response was directly after me saying we are a bit stronger, just adding the returning Okore and Nzogbia improves the squad, the 3 new additions have all played at a high level and are very experienced so again that has to help us going into the new season, to describe those 5 players as shit is a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
I meant just the ones we have signed so far.

You're right about Okore & N'Zogbia, having them back should make us stronger. Think they'll be important players for us!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 19, 2014, 12:26:37 PM

"We're not stronger than last year. We've just added more shit to the existing pile we have " .

Sorry BoskoDjembaSalifou , that is a completely ridiculous & outrageous statement , particularly when it comes from a ' purported Villa Fan .
As a Club , Villa  has its faults , but name me a Club that has,nt , to vilify OUR Players , to generalise in such an extreme and unworthy manner does you no credit . Not one Villa player is worthy of this sort of vile abuse . If this is what you really think then why bother to call yourself a ' Supporter ' which I presume you do ? .   Please take your hostile and recreant views elsewhere or keep them to yourself .....................Godzvilla!

Not sure what the issue is here. It's common knowledge most of our squad is shit, we've been in a relegation battle for 3 consecutive seasons now.

I'm a Villa fan, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend everything is rosy.

Common knowledge  ?! , “knowledge“ clearly is,nt  your forte , can you seriously describe the likes of Benteke , Vlaar , Delph , Okore , Cole , Grealish , Robinson , Guzan et al as " shit " ? . The word you use with such careless abandon  would perhaps best be used to describe what you are saying .
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.


Roy Keane called off the Sunderland transfer bid for David Nugent when he said he wanted to talk to Portsmouth as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 01:08:30 AM
it does't matter what we have spent today compared to others. It's what we do in total in the span of time we have in the window. If we signed two players next week are we suddenly better off than our rivals, or simply that we've made two signings? The time to judge will be when all of our player transactions are done and we see where we stand. Said this before, but in all of my years following the club I don't recall us never buying anyone during the summer. There's no reason to think this summer will be any different even if Randy doesn't finalize the sale of the club.
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If I remember right we didn't bring anyone in during the summers of 1982 and 1984.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.


Roy Keane called off the Sunderland transfer bid for David Nugent when he said he wanted to talk to Portsmouth as well.
That doesn't mean it's the sensible way to react.

I think that there's ample evidence to suggest that the opposite of whatever Roy Keane thinks might be the best way to do things when it comes to transfers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.


Roy Keane called off the Sunderland transfer bid for David Nugent when he said he wanted to talk to Portsmouth as well.
That doesn't mean it's the sensible way to react.

I think that there's ample evidence to suggest that the opposite of whatever Roy Keane thinks might be the best way to do things when it comes to transfers.

I was brought up with that philosophy (Yorkshire) and I admit it fails in almost all situations
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 06:11:30 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.


Roy Keane called off the Sunderland transfer bid for David Nugent when he said he wanted to talk to Portsmouth as well.
That doesn't mean it's the sensible way to react.

I think that there's ample evidence to suggest that the opposite of whatever Roy Keane thinks might be the best way to do things when it comes to transfers.

I wasn't saying I agreed with with Roy Keane. If you want a player you should accept he is entitled to speak to others clubs too. Also, Roy Keane may well not still think along the same lines as he did back then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 19, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!
Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2014, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.

I don't agree with this at all. It's his career and besides, it would be nicer if he turned down other clubs to join us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 19, 2014, 06:51:43 PM
The player can talk to whoever he wants,
 but as soon as you have gone as far as agreeing a fee with the club, then the next step is personal terms, if he doesn't want to commit at this stage because he thinks there are better options for him elsewhere, I'd leave it there,
 if we are a fallback position club, then he doesn't really want to come, won't give 100% and is better left alone

Obviously we don't know the full details if there is any so it all might be complete rubbish

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
I'm getting really tired with stories like this.  Are we still the only club to this day who have ever been done for tapping up?!  Just fcuk off and stop talking about a player you have no chance of signing.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9387705/Aston-Villa-defender-Rob-Vlaar-an-option-for-Southampton

Kippaxvilla2!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
With regards to Ki, I say fuck him too, the fucker.
Had enough in recent years with people that didn't want to be here from the start, N'Zogbia and Ireland to name but two.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
I'm getting really tired with stories like this.  Are we still the only club to this day who have ever been done for tapping up?!  Just fcuk off and stop talking about a player you have no chance of signing.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9387705/Aston-Villa-defender-Rob-Vlaar-an-option-for-Southampton

Kippaxvilla2!
See the last half dozen pages of the Vlaar thread.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 19, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
I'm getting really tired with stories like this.  Are we still the only club to this day who have ever been done for tapping up?!  Just fcuk off and stop talking about a player you have no chance of signing.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9387705/Aston-Villa-defender-Rob-Vlaar-an-option-for-Southampton

Kippaxvilla2!
See the last half dozen pages of the Vlaar thread.

Is this an indication of how lowly we rate now with the media? Our best players being linked with Southampton, QPR....Who next. Palace? Baggies?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 07:43:11 PM
It's transfer speculation though so I'm confused.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Borini going to Sunderland for £14mil. The market is crazy, we might get £10mil for Gabby at this rate... SELL SELL SELL!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
I wouldn't get all bent out of shape over Ki. No doubts it'll turn out to be a load of old scrotum that any bid has even been lodged. Equally, we also have to accept that, if he's as good as people say, we have to accept some competition for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 19, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
I'm getting really tired with stories like this.  Are we still the only club to this day who have ever been done for tapping up?!  Just fcuk off and stop talking about a player you have no chance of signing.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9387705/Aston-Villa-defender-Rob-Vlaar-an-option-for-Southampton

Kippaxvilla2!
See the last half dozen pages of the Vlaar thread.

Is this an indication of how lowly we rate now with the media? Our best players being linked with Southampton, QPR....Who next. Palace? Baggies?

If you wish to believe it off course. When was the last time one of our best players left for club like any one of those?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 19, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
Southgate and Ehiogu to the mighty 'boro.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 19, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 19, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
Southgate and Ehiogu to the mighty 'boro.

Yeah that was a hard one to take.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: clash city rocker on July 19, 2014, 09:38:30 PM
Apart from us fans do others now put us in the same bracket as QPR and Southampton ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2014, 09:51:03 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on July 19, 2014, 09:38:30 PM
Apart from us fans do others now put us in the same bracket as QPR and Southampton ?
the likes of Hull, Palace and Leicester probably.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 19, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
I'm getting really tired with stories like this.  Are we still the only club to this day who have ever been done for tapping up?!  Just fcuk off and stop talking about a player you have no chance of signing.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9387705/Aston-Villa-defender-Rob-Vlaar-an-option-for-Southampton

Kippaxvilla2!
See the last half dozen pages of the Vlaar thread.

Is this an indication of how lowly we rate now with the media? Our best players being linked with Southampton, QPR....Who next. Palace? Baggies?

If you wish to believe it off course. When was the last time one of our best players left for club like any one of those?

Downing to Liverpool :-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 19, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
I'm getting really tired with stories like this.  Are we still the only club to this day who have ever been done for tapping up?!  Just fcuk off and stop talking about a player you have no chance of signing.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9387705/Aston-Villa-defender-Rob-Vlaar-an-option-for-Southampton

Kippaxvilla2!
See the last half dozen pages of the Vlaar thread.

Is this an indication of how lowly we rate now with the media? Our best players being linked with Southampton, QPR....Who next. Palace? Baggies?

If you wish to believe it off course. When was the last time one of our best players left for club like any one of those?

James Collins to Wet Spam.
Albrighton to Leicester
Darius to the old Citeh
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 19, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
ffs he said one of our best players ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
Calm down.  At the time Darius was.  At the time Collins was our best Centre Half.  Albrighton is probably dodgy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
Post by: brontebilly on July 19, 2014, 11:00:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2014, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 19, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
If true I'd pull out. Likely that he'd have a deadline. IF true, mind you.

I'm with you on this Peter.  We need to show players that we've made an offer and that we'd appreciate a relatively speedy response.  Despite many saying we're no longer a big club, we're Aston Villa and the privilege for any player is to play for us.  If he procrastinates then fuck him,I would hope there are back- up choices, move on.
Yes fuck him  as soon as a player thinks twice about signing for us he isn't the player for Aston Villa.


Roy Keane called off the Sunderland transfer bid for David Nugent when he said he wanted to talk to Portsmouth as well.
That doesn't mean it's the sensible way to react.

I think that there's ample evidence to suggest that the opposite of whatever Roy Keane thinks might be the best way to do things when it comes to transfers.

agreed - Anton Ferdinand 8m, enough said
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
Calm down.  At the time Darius was.  At the time Collins was our best Centre Half.  Albrighton is probably dodgy.

you're making my point quite nicely for me. Thank you
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 19, 2014, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
Calm down.  At the time Darius was.  At the time Collins was our best Centre Half.  Albrighton is probably dodgy.

Vassell was definately on the way down when he went to City.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2014, 11:20:53 PM
We can't spend all summer complaining about the direction of travel at the club and worrying we're doomed, and then criticise a good player from surveying his options before signing for us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 19, 2014, 11:20:53 PM
We can't spend all summer complaining about the direction of travel at the club and worrying we're doomed, and then criticise a good player from surveying his options before signing for us

That's the thing.

I don't like the idea of Ki umming and aahing and checking out his options, and I don't like the idea of Vlaar deciding he's better off at Southampton or QPR (the issue not being that I think he'd go there, more that we're so feeble these days that it sounds even remotely feasible) but I entirely understand why they might take those options.

Let's be honest, we've finished 15th twice and 16th in the last three years. We might not be one of the worst three sides in the league this season (I certainly hope not) but if you look at our past, our traditions and our usual expectations, we look desperately unambitious - we're going nowhere, we can't even match up to the likes of Everton these days.

We're a mess, and I wouldn't blame any player for opting out of that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Southampton are in the process of selling their best players, having lost their manager and QPR got relegated the year before last. I hardly think either are that much better off than us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Southampton are in the process of selling their best players, having lost their manager and QPR got relegated the year before last. I hardly think either are that much better off than us.

That's totally not the point.

The point is that we are now in a situation to consider it even remotely viable that players playing for us might want to leave and join the likes of Southampton or QPR. We look and smell like a club with no real ambition - and that's because that is what we are.

We have no ambition beyond staying up while Lerner attempts to sell us. That's really pretty clear. That's why we've signed Joe Cole, Philip Senderos and Kieran Richardson, and done nothing for three years to suggest we're even trying to achieve anything.

Really, how are we any different from the likes of Southampton or QPR? We're not. We've got a nice ground and a great history, but in terms of ambitions, we're no different.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 19, 2014, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Southampton are in the process of selling their best players, having lost their manager and QPR got relegated the year before last. I hardly think either are that much better off than us.

Southampton are miles better than us. With the amount of cash they have at their disposal, they should have no trouble buying sufficient quality for a comfortable mid table finish. The fees they got for Shaw and Lallana are utterly ridiculous.

QPR's chance of staying up depend on who Redknapp can convince Fernandez to lose his shirt on all over again. Will be interesting to see how Charlie Austin gets on in the top division.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
You only have to look at Smethwick being prepared to better our offer of wages to sign Lescott to measure how far down the relevance or ambition order we have fallen.  This 'we're Aston Villa stuff' simply cuts no ice any more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2014, 11:37:36 PM
We are not. But I fancy if Vlaar does go, it will be to a bigger club. Southampton are not and never will be. Vlaar if available will go to a top side. I hope.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
You only have to look at Smethwick being prepared to better our offer of wages to sign Lescott to measure how far down the relevance or ambition order we have fallen.  This 'we're Aston Villa stuff' simply cuts no ice any more.

It was bad enough when we couldn't match Albion's wages to take Lukaku on loan. We've suspected Lerner had lost interest for 2 or 3 years, and his statement has just made it clear. He'll now use that as the excuse to not invest.

The sooner he sells up to someone who cares, the better.

I just don't see how anyone can think we have any ambition at all at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2014, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
You only have to look at Smethwick being prepared to better our offer of wages to sign Lescott to measure how far down the relevance or ambition order we have fallen.  This 'we're Aston Villa stuff' simply cuts no ice any more.

It was bad enough when we couldn't match Albion's wages to take Lukaku on loan. We've suspected Lerner had lost interest for 2 or 3 years, and his statement has just made it clear. He'll now use that as the excuse to not invest.

The sooner he sells up to someone who cares, the better.

I just don't see how anyone can think we have any ambition at all at the moment.

The lack of any even rumoured interest is so depressing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Peanuts. Monkeys.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
I actually am trying to see the positives for this season.  I am trying to believe that Bent's brace against Mansfield is the beginning of him bagging 20 for us this season.  I am trying to believe that Hutton will be a good right back.  I am trying to believe that Joe Cole will have his best season ever and will be the defence splitting passer we have so badly missed.  I am trying to believe that Philip Senderos will defy the mockers and will stand tall and make us a rock at the back.  I am trying to believe that Ron Vlaar will repay our loyality in taking a chance on him despite his injury record, and our continued loyalty during his lengthy injury spells.  I am trying to believe that we will tie Fabian down on a lengthy new contract..................but it is just so damn hard to believe....................

Let's finish this off with another comment on the bomb squad fiasco.  No one really knows what went on there.  There were hints about it being down to wages but we simple folk think that players are paid the same whether or not they play.  So what we had was innuendo and hints here and there which made the situation worse.  Why not simply come out and say we cannot afford to play these players because of the structure of their contracts. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
I could be wrong. I could be misjudging Ron's character, but at this stage I just don't see him leaving us for a Soton or QPR just for money. Having come within sniffing distance of the World Cup, I think if he does fancy a move, he'll only do so to a club capable of challenging for a trophy. If Utd make us a suitable offer he'd go.
I think Ron, at this stage of his career would take winning things over simply going to a nothing club just to rake in the cash. If he wants to move just for money he's better off seeing out his final year and moving on a free. Minus a fee he's bound to tack on an extra chunk of cash by going on a bosman, maybe even a hearty signing on bonus.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2014, 12:25:41 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2014, 06:17:33 PM
I don't agree with this at all. It's his career and besides, it would be nicer if he turned down other clubs to join us.
Fine you don't have to agree and Ki can roll his career into a ball and shove it up his arse. As soon as a player starts to rethink he is not for us. Yes it would be nicer if he turned away from Barca but it's likely to be Crystal Palace!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on July 20, 2014, 12:27:11 AM
I would be well pist off of if he goes to the likes of Southampton or QPR, not at him, but at the club that they are offering him more. Shows how low we have gone. Maybe Man Ure and have to say I would not blame him at that choice, especially when he hasnt been offered a new contract it seems  :-[
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2014, 12:28:44 AM
kippaxvilla2=Dr Martin Luther King.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 20, 2014, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
I actually am trying to see the positives for this season.  I am trying to believe that Bent's brace against Mansfield is the beginning of him bagging 20 for us this season.  I am trying to believe that Hutton will be a good right back.  I am trying to believe that Joe Cole will have his best season ever and will be the defence splitting passer we have so badly missed.  I am trying to believe that Philip Senderos will defy the mockers and will stand tall and make us a rock at the back.  I am trying to believe that Ron Vlaar will repay our loyality in taking a chance on him despite his injury record, and our continued loyalty during his lengthy injury spells.  I am trying to believe that we will tie Fabian down on a lengthy new contract..................but it is just so damn hard to believe....................

Let's finish this off with another comment on the bomb squad fiasco.  No one really knows what went on there.  There were hints about it being down to wages but we simple folk think that players are paid the same whether or not they play.  So what we had was innuendo and hints here and there which made the situation worse.  Why not simply come out and say we cannot afford to play these players because of the structure of their contracts. 

That is a good point you make in the last sentence. The fact that the players in question were and are on high wages is not a direct causal explanation for their being ostracised, athough it is clearly a factor.

Possible reasons:
1. We want to encourage them to leave and this will send the message.
2. We cannot afford clauses in their contracts based on appearances and performance and so on.
3. Team morale. We cannot build a young hungry team when a few players are earning several times more than most of the team.

I have seen reason three once in all of the press releases. The club obviously are of the opinion that we do not need to know. They are not alone in this: most football clubs do the same.

My own view, which is probably a minority one, is that I think the players concerned would indeed have had an adverse effect on the project/experiment underway.

Whatever the ultimate cause, it is a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 02:42:42 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Southampton are in the process of selling their best players, having lost their manager and QPR got relegated the year before last. I hardly think either are that much better off than us.

That's totally not the point.

The point is that we are now in a situation to consider it even remotely viable that players playing for us might want to leave and join the likes of Southampton or QPR. We look and smell like a club with no real ambition - and that's because that is what we are.

We have no ambition beyond staying up while Lerner attempts to sell us. That's really pretty clear. That's why we've signed Joe Cole, Philip Senderos and Kieran Richardson, and done nothing for three years to suggest we're even trying to achieve anything.

Really, how are we any different from the likes of Southampton or QPR? We're not. We've got a nice ground and a great history, but in terms of ambitions, we're no different.

Your last couple of sentences backs up the entire point I'm making. Southampton are every bit like us at the moment. They've sold their best players and allowed their highly rated manager to walk out. Where is their ambition, and why on earth would Ron Vlaar, captain of our club, 29 years old, one of the top defenders at the WC leave one unsettled situation for another? That's precisely the point I am making. I'm not saying he won't leave. I'm saying if he does it will be a team much better off than the likes of Southampton or QPR.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2014, 02:50:57 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 02:42:42 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Southampton are in the process of selling their best players, having lost their manager and QPR got relegated the year before last. I hardly think either are that much better off than us.

That's totally not the point.

The point is that we are now in a situation to consider it even remotely viable that players playing for us might want to leave and join the likes of Southampton or QPR. We look and smell like a club with no real ambition - and that's because that is what we are.

We have no ambition beyond staying up while Lerner attempts to sell us. That's really pretty clear. That's why we've signed Joe Cole, Philip Senderos and Kieran Richardson, and done nothing for three years to suggest we're even trying to achieve anything.

Really, how are we any different from the likes of Southampton or QPR? We're not. We've got a nice ground and a great history, but in terms of ambitions, we're no different.

Your last couple of sentences backs up the entire point I'm making. Southampton are every bit like us at the moment. They've sold their best players and allowed their highly rated manager to walk out. Where is there ambition, and why on earth would Ron Vlaar, captain of our club, 29 years old, one of the top defenders at the WC leave one unsettled situation for another? That's precisely the point I am making. I'm not saying he won't leave. I'm saying if he does it will be a team much better off than the likes of Southampton or QPR.

The only possible reason I could see him choosing Southampton would be to play for the manager there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:48:28 AM
Maybe, or given the choice of the two so situations maybe he'll carry on playing for a manager that bought him to the PL and has shown faith on him. My guy I instinct is that he'll see out his contract with us and we'll only see him move if the offer is a bit mental. Not like that couldn't happen considering some of the deals we've already seen this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 20, 2014, 07:07:24 AM
Arsenal apparently keen on Ki, so i can understand him stalling, hopefully they'll look elsewhere and we can snap him up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 20, 2014, 07:59:37 AM
I'd imagine the papers will report that every Tom, Dick and Harry will be in for Vlaar until he is back from his World Cup rest. At that point I'd imagine Lambert will sit down with him and he'll sign a new contract, as he did with Benteke last summer.

A good player playing well at the World Cup whilst playing for a club of our stature is too irresistible for those writing various gossip columns in the newspapers. Here's hoping a new contract will put an end to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
How about a loan deal for this chap?  Always seems to play well against us:

Newcastle midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa, 27, has not been given a squad number for the new season. Daily Mirror
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
How about a loan deal for this chap?  Always seems to play well against us:

Newcastle midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa, 27, has not been given a squad number for the new season. Daily Mirror

As nice an idea as that is, i'd be surprised if they loaned him to us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 20, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 20, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
How about a loan deal for this chap?  Always seems to play well against us:

Newcastle midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa, 27, has not been given a squad number for the new season. Daily Mirror

As nice an idea as that is, i'd be surprised if they loaned him to us.





He fell out with Pardew a couple of times last season and has now been fined and sent to train with the under 21's because Pardew reckons he came back to training overweight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 20, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 09:25:56 AM
How about a loan deal for this chap?  Always seems to play well against us:

Newcastle midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa, 27, has not been given a squad number for the new season. Daily Mirror

As nice an idea as that is, i'd be surprised if they loaned him to us.

He is seemingly a bit of a 'wrong un' so I'd be reluctant to sign him on a long deal despite being a talented player.
A loan deal would take him off Newcastle's wage bill and potentially the trouble off their hands.  Their choice whether they'd accept it or not.  Depends on who else comes in for him I guess.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on July 20, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
Reports coming out Ki has now turned us down now. Depressing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on July 20, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
Reports coming out Ki has now turned us down now. Depressing
Not surprising, if true.
Until the ownership thing is sorted it is likely to be a blocker to acquisition simply becuase players and (more relevantly) their agents will be wary about the uncertainty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 20, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Suprised if he has turned us down ( similar situation with Borini at Sunderland ) as generally the club will have spoken to the players agent to see if they are prepared to move before it gets to the bid stage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2014, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on July 20, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
Reports coming out Ki has now turned us down now. Depressing
I guess we move on. I'd honestly prefer a bit more of an up and at them kind of signing in midfielder to be honest. Ki is an upgrade on Westwood, but like Westy, he's neither defensive, nor much of an attacking threat. I think we've got our quota of tidy midfielders. I'd like someone who can sit in front of the back four and help cover the fullbacks, allowing our more forward thinking mids to push on. Essentially a more talented version of Herd.

That said it perhaps suggest we're going to find it hard to attract the level of signing above what we've been going for so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 20, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Suprised if he has turned us down ( similar situation with Borini at Sunderland ) as generally the club will have spoken to the players agent to see if they are prepared to move before it gets to the bid stage.
There's been conflicting reports. Some say that Swansea want to keep him now and will offer a new deal. Others say he's got other potential suitors interested, including (but not very likely) Arsenal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: supertom on July 20, 2014, 10:44:09 AM
[.. I'd like someone who can sit in front of the back four and help cover the fullbacks, allowing our more forward thinking mids to push on. Essentially a more talented version of Herd ...
Pity to see Lambert continuing to play Herd as a defender last week at Mansfield. Herd's ability to cover the full backs when playing in CMF was pretty good in the tSM season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 20, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
I won't get too depressed about Ki turning us down on the basis that I couldn't begin to tell you what kind of player he is or his ability. However, I'd be a bit nonplussed if Lambert doesn't have an alternative.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 20, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
I won't get too depressed about Ki turning us down on the basis that I couldn't begin to tell you what kind of player he is or his ability. However, I'd be a bit nonplussed if Lambert doesn't have an alternative.

I think it's more indicative of what we're offering.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on July 20, 2014, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 20, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
I won't get too depressed about Ki turning us down on the basis that I couldn't begin to tell you what kind of player he is or his ability. However, I'd be a bit nonplussed if Lambert doesn't have an alternative.

I think it's more indicative of what we're offering.

And where we're at as a club. You really couldn't blame anyone for not wanting to come to us at the moment,  complete uncertainty from the Boardroom to the Backroom.

I cannot see either Vlaar or Delph signing new contracts until something gets sorted ownership wise, that's even if Lerner has the gumption to offer them one, and anyone with ambition will and should run a mile from us at he moment. It's sad and I hate it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
We really do need new owners asap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 12:14:06 PM
The thing about transfer gossip is that none of us really know what is true and what isn't. Like were we ever in for Ki as being suggested? The way it was initially presented was that we had talks and he was on the "verge" of signing. What if he wasn't at all and was talking to a number of clubs? It's no different to us being after Cambiasso or Delph moving to West Ham for £5m. Most of what we read is complete nonsense and not remotely close to what is actually happening behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
No we don't but you can make an educated guess that we're probably not offering a lot at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
Where has this been reported?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2014, 12:29:54 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/389845/Louis-van-Gaal-set-to-implement-punishing-new-training-regime-at-Manchester-United

I know it isn't related to us but I hope even half of this true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 20, 2014, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 19, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!
Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.


And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 20, 2014, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on July 20, 2014, 12:27:11 AM
I would be well pist off of if he goes to the likes of Southampton or QPR, not at him, but at the club that they are offering him more. Shows how low we have gone. Maybe Man Ure and have to say I would not blame him at that choice, especially when he hasnt been offered a new contract it seems  :-[

Sometimes we are guilty of falling back on the big club thing though.  Yes we are, and maybe always will be a big club, but Leeds are a big club also and look what happened to them.  Being a big club in itself is not always enough to attract top players/very good ones, or even hold on to them.   I think a lot of Footballers would think that Southampton are a better prospect than Villa right now.  I don't buy into the doom surrounding them, even if they lose all of their top players, there should still be enough in the team to keep them safe while they are rebuilding.  They might slip into mid-table this season, but I don't think they are in that much danger of actually going down, and they have the structure and the money to rebuild, it just may take some time. 

The Vlaar to Saints rumor could be rubbish, but if he did go there I don't think I would be that surprised. QPR are different, because they are pretty much in the same position as us, maybe worse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 20, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 20, 2014, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 19, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!
Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.


And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !
Oh good, another poster who likes to dish it out, but cannot take anything in return.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 02:42:42 AM
Your last couple of sentences backs up the entire point I'm making. Southampton are every bit like us at the moment. They've sold their best players and allowed their highly rated manager to walk out. Where is their ambition, and why on earth would Ron Vlaar, captain of our club, 29 years old, one of the top defenders at the WC leave one unsettled situation for another? That's precisely the point I am making. I'm not saying he won't leave. I'm saying if he does it will be a team much better off than the likes of Southampton or QPR.
Southampton are selling from a position of strength and have got plenty of money in the bank from the players that left.

QPR have got pots of cash.

Villa have been fighting relegation for three years, have an owner who wants to sell but can't, no little or no money to spend and only two or three quality players the loss of any one of whom would seriously weaken the first team.

The "likes of Southampton or QPR" is an underestimation of the advantages they have and an overestimation of our club's current state.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 20, 2014, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 02:42:42 AM
Your last couple of sentences backs up the entire point I'm making. Southampton are every bit like us at the moment. They've sold their best players and allowed their highly rated manager to walk out. Where is their ambition, and why on earth would Ron Vlaar, captain of our club, 29 years old, one of the top defenders at the WC leave one unsettled situation for another? That's precisely the point I am making. I'm not saying he won't leave. I'm saying if he does it will be a team much better off than the likes of Southampton or QPR.
Southampton are selling from a position of strength and have got plenty of money in the bank from the players that left.

QPR have got pots of cash.

Villa have been fighting relegation for three years, have an owner who wants to sell but can't, no little or no money to spend and only two or three quality players the loss of any one of whom would seriously weaken the first team.

The "likes of Southampton or QPR" is an underestimation of the advantages they have and an overestimation of our club's current state.
I'm not actually sure that southampton have plenty of money, weren't they in a great deal of debt before the player sales?

EDIT: Linky (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26813363). Even after the couple of big sales it's not like they're flush.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:13:27 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 20, 2014, 04:07:50 PM
I'm not actually sure that southampton have plenty of money, weren't they in a great deal of debt before the player sales?
It's a fair point; digging around, the figure seems to be about £27M.  Or, to put it another way, Luke Shaw.

ETA - That's what I mean about selling from a position of strength.  Three players gone and they've cleared their debt and paid for their new training ground.  They've got another c. £20M coming from Lovren and still have Rodriguez as an asset should they wish to cash in.  Yes they'll have to rebuild the side but they're in a position that will allow them to do that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.
Put it another way TV: would you rather be in our position or Southampton's?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 20, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 20, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 20, 2014, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 19, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!
Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.


And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !
Oh good, another poster who likes to dish it out, but cannot take anything in return.

I,m sorry Ger Regan but how do you figure that out  ? , or maybe you also think the entire Villa Team is shit  (?), which was the original premise of this  argument , had you cared to check .
Mr Mod , I promise this is the last from me on this topic , I,ve  lost time that I,ll never find again .................Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 20, 2014, 04:36:58 PM
Odd that you talk about freedom of speech/ censorship, yet your opening post was essentially telling a fellow Villa fan to keep his opinions to himself.  Can't have it both ways.

And so what if he called the current squad a pile of shite.  I wouldn't have gone that far, but most would agree that the squad of players we have is pretty poor at present.  So it's hardly a leftfield statement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.
Put it another way TV: would you rather be in our position or Southampton's?

I honestly don't know. If I'm a Southampton fan though I'm hardly confident or happy about losing pretty much the best players and manager. You know how that could end up because we've been living it for the past few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
I honestly don't know. If I'm a Southampton fan though I'm hardly confident or happy about losing pretty much the best players and manager. You know how that could end up because we've been living it for the past few years.
Fair enough.  Speaking personally, I can't see many - if any - positives in our current situation and I don't suppose Vlaar or Benteke can either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 20, 2014, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 20, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 20, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 20, 2014, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 19, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 19, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as “shit “..............Godzvilla !
Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!
“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!
Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.


And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !
Oh good, another poster who likes to dish it out, but cannot take anything in return.

I,m sorry Ger Regan but how do you figure that out  ? , or maybe you also think the entire Villa Team is shit  (?), which was the original premise of this  argument , had you cared to check .
Mr Mod , I promise this is the last from me on this topic , I,ve  lost time that I,ll never find again .................Godzvilla !
I know fully well what the discussion was relating to, but thanks for your sarcasm, and for proving my case once again (for the record I don't believe the entire squad is shit), you overstepped the mark in making thinly veiled insults at other posters, including questioning whether they actually support the club. I remember you throwing your toys out of the pram when someone took your suggestion of Mjallby as assistant less than seriously, so there's a good deal of hypocrisy on your part here.

I'm tired of debating this with you too, but you've been warned by 2 different mods on this, if you want to keep posting on here, I suggest that you start paying attention to the warnings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 20, 2014, 06:28:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2014, 12:29:54 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/389845/Louis-van-Gaal-set-to-implement-punishing-new-training-regime-at-Manchester-United

I know it isn't related to us but I hope even half of this true.

Cot beds? Is it 1st April?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
I honestly don't know. If I'm a Southampton fan though I'm hardly confident or happy about losing pretty much the best players and manager. You know how that could end up because we've been living it for the past few years.
Fair enough.  Speaking personally, I can't see many - if any - positives in our current situation and I don't suppose Vlaar or Benteke can either.
Yeah but, no but ....
Southampton appear to be in freefall
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 20, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
I honestly don't know. If I'm a Southampton fan though I'm hardly confident or happy about losing pretty much the best players and manager. You know how that could end up because we've been living it for the past few years.
Fair enough.  Speaking personally, I can't see many - if any - positives in our current situation and I don't suppose Vlaar or Benteke can either.
Yeah but, no but ....
Southampton appear to be in freefall

I know. Entertaining :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2014, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 20, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Southampton appear to be in freefall
You care to make this interesting?  A bet on whether Southampton will finish above us next season?  I say they will.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.

Robinson out on loan maybe? Luna and Tonev go bye bye's.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.

Its a shame and I really wanted them to succeed but as Tonev sadly proved against Mansfield he just has not improved since last season. :(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 20, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.

I'm glad someone spelled it out. I was getting really confused.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.


Its a shame and I really wanted them to succeed but as Tonev sadly proved against Mansfield he just has not improved since last season. :(
Pleased to see Benteke and Kozak coming along. They can't be too far from returning then I suppose. Even if they're not quite at full training yet, it makes sense for them to be around the group and also watch what they're working on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 20, 2014, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 20, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.

Robinson out on loan maybe? Luna and Tonev go bye bye's.

We need to keep Tonev i think we are too quick to write players off. I think once he gets a goal he'll come to life, he actually runs at players which is something most of our players don't do. I would have took him to the USA instead of Enda.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 20, 2014, 10:24:21 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.

Its a shame and I really wanted them to succeed but as Tonev sadly proved against Mansfield he just has not improved since last season. :(

Gabby, Weimann and lots of others didn't look that great either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 20, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.


Its a shame and I really wanted them to succeed but as Tonev sadly proved against Mansfield he just has not improved since last season. :(
Pleased to see Benteke and Kozak coming along. They can't be too far from returning then I suppose. Even if they're not quite at full training yet, it makes sense for them to be around the group and also watch what they're working on.

Yeah that is good to see!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 20, 2014, 10:24:21 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.

Its a shame and I really wanted them to succeed but as Tonev sadly proved against Mansfield he just has not improved since last season. :(

Gabby, Weimann and lots of others didn't look that great either.

That is true, but Tonev needs to break into the squad. Those players already have proven they can play in the first team on their best days.

I love the idea of Tonev, I really wanted him to succeed, he isn't useless or terrible, but when he blasted it wide yet AGAIN against Mansfield when there were players open in the box I just rolled me eyes. My guess is lambert/keane and the rest of the team did the same..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2014, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
The squad for the US tour: http://bit.ly/1rgd6Ht

No Luna or Tonev which presumably means they're off (or forming a new breakaway Bomb Squad). No Robinson either though which is odd.

Robinson played in a 0-0 draw at Boston United yesterday.  It sounds like the US I suppose.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Tonev could also be a candidate to go on loan. 

We seem to expect young foreign players to come over, learn the language and fit in in less than a season.  Would we lose anything from Tonev, Sylla or Helnius joining championship clubs for the season?  I doubt it (their value is rock bottom anyway), but we could easily gain something.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Tonev could also be a candidate to go on loan. 

We seem to expect young foreign players to come over, learn the language and fit in in less than a season.  Would we lose anything from Tonev, Sylla or Helnius joining championship clubs for the season?  I doubt it (their value is rock bottom anyway), but we could easily gain something.

Helenius has gone back to Denmark already, and Sylla has been packed off to Turkey.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2014, 10:50:53 PM
I assume you know Helenius and Sylla have already left on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 10:51:41 PM
No Carruthers either from the squad on the OS, hope he has not hurt himself again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2014, 10:52:17 PM
Not another why didn't Barry take the penalty exchange I hope.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 20, 2014, 11:12:14 PM
Enda Stevens went so 3 guys who can play LB and no Tonev..does not look good to me for his prospects

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 20, 2014, 11:16:00 PM
Tonev seems to always get the 'young' tag, he's 24. I'm not saying he shouldn't be given time as its a new league, but he isn't young.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2014, 11:19:05 PM
I'm bound to ask what has so monumentally failed about the coaching if he is still not looking up and blazing the ball out of the ground at the start of his second season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2014, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?
His Youtube highlights video?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 20, 2014, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?
His Youtube highlights video?

Ha yeah. That'll be it. Or someone remembers seeing him as a youth on fifa a few years back, where they have no image just a silhouette. 'Hey lambo, i remember getting this lad on fifa a few seasons back, got him for just 3k a week and his shooting was 54, and he was only 17, his shooting stats must be like ... 74 by now.'
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 20, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?

It's a tough one to call, in the sense that we did see off competition from Werder Bremen to sign him. 

But a few of our lot who live out in Poland said he never particularly stood out in that league, and the Bulgarian lad who used to post here said he was inconsistent and prob not good enough for the Premier League.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 20, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?

It's a tough one to call, in the sense that we did see off competition from Werder Bremen to sign him. 

But a few of our lot who live out in Poland said he never particularly stood out in that league, and the Bulgarian lad who used to post here said he was inconsistent and prob not good enough for the Premier League.

To be fair, though, I also remember a Belgian poster on here telling us Benteke wasn't good enough for this league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 11:59:18 PM

To be fair, though, I also remember a Belgian poster on here telling us Benteke wasn't good enough for this league.

Worth a million at most iirc and that we had been mugged.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 21, 2014, 12:22:45 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 20, 2014, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?
His Youtube highlights video?

Ha yeah. That'll be it. Or someone remembers seeing him as a youth on fifa a few years back, where they have no image just a silhouette. 'Hey lambo, i remember getting this lad on fifa a few seasons back, got him for just 3k a week and his shooting was 54, and he was only 17, his shooting stats must be like ... 74 by now.'

Wasn't he recommended by Petrov
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2014, 12:55:45 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?

the same scouts that got us Benteke, Bacuna and Vlaar. Not every transfer is a hit and this one even came endorsed by Stan Petrov. I'm pretty sure he thought Tonev would have worked out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 02:02:19 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2014, 12:55:45 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?

the same scouts that got us Benteke, Bacuna and Vlaar. Not every transfer is a hit and this one even came endorsed by Stan Petrov. I'm pretty sure he thought Tonev would have worked out.

I firmly believe that a goal in his first game or 2 would have been a sliding doors moment for him. As things went we saw a guy who has ability (in my opinion) completely fail to adapt to the league, an early goal to get his head right and we'd be talking about what a bargain we'd picked up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: junxs on July 21, 2014, 06:52:33 AM
Doubt it, his game plan is shoot. If one had flown in, he wouldn't have suddenly developed Messi like skills - he'd still be shooting from all angles with team mates in better positions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: junxs on July 21, 2014, 06:52:33 AM
Doubt it, his game plan is shoot. If one had flown in, he wouldn't have suddenly developed Messi like skills - he'd still be shooting from all angles with team mates in better positions.

See I don't think he would, the biggest problem I've seen with him is that he's trying to do too much, that's a classic sign of someone who doesn't believe he's good enough for the league. He's trying to do everything and score a wonder goal every time he gets the ball.  An early goal to settle his nerves and have him believing he deserved to be here and didn't have to win every game on his own to be accepted was what he needed.  Unfortunately every time he got the ball with space to shoot he tried to hit it too hard and skied it.

I think there's a good player in there, he can shoot from distance, the videos before he signed prove it and the comments from the players from training back it up. He has pace, he can beat a man, he's played a few good passes, but against he's always trying to play a perfect pass instead of just playing his natural game.  I hope we don't sell him this summer, a loan out with a championship club (or similar) until Christmas and see if he can get himself a bit of confidence then see what happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 21, 2014, 09:32:51 AM
Quote
Tottenham will make a move for Southampton midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin, 24, once they have completed the signing of 21-year-old Swansea left-back Ben Davies. Daily Mirror

The arrival of Davies at White Hart Lane could pave the way for Spurs left-back Danny Rose, 24, to move to Hull for £6m. Sun

If Villa were to spend £6m on a player this summer, another left back for the growing collection would probably be the one  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2014, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 20, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?

It's a tough one to call, in the sense that we did see off competition from Werder Bremen to sign him. 

But a few of our lot who live out in Poland said he never particularly stood out in that league, and the Bulgarian lad who used to post here said he was inconsistent and prob not good enough for the Premier League.

Celtic were another one in for him and they've had a good recent record at signing cheaper players from weak leagues.

There is something there but I'm struggling to see it coming out in the prem, I watched him v Stoke and all he did was dribble the ball out of play 4-5 times. Wasn't much better in the other games he started.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
I think Robinson will go out on loan shortly. Makes sense with Bent back in the fold.

Clearly the left back situation is Richardson number 1 with Bennett back up and then either Clark or Baker to fill in if an injury crisis occurs. Luna to be loaned out most likely and Enda Stevens taking over the Bowery status of how the fcuk this guy earns a premier league wage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: FatSam on July 21, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2014, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 20, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
That is not just a question of 12 months with us though, that is a problem with the player.

Which leads to ... What the feck did our scouts see?

It's a tough one to call, in the sense that we did see off competition from Werder Bremen to sign him. 

But a few of our lot who live out in Poland said he never particularly stood out in that league, and the Bulgarian lad who used to post here said he was inconsistent and prob not good enough for the Premier League.

Celtic were another one in for him and they've had a good recent record at signing cheaper players from weak leagues.

There is something there but I'm struggling to see it coming out in the prem, I watched him v Stoke and all he did was dribble the ball out of play 4-5 times. Wasn't much better in the other games he started.

At the time he was signed, I thought he fitted our strategy very well i.e. 'Moneyball' type strategy of buying promising players from weaker leagues in their early twenties (rather than as teenagers when its more difficult to predict how good they will be, and prices are often higher). I don't know what he ultimately cost, and therefore what value we have got from the signing.

However, I do think that it was probably unrealistic to expect him just to hit the ground running. He is clearly still pretty raw, despite being 23 when we signed him, and having had a certain amount of promise from a young age. We would do well to learn from clubs who sign-up young players and manage their development through loans (including abroad) before including them in the first team squad. Although they do this on an industrial scale, I'm thinking of clubs like Udinese. The difficulty is that it seems pretty obvious with hindsight that we were signing him for the first team squad last season, and that's obviously a big risk given what he had done in his career up to that point.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 21, 2014, 01:02:06 PM
We can still follow the moneyball route, to an extent. 

Tottiingham's progress over the past 10 years has been founded on picking up bargains like Lennon, Dawson, Huddelstone, Walker et all from the lower leagues and marrying that with a few high profile signings.

We went from one extreme t'other: signing predominantly 28 year old+ players with little resale value under O'Neill to a team full of kids. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2014, 01:16:26 PM
Moneyball doesn't mean exclusively young players though and I am not sure you can directly translate such a statistical approach into football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
What moneyball needs is a stable environment to bring the players in to. If the senior players Lambert had when he came in were all professional and performing the kids that come in can be given the time and support to ease into the league, that we had to rely on the kids to save us has meant we haven't been able to give them a fair chance to build experience.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2014, 01:23:48 PM
Paul Walhurst at Blackburn seems to be more of a Moneyball signing; a forward to a defender.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 21, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
What moneyball needs is a stable environment to bring the players in to. If the senior players Lambert had when he came in were all professional and performing the kids that come in can be given the time and support to ease into the league, that we had to rely on the kids to save us has meant we haven't been able to give them a fair chance to build experience.

That type of system also needs a coaching staff who are able to get the best out of senior players and bring the young players along.  Our coaching staff have not been able to do that.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2014, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 21, 2014, 01:16:26 PM
Moneyball doesn't mean exclusively young players though and I am not sure you can directly translate such a statistical approach into football.
For all the mocking of it, when Liverpool were being stupid with their transfer fees that was the closest anybody got to implementing the idea of sabremetrics/Moneyball into football.

The logic wasn't completely idiotic either - buy the person who won the most headers (Carroll), the person with with the best percentages of finding a teammate from set-pieces (Adam) and the person with the highest number of successful crosses (Downing) and throw them all into a team together.

As you say though, the statistical analysis doesn't really translate to a sport where the team is more important than the individual.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
The team is more important than the individual in baseball moneyball. A superstar pitcher can only help a team once every 5 games, a superstar slugger only goes to the plate every 2 or 3 innings.
The reason it doesn't translate to football is there is no draft system (trading players for draft picks is a part of moneyball), batters are guaranteed 4-6 plate appearances every game where OBP (on base percentage) is what a moneyball team is built around. Billy Beane was also an expert at inflating a pitcher's value by racking up his saves and then trading him. You just can't do those things in football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 21, 2014, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.

Think you are forgetting about the hash reality of modern football, than the player has far more power than the club, and that money talks.  I am sure Southampton wanted to keep those players, but when a big club comes sniffing with a lot of money it can be hard to turn down.  Up to the point they have always been a selling club, but it is a system which has worked quite well for them.  Difference between us and them in recent years is that they have a structure in place deal with such loses, where as we just tend to sell players to trim the wage bill, or build up credit without any plan on how to replace said players, or balance our money.

In response to the question I would rather be in Southampton shoes right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2014, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 21, 2014, 01:02:06 PM
We can still follow the moneyball route, to an extent. 

Tottiingham's progress over the past 10 years has been founded on picking up bargains like Lennon, Dawson, Huddelstone, Walker et all from the lower leagues and marrying that with a few high profile signings.

We went from one extreme t'other: signing predominantly 28 year old+ players with little resale value under O'Neill to a team full of kids.


It depends how you define a bargain. Undoubtedly all of those Spurs players are now worth a lot more than they were bought for but they weren't bargain basement buys. They were all unproven at the top level and therefore a gamble but I'm pretty sure they all cost a couple of million so Spurs probably gambled about ten million or more on them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 21, 2014, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 21, 2014, 01:02:06 PM
We can still follow the moneyball route, to an extent. 

Tottiingham's progress over the past 10 years has been founded on picking up bargains like Lennon, Dawson, Huddelstone, Walker et all from the lower leagues and marrying that with a few high profile signings.

We went from one extreme t'other: signing predominantly 28 year old+ players with little resale value under O'Neill to a team full of kids.



It depends how you define a bargain. Undoubtedly all of those Spurs players are now worth a lot more than they were bought for but they weren't bargain basement buys. They were all unproven at the top level and therefore a gamble but I'm pretty sure they all cost a couple of million so Spurs probably gambled about ten million or more on them.

And despite all that, they still felt the need to spend all the money they got for Bale.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2014, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 21, 2014, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.

Think you are forgetting about the hash reality of modern football, than the player has far more power than the club, and that money talks.  I am sure Southampton wanted to keep those players, but when a big club comes sniffing with a lot of money it can be hard to turn down.  Up to the point they have always been a selling club, but it is a system which has worked quite well for them.  Difference between us and them in recent years is that they have a structure in place deal with such loses, where as we just tend to sell players to trim the wage bill, or build up credit without any plan on how to replace said players, or balance our money.

In response to the question I would rather be in Southampton shoes right now.

in reference to recent years, they were days from going out of business. We, despite all of our difficulties have never come close to that. As much as their academy has created a number of excellent players they have also been fortunate that the valuations tied to those players has been bordering mental. You wonder why English football is in the position it is when a generally unproven LB goes for close to 40m. They have never been in the situation they are in now; where they have lost their best players and manager at the same time, and the purging isn't yet over with Lovren about to go. My point regarding Vlaar is the same that why would he swap our situation for theirs that is likely to be every bit as volatile or uncertain?

Southampton are selling their players, not just because they wanted to based on the offer but because they also needed to. Compare to Arsenal, where it has also happened to the same extent in recent year. They are in the CL and can restock both at their academy level, but most importantly with top rated first team players.Teams like us or Southampton won't find it so easy to do, and it will be very interesting to see exactly how they fair this season with all of those losses coming at the same time.

On a wider point, maybe I stand alone on an island, but as fragile a situation that we are in I don't subscribe to the theory that one season automatically carries into the next. Maybe that is my optimism or naivety but just because we ended badly doesn't guarantee that it is how we'll start and continue in August. I don't think things are as bad as being made out with our squad as it is. Do we need improvement? Absolutely. We have some key needs, but that said we have some players at the club that are good and keep things together until we are purchased. Time will tell, but for me we are solid mid table as opposed to anything lower than that and especially given the players still will see return to action.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Our squad is nothing like good enough - it wasn't last year or the year before, either.

Injured players coming back is nice, yes, but that's still a dreadful line up of midfield options, for example.

At the end of last season, it looked pretty clear we needed significant strengthening, in several positions. I can't see the addition of Cole, Senderos and Richardson as being anything like enough, sadly, so I really hope we've got more business to do.

I also think it is very, very dangerous to fall back on the concept that we just need to keep our heads above water until someone buys us - when is that likely to happen? It might be tomorrow, but then again, it might not be for a season or more. That's very, very risky.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
I agree, I think we've got a mid-table squad, I thought the same last year but for a number of reasons we had a collapse at the end of the season that dragged us into the mix.  I'd still like a wide player and a defensive midfielder, and if we get those right I'd be looking at the top half but I really don't see us being right in the relegation fight, I understand that not many will share my view though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Our squad is nothing like good enough - it wasn't last year or the year before, either.

Injured players coming back is nice, yes, but that's still a dreadful line up of midfield options, for example.

At the end of last season, it looked pretty clear we needed significant strengthening, in several positions. I can't see the addition of Cole, Senderos and Richardson as being anything like enough, sadly, so I really hope we've got more business to do.

I also think it is very, very dangerous to fall back on the concept that we just need to keep our heads above water until someone buys us - when is that likely to happen? It might be tomorrow, but then again, it might not be for a season or more. That's very, very risky.

Our squad is considerably stronger than the end of last season, we've basically an entire new team available that for various reasons were not available at the end of last season.

Given
Hutton Okore Senderos Stevens
N'Zogbia Herd Gardner Richardson
Cole
Bent

Probably half of those at least improve the first 11 nevermind the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Our squad is nothing like good enough - it wasn't last year or the year before, either.

Injured players coming back is nice, yes, but that's still a dreadful line up of midfield options, for example.

At the end of last season, it looked pretty clear we needed significant strengthening, in several positions. I can't see the addition of Cole, Senderos and Richardson as being anything like enough, sadly, so I really hope we've got more business to do.

I also think it is very, very dangerous to fall back on the concept that we just need to keep our heads above water until someone buys us - when is that likely to happen? It might be tomorrow, but then again, it might not be for a season or more. That's very, very risky.

Our squad is considerably stronger than the end of last season, we've basically an entire new team available that for various reasons were not available at the end of last season.

Given
Hutton Okore Senderos Stevens
N'Zogbia Herd Gardner Richardson
Cole
Bent

Probably half of those at least improve the first 11 nevermind the squad.

Barring three of them, they were all here last season.

What's more, that midfield looks every bit as poor as the one we used most games last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2014, 04:13:28 PM
Clearly the one thing absolutely everybody agrees with is that the midfield 'needs some work'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 04:14:29 PM
I think Cole and Nzogbia are important because they actually give us some threat from midfield.  I'm not a big fan of nzog and Cole clearly isn't the player he was but both have that bit of guile that was missing last year, that will make a big difference for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2014, 04:18:34 PM
New players or not, the side need to keep the ball a hell of a lot better.

I don't want to see us trying to out Stoke Stoke again like we tried in December, when we kick it off again on the 16th August.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2014, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 21, 2014, 04:13:28 PM
Clearly the one thing absolutely everybody agrees with is that the midfield 'needs some work'.

100%. I would also argue nobody had as crippling an injury list to key players as we did. Couple that with the ludicrous bomb squad concept and that is a decent group of players coming back. Every club has ifs and buts, and we can have a healthier season plus those players like Bent willing to contribute then we are already better off. What is critical is that we do add quality to the midfield. Delph aside we have issues, and while KEA, Westwood, Cole etc are all capable of playing a blinder on any given day the consistency isn't there. We need two players to add to Delph to really give us some proper belief.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2014, 04:21:20 PM
Grant Holt's been left at home by Wigan. Poor lad, there's even talk of him interesting the pornmeisters. Big Sam v Big Grant, a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2014, 04:21:29 PM
Most of them may have been Villa players last season but between them they managed about 10 appearances. The squad still isn't strong enough, but it's better than it was last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Our squad is nothing like good enough - it wasn't last year or the year before, either.

Injured players coming back is nice, yes, but that's still a dreadful line up of midfield options, for example.

At the end of last season, it looked pretty clear we needed significant strengthening, in several positions. I can't see the addition of Cole, Senderos and Richardson as being anything like enough, sadly, so I really hope we've got more business to do.

I also think it is very, very dangerous to fall back on the concept that we just need to keep our heads above water until someone buys us - when is that likely to happen? It might be tomorrow, but then again, it might not be for a season or more. That's very, very risky.

Our squad is considerably stronger than the end of last season, we've basically an entire new team available that for various reasons were not available at the end of last season.

Given
Hutton Okore Senderos Stevens
N'Zogbia Herd Gardner Richardson
Cole
Bent

Probably half of those at least improve the first 11 nevermind the squad.

Barring three of them, they were all here last season.

What's more, that midfield looks every bit as poor as the one we used most games last season.

But they were not considered for selection so were not part of the squad, they are now.  The squad imo is definitely stronger and the team is too, but obviously not as much as it needs to be.  Okore and Senderos in the team over Clark and Baker improves us and Cole, N'Zogbia, Bent, Given and Hutton on the bench instead of Bowery, Robinson, Steer, Sylla and Tonev etc. also strengthens us.  Benteke and Kozak to return with say 2 new signings and we ought to be ok.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2014, 04:36:01 PM
As I said, add a defensive midfielder and a wide-forward who are both straight into the match day squad and we're in a much stronger place.

For example add Ki and Young (just using names mentioned fairly recently on this thread) and we look to have options everywhere.  Add to that a new willingness to hold on to the ball and we'll be a significantly better side than last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Tonev could also be a candidate to go on loan. 

We seem to expect young foreign players to come over, learn the language and fit in in less than a season.  Would we lose anything from Tonev, Sylla or Helnius joining championship clubs for the season?  I doubt it (their value is rock bottom anyway), but we could easily gain something.

Helenius has gone back to Denmark already, and Sylla has been packed off to Turkey.

(ignoring that this thread has moved on three pages)

I knew about Sylla, not Helenius, but understood it was on the cards.  Regardless, in both instances I feel they'd be better off staying in England at a clubs like MK Dons / Walsall / Forrest i.e. where the trajectory of their development may help Villa.  Sending them abroad just creates futher turmoil in their lives and cuts the ties with the club more than is necessary (imo).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
I'm sure Sylla would have loved it if Walsall had come in for him. Unfortunately by his own admission his form at the end of last season reduced him to taking the only offer on the table from some no name Turkish outfit. As for Helenius, the deal makes complete sense for him, going back home even if just to get his confidence back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2014, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Tonev could also be a candidate to go on loan. 

We seem to expect young foreign players to come over, learn the language and fit in in less than a season.  Would we lose anything from Tonev, Sylla or Helnius joining championship clubs for the season?  I doubt it (their value is rock bottom anyway), but we could easily gain something.

Helenius has gone back to Denmark already, and Sylla has been packed off to Turkey.

(ignoring that this thread has moved on three pages)

I knew about Sylla, not Helenius, but understood it was on the cards.  Regardless, in both instances I feel they'd be better off staying in England at a clubs like MK Dons / Walsall / Forrest i.e. where the trajectory of their development may help Villa.  Sending them abroad just creates futher turmoil in their lives and cuts the ties with the club more than is necessary (imo).


Helenius' agent was very vocal and specific that he wanted to return to his old club. Preferably permanently but they couldn't afford it. Judging by the club Sylla went to, it would suggest he wasn't inundated with offers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Our squad is nothing like good enough - it wasn't last year or the year before, either.

Injured players coming back is nice, yes, but that's still a dreadful line up of midfield options, for example.

At the end of last season, it looked pretty clear we needed significant strengthening, in several positions. I can't see the addition of Cole, Senderos and Richardson as being anything like enough, sadly, so I really hope we've got more business to do.

I also think it is very, very dangerous to fall back on the concept that we just need to keep our heads above water until someone buys us - when is that likely to happen? It might be tomorrow, but then again, it might not be for a season or more. That's very, very risky.

Our squad is considerably stronger than the end of last season, we've basically an entire new team available that for various reasons were not available at the end of last season.

Given
Hutton Okore Senderos Stevens
N'Zogbia Herd Gardner Richardson
Cole
Bent

Probably half of those at least improve the first 11 nevermind the squad.

Barring three of them, they were all here last season.

What's more, that midfield looks every bit as poor as the one we used most games last season.

But they were not considered for selection so were not part of the squad, they are now.  The squad imo is definitely stronger and the team is too, but obviously not as much as it needs to be.  Okore and Senderos in the team over Clark and Baker improves us and Cole, N'Zogbia, Bent, Given and Hutton on the bench instead of Bowery, Robinson, Steer, Sylla and Tonev etc. also strengthens us.  Benteke and Kozak to return with say 2 new signings and we ought to be ok.

I don't see how them not being considered for selection (which in any case only means three of them, Bent, Given, and Hutton) means they were part of the squad.

It is stronger, yes, because we have brought in three players, but we need to improve starting positions, not arses on benches alone, that isn't going to be enough.

if Richardson is here as a LB, then that's an improvement on that position starter, but what about elsewhere? We've not done anything like enough to improve the rest of the side yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 21, 2014, 06:36:41 PM
I'd say the squad now is stronger than last season definitely but it still has more than a whiff of bottom six about it.

Still, plenty of time left in this window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Mbia linked now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
That would be a very decent signing, but I can't see why he would bother leaving QPR now that they have been promoted, or if he did why he wouldn't go back to Spain.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
That would be a very decent signing, but I can't see why he would bother leaving QPR now that they have been promoted, or if he did why he wouldn't go back to Spain.
He's without a club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on July 21, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
The midfield needs improvement, we don't offer any real, defensive or creative support from those currently there. I can seriously see us & a lot of other teams playing with 3 at the back.

Up front, we may have Benteke / Kozak but both are coming back from serious injuries & who knows how long they will take to get up to the level required. Without Benteke I can't see who is going to score the goals we need, it certainly won't be be Gabby or Weimann & Bent didn't seem to do it at Fulham.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
That would be a very decent signing, but I can't see why he would bother leaving QPR now that they have been promoted, or if he did why he wouldn't go back to Spain.
He's without a club.
In which case I'd be very happy with him. Would certainly be an upgrade on Sylla and El Ahmadi.

Although I still don't see why Sevilla wouldn't want him to sign with them permanently and why he then wouldn't want to.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2014, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
That would be a very decent signing, but I can't see why he would bother leaving QPR now that they have been promoted, or if he did why he wouldn't go back to Spain.
He's without a club.

Potentially a great signing.  I have concerns that he's a bit of a mercenary (mainly because he was bombed out of QPR) but from what I read before the world cup he'd had a good season on loan at Seville.  Worth the risk if he'd come as he's - on paper - exactly the sort of player we need.  Some how we just have to make sure he's properly motivated.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 21, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Mbia linked now.

Can't find anything about this online.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 21, 2014, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
That would be a very decent signing, but I can't see why he would bother leaving QPR now that they have been promoted, or if he did why he wouldn't go back to Spain.
He's without a club.
In which case I'd be very happy with him. Would certainly be an upgrade on Sylla and El Ahmadi.

Although I still don't see why Sevilla wouldn't want him to sign with them permanently and why he then wouldn't want to.

Maybe money. Even a budget cutting bottom half premier league club is able to spend much more on wages than most La Liga clubs because of the way Barca/Real have rigged the TV money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2014, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 21, 2014, 04:13:28 PM
Clearly the one thing absolutely everybody agrees with is that the midfield 'needs some work'.

I think the one consistent throughout my 30 years following this club is that the midfield 'needs some work'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2014, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2014, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
That would be a very decent signing, but I can't see why he would bother leaving QPR now that they have been promoted, or if he did why he wouldn't go back to Spain.
He's without a club.

Potentially a great signing.  I have concerns that he's a bit of a mercenary (mainly because he was bombed out of QPR) but from what I read before the world cup he'd had a good season on loan at Seville.  Worth the risk if he'd come as he's - on paper - exactly the sort of player we need.  Some how we just have to make sure he's properly motivated.

He would be exactly the type of midfielder we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 21, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 21, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Mbia linked now.

Can't find anything about this online.

The only links are well past their sell-by date , although he has been released by QPR and is available , presumably on a free which would be a good deal considering they paid 8 mil for him .
Powerful  mid-fielder not rated for his passing ability . May be worth a punt but you,d have to ask why Seville,  who had him on loan last Season , are not in for him , apparently ............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on July 21, 2014, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 21, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 21, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Mbia linked now.

Can't find anything about this online.

The only links are well past their sell-by date , although he has been released by QPR and is available , presumably on a free which would be a good deal considering they paid 8 mil for him .
Powerful  mid-fielder not rated for his passing ability . May be worth a punt but you,d have to ask why Seville,  who had him on loan last Season , are not in for him , apparently ............Godzvilla!
Maybe it's the player asking his agent to get him back to the Premier League.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2014, 08:46:34 PM
Even in these time of austerity I think we can afford to pay more wages than Seville.  It wouldn't surprise me if 40k/week allocated for the right CM, especially if on a free.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
I like my clubs considerate  and generous approach in giving shelters to clubless players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 21, 2014, 08:53:57 PM
He'd be too similar to Delph in the guise of collecting yellow cards!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 21, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
Twitter nonsense, apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2014, 09:52:13 PM
A month ago he was a 'target' for Liverpool and Everton and wanted to play for The Whinging One. 

Quote
"My dream is to be coached by Mourinho and I hope will become a reality in the future," he told Sky Sports Italia.

"I want to play in the Champions League in the future even though I'd stick to Sevilla because they have done a lot for me.

"Next year I want to try to win something, maybe the Champions League, but I do not know where."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
Villa's midfield goes missing. Even Delph. We are desperate for a physical presence in there to hold things together. I also don't see Joe Cole or Charlie rolling their socks up for a scrap and a battle if we struggle again. Surely Roy Keane can see it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2014, 10:26:12 PM
I would like Mbia. Think he is exactly the type we need. Him, Ki and Delph would make an excellent balance in the middle. But will not happen as he is a good player. Same goes for Ki.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 21, 2014, 10:38:40 PM
The Ki gossip seems to have stalled...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 10:40:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 21, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Our squad is nothing like good enough - it wasn't last year or the year before, either.

Injured players coming back is nice, yes, but that's still a dreadful line up of midfield options, for example.

At the end of last season, it looked pretty clear we needed significant strengthening, in several positions. I can't see the addition of Cole, Senderos and Richardson as being anything like enough, sadly, so I really hope we've got more business to do.

I also think it is very, very dangerous to fall back on the concept that we just need to keep our heads above water until someone buys us - when is that likely to happen? It might be tomorrow, but then again, it might not be for a season or more. That's very, very risky.

Our squad is considerably stronger than the end of last season, we've basically an entire new team available that for various reasons were not available at the end of last season.

Given
Hutton Okore Senderos Stevens
N'Zogbia Herd Gardner Richardson
Cole
Bent

Probably half of those at least improve the first 11 nevermind the squad.

Barring three of them, they were all here last season.

What's more, that midfield looks every bit as poor as the one we used most games last season.

But they were not considered for selection so were not part of the squad, they are now.  The squad imo is definitely stronger and the team is too, but obviously not as much as it needs to be.  Okore and Senderos in the team over Clark and Baker improves us and Cole, N'Zogbia, Bent, Given and Hutton on the bench instead of Bowery, Robinson, Steer, Sylla and Tonev etc. also strengthens us.  Benteke and Kozak to return with say 2 new signings and we ought to be ok.

I don't see how them not being considered for selection (which in any case only means three of them, Bent, Given, and Hutton) means they were part of the squad.

It is stronger, yes, because we have brought in three players, but we need to improve starting positions, not arses on benches alone, that isn't going to be enough.

if Richardson is here as a LB, then that's an improvement on that position starter, but what about elsewhere? We've not done anything like enough to improve the rest of the side yet.

They were all out on loan, Bent at Fulham, Hutton at Bolton and Given at Middlesbrough.  As well as Richardson I'd say Senderos is an improvement on Baker and Cole on KEA.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
Our squad is complete and utter gash. Think some posters here are starting to exhibit symptoms of Stockholm syndrome if they believe anything else. Cole, Richardson and Senderos would honestly struggle in the championship.

We have a good keeper. I'm really looking forward to seeing Okore. I've never been a fan of Vlaar but he can't be any worse with Okore next to him. Delph is a good midfielder but not good enough to be a one man midfield. This time last year, we were praising Gabby and Weimann to the heavens. But an injury prone Gabby losing his pace is not going to get goals, Weimann at his best is a second striker, at his worst he should be nowhere near the division. Nzogbia to get back the form pre Villa....clutching at straws aren't we. No goals, woeful midfield, perennial problems at full back

Aside from the new signings - Stevens, Hutton, Baker, Kea, Gardner, Herd for starters would all struggle to get moves to a decent championship sides. Can't see anything but relegation for us this term and honestly we could well be bottom at Xmas
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
I am not enamoured by what's happening at VP but I will take a bet with you that we will not be  bottom by Xmas?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 22, 2014, 05:26:00 AM
I agree that we will not be bottom at Christmas but only because October will see the departure of Lambert and better performances and easier fixtures will see us scrambling some points. I wish I could be more optimistic but like many I sense a lack of will at the club. Until the ownership hiatus is resolved we will at worst drift downwards, at best bounce along the bottom.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2014, 07:12:27 AM
Quote from: olaftab on July 22, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
I am not enamoured by what's happening at VP but I will take a bet with you that we will not be  bottom by Xmas?

He is lightening up. It was relegated by Christmas last week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2014, 08:44:06 AM
Quote from: olaftab on July 22, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
I am not enamoured by what's happening at VP but I will take a bet with you that we will not be  bottom by Xmas?

Looking at our fixture list I would not be surprised if we are.  However as long as the squad stay upbeat and maintain some confidence we must have an easier run at some point to pick up some back-to-back wins.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 22, 2014, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: olaftab on July 21, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
I like my clubs considerate  and generous approach in giving shelters to clubless players.

Nigel Farage must hate the Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
Our squad is complete and utter gash. Think some posters here are starting to exhibit symptoms of Stockholm syndrome if they believe anything else. Cole, Richardson and Senderos would honestly struggle in the championship.

We have a good keeper. I'm really looking forward to seeing Okore. I've never been a fan of Vlaar but he can't be any worse with Okore next to him. Delph is a good midfielder but not good enough to be a one man midfield. This time last year, we were praising Gabby and Weimann to the heavens. But an injury prone Gabby losing his pace is not going to get goals, Weimann at his best is a second striker, at his worst he should be nowhere near the division. Nzogbia to get back the form pre Villa....clutching at straws aren't we. No goals, woeful midfield, perennial problems at full back

Aside from the new signings - Stevens, Hutton, Baker, Kea, Gardner, Herd for starters would all struggle to get moves to a decent championship sides. Can't see anything but relegation for us this term and honestly we could well be bottom at Xmas
I agree with most of this. Yes we have more players at our disposal this year but I can only see two of those players improving us. Okore would be one and perhaps Richardson too. Hutton and Bent? They were poor for us two years ago so how will it be different this time around. I know there is a view that Bent just needs better service but I think the three Fulham managers who didn't rate him last season were right. Senderos is the sort of slow centre back you hope lines up for the opposition. Cole? Would love to be proved wrong but it's 3 years too late.
Not sure about 'bottom by Xmas', I have still hanging on to the faint hope that we will bring in a couple of players that would genuinely improve us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 09:52:10 AM
It is a bit unusual that Tonev featured at Mansfield last week and then a few days later is left behind from the US tour.

I wonder if someone has made an offer for him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheadlevilla on July 22, 2014, 09:56:57 AM
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It is a bit unusual that Tonev featured at Mansfield last week and then a few days later is left behind from the US tour.

I wonder if someone has made an offer for him?
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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 10:03:41 AM
We won't be bottom by Xmas. We are marginally improved. We were reasonably solid and safe for the majority of last season, only really slipping away at the end when we were without Benteke and Kozak and couldn't score in an Amsterdam brothel with a sack full of cash.

It's not going to be pretty. We're going to be looking our over shoulders, but there will be 3-4 sides significantly worse than us and another grouping of 3-4, no better than us who we'll be slogging it out with. Benteke's returns, not too far off, also gives us a distinct advantage.

Say what you will about the state of our squad. It is shit. But in this mass group below the top 7 sides, it's all going to be a scrap for every one of them to be honest. Southampton are getting picked apart. Newcastle has quality but unstable management from top to bottom, and regularly have the propensity to either go on a great run or a horrific run. Palace won't match the form they showed under Pulis last year. Hull will struggle. Stoke are getting on a bit and Hughes's impact may have worn off. The promoted clubs are weak. QPR, are QPR. Swansea are getting cherry picked and Monk will struggle. West Ham will struggle playing such outdated football and Carroll doesn't play or score enough. West Brom will finish below us. Sunderland are going to be battling again.

There aren't many better spines below the top 7 than Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke. Barring horrific luck with injuries, I think that's good enough to see us finish fairly comfortably in comparison to last season. 

It's bad but it aint that bad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 22, 2014, 10:08:39 AM
Respectfully, too many assumptions for comfort there Tom.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 22, 2014, 10:08:39 AM
Respectfully, too many assumptions for comfort there Tom.
That's all we can really do at this point.
I still maintain that slight advantage in quality through the spine should see us finish over 40 points.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2014, 10:13:04 AM
Its all an assumption, whether you think we will be fine or whether you think we will struggle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
Our squad is complete and utter gash. Think some posters here are starting to exhibit symptoms of Stockholm syndrome if they believe anything else. Cole, Richardson and Senderos would honestly struggle in the championship.

We have a good keeper. I'm really looking forward to seeing Okore. I've never been a fan of Vlaar but he can't be any worse with Okore next to him. Delph is a good midfielder but not good enough to be a one man midfield. This time last year, we were praising Gabby and Weimann to the heavens. But an injury prone Gabby losing his pace is not going to get goals, Weimann at his best is a second striker, at his worst he should be nowhere near the division. Nzogbia to get back the form pre Villa....clutching at straws aren't we. No goals, woeful midfield, perennial problems at full back

Aside from the new signings - Stevens, Hutton, Baker, Kea, Gardner, Herd for starters would all struggle to get moves to a decent championship sides. Can't see anything but relegation for us this term and honestly we could well be bottom at Xmas
I agree with most of this. Yes we have more players at our disposal this year but I can only see two of those players improving us. Okore would be one and perhaps Richardson too. Hutton and Bent? They were poor for us two years ago so how will it be different this time around. I know there is a view that Bent just needs better service but I think the three Fulham managers who didn't rate him last season were right. Senderos is the sort of slow centre back you hope lines up for the opposition. Cole? Would love to be proved wrong but it's 3 years too late.
Not sure about 'bottom by Xmas', I have still hanging on to the faint hope that we will bring in a couple of players that would genuinely improve us.

 N'Zogbia improves us for me as well, a much better option than Tonev or Bowery even if just from the bench and whilst Senderos doesn't excite me he's definitely better than Baker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 22, 2014, 10:48:29 AM
That everything is an assumption is true but I would feel a lot happier facing the start of the season with a greater sense of security. I can live with a poor manager, I can live with the club being on sale, I can live with bargain basement signings. It is the uncertainty I find hardest to endure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
Our squad is complete and utter gash. Think some posters here are starting to exhibit symptoms of Stockholm syndrome if they believe anything else. Cole, Richardson and Senderos would honestly struggle in the championship.

We have a good keeper. I'm really looking forward to seeing Okore. I've never been a fan of Vlaar but he can't be any worse with Okore next to him. Delph is a good midfielder but not good enough to be a one man midfield. This time last year, we were praising Gabby and Weimann to the heavens. But an injury prone Gabby losing his pace is not going to get goals, Weimann at his best is a second striker, at his worst he should be nowhere near the division. Nzogbia to get back the form pre Villa....clutching at straws aren't we. No goals, woeful midfield, perennial problems at full back

Aside from the new signings - Stevens, Hutton, Baker, Kea, Gardner, Herd for starters would all struggle to get moves to a decent championship sides. Can't see anything but relegation for us this term and honestly we could well be bottom at Xmas
I agree with most of this. Yes we have more players at our disposal this year but I can only see two of those players improving us. Okore would be one and perhaps Richardson too. Hutton and Bent? They were poor for us two years ago so how will it be different this time around. I know there is a view that Bent just needs better service but I think the three Fulham managers who didn't rate him last season were right. Senderos is the sort of slow centre back you hope lines up for the opposition. Cole? Would love to be proved wrong but it's 3 years too late.
Not sure about 'bottom by Xmas', I have still hanging on to the faint hope that we will bring in a couple of players that would genuinely improve us.

 N'Zogbia improves us for me as well, a much better option than Tonev or Bowery even if just from the bench and whilst Senderos doesn't excite me he's definitely better than Baker.
N'Zogbia on his day is an improvement yes but I can't see him starting each week and playing consistently well, would be a real boost if he could but he only seems to show glimpses of talent. Senderos v Baker?  For me neither should be starting week after week at premiership level. If we get injuries it could be Senderos AND Baker, that would petrify me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/9390421/Transfer-news-Javier-Saviola-eyes-Premier-League-move

another player we have been continually linked with in the past
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
Our squad is complete and utter gash. Think some posters here are starting to exhibit symptoms of Stockholm syndrome if they believe anything else. Cole, Richardson and Senderos would honestly struggle in the championship.

We have a good keeper. I'm really looking forward to seeing Okore. I've never been a fan of Vlaar but he can't be any worse with Okore next to him. Delph is a good midfielder but not good enough to be a one man midfield. This time last year, we were praising Gabby and Weimann to the heavens. But an injury prone Gabby losing his pace is not going to get goals, Weimann at his best is a second striker, at his worst he should be nowhere near the division. Nzogbia to get back the form pre Villa....clutching at straws aren't we. No goals, woeful midfield, perennial problems at full back

Aside from the new signings - Stevens, Hutton, Baker, Kea, Gardner, Herd for starters would all struggle to get moves to a decent championship sides. Can't see anything but relegation for us this term and honestly we could well be bottom at Xmas
I agree with most of this. Yes we have more players at our disposal this year but I can only see two of those players improving us. Okore would be one and perhaps Richardson too. Hutton and Bent? They were poor for us two years ago so how will it be different this time around. I know there is a view that Bent just needs better service but I think the three Fulham managers who didn't rate him last season were right. Senderos is the sort of slow centre back you hope lines up for the opposition. Cole? Would love to be proved wrong but it's 3 years too late.
Not sure about 'bottom by Xmas', I have still hanging on to the faint hope that we will bring in a couple of players that would genuinely improve us.

 N'Zogbia improves us for me as well, a much better option than Tonev or Bowery even if just from the bench and whilst Senderos doesn't excite me he's definitely better than Baker.
N'Zogbia on his day is an improvement yes but I can't see him starting each week and playing consistently well, would be a real boost if he could but he only seems to show glimpses of talent. Senderos v Baker?  For me neither should be starting week after week at premiership level. If we get injuries it could be Senderos AND Baker, that would petrify me.

True, but 2 years ago we had Herd, Baker and Clark at the back (with Vlaar injured), last year we had Baker, Clark Vlaar (with Okore injured) and now we have Okore Vlaar and Senderos (with Clark and Baker as back up) so we're certainly strengthening in that department imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2014, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
Our squad is complete and utter gash. Think some posters here are starting to exhibit symptoms of Stockholm syndrome if they believe anything else. Cole, Richardson and Senderos would honestly struggle in the championship.

We have a good keeper. I'm really looking forward to seeing Okore. I've never been a fan of Vlaar but he can't be any worse with Okore next to him. Delph is a good midfielder but not good enough to be a one man midfield. This time last year, we were praising Gabby and Weimann to the heavens. But an injury prone Gabby losing his pace is not going to get goals, Weimann at his best is a second striker, at his worst he should be nowhere near the division. Nzogbia to get back the form pre Villa....clutching at straws aren't we. No goals, woeful midfield, perennial problems at full back

Aside from the new signings - Stevens, Hutton, Baker, Kea, Gardner, Herd for starters would all struggle to get moves to a decent championship sides. Can't see anything but relegation for us this term and honestly we could well be bottom at Xmas
I agree with most of this. Yes we have more players at our disposal this year but I can only see two of those players improving us. Okore would be one and perhaps Richardson too. Hutton and Bent? They were poor for us two years ago so how will it be different this time around. I know there is a view that Bent just needs better service but I think the three Fulham managers who didn't rate him last season were right. Senderos is the sort of slow centre back you hope lines up for the opposition. Cole? Would love to be proved wrong but it's 3 years too late.
Not sure about 'bottom by Xmas', I have still hanging on to the faint hope that we will bring in a couple of players that would genuinely improve us.

 N'Zogbia improves us for me as well, a much better option than Tonev or Bowery even if just from the bench and whilst Senderos doesn't excite me he's definitely better than Baker.
N'Zogbia on his day is an improvement yes but I can't see him starting each week and playing consistently well, would be a real boost if he could but he only seems to show glimpses of talent. Senderos v Baker?  For me neither should be starting week after week at premiership level. If we get injuries it could be Senderos AND Baker, that would petrify me.

True, but 2 years ago we had Herd, Baker and Clark at the back (with Vlaar injured), last year we had Baker, Clark Vlaar (with Okore injured) and now we have Okore Vlaar and Senderos (with Clark and Baker as back up) so we're certainly strengthening in that department imo.

I just hope that Senderos wasn't bought as a Vlaar replacement
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/9390421/Transfer-news-Javier-Saviola-eyes-Premier-League-move

another player we have been continually linked with in the past
Jesus, he must be 50 by now and using a zimmer frame.
Which of course means he'll probably be our next signing. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2014, 12:49:56 PM
I think if Vlaar stays we'll be alright and agree with Tom there are so many shit teams it's by no means certain we'll be 'bottom by xmas' even if i understand his pessimism.

I know vlaar isn't the best CB in the world, and getting something like £10m in his final year would be good business but we would have to buy someone to replace him who has prem experience, we don't have time for adjustment. And as we all know home club prices are batshit. All this though there is zero evidence he wants to leave even if it seems probable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 22, 2014, 12:54:55 PM
I'd somehow missed the fact that we'd nabbed two youngsters from Southampton's academy:

http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2014/5/18/5728590/aston-villa-southampton-academy-tom-leggett-isaac-nehemie
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 22, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 21, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
I like my clubs considerate  and generous approach in giving shelters to clubless players.

Aftab, you  mean something like this?

Give me your tired, your poor,
 Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
 The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
 Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
 I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: martin@ardenley on July 22, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 22, 2014, 12:54:55 PM
I'd somehow missed the fact that we'd nabbed two youngsters from Southampton's academy:

hxxp://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2014/5/18/5728590/aston-villa-southampton-academy-tom-leggett-isaac-nehemie

 Keep up  (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=50341.msg2565704#msg2565704)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Saviola is exactly the type of signing you would expect QPR to make.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 22, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Saviola is exactly the type of signing you would expect QPR to make.
I clicked on that link wholly expecting their name to be down there. It's also exactly the sort of signing that Redknapp complained about when he took over the club, and then proceeded to continue signing in the vast majority of his purchases.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2014, 03:25:52 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 22, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 22, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Saviola is exactly the type of signing you would expect QPR to make.
I clicked on that link wholly expecting their name to be down there. It's also exactly the sort of signing that Redknapp complained about when he took over the club, and then proceeded to continue signing in the vast majority of his purchases.

Just reading his name makes me think of a scrotum. A dodgy scrotum.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brian Taylor on July 22, 2014, 03:49:05 PM
Considering what the 'upper' opposition are doing we will be lucky to be mid-table next season. Happy to be mid-table, I imagine. Another doldrum season. Sell, Randy. and let them bring in some proper dosh before it is too late!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 22, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Saviola is exactly the type of signing you would expect QPR to make.

On 120k a week, 6 year contract.

I hate QPR, terribly run, I hope they go straight back down again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2014, 04:09:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 22, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Saviola is exactly the type of signing you would expect QPR to make.

On 120k a week, 6 year contract.

I hate QPR, terribly run, I hope they go straight back down again.

So do I. They're cheating the system more than most. That's not to say that Mickey Mouse clubs like them shouldn't have the chance to better themselves, but I don't think it's fair that other clubs in the Championship run themselves in a sensible way and within their means, while an absolute basket case like QPR with a bigger wage bill than the Champions of Spain, do not. Yet they're rewarded for such conduct. The system is FUBAR. People blame Sky, its not Sky's fault that the game has changed, its all our fault. We sold it to them and clubs like QPR epitomise it in its entirety; all that money spunked post 1992 on utter garbage players. That's why QPR fans are paying £902.00 for a season ticket to watch the 7th biggest club in London, in a shed of a ground. Utter toss.

Shit ground, shit club, fuck off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 22, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Saviola is exactly the type of signing you would expect QPR to make.

On 120k a week, 6 year contract.

I hate QPR, terribly run, I hope they go straight back down again.
Droopy first for the boot is probably a very good bet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2014, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 22, 2014, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/9390421/Transfer-news-Javier-Saviola-eyes-Premier-League-move

another player we have been continually linked with in the past
Jesus, he must be 50 by now and using a zimmer frame.
Which of course means he'll probably be our next signing. ;)

Having looked it up, I was surprised to learn that Saviola  is the same age as Joe Cole. Of course,  he has has been involved in the CL for the last 2 seasons with Malaga and Olympiakos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 06:33:13 PM
South American Michael Owen.

Looked amazing as a teenager but injuries and temptation to just sit on his backside earning money at several big clubs have meant he never really fulfilled his potential.

Also provided me with a very funny football memory. Went to watch Real Madrid play a CL game at the Bernabeau a few years back, they'd used up all their subs but Saviola didn't realise and was stretching on the touchline for a good 5 minutes. Eventually someone from the Madrid bench realised and called him back and he ran back to the bench pretty sheepisly!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2014, 11:55:57 PM
How have qpr avoided any FFP restrictions? They are surely spending greater than their means. Or are they not? I haven't a clue. What i do know is i really really hate their shit ground.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2014, 12:05:16 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.

It is very frustrating. With a bit of investment this summer (say 35 million which is not unreasonable for a new owner plus TV deal) I reckon we could have built a really decent side this summer that would have been top 8 come May. Having a striker like Benteke in place is half the battle in some ways.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2014, 01:56:55 AM
Quote from: supertom on July 22, 2014, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 22, 2014, 10:08:39 AM
Respectfully, too many assumptions for comfort there Tom.
That's all we can really do at this point.
I still maintain that slight advantage in quality through the spine should see us finish over 40 points.

We also have to remember that we've had some pretty horrendous luck with injuries over the past few seasons and that  has contributed to our struggles.  We obviously need to add a few more quality players, but if the likes of Okore, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke (when he returns) remain fit through season then we should be OK.  Also, a bit of form from the likes of Gabby, Weimann, Cole and N'Zogbia could be a major help. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2014, 03:42:22 AM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on July 22, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 21, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
I like my clubs considerate  and generous approach in giving shelters to clubless players.

Aftab, you  mean something like this?

Give me your tired, your poor,
 Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
 The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
 Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
 I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Yes indeed Paul. I think we should have this engraved on a bronze plaque bolted to side of the McGregor statue and we do have the Ellis Stand for welcoming the hordes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 23, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
Bojan's another player we should have signed.  If Stoke can affford him, surely we can.  He'd have been ideal in the number 10 role, he would have finally given us a signing to be excited about.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2014, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.

Although if I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy about losing Vorm and replacing him with Fabianski.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2014, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 23, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
Bojan's another player we should have signed.  If Stoke can affford him, surely we can.  He'd have been ideal in the number 10 role, he would have finally given us a signing to be excited about.

Maybe when he first hit the scene all those years ago, but not now. Check out his record at his last 4 clubs, it's Heskey-esque. IIRC he only got 5 goals in 32 for Ajax last term, my nan would get that in the dutch league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2014, 09:01:03 AM
Even though we're up for sale the apparent lack of spending at the moment is absolutely ridiculous, especially in the context of the league we're in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 23, 2014, 09:12:06 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2014, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 23, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
Bojan's another player we should have signed.  If Stoke can affford him, surely we can.  He'd have been ideal in the number 10 role, he would have finally given us a signing to be excited about.

Maybe when he first hit the scene all those years ago, but not now. Check out his record at his last 4 clubs, it's Heskey-esque. IIRC he only got 5 goals in 32 for Ajax last term, my nan would get that in the dutch league.
Never quite seen the fuss about Bojan, though at his best he would improve our side, and you'd fancy him to stay fitter than Cole. But he's a player who has drifted and that he's ended up at Stoke says a lot.
If it works out for them, they'll have a hell of a player. However I think he'll get bullied in this league and struggle to have much impact.

I do agree though, our next couple of signings, particularly in midfield, need to show a bit of ambition.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on July 23, 2014, 09:27:49 AM
I think some people on here need to get real. Randy Lerner is trying to sell the club therefore he will not give Lambert any substantial funds to buy quality . We need to improve the midfield to have any chance of reaching halfway.

I think it will reach a stage where Lerner will sell cheap. Then we could be in serious trouble depending who we get.

Lets just hope for the best and hope Roy Keane can make something out of what he is given.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2014, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.

Although if I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy about losing Vorm and replacing him with Fabianski.

Swansea's midfield of De Guzman, Sigurdsson and Shelvey look a really good one to me. Very balanced and a fair few goals in there. If they keep hold of Bony this summer I think they'll be comfortably top half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2014, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.

Although if I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy about losing Vorm and replacing him with Fabianski.

Swansea's midfield of De Guzman, Sigurdsson and Shelvey look a really good one to me. Very balanced and a fair few goals in there. If they keep hold of Bony this summer I think they'll be comfortably top half.
They don't have de Guzman at the moment do they?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2014, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.

Although if I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy about losing Vorm and replacing him with Fabianski.

Swansea's midfield of De Guzman, Sigurdsson and Shelvey look a really good one to me. Very balanced and a fair few goals in there. If they keep hold of Bony this summer I think they'll be comfortably top half.
They don't have de Guzman at the moment do they?

Nor Sigurdsson, but both are rumoured to be joining.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 23, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.


well if all those are true, then that would be great news
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 23, 2014, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 23, 2014, 09:27:49 AM
I think some people on here need to get real. Randy Lerner is trying to sell the club therefore he will not give Lambert any substantial funds to buy quality . We need to improve the midfield to have any chance of reaching halfway.

Erm, pretty much everyone knows this already?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2014, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
When I see Sigurdsson going back to Swansea for 8m I really wish we could just get taken over sometime soon as these are the sorts of realistic signings that would quickly get us moving back up the league and into the top half.

Although if I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy about losing Vorm and replacing him with Fabianski.

Swansea's midfield of De Guzman, Sigurdsson and Shelvey look a really good one to me. Very balanced and a fair few goals in there. If they keep hold of Bony this summer I think they'll be comfortably top half.
They don't have de Guzman at the moment do they?

Nor Sigurdsson, but both are rumoured to be joining.
I suspect signing both will be offset by sales too. Davies looks like he'll be off. If Bony's still there on Sept 1st, I'll be very surprised. They've already lost Michu and Hernandez.

I also think Monk may just be in over his head too. Unless they start well, he could well see himself getting turfed out before the years out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2014, 10:50:25 AM
along with several others I'd wager - and much as I'm not a fan, I'm not including Lambert in that at risk band
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2014, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: john e on July 23, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.


well if all those are true, then that would be great news
Yes it is however no doubt someone will come on here and say why didn't he say Vlaar wants to extend his stay here. There is always a negative angle that people can find in any statement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2014, 11:01:09 AM
He did say he thinks Vlaar wants to stay
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2014, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.

Where is this good news you speak of documented?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 23, 2014, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.

Where is this good news you speak of documented?

Seconded. This would cheer me up immensely if there are any links about.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
Scrap that, just seen the ron thread
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2014, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 23, 2014, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.

Where is this good news you speak of documented?

It's from Lambert himself. He just Vlaar has never indicated he wants to leave and is happy at the club. There is no way that we would sell him. Off course that changes if the player makes the first move, but nothing suggests he will. Delph told fans at the tour he wants to stay and both Benteke and Kozak did light training in Dallas. Kendrick also confirmed Randy will be at the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 04:23:38 PM
Hello all this is my first ever post on here. In the past i have been silent and just viewed others comments, but i feel that i should share in the debates now. Its certainly a hard time at the moment being a Villa fan and hopefully it won't last that much longer. What i would say is that i feel that a team/squad is no worse than last year, but it does have the chance to be better with the inclusion of the freebies and the 'bomb squad'. I believe that Richardson will give us good consistent performance, Cole will want to prove a point in a role that he craved for, for such a long time, and Senderos will give us depth without breaking the bank. These are sensible transfers in this climate of uncertainty. The bomb squad are on our books and we pay them so lets make them work for it!!!

I like others wish for the arrivals, especially in the midfield, of both a strong defensive playmaker and creative flair type person. just someone to get excited about and he doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg. I would even be inclined to take advantage of the Loan Market like Everton did last year, imagine what three good players in the correct positions could do to that squad?Hopefully this is Lamberts plans if he has no money. The question is who and what positions need to be filled after his assessment/pre season?
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 23, 2014, 04:39:49 PM
Hi Lyewho??? and welcome.  I agree with you about the loan-market, it would make a lot of sense in our current position. the other thing with this is that a lot of the better players available for loans will only be so towards the end of the season, as their parent clubs will want them to have pre-season with them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: berneboy on July 23, 2014, 04:42:58 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 04:23:38 PM
Hello all this is my first ever post on here. In the past i have been silent and just viewed others comments, but i feel that i should share in the debates now. Its certainly a hard time at the moment being a Villa fan and hopefully it won't last that much longer. What i would say is that i feel that a team/squad is no worse than last year, but it does have the chance to be better with the inclusion of the freebies and the 'bomb squad'. I believe that Richardson will give us good consistent performance, Cole will want to prove a point in a role that he craved for, for such a long time, and Senderos will give us depth without breaking the bank. These are sensible transfers in this climate of uncertainty. The bomb squad are on our books and we pay them so lets make them work for it!!!

I like others wish for the arrivals, especially in the midfield, of both a strong defensive playmaker and creative flair type person. just someone to get excited about and he doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg. I would even be inclined to take advantage of the Loan Market like Everton did last year, imagine what three good players in the correct positions could do to that squad?Hopefully this is Lamberts plans if he has no money. The question is who and what positions need to be filled after his assessment/pre season?
 

Welcome, Lyewho???

Sensible, reasoned and balanced comment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VillaAlways on July 23, 2014, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 23, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Read this morning a few things that have improved my optimism level......
Lambert has told press that Vlaar is happy and no way is he going.
Kozak is doing light training.
Delph wants to extend his stay at Villa.
Oh, and Lerner will attend this match tonight.
Nick Mashiter also reporting Benteke in light training also.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Anyone know who this is?

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-sunderland-and-aston-villa-go-head-head-over-evian-midfielder-140723103401
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2014, 06:54:39 PM
Hopefully not another Sylla!! The guy might be a genius but I would rather we spend what money we have on tried and trusted. Particularly for midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 23, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 23, 2014, 06:54:39 PM
Hopefully not another Sylla!! The guy might be a genius but I would rather we spend what money we have on tried and trusted. Particularly for midfielder.
Given his track record I would hope he's more the Okore, Vlaar, Kozak level of signing.
That said, I would prefer a safer bet.
Perhaps this fella, and then a more established signing on loan would complete our midfield. It certainly seems to have gone quiet on the Ki front.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2014, 08:35:13 PM
Given our situation it's an absolute must that we make good use of the loan market
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2014, 08:44:20 PM
Loan? How about Holtby?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 23, 2014, 08:49:25 PM
Damon is on holiday in France I will ask him if there is anything in their sports papers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on July 23, 2014, 08:50:15 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Anyone know who this is?

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-sunderland-and-aston-villa-go-head-head-over-evian-midfielder-140723103401

That rumour does not hold water and lacks fizz.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 23, 2014, 09:00:02 PM
Lets get several.   The more the Perrier.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 23, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
oh for fuc. sake...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 23, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
Somebody called Wass from Evian? Will he change his name to Mason when he gets here?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: nodge on July 23, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Anyone know who this is?

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-sunderland-and-aston-villa-go-head-head-over-evian-midfielder-140723103401


Never heard of him but he looks like he could do the dance routine to Tragedy by Steps.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
They've already lost Michu and Hernandez.

I missed this, where did they go? 
Michu was talked about in the 20m class category not so long ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
They've already lost Michu and Hernandez.

I missed this, where did they go? 
Michu was talked about in the 20m class category not so long ago.
Michu has gone to Napoli. Not sure about Hernandez, but looks like he's going to leave.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 23, 2014, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Anyone know who this is?

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-sunderland-and-aston-villa-go-head-head-over-evian-midfielder-140723103401

Youngish Danish player who got his break at Brųndby what seems like an eternity ago.

Never seems to last long anywhere.  No-one seems to be able to decide if he's an attacking full-back who's not so great at defending or a wide midfielder. 

Capped 10 times for the Danish national team, most of them friendlies from early 2011, last of which was February last year.

Been in and out of the squad over that time, mostly out.  Unless his absences have been due to getting frozen out at club level (see comment about not lasting long anywhere) that he can't hold down a place in a very mediocre Denmark squad at the moment doesn't bode well.

And don't be fooled by him having Benfica on his CV.  He was loaned to Evian without kicking a ball for their first team.

All that said I can't remember actually having seen him kick a ball in anger, although I must have done a few times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
They've already lost Michu and Hernandez.

I missed this, where did they go? 
Michu was talked about in the 20m class category not so long ago.
Michu has gone to Napoli. Not sure about Hernandez, but looks like he's going to leave.
Going to Qatar apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 23, 2014, 10:36:49 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
They've already lost Michu and Hernandez.

I missed this, where did they go? 
Michu was talked about in the 20m class category not so long ago.
Michu has gone to Napoli. Not sure about Hernandez, but looks like he's going to leave.
Going to Qatar apparently.

Joining up with Laudrup then I guess.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lyewho??? on July 24, 2014, 12:00:45 AM
Ive just been reading twitter feeds that are suggesting Vlaar to Spurs with Holtby coming the other way!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 24, 2014, 12:00:45 AM
Ive just been reading twitter feeds that are suggesting Vlaar to Spurs with Holtby coming the other way!!!


Welcome, and just look in the Concrete Ron thread. With added Dawson as well!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 24, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
a day after Lambert saying he's not going anywhere?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lyewho??? on July 24, 2014, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 24, 2014, 12:00:45 AM
Ive just been reading twitter feeds that are suggesting Vlaar to Spurs with Holtby coming the other way!!!




Welcome, and just look in the Concrete Ron thread. With added Dawson as well!

Thx this maybe the best deal on the table for him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 24, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
Are you him or something? That's the same link twice now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 24, 2014, 12:23:32 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 24, 2014, 12:00:45 AM
Ive just been reading twitter feeds that are suggesting Vlaar to Spurs with Holtby coming the other way!!!


Welcome, and just look in the Concrete Ron thread. With added Dawson as well!


I'm pretty sure I have read this post out of context PWS, but I am a big fan of Dawson. I like Holtby too, so if we can do a deal for them and lose Concrete I would take that. Two for one, even if it involves loan deals. Because let's face it Concrete only has a year left on his contract and we are basically just trying to survive next season, there is no ling term planning at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 24, 2014, 12:27:40 AM
I would definitely take it if true, what sort of wage would they command?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2014, 03:08:41 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on July 23, 2014, 08:50:15 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Anyone know who this is?

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-sunderland-and-aston-villa-go-head-head-over-evian-midfielder-140723103401

That rumour does not hold water and lacks fizz.
Nothing Springs to mind on this lad but Still something to quench our thirst.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 24, 2014, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 24, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
a day after Lambert saying he's not going anywhere?
I know. It almost seems nailed on now. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 24, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 23, 2014, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on July 23, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Anyone know who this is?

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-sunderland-and-aston-villa-go-head-head-over-evian-midfielder-140723103401

Youngish Danish player who got his break at Brųndby what seems like an eternity ago.

Never seems to last long anywhere.  No-one seems to be able to decide if he's an attacking full-back who's not so great at defending or a wide midfielder. 

Capped 10 times for the Danish national team, most of them friendlies from early 2011, last of which was February last year.

Been in and out of the squad over that time, mostly out.  Unless his absences have been due to getting frozen out at club level (see comment about not lasting long anywhere) that he can't hold down a place in a very mediocre Denmark squad at the moment doesn't bode well.

And don't be fooled by him having Benfica on his CV.  He was loaned to Evian without kicking a ball for their first team.

All that said I can't remember actually having seen him kick a ball in anger, although I must have done a few times.

Sounds like he'd fit right in
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 24, 2014, 12:21:01 PM
TalkShite reported this morning Liverpool were bidding £8m for Ryan Bertrand.  Jeez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2014, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on July 24, 2014, 12:21:01 PM
TalkShite reported this morning Liverpool were bidding £8m for Ryan Bertrand.  Jeez.

I'm sure Dalgleish must still be negotiating their transfers.  Think of a number then double it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28460394

Quote
"We have four number 10s, so it is not balanced in my eyes," said Van Gaal.

Get Keane to use his Man. United connections and bring Kagawa to VP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2014, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28460394

Quote
"We have four number 10s, so it is not balanced in my eyes," said Van Gaal.

Get Keane to use his Man. United connections and bring Kagawa to VP.

Lambert got sneered at for calling an attacking midfielder a number 10.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.

To be fair, I think what he was slated for wasn't that he used the term "number 10", it was because he said "I call them number 10s" as if it wasn't a widely used term.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.

To be fair, I think what he was slated for wasn't that he used the term "number 10", it was because he said "I call them number 10s" as if it wasn't a widely used term.

there was that bit, but also the fact that he used a term that some deemed somewhat antiquated in the modern era of throwing about "falsche neuns" and "trequartistas".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on July 24, 2014, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.

To be fair, I think what he was slated for wasn't that he used the term "number 10", it was because he said "I call them number 10s" as if it wasn't a widely used term.

This summer has shown a lot of people up to be gratuitous moaners who need to get a grip.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 24, 2014, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.

To be fair, I think what he was slated for wasn't that he used the term "number 10", it was because he said "I call them number 10s" as if it wasn't a widely used term.

Aye, it was that, and the fact that he seemed to know last summer that's what the team needed but didn't do anything about it then or even in the following window.    Budget constraints yada yada yada, but that didn't stop him signing players for positions we were already reasonably well covered in. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 24, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
Kiyotake has gone to Hannover for €4m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 24, 2014, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 24, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
Kiyotake has gone to Hannover for €4m.

That's a lot of money to spend on a day trip. We must be paying him a hell of a signing on fee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Being  a tactical genius and one of the world's best managers if Van Gaal wants to call a player a No 10 he can. Lambert isn't, and shouldn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 24, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
Kiyotake has gone to Hannover for €4m.

Has anyone told that mad Julie woman on Twitter?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 24, 2014, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 24, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
Kiyotake has gone to Hannover for €4m.

Has anyone told that mad Julie woman on Twitter?

They were going to be she'd already found out and committed suicide.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 24, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Being  a tactical genius and one of the world's best managers if Van Gaal wants to call a player a No 10 he can. Lambert isn't, and shouldn't.

that's not at all the point though is it? He's a football manager and was an excellent player so he is justified in having a view on the game. And while it hasn't worked out for him yet there was no real reason to call him out on it. It came at a time where things were going badly, was all rather trivial and it became just another stick to beat him with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 24, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28460394

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"We have four number 10s, so it is not balanced in my eyes," said Van Gaal.

Get Keane to use his Man. United connections and bring Kagawa to VP.

I am not convinced about Keane's 'Man United Connections'. I suspect there may not be a lot of Christmas cards being delivered back and forth each December.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 24, 2014, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 24, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28460394

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"We have four number 10s, so it is not balanced in my eyes," said Van Gaal.

Get Keane to use his Man. United connections and bring Kagawa to VP.

I am not convinced about Keane's 'Man United Connections'. I suspect there may not be a lot of Christmas cards being delivered back and forth each December.

That and the fact that it was a long time ago he was there, so I think any connections might have dried up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 24, 2014, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 24, 2014, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 24, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28460394

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"We have four number 10s, so it is not balanced in my eyes," said Van Gaal.

Get Keane to use his Man. United connections and bring Kagawa to VP.

I am not convinced about Keane's 'Man United Connections'. I suspect there may not be a lot of Christmas cards being delivered back and forth each December.

That and the fact that it was a long time ago he was there, so I think any connections might have dried up.

He obviously knows the likes of Giggs, Scholes  and Butt who I think are all still involved on the coaching side. I am just not convinced that they are all Inbetweeners style thumbs aloft 'best friends'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Vlaar for Dawson and Holtby? Probably crap, but yes please. Straight transfers though, no loans from spuds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on July 24, 2014, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 24, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Vlaar for Dawson and Holtby? Probably crap, but yes please. Straight transfers though, no loans from spuds.

I'd much rather have Vlaar sign an extension. Dawson is trash and Holtby can't hack it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 24, 2014, 03:39:57 PM
Dawson is awfull.  Holtby hasn't really got going yet in this league but there might be a player in there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 24, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Vlaar is ten times the player Dawson is and Holtby was pretty unspectacular for Fulham last season. If they were to sweeten the deal with £15m I'll think about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
I can't believe so many people are ready to package off our captain to Spurs for two players that hardly set the pulse racing. Holtby really hasn't lit it up for Fulham or Spurs, and Dawson isn't remotely close to Vlaar in ability or leadership. I'd sooner see Vlaar and Okore combine and improve our situation at the back than bring in another new CB. What we need to is a more settled situation and it is already going to be a little bumpy at first because when Vlaar comes back he'll essentially have three new starting defenders if Hutton somehow beats out Lowton. The last thing I want to see is even more volatility by packaging off Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on July 24, 2014, 05:49:36 PM
I'm not saying I would swap Vlaar for him but Dawson is no where near the crap player some are making out. He's been captain of a side that's finished in the top 6 consistently over the last few years and was their player of the year a few years back. He's hardly championship fodder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
I can't believe that we are talking up Okore when we've seen him in only a handful of games!! Hope I'm wrong but he's become a much better player since being injured.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 24, 2014, 06:09:55 PM
We have too many, "there could be a player in there" players. Holtby is one of those and Dawson is garbage, hitting 60 yd diagonal passes into touch all the time and treading water when at max speed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 24, 2014, 06:25:00 PM
Dawson might have looked ropey a few times last season, but then so did Vlaar.  And I say that as someone who rated him even after his first season.  Vlaar isn't perhaps in the very top bracket of centre halves we've had over the years, but we miss him whenever he doesn't play. You just have to look at our record with compared to without him.

That said, Dawson has been one of the top centre halves in the country dating back the past 5/6 years.  Vlaar is probably the better footballer, but Dawson is better in the air.  There isn't much between them, even if it was a straight swap.  If it's Dawson and Holtby (and somehow cash on top of that) we'd be mad not to look at it. 

The concern that this might just be shite from Levy to get the player unsettled and then the real offer (if it comes in at all) is way down on that type of valuation.   

I'd happily dismiss this all this as the latest creative works of Alan Nixon, but other newspapers seem to be running with it too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 24, 2014, 06:48:42 PM
Give me Big Ron over Dawson any day of the week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 24, 2014, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 24, 2014, 06:48:42 PM
Give me Big Ron over Dawson any day of the week.

I think he was a midfielder. Agree, though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 24, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 24, 2014, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 24, 2014, 06:48:42 PM
Give me Big Ron over Dawson any day of the week.

I think he was a midfielder. Agree, though.
Indeed he was!
The "F" bit came a bit later methinks! ;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.

Did he? It's pretty common as a concept no?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 24, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Number 4 used to be a midfield position too. 8 the inside forward. Think the others are quite obvious.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 24, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Number 4 used to be a midfield position too. 8 the inside forward. Think the others are quite obvious.

4 was the deeper midfielder, 7 out on the right, 11 on the left. In my mind anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 24, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 24, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Number 4 used to be a midfield position too. 8 the inside forward. Think the others are quite obvious.

4 was the deeper midfielder, 7 out on the right, 11 on the left. In my mind anyway.

Yup, 10 got forward, 6 (or 4) stayed back and won the ball. The good old days!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2014, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 24, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
so even the great Van Gaal is using the term "number 10". I know Lambert got slated by some last year for using it.
Did he? It's pretty common as a concept no?
No, he didn't. He got slated for the rather embarrassing "specialist attacking midfielder - I call them 'number tens'" comment. Not using the term 'number ten', but for the implication that he was passing on some sort of inner-circle, mystic idea that the rank and file might not have heard of before.

If he'd missed out the words "I call them" then there was nothing even slightly noteworthy (apart from the fact that he'd realised we need one). He didn't, and therefore looked a bit cringey.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 24, 2014, 10:36:43 PM
Or maybe he was just saying that he calls them number 10s? No deeper, sinister, cynical, mystical notion other than he just refers them to as number 10s. You don't hear the term about much nowadays in the media and maybe younger fans don't know what he is referring to. the same as you don't really hear managers say that they're after a number 9 very often but refer to the name of the position.

He didn't appear cringey to me at all. But there again each to their own.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

So basically for using a figure of speech people decided it was worthy of ridicule? It's the type of cliche people drop into conversation all the time and in the artificial environment of a press conference they are ten a penny.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

Innit.

It was a bit like saying "Yeah, that massive network of computers, or the internet as I like to call it".

I don't really think it's worth giving him too much of a hard time over, but I do think that anyone who thought it was the fact he used the term "number 10" (which is a universally understood term) that some people raised an eyebrow at, rather than the "I call them ...." bit that came before it is getting the 'joke' arse about tit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

Innit.

It was a bit like saying "Yeah, that massive network of computers, or the internet as I like to call it".

I don't really think it's worth giving him too much of a hard time over, but I do think that anyone who thought it was the fact he used the term "number 10" (which is a universally understood term) that some people raised an eyebrow at, rather than the "I call them ...." bit that came before it is getting the 'joke' arse about tit.

I don't think it is 'universally understood', to my dad it would be an inside left to my mom it would be a bus.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

So basically for using a figure of speech people decided it was worthy of ridicule? It's the type of cliche people drop into conversation all the time and in the artificial environment of a press conference they are ten a penny.

I agree. Instead of just acknowledging the fact that he also realized we needed someone in that position he was ridiculed for a couple of extra words in the sentence. In the grand scheme it didn't matter at all. In fact, had we been doing well, and the manager was enjoying popularity with the fans nobody would have noticed or deemed it cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

Innit.

It was a bit like saying "Yeah, that massive network of computers, or the internet as I like to call it".

I don't really think it's worth giving him too much of a hard time over, but I do think that anyone who thought it was the fact he used the term "number 10" (which is a universally understood term) that some people raised an eyebrow at, rather than the "I call them ...." bit that came before it is getting the 'joke' arse about tit.

I don't think it is 'universally understood', to my dad it would be an inside left to my mom it would be a bus.



Well, anyone not really interested in football wouldn't have been paying much attention in the first place, but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

So basically for using a figure of speech people decided it was worthy of ridicule? It's the type of cliche people drop into conversation all the time and in the artificial environment of a press conference they are ten a penny.

I agree. Instead of just acknowledging the fact that he also realized we needed someone in that position he was ridiculed for a couple of extra words in the sentence. In the grand scheme it didn't matter at all. In fact, had we been doing well, and the manager was enjoying popularity with the fans nobody would have noticed or deemed it cringeworthy.

You make it sound as if the forum was in tumult over it.

As I remember it, Monty mentioned it being cringey, a few people nodded their heads and we all went on with our lives.

Whilst I think things like people banging on about Ian Taylor not being on the tour is making a mountain out of a mole hill, I think suggesting Lambert got some sort of avalanche of piss take over this is doing exactly the same thing.

You're right, if we'd been doing well people wouldn't have mentioned it. We weren't, though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 24, 2014, 11:36:52 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 24, 2014, 06:25:00 PM
Dawson might have looked ropey a few times last season, but then so did Vlaar.  And I say that as someone who rated him even after his first season.  Vlaar isn't perhaps in the very top bracket of centre halves we've had over the years, but we miss him whenever he doesn't play. You just have to look at our record with compared to without him.

That said, Dawson has been one of the top centre halves in the country dating back the past 5/6 years.  Vlaar is probably the better footballer, but Dawson is better in the air.  There isn't much between them, even if it was a straight swap.  If it's Dawson and Holtby (and somehow cash on top of that) we'd be mad not to look at it. 

The concern that this might just be shite from Levy to get the player unsettled and then the real offer (if it comes in at all) is way down on that type of valuation.   

I'd happily dismiss this all this as the latest creative works of Alan Nixon, but other newspapers seem to be running with it too.

Probably has quite a bit to do with who came in for him when he was injured as well.  The defensive trio of Herd-Clark-Baker that conceded 15 goals in the space of three games in Lambert's first season still gives me shudders.  All three still at the club as well.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 24, 2014, 11:38:41 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on July 24, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Vlaar is ten times the player Dawson is and Holtby was pretty unspectacular for Fulham last season. If they were to sweeten the deal with £15m I'll think about it.

Didn't see too many of their games, but I thought he was the standout player on the pitch when they beat us at home towards the end of last season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 24, 2014, 11:40:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

So basically for using a figure of speech people decided it was worthy of ridicule? It's the type of cliche people drop into conversation all the time and in the artificial environment of a press conference they are ten a penny.

I agree. Instead of just acknowledging the fact that he also realized we needed someone in that position he was ridiculed for a couple of extra words in the sentence. In the grand scheme it didn't matter at all. In fact, had we been doing well, and the manager was enjoying popularity with the fans nobody would have noticed or deemed it cringeworthy.

In the grand scheme of things, it still doesn't matter, does it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

So basically for using a figure of speech people decided it was worthy of ridicule? It's the type of cliche people drop into conversation all the time and in the artificial environment of a press conference they are ten a penny.

I agree. Instead of just acknowledging the fact that he also realized we needed someone in that position he was ridiculed for a couple of extra words in the sentence. In the grand scheme it didn't matter at all. In fact, had we been doing well, and the manager was enjoying popularity with the fans nobody would have noticed or deemed it cringeworthy.

You make it sound as if the forum was in tumult over it.

As I remember it, Monty mentioned it being cringey, a few people nodded their heads and we all went on with our lives.

Whilst I think things like people banging on about Ian Taylor not being on the tour is making a mountain out of a mole hill, I think suggesting Lambert got some sort of avalanche of piss take over this is doing exactly the same thing.

You're right, if we'd been doing well people wouldn't have mentioned it. We weren't, though.

Exactly this. I found it cringeworthy in much the same way I found Big Ron addressing the Holte End with a microphone to tell us he was trying to sign Deano cringeworthy, or shuddered at that Aldi advert with Sir Graham in recently. It was neither influenced by, or influenced his popularity with me. I actually quite like the bloke.

Perhaps 'ridicule' was the wrong word, but it was certainly the assertion that it was not a commonly used term that lead to him being mocked.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 25, 2014, 12:05:43 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on July 24, 2014, 05:49:36 PM
I'm not saying I would swap Vlaar for him but Dawson is no where near the crap player some are making out. He's been captain of a side that's finished in the top 6 consistently over the last few years and was their player of the year a few years back. He's hardly championship fodder.

Dawson would be a good signing for us. Very slow on the turn but then so is John Terry. Regular football at Villa Park next to a speedy player like Okore and he would fit in well I think. Always struck me as a leader and talker at the back. Vlaar is anything but a leader, this is the right time to get rid of him if someone comes in with a silly bid. His injury problems aren't going to improve as he gets older.

Not gone on Holtby. Looks the part but delivers very few goals or assists. One to avoid

De Guzman would be an upgrade on Westwood for us. Our midfield roster must the worst in the EPL.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
Holtby is a good player. Really energetic too from what I've seen of him. I'd like it a lot if he signed.

Not much difference between Dawson and Vlaar to be honest.

I have a feeling Southampton might get desperate and offer us 10m for Vlaar if they sell Lovren. I'd take that and run.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 25, 2014, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
Holtby is a good player. Really energetic too from what I've seen of him. I'd like it a lot if he signed.

Not much difference between Dawson and Vlaar to be honest.

I have a feeling Southampton might get desperate and offer us 10m for Vlaar if they sell Lovren. I'd take that and run.

This is my hunch also.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 24, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
I'm with Dave. It was the "as I like to call them" aspect that lead to him being ridiculed.

So basically for using a figure of speech people decided it was worthy of ridicule? It's the type of cliche people drop into conversation all the time and in the artificial environment of a press conference they are ten a penny.

I agree. Instead of just acknowledging the fact that he also realized we needed someone in that position he was ridiculed for a couple of extra words in the sentence. In the grand scheme it didn't matter at all. In fact, had we been doing well, and the manager was enjoying popularity with the fans nobody would have noticed or deemed it cringeworthy.

You make it sound as if the forum was in tumult over it.

As I remember it, Monty mentioned it being cringey, a few people nodded their heads and we all went on with our lives.

Whilst I think things like people banging on about Ian Taylor not being on the tour is making a mountain out of a mole hill, I think suggesting Lambert got some sort of avalanche of piss take over this is doing exactly the same thing.

You're right, if we'd been doing well people wouldn't have mentioned it. We weren't, though.

no not at all. If you read my original post on it I said some people. And it's like everything on here, we all get on with our lives. It wasn't that important then and not that important now. The Ian Taylor thing is another good example. It's a mountain out of a molehill yet for some became a stick to beat the manager with. You'll find football fans in general do that with loads of things when things aren't going well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 25, 2014, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
Holtby is a good player. Really energetic too from what I've seen of him. I'd like it a lot if he signed.

Not much difference between Dawson and Vlaar to be honest.

I have a feeling Southampton might get desperate and offer us 10m for Vlaar if they sell Lovren. I'd take that and run.
£10m for the best centre back in the World Cup?  Are we so desperate? Surely not! Holtby yes at the right price but Dawson never in a month of 6 Sundays! He is overrated because he plays for Spurs. He was useless for England.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 25, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
I thought Dawson showed a lot of promise when he broke into the first team at Sperms but my abiding memory of him is the game at VP when he tussled with Olof from a set piece and Melberg scored and just stood there laughing. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2014, 05:45:46 AM
Even Harry would think twice about signing Dawson. And then go and offer £15million and 80k a week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JJ-AV on July 25, 2014, 06:26:20 AM
Before we'd signed Cole I'd have probably gone for that Holtby/Dawson for Vlaar swap. It's Spurs cast-offs, and while Vlaar proved he's a good player at the WC, his form hasn't been consistant for us.

Holtby is a class act and we'd be better all round for it.

Not now though, the team is taking shape. I'm not completely content with the quality of our players, but they're good enough to avoid relegation and keep us in that 10th-16th bracket.

3-5-2 for me. I don't think we need reinforcement in any area at the minute, so unless a quality loan player becomes available I'd focus all the resources on getting Vlaar and Delph tied down.

Guzan
Okore - Vlaar - Senderos
Bacuna ------------------------ Richardson
Westwood - Delph
Cole
Gabby - Weimann

Is probably how I see us starting the season, with the usual lot in reserve, plus the bomb squad returning and then Benteke and Kozak.

Our squad is massive at the minute, and needs some trimming. Although I'm optimistic that the bomb squad, Bent and N'Zogbia inparticular, can really contribute this season.

We've added three serious pros and Keane - hopefully that'll get Hutton, N'Zog and Bent fighting again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2014, 07:39:39 AM
On the basis that Joe Cole is already injured, I'd definitely sign someone else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
The whole Cole signing is laughable to me. He doesn't assist or score many these days so i can't see any logical reason for signing him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 25, 2014, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on July 25, 2014, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
Holtby is a good player. Really energetic too from what I've seen of him. I'd like it a lot if he signed.

Not much difference between Dawson and Vlaar to be honest.

I have a feeling Southampton might get desperate and offer us 10m for Vlaar if they sell Lovren. I'd take that and run.
£10m for the best centre back in the World Cup?  Are we so desperate? Surely not! Holtby yes at the right price but Dawson never in a month of 6 Sundays! He is overrated because he plays for Spurs. He was useless for England.

I'd say £10 m is about right as he only has a year left on his contract, obviously it would be a lot higher if he had 2+ years remaining.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 25, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2014, 07:39:39 AM
On the basis that Joe Cole is already injured, I'd definitely sign someone else.

If it's the shape of things to come maybe, but at first glance it would be an over-reaction to resting someone because of a slight knock.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2014, 09:02:20 AM
Quote from: Richard E on July 25, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2014, 07:39:39 AM
On the basis that Joe Cole is already injured, I'd definitely sign someone else.

If it's the shape of things to come maybe, but at first glance it would be an over-reaction to resting someone because of a slight knock.

He has a history of injuries, I hope it's not a sign of things to come but it probably is
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 25, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
The whole Cole signing is laughable to me. He doesn't assist or score many these days so i can't see any logical reason for signing him.

because we needed a player in that position, decent young injury free players in that position don't come cheap, our transfer and wages budget would appear to be small, he was a good in that position a few years ago, he was a cheap acquisition, he will still be our best midfielder if he stays injury free - a punt to nothing really. May work out, may not but worth a punt surely
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 25, 2014, 10:05:18 AM
Can't say I'm excited about cole but given the complete lack of any ball playing penetration and creativity in the final third it's still an improvement
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
The whole Cole signing is laughable to me. He doesn't assist or score many these days so i can't see any logical reason for signing him.

I don't think playing for Fat Sam was ever going to work for Cole so difficult to judge him on recent form. I agree it is a gamble but one that if it comes off will give us a good player in a position that we are sorely lacking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 25, 2014, 10:26:01 AM
Problem with Cole, apart from his porcelain constitution is that he will need some protection in midfield and Delph has enough on his plate most of the time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 25, 2014, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: brian green on July 25, 2014, 10:26:01 AM
Problem with Cole, apart from his porcelain constitution is that he will need some protection in midfield and Delph has enough on his plate most of the time.

anymore protection than what was already there? no

will him improve our midfield if he plays? yes

is it a gamble? yes
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2014, 10:51:20 AM
Don't really have a problem signing Cole provided we sign someone else in his position as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on July 25, 2014, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
Holtby is a good player. Really energetic too from what I've seen of him. I'd like it a lot if he signed.

Not much difference between Dawson and Vlaar to be honest.

I have a feeling Southampton might get desperate and offer us 10m for Vlaar if they sell Lovren. I'd take that and run.
£10m for the best centre back in the World Cup?  Are we so desperate? Surely not! Holtby yes at the right price but Dawson never in a month of 6 Sundays! He is overrated because he plays for Spurs. He was useless for England.

Best centre back at the World Cup? I can only assume you didn't actually watch it, as Mats Hummels was easily the best CB there.

Vlaar had a few good games, but he looked like his usual self for the rest. I particularly remember one game against the footballing powerhouse that is Australia and he was struggling massively.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2014, 10:56:44 AM
If we revise his statement to "one of the three or four best centre-backs at the World Cup" it doesn't really change his point though, does it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 25, 2014, 10:56:44 AM
If we revise his statement to "one of the three or four best centre-backs at the World Cup" it doesn't really change his point though, does it?

It doesn't, but he said "the best centre back", which is the point I'm challenging at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2014, 11:05:31 AM
I thought he had a great World Cup and deserved the plaudits he got for his performances.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Best centre back at the World Cup? I can only assume you didn't actually watch it, as Mats Hummels was easily the best CB there.

I thought Hummels looked a bit suspect in the final, and Messi exposed his lack of pace a couple of times. Compared to how Vlaar handled him in the semi-finals I wouldn't say there was much, if anything, between them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Best centre back at the World Cup? I can only assume you didn't actually watch it, as Mats Hummels was easily the best CB there.

I thought Hummels looked a bit suspect in the final, and Messi exposed his lack of pace a couple of times. Compared to how Vlaar handled him in the semi-finals I wouldn't say there was much, if anything, between them.

That's just one game. Hummels had a better tournament than Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2014, 11:48:22 AM
I thought Hummels was suspect in the final as well, everyone has bad games. Vlaar was outstanding at the World Cup overall.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Best centre back at the World Cup? I can only assume you didn't actually watch it, as Mats Hummels was easily the best CB there.

I thought Hummels looked a bit suspect in the final, and Messi exposed his lack of pace a couple of times. Compared to how Vlaar handled him in the semi-finals I wouldn't say there was much, if anything, between them.

That's just one game. Hummels had a better tournament than Vlaar.

I wonder if you would be saying that if he wasn't a Villa player? For some people nowadays it has become quite fashionable to find new ways to bash our own.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 25, 2014, 12:18:43 PM
I like Vlaar. I think he is a good player and he seems like a good bloke. He has been handicapped since he joined us by having to play with central defensive partners who are not actually very good. But some of the plaudits that are being thrown at him for his World Cup performances are OTT in my opinion. I honestly don't think he was as good as some people are saying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 25, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
Rio Ferdinand who knows a thing or two about centre backs thought he was the best of the tournament.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Best centre back at the World Cup? I can only assume you didn't actually watch it, as Mats Hummels was easily the best CB there.

I thought Hummels looked a bit suspect in the final, and Messi exposed his lack of pace a couple of times. Compared to how Vlaar handled him in the semi-finals I wouldn't say there was much, if anything, between them.

That's just one game. Hummels had a better tournament than Vlaar.

It was just one game, but it was the only one where both centre-backs in question came-up against the same team and therefore a good way to compare them.

According to Fifa's official stats, Vlaar played a full 181 minutes more than Hummels (!), won more tackles, made the same amount of blocks and had a better pass completion percentage (83.2% to 81.4%). In fact, it's only really Hummels' 2 goals that trumps Vlaar anywhere on that list.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2014, 12:34:07 PM
If you were naming your team of the tournament, Vlaar and Hummels would possibly be most people's centre backs, although apparently somehow Luiz got chosen in the official one I think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Best centre back at the World Cup? I can only assume you didn't actually watch it, as Mats Hummels was easily the best CB there.

I thought Hummels looked a bit suspect in the final, and Messi exposed his lack of pace a couple of times. Compared to how Vlaar handled him in the semi-finals I wouldn't say there was much, if anything, between them.

That's just one game. Hummels had a better tournament than Vlaar.

I wonder if you would be saying that if he wasn't a Villa player? For some people nowadays it has become quite fashionable to find new ways to bash our own.

You say stuff like this all the time. It is okay for Villa fans to criticise our players/manager!!!

I wasn't doing that anyway. He had a decent World Cup, just wasn't the best CB like some suggested.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2014, 12:40:49 PM
'Had a decent World Cup'? No he had an excellent World Cup and was comfortably one of the best centre halves at the tournament.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 25, 2014, 12:34:07 PM
If you were naming your team of the tournament, Vlaar and Hummels would possibly be most people's centre backs, although apparently somehow Luiz got chosen in the official one I think.

Not one of the ITV pundits chose him in their teams either, most opting for Gonzalez of Costa Rica alongside Hummels. The BBC had him down as "just missed out" in their XI. Strange, when you think that Messi was in practically everyone's team and the job that Vlaar did on him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 25, 2014, 12:55:55 PM
I am going to settle for he had a good World Cup, you know like Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion was a good film, no need to go over the top about these things ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 25, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
Ron Vlarr was easily the one of the best centre backs and most consistent at the World Cup and I for one was proud he is ours. Credit where credit is due to Ron and Lambert for bringing him to the club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Ron had a great WC - looked caught out for pace a couple of times but his defensive stance, tackling and distribution were excellent.
As I said somewhere before, having strong players around you helps to make you more effective as a player and this was clearly the case with Ron. I look forward to him teaming up with Okore again and hope that both can stay injury free. If so I reckon we've got a really strong CB pairing.

But, we still need to strengthen midfield Mr Lambert!!! Or Ron and Okore are gonna be massively overworked!
UTV!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 25, 2014, 01:28:27 PM
For my four pennyworth, I thought Ron's first twenty minutes against Spain and a goal down was one of the best blood and guts performances of a centre half I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Ron had a great WC - looked caught out for pace a couple of times

Au contraire sir!

http://www.thescore.com/news/535636
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 25, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
Has anyone got a link to the 'official' team of the world cup. I looked previously but couldn't find it. Luiz can't be in it. Surely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Ron had a great WC - looked caught out for pace a couple of times

Au contraire sir!

http://www.thescore.com/news/535636

Ron Vlaar vs Eden Hazard... superb stuff
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2014, 03:23:15 PM
the best CB in the WC bar none
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2014, 03:23:15 PM
the best CB in the WC bar none

In the toilet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2014, 03:27:59 PM
quite possibly
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2014, 03:49:32 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 25, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
Has anyone got a link to the 'official' team of the world cup. I looked previously but couldn't find it. Luiz can't be in it. Surely.

The 'Castrol Index':

 Manuel Neuer (Germany)
 Marcos Rojo (Argentina)
 Mats Hummels (Germany)
 Thiago Silva (Brazil)
 Stefan de Vrij (Netherlands)
 Oscar (Brazil)
 Toni Kroos (Germany)
 Philipp Lahm (Germany)
 James Rodrķguez (Colombia)
 Arjen Robben (Netherlands)
 Thomas Müller (Germany)
 
The Dream Team:


Manuel Neuer (Germany)
Marcelo (Brazil)
Mats Hummels (Germany)
Thiago Silva (Brazil)
David Luiz (Brazil)
Įngel di Marķa (Argentina)
Toni Kroos (Germany)
James Rodrķguez (Colombia)
Neymar (Brazil)
Lionel Messi (Argentina)
Thomas Müller (Germany)
 
Joachim Löw (Germany)
 
No idea who picks them or on what criteria though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
Vlaar was better than Silva for sure in the tournament, and how has Marcelo got in there? And David Luiz is in there based on one very good goal. Blimey
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
It's pretty impressive that the side that conceded the most goals apparently has three of the four best defenders.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Ron had a great WC - looked caught out for pace a couple of times

Au contraire sir!

http://www.thescore.com/news/535636

Ron Vlaar vs Eden Hazard... superb stuff
Delighted to know I'm talking bollux Russell.
Good stuff!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
No way should Luiz be in any "best of" team based on his WC performances (IMHO - please don't prove me wrong Russell!)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
I find it truly laughable that Marcelo should be named in any team of the tournament. Unless it is "Hopeless Fucks of the Tournament". He truly was awful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 04:37:18 PM
Surprised Ricardo Rodriguez didn't make it in to any of those teams. My 4 defenders would've been De Vrij, Hummels, Blind, and Rodriguez.

Anyway, transfers... *tumbleweed*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 25, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 25, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
It's pretty impressive that the side that conceded the most goals apparently has three of the four best defenders.

Cheers dave, i think these people need to put the crack pipes down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2014, 05:29:19 PM
They didn't watch the World Cup . They were eating prawn sandwiches. Was it the same clueless idiots that voted for Messi as the player of the tournament?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 25, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
Like my son Damon said so perceptively about TV pundits but it applies equally to award assessors - not one of them has ever had to pay to watch a football match so they have not got a clue what constitutes a good game or an entertaining one for the paying fans.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 06:00:35 PM
I think that 'official' team was actually based on a fan vote.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Kevin Dawson on July 25, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
I find it truly laughable that Marcelo should be named in any team of the tournament. Unless it is "Hopeless Fucks of the Tournament". He truly was awful.
Luiz should play just in front of the back four. Marcelo was truly awful.He made Luna look good...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2014, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Ron had a great WC - looked caught out for pace a couple of times

Au contraire sir!

http://www.thescore.com/news/535636

Ron Vlaar vs Eden Hazard... superb stuff
Delighted to know I'm talking bollux Russell.
Good stuff!

No, you are quite correct. Remember he should have been sent off against Chelsea because there was no way, NO WAY, that he would have caught Usain Ramires 30-35 yards from goal. Even Shearer said it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
Gregorys Girl was better...than Mich and Romy I mean.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
Any Villa transfer speculation on this thread?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2014, 08:06:40 PM
fuck all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 08:12:29 PM
N'ZMAV every day several times a day I check H@V, Newsnow, Football rumours, BBC Football etc etc its killing me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2014, 08:20:40 PM
I use Twitter. It's a total farce.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
Also Radio WM, Talksport, Evening Mail, I also tap up my Uncle Chris who works at the club (He knows fuck all) Mrs Kirk thinks at almost 58 its time to ease back where Villa are concerened, she will never understand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 25, 2014, 08:28:34 PM
Get another hobby. Bowls?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 25, 2014, 08:28:34 PM
Get another hobby. Bowls?

Dont think Bowls would do it for me, the wife has suggested fishing but dont fancy that either, naaa I will stick with Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 25, 2014, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
Any Villa transfer speculation on this thread?
Defoe spotted at The Belfry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 25, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2014, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
Any Villa transfer speculation on this thread?
Defoe spotted at The Belfry.

Is he a bat?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on July 25, 2014, 08:49:34 PM
Willam Dafoe?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Perhaps he can play the part of a world class creative MF!?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Perhaps he can play the part of a world class creative MF!?

Yeah, badly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:17:47 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Perhaps he can play the part of a world class creative MF!?

Yeah, badly.
Just to sort of fit in, like?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:17:47 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Perhaps he can play the part of a world class creative MF!?

Yeah, badly.
Just to sort of fit in, like?

No, he's just rubbish. So he would fit in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:17:47 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2014, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 25, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Perhaps he can play the part of a world class creative MF!?

Yeah, badly.
Just to sort of fit in, like?

No, he's just rubbish. So he would fit in.
The new owner!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2014, 11:42:52 PM
Julie whatsherface's favourite Hiroshi Kiyotake joins Hannover 96. So I'm guessing we weren't that bothered about him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 25, 2014, 11:42:52 PM
Julie whatsherface's favourite Hiroshi Kiyotake joins Hannover 96. So I'm guessing we weren't that bothered about him.

Do try and keep up ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 12:08:31 AM
According to the Mirror we're still interested in getting Christian Atsu on loan from the chavs. Mind you so are 15 other clubs. ::)
 Mirror  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-christian-atsu-transfer-target-3915330)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2014, 01:02:37 AM
It's all gone rather quiet. Not a solid link all week. Other than Vlaar outgoing that is. I hope we are waiting for some fall out from other clubs, not that we really want rejects but there might be some bargains out there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 26, 2014, 05:15:50 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 12:08:31 AM
Atsu

Bless you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 26, 2014, 06:51:09 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 12:08:31 AM
According to the Mirror we're still interested in getting Christian Atsu on loan from the chavs. Mind you so are 15 other clubs. ::)
 Mirror  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-christian-atsu-transfer-target-3915330)

Lambert play with a winger? He even switched Albrighton to centre midfield!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ACVilla on July 26, 2014, 08:08:34 AM
At least we won't be getting Bendtner: http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/nicklas-bendtner-s-demands-for-a-move-to-eintracht-frankfurt-are-astonishing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2014, 09:03:30 AM
and here's me thinking Ireland was the biggest tool in football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Witton Warrior on July 26, 2014, 09:34:15 AM
Quote from: ACVilla on July 26, 2014, 08:08:34 AM
At least we won't be getting Bendtner: http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/nicklas-bendtner-s-demands-for-a-move-to-eintracht-frankfurt-are-astonishing

He's a lad innee - Thank fook he won't be coming anywhere near VP
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on July 26, 2014, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on July 26, 2014, 06:51:09 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 12:08:31 AM
According to the Mirror we're still interested in getting Christian Atsu on loan from the chavs. Mind you so are 15 other clubs. ::)
 Mirror  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-christian-atsu-transfer-target-3915330)

Lambert play with a winger? He even switched Albrighton to centre midfield!

I seem to remember calling wingers 'old fashioned' or something close to that. He is very forward thinking Mr Lambert. But not successful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 26, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
I wonder if Liverpool fans endlessly debate the fact that Carragher, Owen and Fowler supported Everton as kids? I just don't get it. Who gives a  . . . ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on July 26, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
What happened to our interest in Hoolahan ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: john e on July 26, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
What happened to our interest in Hoolahan ?
What happened to our interest in trying to compete in the PL?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: john e on July 26, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
What happened to our interest in Hoolahan ?
we got Joe Cole for nowt ... This the situation we're in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2014, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 26, 2014, 01:02:37 AM
It's all gone rather quiet. Not a solid link all week.

Links don't always mean that much. No-one had a clue about Richardson or Senderos really.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2014, 01:02:27 PM
Would still like Hoolahan. Surely we could get him for a really low fee ??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2014, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: ACVilla on July 26, 2014, 08:08:34 AM
At least we won't be getting Bendtner: http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/nicklas-bendtner-s-demands-for-a-move-to-eintracht-frankfurt-are-astonishing

A quick calculation of that means if they were to get  50 points, he'd pocket an extra £1.5 million.   Which is not nothing, but not barking mad by usual football standards.  Didn't Eintracht get relegated a few years ago too?  They got 36 last season. So they'd be doing well to get 50 points. 

Based on last seasons finish, he'd get just over £1 million as a bonus. 

Also, If that was his/ his agents opening suggestion, it's possible Eintracht might have been able to come back with a counter offer.  £20,000 per point based on last season would be £720k

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 26, 2014, 02:27:12 PM
I really didn't realise there would be bonuses based on the amount of points. Goals yes, but points? shit me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
That story with Bendtner is not quite accurate according to the press over here.

That deal was what was OFFERED by Frankfurt and rejected by Bendtner / his agent, thinking he could get a better deal over here.
A deal by the way, that would have made him the best paid player in their history by a good 50% if they'd hit 40 points according to the Danish press and significantly better than his last deal at Arsenal.

Nothing happened, so they we went back to Frankfurt, just as the cock socket posted this (http://instagram.com/p/ql2oJnA_sn/)  poolside picture on Instagram.

Frankfurt politely suggested that he fucked off and didn't come back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2014, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: john e on July 26, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
What happened to our interest in Hoolahan ?
What happened to our interest in trying to compete in the PL?

Martin O'Neill had it and fecked it up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2014, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on July 26, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: john e on July 26, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
What happened to our interest in Hoolahan ?
What happened to our interest in trying to compete in the PL?

Martin O'Neill had it and fecked it up.

And Lerner gave up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 26, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
This thread is pretty depressing but punctuated with the odd light moment of humour. A bit like marriage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brian Taylor on July 26, 2014, 06:07:25 PM
Watch Salih Ucan playing for Roma tonight. Ex-Fenerbache on loan.  They talk very highly of him, out here, as a future Turkish star..only 21.  Just in passing. The new Alf!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on July 26, 2014, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 26, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
This thread is pretty depressing a bit like marriage.
Fixed .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2014, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 26, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
This thread is pretty depressing a bit like marriage.
Fixed .

You're great at finding the clouds to go with the silver lining, is there anything you don't find depressing?  Does your real name happen to be Marvin?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
The Danish doctor prescribes 40mg citalopram and 30mg of cymbalta per day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2014, 08:24:34 PM
are you sure that is the right dosage?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curlytailavfc on July 26, 2014, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2014, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 26, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
This thread is pretty depressing a bit like marriage.
Fixed .
marriage is the biggest load of bollocks ever invented
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2014, 12:01:12 PM
you mean in a male same sex relationship kind of way? I don't think my wife has them, at least not the last time I looked.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 27, 2014, 12:26:27 PM
Can we cut out the sexist comments and get back to the football please ::)

Back on planet earth,  I have come round to the idea that we may not need investing in a new striker.  Starting the season with Bent (who seems sharper so far in pre-season and may have a reason to play for his place/future), plus Weimann and Gabby should be enough to cover before Benteke and Kozak return.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
We looked shockingly toothless in the closing stages of the season. We need a forward, at least on loan. Bent isn't the Bent of five years ago. Weimann and Agbonlahor are never going to be out and out goalscorers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 27, 2014, 12:43:26 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
We looked shockingly toothless in the closing stages of the season. We need a forward, at least on loan. Bent isn't the Bent of five years ago. Weimann and Agbonlahor are never going to be out and out goalscorers.

To me the lack of survice and creativity from midfield is a bigger factor for the lack of goals.   I know its only been friendlys against lesser teams, but the goals and fittness will help Bent's confiderence.   Personally I think we have enough to get by for the first couple of months at least.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 27, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 27, 2014, 12:43:26 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
We looked shockingly toothless in the closing stages of the season. We need a forward, at least on loan. Bent isn't the Bent of five years ago. Weimann and Agbonlahor are never going to be out and out goalscorers.

To me the lack of survice and creativity from midfield is a bigger factor for the lack of goals.   I know its only been friendlys against lesser teams, but the goals and fittness will help Bent's confiderence.   Personally I think we have enough to get by for the first couple of months at least.
I agree. We've got to prioritize the midfield and ideally we need two good players coming in. If we get that locked up with any change to spare then a new right back is probably slightly more of a priority than a front men. All being well we could see Kozak back by early Sept, and Benteke shouldn't be too much longer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2014, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
We looked shockingly toothless in the closing stages of the season. We need a forward, at least on loan. Bent isn't the Bent of five years ago. Weimann and Agbonlahor are never going to be out and out goalscorers.

Not if they're both pushed out wide.

Saying that, somebody should tell them both it is allowed to enter the box especially when the ball is coming in from the opposite side. What we need more than anything this window is a decent coach. Even a half decent one would be an improvement. I guess we'll have to wait until after a takeover and the new owner brings in his own people.

Until then, we'll going again, playing disjointed football and never reaching whatever potential we have from the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Lambert looking to 'push on' (from what?) with a couple more signings according to Birmingham Mail
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 27, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 27, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Lambert looking to 'push on' (from what?) with a couple more signings according to Birmingham Mail

Initial negotiations/discussions I imagine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 27, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
It's a bit early for 'I hope to get one or two in before the deadline' statements. They usually signal the end of trading and are trotted out in mid-August at the earliest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on July 27, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 27, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 27, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Lambert looking to 'push on' (from what?) with a couple more signings according to Birmingham Mail

Initial negotiations/discussions I imagine.

Full quote is self explanatory ..................................Godzvilla!

 "Speaking generally about the need to add further to his squad following the arrivals of Philippe Senderos, Joe Cole and Kieran Richardson, Lambert said: “I’m still looking to bring another couple of signings in when we return.

“We have good competition for places now but I want to push on again.”
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
Is "push on again" the new "we go again"?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2014, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 27, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
Is "push on again" the new "we go again"?

When we are trying to sign players in the close season we push on. When we lose a game during the season we go again. That is my understanding of it. I am just waiting for the 'We go again' T-shirts and scarves to be available from the club shop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 27, 2014, 04:39:33 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 27, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 27, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 27, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Lambert looking to 'push on' (from what?) with a couple more signings according to Birmingham Mail

Initial negotiations/discussions I imagine.


“We have good competition for places now but I want to push on again.”


You can remove the word good from that sentence and it would make more sense.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 27, 2014, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 27, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
Is "push on again" the new "we go again"?

When we are trying to sign players in the close season we push on. When we lose a game during the season we go again. That is my understanding of it. I am just waiting for the 'We go again' T-shirts and scarves to be available from the club shop.

"Push on again" / "We go again" half and half scarves
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ashkar on July 27, 2014, 05:49:38 PM
Its the midfield which needs to be strengthened. Ki and a loan signing of Coquelin would improve the midfield no end.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2014, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on July 27, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
It's a bit early for 'I hope to get one or two in before the deadline' statements. They usually signal the end of trading and are trotted out in mid-August at the earliest.

Innit.

We are ambitiously aiming to get a couple more signings in, the cream on top of the footballing pie which is our acquisition of three free transfers.

We're in dreamland.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Diaby on loan from Arsenal. With a clause that if he gets injured we can send him back. And spend the remainder of the transfer budget on Gary Medel from Cardiff.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Diaby on loan from Arsenal. With a clause that if he gets injured we can send him back. And spend the remainder of the transfer budget on Gary Medel from Cardiff.

Diaby is just the kind of player we need actually I think, a sitting midfielder. He is a tad injury prone though. Medel is not a bad shout either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Diaby on loan from Arsenal. With a clause that if he gets injured we can send him back. And spend the remainder of the transfer budget on Gary Medel from Cardiff.

Diaby, he would be on the pitch shorter than Jenas was :-) . As for Medel, think I heard on radio he is wanted by top Turkish team
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 27, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
If Diaby is finally fit after his long injury lay-off I reckon he'll be in Wenger's plans for Arsenal this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
Diaby is a very good player, but unfortunately very injury prone. If we got Ki, would we have a decent middle if we play 3-5-2? You have Delph and I have hope N'Zogbia may show he actually wants to play football after his lay off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2014, 09:46:07 PM
If we got ki I think that'd be it for central midfield. It would leave us short of a real physical presence in there but I'm not sure lambert wants one. And I think that compared to last season, adding ki, a fitter Gardner, cole, Richardson and n'zogbia as midfield options for sylla, Tonev and albrighton would be an upgrade
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 27, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Medel looked fairly useless against us at VP. Didn't Uruguay play him in the back 4 in Brazil? If the friendlies have been anything to go by, NZogbia hasn't really got any better for not playing last season.

We still need central midfielders. Badly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Think he played in a back 4 all the time, he certainly did v England in a friendly and did well. Steve, sorry to hear that about N'Zogbia as has ggot talent, seems to have an attitude problem though. What a waste of talent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 27, 2014, 10:47:07 PM
In my opinion there are a fair few players that would be bang on what we need which may be available, either on loan or to purchase. Admittedly they're all on the ambitious side but different to previous years where it was hard to name a suitable player.  Off the top of my head from the premier league:

Midfielder - Milner, Dembele, Ki, Javi Garcia, Rodwell, Lucas, Diaby, Medel, Diame, Mbia (kind of, having just left QPR).
Flair midfielder:  Kagawa, Holtby, Kovetic, Moses
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
Milner and Kagawa would be a dream.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on July 27, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Medel looked fairly useless against us at VP. Didn't Uruguay play him in the back 4 in Brazil?
Close. Chile play him in a back three.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on July 27, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Medel looked fairly useless against us at VP. Didn't Uruguay play him in the back 4 in Brazil?
Close. Chile play him in a back three.

Think he's rumoured to be on his way to Inter isn't he? I quite like him. Strikes me as a poor man's Mascherano.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: placeforparks on July 28, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Diaby on loan from Arsenal. With a clause that if he gets injured we can send him back.

diaby is on £50k a week, so that won't happen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: placeforparks on July 28, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Diaby on loan from Arsenal. With a clause that if he gets injured we can send him back.

diaby is on £50k a week, so that won't happen.
Habib Beye was on £40,000 per week but there's no way that Doncaster were paying more than a few grand of it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 12:39:36 PM
Yes please. Moses and Ki would make a massive difference to our squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2014, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 12:39:36 PM
Yes please. Moses and Ki would make a massive difference to our squad.

An on form Moses is just the kind of wide option we need.  Slight concern would be that he could turn out like Sinclair at the Albion last season though.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2014, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 12:39:36 PM
Yes please. Moses and Ki would make a massive difference to our squad.

An on form Moses is just the kind of wide option we need.  Slight concern would be that he could turn out like Sinclair at the Albion last season though.   
Is an on-form Moses any different really to an on-form N'Zogbia?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2014, 12:57:07 PM
Whenever I've seen Moses, I've not been that overly impressed. He's 'alright' but that's about it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve R on July 28, 2014, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on July 27, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Medel looked fairly useless against us at VP. Didn't Uruguay play him in the back 4 in Brazil?
Close. Chile play him in a back three.

To be fair, I did get the right continent. And the right World Cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 28, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
I think Moses is junk. Always thought that when he was at Palace and Wigan....Chelsea and Liverpool will tell you the same now. Performs once every 10 games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 28, 2014, 02:28:47 PM
I like Moses, i think he'll offer more than Gabby over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
To be fair he had a very good season or two at palace before moving on. The step up to Chelsea/Liverpool is a lot more difficult as the competition for places is harder as you are against better players. Stands to reason. I'm not saying that he will develop into a top player but neither do I think he's this season's Scott Sinclair who after all only did it for Plymouth and was very up and down at Swansea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 28, 2014, 02:36:00 PM
Moses isn't as good as N'Zog.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
Charles N'Zogbia


2004–2009
Newcastle United 118 (9)

2009–2011
Wigan Athletic 83 (15)

2011–
Aston Villa  51 (5)

Total:  252 (29)

Victor Moses


Years
Team Apps† (Gls)†

2007–2010
Crystal Palace 58 (11)

2010–2012
Wigan Athletic 74 (8)

2012–
Chelsea 23 (1)

2013–2014
→ Liverpool (loan)  19(1)

Total: 174 (21)

Given that a lot more of Moses's appearances have been on loan and carrying Palace I reckon the stats don't back you up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Those stats don't tell us anything. A wingers job is not just about scoring goals, and how does it matter about loan appearances.

IMO Moses and Zog are both inconsistent as fuck, lazy and not worth the wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
What they do yell us however is that they do not back up the statement "Moses is not as good as N'Zog".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Those stats don't tell us anything. A wingers job is not just about scoring goals, and how does it matter about loan appearances.

And N'Zogbia spent much of his time at Newcastle playing as a full back in any case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 02:58:30 PM
Also, over half of Moses' goals came in the Championship.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 28, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
To be fair he had a very good season or two at palace before moving on. The step up to Chelsea/Liverpool is a lot more difficult as the competition for places is harder as you are against better players. Stands to reason. I'm not saying that he will develop into a top player but neither do I think he's this season's Scott Sinclair who after all only did it for Plymouth and was very up and down at Swansea.

Sinclair got 28 in 82 for Swansea, which is a fantastic record for a winger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 28, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
To be fair he had a very good season or two at palace before moving on. The step up to Chelsea/Liverpool is a lot more difficult as the competition for places is harder as you are against better players. Stands to reason. I'm not saying that he will develop into a top player but neither do I think he's this season's Scott Sinclair who after all only did it for Plymouth and was very up and down at Swansea.

Sinclair got 28 in 82 for Swansea, which is a fantastic record for a winger.

What a waste, sitting on Man City's bench then going to Albion and failing to get into their shit team very often.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 28, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
To be fair he had a very good season or two at palace before moving on. The step up to Chelsea/Liverpool is a lot more difficult as the competition for places is harder as you are against better players. Stands to reason. I'm not saying that he will develop into a top player but neither do I think he's this season's Scott Sinclair who after all only did it for Plymouth and was very up and down at Swansea.

Sinclair got 28 in 82 for Swansea, which is a fantastic record for a winger.

Yeah and then once again he decided that he'd rather sit on the bench then play first team football. Having never gotten near the first team at Chelsea he went on loan everywhere and then finally got his chance properly at Swansea. Then he chose to go to Man City where he must have known that he would never play in their first team.

He only has himself to blame for his mediocre career.

A bit like all those midfielders that sign for Spurzz and then wonder why they aren't getting in the first team ahead of their other 58 midfielders.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Those stats don't tell us anything. A wingers job is not just about scoring goals, and how does it matter about loan appearances.

And N'Zogbia spent much of his time at Newcastle playing as a full back in any case.

Not really. He certainly did fill in there but spent most of his time playing left wing/left-mid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Those stats don't tell us anything. A wingers job is not just about scoring goals, and how does it matter about loan appearances.

And N'Zogbia spent much of his time at Newcastle playing as a full back in any case.

Not really. He certainly did fill in there but spent most of his time playing left wing/left-mid.

Allardyce played him pretty much only at left back in his time there - half a season or so.

Not that it really makes much of a difference re either of the players and which is best, but I don't think appearances and goals scored as statistics alone say much in this case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Well they do as they back me up. if they didn't I wouldn't have referred to them, posted them, and would have said that N'Zogbia played for four years as a full-back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: stuart r on July 28, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2014, 03:03:31 PM

Yeah and then once again he decided that he'd rather sit on the bench then play first team football. Having never gotten near the first team at Chelsea he went on loan everywhere and then finally got his chance properly at Swansea. Then he chose to go to Man City where he must have known that he would never play in their first team.

He only has himself to blame for his mediocre career.

A bit like all those midfielders that sign for Spurzz and then wonder why they aren't getting in the first team ahead of their other 58 midfielders.

Dunno if its fair to say he chose to sit on the bench. I always assume that these players that have a good season and then sign for a showbiz team probably have the self belief to think are good enough for that level. They've usually had a lot of good press leading up to the move and when a club stumps up millions for them it must instill some confidence in their chances of first team football. That doesn't mean they are good enough of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Well they do as they back me up. if they didn't I wouldn't have referred to them, posted them, and would have said that N'Zogbia played for four years as a full-back.

No they don't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: IamLegend on July 28, 2014, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Well they do as they back me up. if they didn't I wouldn't have referred to them, posted them, and would have said that N'Zogbia played for four years as a full-back.

No they don't.

yes they do

no they don't

yes they do


Came down heads. Yes they do.

Yadda yadda yadda.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
Regardless of stats I'd rather have an on-form Moses in the side than an on-form N'Zogbia which, given his pre-season from thus far, is some way off.

They've both had stuttering careers thus far, but when Moses was playing regularly at Wigan he was a real handful, whereas I've always regarded N'Zogbia to be inconsistent, even when fit and playing regularly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 28, 2014, 03:41:33 PM
The Villa once signed God....and now it's Moses...

:)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: stuart r on July 28, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2014, 03:03:31 PM

Yeah and then once again he decided that he'd rather sit on the bench then play first team football. Having never gotten near the first team at Chelsea he went on loan everywhere and then finally got his chance properly at Swansea. Then he chose to go to Man City where he must have known that he would never play in their first team.

He only has himself to blame for his mediocre career.

A bit like all those midfielders that sign for Spurzz and then wonder why they aren't getting in the first team ahead of their other 58 midfielders.

Dunno if its fair to say he chose to sit on the bench. I always assume that these players that have a good season and then sign for a showbiz team probably have the self belief to think are good enough for that level. They've usually had a lot of good press leading up to the move and when a club stumps up millions for them it must instill some confidence in their chances of first team football. That doesn't mean they are good enough of course.
I completely agree with you on this point, but I don't think it's really applicable in Sinclair's case.

As I think I've mentioned a couple of times before, he's the friend-of-a-friend (he grew up in Bath and they played in the same youth teams) and he really doesn't mind. He isn't *that* bothered about football and is quite happy for a team to pay him lots of money for plenty of shopping and Xbox time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 28, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: stuart r on July 28, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2014, 03:03:31 PM

Yeah and then once again he decided that he'd rather sit on the bench then play first team football. Having never gotten near the first team at Chelsea he went on loan everywhere and then finally got his chance properly at Swansea. Then he chose to go to Man City where he must have known that he would never play in their first team.

He only has himself to blame for his mediocre career.

A bit like all those midfielders that sign for Spurzz and then wonder why they aren't getting in the first team ahead of their other 58 midfielders.

Dunno if its fair to say he chose to sit on the bench. I always assume that these players that have a good season and then sign for a showbiz team probably have the self belief to think are good enough for that level. They've usually had a lot of good press leading up to the move and when a club stumps up millions for them it must instill some confidence in their chances of first team football. That doesn't mean they are good enough of course.
I completely agree with you on this point, but I don't think it's really applicable in Sinclair's case.

As I think I've mentioned a couple of times before, he's the friend-of-a-friend (he grew up in Bath and they played in the same youth teams) and he really doesn't mind. He isn't *that* bothered about football and is quite happy for a team to pay him lots of money for plenty of shopping and Xbox time.

We've signed Moses?  Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.

Wants to stay at Liverpool.

Apparently, he doesn't want to depart the reds, see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 28, 2014, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.

Wants to stay at Liverpool.

Apparently, he doesn't want to depart the reds, see.

All right, no need to get excited about it. Keep your Aaron.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2014, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.

Wants to stay at Liverpool.

Apparently, he doesn't want to depart the reds, see.

There won't be a mass exodus then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2014, 04:28:13 PM
A certain Gizeh is bound to buy Moses.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on July 28, 2014, 04:39:16 PM
What a load of bull. Rushes to get coat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2014, 04:45:56 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.

I have to say after Sidwell I'm wary of signing these players who spent about 2 years in semi retirement at top 4 clubs.

They seem to lose hunger and motivation from understandbly getting incredibly well paid to not do a lot and the next club that picks them up then suffers, I think Scott Sinclair and Adam Johnson are other examples of this.

I'm willing to give N'zogbia another go this year purely because we lack so much creativity and pace from central and wide in the midfield area.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 04:54:32 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2014, 04:45:56 PM
I have to say after Sidwell I'm wary of signing these players who spent about 2 years in semi retirement at top 4 clubs.

Jack Rodwell's another example of this. The fact that the rich clubs are allowed to stock-pile players as they wish really is a problem,, not just for the competitiveness of the league, but for the individual careers of some of the young players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2014, 05:10:04 PM
Excellent point Russell. They are stockpiled by the richest clubs and it is to the players' detriment both personally and professionally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
You would hope though that it might encourage some players to think twice before signing for clubs where they have an inkling that they might be making up the squad numbers, even if the money is good. Okore turned down Chelsea for that reason apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
You would hope though that it might encourage some players to think twice before signing for clubs where they have an inkling that they might be making up the squad numbers, even if the money is good. Okore turned down Chelsea for that reason apparently.

It's a real shame that more don't do likewise. It's kind of understandable for a player like Milner who was at the point of his career that opting to move and play about half as many games, but doing so in a team competing for the league and in europe made sense. For the really young players (a la Rodwell) I think it's just either being advised badly (by agents wanted their cut of a transfer fee) or blind faith in their own ability.

Take Callum Chambers moving to Arsenal, just a couple of weeks after they've signed Debuchy. Does he really think that'll improve him more than staying at Southampton and getting more regular game time?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on July 28, 2014, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
You would hope though that it might encourage some players to think twice before signing for clubs where they have an inkling that they might be making up the squad numbers, even if the money is good. Okore turned down Chelsea for that reason apparently.

Okore must be part of a very slim percentage, I think. I don't really know what to make of this Chambers lad going to Arsenal: on the one hand, he seems likely to be wasting a year or so while he gets used to a big club, but Wenger does seem to be a manager who doesn't hesitate to throw youth in if he feels they're ready. On balance, I don't begrudge a young player going to a Champions League side if that side has a record for trusting in talent. I wouldn't be impressed if they end up at Chelsea or Manchester City, though, who I feel do exactly as you say, and stockpile younger players to stop opponents benefitting from new talent.

What I've never grasped is players going to a club knowing they'll only ever be a squad player because they may get a chance to play in the Champions League or whatever. Yes, you may play in those premier competitions. But playing in a 4-0 hammering of FC Whippingboy is a lot different to being in the squad for the final. To my mind, better to be a legend at one club than an also-ran for two or three giant ones.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2014, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.

I wonder if he'd have a list of 10 pre-requisites before signing?

I also doubt he's the one to lead us out of the wilderness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
or into the promised land, but that was another geezer, Desmond Dekker, or something like that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2014, 04:45:56 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 28, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Victor Moses linked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10995378/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-wants-to-sign-Chelsea-winger-Victor-Moses-on-loan-for-the-season.html

Seems we have gone back the MOM school of transfers , only prem experience players being looked at it seems.

Moses will never happen. Too many hurdles in the way of the deal.

I have to say after Sidwell I'm wary of signing these players who spent about 2 years in semi retirement at top 4 clubs.

They seem to lose hunger and motivation from understandbly getting incredibly well paid to not do a lot and the next club that picks them up then suffers, I think Scott Sinclair and Adam Johnson are other examples of this.

I'm willing to give N'zogbia another go this year purely because we lack so much creativity and pace from central and wide in the midfield area.

Wary of Victor Moses because of a wasted year at Liverpool (he had a decent first season under Benitez at Chelsea) but willing to give Nzogbia another go after at least two years of nothing at a bottom six club  :o

Victor Moses was awful at Liverpool but is one of the players I wanted us to target above all this summer. Delighted if he can come in and get his career back on track with us. Only 23 and provided he is willing to work hard will be a big improvement on the likes of Weimann, Nzogbia, Tonev and Albrighton.

Ashley Young in comparison is older, more injury prone and his career has stalled since flopping at Euro 2012. Moses is a better bet for us than even Young would be imo
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 07:18:33 PM
Moses has done the square root of fuck all since he left Palace. I'd take Young and N'Zogbia over him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Wary of Victor Moses because of a wasted year at Liverpool (he had a decent first season under Benitez at Chelsea) but willing to give Nzogbia another go after at least two years of nothing at a bottom six club  :o
What would you have expected of N'Zogbia last year?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2014, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 07:18:33 PM
Moses has done the square root of fuck all since he left Palace. I'd take Young and N'Zogbia over him.

Not sure our groundsman would agree. There were corners of our pitch last season he never had to touch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2014, 07:35:44 PM
I think we should be gracious and let Southampton have Moses for a crazy fee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2014, 07:37:32 PM
Moses is shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2014, 07:47:01 PM
Moses has looked good at times in my opinion but you do wonder whether he's lost the hunger.
I think a loan move is the correct way to hedge our bets, maybe/hopefully with an agreed fee at the end if he cuts the mustard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 28, 2014, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 07:18:33 PM
Moses has done the square root of fuck all since he left Palace. I'd take Young and N'Zogbia over him.

Not sure our groundsman would agree. There were corners of our pitch last season he never had to touch.

Yeah, on a positive note the lawnmowers are unlikely to overrun the mileage on the lease. Maybe playing without wingers was actually a cost cutting measure in itself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on July 28, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 07:18:33 PM
Moses has done the square root of fuck all since he left Palace. I'd take Young and N'Zogbia over him.

Quote
Kop-Ice ‏@kopice86 6h

Aston Villa have already signed P.Sanderos[SIC] & Joe"hand on hips"Cole and are now in for Victor Moses.. What's Paul Lambert smoking? #drugtest
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Wary of Victor Moses because of a wasted year at Liverpool (he had a decent first season under Benitez at Chelsea) but willing to give Nzogbia another go after at least two years of nothing at a bottom six club  :o
What would you have expected of N'Zogbia last year?

zero, Lambert had selected him part of the first team bomb disposal unit before injury intervened
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2014, 08:39:23 PM
Did he though. Zog got injured training while on holiday before they even came back for pre season.

Moses is a good player, and would be welcome IMO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Wary of Victor Moses because of a wasted year at Liverpool (he had a decent first season under Benitez at Chelsea) but willing to give Nzogbia another go after at least two years of nothing at a bottom six club  :o
What would you have expected of N'Zogbia last year?

zero, Lambert had selected him part of the first team bomb disposal unit before injury intervened

there is no evidence at all to suggest that he was part of that group.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Wary of Victor Moses because of a wasted year at Liverpool (he had a decent first season under Benitez at Chelsea) but willing to give Nzogbia another go after at least two years of nothing at a bottom six club  :o
What would you have expected of N'Zogbia last year?

zero, Lambert had selected him part of the first team bomb disposal unit before injury intervened

there is no evidence at all to suggest that he was part of that group.

Didn't the injury occur after the squad numbers had been announced, i.e. the squad numbers where Nzog was not allocated a number?  That's how I remember it, although that doesn't seem right/logical if this season is typical as I'm pretty sure Nzog was injured before pre-season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
This Moses story, is it Gospel?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2014, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
This Moses story, is it Gospel?

Well, I'm not putting much faith in it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
This Moses story, is it Gospel?

Written in stone mate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 28, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 07:18:33 PM
Moses has done the square root of fuck all since he left Palace. I'd take Young and N'Zogbia over him.

His outstanding performances for Wigan were a bit more than the square root of fuck all. Chelsea bought him on the back of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2014, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Wary of Victor Moses because of a wasted year at Liverpool (he had a decent first season under Benitez at Chelsea) but willing to give Nzogbia another go after at least two years of nothing at a bottom six club  :o
What would you have expected of N'Zogbia last year?

zero, Lambert had selected him part of the first team bomb disposal unit before injury intervened

there is no evidence at all to suggest that he was part of that group.

Didn't the injury occur after the squad numbers had been announced, i.e. the squad numbers where Nzog was not allocated a number?  That's how I remember it, although that doesn't seem right/logical if this season is typical as I'm pretty sure Nzog was injured before pre-season.

no, it happened in the summer before pre-season training as he was working out in Florida. If you look at the OS even now even the new players don't have squad numbers so it wasn't as if he got his number and then it happened. I think it was a bit of myth that just grew because he was one of the higher wage players that hadn't really done it, and part of the McLeish era.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 09:18:19 PM
I think it was a bit of myth that just grew because he was one of the higher wage players that hadn't really done it, and part of the McLeish era.

Yes, but at the same time, that was what got the other members of the bomb squad in there, and that was mostly about wages - Lambert even said as much with regard to Hutton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
But why relegate him to number 40 or whatever it was along with all the others? Bit of a hard punishment for getting an injury isn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 28, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Zogbia got dropped at the tail end of the previous season. I don't think he featured for the last couple of months. I think Lambo, at that point figured that the shape of the side was better without Zogbia in. That's why I think he'd have undoubtedly been bombed last season had it not been for his injury.

He can still be a good player for us though. I also wouldn't be adverse to having Moses in to push N'Zog.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2014, 09:31:27 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 28, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Zogbia got dropped at the tail end of the previous season. I don't think he featured for the last couple of months.
Didn't he score the goal that virtually kept us against Fulham in the middle of April?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
Charlie's last game was he first half of the defeat at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2014, 09:53:28 PM
Yeah he didn't start Sunderland at home and understandbly we kept the same team for the last 3 games after that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 10:01:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 09:18:19 PM
I think it was a bit of myth that just grew because he was one of the higher wage players that hadn't really done it, and part of the McLeish era.

Yes, but at the same time, that was what got the other members of the bomb squad in there, and that was mostly about wages - Lambert even said as much with regard to Hutton.

sure, but while you can make the assumption he might have ended up on that pile, it still remains an assumption and no more than that. As for Hutton, it probably didn't help his cause that he was completely gash and a liability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 10:05:06 PM
Wasn't there also an incident on Instagram last season where N'Zogbia told a fan who criticises him being on holiday that he "shouldn't comment as he doesn't know what's going on at the club" or something along those lines...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 28, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
This Moses story, is it Gospel?

Written in stone mate.
Read it on a tablet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 10:01:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 09:18:19 PM
I think it was a bit of myth that just grew because he was one of the higher wage players that hadn't really done it, and part of the McLeish era.

Yes, but at the same time, that was what got the other members of the bomb squad in there, and that was mostly about wages - Lambert even said as much with regard to Hutton.

sure, but while you can make the assumption he might have ended up on that pile, it still remains an assumption and no more than that. As for Hutton, it probably didn't help his cause that he was completely gash and a liability.

Apart from the extra whiff of smoke from his "if they'd let me train" comment.

I am sure Hutton being shit didn't help (although here's hoping he's stopped being shit now) but Lambert specifically said the issue with Hutton was his wages.

The whole bomb squad thing - regardless of where CNZ is one of them or not - was a great example of some of the utterly stupid decisions our leaders have made in recent years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 11:21:02 PM
but the "let me train" thing was somewhat irrelevant in that he couldn't have played as it was behind the PL registration window, and it is conceivable that it could have been precautionary.

But on a wider point, yes, the whole "bomb squad" thing was completely stupid
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2014, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 28, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
Charlie's last game was he first half of the defeat at Old Trafford.

Yep, where he was totally inept and looked disinterested.  I can't really understand why hopes are being held for him, as apart from the odd flash of quality, he hasn't really produced anything of note in his time at the club. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

What the fuck did Everton want Lukaku and Barry for?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2014, 11:39:31 PM
I like how Moses is in that advert with rooney, ronaldo and messi, who all have their name on their backs, yet moses has fuck all. Like he could be anyone, they should have saved their dollar and just got a random.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 06:21:42 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

What the fuck did Everton want Lukaku and Barry for?
If Moses had half the quality of either of those we'd be on to a winner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 29, 2014, 07:37:53 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2014, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 28, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
Charlie's last game was he first half of the defeat at Old Trafford.

Yep, where he was totally inept and looked disinterested.  I can't really understand why hopes are being held for him, as apart from the odd flash of quality, he hasn't really produced anything of note in his time at the club. 
Hear, hear
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2014, 07:41:48 AM
Yes. N'zogbia did nothing in that season. Apart from score a vital goal v Fulham. And west ham. And help set up the winner v QPR. And two goals v west brom.

He's been a massive disappointment. But he's contributed a lot more than albrighton or Tonev did so surely it's an improvement on last season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 07:47:20 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2014, 07:41:48 AM
Yes. N'zogbia did nothing in that season. Apart from score a vital goal v Fulham. And west ham. And help set up the winner v QPR. And two goals v west brom.

He's been a massive disappointment. But he's contributed a lot more than albrighton or Tonev did so surely it's an improvement on last season?
I've got a feeling CNZ playing on the wing, would be a better option than Agbonlahor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on July 29, 2014, 08:26:38 AM
As stated previously, N'zogbia is one of those players that the longer he stays of the pitch, the better he becomes, has hardly set the world on fire in the pre-season games so far, yes he scored a free kick, but the concensus was the wall was crap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
Let Keano work with Charles.....he might just get the best out of him as he's got great natural ability. I wouldn't draw too much from these pre-season games - let's not forget that was a very serious injury to overcome.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 29, 2014, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 07:47:20 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2014, 07:41:48 AM
Yes. N'zogbia did nothing in that season. Apart from score a vital goal v Fulham. And west ham. And help set up the winner v QPR. And two goals v west brom.

He's been a massive disappointment. But he's contributed a lot more than albrighton or Tonev did so surely it's an improvement on last season?
I've got a feeling CNZ playing on the wing, would be a better option than Agbonlahor.

He did contribute at the end of Lambo's first season, but we looked even better and more balanced when Sylla took his place for the final few games.  I think he can play a part this year as long as we have other options so we're not relying on him too much.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:19:44 AM
A bit of pace in the midfield isn't going to hurt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 29, 2014, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:19:44 AM
A bit of pace in the midfield isn't going to hurt.

Agreed. And Moses is a different option to the players we currently have. Without Albrighton there's nobody who really runs at players with the ball at their feet and commits defenders into making challenges. I think he'd be a decent addition.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2014, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2014, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 28, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
Charlie's last game was he first half of the defeat at Old Trafford.

Yep, where he was totally inept and looked disinterested.  I can't really understand why hopes are being held for him, as apart from the odd flash of quality, he hasn't really produced anything of note in his time at the club. 

Because we're desperately short of creativity and pace in the midfield area, Delph can't do it all by himself.

CNZ will be a good option for us next year particularly when Benteke is back fit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
I think so too. He's very inconsistent, but he can beat a man and has pace to stretch sides. He even has the odd goal in him and I think give us more balance than having Gabby on the left.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
Plus it will mean Weimann hopefully not starting 30 + games again next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2014, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
I think so too. He's very inconsistent, but he can beat a man and has pace to stretch sides. He even has the odd goal in him and I think give us more balance than having Gabby on the left.

He deserves another crack at it. I just wished he'd look up more though, he tends to run into blind alley's more often than not, he can be very frustrating to watch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 29, 2014, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
I think so too. He's very inconsistent, but he can beat a man and has pace to stretch sides. He even has the odd goal in him and I think give us more balance than having Gabby on the left.

He deserves another crack at it. I just wished he'd look up more though, he tends to run into blind alley's more often than not, he can be very frustrating to watch.

I agree but then Tonev shooting from 50 yards every 5 minutes last season made N'zogbia look a football genius.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2014, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2014, 09:54:54 AM

I agree but then Tonev shooting from 50 yards every 5 minutes last season made N'zogbia look a football genius.

Zog's head-down runs to the corner or Tonev's Jonny Wilkinson impressions; its a tough call
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on July 28, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
But why relegate him to number 40 or whatever it was along with all the others? Bit of a hard punishment for getting an injury isn't it?

Do numbers really mean a lot these days anyway? It used to be 1-11 now its 1-900
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 29, 2014, 11:03:22 AM
If he was actually played in his best position, I think he might impress us all more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 29, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Moses is the sort of player that during the MON days when we were trying to take the next step up to becoming a top four club (Sidwell anyone?) would have been a poor signging, however in our current position then I think unlike most of our recent buys I think he would improve us.   He was good at Wigan, and when used as a sub has done the odd job at Chelsea.   He hasn't really been given a chance at Liverpool, and isn't good enough to break into their team anyway.  He should add a few goals to our midfield and has a decent bust of pace.  I would go for this one.

COZ has been poor so far for us, but I have seen enough from him in the past to suggest that he could still be a useful player to have around.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2014, 11:17:28 AM
Tonev doing a Jonny Wilkinson. Love it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on July 29, 2014, 11:30:54 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

To lead us out of the wilderness?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 29, 2014, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 29, 2014, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
I think so too. He's very inconsistent, but he can beat a man and has pace to stretch sides. He even has the odd goal in him and I think give us more balance than having Gabby on the left.

He deserves another crack at it. I just wished he'd look up more though, he tends to run into blind alley's more often than not, he can be very frustrating to watch.
"deserves"?
I think it's more a case that he needs to be played so we can move him on ...
Sorry if that sounds harsh - and in the debate about who the worst wide player is he probably ain't the worst - but I just think in the dynamic game that is played these days he is too lethargic and easily discouraged.
But, I'd be delighted if he comes good; we need someone to lead us out of the wilderness (assuming Moses ain't joining us).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 29, 2014, 01:12:50 PM
After our new signings and welcoming the bomb squad back into the fold we definitely have a stronger squad now than in the past two seasons. The worry of course is that we might have three left backs who are all not good enough, three right backs who are all not good enough and three centre halves who are not good enough. But you would hope that at least one player in each position can do enough to deserve to start most games. At least we will not be in the same situation as the last couple of years where players who were totally out of form and had lost all confidence were still being picked due to the lack of alternatives.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 29, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.

I hope he enjoys his time at Everton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2014, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 29, 2014, 01:12:50 PM
After our new signings and welcoming the bomb squad back into the fold we definitely have a stronger squad now than in the past two seasons. The worry of course is that we might have three left backs who are all not good enough, three right backs who are all not good enough and three centre halves who are not good enough. But you would hope that at least one player in each position can do enough to deserve to start most games. At least we will not be in the same situation as the last couple of years where players who were totally out of form and had lost all confidence were still being picked due to the lack of alternatives.

My concern is that we are still only a few injuries away from having to rely on the same players who have struggled over the past few seasons. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2014, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.

Did you sneeze?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.

Bless you
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 29, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.

Bless you


I panicked then and thought the Coventry owners wanted buy us or Everton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2014, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.

Perhaps lamptey can put a word in. I imagine the Ghanaian Pele is very influential.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on July 29, 2014, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
SSN are reporting Atsu has been given permission to speak to us and Everton.

Permanent or loan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 29, 2014, 01:55:48 PM
Loan, judging by the news stories i saw after googling the player in question.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

What the fuck did Everton want Lukaku and Barry for?

At least they were good, and probably in positions where they needed players. We might as well play Gabby, Cole or NZogbia in that kind of role first. Your example has no relevance to the point I'm making.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on July 29, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
Id be happy if we got Moses and Ki before the season starts. That would improve us no end. I'm not sure why Moses is not rated, he's a good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 29, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

What the fuck did Everton want Lukaku and Barry for?

At least they were good, and probably in positions where they needed players. We might as well play Gabby, Cole or NZogbia in that kind of role first. Your example has no relevance to the point I'm making.

Except as a direct counter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on July 29, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

What the fuck did Everton want Lukaku and Barry for?

At least they were good, and probably in positions where they needed players. We might as well play Gabby, Cole or NZogbia in that kind of role first. Your example has no relevance to the point I'm making.
Gabby has proven himself to be incapable of playing in that position with any degree of consistency, or perhaps more accurately, talent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2014, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 29, 2014, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 29, 2014, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
I think so too. He's very inconsistent, but he can beat a man and has pace to stretch sides. He even has the odd goal in him and I think give us more balance than having Gabby on the left.

He deserves another crack at it. I just wished he'd look up more though, he tends to run into blind alley's more often than not, he can be very frustrating to watch.
"deserves"?
I think it's more a case that he needs to be played so we can move him on ...
Sorry if that sounds harsh - and in the debate about who the worst wide player is he probably ain't the worst - but I just think in the dynamic game that is played these days he is too lethargic and easily discouraged.
But, I'd be delighted if he comes good; we need someone to lead us out of the wilderness (assuming Moses ain't joining us).

I meant 'deserves' because he was out for all of last season. He hasn't done a great deal for me so far either so he'll have to impress this time round.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 29, 2014, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 29, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2014, 11:31:36 PM
What the fuck would we want Moses for? I suppose to pick him for a year ahead of our own players. Great.

What the fuck did Everton want Lukaku and Barry for?

At least they were good, and probably in positions where they needed players. We might as well play Gabby, Cole or NZogbia in that kind of role first. Your example has no relevance to the point I'm making.
Gabby has proven himself to be incapable of playing in that position with any degree of consistency, or perhaps more accurately, talent.

And Cole's been brought in to play centrally.  N'Zog can play one side but you need someone on the other flank.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 29, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Gabby has proven himself to be incapable of playing in that position with any degree of consistency, or perhaps more accurately, talent.
this is indeed true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
We should sign a wide player for the right wing. I'm sick of seeing Agbonlahor and Weimann playing badly wide.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2014, 02:56:46 PM
Has Atsu even been on the H&V radar? Not seen his name being discussed before.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on July 29, 2014, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
We should sign a wide player for the right wing. I'm sick of seeing Agbonlahor and Weimann playing badly wide.

Moses - Benteke - N'Zogbia
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 29, 2014, 03:07:04 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
We should sign a wide player for the right wing. I'm sick of seeing Agbonlahor and Weimann playing badly wide.

Thankfully I don't think we'll see this often next season, prior to Kozak and Benteke returning we'll either line up with them up top together or one of them with Bent, the other option being N'Zog and Moses/Atsu on the flanks and one of Bent/Gabby/Weimann through the middle.  Either way we could have a flat 3 in midfield behind, or a 2 with Cole advanced, or with the first option a midfield 4.  When Kozak and Benteke return I don't see Gabby or Weimann getting a lot of game time even if Bent doesn't start well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 29, 2014, 02:56:46 PM
Has Atsu even been on the H&V radar? Not seen his name being discussed before.

Vaguely recognise him, probably from playing for Ghana. Don't think he played against us in the NextGen Final a few years back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Chelsea bought him for a few million last summer from Portugal, loaned him out last year.

Played alright for Ghana over the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on July 29, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Newspaper reports that West Ham and QPR are in for Valbuena. I must admit that I hadn't heard of him too much prior to the WC, but I thought he was excellent. A real playmaker who wants to get on the ball, dictate and make things happen.

Salary demands and London location would probably be the biggest issue, but I'd be disappointed if he went to one of the above and we weren't seriously interested. He's 29 but would give us a good three years of real quality and dare I say it could play that Merson role...

A little bit surprised that no one else would be in for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Valbuena always looks like Marseille's best player when I watch them, he is only 4'3" tall though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on July 29, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
Ronaldinho anyone?

http://www.villatalk.com/index.php/topic/11030-summer-speculation-2014/page-168
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on July 29, 2014, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Valbuena always looks like Marseille's best player when I watch them, he is only 4'3" tall though.

Let's rule Messi, Xavi and Iniesta out as well then... ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: JPartington on July 29, 2014, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Valbuena always looks like Marseille's best player when I watch them, he is only 4'3" tall though.

Let's rule Messi, Xavi and Iniesta out as well then... ;)

We've already let the Scottish Xavi (Bannan) go  :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2014, 04:24:35 PM
Oh and yes to Ronaldinho, he'd be exciting.

I imagine he'll be rushing to sign for us, he's probably heard about our balti pies
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on July 29, 2014, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN link=topic=51561.msg2644990#msg2644990 date=
[/quote

We've already let the Scottish Xavi (Bannan) go  :)

Ah, of course. We've also let the Peruvian Beckham and the English Viera slip through our fingers... Any more?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 29, 2014, 04:37:39 PM
Quote from: JPartington on July 29, 2014, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN link=topic=51561.msg2644990#msg2644990 date=
[/quote

We've already let the Scottish Xavi (Bannan) go  :)

Ah, of course. We've also let the Peruvian Beckham and the English Viera slip through our fingers... Any more?

As was alluded to earlier, the Bulgarian Johnny Wilkinson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 29, 2014, 04:45:11 PM
Valbuena is an excellent player and should be way above West Ham or QPR's level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: Rolta on July 29, 2014, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
We should sign a wide player for the right wing. I'm sick of seeing Agbonlahor and Weimann playing badly wide.

Moses - Benteke - N'Zogbia

Are we going to play that way though? Recent thoughts on here suggested 3 centre backs and 2 wing backs or maybe a normal 4-4-2. Other players that can play in wide positions that we already have would be Bacuna and Richardson. If we do insist on carrying on with that system that has failed us for the last two seasons, we do indeed need an outright winger but i'd prefer ut to be someone on a contract at Aston Villa rather than training a Chelsea reserve. I've had enough of that shit in recent seasons thanks very much.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 29, 2014, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: Rolta on July 29, 2014, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
We should sign a wide player for the right wing. I'm sick of seeing Agbonlahor and Weimann playing badly wide.

Moses - Benteke - N'Zogbia

Are we going to play that way though? Recent thoughts on here suggested 3 centre backs and 2 wing backs or maybe a normal 4-4-2. Other players that can play in wide positions that we already have would be Bacuna and Richardson. If we do insist on carrying on with that system that has failed us for the last two seasons, we do indeed need an outright winger but i'd prefer ut to be someone on a contract at Aston Villa rather than training a Chelsea reserve. I've had enough of that shit in recent seasons thanks very much.


343 maybe?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 11:18:32 PM
I don't think we'll know until the season starts but barring a sugar daddy takeover i'm happy with what we have once everyone is fit, apart from a holding midfielder. We certainly don't need to loan any attacking players IMO, especially a mediocre one from 'the big 4'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 29, 2014, 11:31:40 PM
Ye I agree Clark. Still think Albrighton was our best provider to the strikers. Would like to see Lowton back on form as he can put in a good ball .....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 12:01:02 AM
If I wake up one day and we've signed Ronaldinho I'll start worrying that someone's spiking my drinks with hallucinogenics. It would be fantastic to have a player of that calibre here, and he's still quality too. He's been very good since returning to Brazil.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 29, 2014, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: Rolta on July 29, 2014, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
We should sign a wide player for the right wing. I'm sick of seeing Agbonlahor and Weimann playing badly wide.

Moses - Benteke - N'Zogbia

Are we going to play that way though? Recent thoughts on here suggested 3 centre backs and 2 wing backs or maybe a normal 4-4-2. Other players that can play in wide positions that we already have would be Bacuna and Richardson. If we do insist on carrying on with that system that has failed us for the last two seasons, we do indeed need an outright winger but i'd prefer ut to be someone on a contract at Aston Villa rather than training a Chelsea reserve. I've had enough of that shit in recent seasons thanks very much.


343 maybe?
It did appear in, I think the Dallas match, second half that Lambo tried out a 4-3-3, but with a wider front line than the usual two inside forwards that we'd have in Gab and Weimann flanking Tekkers. He seemed to go with Richardson and Zogbia on each touchline. A little drifting from Zog, but Rico generally got a bit of chalk on his boots.
I do think we need to give it some width in some games and its something Lambo has always been reluctant to do with us. Hopefully he decides it's an option. Richardson certainly looked comfortable playing left wing and attacking.
Zogbia has always preferred playing wide right so he can cut in, and thus far for us hasn't been given the chance in the Prem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Diablo on July 30, 2014, 12:40:24 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ron-vlaar-transfer-aston-villas-3933113

Mirror saying...Ron Vlaar will hold talks with Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert this weekend amid interest from Southampton (and every other former Dutch manager he's had).

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 30, 2014, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 30, 2014, 12:40:24 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ron-vlaar-transfer-aston-villas-3933113

Mirror saying...Ron Vlaar will hold talks with Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert this weekend amid interest from Southampton (and every other former Dutch manager he's had).

Disappointed they were not described as "showdown talks!" or at least a "Villa crisis!" dropped in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on July 30, 2014, 05:41:00 AM
Yes, ciggies, the usual James Nursey interpretation of us getting two seasons wear and tear out of an aging injury prone defender on modest wages then selling him for three times what we paid for him would be "Villa Vlaar Meltdown".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2014, 06:00:23 AM
but we are bracing ourselves for interest from Man Utd
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on July 30, 2014, 07:05:17 AM
The quote "Saints boss Ronald Koeman could derail Villa’s preparations by aggressively pursuing Vlaar" does this mean he's getting really angry about it?


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: manic-road on July 30, 2014, 07:05:17 AM
The quote "Saints boss Ronald Koeman could derail Villa’s preparations by aggressively pursuing Vlaar" does this mean he's getting really angry about it?



He can stand there banging on the gates of the club if he wants. Unless Southampton offer us a suitable fee, Ron's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
Yet I aggressively persue someone and the courts get involved.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 30, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
Ki deal looking like it going no where

http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/ki-exeter-reaction-1791296.aspx
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2014, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 30, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
Ki deal looking like it going no where

http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/ki-exeter-reaction-1791296.aspx

I wouldn't expect a player to say any different to be honest, just like if he joined I'd expect platitudes of "how big a club Villa is..."
At least now he's back off his holidays there's no excuses to not complete the deal or indeed move on to other targets.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 30, 2014, 05:13:51 PM
BBC reporting Everton close to signing Lukaku permanently, so I'd assume Atsu will now go there on loan and we'll get Moses.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Lukaku's fee reportedly £25M.  A world away from where we are right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
Frustrates me seeing a club like Everton spending £25-30m. What's our excuse for not spending any money? I know Lerner is selling the club, but surely he knows we need to buy some good players to avoid another relegation battle. Didn't we get something like £60m in TV money? Why can't we spend, say, £15m of that on transfers instead of rummaging through the bins like we have been doing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
Frustrates me seeing a club like Everton spending £25-30m. What's our excuse for not spending any money? I know Lerner is selling the club, but surely he knows we need to buy some good players to avoid another relegation battle. Didn't we get something like £60m in TV money? Why can't we spend, say, £15m of that on transfers instead of rummaging through the bins like we have been doing.

Because we have absolutely no ambition beyond staying up, and doing so as cheaply as possible, that's why.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 30, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Lukaku's fee reportedly £25M.  A world away from where we are right now.

Would prefer Atsu all day. But for the price of the loan fee would prefer to buy some bargain somewhere rather than assist a Chelsea player .....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
Frustrates me seeing a club like Everton spending £25-30m. What's our excuse for not spending any money? I know Lerner is selling the club, but surely he knows we need to buy some good players to avoid another relegation battle. Didn't we get something like £60m in TV money? Why can't we spend, say, £15m of that on transfers instead of rummaging through the bins like we have been doing.

Because we have absolutely no ambition beyond staying up, and doing so as cheaply as possible, that's why.

Yep. It annoys me how Lerner is apparently a fan, yet has no problem leaving us in the shit year after year. I can't wait till he goes now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 30, 2014, 05:54:54 PM
Whats annoying is we wasted money on low waged players last season when if money was tight the Loan market , as shown by Everton was way to go.They improved them gave them chance to push on.

But as said above currently all we are doing is trying to stay up ..thats just where we are
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 30, 2014, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 30, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Lukaku's fee reportedly £25M.  A world away from where we are right now.

Would prefer Atsu all day. But for the price of the loan fee would prefer to buy some bargain somewhere rather than assist a Chelsea player .....


I honestly think the opposite. Look at what Forsell did for the noses (basically they didn't get relegated until he started getting injuries - I think he was there on loan for about three years. I think Bertrand helped us a lot at first last year and then his form tailed off. John Terry went to Forest and as far as I know didn't end up in court at any point during his loan spell so that has to classed as a result for Forest. But on a genuinely serious note, apart from the likes of Walker and Keane I think we have under used the loan market and been left standing by other clubs in that respect. I don't praise Small Heath much but they used it well under Bruce. I know it was probably never possible due to finances but imagine if we had got Barry and Lukaku in our side last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 30, 2014, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 30, 2014, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 30, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Lukaku's fee reportedly £25M.  A world away from where we are right now.

Would prefer Atsu all day. But for the price of the loan fee would prefer to buy some bargain somewhere rather than assist a Chelsea player .....


I honestly think the opposite. Look at what Forsell did for the noses (basically they didn't get relegated until he started getting injuries - I think he was there on loan for about three years. I think Bertrand helped us a lot at first last year and then his form tailed off. John Terry went to Forest and as far as I know didn't end up in court at any point during his loan spell so that has to classed as a result for Forest. But on a genuinely serious note, apart from the likes of Walker and Keane I think we have under used the loan market and been left standing by other clubs in that respect. I don't praise Small Heath much but they used it well under Bruce. I know it was probably never possible due to finances but imagine if we had got Barry and Lukaku in our side last season.

I agree that we have not done well in using the loan system.  If you bring a player in on loan it has to be somebody that is professional in their approach e.g. Barry who realised he had gone as far as he could with Man City or somebody that is young and highly motivated e.g. a player like Lukaku who wanted to prove he was good enough for Chelsea or good enough to get a good transfer away from his parent club.

What you do not want is a demotivated player who only wants to go through the motions.  Usually these have typically been bought by a top 6 side but failed to make the grade and have a bit of a 'Billy Big B*******" attitude.

Our loaning out of players has not been very successful either.  With young players, you need to loan them out to clubs that are going to give them genuine game time.  It is better to loan them to a Div. 2 side and have them playing than a Championship side where they just sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
Frustrates me seeing a club like Everton spending £25-30m. What's our excuse for not spending any money? I know Lerner is selling the club, but surely he knows we need to buy some good players to avoid another relegation battle. Didn't we get something like £60m in TV money? Why can't we spend, say, £15m of that on transfers instead of rummaging through the bins like we have been doing.

Because we have absolutely no ambition beyond staying up, and doing so as cheaply as possible, that's why.
Unfortunately it boils down to Everton being run very sensibly for the past decade plus, whilst Randy had run us with all the sense and realism of a 12 year old before having to clear up his own mess.

Whether they actually go and fork out 25 million on Lukaku remains to be seen, but they've still got a large wedge of that Fellaini cash in their pocket, as well as the TV money. Fair play to them.

You'd imagine Everton could find a way to cope with spending that amount. Where-as, even beyond O Neill's days, we spunked 24 million on Bent, and it seems as it was a fee we couldn't really afford and are still, among other outgoings, trying to balance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on July 30, 2014, 07:54:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 30, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
Frustrates me seeing a club like Everton spending £25-30m. What's our excuse for not spending any money? I know Lerner is selling the club, but surely he knows we need to buy some good players to avoid another relegation battle. Didn't we get something like £60m in TV money? Why can't we spend, say, £15m of that on transfers instead of rummaging through the bins like we have been doing.

Because we have absolutely no ambition beyond staying up, and doing so as cheaply as possible, that's why.
Unfortunately it boils down to Everton being run very sensibly for the past decade plus, whilst Randy had run us with all the sense and realism of a 12 year old before having to clear up his own mess.

Whether they actually go and fork out 25 million on Lukaku remains to be seen, but they've still got a large wedge of that Fellaini cash in their pocket, as well as the TV money. Fair play to them.

You'd imagine Everton could find a way to cope with spending that amount. Where-as, even beyond O Neill's days, we spunked 24 million on Bent, and it seems as it was a fee we couldn't really afford and are still, among other outgoings, trying to balance.

The other thing is that Everton have been good at developing good young players that they have sold for top money.  Look at their team now and see how many have come through and what they could fetch in transfer fees.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 30, 2014, 07:54:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 30, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
Frustrates me seeing a club like Everton spending £25-30m. What's our excuse for not spending any money? I know Lerner is selling the club, but surely he knows we need to buy some good players to avoid another relegation battle. Didn't we get something like £60m in TV money? Why can't we spend, say, £15m of that on transfers instead of rummaging through the bins like we have been doing.

Because we have absolutely no ambition beyond staying up, and doing so as cheaply as possible, that's why.
Unfortunately it boils down to Everton being run very sensibly for the past decade plus, whilst Randy had run us with all the sense and realism of a 12 year old before having to clear up his own mess.

Whether they actually go and fork out 25 million on Lukaku remains to be seen, but they've still got a large wedge of that Fellaini cash in their pocket, as well as the TV money. Fair play to them.

You'd imagine Everton could find a way to cope with spending that amount. Where-as, even beyond O Neill's days, we spunked 24 million on Bent, and it seems as it was a fee we couldn't really afford and are still, among other outgoings, trying to balance.

The other thing is that Everton have been good at developing good young players that they have sold for top money.  Look at their team now and see how many have come through and what they could fetch in transfer fees.
Absolutely. They've just tied Barkley down to a good contract too. On the one hand it means they keep hold of him for now, on the other it means that if a Man City or Utd want to buy him in a years time, they'll have to pay ludicrous money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2014, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 30, 2014, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 30, 2014, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 30, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Lukaku's fee reportedly £25M.  A world away from where we are right now.

Would prefer Atsu all day. But for the price of the loan fee would prefer to buy some bargain somewhere rather than assist a Chelsea player .....


I honestly think the opposite. Look at what Forsell did for the noses (basically they didn't get relegated until he started getting injuries - I think he was there on loan for about three years. I think Bertrand helped us a lot at first last year and then his form tailed off. John Terry went to Forest and as far as I know didn't end up in court at any point during his loan spell so that has to classed as a result for Forest. But on a genuinely serious note, apart from the likes of Walker and Keane I think we have under used the loan market and been left standing by other clubs in that respect. I don't praise Small Heath much but they used it well under Bruce. I know it was probably never possible due to finances but imagine if we had got Barry and Lukaku in our side last season.

I agree that we have not done well in using the loan system.  If you bring a player in on loan it has to be somebody that is professional in their approach e.g. Barry who realised he had gone as far as he could with Man City or somebody that is young and highly motivated e.g. a player like Lukaku who wanted to prove he was good enough for Chelsea or good enough to get a good transfer away from his parent club.

What you do not want is a demotivated player who only wants to go through the motions.  Usually these have typically been bought by a top 6 side but failed to make the grade and have a bit of a 'Billy Big B*******" attitude.

Our loaning out of players has not been very successful either.  With young players, you need to loan them out to clubs that are going to give them genuine game time.  It is better to loan them to a Div. 2 side and have them playing than a Championship side where they just sit on the bench.

I agree.  Furthermore I doubt Lukaku would be going to Everton if he'd not played there last year, enjoyed himself and built up a rapport with the fans.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 30, 2014, 08:47:43 PM
£28million Everton have paid ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2014, 08:55:24 PM
Which once fit and firing again, puts Benteke into the mid 30 millions now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 30, 2014, 08:55:24 PM
Which once fit and firing again, puts Benteke into the mid 30 millions now.
Yep. It's a good marker to use.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: myf on July 30, 2014, 09:09:06 PM
We're being left behind. I don't want the season to start
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2014, 09:29:59 PM
Guzan go sleepy.

EDIT- supertom also go sleepy. Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.

From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2014, 09:50:36 PM
I remember the days when us and Everton would compete a whole season for the intertoto cup.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2014, 10:25:23 PM
Started well for us but little else. (Bertrand)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: montague on July 30, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.

From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that.

Got dragged down to our level
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: montague on July 30, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.

From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that.

Got dragged down to our level

I don't even think it was that.

I just don't think he was very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2014, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: montague on July 30, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.

From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that.

Got dragged down to our level

I don't even think it was that.

I just don't think he was very good.

I thought he was pretty awful the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 10:55:19 PM
Given what we had before at left back, he was o.k.

Hardly an inspiring start for this massive war chest the Saints chairman was boasting about, replacing a 30m left back with a year's loanee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
Will we buy anyone for £ this season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2014, 11:33:14 PM
Just hoping for something to smile about and feel positive going into the new season....takeover or transfer wise.

Unfortunately I think I'm clutching at broken dream straws.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2014, 11:33:14 PM
Just hoping for something to smile about and feel positive going into the new season....takeover or transfer wise.

Unfortunately I think I'm clutching at broken dream straws.

You and me both.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 30, 2014, 11:40:11 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
Will we buy anyone for £ this season?

Not looking too good so far ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: newtonsballs on July 30, 2014, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2014, 11:33:14 PM
Just hoping for something to smile about and feel positive going into the new season....takeover or transfer wise.

Unfortunately I think I'm clutching at broken dream straws.

You and me both.

Chin up chaps - this is but a glich in the history of our club. We will look back on Lerner's time with a heavy sigh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2014, 11:44:06 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 30, 2014, 11:40:11 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
Will we buy anyone for £ this season?

Not looking too good so far ...

We already have done haven't we? Unless we used a different form of currency.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dicedlam on July 30, 2014, 11:44:30 PM
It might be mentioned elsewhere and apologies if it as, but does anyone have any idea how the season ticket sales are going?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2014, 12:52:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: montague on July 30, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.

From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that.

Got dragged down to our level

I don't even think it was that.

I just don't think he was very good.

I think there might have been a bit of that to be honest Paulie.   I wonder if he just gave it up as a bad job after the first few games and simply saw the season out.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 31, 2014, 12:52:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: montague on July 30, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Bertrand off to Southampton on loan.

From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that.

Got dragged down to our level

I don't even think it was that.

I just don't think he was very good.

I think there might have been a bit of that to be honest Paulie.   I wonder if he just gave it up as a bad job after the first few games and simply saw the season out.   

I'm with Paulie, even early on when most people were clamouring for us to sign him permanently at any cost I didn't really see anything special about him.  He's a slight upgrade of Bennett and Luna but I most certainly wouldn't have paid more for him than we did for Benteke, I'm happier with Richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on July 31, 2014, 07:46:10 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9400500/transfer-news-swansea-planning-to-put-fresh-terms-to-ki-sung-yueng

Not looking great on the Ki front. Shame, I think he is a good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2014, 08:49:35 AM
plan b then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2014, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2014, 08:49:35 AM
plan b then.

Young and hungry?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
Quote from: dicedlam on July 30, 2014, 11:44:30 PM
It might be mentioned elsewhere and apologies if it as, but does anyone have any idea how the season ticket sales are going?


Well, I can personally verify that we have sold at least 1, but beyond that I can't comment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on July 31, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
I believe there will some more signigns,, but its really up in the air as to what kind of signings they will be. We seem to have filled out the squad with more exprienced players, but the world and his wife knows we need at least two players capable of coming in and improving the centre of the park.

I really see no reason why there isn't the money available for us, that there apparently is for other clubs with smaller turnovers etc to invest. Its one thing for an owner to want to sell and another for him to neglect the obligation for every owner of any sports team anywhere to try and compete. He may not think its worth spending £16-20 million on say two players to take us into the top half. Fine, use the clubs money, as everybody else seems to be doing.

There are such fine margins from being a struggler to being pretty comfortable and then on again to giving something a go. I wish we would show a little bit of ambition, so excuse the Wolves-fan-ism, but this is Aston Villa, not some Mickey Mouse no hoper from Hampshire.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2014, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2014, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2014, 08:49:35 AM
plan b then.

Young and hungry?

Young can fuck off.  Who's this Hungry geezer?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
It's a bit of a shame missing out on Ki. He's a decent player. He's perfect for Swansea really, so ultimately I understand why they've decided to keep him. It surprised me, initially when we were linked that they'd want to let a decent player go.

I just hope we have suitable alternatives and don't end up in a situation like January where it was Hoolahan or bust.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on July 31, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
Yet I aggressively persue someone and the courts get involved.
that made me laugh
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 31, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
We don't seem to have had any credible links to players from abroad & no played in Prem League

So if Ki is not happening who else is available in league we can get ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 31, 2014, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 31, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
We don't seem to have had any credible links to players from abroad & no played in Prem League

So if Ki is not happening who else is available in league we can get ?


Karl Henry?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 31, 2014, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 31, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
We don't seem to have had any credible links to players from abroad & no played in Prem League

So if Ki is not happening who else is available in league we can get ?


Karl Henry?

Please don't say that, even in jest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on July 31, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
Kagawa ?  Manure don't seem to want him...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
Kagawa could be the new Kiyotake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on July 31, 2014, 01:18:38 PM
Sky saying Everton ahead of us and Sunderland  to sign Atsu from Chelsea on loan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 31, 2014, 01:18:38 PM
Sky saying Everton ahead of us and Sunderland  to sign Atsu from Chelsea on loan
Last year Chelsea were kings of the 'tactical loan'. They play this game of hoping the loanees will help take points of their rivals. I think it stinks but it's allowed. They must see Everton as well capable of taking points of their CL rivals but not a direct threat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 01:35:04 PM
Express and Star linking us with Scott Sinclair, he is so hopeless it could happen
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on July 31, 2014, 01:41:17 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on July 31, 2014, 01:18:38 PM
Sky saying Everton ahead of us and Sunderland  to sign Atsu from Chelsea on loan
Last year Chelsea were kings of the 'tactical loan'. They play this game of hoping the loanees will help take points of their rivals. I think it stinks but it's allowed. They must see Everton as well capable of taking points of their CL rivals but not a direct threat.

I think this is a big problem. They had so many players out on loan last season, who were ineligible to play against them, that they often came up against a weaker side than their immediate rivals did when they were playing the same team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 31, 2014, 02:06:10 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 01:35:04 PM
Express and Star linking us with Scott Sinclair, he is so hopeless it could happen

Surely there are hundreds of better loan options we'd look at before him?! Moses, Zaha, Assaidi, etc??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 31, 2014, 02:06:10 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 01:35:04 PM
Express and Star linking us with Scott Sinclair, he is so hopeless it could happen

Surely there are hundreds of better loan options we'd look at before him?! Moses, Zaha, Assaidi, etc??
Yes indeed, another example of a promising young player who moved too early, barely played, and has now lost form. Zaha might be going the same way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
I think this thread needs this posting every other day

http://goo.gl/Uv1BE3
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 31, 2014, 02:23:25 PM
I'd take Sinclair if Moses falls through, he can't be any worse than Bowery and Tonev.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 31, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
I'd take Lazarus over Tonev
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 31, 2014, 02:36:04 PM
Long John Silver is more two footed
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on July 31, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
To be fair, Tonev is very much two-footed. In that he's capable of smashing a ball into Row Z with either foot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 31, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
Club-footed like Goebbels
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on July 31, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
I'd take Lazarus over Tonev

I'd take Papa Lazarou over Tonev
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 31, 2014, 05:48:46 PM
May I whine? Permit me to whine a little. Please skip if it offends.

Are we going to sign someone for actual money???? Lerner you do know we have been in a relegation fight for three years straight right? During last seasons struggle I was genuinely optimistic that after all the budget cuts and the new TV money this summer we would finally start to invest in players again. I did not expect to cut even further FFS!

Slashing Lamberts transfer budget even more is outrageous. Lerner is rolling the dice with our survival (which now is our only aim) and this season is worse than ever.

Spent some fucking money Lerner before it is too late and your club is worth much much less after its in the championship.

Money!!

Thanks all. I feel better getting that off my chest.


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 31, 2014, 05:48:46 PM
May I whine? Permit me to whine a little. Please skip if it offends.

Are we going to sign someone for actual money???? Lerner you do know we have been in a relegation fight for three years straight right? During last seasons struggle I was genuinely optimistic that after all the budget cuts and the new TV money this summer we would finally start to invest in players again. I did not expect to cut even further FFS!

Slashing Lamberts transfer budget even more is outrageous. Lerner is rolling the dice with our survival (which now is our only aim) and this season is worse than ever.

Spent some fucking money Lerner before it is too late and your club is worth much much less after its in the championship.

Money!!

Thanks all. I feel better getting that off my chest.



Don't let the uninterested chairman, lame duck manager, old washed up signings and lack of money grind you down!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 31, 2014, 05:55:37 PM
Thanks, I am raging.   >:(

Tired of waking up every day and seeing the BBC football page listing other clubs strengthening.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: HUCKERS79 on July 31, 2014, 05:56:46 PM
Just on sky sports news Lowton is going to Boro on a season long loan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
How peculiar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 31, 2014, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: HUCKERS79 on July 31, 2014, 05:56:46 PM
Just on sky sports news Lowton is going to Boro on a season long loan?

Well when you have the kind of strength in depth we have you can afford to loan out one or two superstars.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
That's weird. He's not going to get any better with a year out of the Premier League and if Lambert doesn't want him, surely he could be sold.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 06:02:19 PM
I think the off the field stuff has done for Lowton. Go back to the thread a year ago when he signed a new contract and most of us were talking about how good he was. Even my Albion best mate was raving about him a year or so ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on July 31, 2014, 06:03:24 PM
Close to home, solves the fallout with the manager (for now) and maybe frees up cash to bring in another right back, even it is a loan player coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
That's weird. He's not going to get any better with a year out of the Premier League and if Lambert doesn't want him, surely he could be sold.

That's the bit that is peculiar.

Not so much that he sees Bacuna and Hutton ahead of him, but that we're sending him on loan rather than selling him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
That's weird. He's not going to get any better with a year out of the Premier League and if Lambert doesn't want him, surely he could be sold.

That's the bit that is peculiar.

Not so much that he sees Bacuna and Hutton ahead of him, but that we're sending him on loan rather than selling him.

Maybe it's because long term we hope he can get sorted? Short term we have Bacuna and Hutton, and in a year Hutton will have gone (I think). Still it is a bit of a strange 'un.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
That's weird. He's not going to get any better with a year out of the Premier League and if Lambert doesn't want him, surely he could be sold.

That's the bit that is peculiar.

Not so much that he sees Bacuna and Hutton ahead of him, but that we're sending him on loan rather than selling him.

Maybe it's because long term we hope he can get sorted? Short term we have Bacuna and Hutton, and in a year Hutton will have gone (I think). Still it is a bit of a strange 'un.

But playing in the championship? Strange move.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
That's weird. He's not going to get any better with a year out of the Premier League and if Lambert doesn't want him, surely he could be sold.

That's the bit that is peculiar.

Not so much that he sees Bacuna and Hutton ahead of him, but that we're sending him on loan rather than selling him.

Maybe it's because long term we hope he can get sorted? Short term we have Bacuna and Hutton, and in a year Hutton will have gone (I think). Still it is a bit of a strange 'un.

If he was 19, maybe but not 25.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 06:10:26 PM
Maybe we want him to pretty much be guaranteed plenty of game time? Which he should get at that level. I'm just trying to think of how it can make any sense and this scenario is the only one I can come up with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 31, 2014, 06:03:24 PM
Close to home, solves the fallout with the manager (for now) and maybe frees up cash to bring in another right back, even it is a loan player coming in.
Sheffield to Boro is further than it is  from Sheffield to Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 31, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 31, 2014, 06:03:24 PM
Close to home, solves the fallout with the manager (for now) and maybe frees up cash to bring in another right back, even it is a loan player coming in.
Sheffield to Boro is further than it is  from Sheffield to Villa.

It can't be. They're both North.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: davisa on July 31, 2014, 06:19:57 PM
I am fuming, Is lambert seriously the biggest hypocrite in football?

Lowton and Benteke were our best players in 2012/13 - One dodgy season (along with everybody else) and Lowton get's shifted up North where he will not improve.  He's 25 for crying out loud, what's he going to gain from going to Boro?  Villa fans being Villa fans were calling out for Lowton to be picked for England 18 months ago now a select few are saying 'He never performed anyway', 'Huttons better'... Boll***s

This shows how much of a Joke we are right now, and how much of a hyprocrite Lambert really is - Last 2 seasons it's been Youth this, Youth that, No experience required, we don't need it... Now we're signing anyone who falls off the back of the ring and ride

First season Lambert was here we tried passing the ball about a bit, i remember Stoke away we kept the ball all game.  Last season we tried Hoofing it from the back on every given occasion... Just what does he want from the players? What is his Vision?

Piss off Lambert.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 31, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 31, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
Sheffield to Boro is further than it is  from Sheffield to Villa.

True, about 2 hours as opposed to 1 and a half

Lowton has shown he's definitely got something. His first season was a real highpoint of a turgid campaign for me, and his performance against Sunderland at home one of the best right back showings i've ever seen in the shirt (on a one off basis)

I don't know what's happened since. But it seems a crying shame that talent can't be coaxed back out of him with some work behind the scenes

One thing i'm absolutely sure of, we wont be buying a replacement. We'll just shove Bacuna again (Nooooooooooooooo) or Hutton in his place. I'd rather the latter if we're playing with full backs for certain


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2014, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 31, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on July 31, 2014, 06:03:24 PM
Close to home, solves the fallout with the manager (for now) and maybe frees up cash to bring in another right back, even it is a loan player coming in.
Sheffield to Boro is further than it is  from Sheffield to Villa.

It can't be. They're both North.
that's too subtle for me, mate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on July 31, 2014, 06:24:55 PM
Bizarre. That's two fullbacks we need now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 31, 2014, 07:05:34 PM
Season before last I thought we'd found a real cracking full-back, someone who would be a Villa great.
What the f**k happened there?
How did he suddenly become not very good?

What's John Gidman doing these days?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Shrek on July 31, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
Middlesborough obviously let their players live where they want then?

Home sick Lowton will surely be living at home.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 31, 2014, 07:17:21 PM
That is odd. Just like my brow furrowed when Cahill went to Sheffield United, the same is happening here. What the piss will the player learn from the deal if they are part of future plans?

If he had gone to Leicester or Burnley, say, I could see it. Not here though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 31, 2014, 07:24:36 PM
This really doesn't make much sense at all, unless Lambert just wants him out of the place regardless.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on July 31, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
Has this been confirmed or is it just a Sky rumour?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2014, 07:35:54 PM
There's got to be more to this than simply Lowton not moving closer to BH. That may have started the friction but there has obviously been some fallout and you'd imagine on Lowtons part some question regarding his attitude and behaviour. He went from being our first choice right back, looking very good, to someone not really busting a gut to regain his place from Bacuna. He was woeful almost the whole of last season and he's started pre-season in much the same way.

I think to be honest he's just dropping back down to his level again.

If we sign replacements I don't care. But we've got to sign another right back that's for sure and a left back as Bennett is also clearly miles off being Premiership standard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 31, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
He genuinely looked like he couldn't give a shit last night. Now I see why.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2014, 07:47:38 PM
Naughton coming in as part of a Vlaar deal to Spurs, perhaps?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 07:50:21 PM
Naughton and Holtby in as part of that deal would be ok, but would leave us short at centre half. I was disappointed we did not look at Maguire who I thought had gone to Hull? Looked good every time I have seen Sheffield United (admittedly only about 6 times!)

If Vlaar goes, we need to get a centre back, and a captain in. As Gabby as captain and certain starter frightens the life out of me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2014, 07:50:52 PM
He has joined Hull.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 31, 2014, 07:52:00 PM
What Vlaar deal?  Is there such a deal?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 07:55:18 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2014, 07:50:52 PM
He has joined Hull.

Thought I read that. Oh well. Onwards and erm... you know.

If Lowton does go out on loan though, it will do him good I reckon. He needs to get 12 months football, not in and out, not struggling, get his confidence back as he could be an excellent player. People have said he looks way off the pace in pre season which is a shame, so maybe a loan is best.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on July 31, 2014, 07:59:06 PM
Will be interesting to see how Roberston gets on at Hull City.  Was the standout player in Scotland last year.  Not hard, admittedly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2014, 08:10:43 PM
He isn't that good, however I would have liked to have seen him sold rather than loaned
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2014, 08:31:31 PM
What a fall from grace for Lowton. Disappointing as with work he looked like he could develop into a decent premier league player as we saw from towards the end of 12-13.

This sort of makes sense why Hutton has dramatically come back into the fold and Lambert blocked his move to WBA.

Hutton as starting RB with Bacuna and Herd as back ups. Just above sums us up really as mediocre options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on July 31, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 31, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on July 31, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
I'd take Lazarus over Tonev

I'd take Papa Lazarou over Tonev
You are a man of impeccable taste.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 31, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
If Ki's not happening I'd get Rodwell in on loan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 31, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
If Ki's not happening I'd get Rodwell in on loan


Why would you want Jenas?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on July 31, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Heard Mellberg retired from footie today
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on July 31, 2014, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 31, 2014, 06:24:55 PM
Bizarre. That's two fullbacks we need now.

Unlikely, Richardson, Stevens, and Hutton will replace Betrand, Luna and Lowton in the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2014, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on July 31, 2014, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 31, 2014, 06:24:55 PM
Bizarre. That's two fullbacks we need now.

Unlikely, Richardson, Stevens, and Hutton will replace Betrand, Luna and Lowton in the squad.
that made me shudder
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Fucking hell we've not kicked a ball in anger yet and I'm getting brassed off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2014, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 31, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Heard Mellberg retired from footie today
Makes him just about right for our next signing then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 31, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Heard Mellberg retired from footie today

Yes. Confirmed on the news over here a couple of hours ago.

Press statement translation

"Today I have terminated my contract with FC Copenhagen, which will be the last in my football carrier.  Thank you to all the fans, players, trainer and others that I have had the pleasure of working with through the years."

There have been whispers for most of this week that something was afoot as he hadn't been named in the first three match day squads



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on July 31, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
Best wishes for your retirement  and thank you, Olof. UTV!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 31, 2014, 09:29:42 PM
Hear hear!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 10:14:55 PM
Lowton is crap so why the fuss? I do wonder though if we might have been after Jenkinson from the arse for a season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 31, 2014, 10:15:45 PM
Come back as gaffer Olof, and bring Martin (Laursen) with you!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on July 31, 2014, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 10:14:55 PM
Lowton is crap so why the fuss? I do wonder though if we might have been after Jenkinson from the arse for a season?

I hope not. Jenkinson is bollocks. 

I do wish we'd sign Trippier from Burnley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Stumbled across this in a strange way but we had a scout at Brugge - Brondby tonight.

http://clubbrugge.be/nl/nieuws/18556/25-scouts-voor-club-brondby
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2014, 10:24:56 PM
I wonder if Clark is being earmarked, or baker, for a left-back slot? Don't play it in the friendlies but practice it in training. plus he's played there. Stoke will be set-up for a different defence and will pick their team accordingly if they think it's Richardson or Bennett. first game away at Stoke I can see the benefits. Not permanently but worth a shout?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 10:31:41 PM
I'd opt for Richardson, he strikes me as the most competent of our options there. Which, admittedly, when Bennett is one of them, doesn't actually say a great deal.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2014, 10:37:20 PM
I hope he's not played there but further forward. I don't fancy Clarke there either but for all the positions we're talking about filling left-back is hardly mentioned but needs to be. Lambert thinks that is not a short-term necessity which does suggest we won't be spending much. I think he's saving his powder for a midfielder. I think that, and possibly only one more if lucky, will be it. It really is a fingers crossed feeling pre-season and still one of dread rather than anticipation for the new season. let's just hope we get it right more often than not next season.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 31, 2014, 10:45:39 PM
Where's this Lowton story come from? Can't see it reported anywhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 31, 2014, 10:24:56 PM
I wonder if Clark is being earmarked, or baker, for a left-back slot?
You're sticking with this whole "Richardson isn't going to be a left-back" thing then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2014, 10:48:52 PM
No, if you read my post you'll know that's not what I said.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 10:52:44 PM
I hope there is a plan. I really do. I hope that the takeover is imminent and we are boxing clever and holding back on money transfers. I remain optimistic but it's getting harder by the day.

Toronto Villa, do you still think we will make a profit on the players that Lambert has brought in? Debate from a while ago, my friend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 10:52:44 PM
I hope there is a plan. I really do. I hope that the takeover is imminent and we are boxing clever and holding back on money transfers. I remain optimistic but it's getting harder by the day.

Toronto Villa, do you still think we will make a profit on the players that Lambert has brought in? Debate from a while ago, my friend.

do I think we'd make a profit if we sold the players Lambert has bought? Yes, absolutely. On which players do you think we'd lose money?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 10:59:18 PM
Apart from Benteke, nearly all of them. Vlaar will make us a profit based on his world cup performances. Keep him if we can though. I think he has bought really poorly. How about you, who are your profit makers? Can we agree that Guzan doesn't count please?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Lowton, Westwood, Bacuna, Luna were all around a million or less according to Lambert himself. I don't think we would lose on any of them.

Guzan who he signed we would also profit on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 31, 2014, 11:01:12 PM
It  seems an odd move, unless a right back is coming in next week, which I doubt. ..a full season of Hutton, don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
Profit on Benteke, Vlaar and Westwood, after that i'm struggling. Richardson as well obviously.

Westwood, Lowton and Bacuna couldn't have been £1m, otherwise how do the accounts show we've spent £42m quid?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:04:13 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 10:59:18 PM
Apart from Benteke, nearly all of them. Vlaar will make us a profit based on his world cup performances. Keep him if we can though. I think he has bought really poorly. How about you, who are your profit makers? Can we agree that Guzan doesn't count please?
Lowton, Westwood, Bacuna.

Kozak and Okore probably would in time. But I agree, they're both up in the air. Helenius would probably break even. Ditto El Ahmadi. We'd probably lose money on Tonev, Luna and Bennett.

And why doesn't Guzan count? He was a free transfer, unless you think we would recoup no transfer fee...

I expect we won't lose money on any of our summer signings from this year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 10:59:18 PM
Apart from Benteke, nearly all of them. Vlaar will make us a profit based on his world cup performances. Keep him if we can though. I think he has bought really poorly. How about you, who are your profit makers? Can we agree that Guzan doesn't count please?

Who re-signed Guzan? He was on his way out when Lambert came in and gave him another shot. How about Bacuna and Okore? He signed Westwood for less than a million, and Lowton. Bennett cost next to nothing. Tonev didn't cost much but we might take a hit. Helenius is out on loan but he cost very little. Almost all of them came from inferior leagues to play PL football so almost all of them will have at minimum retained the value that we paid and then some.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:07:44 PM
We'd also get a profit on Senderos, Clark, Baker, Weimann, KEA to name just a few.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Lowton, Westwood, Bacuna, Luna were all around a million or less according to Lambert himself. I don't think we would lose on any of them.

Guzan who he signed we would also profit on.

Guzan was re-signed.  Can't really count him as a Lambert signing. Play fair gents please. Lowton? Off to Boro on loan, not a sale? Luna too. Why can't we sell them instead of loaning them? Is it because they are poo? Where is the profit so far? Bowers? Oops. Nope. Face it chaps. Rubbish signings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:10:10 PM
Rubbish or not the very fact that most of them have premier league appearances the fee increases. Therefore, however small or large, a profit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 31, 2014, 11:11:06 PM
What we all don't know about is the £4 million loan signing fee we're going to be getting for lowton. That'll cheer y'all up.

Seriously though, I'm not bothered. I don't buy this homesick bollocks, he's playing in the midlands not Russia (i know, some parts are like it etc). The delicate little flower.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:07:44 PM
We'd also get a profit on Senderos, Clark, Baker, Weimann, KEA to name just a few.

Who would pay £3m quid for KEA? Baker, Weimann and Clark are youth players not Lambert buys and Senderos..... Helenius will go back to Denmark for a nominal fee, no chance of breaking even on him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:07:44 PM
We'd also get a profit on Senderos, Clark, Baker, Weimann, KEA to name just a few.

Peter, sell ons from Lamberts signings. Free transfers can hardly count given that they cost nothing eh? Clark, Wiemann and Baker came through the youth system. KEA? A profit? Nah!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Lowton, Westwood, Bacuna, Luna were all around a million or less according to Lambert himself. I don't think we would lose on any of them.

Guzan who he signed we would also profit on.

Guzan was re-signed.  Can't really count him as a Lambert signing. Play fair gents please. Lowton? Off to Boro on loan, not a sale? Luna too. Why can't we sell them instead of loaning them? Is it because they are poo? Where is the profit so far? Bowers? Oops. Nope. Face it chaps. Rubbish signings.

I think the loan rather than sell thing is a decent question.

We seem totally uncapable of flogging players unless they're 20m pound players everyone wants to buy.

How many players have we sold for 0-10m in the last 5 or 6 years, I wonder?

I'd guess at about 3.

We just loan them until their contracts end. I don't see other clubs do that so much, so why do we?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2014, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Stumbled across this in a strange way but we had a scout at Brugge - Brondby tonight.

http://clubbrugge.be/nl/nieuws/18556/25-scouts-voor-club-brondby

I hope to god they weren't looking at any Brųndby players, with the possible exception of Simon Makeniok, a forward who's still young enough (23) to improve further and has been getting better with each season the last 2-3 years.

The rest of them can be summed up by the fact that their next 2 best players are former WBA record signing Marten Albrechtsen and John Elmander!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Lowton, Westwood, Bacuna, Luna were all around a million or less according to Lambert himself. I don't think we would lose on any of them.

Guzan who he signed we would also profit on.

Guzan was re-signed.  Can't really count him as a Lambert signing. Play fair gents please. Lowton? Off to Boro on loan, not a sale? Luna too. Why can't we sell them instead of loaning them? Is it because they are poo? Where is the profit so far? Bowers? Oops. Nope. Face it chaps. Rubbish signings.

Sigh. Let's take this stupidity one at a time.

1) He had left the club. Lambert needed to sign a goalkeeper. It could have been Guzan, it could have been somebody different. The fact that Guzan had previously played for us doesn't impact at all on the fact that he was who Lambert chose to bring in.

2) We probably could sell Lowton. We might want to keep him though. I've read nothing about loaning Luna, I've heard about him potentially signing for Verona.

3) There probably isn't any profit, because we've not sold really sold anybody. Apart from...

4) Jordan Bowery. A player that we lost a whole £250,000 on.

You missed Bacuna, Okore, Kozak, and Helenius in your in-depth analysis.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 31, 2014, 11:11:06 PM
What we all don't know about is the £4 million loan signing fee we're going to be getting for lowton. That'll cheer y'all up.

Seriously though, I'm not bothered. I don't buy this homesick bollocks, he's playing in the midlands not Russia (i know, some parts are like it etc). The delicate little flower.


Didn't he play in Hungary for a season too?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 11:22:15 PM
Dave, as per, you are taking this way too seriously. Stupidity? Coming from you, a mod. Whatever!

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:22:15 PM
Stupidity? Coming from you, a mod. Whatever!
Don't worry, I fully support your right to post nonsense as much as everyone else's right to post sense.

Feel free to carry on, I'll be right behind you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 31, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2014, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 31, 2014, 11:11:06 PM
What we all don't know about is the £4 million loan signing fee we're going to be getting for lowton. That'll cheer y'all up.

Seriously though, I'm not bothered. I don't buy this homesick bollocks, he's playing in the midlands not Russia (i know, some parts are like it etc). The delicate little flower.


Didn't he play in Hungary for a season too?

Ozzjim, i have been enlightened. I've just wiki'd him and he did indeed in the 09/10 season. I guess he didn't have is babby back then though. If he's an issue off field then i won't be sad he's going. Well he's an issue on field, that being he's not very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
Lets go with £42m spent:

Benteke is at least on a par with Lukaku so a minimum of £28m
Vlaar would go for £10m this summer
Bacuna would be at least £4m, his freekicks alone make him worth that.

So 3 sales and we break even.

We'd get a profit on Kozak in my opinion (12 appearances and a goal every 207 minutes is a good start).
We'd get a profit on Westwood, probably £4-5m
We'd get our money back on Okore

Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.
I'd say £8m on Guzan isn't over-exaggerating either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2014, 11:32:20 PM
This Lambert flak with his signings baffles me. Yes there's been a few duds (tell me a manager that dosen't buy them) but come on Benteke and Vlaar for 10m was brilliant and stands up against many premier league managers for value I'd say.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:32:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2014, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Stumbled across this in a strange way but we had a scout at Brugge - Brondby tonight.

http://clubbrugge.be/nl/nieuws/18556/25-scouts-voor-club-brondby

I hope to god they weren't looking at any Brųndby players, with the possible exception of Simon Makeniok, a forward who's still young enough (23) to improve further and has been getting better with each season the last 2-3 years.

The rest of them can be summed up by the fact that their next 2 best players are former WBA record signing Marten Albrechtsen and John Elmander!

Haven't Brugge got a young centre back who supposed to be a bit special?  I'm sure I saw something about them a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.
I'd say £8m on Guzan isn't over-exaggerating either.

5 0r 6 at best

Steer - 1.5m
Lowton -£2.5m
Bennett - 2m
Bacuna - 2.5m
Senderos - 4m
Vlaar - 12m (inflated price put on his neck
KEA - 3m
Richardson - 2m
Westwood - 4m
Benteke - 28m
Kozak - 7m

that still looks like a profit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:32:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2014, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Stumbled across this in a strange way but we had a scout at Brugge - Brondby tonight.

http://clubbrugge.be/nl/nieuws/18556/25-scouts-voor-club-brondby (http://clubbrugge.be/nl/nieuws/18556/25-scouts-voor-club-brondby)

I hope to god they weren't looking at any Brųndby players, with the possible exception of Simon Makeniok, a forward who's still young enough (23) to improve further and has been getting better with each season the last 2-3 years.

The rest of them can be summed up by the fact that their next 2 best players are former WBA record signing Marten Albrechtsen and John Elmander!

Haven't Brugge got a young centre back who supposed to be a bit special?  I'm sure I saw something about them a few weeks ago.

Quoting myself is bad but this is the kid I was on about - http://www.benefoot.net/jupiler-pro-league-revelations-4-bjorn-engels/ (http://www.benefoot.net/jupiler-pro-league-revelations-4-bjorn-engels/)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2014, 11:35:40 PM
Won't Senderos be about 32 in two years time (I'm guessing but he seems to be around forever). It's a moot point but unless MON gets back in the club game, who on earth is paying 4m for him?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.
I'd say £8m on Guzan isn't over-exaggerating either.

5 0r 6 at best
Norwich apparently quoted £8m for John Ruddy. There are probably four or five keepers in the league I'd swap Guzan for, and I don't think any of those would be leaving their clubs for less than £10m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 31, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.
I'd say £8m on Guzan isn't over-exaggerating either.

5 0r 6 at best

Steer - 1.5m
Lowton -£2.5m
Bennett - 2m
Bacuna - 2.5m
Senderos - 4m
Vlaar - 12m (inflated price put on his neck
KEA - 3m
Richardson - 2m
Westwood - 4m
Benteke - 28m
Kozak - 7m

that still looks like a profit.

Blimey Peter, I wish!! 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2014, 11:40:34 PM
So talk us through it. Apart from Senderos (which is a bit crazy) and possibly Steer, which of those do you disagree with and why?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 31, 2014, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2014, 11:32:20 PM
This Lambert flak with his signings baffles me. Yes there's been a few duds (tell me a manager that dosen't buy them) but come on Benteke and Vlaar for 10m was brilliant and stands up against many premier league managers for value I'd say.

The Lambert signings flak baffles you? Honestly?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 11:50:44 PM
Dave, Shall we just wait and see once that Scottish chap on Sky sports tells us "that's it til January" . At the moment, I am questioning why we are loaning players, rather than selling them? Is it because they are crap, unsellable, or we want to keep them because they might be worth something one day? Apparently, this adds up to nonsense according to you. Whereas, I feel it's a healthy debate with different posters being either overly optimistic, in my view, or genuinely saying it as they see it.

Benteke, brilliant signing. Should make a huge profit on him. Vlaar, yup, based on his world cup performances. Profit. The rest, let's wait and see. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2014, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

You see Dave, healthy debate. Not nonsense. The camp is split. Some of us think Lamberts signings are poor, with the odd exception, some think they are great and we'll make good profits.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 11:57:56 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

Good job he paid less than half that for them. And if they were for sale we'd almost certainly get the best part of £10m for them, if not a tad over.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

You see Dave, healthy debate. Not nonsense. The camp is split. Some of us think Lamberts signings are poor, with the odd exception, some think they are great and we'll make good profits.

And some think that although some of the signings haven't worked out we'd still make a profit on most of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:00:13 AM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:50:44 PM
Whereas, I feel it's a healthy debate with different posters being either overly optimistic, in my view, or genuinely saying it as they see it.
A healthy debate is two or more people arguing different points of view.

What we have here is one person veering randomly from point to point, ignoring 90% of what everyone else is saying and finishing by repeating his original post.

While everyone else gets bored and exasperated.

If I were so inclined I would waste another few minutes of my evening by pointing that if your whole point of questioning is "why are we loaning players when we could sell them" it seems to be based on a couple of reports that Middlesbrough "want to take Lowton on loan" (not that we want to loan him, or even want him to go anywhere) and something that is only happening in your own head that we're loaning Luna to Verona - when every single report says that we might be selling him to Verona.

Bugger, it appears that I've just wasted those few minutes after all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 12:00:40 AM
So as it stands Lowton could be off on Loan , a RB brought in to replace Hutton who 2 years of been loaned out and left to train with the kids could now in last year of contract be set to return as first choice RB.

At LB we are now on the 4th one of Lambert's reign.Started with Bennett , replaced with Luna who lasted half a season before being replaced with Bertrand on Loan.Now we have Richardson brought in and Luna seemingly leaving

Now is this Lamberts fault , could he have scouted better ? Is it Lerners fault should he have released more funds..at this point the only thing for sure is its nothing short of shambolic from all involved.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

You see Dave, healthy debate. Not nonsense. The camp is split. Some of us think Lamberts signings are poor, with the odd exception, some think they are great and we'll make good profits.
If somebody is saying that we paid £14m for those players, then yes they are talking nonsense. It's a bit like me saying "we won't get the £20m back that we paid for Kieron Richardson". It's a bit of a pointless argument to have in the first place. It's not healthy debate, it's arguing about made-up numbers.

I count £7m in transfer fees for those players, and that is being extremely pessimistic. If I'm wrong, feel free to itemise out those five transfer fees for us.

Edit - tell you what:

Lowton - £1m
Steer - £1.175m
Senderos - Free
El Ahmadi - £2m
Bennett - £3m (although most reports have it at £2.5m, I'm being generous).

Tell me where you gentlemen are getting £14m from?  I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 01, 2014, 12:08:11 AM
Let us be honest. If any of us were manager of Aston Villa and a player annoyed us by not moving further South, what would we deem the best punishment. Obviously you send then to Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2014, 12:11:22 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 31, 2014, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2014, 11:32:20 PM
This Lambert flak with his signings baffles me. Yes there's been a few duds (tell me a manager that dosen't buy them) but come on Benteke and Vlaar for 10m was brilliant and stands up against many premier league managers for value I'd say.


The Lambert signings flak baffles you? Honestly?

Yes because these poor signings have been on a pittance compared to say N'zogbia, Ireland, Hutton which was just shy of 25m in the McLeish era (plus Jenas on a ridiculous year long loan) and in the MON era Sidwell, Heskey, Davies, Knight, Shorey, Harewood, Beye cost just shy of 40m.

The issue has always been the dramatic cut in wages which means Lambert has to shop in the bargain basement which didn't apply to the three previous managers.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2014, 12:11:32 AM
Er, transfer speculation thread Dave. Different posters posting their opinions, you posting yours, me posting mine, them posting theirs. Loans, permanent transfers, whatever.  Two or more eh? Thanks for educating me. I am not in the know and have no idea if Luna, Lowton, et all are off  permanently or not. That's why we speculate. Hopefully, we make a profit!!

Go on Dave, please hold your breath. (Joke).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2014, 12:12:39 AM
Steer was less than a half million. Norwich cost themselves by taking us to tribunal and getting less than we offered such is their spite towards us. The rest is add-ons based on appearances. And I think they get a sell on percentage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 01, 2014, 12:11:32 AM
Er, transfer speculation thread Dave. Different posters posting their opinions, you posting yours, me posting mine, them posting theirs. Loans, permanent transfers, whatever.  Two or more eh? Thanks for educating me. I am not in the know and have no idea if Luna, Lowton, et all are off  permanently or not. That's why we speculate. Hopefully, we make a profit!!

Go on Dave, please hold your breath. (Joke).
I assume this is basically you saying "actually, all my posts from the last hour or so can be ignored because I have no idea what I'm talking about"?

I'm going to head of to bed now to be furious about the £40m that we paid for Tonev.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 12:18:26 AM
I'll agree with those values dave, they're certainly close, we'd almost certainly get that much back on them (as a group).  As said, all in £60-65m is a conservative estimate of what we'd get back.  Yes a lot of that is tied into Benteke and Vlaar (probably the best part of 2/3rds) but even still if you want a stick to beat Lambert with the potential profit on his transfers is a particularly bad choice.  If Okore and Kozak hadn't picked up injuries so early in their careers with us I'd suggest we'd have a few more in the 'major profit' category.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2014, 12:24:21 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 01, 2014, 12:11:32 AM
Er, transfer speculation thread Dave. Different posters posting their opinions, you posting yours, me posting mine, them posting theirs. Loans, permanent transfers, whatever.  Two or more eh? Thanks for educating me. I am not in the know and have no idea if Luna, Lowton, et all are off  permanently or not. That's why we speculate. Hopefully, we make a profit!!

Go on Dave, please hold your breath. (Joke).
I assume this is basically you saying "actually, all my posts from the last hour or so can be ignored because I have no idea what I'm talking about"?

I'm going to head of to bed now to be furious about the £40m that we paid for Tonev.

Is that it? That's your comeback? Jeez, other people debate and you go to bed in a huff because you can't think of anything more useful to say. Interesting that you decided to pick on just my post, when plenty of others have debated like I asked them to. Goodnight Dave.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:29:22 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 01, 2014, 12:24:21 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 01, 2014, 12:11:32 AM
Er, transfer speculation thread Dave. Different posters posting their opinions, you posting yours, me posting mine, them posting theirs. Loans, permanent transfers, whatever.  Two or more eh? Thanks for educating me. I am not in the know and have no idea if Luna, Lowton, et all are off  permanently or not. That's why we speculate. Hopefully, we make a profit!!

Go on Dave, please hold your breath. (Joke).
I assume this is basically you saying "actually, all my posts from the last hour or so can be ignored because I have no idea what I'm talking about"?

I'm going to head of to bed now to be furious about the £40m that we paid for Tonev.

Is that it? That's your comeback? Jeez, other people debate and you go to bed in a huff because you can't think of anything more useful to say. Interesting that you decided to pick on just my post, when plenty of others have debated like I asked them to. Goodnight Dave.
I assume by plenty of others you mean the chap who came up with the £14m figure that you're keen not to talk about anymore? We can bring it back if you like? No?

Anyone else in these 'others'?

I think there are still about a dozen points from five or six other posters stretching back about an hour now that you've conveniently bypassed. Head back to those and then maybe we have more 'useful debate' and a few more invented transfer fees.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 12:50:22 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 01, 2014, 12:24:21 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 01, 2014, 12:11:32 AM
Er, transfer speculation thread Dave. Different posters posting their opinions, you posting yours, me posting mine, them posting theirs. Loans, permanent transfers, whatever.  Two or more eh? Thanks for educating me. I am not in the know and have no idea if Luna, Lowton, et all are off  permanently or not. That's why we speculate. Hopefully, we make a profit!!

Go on Dave, please hold your breath. (Joke).
I assume this is basically you saying "actually, all my posts from the last hour or so can be ignored because I have no idea what I'm talking about"?

I'm going to head of to bed now to be furious about the £40m that we paid for Tonev.

Is that it? That's your comeback? Jeez, other people debate and you go to bed in a huff because you can't think of anything more useful to say. Interesting that you decided to pick on just my post, when plenty of others have debated like I asked them to. Goodnight Dave.

it might be worth heeding, not just in this discussion but in general, that if enough people are pointing out that you are talking nonsense, then you probably are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 01, 2014, 01:01:09 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2014, 12:12:39 AM
Steer was less than a half million. Norwich cost themselves by taking us to tribunal and getting less than we offered such is their spite towards us. The rest is add-ons based on appearances. And I think they get a sell on percentage.

I would like to offer them more than they paid for Ricky Van Wolfswinkel and then when we are about to shake on the deal do that thing where you pull your hand away, stick your thumb on your nose and give a sarcastic wave. Adding "I thought you wouldn't sell to us".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 01, 2014, 01:49:11 AM
Happy talk, keep talking happy talk.


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2014, 05:58:24 AM
a bit of Smith's might be more appropriate. What about Heaven Knows I'm (We're) Miserable Now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2014, 06:03:15 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 01, 2014, 05:58:24 AM
a bit of Smith's might be more appropriate. What about Heaven Knows I'm (We're) Miserable Now?

what about 'Seasons in the Sun'
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 01, 2014, 06:16:04 AM
What about "Busy doing nothing, working the whole day through trying to find lots of things not to do...."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 01, 2014, 07:32:46 AM
I din't think £4m for Senderos is overpriced at all. If we were to sell tomorro that is the going rate for a Premiership experienced, international centre-half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 01, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2014, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 01, 2014, 06:16:04 AM
What about "Busy doing nothing, working the whole day through trying to find lots of things not to do...."

damn, can you see into my soul? Or you talking about Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on August 01, 2014, 08:22:17 AM
Mirror rumour of Lowton being loaned to Middlesborough. Seems unlikely. They can have Bennett back, though!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
Matteo Bonetti ‏@TheCalcioGuy  4m
Juve tempted to reinforce defense with either Ron Vlaar or Savic, according to @Gazzetta_it

Would be slightly more worrying than an approach from Southampton...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
Any rumours anywhere of us buying someone?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 01, 2014, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
Profit on Benteke, Vlaar and Westwood, after that i'm struggling. Richardson as well obviously.

Westwood, Lowton and Bacuna couldn't have been £1m, otherwise how do the accounts show we've spent £42m quid?
guessing that also includes wages, insurance premiums etc? Apologies if someone else has suggested this already
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2014, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on August 01, 2014, 08:22:17 AM
Mirror rumour of Lowton being loaned to Middlesborough. Seems unlikely. They can have Bennett back, though!

few other sites say same
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2014, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 01, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos
Martin O Neill would.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 01, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: supertom on August 01, 2014, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 01, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos
Martin O Neill would.

I'd rather have Zat Knight than Senderos, there I SAID IT!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2014, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 01, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: supertom on August 01, 2014, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 01, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos
Martin O Neill would.

I'd rather have Zat Knight than Senderos, there I SAID IT!
I think I'm with you on that one.
I'd rather have Titus Bra...no...no...I've taken it too far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on August 01, 2014, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
Profit on Benteke, Vlaar and Westwood, after that i'm struggling. Richardson as well obviously.

Westwood, Lowton and Bacuna couldn't have been £1m, otherwise how do the accounts show we've spent £42m quid?
guessing that also includes wages, insurance premiums etc? Apologies if someone else has suggested this already

Wages have to be recognised as such on the accounts. I believe that would cover signing bonuses as well, I'm fairly certain that anything that would require tax and NI counts.

Insurance costs, agent fees and possibly contractual clauses might be there though. The last of those is the one I'm least sure about but I think bent counted as £24m in the accounts despite the fee being 18. I also think that most of those clauses got paid by the summer anyway.

That would mean that the potential cost for all his signings is £42m but the actual outgoing is less right now. It makes sense because the accounts need to present all the liabilities regardless of whether they are due.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:44:14 AM
For what it's worth I don't think it's a particularly outlandish debate to be having as to whether Lambert's signings would return a profit. For instance most of the people saying that they would are including Ron Vlaar as a definite profit because he'd fetch upward of £10m. But on other threads pepole are adamant that Vlaar won't be going this summer because no-one will pay that amount. The difference between what we value him at and what we'd actually get if we put him up for sale is surely a point worthy of debate?

The reality, as I see it, is that the jury's out on too many of Lambert's signings to really sit firmly on either side of the fence. We'd definitely make a huge profit on Benteke and definitely make small losses on the likes of Helenius, Luna, Bennett whilst (hopefully) breaking even on KEA. Kozak and Okore we just don;t know about, and I can understand the reluctance to credit Guzan's signing to Lambert in the sense that it wasn't like he was scouted by him. He also renewed Andy Marshall's contract, effectively retaining the status quo of the goalkeeping staff for his first season in charge.

Sales value depends on so much more than ability too, e.g contract length, injury history, is the player settled at the club?, etc. Therefore isn't the relevant question in all of this how many of the players have improved  since signing for us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 01, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
What do people think about the Scott Sinclair rumour? Have never seen that much of him.  Has been a lot of hype over the years, maybe has been unlucky at the bigger clubs.  I think he or Moses could improve us in that department.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2014, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 01, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
What do people think about the Scott Sinclair rumour? Have never seen that much of him.  Has been a lot of hype over the years, maybe has been unlucky at the bigger clubs.  I think he or Moses could improve us in that department.

He was at the pinstripeyfilth last season and hardly did a thing. Whether he was injured or just not picked I don't know.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:54:56 AM
I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. We have enough players carrying question marks over form and fitness without adding another.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on August 01, 2014, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:54:56 AM
I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. We have enough players carrying question marks over form and fitness without adding another.

If we cobble together enough crocks we should be able to put 11 of them out each week. Even if its a different 11 every time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 01, 2014, 10:08:36 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:54:56 AM
I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. We have enough players carrying question marks over form and fitness without adding another.

Was thinking his injury record could be a problem.  In that case I would go for Moses, still only 23, was good at Wigan (whose level we are realistically at now like it or not), will add a few goals, and should be committed to a new challenge.  Also, it would be a loan so if he doesn't produce we can always ship him back next year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:44:14 AM
For what it's worth I don't think it's a particularly outlandish debate to be having as to whether Lambert's signings would return a profit. For instance most of the people saying that they would are including Ron Vlaar as a definite profit because he'd fetch upward of £10m. But on other threads pepole are adamant that Vlaar won't be going this summer because no-one will pay that amount. The difference between what we value him at and what we'd actually get if we put him up for sale is surely a point worthy of debate?

The reality, as I see it, is that the jury's out on too many of Lambert's signings to really sit firmly on either side of the fence. We'd definitely make a huge profit on Benteke and definitely make small losses on the likes of Helenius, Luna, Bennett whilst (hopefully) breaking even on KEA. Kozak and Okore we just don;t know about, and I can understand the reluctance to credit Guzan's signing to Lambert in the sense that it wasn't like he was scouted by him. He also renewed Andy Marshall's contract, effectively retaining the status quo of the goalkeeping staff for his first season in charge.

Sales value depends on so much more than ability too, e.g contract length, injury history, is the player settled at the club?, etc. Therefore isn't the relevant question in all of this how many of the players have improved  since signing for us?

It really is outlandish, as said earlier, Benteke on his own gets back about 3/4s of the money Lambert has spent (there can be no debate that he'd be worth as much as Lukaku) at that point getting our money back on Okore and Kozak (which seems fair) and getting a decent profit on Vlaar means we're already in profit, that's without even looking at the other 15? players in the squad that he's signed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 01, 2014, 10:29:39 AM
Its always debatable how much managers think about these things when signing players.  Maybe Lambert was just thinking these are the sort of players who could get us competing in the top half of the table again and not worrying too much about how much we get when they leave.   Of course if we had kicked on like that then we might not be thinking about these things anywhere.   Am hopeing that someone like Kozak will stick around awhile and be a big player for us anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:44:14 AM
For what it's worth I don't think it's a particularly outlandish debate to be having as to whether Lambert's signings would return a profit. For instance most of the people saying that they would are including Ron Vlaar as a definite profit because he'd fetch upward of £10m. But on other threads pepole are adamant that Vlaar won't be going this summer because no-one will pay that amount. The difference between what we value him at and what we'd actually get if we put him up for sale is surely a point worthy of debate?

The reality, as I see it, is that the jury's out on too many of Lambert's signings to really sit firmly on either side of the fence. We'd definitely make a huge profit on Benteke and definitely make small losses on the likes of Helenius, Luna, Bennett whilst (hopefully) breaking even on KEA. Kozak and Okore we just don;t know about, and I can understand the reluctance to credit Guzan's signing to Lambert in the sense that it wasn't like he was scouted by him. He also renewed Andy Marshall's contract, effectively retaining the status quo of the goalkeeping staff for his first season in charge.

Sales value depends on so much more than ability too, e.g contract length, injury history, is the player settled at the club?, etc. Therefore isn't the relevant question in all of this how many of the players have improved  since signing for us?

It really is outlandish, as said earlier, Benteke on his own gets back about 3/4s of the money Lambert has spent (there can be no debate that he'd be worth as much as Lukaku) at that point getting our money back on Okore and Kozak (which seems fair) and getting a decent profit on Vlaar means we're already in profit, that's without even looking at the other 15? players in the squad that he's signed.

In which case you're saying that out of all of Lambert's signings only 2 would definitely return a profit? Three if you include Guzan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 01, 2014, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2014, 11:50:44 PM
Dave, Shall we just wait and see once that Scottish chap on Sky sports tells us "that's it til January" . At the moment, I am questioning why we are loaning players, rather than selling them? Is it because they are crap, unsellable, or we want to keep them because they might be worth something one day? Apparently, this adds up to nonsense according to you. Whereas, I feel it's a healthy debate with different posters being either overly optimistic, in my view, or genuinely saying it as they see it.

Benteke, brilliant signing. Should make a huge profit on him. Vlaar, yup, based on his world cup performances. Profit. The rest, let's wait and see.

Does the last sentence of your first paragraph basically mean those overly optimistic are lying as they are in fact not 'saying it as they see it'? As their view is different to yours? They must not be ay, must be lying for this healthy debate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
The profit on Benteke alone would cover most of his signings.

Whether we'd make a profit is not the correct way of assessing the signings.

If (hypothetically) you sign an entire first team, and your star player cost 5m and would fetch 50m, thus paying for the rest, then if the other 10 are mediocre players, you're not going to achieve much.

Our problem is that we have decent players in four positions - Guzan, Vlaar, Delph, Benteke - and then a load of players who generally aren't very good making up the rest of the team / squad.

When two of those four decent players get injured, then the situation looks even worse.

I think Kozak will turn out to be a good signing, and I hope Okore does as well, but we have far too many players who aren't up to it in the squad - which explains why we've finished 15th twice and 16th in the last three seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
Whether we'd make a profit is not the correct way of assessing the signings.

Completely agree. The potential profit that we'd make by selling Benteke doesn't paper over the fact that, at best, Lambert's transfer dealings have been hit and miss.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 09:44:14 AM
For what it's worth I don't think it's a particularly outlandish debate to be having as to whether Lambert's signings would return a profit. For instance most of the people saying that they would are including Ron Vlaar as a definite profit because he'd fetch upward of £10m. But on other threads pepole are adamant that Vlaar won't be going this summer because no-one will pay that amount. The difference between what we value him at and what we'd actually get if we put him up for sale is surely a point worthy of debate?

The reality, as I see it, is that the jury's out on too many of Lambert's signings to really sit firmly on either side of the fence. We'd definitely make a huge profit on Benteke and definitely make small losses on the likes of Helenius, Luna, Bennett whilst (hopefully) breaking even on KEA. Kozak and Okore we just don;t know about, and I can understand the reluctance to credit Guzan's signing to Lambert in the sense that it wasn't like he was scouted by him. He also renewed Andy Marshall's contract, effectively retaining the status quo of the goalkeeping staff for his first season in charge.

Sales value depends on so much more than ability too, e.g contract length, injury history, is the player settled at the club?, etc. Therefore isn't the relevant question in all of this how many of the players have improved  since signing for us?

It really is outlandish, as said earlier, Benteke on his own gets back about 3/4s of the money Lambert has spent (there can be no debate that he'd be worth as much as Lukaku) at that point getting our money back on Okore and Kozak (which seems fair) and getting a decent profit on Vlaar means we're already in profit, that's without even looking at the other 15? players in the squad that he's signed.

In which case you're saying that out of all of Lambert's signings only 2 would definitely return a profit? Three if you include Guzan?
No, I think he's saying that we wouldn't even need to bring them into the conversation.

As was covered at tedious length last night, Bacuna, Lowton, Westwood would comfortably turn a profit. Okore, Kozak, Cole, Senderos and Richardson would break even at very worst case scenario. Sylla, El Ahmadi and Helenius would possibly make their money back, or any loss is likely to be negligible.

We might take a bit of a hit on Bennett, Luna and Tonev unless they improve massively but I think we still wouldn't be giving them away for nothing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
As was covered at tedious length

Dave, you're free to spend your time as you wish. If you found it tedious then why bother responding, you're under no obligation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
As was covered at tedious length

Dave, you're free to spend your time as you wish. If you found it tedious then why bother responding, you're under no obligation.
I'm quite happy to respond, I'm just saying I found it a bit tedious last night with somebody else (not you) repeating his same fallacies over and over again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
As was covered at tedious length

Dave, you're free to spend your time as you wish. If you found it tedious then why bother responding, you're under no obligation.
I'm quite happy to respond, I'm just saying I found it a bit tedious last night with somebody else (not you) repeating his same fallacies over and over again.

Fair enough. I think Paulie's hit the nail on the head- whether or not we'd return an overall profit isn't really the best way of judging Lambert's record in the transfer market, which is what we're really debating (I think!).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
As was covered at tedious length

Dave, you're free to spend your time as you wish. If you found it tedious then why bother responding, you're under no obligation.
I'm quite happy to respond, I'm just saying I found it a bit tedious last night with somebody else (not you) repeating his same fallacies over and over again.

Fair enough. I think Paulie's hit the nail on the head- whether or not we'd return an overall profit isn't really the best way of judging Lambert's record in the transfer market, which is what we're really debating (I think!).
I'd happily agree with that. We're a football club, not a business set up for the trading of footballers.

It's pointless to say Lowton is a successful signing because we might get £2m if we sold him when we only bought him for £1m. Because as a club we need somebody playing at right back who is more valuable to us than to warrant a £2m transfer fee.

However I'd say it's even more pointless to argue that we would make a loss on him if we were to sell him, just because he's not quite good enough to be our first choice right-back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2014, 11:35:24 AM
And yet Dave, here we are, still debating it.

For the record, I am not on a wind up, calling anyone a liar etc. I just think that generally, Paul Lambert has bought badly and we won't make a profit on nearly all of his signings. Vlaar and Benteke together would pay back the money in one fell swoop, yes. I also think that some of the other hypothesized fees for players are a bit on the high side.

Meanwhile, hopefully, back to the incoming......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
However I'd say it's even more pointless to argue that we would make a loss on him if we were to sell him, just because he's not quite good enough to be our first choice right-back.

I'd agree with this, but it does re-raise the point that it (if we are loaning him to Middlesbrough) it's a very odd move. I'd love to think that it's a sensible move to give our (now) 3rd choice RB a guarantee of game time, but given our handling of (and ability to sell) the bomb-squad last summer, my fear is that it's just Lambert's way of ridding himself of the player and potentially freeing up a place in the 25-man squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2014, 11:49:01 AM
Player profit doesn't bother me in the slightest. If you're talking about the players we could sell on a profit, like Benteke, Vlaar, Guzan, Delph for example, these are players I'd rather keep hold of. What they might garner in fees doesn't bother me because if we sell them we might as well give up.

Regarding most of the other players in a squad, i'd not lose sleep over selling any of them to be honest. Would we get a profit on most of the remaining? No. But very few sides get great profits on players they've purchased, who are deemed surplus within a year or two. more often than not if you sell a player you deem to be surplus, or not good enough for your side, you're likely going to make a loss. You make the profit on the players who are key to your side because they have value. But of course, you just need to look at Southampton getting absolutely ripped apart to see that selling your best players, even for silly money isn't always a good idea.

Lowton, Bennett, Sylla, Tonev, Helenius, KEA, Luna, Bacuna, N'Zogbia, Bent, and more. They're expendable members of our squad. We'll lose money on the majority of them. They're a mix of past it, inconsistent or just plain not good enough.  Losing any of that lot won't really hurt us.
We might well get a lot of money for Vlaar or Benteke but losing them could be devastating.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
Bearing in mind we didn't make any profit on the likes of Warnock, NRC, Davies, Sidwell and Cuellar (who all cost us the best part of £40m) makes some of Lambert's buys a little easier to digest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 01, 2014, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

MON and King Kenny would pay 30M
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 01, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
Bearing in mind we didn't make any profit on the likes of Warnock, NRC, Davies, Sidwell and Cuellar (who all cost us the best part of £40m) makes some of Lambert's buys a little easier to digest.

Such a depressing waste of money , £8mil on NRC.. now we will be lucky to spend £8mil as our entire budget
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
You don't have to sell a player for their value to be higher, the key is what would it take a club to offer for us to consider making the sale, that's where the values of the likes of Vlaar and Benteke become relevant.

Aside from thatyou can't just use our finishing place in the league as the measure of how well Lambert has spent, it's just not that simple.  If Benteke and Kozak hadn't both got long term injuries we'd probably have finished higher in the league, would that make Tonev a better purchase? Man City won the league but you'd still say they didn't buy particularly well last summer (or the summer before really).

Lambert has done OK in the transfer market, not brilliantly but not badly enough to use it as a stick to beat him with.  It's how he used the signings and the signings that he hasn't made (in midfield) that have caused the problems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

except off course that he didn't, but don't let that startling fact get in the way of your perspective.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 01, 2014, 01:19:55 PM
Regardless of fees paid etc. I'd like to see what wages Lambert's signings have been earning compared to similar players in the division.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
Aside from that you can't just use our finishing place in the league as the measure of how well Lambert has spent, it's just not that simple. 

I would agree that our league position is down to more than our transfer dealings and that injuries and coaching (or lack off) are equally as important factors, but I do think that it has to be taken into account and not just by looking at individual purchases.

For instance, if you look at the signing of Kozak in isolation, there's every argument to be made that he'll turn out to be a good signing and value for money. If you consider that he spent £7m on a centre-forward when many thought our need for a 'number 10' was much greater then you could argue that it wasn't a great deal in the bigger scheme of things.

As I said earlier, I would describe Lambert's transfer dealings as 'hit & miss'. I wouldn't necessarily use it as a "stick to beat him with", but I do think it's perfectly understandable that some people are critical of it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2014, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
Lambert has done OK in the transfer market, not brilliantly but not badly enough to use it as a stick to beat him with.  It's how he used the signings and the signings that he hasn't made (in midfield) that have caused the problems.

That sums it up perfectly for me and besides, it's not as if his signings are going to leave us horribly out of pocket.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 01, 2014, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 10:15:23 AM


It really is outlandish, as said earlier, Benteke on his own gets back about 3/4s of the money Lambert has spent (there can be no debate that he'd be worth as much as Lukaku)

I'd say there is plenty of debate, as far as that one is concerned. 

Chelsea signed Lukaku for £18 million.   He hasn't declined in ability since he signed for them, and he's still only 21, so no club was realistically going to bid less than £20 million and be in with a chance of signing him.

Lukaku has had two good seasons in the topflight, Benteke only one. 

We are on our uppers financially, Chelsea are not. Aside from FFP (which seems to go out of the window if Jose wants a player badly enough) Chelsea don't need to sell. That always strengthens the hand of any potential seller.  We have been playing poormouth for the past three/ four years, clubs will bid accordingly.

Benteke is also just completing rehab on a injury that has curtailed careers in the past (I know Lukaku was out for a while last season too, but he did return for the end of the campaign and didn't look like he'd lost a yard of pace).  So if we were selling now -this summer- on the basis of only one good season in the topflight and question marks hanging over his fitness, we'd do well to get £15-18 million. 

If he has a season anywhere near as good as 2012/13 next year, then we might be attracting bids closer to £30 million.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 01, 2014, 01:27:23 PM
Just writing off player "lesser player" values as expendable is, to me, going too far in the opposite direction from buying with an eye on profit.

It's exactly these contracts that must be managed prudently, to give as much cash as possible for re-investment.  You'll always have players that don't work out, or were a bit of a punt, but how much better off would we have been if we'd recovered just 20% of the transfer fees on contracts that were run down over the last 6-7 years?

Your better players, hopefully, are giving you sufficient benefit on the pitch to negate too many worries about losing value on them.  Darren Bent is a classic example.  Regardless of whether he cost £18 or 24M, he's pretty much paid his way, even allowing for his wages, by scoring enough goals in the first 12 months to keep us in the PL two years running.

As much as it grieves me to say anything good about Ferguson and Man Utd, managing the squad has been yet another area where they truly excelled for years.

Squad players and youngsters who weren't quite good enough got just enough exposure to keep them in eyesight to give them a sales value as soon as anyone came knocking

More important players were ruthlessly shipped out as soon as there was any sign of not contributing enough, usually at a vastly inflated price.

Some of this could be [pukes] "the brand" [/pukes] whereby some managers / chairmen will pay over the odds for their cast-offs because, well they Man U players, how shit can they be?

Anyway with regards future signings - ABB - Anyone but Bendtner, who is worryingly still clubless (and clueless).
Morten Olsen has come out this week and basically told him he's got 4 weeks to salvage his career, as the only thing that matters now is game time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on August 01, 2014, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
Profit on Benteke, Vlaar and Westwood, after that i'm struggling. Richardson as well obviously.

Westwood, Lowton and Bacuna couldn't have been £1m, otherwise how do the accounts show we've spent £42m quid?
guessing that also includes wages, insurance premiums etc? Apologies if someone else has suggested this already

It doesn't, it's fees alone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 01:49:31 PM
Quote
but how much better off would we have been if we'd recovered just 20% of the transfer fees on contracts that were run down over the last 6-7 years?[/qoute]


It's a terrifying thought isn't it? Even as far back as players like Alpay we've 'cut our losses' on so many deals it's untrue.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

Where has it been proven?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nirog72 on August 01, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
No signings on the horizon then chaps?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 01, 2014, 02:00:47 PM
Yes - Jed Steer has gone to Doncaster Rovers for three months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2014, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
You don't have to sell a player for their value to be higher, the key is what would it take a club to offer for us to consider making the sale, that's where the values of the likes of Vlaar and Benteke become relevant.

Aside from thatyou can't just use our finishing place in the league as the measure of how well Lambert has spent, it's just not that simple.  If Benteke and Kozak hadn't both got long term injuries we'd probably have finished higher in the league, would that make Tonev a better purchase? Man City won the league but you'd still say they didn't buy particularly well last summer (or the summer before really).

Finishing place is a pretty decent measure of squad strength, though, and our squad looks - to me - like a bottom six squad.

Also worth pointing out that every club has injuries, we're never going to have a season when that doesn't happen to us. What happened when we lost our best player wasn't pretty, no, but the flip side of that is that it exposed the deep lack of quality in the squad.

We could have finished higher last season, yes - if he'd bought the midfielders we clearly need, if he'd got in better options at centre half, if he hadn't bought two absolute planks of left backs, if lots of things.

We didn't, though, and that was the third desperately poor season on the bounce. The squad was poor when Lambert came here, that's true, and the first of those three years wasn't down to him as he wasn't here, but although Vlaar and Benteke have been good signings, the rest of them really haven't been good enough.

Not only in terms of signings, but the management of the squad was abysmal - what an absurd situation developed around the bomb squad, for example. Poor, poor management, I'm afraid.

The squad is nothing like good enough, it is a world away from the squads of clubs we were competing with in recent memory (not just the monied clubs, but take a look at Everton), and that is down in large part to the signings Lambert has made.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 01, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
We are supposed to showing an interest in Danny Batth. Lambert planning a 5mil bid. Could mean Ron's off somewhere. Could mean nothing at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
Apparently Jed Steer has gone on loan to Doncaster for 3 months
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 02:20:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 01, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
We are supposed to showing an interest in Danny Batth. Lambert planning a 5mil bid. Could mean Ron's off somewhere. Could mean nothing at all.

Replacing Ron with a Third Division centre half? That would be throwing the baby out with the batthwater...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 02:23:38 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2014/08/01/hands-off-danny-batth-wolves-warn-rivals/
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2014, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
You don't have to sell a player for their value to be higher, the key is what would it take a club to offer for us to consider making the sale, that's where the values of the likes of Vlaar and Benteke become relevant.

Aside from thatyou can't just use our finishing place in the league as the measure of how well Lambert has spent, it's just not that simple.  If Benteke and Kozak hadn't both got long term injuries we'd probably have finished higher in the league, would that make Tonev a better purchase? Man City won the league but you'd still say they didn't buy particularly well last summer (or the summer before really).

Finishing place is a pretty decent measure of squad strength, though, and our squad looks - to me - like a bottom six squad.

Also worth pointing out that every club has injuries, we're never going to have a season when that doesn't happen to us. What happened when we lost our best player wasn't pretty, no, but the flip side of that is that it exposed the deep lack of quality in the squad.

We could have finished higher last season, yes - if he'd bought the midfielders we clearly need, if he'd got in better options at centre half, if he hadn't bought two absolute planks of left backs, if lots of things.

We didn't, though, and that was the third desperately poor season on the bounce. The squad was poor when Lambert came here, that's true, and the first of those three years wasn't down to him as he wasn't here, but although Vlaar and Benteke have been good signings, the rest of them really haven't been good enough.

Not only in terms of signings, but the management of the squad was abysmal - what an absurd situation developed around the bomb squad, for example. Poor, poor management, I'm afraid.

The squad is nothing like good enough, it is a world away from the squads of clubs we were competing with in recent memory (not just the monied clubs, but take a look at Everton), and that is down in large part to the signings Lambert has made.

Every team gets injuries, not many teams have 2 players ruled out for the seasn by the start of september and then lose their main striker and his primary backup for a big chunk of the season.  The reality is we were never out of the top 6 for most injuries at any point in the season, the only other side with the same consistent problems all season was Arsenal.  Every club gets injuries, but we've had some horrific luck with them in the last few years, 14 first team players out for 2 games in Houllier's season was a low but we got to 10 at one point last season as well.

I've given my opinion on the bomb squad before but to reiterate every club has players who clearly aren't going to get a game and who don't have much training with the main squad, the main difference is most clubs don't have people in the media wanting to paint them as a club in crisis and don't get given such an easy to use soundbite by one of those players.

Last season we spent a lot of time looking likely to finish 10-12 in the league, it was only a late collapse that stopped that being the case. I think that would've been a fair position, yes the football was uninspiring but that's not what's being debated.

I think a lot of the problem is that we analyse the weaknesses of our players and make a bigger deal of them than we do for players at other clubs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
no approach for Batth from anyone apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 01, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
no approach for Batth from anyone apparently.

Smelly bastards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
yes, what a shower
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on August 01, 2014, 02:50:09 PM
I'd imagine if we were really interested we'd be able to force it through without tapping him up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 02:51:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 02:27:30 PM
I've given my opinion on the bomb squad before but to reiterate every club has players who clearly aren't going to get a game and who don't have much training with the main squad, the main difference is most clubs don't have people in the media wanting to paint them as a club in crisis and don't get given such an easy to use soundbite by one of those players.

I'm sorry, but I can't think of one other club who have a situation comparable to the bomb-squad. Yes, other clubs have players who are made to train away from the first-team squad for various reasons, but not in the numbers that we did, and purely because we want them removing from the wage-bill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 01, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Lambert pulled the plug on that one apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2014, 02:53:16 PM
Benteke played for us in 26 league games last season, it's not as if he hardly figured.

Not too sure about a late collapse - in the second half of the season, we won 5 out of 19 matches, drew 3 and lost the rest - 18 points from 57. That's not a lot of points over a long period of time, not just a poor run-in.

I'd also say that looking like we were going to finish 12th or so is one thing, but "only" a late collapse messing it up - the season is played over 38 games, we didn't have the squad to handle it.

I agree, there are teams who have players they don't want to use - but in our case I'd argue we might have considered using those players rather than ostracising them because we paid them too much (as Lambert confirmed over Hutton). We were paying them anyway. To then see one of them ending up acting as temporary assistant manager at the end of the season just added another chunk of the surreal to it all.

The main problem we had last year was the paucity of options in midfield, and that's an area of the park that Lambert hasn't even got near addressing properly at any point - not even now, with the addition of a 33 year old who hasn't done anything for years and is made of glass.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 01, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Lambert pulled the plug on that one apparently.

This joke's going to run and run isn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 01, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Lambert pulled the plug on that one apparently.

This joke's going to run and run isn't it?

Like a soap opera.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 02:58:25 PM
Sky sports news Villa sign Bertrand on season long loan. Am I missing something or what?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 02:58:25 PM
Sky sports news Villa sign Bertrand on season long loan. Am I missing something or what?

Is it this you are looking at:

https://twitter.com/SlowSportsNews
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 02:58:25 PM
Sky sports news Villa sign Bertrand on season long loan. Am I missing something or what?

You're just confusing the team you've supported all of your life with Southampton. It's easily done.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 02:58:25 PM
Sky sports news Villa sign Bertrand on season long loan. Am I missing something or what?

You're just confusing the team you've supported all of your life with Southampton. It's easily done.
No the blond haired bird just reported it bout 10mins ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 03:04:42 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 02:58:25 PM
Sky sports news Villa sign Bertrand on season long loan. Am I missing something or what?

You're just confusing the team you've supported all of your life with Southampton. It's easily done.
No the blond haired bird just reported it bout 10mins ago.

She's confused I think;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28576393
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andyaston on August 01, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
He is at Southampton, there are photos of him proudly holding a Saints shirt if you google his name.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 01, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 02:58:25 PM
Sky sports news Villa sign Bertrand on season long loan. Am I missing something or what?

You're just confusing the team you've supported all of your life with Southampton. It's easily done.
No the blond haired bird just reported it bout 10mins ago.

I'm really pissed off! We seem to be selling all our best players.

I also haven't seen anything akin to the bomb squad anywhere else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
Hangeeland joins palace on 1 year deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Simon Ward on August 01, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
I see Jed Steer has gone on loan to Doncaster for 3 months, must mean Shay Given has a role to play!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on August 01, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
I see Jed Steer has gone on loan to Doncaster for 3 months, must mean Shay Given has a role to play!

There's an echo in here
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 01, 2014, 02:51:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 02:27:30 PM
I've given my opinion on the bomb squad before but to reiterate every club has players who clearly aren't going to get a game and who don't have much training with the main squad, the main difference is most clubs don't have people in the media wanting to paint them as a club in crisis and don't get given such an easy to use soundbite by one of those players.

I'm sorry, but I can't think of one other club who have a situation comparable to the bomb-squad. Yes, other clubs have players who are made to train away from the first-team squad for various reasons, but not in the numbers that we did, and purely because we want them removing from the wage-bill.

How much would you care though?  That's largely my point with the last line, we don't pay anything like as much attention to other clubs as we do to Villa.  The reality is we had some players we didn't want and all of them ended up out on loan or sold for a big chunk of the season, how is that any different to any other club? If no one had used the term bomb squad would it be such a big deal to have players who were clearly available for loans/transfers?  I find the criticism of it is massively out of proportion with what actually happened.  As for the reason what does it matter why we wanted them out, no club wants to be paying the wages of players they don't want so every player who is made available for loan or sale and is above about 24 is a case of wanting them off the wage bill. Villa fans have become so obsessed with the concept that players like Luna are referred to as this seasons bomb squad, do fans of anyone else use shit from the press to beat their own club so eagerly?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2014, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on August 01, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
I see Jed Steer has gone on loan to Doncaster for 3 months, must mean Shay Given has a role to play!

Makes sense as Steer has only featured in cup games for us. May as well send him on loan to play and keep Shay as back up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: andyaston on August 01, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
He is at Southampton, there are photos of him proudly holding a Saints shirt if you google his name.
Thank God for that on 2 counts. Firstly, he never set the world on fire whilst here last season and secondly,  I'm not going barmy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

Where has it been proven?

Lambert himself has said that both fees were not what was reported and I believe he even went as far as saying they were under a million in each case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

Where has it been proven?

Lambert himself has said that both fees were not what was reported and I believe he even went as far as saying they were under a million in each case.

Yeah, but he's all part of the evil conspiracy to make it look like we've signed cheap players when we haven't.

And what about the way he mumbles? It's a disgrace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andyaston on August 01, 2014, 03:55:51 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on August 01, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: andyaston on August 01, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
He is at Southampton, there are photos of him proudly holding a Saints shirt if you google his name.
Thank God for that on 2 counts. Firstly, he never set the world on fire whilst here last season and secondly,  I'm not going barmy.

I totally agree with you
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2014, 04:10:27 PM
Imagine the jealousy we must cause, our sub goalie is on 70k per week. I hope we avoid Barcelona up until the final this year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?

Picking off their stars before they've even become stars. That's how far ahead of the game we are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?

2 Youth players they released
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

Where has it been proven?

Lambert himself has said that both fees were not what was reported and I believe he even went as far as saying they were under a million in each case.

The ex CEO and company accounts showed he was talking bollocks though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 01, 2014, 04:38:43 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

Where has it been proven?

Lambert himself has said that both fees were not what was reported and I believe he even went as far as saying they were under a million in each case.

The ex CEO and company accounts showed he was talking bollocks though.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 01, 2014, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

We didnt.  My friend works for the bank (HSBC) tht insured the signing.  We paid 4m Euro's upfront.  Then further installments based on appearances and goals
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 01, 2014, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 01, 2014, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

We didnt.  My friend works for the bank (HSBC) tht insured the signing.  We paid 4m Euro's upfront.  Then further installments based on appearances and goals

I hope your friend enjoys looking for a new job when his employers find out he has breached client confidentiality!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 01, 2014, 04:59:48 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 01, 2014, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 01, 2014, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
I'd be willing to bet we didn't spend £7m on Kozak. Just like it has been proven we didn't spend the initial reported fees on the likes of Westwood or Lowton etc.

We didnt.  My friend works for the bank (HSBC) tht insured the signing.  We paid 4m Euro's upfront.  Then further installments based on appearances and goals

I hope your friend enjoys looking for a new job when his employers find out he has breached client confidentiality!

Ha, I dont think the news is going to go viral after being on Heroes and Villains, do you? 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?

2 Youth players they released
Are they likely to get squad numbers or just go into the youth pool?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2014, 05:13:55 PM
I'd rather have them at the training ground. Couldn't care less if they're any good at swimming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Seems we are basically shopping on a budget that would be decent ..if it was 1995
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 01, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Seems we are basically shopping on a budget that would be decent ..if it was 1995

In our dreams, didn't we splash £9mill on Southgate, Draper and Savo that summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?

2 Youth players they released
Are they likely to get squad numbers or just go into the youth pool?

I think they're both 16 so youth pool, they've both appeared in the youth team squad games in pre-season, they had a half each in the game yesterday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 01, 2014, 06:14:35 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 01, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Seems we are basically shopping on a budget that would be decent ..if it was 1995

In our dreams, didn't we splash £9mill on Southgate, Draper and Savo that summer.

Happy days indeed
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?

2 Youth players they released
Are they likely to get squad numbers or just go into the youth pool?

I think they're both 16 so youth pool, they've both appeared in the youth team squad games in pre-season, they had a half each in the game yesterday.

I'm pretty sure both are 18 as they signed pro contracts with us iirc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 07:51:55 PM
Southampton have nurtured some real gems so let's hope we've got at least one here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2014, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
The sky info bar shows we have signed 2 players from Southampton ? T Leggett and somebody else ? Are they youth players ?

2 Youth players they released
Are they likely to get squad numbers or just go into the youth pool?

I think they're both 16 so youth pool, they've both appeared in the youth team squad games in pre-season, they had a half each in the game yesterday.

I'm pretty sure both are 18 as they signed pro contracts with us iirc.

looking into it I think you're right, I was sure I read they were 16 when we signed them
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 01, 2014, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 01, 2014, 07:51:55 PM
Southampton have nurtured some real gems so let's hope we've got at least one here.

They released them so let's not get too excited!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2014, 04:07:33 AM
Don't know anything about him....nor if it's true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2713689/Aston-Villa-told-Wolves-defender-Danny-Batth-not-sale-prepare-bids-Dutch-World-Cup-star-Ron-Vlaar.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2014, 07:32:08 AM
He may be a good player. But if we replace vlaar with someone who's never even played second tier football I think I may cry
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2014, 10:24:07 AM
Lets have the next Mellberg please. I don't want to be worrying about losing Vlaar, I want us to be actively looking to buy someone better to partner Ron. Just a modicum of ambition would be nice at this point. I always felt would make our more significant signings in the last two weeks of August, so I'm not going to worry (too much) just yet, but we've definitely got to make 2-3 signings yet, and if Ron goes the replacement needs to be decent, and proven.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 02, 2014, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2014, 04:07:33 AM
Don't know anything about him....nor if it's true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2713689/Aston-Villa-told-Wolves-defender-Danny-Batth-not-sale-prepare-bids-Dutch-World-Cup-star-Ron-Vlaar.html
£5m seems a lot , he's under a new 3 year deal and wolves don't want to sell. Wonder if we've tapped him up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 02, 2014, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2014, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2014, 04:07:33 AM
Don't know anything about him....nor if it's true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2713689/Aston-Villa-told-Wolves-defender-Danny-Batth-not-sale-prepare-bids-Dutch-World-Cup-star-Ron-Vlaar.html
£5m seems a lot , he's under a new 3 year deal and wolves don't want to sell. Wonder if we've tapped him up.
Or it's a load of bull?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 02, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 02, 2014, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2014, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2014, 04:07:33 AM
Don't know anything about him....nor if it's true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2713689/Aston-Villa-told-Wolves-defender-Danny-Batth-not-sale-prepare-bids-Dutch-World-Cup-star-Ron-Vlaar.html
£5m seems a lot , he's under a new 3 year deal and wolves don't want to sell. Wonder if we've tapped him up.
Or it's a load of bull?

If true he is too much of a gamble at that price too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 02, 2014, 11:33:10 AM
Luna out on loan , seems even the cheap buys we can't fully get rid of
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I think most people are missing a couple of very big points when talking about 'bomb squads', moving players out on loan, selling players at a loss and current value of players.  The transfer window and the allowable squad size are the main drivers behind these issues.

When you do not have a great deal of money to buy players and pay the wages, you are constantly looking for bargains that could quickly develop.  At the end of a season, the club is looking forward to the next season and trying to bring new players in early.  This will mean that your squad has grown above the permitted number and you then either have players you have to sell, loan out or they end up on the sidelines in a 'bomb squad'.  I should imagine that the coaches only want to have the first team squad training together as trying to use 'bomb squad' players in training is counterproductive due to numbers and potentially being disruptive.

The alternative to the above is to wait until you have cleared out last seasons 'want to get rid of' players and then bring in new but as we can all see, it is difficult to move on average/poor players these days.  The main reason is wages.  Gone are the days when players could slide down the league as the gap between PL wages and Championship or lower is too great.  Sitting and waiting to get rid of players is just not possible with a transfer window and a limited supply of value for money players.

The 'bomb squad' term was blown out of proportion as the media/fans wanted to use the issue to hammer the club/manager by trying to cause division.  There were never enough players for even a 5-a-side squad.  They were left on the sidelines as we had brought in players to replace them and no other club saw them as value for money signings or loan players.

Our problem in gambling on lower cost signings means a high turnover of players when they do not make the grade.  This then creates the impression that the manager does not know what he is doing regarding being able to buy good players.  The way I saw it last summer was that Lambert focused his main money on a new central defender and a replacement for Benteke that could get up to speed during the season, prior to Benteke leaving this summer.  As things worked out with Benteke getting injured, he will not be moving on this summer and so we are back to where we were 12 months ago on this one.  The remainder of the money last summer was spent on low cost value for money signings with the hope that some would come off.  Unfortunately for one reason or another, very few came off and in my mind only Bacuna did.

I am hoping that Lambert has gone about it the opposite way around in that he is waiting on his big money (not much in our case!) signing and that is going to be a quality midfield player.  Rather than numerous low cost relatively unknown signings, he has gone for cheap experience by bringing in a couple and using some that we previously tried to get rid of.  In addition to this, he is looking at some of the young players that he has seen come through the ranks as opposed to those already at first team level when he came into the job. 

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 02, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 02, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I think most people are missing a couple of very big points when talking about 'bomb squads', moving players out on loan, selling players at a loss and current value of players.  The transfer window and the allowable squad size are the main drivers behind these issues.

When you do not have a great deal of money to buy players and pay the wages, you are constantly looking for bargains that could quickly develop.  At the end of a season, the club is looking forward to the next season and trying to bring new players in early.  This will mean that your squad has grown above the permitted number and you then either have players you have to sell, loan out or they end up on the sidelines in a 'bomb squad'.  I should imagine that the coaches only want to have the first team squad training together as trying to use 'bomb squad' players in training is counterproductive due to numbers and potentially being disruptive.

The alternative to the above is to wait until you have cleared out last seasons 'want to get rid of' players and then bring in new but as we can all see, it is difficult to move on average/poor players these days.  The main reason is wages.  Gone are the days when players could slide down the league as the gap between PL wages and Championship or lower is too great.  Sitting and waiting to get rid of players is just not possible with a transfer window and a limited supply of value for money players.

The 'bomb squad' term was blown out of proportion as the media/fans wanted to use the issue to hammer the club/manager by trying to cause division.  There were never enough players for even a 5-a-side squad.  They were left on the sidelines as we had brought in players to replace them and no other club saw them as value for money signings or loan players.

Our problem in gambling on lower cost signings means a high turnover of players when they do not make the grade.  This then creates the impression that the manager does not know what he is doing regarding being able to buy good players.  The way I saw it last summer was that Lambert focused his main money on a new central defender and a replacement for Benteke that could get up to speed during the season, prior to Benteke leaving this summer.  As things worked out with Benteke getting injured, he will not be moving on this summer and so we are back to where we were 12 months ago on this one.  The remainder of the money last summer was spent on low cost value for money signings with the hope that some would come off.  Unfortunately for one reason or another, very few came off and in my mind only Bacuna did.

I am hoping that Lambert has gone about it the opposite way around in that he is waiting on his big money (not much in our case!) signing and that is going to be a quality midfield player.  Rather than numerous low cost relatively unknown signings, he has gone for cheap experience by bringing in a couple and using some that we previously tried to get rid of.  In addition to this, he is looking at some of the young players that he has seen come through the ranks as opposed to those already at first team level when he came into the job. 

 
Good explanation of the situation I think although I'm not sure about Bacuna. I hope you are right about keeping all the available money - if there is any - for one key signing. The problem is with the Club's reputation at almost an all-time low who is likely to come unless it is just for money? Also love the name - could be me!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2014, 02:04:32 PM

As it stands, we have 5 centre backs. We're not going to have 5 centre backs listed in a 25 man squad so who's going to drop out ?. With Lambert's seemingly bizarre faith in Baker last season i'm starting to think if Vlaar does go we'll plough on with the other four and not replace him

#shudder
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 02, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2014, 02:04:32 PM

As it stands, we have 5 centre backs. We're not going to have 5 centre backs listed in a 25 man squad so who's going to drop out ?. With Lambert's seemingly bizarre faith in Baker last season i'm starting to think if Vlaar does go we'll plough on with the other four and not replace him

#shudder

Depends if his 'plan' is mainly playing 3CB's. If it is as we suspect, we'd need 5. Unless he keeps using herd as a makeshift CB. Oh god I'm bringing myself down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mrastonvilla on August 02, 2014, 02:19:31 PM
It looks like we will play 3 at the back for some of the games this season. Having tried Herd and Westwood out as part of the defence in preseason lets hope that we are looking at Batth from wolves because neither have been particularly convincing in this position rather than as a Vlaar replacement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2014, 02:23:06 PM
My take is that herd is there to fill a position and allow is to try 352. He'll have five centre backs ahead of him in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 02, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2014, 02:23:06 PM
My take is that herd is there to fill a position and allow is to try 352. He'll have five centre backs ahead of him in the pecking order.

That's how i see it. Vlaar replacement HAS to be proven if he goes, not this wolves lad. They can have Baker if they want swapsies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
There will be 8/9 defenders listed in the 25. I assume those are Hutton, Baker, Clark, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Donacien, Bennett and Stevens. I hope Herd is not in the 25. Richardson will be in midfield list but  I guess players don't have to listed by position  only  by 25 names?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 02, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
For those who are worrying over bringing in central defenders with no top league experience, without giving it too much thought, we signed both Chris Nicholl and Leighton Phillips both of whom had never played top flight football.  They learnt on the job with us and IIRC neither made too many mistakes.  I will add though, that both of these players moved into decent sides we had at the time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
Ahaa Leighton Phillips one of my favourites. Elegant footballing class  oozed from that man.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 02, 2014, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 02, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
For those who are worrying over bringing in central defenders with no top league experience, without giving it too much thought, we signed both Chris Nicholl and Leighton Phillips both of whom had never played top flight football.  They learnt on the job with us and IIRC neither made too many mistakes.  I will add though, that both of these players moved into decent sides we had at the time.

Well I do have hope for Clark, out of him and Baker he looks more like the one who could become a really solid player, he just needs time.  So then it just depends on if we can keep Okore fit, if he turns out to be a good buy, and if he and Vlaar can strike up an understanding, if so then we may not need to buy in that area.  Notice I managed not to mention that Vlaar might leave, OPPS...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 02, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
Ahaa Leighton Phillips one of my favourites. Elegant footballing class  oozed from that man.

Do you remember a home match against Spurs where, I think it was Terry Naylor fouled Phillips in midfield ending up with Naylor on the floor with Phillips standing over him?  What happened next was Phillips looked up to see where the ref was, saw he wasn't looking then grabbed Naylor by the shirt front lifting him up from the ground then nutting him!  Brilliant, as he ran back towards the Holte to rapturous cheers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 02, 2014, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
Ahaa Leighton Phillips one of my favourites. Elegant footballing class  oozed from that man.

Wonderful cultured player. Class of the highest order.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 02, 2014, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 02, 2014, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
Ahaa Leighton Phillips one of my favourites. Elegant footballing class  oozed from that man.

Wonderful cultured player. Class of the highest order.

I once saw Phillips gather the ball on his own goal line after it beat the keeper, and as he was being closed down by two opponents; instead of just booting it away ASAP, he did a drag back with the sole of his boot and come away with the ball leaving two players in his wake.  He then played the ball out of defence to...yes you've got it, one of his own players.  As you say, he oozed class.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 02, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
For those who are worrying over bringing in central defenders with no top league experience, without giving it too much thought, we signed both Chris Nicholl and Leighton Phillips both of whom had never played top flight football.  They learnt on the job with us and IIRC neither made too many mistakes.  I will add though, that both of these players moved into decent sides we had at the time.

They moved into third/second division sides respectively and had time to improve their game as our team improved.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 02, 2014, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2014, 02:04:32 PM

As it stands, we have 5 centre backs. We're not going to have 5 centre backs listed in a 25 man squad so who's going to drop out ?. With Lambert's seemingly bizarre faith in Baker last season i'm starting to think if Vlaar does go we'll plough on with the other four and not replace him

#shudder

I'm sure you're right, Herd and Lowton can both play there and Donacien has just signed a new contract.  Senderos was Vlaar's replacement before he left, bit like Sidwell was Barry's and Kozak Benteke's.  Remember in Lambo's 1st season he ran with just Baker, Clark and Herd with Vlaar out injured and last year just Vlaar, Baker and Clark with Herd and Okore unavailable, so to have four fit front line centre halves in Senderos, Okore, Clark and Baker plus Lowton, Herd and Donacien, I think he'll prioritise signings elsewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2014, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
There will be 8/9 defenders listed in the 25. I assume those are Hutton, Baker, Clark, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Donacien, Bennett and Stevens.
Donacien won't be listed in the 25 will he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 02, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2014, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
There will be 8/9 defenders listed in the 25. I assume those are Hutton, Baker, Clark, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Donacien, Bennett and Stevens.
Donacien won't be listed in the 25 will he?

Isn't he under 21 and therefore not required to be listed...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pooligan on August 03, 2014, 12:00:53 AM
I well remember that incident when Phillips nutted Naylor,it happened just in front of where i was sitting .I was told at the time by one of the reserve team players i use to chat to that Phillips was probably the hardest man at the club and nobody messed with him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2014, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 02, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2014, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
There will be 8/9 defenders listed in the 25. I assume those are Hutton, Baker, Clark, Okore, Vlaar, Senderos, Donacien, Bennett and Stevens.
Donacien won't be listed in the 25 will he?

Isn't he under 21 and therefore not required to be listed...?
Exactly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 03, 2014, 12:07:45 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 02, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I think most people are missing a couple of very big points when talking about 'bomb squads', moving players out on loan, selling players at a loss and current value of players.  The transfer window and the allowable squad size are the main drivers behind these issues.

When you do not have a great deal of money to buy players and pay the wages, you are constantly looking for bargains that could quickly develop.  At the end of a season, the club is looking forward to the next season and trying to bring new players in early.  This will mean that your squad has grown above the permitted number and you then either have players you have to sell, loan out or they end up on the sidelines in a 'bomb squad'.  I should imagine that the coaches only want to have the first team squad training together as trying to use 'bomb squad' players in training is counterproductive due to numbers and potentially being disruptive.

The alternative to the above is to wait until you have cleared out last seasons 'want to get rid of' players and then bring in new but as we can all see, it is difficult to move on average/poor players these days.  The main reason is wages.  Gone are the days when players could slide down the league as the gap between PL wages and Championship or lower is too great.  Sitting and waiting to get rid of players is just not possible with a transfer window and a limited supply of value for money players.

The 'bomb squad' term was blown out of proportion as the media/fans wanted to use the issue to hammer the club/manager by trying to cause division.  There were never enough players for even a 5-a-side squad.  They were left on the sidelines as we had brought in players to replace them and no other club saw them as value for money signings or loan players.

Our problem in gambling on lower cost signings means a high turnover of players when they do not make the grade.  This then creates the impression that the manager does not know what he is doing regarding being able to buy good players.  The way I saw it last summer was that Lambert focused his main money on a new central defender and a replacement for Benteke that could get up to speed during the season, prior to Benteke leaving this summer.  As things worked out with Benteke getting injured, he will not be moving on this summer and so we are back to where we were 12 months ago on this one.  The remainder of the money last summer was spent on low cost value for money signings with the hope that some would come off.  Unfortunately for one reason or another, very few came off and in my mind only Bacuna did.

I am hoping that Lambert has gone about it the opposite way around in that he is waiting on his big money (not much in our case!) signing and that is going to be a quality midfield player.  Rather than numerous low cost relatively unknown signings, he has gone for cheap experience by bringing in a couple and using some that we previously tried to get rid of.  In addition to this, he is looking at some of the young players that he has seen come through the ranks as opposed to those already at first team level when he came into the job. 

The first main point that you haven't mentioned about the bomb squad though is that they weren't wanted simply because they were being paid too much (courtesy of contracts that the club gave to them). The second that you don't mention is that are now integrated back into the first team squad having been on the sidelines or at other clubs for a year. I'm utterly baffled that some people see this as common practice for a football club and not the colossal cluster-fuck that it looks like to me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 02, 2014, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2014, 02:04:32 PM

As it stands, we have 5 centre backs. We're not going to have 5 centre backs listed in a 25 man squad so who's going to drop out ?. With Lambert's seemingly bizarre faith in Baker last season i'm starting to think if Vlaar does go we'll plough on with the other four and not replace him

#shudder

I'm sure you're right, Herd and Lowton can both play there and Donacien has just signed a new contract.  Senderos was Vlaar's replacement before he left, bit like Sidwell was Barry's and Kozak Benteke's.  Remember in Lambo's 1st season he ran with just Baker, Clark and Herd with Vlaar out injured and last year just Vlaar, Baker and Clark with Herd and Okore unavailable, so to have four fit front line centre halves in Senderos, Okore, Clark and Baker plus Lowton, Herd and Donacien, I think he'll prioritise signings elsewhere.

And look how well that went.  It's pretty telling that all three are still in the first team squad at the club. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2014, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 02, 2014, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2014, 02:04:32 PM

As it stands, we have 5 centre backs. We're not going to have 5 centre backs listed in a 25 man squad so who's going to drop out ?. With Lambert's seemingly bizarre faith in Baker last season i'm starting to think if Vlaar does go we'll plough on with the other four and not replace him

#shudder

I'm sure you're right, Herd and Lowton can both play there and Donacien has just signed a new contract.  Senderos was Vlaar's replacement before he left, bit like Sidwell was Barry's and Kozak Benteke's.  Remember in Lambo's 1st season he ran with just Baker, Clark and Herd with Vlaar out injured and last year just Vlaar, Baker and Clark with Herd and Okore unavailable, so to have four fit front line centre halves in Senderos, Okore, Clark and Baker plus Lowton, Herd and Donacien, I think he'll prioritise signings elsewhere.
The fact that Baker is still considered to be a candidate tells you everything you need to know about our defensive prospects.
When all are fit, we have to go back three (Okore, Vlaar and Seneros). The problem is that they will not all stay fit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
If Villa had been run properly over the last few seasons, Baker would be plying his trade at Shrewsbury.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 03, 2014, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
If Villa had been run properly over the last few seasons, Baker would be plying his trade at Shrewsbury.

And what have Shrewsbury ever done to you to start throwing insults like that around? ;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2014, 09:16:47 AM
Don't we have this debate about who's going to be in the twenty five every pre season with speculation about who will be left out, only for it to be utterly irrelevant as we've got so many players who count as home grown?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2014, 09:28:46 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 02, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
Ahaa Leighton Phillips one of my favourites. Elegant footballing class  oozed from that man.

Do you remember a home match against Spurs where, I think it was Terry Naylor fouled Phillips in midfield ending up with Naylor on the floor with Phillips standing over him?  What happened next was Phillips looked up to see where the ref was, saw he wasn't looking then grabbed Naylor by the shirt front lifting him up from the ground then nutting him!  Brilliant, as he ran back towards the Holte to rapturous cheers.
No I don't remember the actual incident Dave but it's one of the many things that made him fans favourite.  Other than number 9 and 1 he could play in almost every position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
If Villa had been run properly over the last few seasons, Baker would be plying his trade at Shrewsbury.

When you say run properly, you mean you want them to spend loadsamoney.

Seems to be that's what people class as good owners.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
No. If we hasn't over spent we wouldn't be adopting the current strategy. Either way baker wouldn't be anywhere near the first team
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 03, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
No. If we hasn't over spent we wouldn't be adopting the current strategy. Either way baker wouldn't be anywhere near the first team

He spent to allow MON the chance to qualify for Champions League, but it didn't quite work out. Can't blame him for giving someone we all thought could do it for us the money to do as he felt right. He places his trust in MON, but, ultimately, it didn't work out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jaffa on August 03, 2014, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
If Villa had been run properly over the last few seasons, Baker would be plying his trade at Shrewsbury.

He'd be on the subs bench at best if he was.... Connor Goldson is a much better CB than our Baker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 03, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 03, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
No. If we hasn't over spent we wouldn't be adopting the current strategy. Either way baker wouldn't be anywhere near the first team

He spent to allow MON the chance to qualify for Champions League, but it didn't quite work out. Can't blame him for giving someone we all thought could do it for us the money to do as he felt right. He places his trust in MON, but, ultimately, it didn't work out.

Yes, and Lerner should've sold-up in 2010 - at least the squad was half-decent then. But no, he's sold-off the better players and bought a load of tat generally and set us back years - irresponsible ownership from him. He's lowered expectations to such an extent that many fans think that mid-table is now a success.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 03, 2014, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 03, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 03, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
No. If we hasn't over spent we wouldn't be adopting the current strategy. Either way baker wouldn't be anywhere near the first team

He spent to allow MON the chance to qualify for Champions League, but it didn't quite work out. Can't blame him for giving someone we all thought could do it for us the money to do as he felt right. He places his trust in MON, but, ultimately, it didn't work out.

Yes, and Lerner should've sold-up in 2010 - at least the squad was half-decent then. But no, he's sold-off the better players and bought a load of tat generally and set us back years - irresponsible ownership from him. He's lowered expectations to such an extent that many fans think that mid-table is now a success.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2014, 11:35:23 AM
I don't that was ever going to happen though at that point, he had only been here four years. He put the money up to sign Bent and Makoun the following Jan, which was an effort to improve us. I reckon he would have got majorly disheartened the summer 11 when all the best players wanted to go and some of the other senior pros acted like assholes in the months after, Ireland, Dunne, Collins etc. And also summer 11 was the whole McLeish thing, it strikes me that he tried getting others in first and failed, wanted someone in well before the start of the season and McLeish was 'there'. Big mistake, but there you go. I think that period tought him how tough it can be in modern English football. I think he's been pondering it ever since and has finally made the decision, fortunately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 03, 2014, 11:49:33 AM
As we're seeing currently, selling a premier league club isn't easy nowadays.

He still had a lot of credit in the bank for me around 2010 so no issue with him not selling at the time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 03, 2014, 11:49:33 AM
As we're seeing currently, selling a premier league club isn't easy nowadays.

He still had a lot of credit in the bank for me around 2010 so no issue with him not selling at the time.

Agreed. There was no reason why he should have sold at that time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
If Villa had been run properly over the last few seasons, Baker would be plying his trade at Shrewsbury.

When you say run properly, you mean you want them to spend loadsamoney.

Seems to be that's what people class as good owners.

Depends how much money you consider to be 'loads'. Given that there are undiscovered Amazon tribes with more effective defenders than Baker, I suspect you could pick up a better centre-half for less than what Randy puts in his butler's Christmas bonus.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 03, 2014, 12:07:45 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 02, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
I think most people are missing a couple of very big points when talking about 'bomb squads', moving players out on loan, selling players at a loss and current value of players.  The transfer window and the allowable squad size are the main drivers behind these issues.

When you do not have a great deal of money to buy players and pay the wages, you are constantly looking for bargains that could quickly develop.  At the end of a season, the club is looking forward to the next season and trying to bring new players in early.  This will mean that your squad has grown above the permitted number and you then either have players you have to sell, loan out or they end up on the sidelines in a 'bomb squad'.  I should imagine that the coaches only want to have the first team squad training together as trying to use 'bomb squad' players in training is counterproductive due to numbers and potentially being disruptive.

The alternative to the above is to wait until you have cleared out last seasons 'want to get rid of' players and then bring in new but as we can all see, it is difficult to move on average/poor players these days.  The main reason is wages.  Gone are the days when players could slide down the league as the gap between PL wages and Championship or lower is too great.  Sitting and waiting to get rid of players is just not possible with a transfer window and a limited supply of value for money players.

The 'bomb squad' term was blown out of proportion as the media/fans wanted to use the issue to hammer the club/manager by trying to cause division.  There were never enough players for even a 5-a-side squad.  They were left on the sidelines as we had brought in players to replace them and no other club saw them as value for money signings or loan players.

Our problem in gambling on lower cost signings means a high turnover of players when they do not make the grade.  This then creates the impression that the manager does not know what he is doing regarding being able to buy good players.  The way I saw it last summer was that Lambert focused his main money on a new central defender and a replacement for Benteke that could get up to speed during the season, prior to Benteke leaving this summer.  As things worked out with Benteke getting injured, he will not be moving on this summer and so we are back to where we were 12 months ago on this one.  The remainder of the money last summer was spent on low cost value for money signings with the hope that some would come off.  Unfortunately for one reason or another, very few came off and in my mind only Bacuna did.

I am hoping that Lambert has gone about it the opposite way around in that he is waiting on his big money (not much in our case!) signing and that is going to be a quality midfield player.  Rather than numerous low cost relatively unknown signings, he has gone for cheap experience by bringing in a couple and using some that we previously tried to get rid of.  In addition to this, he is looking at some of the young players that he has seen come through the ranks as opposed to those already at first team level when he came into the job. 

The first main point that you haven't mentioned about the bomb squad though is that they weren't wanted simply because they were being paid too much (courtesy of contracts that the club gave to them). The second that you don't mention is that are now integrated back into the first team squad having been on the sidelines or at other clubs for a year. I'm utterly baffled that some people see this as common practice for a football club and not the colossal cluster-fuck that it looks like to me.

I know it was a long post but it wasn't meant to be a detailed analysis of the point I was trying to get over.  What I was trying to say was that at the end of the season the manager has a transfer window to build for the following season.  The limit on squad size means that to try and improve the manager has to get rid of some players to be able to bring in new.  Unless you continually pump money in, you try and sell players that can generate some money.

When Lambert came to Villa he decided that he wanted to change the style at right back and Hutton could potentially raise some money to fund this so went out and bought Lowton.  At the time he did not think that he would be unable to sell Hutton.  Like many of us, he thought he could get some money in and take one of the high earners off the books.  Move on 12 months and he thought Bent was surplus to requirements as Benteke had developed and adapted to the PL quickly.  Again, he thought that he would be able to get money for him and move a high wage earner off the books.  He was able to offload Ireland eventually.

What Lambert didn't expect is that he would be left with these two players as nobody else wanted them based on their wages.  It was not Lambert's fault that they had highly paid contracts.  He tried to cut the losses by loaning them out.  With Lerner looking to sell and with not much money for transfers, Lambert has decided to try and use them and get some value from them.  Perhaps this is why Keane has been brought in, to be the bad cop compared with Lambert's nice cop approach.

Most clubs in our position i.e. bottom half of the division, have a summer clear out and bring in new players to try and improve or even standstill.  Some are majorly critical of Villa's transfer policy but it happens at other clubs as well.  Look at Stoke and Crouch who they bought for £10m, has moved into the final year of his £40k a week contract and are rumoured to only want £1m for him.

Villa are currently in a holding pattern until somebody buys us and the manager is trying to shuffle the cards and get the best out of very limited resources.

I know that you were trying to make your point again but your two points were covered, I feel, by what I said if you had read a bit more deeply into my comments.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 03, 2014, 02:18:44 PM
Which ever way you shuffle the pack we are light in at least three positions,in order of priority :- DFM, right back and a striker until Benteke and Kozak are fit (it could be too late by the time they are fit).
Gabby , Weimann and Bent should be on the bench at best.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on August 03, 2014, 02:18:44 PM
Which ever way you shuffle the pack we are light in at least three positions,in order of priority :- DFM, right back and a striker until Benteke and Kozak are fit (it could be too late by the time they are fit).
Gabby , Weimann and Bent should be on the bench at best.

I agree in that we need to buy and have said before that Lambert should be given a budget based on our anticipated income versus expenditure for the season.  Perhaps I am old fashioned, some say DFM, some say No. 10 but I believe we need somebody that is strong, dominant and can drive through the midfield i.e. somebody that make up for shortcomings in the other two midfield positions mentioned.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 03, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on August 03, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 03, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
No. If we hasn't over spent we wouldn't be adopting the current strategy. Either way baker wouldn't be anywhere near the first team

He spent to allow MON the chance to qualify for Champions League, but it didn't quite work out. Can't blame him for giving someone we all thought could do it for us the money to do as he felt right. He places his trust in MON, but, ultimately, it didn't work out.

Yes, and Lerner should've sold-up in 2010 - at least the squad was half-decent then. But no, he's sold-off the better players and bought a load of tat generally and set us back years - irresponsible ownership from him. He's lowered expectations to such an extent that many fans think that mid-table is now a success.

So he should've gone as soon as he stopped spending loads of money?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
Nobody's disputing the amount of money that Randy has pumped into the club. The problem is rather the wasteful way that money has been spent, and the way the assets purchased with it have been largely squandered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 03, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
Nobody's disputing the amount of money that Randy has pumped into the club. The problem is rather the wasteful way that money has been spent, and the way the assets purchased with it have been largely squandered.

I couldn't agree more.

I can't speak for anyone else but I'd feel a lot more affinity and respect for Randy if his lack of interest these days was not so stark.

I also want us to have a chairman who is prepared to, if not live and breathe the club, really care for it, feel something for it, and make us feel like we matter to him. With Randy, it was that way for four years, and then it stopped pretty much overnight.

If you look back, at pretty much exactly the same time General Krulak disappeared from here, they started retreating. Stopped talking about ambition. Started talking about fiscal prudence - I remember reading the minutes of an SCG meeting at that time and it really struck me that in their answer to a question about a museum or a trophy room (which had always been something they'd sounded enthusiastic about), they said that anything like that would have to be considered on the financial merits, ie whether it could be self supporting.

I thought that was quite a stark indicator of how their involvement had changed.

I don't blame Randy for wanting out, if he doesn't have the interest any more, then it is best he moves on, but I have to say, I feel quite bitter about the drifting, organisational mess we've turned into now he's taken his eyes off the road.

It's not really the financial clamp down that I find most depressing (and god knows, that has been bad enough), it has been the way that, having spent four years telling us they were going to be "here through thick and thin", pretty much the very first time thick turned to thin, they were out of here as quick as they could.

I respect Randy for various things, but I genuinely do think they were pretty shabby about their retreat, and it does not reflect on them very well at all.

If they sold us tomorrow, the thing they'd be most remembered for would be the shambling mess and lack of interest of the last few years.

I hope our new owners have decent money behind them - which football supporter wouldn't prefer that - but I really, really hope they know what they're doing, and are prepared to stick with the club, two things which I don't think you can say about Randy and co.

Sad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ktvillan on August 03, 2014, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on August 03, 2014, 02:18:44 PM
Which ever way you shuffle the pack we are light in at least three positions,in order of priority :- DFM, right back and a striker until Benteke and Kozak are fit (it could be too late by the time they are fit).
Gabby , Weimann and Bent should be on the bench at best.

It's looking increasingly as if Lambert's task  is not so much shuffling a pack as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

The same someone who has gone on to get a pretty good job at the FA, which tells you all you need to know about that organisation as well. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2014, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

The same someone who has gone on to get a pretty good job at the FA, which tells you all you need to know about that organisation as well. 

He hasn't got a job with them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 06:09:16 PM
Given that in resigning here, he left his FA position, is it a fair assumption to say he must have been more than a bit pissed off?

I know he has other issues outside football (his son, I mean) and may have reappraised things, but it all seems a bit abrupt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 03, 2014, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

Bingo.

He wouldn't be the first owner who didn't know the minutiae, or have a deep technical knowledge of the organisation he owned.

But the better owners bring in people who do know those things. 

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 06:09:16 PM
Given that in resigning here, he left his FA position, is it a fair assumption to say he must have been more than a bit pissed off?

I know he has other issues outside football (his son, I mean) and may have reappraised things, but it all seems a bit abrupt.

Ah right, didn't realise that.  Yes I would agree that the added relinquishing of the FA job must have meant there were pretty extreme circumstances involved for him to leave (hopefully not the family situation you mention).     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

Good point but it is so much easier when they are given a budget and a strategy of 'money no object, get us the PL and CL'

Further down the scale you need to convince top people that you have a realistic strategy and budget to get them to come and work for you.  Where Lerner fell down was not trying to employ the best at Day 1 when he came in when it was clear he had the money and aspiration.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

Good point but it is so much easier when they are given a budget and a strategy of 'money no object, get us the PL and CL'

Further down the scale you need to convince top people that you have a realistic strategy and budget to get them to come and work for you.  Where Lerner fell down was not trying to employ the best at Day 1 when he came in when it was clear he had the money and aspiration.

Not sure how O'Neill would have taken to working with such people. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 06:45:45 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

Good point but it is so much easier when they are given a budget and a strategy of 'money no object, get us the PL and CL'

Further down the scale you need to convince top people that you have a realistic strategy and budget to get them to come and work for you.  Where Lerner fell down was not trying to employ the best at Day 1 when he came in when it was clear he had the money and aspiration.

Not sure how O'Neill would have taken to working with such people. 

he wouldn't have, and that was part of the problem (which is what a close friend of one of our CEOs under MON told me).

However, what about when MON was gone?

That was another chance to appoint capable people, and he spurned it.

I take the point about money making it easy at Man City, but they still went ahead and appointed some people with seriously impressive CVs in the sport.

We appointed people with no CVs to speak of, at least not in the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 06:45:45 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2014, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
If Randy sells it is very likely to be an American who takes us on. Possibly one with good intentions but little knowledge of the sport.

Thats if he can find a seller. Its a dreadful situation we as fans have to face up to.

A new owner being American doesn't necessarily mean it has to be so clueless.

Look at Man City. Mansour almost certainly knows next to nothing about the game, but the thing people frequently miss about them is that they have appointed people from the absolute top drawer of sport and football to run things.

They took over Man City and they stuck in the bloke who ran Nike and then the people who ran Barcelona to run things.

Randy bought us, and his response to needing to get hold of things was to put in someone who used to run call centres for a credit card company.

Good point but it is so much easier when they are given a budget and a strategy of 'money no object, get us the PL and CL'

Further down the scale you need to convince top people that you have a realistic strategy and budget to get them to come and work for you.  Where Lerner fell down was not trying to employ the best at Day 1 when he came in when it was clear he had the money and aspiration.

Not sure how O'Neill would have taken to working with such people. 

he wouldn't have, and that was part of the problem (which is what a close friend of one of our CEOs under MON told me).

However, what about when MON was gone?

That was another chance to appoint capable people, and he spurned it.



I think by that time the horse had bolted and the money was gone to get top people.  We had our one chance at glory and we failed.

For Villa to get back near the top somebody has to come in with vision and a new business model that rips up the current traditional English football club one.  Money alone (unless it is of Man City magnitude) will not get us there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
I think by that time the horse had bolted and the money was gone to get top people.  We had our one chance at glory and we failed.

I disagree - the top, top administrators in football still don't earn as much as mediocre footballers do

At that time, we were paying Emile Heskey 65k a week. We were paying players as average as Steve Sidwell 40k a week.

Putting in highly talented administrators would have cost a fraction of that.

Faulkner was on 250k a year (as per the accounts). We could have paid someone who really knew what they were doing 10 times that and that'd still be about a Sidwell's worth of wages.

For four years, the full extent of the people running the club was Martin O'Neill.

He then went, flounced off (for reasons that make me extremely sympathetic to Lerner), and we were left in a situation where Randy had to install his own structure, and that is where it all went tits up.

It wasn't mostly because O'Neill left, it was because Randy totally fucked up almost every appointment he made from then on - which is coincidentally exactly the same criticism Browns fans had of him.

Lest we forget, this is a man who thought appointing Alex McLeish was a good idea.   

O'Neill went and he was forced to do things himself and he totally fucked it up. Yes, he thew money at it for a while, but throwing money at something is the easy bit - if you have money - getting an organisation running as best it can is much harder, and that is where he failed.

Look at the godawful rudderless mess we are now, for example. He's totally fucked it up, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2014, 07:37:11 PM
First rule is to surround yourself with the right people in every department. I have no argument about appointing MON as the manager but there also needs to be strong people running each department. If they fall out you have to deal with it. We have had people like Steve Stride and Tony Stephens in the past. The manager does the football stuff and the businessmen do the money and organising stuff. There will be crossovers and conflicts but that happens in most working environments. They sort it out amongst themselves or the boss has to step in and sort it. In an ideal world MON would have been able to work with the likes of the two men I have named but just like Clough he preferred to work with 'yes men' in every department. Personally I am a far bigger fan of MON than most on this sit but his way of showing strenth was also his weakness in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2014, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
I think by that time the horse had bolted and the money was gone to get top people.  We had our one chance at glory and we failed.

I disagree - the top, top administrators in football still don't earn as much as mediocre footballers do

At that time, we were paying Emile Heskey 65k a week. We were paying players as average as Steve Sidwell 40k a week.

Putting in highly talented administrators would have cost a fraction of that.

Faulkner was on 250k a year (as per the accounts). We could have paid someone who really knew what they were doing 10 times that and that'd still be about a Sidwell's worth of wages.

For four years, the full extent of the people running the club was Martin O'Neill.

He then went, flounced off (for reasons that make me extremely sympathetic to Lerner), and we were left in a situation where Randy had to install his own structure, and that is where it all went tits up.

It wasn't mostly because O'Neill left, it was because Randy totally fucked up almost every appointment he made from then on - which is coincidentally exactly the same criticism Browns fans had of him.

Lest we forget, this is a man who thought appointing Alex McLeish was a good idea.   

O'Neill went and he was forced to do things himself and he totally fucked it up. Yes, he thew money at it for a while, but throwing money at something is the easy bit - if you have money - getting an organisation running as best it can is much harder, and that is where he failed.

Look at the godawful rudderless mess we are now, for example. He's totally fucked it up, I'm afraid.

I do not disagree with you.  The point I was trying to make was that ambitious people with drive want to be armed with some of the tools and a realistic challenge.

Regarding your point about salary, my second paragraph relates to that.  Football must be one of the few industries that pay the workers (players) more than the people running the club (manager, CEO etc.).  Taking the manager as an example, perhaps that is why there are so few recently retired players going into football management when they can earn as much through media work.  The other view is that players are so mollycoddled these days that they would never have the right frame of mind or have the dedication to go into management.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2014, 08:37:16 AM
It's a good point about the industry. Imagine if we'd bought in a top executive chairman or chief exec. I'd rather have done that, than pay the wages of the likes of Beye, Ireland, etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: E I Adio on August 04, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 03, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
I do not disagree with you.  The point I was trying to make was that ambitious people with drive want to be armed with some of the tools and a realistic challenge.

Regarding your point about salary, my second paragraph relates to that.  Football must be one of the few industries that pay the workers (players) more than the people running the club (manager, CEO etc.).  Taking the manager as an example, perhaps that is why there are so few recently retired players going into football management when they can earn as much through media work.  The other view is that players are so mollycoddled these days that they would never have the right frame of mind or have the dedication to go into management.

Rumour had it that Siralex always insisted that he was the best paid person at the club. One look at MOTD should convince anyone that very few retired players have the intellectual ability to suceed as managers.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 04, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
Lambert was,we understood, tactically very savvy, could change things round in the space of five minutes. I would like to know who decided
this was the case as this current manager has not shown anything that suggests he is intelligent in either a football sense or a verbal sense.

We are stuck with him. His job is safe and he knows it.

Doug would have sacked him twice in the time he has been manager.

Doug would have been right to take this action.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
I agree completely Ron. My feeling is regarding the state we have fallen into since MON flounced out, big decisions have been made and are still being made on the basis of edicts issued by the owner from a distance. In any other premiership club Lambert would have been gone months ago but we all know his job is safe. Why? Because Lerner has ordered that he will never again pay a manager contract compensation. So he stays. With Doug or any other readily accessible owner things would be discussed and debated at length. We have made so many knee jerk reactive decisions in the past four years that you cannot honestly believe they have been thought through or talked through.
Young and hungry was survival in the premiership on the cheap Part I old and unwanted is survival in the premiership on the cheap Part II.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 04, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 04, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
Lambert was,we understood, tactically very savvy, could change things round in the space of five minutes. I would like to know who decided
this was the case as this current manager has not shown anything that suggests he is intelligent in either a football sense or a verbal sense.

We are stuck with him. His job is safe and he knows it.


Doug would have sacked him twice in the time he has been manager.

Doug would have been right to take this action.

There is something to be said for stability though.   I have pretty much come to the same conclusion about Lambert as you, but given the squad he took over and the lack of money he has had, then I think he deserved at least two seasons to rebuild.   Of course the pro-Lambert camp would also argue than without keeping the same manager for two seasons we may already be down, for example if we had panic and sacked him during his first season?  Just saying...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
There wouldn't be any point sacking Lambert, given the current uncertain situation.

I know he deserved the bullet ages ago, and I too have zero faith in the bloke, but we are such a mess at the moment, sacking him would just create another element of instability.

What sort of manager would come here and work under these circumstances?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 04, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 04, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 04, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
Lambert was,we understood, tactically very savvy, could change things round in the space of five minutes. I would like to know who decided
this was the case as this current manager has not shown anything that suggests he is intelligent in either a football sense or a verbal sense.

We are stuck with him. His job is safe and he knows it.


Doug would have sacked him twice in the time he has been manager.

Doug would have been right to take this action.

There is something to be said for stability though.   I have pretty much come to the same conclusion about Lambert as you, but given the squad he took over and the lack of money he has had, then I think he deserved at least two seasons to rebuild.   Of course the pro-Lambert camp would also argue than without keeping the same manager for two seasons we may already be down, for example if we had panic and sacked him during his first season?  Just saying...

There is a lot to be said for stability. However Lambert knew exactly what he was taking on in the way of readily available finance and playing staff. He had some good publicity at Norwich and thought he had whatever it takes. He was wrong. He will be classed with Billy O'Neill, Graham Turner and Josef Venglos. Falling very short of what is required, I am afraid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 04, 2014, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
There wouldn't be any point sacking Lambert, given the current uncertain situation.

I know he deserved the bullet ages ago, and I too have zero faith in the bloke, but we are such a mess at the moment, sacking him would just create another element of instability.

What sort of manager would come here and work under these circumstances?

Sir Alex must be getting bored and irritable by now. Mrs Alex would be pleased to get him out of the house!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
How much worse can Lambert get before the excuses for him stop?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
How much worse can Lambert get before the excuses for him stop?

Relegation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on August 04, 2014, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
How much worse can Lambert get before the excuses for him stop?

I would have thought he would be looking elsewhere Brian, if Lerner stays then money is limited if Lerner sells then he would be out of a job anyway. Hard to understand his thinking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 04, 2014, 11:32:09 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
How much worse can Lambert get before the excuses for him stop?

I think people are just trying to look on the bright side Brian. A bad start and I don't think too many on here will be lining up with excuses to defend him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 11:36:45 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 04, 2014, 11:32:09 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
How much worse can Lambert get before the excuses for him stop?

I think people are just trying to look on the bright side Brian. A bad start and I don't think too many on here will be lining up with excuses to defend him.

I don't even think anyone is making excuses for him, if anything, the wider malaise at the club almost makes him less prominent as a problem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 04, 2014, 11:41:29 AM
Although the phrase that if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem may be appropriate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 04, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
Would the team do better :

Under a new owner and Lambert as manager ?

Randy and a new manager ?

Ideally both out would be my view ,  but as much as Lambert doesn't help himself Randy is the biggest problem right now.


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: placeforparks on August 04, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
There wouldn't be any point sacking Lambert, given the current uncertain situation.

I know he deserved the bullet ages ago, and I too have zero faith in the bloke, but we are such a mess at the moment, sacking him would just create another element of instability.

What sort of manager would come here and work under these circumstances?

we've basically become the dignitas of managerial careers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on August 04, 2014, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
How much worse can Lambert get before the excuses for him stop?

I would have thought he would be looking elsewhere Brian, if Lerner stays then money is limited if Lerner sells then he would be out of a job anyway. Hard to understand his thinking.

I think he deserves credit for this.  His loyalty and his stubborness to 'do the right thing when there are easier options' are qualities for which he should be admired in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2014, 12:56:28 PM
true if he had options, which imo he doesn't, which is why he's sticking around. Money doesn't talk, it swears. Lambert's here because he earns a  salary he won't get anywhere else, given his record over the last two seasons. And if his patron goes, he gets a big payoff, assuming it happened before his contract is up in June 2015.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 04, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
Would the team do better :

Under a new owner and Lambert as manager ?

Randy and a new manager ?

Ideally both out would be my view ,  but as much as Lambert doesn't help himself Randy is the biggest problem right now.

Yes and Yes

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 04, 2014, 01:01:49 PM
We got 4 points out of a possible 24 without Benteke.
We have players we rely on every week that are not premier league standard.
We have re-introduced 3-4 experienced players that Lambert, for whatever reason, deemed not worthy of inclusion in the squad last season & hope they are motivated!
We have 2 of our better players running into the last year of their contract plus Gabby who is supposedly our main goal threat.
We have a manager that is tactically inept, no CEO & a Chairman desparate to escape at any what seems any cost.

A bad start to the season & all hell will break loose.

Who in their right mind would want to join that?

By the end of the season Lerner will be lucky to get back the price he paid Doug.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
It would be nice if we could do a bit of business this week to improve the midfield. You cannot help but think that if we're able to keep Vlaar, then him and Okore will be pretty steady at the back. Some big horrible bugger in midfield to shield and protect them would have a big impact on our play.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
It would be nice if we could do a bit of business this week to improve the midfield. You cannot help but think that if we're able to keep Vlaar, then him and Okore will be pretty steady at the back. Some big horrible bugger in midfield to shield and protect them would have a big impact on our play.



I think that's exactly what we need as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on August 04, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 04, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
It would be nice if we could do a bit of business this week to improve the midfield. You cannot help but think that if we're able to keep Vlaar, then him and Okore will be pretty steady at the back. Some big horrible bugger in midfield to shield and protect them would have a big impact on our play.
I think that's exactly what we need as well.
The thing is chaps, we can see the obvious need for this going back months and months, but can the manager? Or does he want to? He's had a long time to take action on this position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2014, 01:36:35 PM
I am looking fed to vlaar and Okore. But they're not too tall and that might be a problem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villasjf on August 04, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 04, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
It would be nice if we could do a bit of business this week to improve the midfield. You cannot help but think that if we're able to keep Vlaar, then him and Okore will be pretty steady at the back. Some big horrible bugger in midfield to shield and protect them would have a big impact on our play.



I think that's exactly what we need as well.
Grant Holte to re-sign then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 04, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: john2710 on August 04, 2014, 01:01:49 PM
We got 4 points out of a possible 24 without Benteke.
We have players we rely on every week that are not premier league standard.
We have re-introduced 3-4 experienced players that Lambert, for whatever reason, deemed not worthy of inclusion in the squad last season & hope they are motivated!
We have 2 of our better players running into the last year of their contract plus Gabby who is supposedly our main goal threat.
We have a manager that is tactically inept, no CEO & a Chairman desparate to escape at any what seems any cost.

A bad start to the season & all hell will break loose.

Who in their right mind would want to join that?

By the end of the season Lerner will be lucky to get back the price he paid Doug.

I really, really wanted to argue with some or all of that , but I can't. Except maybe the sale price of the club. If anything I would question how good our points ratio was when Benteke was playing. I suspect it was better but still not hugely impressive.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 04, 2014, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on August 04, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 04, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
It would be nice if we could do a bit of business this week to improve the midfield. You cannot help but think that if we're able to keep Vlaar, then him and Okore will be pretty steady at the back. Some big horrible bugger in midfield to shield and protect them would have a big impact on our play.
I think that's exactly what we need as well.
The thing is chaps, we can see the obvious need for this going back months and months, but can the manager? Or does he want to? He's had a long time to take action on this position.
The worry could be if he becomes fixated on one target, as he did with Hoolahan, and leaves himself no time or options for alternative avenues. If we're genuinely after Ki, how long do we chase until we switch to alternative targets.

It may well not be for the want of trying but, Lamberts on his 5th transfer window and he's still miles off getting us a suitable midfield sorted for this league.
He's not signed anyone for the middle of the park since Sylla, and it's becoming very clear that Sylla, and to a lesser extent, KEA and Westwood, aren't cutting the mustard. It's all on Delph at the minute and we could be in danger of hampering Delph's development if he's having to cover another 1-2 positions to account for the ineptitude of others.

If Delph only has to worry about his own tasks he could evolve even further and perhaps develop into a goalscoring midfielder. He's shown flashes of it last season, and at Leeds. All too often though he's having to carry the can for the entire midfield almost single handed because the others aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 04, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: john2710 on August 04, 2014, 01:01:49 PM
We got 4 points out of a possible 24 without Benteke.
We have players we rely on every week that are not premier league standard.
We have re-introduced 3-4 experienced players that Lambert, for whatever reason, deemed not worthy of inclusion in the squad last season & hope they are motivated!
We have 2 of our better players running into the last year of their contract plus Gabby who is supposedly our main goal threat.
We have a manager that is tactically inept, no CEO & a Chairman desparate to escape at any what seems any cost.

A bad start to the season & all hell will break loose.

Who in their right mind would want to join that?

By the end of the season Lerner will be lucky to get back the price he paid Doug.

I really, really wanted to argue with some or all of that , but I can't. Except maybe the sale price of the club. If anything I would question how good our points ratio was when Benteke was playing. I suspect it was better but still not hugely impressive.

With Benteke in the league, W8 D5 L13 so 29 points from 78
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
I don't want to focus on Lambert's failings. I simply feel that we have to assess our whole situation openly and honestly. It galls me when Lambert rides out a catalogue of mistakes and gets more time to sort out messes of his own making when his predecessor whom I believe to be no worse than the present manager was given the Bolton treatment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 04, 2014, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 04, 2014, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on August 04, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 04, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
It would be nice if we could do a bit of business this week to improve the midfield. You cannot help but think that if we're able to keep Vlaar, then him and Okore will be pretty steady at the back. Some big horrible bugger in midfield to shield and protect them would have a big impact on our play.
I think that's exactly what we need as well.
The thing is chaps, we can see the obvious need for this going back months and months, but can the manager? Or does he want to? He's had a long time to take action on this position.
The worry could be if he becomes fixated on one target, as he did with Hoolahan, and leaves himself no time or options for alternative avenues. If we're genuinely after Ki, how long do we chase until we switch to alternative targets.

It may well not be for the want of trying but, Lamberts on his 5th transfer window and he's still miles off getting us a suitable midfield sorted for this league.
He's not signed anyone for the middle of the park since Sylla, and it's becoming very clear that Sylla, and to a lesser extent, KEA and Westwood, aren't cutting the mustard. It's all on Delph at the minute and we could be in danger of hampering Delph's development if he's having to cover another 1-2 positions to account for the ineptitude of others.

If Delph only has to worry about his own tasks he could evolve even further and perhaps develop into a goalscoring midfielder. He's shown flashes of it last season, and at Leeds. All too often though he's having to carry the can for the entire midfield almost single handed because the others aren't good enough.
And we could lose him to a good offer!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
I don't want to focus on Lambert's failings. I simply feel that we have to assess our whole situation openly and honestly. It galls me when Lambert rides out a catalogue of mistakes and gets more time to sort out messes of his own making when his predecessor whom I believe to be no worse than the present manager was given the Bolton treatment.

My take on all this is that nothing can get any better until we have a takeover.

Randy is clearly going to spend as little as possible, he's not going to sack the manager and appoint a new one, he's almost certainly not going to appoint a new CEO, either.

The takeover is the key to all this. Until that happens, all the other stuff seems - to me at least - to be locked as it is now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 04, 2014, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
I don't want to focus on Lambert's failings. I simply feel that we have to assess our whole situation openly and honestly. It galls me when Lambert rides out a catalogue of mistakes and gets more time to sort out messes of his own making when his predecessor whom I believe to be no worse than the present manager was given the Bolton treatment.

My take on all this is that nothing can get any better until we have a takeover.

Randy is clearly going to spend as little as possible, he's not going to sack the manager and appoint a new one, he's almost certainly not going to appoint a new CEO, either.

Agreed, I think we'll get 2 loans in just before the season starts to see us through, a defensive central midfielder and another wide forward/creative option.  Hopefully the takeover happens this side of the next window so we can begin to rebuild.
The takeover is the key to all this. Until that happens, all the other stuff seems - to me at least - to be locked as it is now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2014, 02:51:05 PM
Yeah, we will be dieing a slow death until someone takes over, hopefully it's sooner rather than later because we won't survive in the league for much longer now and a lot of people must be starting to lose interest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2014, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
I don't want to focus on Lambert's failings. I simply feel that we have to assess our whole situation openly and honestly. It galls me when Lambert rides out a catalogue of mistakes and gets more time to sort out messes of his own making when his predecessor whom I believe to be no worse than the present manager was given the Bolton treatment.

My take on all this is that nothing can get any better until we have a takeover.

Randy is clearly going to spend as little as possible, he's not going to sack the manager and appoint a new one, he's almost certainly not going to appoint a new CEO, either.

The takeover is the key to all this. Until that happens, all the other stuff seems - to me at least - to be locked as it is now.

the optimistic in me is trying very hard, working many hours in addition to those scheduled to believe that the current dearth of any positive activity in the areas mentioned is due the takeover being not far away. Why would Randy Lerner, who came to the club and spun all of the positivity that he did let the club die on a vine as the final chapter in his story? I don't see him being that person, yet every day erodes some of that belief. What I am clinging on to is that the takeover won't be one of those drawn out things when it finally happens. That it is happening behind the scenes and when it takes place the news will break, and soon after it will be wrapped up. Off course I sincerely hope this happens in the next couple of weeks, because the thought that this is it in terms of our summer transfers in doesn't fill even the bright eyed optimistic with much hope for a good start to the campaign.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2014, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 04, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
There wouldn't be any point sacking Lambert, given the current uncertain situation.

I know he deserved the bullet ages ago, and I too have zero faith in the bloke, but we are such a mess at the moment, sacking him would just create another element of instability.

What sort of manager would come here and work under these circumstances?

we've basically become the dignitas of managerial careers.

:) , facking quality

So true too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 04, 2014, 04:43:36 PM
I think we've probably done enough in the transfer market so far to firmly cement ourselves in 18th place come May next year, well done everyone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2014, 05:06:31 PM
I think we will buy a player on Thursday this week for real life poeples money, no fooling.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
And it will be Peter Crouch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 04, 2014, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 

and with Andre Villas-Boas gone as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 04, 2014, 06:06:40 PM
I never did recover from the "Chelsea to buy Villa" headline I saw. My stomach fell out of my arse, and I went through all manner of ways to go out like a martyr for gunning down the board, before sense kicked in and I realised that they were talking about a forward in Spain.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2014, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
I don't want to focus on Lambert's failings. I simply feel that we have to assess our whole situation openly and honestly. It galls me when Lambert rides out a catalogue of mistakes and gets more time to sort out messes of his own making when his predecessor whom I believe to be no worse than the present manager was given the Bolton treatment.

My take on all this is that nothing can get any better until we have a takeover.

Randy is clearly going to spend as little as possible, he's not going to sack the manager and appoint a new one, he's almost certainly not going to appoint a new CEO, either.

The takeover is the key to all this. Until that happens, all the other stuff seems - to me at least - to be locked as it is now.

the optimistic in me is trying very hard, working many hours in addition to those scheduled to believe that the current dearth of any positive activity in the areas mentioned is due the takeover being not far away. Why would Randy Lerner, who came to the club and spun all of the positivity that he did let the club die on a vine as the final chapter in his story? I don't see him being that person, yet every day erodes some of that belief. What I am clinging on to is that the takeover won't be one of those drawn out things when it finally happens. That it is happening behind the scenes and when it takes place the news will break, and soon after it will be wrapped up. Off course I sincerely hope this happens in the next couple of weeks, because the thought that this is it in terms of our summer transfers in doesn't fill even the bright eyed optimistic with much hope for a good start to the campaign.
Lerner is probably thinking that he can hold out till January: by then he will either have sold out or will give the manager some dosh to bail us out.

Depressing for the next four months or so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2014, 07:04:54 PM
Luna has gone on loan to Verona according to the OS.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2014, 07:13:30 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
I don't want to focus on Lambert's failings. I simply feel that we have to assess our whole situation openly and honestly. It galls me when Lambert rides out a catalogue of mistakes and gets more time to sort out messes of his own making when his predecessor whom I believe to be no worse than the present manager was given the Bolton treatment.

I suppose the difference is that the vast majority were against the previous manager by the time we got to the Bolton match whereas only the majority (if that, seeing as there are not major calls for him to go) are against the current manager.  We have been down to whys and wherefores many time before so no need to go over that again.  Lerner had to get rid of the previous manager based on the view of the supporters.  He clearly feels that he is not in the same position with Lambert, yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
And it will be Peter Crouch.

Written in the stars.  Ormondroyd Cascarino to Kojak Krouch...let the new generation rise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2014, 07:47:45 PM
Little resale value in so many of these players, Luna. I just hope this frees up some wages to bring one in.

Paulie Walnuts, just read back over the last few pages. I think you have it spot on. Very balanced views IMO.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 04, 2014, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 04, 2014, 05:06:31 PM
I think we will buy a player on Thursday this week for real life poeples money, no fooling.


It will be Adeyemi from Blues.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2014, 08:24:03 PM
I hear what you say OMVF and I agree with your proposition that not so many are calling for Lambert to go as were demanding the removal of TSM.   However, I do not think that that is because there is not an overwhelming majority of fans who want to see the back of Lambert, I think there is, but what is protecting Lambert is that the majority have no stomach for another blood letting.   I know I haven't but that does not change my opinion that I think Lambert is every inch as poor a manager as TSM and quite possibly not so impeccably decent a man.   I am of the opinion that Lambert will not be sacked because it is cheaper to keep him and everything at the club at the moment is done on the ultra cheap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2014, 08:33:13 PM
What happens if no takeover happens and Lamberts contract ends? A realistic possibility?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 08:24:03 PM
I hear what you say OMVF and I agree with your proposition that not so many are calling for Lambert to go as were demanding the removal of TSM.   However, I do not think that that is because there is not an overwhelming majority of fans who want to see the back of Lambert, I think there is, but what is protecting Lambert is that the majority have no stomach for another blood letting.   I know I haven't but that does not change my opinion that I think Lambert is every inch as poor a manager as TSM and quite possibly not so impeccably decent a man.   I am of the opinion that Lambert will not be sacked because it is cheaper to keep him and everything at the club at the moment is done on the ultra cheap.
it's expedient whilst the club is for sale.  Isn't that the only reason, really?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 04, 2014, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 04, 2014, 08:33:13 PM
What happens if no takeover happens and Lamberts contract ends? A realistic possibility?
Paul Jewell is what happens probably. Or someone of that ilk.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 04, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
Rodwell going to Sunderland for £10mill, are they mad, they bid £14mill for Borini as well, and yet some still think Vlaar's only worth £5/6 mill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 04, 2014, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 04, 2014, 08:33:13 PM
What happens if no takeover happens and Lamberts contract ends? A realistic possibility?

Sid and then god knows who Lerner would dig up.

I think there is a good possibility Lambert may resign at some point this season. He has no real incentive to go through this with nothing at the end of it. His reputation is still decent enough he can reasonably expect to get another job at an up and coming championship or possibly premier league club. The fact that he has not quit gives me some hope a takeover is closer than we imagine. Otherwise why is he here? His money from wages which I assume are good are only going down as the months tick by.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on August 04, 2014, 09:12:30 PM
We can't afford to sack him...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 09:32:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 04, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
And it will be Peter Crouch.
I'd probably take that at this juncture.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
When did we last sign someone from Small Heath direct ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2014, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
When did we last sign someone from Small Heath direct ?

Curbishley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 04, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.


Ha ha ha. Oh...shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2014, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
When did we last sign someone from Small Heath direct ?

Curbishley.
Really ? When was that 84 ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
is he actually any good?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 04, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.


Ha ha ha. Oh...shit.

That me laugh
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
is he actually any good?

Would they let us have him if he was?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
is he actually any good?

Would they let us have him if he was?
Nope . And I would not want to trade with them c***s anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2014, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
is he actually any good?

Would they let us have him if he was?
Nope . And I would not want to trade with them c***s anyway.

I'd gladly take anything that could be of value from them. Otherwise you're sinking to their level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2014, 10:14:14 PM
I did read that he is a very intelligent lad, and that Lambert was a big fan at Norwich.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 04, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 04, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
Rodwell going to Sunderland for £10mill, are they mad, they bid £14mill for Borini as well, and yet some still think Vlaar's only worth £5/6 mill.

I'd happily take Rodwell. Even with his injury record. Personally, I think he's a bit of a coup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2014, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2014, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 04, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
When did we last sign someone from Small Heath direct ?

Curbishley.
Really ? When was that 84 ?

'83. Swapped him for that weasel Robert Hopkins (he who loved the blues so much he joined the Villa as a kid).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2014, 10:14:14 PM
I did read that he is a very intelligent lad, and that Lambert was a big fan at Norwich.

Did he have his own box then. :-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2014, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 04, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
Rodwell going to Sunderland for £10mill, are they mad, they bid £14mill for Borini as well, and yet some still think Vlaar's only worth £5/6 mill.

I'd happily take Rodwell. Even with his injury record. Personally, I think he's a bit of a coup.

Jack Rodwell is a talented player. But he has been injured more than he has played the last 2 years which will have slowed his development no end, and there is no certainty he will continue to progress, or play much. 10 million is a lot of money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Rodwell has had more injuries than Evil Knievel. £10 mil on him is a huge gamble.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 04, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 04, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2014, 10:14:14 PM
I did read that he is a very intelligent lad, and that Lambert was a big fan at Norwich.

Did he have his own box then. :-)
Had a brilliant programme collection and all of those half 'n' half scarf things....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 04, 2014, 11:02:59 PM
If he's any good why not? Besides we can always claim for the next few years that our money saved them from extinction.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
Don't think he's above Championship quality really.

And he's similar in style to Delph so my worry is like Senderos this is insurance in case contract talks break down and we sell him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 04, 2014, 11:07:33 PM
Is there any evidence that we are after him? I'd also take great pleasure in taking him off them. Providing he's any good, which I'm doubtful of.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 04, 2014, 11:10:32 PM
If he was any good surely 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', S'land or WSpam would have have snapped him up for a bargain £20m by now!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 05, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
What I can't understand is why are we planning talks with Vlar but there's no word of contracts or talks with Delph or Gabby? Something doesn't quite add up, unless we don't want to keep them?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2014, 12:42:02 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 05, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
What I can't understand is why are we planning talks with Vlar but there's no word of contracts or talks with Delph or Gabby? Something doesn't quite add up, unless we don't want to keep them?

In an odd sort of way things being quiet might be good news for us at least on the Delph front, as in we have not had any bids, and he is happy to stay at Villa, which he has already been quoted as saying anyway.  I like Delph, but he has only had one good season for us, and still has much to improve on.  At the moment I don't think there is too much interest from other clubs, at least not from the sort of clubs who could turn his head.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hartman_1982 on August 05, 2014, 01:53:18 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 05, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
What I can't understand is why are we planning talks with Vlar but there's no word of contracts or talks with Delph or Gabby? Something doesn't quite add up, unless we don't want to keep them?

I think there is an interview with Shay Given floating about in which he says something about the club speaking to a few players about contracts at the moment. He was asked directly about Vlaar but said something like that. I took that as including Delph and Gabby as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 05, 2014, 02:46:32 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 05, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
What I can't understand is why are we planning talks with Vlar but there's no word of contracts or talks with Delph or Gabby? Something doesn't quite add up, unless we don't want to keep them?

Seeing Gabby for another 3/4 years at Villa makes me want to bang my head repeatedly off a brick wall.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2014, 06:52:16 AM
The way Gabby is playing, like a kid with a smacked arse, says to me that he isn't getting a new contract. Speculation on my part of course but he's hardly pulling up trees to deserve one at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 05, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 05, 2014, 06:52:16 AM
The way Gabby is playing, like a kid with a smacked arse, says to me that he isn't getting a new contract. Speculation on my part of course but he's hardly pulling up trees to deserve one at the moment.
With the club's focus on cash at the moment, it would not make sense to let him run down his contract. He has value in the transfer market and one of the promoted clubs would - you'd think - be willing to pay a transfer fee.
They either intend offering him and Delph a new contract or are gambling that a new owner will be coming in between now and Xmas that will get these contracts issues sorted out before January.

Either way, we're once again seeing the negative effects of uncertainty over ownership. Not great stewardship of the club, Mr Lerner.
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 05, 2014, 07:37:31 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Tom Adayemi, the Blose midfielder we were linked with, has apparently handed in a transfer request.
is he actually any good?

Would they let us have him if he was?
presumably in to their financial straits, even we could make a deal attractive if the player is up for it. As said above, presumably the absence of other high profile interest answers my earlier question.
Lambert again taking a punt on an unproven player? Or just b.s. rumours?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 05, 2014, 07:45:43 AM
They have only probably mentioned Vlaar because he's the one in focus at the moment, I'd give one to Delph and put Gabby up for sale
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 05, 2014, 07:52:49 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 05, 2014, 07:45:43 AM
They have only probably mentioned Vlaar because he's the one in focus at the moment, I'd give one to Delph and put Gabby up for sale

I'd like to see Gabby work with Keano for a few months. People need to be a bit more patient.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2014, 08:05:29 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on August 05, 2014, 01:53:18 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 05, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
What I can't understand is why are we planning talks with Vlar but there's no word of contracts or talks with Delph or Gabby? Something doesn't quite add up, unless we don't want to keep them?

I think there is an interview with Shay Given floating about in which he says something about the club speaking to a few players about contracts at the moment. He was asked directly about Vlaar but said something like that. I took that as including Delph and Gabby as well.

Does that mean that Given still has some sort of coaching capacity at the club?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 08:28:49 AM
I certainly wouldn't be looking to move Gabby on in our current state. I would, however, like us to becoming less reliant on him as an automatic starter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brian Taylor on August 05, 2014, 08:34:15 AM
Joe Coral and Labrokes have Villa on 4000-1 to win the league. PaddyPower only 1000-1 ...Does Paddy know something?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2014, 08:37:16 AM
yes, ultimately it's the bookie who drives the roller
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 08:37:51 AM
The Mail are sugesting Cardiff are in for Adeyemi...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-transfer-news-cardiff-7563306

They're also reporting that MK Dons are looking to sign Samir Carruthers permanently;

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-mk-dons-plotting-7562822

From what I've seen pre-season, I think this might be the best move for all concerned, assuming there's some cash coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2014, 10:23:09 AM
Quote from: Mister E on August 05, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 05, 2014, 06:52:16 AM
The way Gabby is playing, like a kid with a smacked arse, says to me that he isn't getting a new contract. Speculation on my part of course but he's hardly pulling up trees to deserve one at the moment.
With the club's focus on cash at the moment, it would not make sense to let him run down his contract. He has value in the transfer market and one of the promoted clubs would - you'd think - be willing to pay a transfer fee.
They either intend offering him and Delph a new contract or are gambling that a new owner will be coming in between now and Xmas that will get these contracts issues sorted out before January.

Either way, we're once again seeing the negative effects of uncertainty over ownership. Not great stewardship of the club, Mr Lerner.
 

Agreed.  At this point I am not a Gabby fan and don't see him getting his form from a few years back.  But in our current state we either need to cash in on him or get the best out of him as a sub.  He doesn't warrent a starting place right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 05, 2014, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 05, 2014, 07:52:49 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 05, 2014, 07:45:43 AM
They have only probably mentioned Vlaar because he's the one in focus at the moment, I'd give one to Delph and put Gabby up for sale

I'd like to see Gabby work with Keano for a few months. People need to be a bit more patient.

How long do you want to give him? He's been in the first team how long now? You could argue that Albrighton offered more than him and they never tried to hold onto him did they? £200k a month for what exactly? I'd run around doing fuck all for half the price
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 10:35:09 AM
'Cashing-in' on Gabby at the moment would probably equate to something like a £3 million move to Leicester. As poor as he's been, we'd be mad to sell until we've got some genuine spending money to bring in a better option.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 05, 2014, 10:40:07 AM
Arsenal are apparently holding out for 10 million for Vermaelen who's their 3rd choice now. I would say going by that, we've certainly got to be looking at 10 minimum for Concrete Ron.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 10:35:09 AM
'Cashing-in' on Gabby at the moment would probably equate to something like a £3 million move to Leicester. As poor as he's been, we'd be mad to sell until we've got some genuine spending money to bring in a better option.

Whats wrong with that?  Its not like we paid anything for him in the first place, and have got close to a decade of good service out of him.  Just don't see the point in letting a player who has little to offer anymore go for free in a years time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mal on August 05, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
As has Lampard who is now turning out for Man City for six months apparently.  Cheeky little loan bid to get Villa up to speed?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 10:35:09 AM
'Cashing-in' on Gabby at the moment would probably equate to something like a £3 million move to Leicester. As poor as he's been, we'd be mad to sell until we've got some genuine spending money to bring in a better option.

Whats wrong with that?  Its not like we paid anything for him in the first place, and have got close to a decade of good service out of him.  Just don't see the point in letting a player who has little to offer anymore go for free in a years time.

Would you be happy to go into the new season with Bent and Weimann as our fit strikers along with £3m to spend on another option? Bearing in mind that £3m would probably get you about a third of a Connor Wickham or a quarter of a Ross McCormack in this market?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 05, 2014, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 05, 2014, 06:52:16 AM
The way Gabby is playing, like a kid with a smacked arse, says to me that he isn't getting a new contract. Speculation on my part of course but he's hardly pulling up trees to deserve one at the moment.

Yep, didn't some post on one of his online accounts a month or so back allude to this?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 05, 2014, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 05, 2014, 10:35:09 AM
'Cashing-in' on Gabby at the moment would probably equate to something like a £3 million move to Leicester. As poor as he's been, we'd be mad to sell until we've got some genuine spending money to bring in a better option.

Whats wrong with that?  Its not like we paid anything for him in the first place, and have got close to a decade of good service out of him.  Just don't see the point in letting a player who has little to offer anymore go for free in a years time.
I think we'd struggle to sell him to be honest. He won't want to leave here without at least matching his wages, which probably means promoted sides, bar QPR, will struggle to afford keeping him. Plus after having 3 shite seasons in the last four, he looks a player in decline. His desire seems to have dipped dramatically as well.
We'd be bloody lucky to even get 3 million waved in front of us, even in as silly a market as it is. I don't think any prem manager worth his salt is going to want to buy a pace player who is losing his pace.

Let him see out the final year. Wave goodbye, and we'll repress most of his last four years and remember when he was lightening quick and hit double figures year on year.

I also think that given how much we're struggling to bring in players, if we did sell him we'd more than likely not buy a replacement, leaving us extremely short of striking options in the first month or two of the season. It's a dangerous game. The sooner we start getting points on the board, the better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: mal on August 05, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
As has Lampard who is now turning out for Man City for six months apparently.  Cheeky little loan bid to get Villa up to speed?
He's already doing that in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: mal on August 05, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
As has Lampard who is now turning out for Man City for six months apparently.  Cheeky little loan bid to get Villa up to speed?

Let's go for it! Assuming he'd come here on YTS wages?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 12:18:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: mal on August 05, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
As has Lampard who is now turning out for Man City for six months apparently.  Cheeky little loan bid to get Villa up to speed?
He's already doing that in Melbourne.


Manchester City's big master plan to get around the FFP rules. I wonder how much of Lampard's wages are being paid by Manchester City or being paid by New York City to massage the figures. I wonder how much of a loan fee they have had to pay. Owning several clubs around the world is a great way to dilute money.

Interesting that Luna has gone to Italy considering the old jokes about Italian tanks only having a reverse gear and his liking of running backwards with his hands behind his back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 05, 2014, 12:22:21 PM

anything around 5m for Gabby would be incredible considering how fecking useless he's been for years now

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 05, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 05, 2014, 12:22:21 PM

anything around 5m for Gabby would be incredible considering how fecking useless he's been for years now


We'd be lucky to get a bag of space raiders and a chomp for him now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeS on August 05, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 12:18:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: mal on August 05, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
As has Lampard who is now turning out for Man City for six months apparently.  Cheeky little loan bid to get Villa up to speed?
He's already doing that in Melbourne.


Manchester City's big master plan to get around the FFP rules. I wonder how much of Lampard's wages are being paid by Manchester City or being paid by New York City to massage the figures. I wonder how much of a loan fee they have had to pay. Owning several clubs around the world is a great way to dilute money.


Presumably, if New York City arent playing in Europe then they arent subject to any FFP rules at all. So Man City can buy up whomever they want at whatever cost and just loan them to themselves. I wonder if Lampard knew this was the arrangement all along. What odds that David Villa follows him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on August 05, 2014, 12:40:56 PM
I would let Gabby go on a free now if it makes saving 12 months of £55k a week wages.
As for replacing him, I am sure we could find a player who does it 3 games a season down my local goals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
I'd rather have Agbonlahor in the team than out of it. Even a below par Gabby is better than the other options in the squad, and would you really trust Lambert to spend the transfer fee received wisely?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
I'd rather have Agbonlahor in the team than out of it. Even a below par Gabby is better than the other options in the squad, and would you really trust Lambert to spend the transfer fee received wisely?

Aside from that, what would a few million get you in todays market anyway?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
I'd rather have Agbonlahor in the team than out of it. Even a below par Gabby is better than the other options in the squad, and would you really trust Lambert to spend the transfer fee received wisely?


Aside from that, what would a few million get you in todays market anyway?

Sod all.
Agbonlahor chips in with very important goals as well, and boy will we need them next season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
I'd rather have Agbonlahor in the team than out of it. Even a below par Gabby is better than the other options in the squad, and would you really trust Lambert to spend the transfer fee received wisely?


Aside from that, what would a few million get you in todays market anyway?

Sod all.
Agbonlahor chips in with very important goals as well, and boy will we need them next season.

Seconded. The last-minute winner at Norwich two years ago was vital.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
I'd rather have Agbonlahor in the team than out of it. Even a below par Gabby is better than the other options in the squad, and would you really trust Lambert to spend the transfer fee received wisely?


Aside from that, what would a few million get you in todays market anyway?

Sod all.
Agbonlahor chips in with very important goals as well, and boy will we need them next season.

Seconded. The last-minute winner at Norwich two years ago was vital.

He also scored a vital one down at West Ham under Houiller i think it was. Unfortunately, he dose'nt' do it enough nowadays which is a shame.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 05, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: IamLegend on August 05, 2014, 12:40:56 PM
I would let Gabby go on a free now if it makes saving 12 months of £55k a week wages.
As for replacing him, I am sure we could find a player who does it 3 games a season down my local goals.

Utter load of bollocks, clearly a wind up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 05, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Gabby hasn't had much service from a poor midfield in the last few seasons - perhaps Cole will be a creative spark and provide more opportunities for the forwards?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 05, 2014, 01:29:56 PM
With better midfield service I'd back all 4 of our other strikers to score more than Gabby, his positioning is woeful and his finishing poor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2014, 01:42:09 PM
Hearing from various voices on the net that the Atsu loan deal between Chelsea and Everton has broken down due to a fear of lack of playing time.

We could offer him games surely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2014, 01:44:27 PM
Imo these important goals only stand out because they are now only one of very few goals he scores. Nowhere near good enough. I have no alternative mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Namlod on August 05, 2014, 01:50:29 PM
Christ!....a couple of weeks to go before we start the new season and there are so many people moaning about how shite our players are???? And to think our fans were called Fickle……
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 05, 2014, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
I'd rather have Agbonlahor in the team than out of it. Even a below par Gabby is better than the other options in the squad, and would you really trust Lambert to spend the transfer fee received wisely?


Aside from that, what would a few million get you in todays market anyway?

Sod all.
Agbonlahor chips in with very important goals as well, and boy will we need them next season.

Seconded. The last-minute winner at Norwich two years ago was vital.

He also scored a vital one down at West Ham under Houiller i think it was. Unfortunately, he dose'nt' do it enough nowadays which is a shame.

If he was a better striker, who scored more consistently throughout the season, then perhaps he wouldn't have to score 'vital' goals, as we'd be comfortably mid-table.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2014, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 05, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Gabby hasn't had much service from a poor midfield in the last few seasons - perhaps Cole will be a creative spark and provide more opportunities for the forwards?

The counter argument to this is that, in the position he's played for the last 2 years, Gabby should be one of the players who's providing opportunities, either by beating his man out wide and getting good service into the box or by running intelligent lines and dragging defenders out of position.  He did both of those well for a spell at the end of L12/13 and for a couple of games last season, but since then he's stopped making the runs and he's rarely looked like he has the beating of the fullback.  With Weimann coming too deep on the other side and therefore not occupying defenders either and attack that worked well together by making space for each other just broke down, losing Benteke (the first time) was the key but more application form Gabby to step up and 'be the man' would've stopped it being such a serious issue.  When Benteke came back Gabby in particular did nothing like enough to take the pressure off the big man in his run of games without a goal where he was clearly still not fully fit.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2014, 02:01:04 PM
I hate 'fickle' being used. Fickle: changing frequently, especially as regards one's loyalties or affections. I can guarantee my views haven't changed much over the last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fasth56 on August 05, 2014, 02:32:38 PM
Alonso is available from Real, if only.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on August 05, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
As a small note of critique on Gabby, the element that has frustrated me the most across his whole career has been his reluctance/ability to make a run in between the full back and centre backs (or between the centre backs) and go through one on one. With his pace it should be a much more regular ocurrence. In his younger days, when perhaps his pace was a touch more 'electric' he might accidentally find himself in that position, but still not enough.

In recent years he hardly ever going through one on one, being much happier receiving ball with his back to goal and having a wrestle with the defender. He simply doesn't make the right runs, preferring to act the big man and knock the defenders around. Of course, this delights the defenders, as they would be petrified if he tried to run in behind them. Michael Owen went through on goal pretty much every game I ever saw him play. He loved using his pace to make those runs, with no interest in getting tangled up with the defenders.

Caveats, he DOES run the channels quite well, providing a useful outlet, and we do lack a midfielder who can play those defence splitting passes, but again, Gabby simply doesn't make the relevant runs through the middle.

He has other strengths and weaknesses, but I just wanted to pick up on this point. He could add a number of goals to his game if he could ever develop this skill, as, despite age and laziness he still has some proper gas.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on August 05, 2014, 03:05:55 PM
Forgot to add that playing as a wide forward shouldn't stop him from making these runs instead of always having a wrestle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: Namlod on August 05, 2014, 01:50:29 PM
Christ!....a couple of weeks to go before we start the new season and there are so many people moaning about how shite our players are???? And to think our fans were called Fickle……

I know, it's incredible isn't it, anyone would think that most of them have put us through three consecutive relegation battles.......oh hang on.

Seriously though, the manager worries me more than the squad, a good manager would get enough out of what we have to make us comfortable. Not that I'm particularly happy that's the most we can hope for btw.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2014, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2014, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 05, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Gabby hasn't had much service from a poor midfield in the last few seasons - perhaps Cole will be a creative spark and provide more opportunities for the forwards?

The counter argument to this is that, in the position he's played for the last 2 years, Gabby should be one of the players who's providing opportunities, either by beating his man out wide and getting good service into the box or by running intelligent lines and dragging defenders out of position.  He did both of those well for a spell at the end of L12/13 and for a couple of games last season, but since then he's stopped making the runs and he's rarely looked like he has the beating of the fullback.  With Weimann coming too deep on the other side and therefore not occupying defenders either and attack that worked well together by making space for each other just broke down, losing Benteke (the first time) was the key but more application form Gabby to step up and 'be the man' would've stopped it being such a serious issue.  When Benteke came back Gabby in particular did nothing like enough to take the pressure off the big man in his run of games without a goal where he was clearly still not fully fit.



That is just the point I was going to make.  His game really has little to do with the service he gets, but with making good runs and causing problems with his pace and by chasing things down.  As long as we have someone else doing the goal scoring I can live with Gabby just getting three a season if he was doing those other things.

I have already said that I don't think there is much wrong with our strike force.  If we were a team aiming for the top six or higher then it would not be good enough, but competing at our current level we have more than enough we just don't have the quailty on the wings or in midfield.  With Benteke and Kozak expected back quite soon I can live with Bent/Weimann for the opening games, with Gabby on the bench.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: Namlod on August 05, 2014, 01:50:29 PM
Christ!....a couple of weeks to go before we start the new season and there are so many people moaning about how shite our players are???? And to think our fans were called Fickle……

I know, it's incredible isn't it, anyone would think that most of them have put us through three consecutive relegation battles.......oh hang on.

Seriously though, the manager worries me more than the squad, a good manager would get enough out of what we have to make us comfortable. Not that I'm particularly happy that's the most we can hope for btw.

I totally agree about the manager point. I think another manager would get a bit more out of the squad. I will throw in an example. Tony Pulis. Before anybody has a go at that example, anyone who thinks that we are not in the bracket of considering that kind of manager at the moment is deluding themselves. If anything, in a hypothetical situation of offering him the job he may well choose to stay at Palace as things stand with us at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
Pulis would jump at the chance to manage a team with Kozak and Benteke up front.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 05, 2014, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: JPartington on August 05, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
As a small note of critique on Gabby, the element that has frustrated me the most across his whole career has been his reluctance/ability to make a run in between the full back and centre backs (or between the centre backs) and go through one on one. With his pace it should be a much more regular ocurrence. In his younger days, when perhaps his pace was a touch more 'electric' he might accidentally find himself in that position, but still not enough.

In recent years he hardly ever going through one on one, being much happier receiving ball with his back to goal and having a wrestle with the defender. He simply doesn't make the right runs, preferring to act the big man and knock the defenders around. Of course, this delights the defenders, as they would be petrified if he tried to run in behind them. Michael Owen went through on goal pretty much every game I ever saw him play. He loved using his pace to make those runs, with no interest in getting tangled up with the defenders.

Caveats, he DOES run the channels quite well, providing a useful outlet, and we do lack a midfielder who can play those defence splitting passes, but again, Gabby simply doesn't make the relevant runs through the middle.

He has other strengths and weaknesses, but I just wanted to pick up on this point. He could add a number of goals to his game if he could ever develop this skill, as, despite age and laziness he still has some proper gas.
Agreed JP.

This is what he did against Norwich a few seasons ago and scored two cracking goals...and against Arse away last season - they just couldn't handle his pace and route to goal...but he seems to do it so rarely these days.
I've often said that Gabby reamins our most dnagerous forward because defenders just can't deal with his pace and direction. It just seems to be him that doesn't know it and therefore doesn't do it - enough!

He's still an asset but needs to work on his strengths even more rather than try to be an out and out No 9 which is what he seems to think is his best position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
Pulis would jump at the chance to manage a team with Kozak and Benteke up front.

No pun intended....:-)

He'd probably get better results than Lamberts been getting, but the hoof mentality might not sit right with the football purists in the crowd!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
The kid at Small Heath who has asked for a transfer and has been linked to Cardiff (and us apparently, but I have only read that on here). Lee Clark says if he leaves it should only be for a Premier League club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
Pulis would jump at the chance to manage a team with Kozak and Benteke up front.

No pun intended....:-)

He'd probably get better results than Lamberts been getting, but the hoof mentality might not sit right with the football purists in the crowd!

I am not sure I would describe the last three seasons as 'liquid football'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2014, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
Pulis would jump at the chance to manage a team with Kozak and Benteke up front.

No pun intended....:-)

He'd probably get better results than Lamberts been getting, but the hoof mentality might not sit right with the football purists in the crowd!

I am not sure I would describe the last three seasons as 'liquid football'.

Unless comparing it to the sort of liquid which squirts from the arse when suffering diaorrhea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2014, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Seconded. The last-minute winner at Norwich two years ago was vital.

If he scored more often it wouldn't be a vital goal on the odd occasion he does score.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
Should have read the next page before commenting as others have said the same.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mal on August 05, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: mal on August 05, 2014, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Now that David Villa has moved to New York, I don't even have the fleeting glimmer of excitement when I see the word 'Villa' in the transfer news pages. 
As has Lampard who is now turning out for Man City for six months apparently.  Cheeky little loan bid to get Villa up to speed?
He's already doing that in Melbourne.

I should have checked but couldn't resist the puns.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2014, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
Seriously though, the manager worries me more than the squad, a good manager would get enough out of what we have to make us comfortable. Not that I'm particularly happy that's the most we can hope for btw.

Absolutely. 90% of managers have to work with what they've got, most can't just go out there and buy success, they have to develop a system that suits the players available. After two years of Lambert I still struggle every week to see what he's trying to do.

Can you imagine the opposition scouting report on the Villa.. "Tactics? Erm.. They have a good keeper, are weak at the back, midfield only athletic and attack disjointed and disheartened to continuous hoofing. Occasionally threaten to do something on 85 minutes when 4-1 down. Most of their possession is across the back line. Recommendation: Give them the ball as they'll give it back allowing us attack at will".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

I don't think he got enough of a chance, although i didn't see him training every day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

That was a great day. I loved his expression. Arsenal fans were the biggest set of whiney losers last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 05, 2014, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

I don't think he got enough of a chance, although i didn't see him training every day.

Maybe he didn't but that match against Ben Arfa at our place last season was horrendous viewing. I don't think he ever recovered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

That was a great day. I loved his expression. Arsenal fans were the biggest set of whiney losers last season.

I remember that one bloke who was filmed outside the ground having a right old whinge. It was amazing, they'd only lost one game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2014, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

That was a great day. I loved his expression. Arsenal fans were the biggest set of whiney losers last season.

I remember that one bloke who was filmed outside the ground having a right old whinge. It was amazing, they'd only lost one game.

I remember that, too, all that "spend sam facking manny" stuff and then the likes of Piers Morgan and pretty much every Arsenal fan on the internet whining on and on like the bunch of privileged, cossetted fucking Tarquins they all are, with their "Big Four" sense of entitlement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

That was a great day. I loved his expression. Arsenal fans were the biggest set of whiney losers last season.

I remember that one bloke who was filmed outside the ground having a right old whinge. It was amazing, they'd only lost one game.

Outside of Man City all "top six" fans are pretty detestable but I had always thought Arsenal fans at least had something like an appreciation for when they were outplayed. That day and the months afterwards when they kept banging on about it they really came across as twats.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: nodge on August 05, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 05, 2014, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

I don't think he got enough of a chance, although i didn't see him training every day.

Maybe he didn't but that match against Ben Arfa at our place last season was horrendous viewing. I don't think he ever recovered.

I can't say Ben Arfa without doing it in an Olive orf of On The Buses voice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldham_villa on August 05, 2014, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

That was a great day. I loved his expression. Arsenal fans were the biggest set of whiney losers last season.

I remember that one bloke who was filmed outside the ground having a right old whinge. It was amazing, they'd only lost one game.

Outside of Man City all "top six" fans are pretty detestable but I had always thought Arsenal fans at least had something like an appreciation for when they were outplayed. That day and the months afterwards when they kept banging on about it they really came across as twats.

I know a few Arsenal fans and they are the biggest moaners of any club I know. All of the vitriol is directed at the referees. To hear them speak, you'd think they had always played pretty football. Prior to Wenger they were the dirtiest team since the 1970s Leeds team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
Telegraph making up bullshit about Lambert having ten million to spend after randy flew in - and his visit is nothing to do with the sale.


Good of randy to keep them informed
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2014, 08:08:03 PM
were they talking £'s, $'s, leaves from trees or the Vogon Dik?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Malandro on August 05, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
Telegraph making up bullshit about Lambert having ten million to spend after randy flew in - and his visit is nothing to do with the sale.


Good of randy to keep them informed

wouldn't a phone call have sufficed as opposed to spending thousands on his personal motor to tell him in person? The papers don't have make stuff up at times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2014, 09:07:28 PM
Sorry for incoherent post, again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Malandro on August 05, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
Telegraph making up bullshit about Lambert having ten million to spend after randy flew in - and his visit is nothing to do with the sale.


Good of randy to keep them informed

wouldn't a phone call have sufficed as opposed to spending thousands on his personal motor to tell him in person? The papers don't have make stuff up at times.

Presumably he hand delivered it in a briefcase full of gold sovereigns.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: E I Adio on August 05, 2014, 09:15:09 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Malandro on August 05, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
Telegraph making up bullshit about Lambert having ten million to spend after randy flew in - and his visit is nothing to do with the sale.


Good of randy to keep them informed

wouldn't a phone call have sufficed as opposed to spending thousands on his personal motor to tell him in person? The papers don't have make stuff up at times.

Presumably he hand delivered it in a briefcase full of gold sovereigns.

More likely American Eagles.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2014, 10:18:03 PM
Let's hope he's signed a cheque for a new purchase or two! No one else around to sign a cheque since Faulkner left? Surely not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2014, 10:32:11 PM
Well you can all breathe easy now.

Bendnter's PR has come out and said that neither us or Frankfurt were prepared to offer what he's worth.

"How do you set a price on such a player? It may well be that they think it's too much money and that his expectations are too high in comparison to what they can afford.  But free transfer, 26 years old, scores goals. Good players simply cost money, and there just aren't many forwards."

Arrogant cock. 

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: wozwebs on August 05, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
Twatter IncogAVFC says approach made for Darren Bent. May explain why left out tonight?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2014, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 05, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
Twatter IncogAVFC says approach made for Darren Bent. May explain why left out tonight?

Doubt it, more likely be the know-nowt making 2&2=71....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 05, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
Twatter IncogAVFC says approach made for Darren Bent. May explain why left out tonight?

That guy seems to know absolutely nothing at all. He combines it with an extraordinary arrogance, too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
I heard it was Weight Watchers that approached him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 05, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
Twatter IncogAVFC says approach made for Darren Bent. May explain why left out tonight?

That guy seems to know absolutely nothing at all. He combines it with an extraordinary arrogance, too.

Hasn't he got a 100% track record of failure? I mean I don't recall him even getting one vaguely right. happy to be corrected.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 05, 2014, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2014, 04:09:36 PM
So Tony Moon has gone. I know he didn't work out (like a lot of Lamberts signings) but I will always remember his goal first game last season. Pissing off the Arsenal fans outside after the game singing 'that' song over and over again was especially satisfying. Mind you the season went downhill from there. Peaked early methinks.

That was a great day. I loved his expression. Arsenal fans were the biggest set of whiney losers last season.

I remember that one bloke who was filmed outside the ground having a right old whinge. It was amazing, they'd only lost one game.

Outside of Man City all "top six" fans are pretty detestable but I had always thought Arsenal fans at least had something like an appreciation for when they were outplayed. That day and the months afterwards when they kept banging on about it they really came across as twats.
Was over on the far left that day, near the Arse fans...nice to see two of them taken out by the stewards for fighting each other! Just after Tony Moon had knocked in our third of the afternoon.
(lights cigar; blows several perfect smoke rings; smiles, slightly smugly.)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 05, 2014, 11:45:16 PM
Bent has ice pack on at BMH yesterday according to Jack on the AVTV coms so I doubt he is going anywhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 05, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
Twatter IncogAVFC says approach made for Darren Bent. May explain why left out tonight?

That guy seems to know absolutely nothing at all. He combines it with an extraordinary arrogance, too.

Hasn't he got a 100% track record of failure? I mean I don't recall him even getting one vaguely right. happy to be corrected.

Yesterday he tweeted "Luna deal is permanent". Shortly before it came out it was a loan.

He's an absolute chancer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2014, 11:51:59 PM
With an incredible ability to call it wrong even when logic points the other way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 06, 2014, 12:18:03 AM
With 10 mil to Spend , I'd forget long term for now and try and replicate Everton of last season and get solid players in on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
If we don't get two players in on loan in our predicament we're absolutely crazy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
If we don't get two players in on loan in our predicament we're absolutely crazy

Has Nick Powell been playing for Utd pre-season? He looked really good for Wigan last year and I;m sure would improve us. Can play anywhere across the midfield or as a striker. Think he's a mate of westwood's too, which might persuade him to come.

Edit: Just checked. He was left out of the squad that went to the USA.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 05, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
The kid at Small Heath who has asked for a transfer and has been linked to Cardiff (and us apparently, but I have only read that on here). Lee Clark says if he leaves it should only be for a Premier League club.

Looks like he's going to Cardiff...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-tom-adeyemi-sale-7568849
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 06, 2014, 08:53:07 AM
See Derby are taking on a 21 year old, Real Madrid defensive midfielder. Broke into first team last year.

Really should be using the loan system better as above poster said.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM
I've just been looking at the squad and, worryingly (if my maths are correct) we currently have 28 players who are 21 or over. I'm including Jed Steer and Daniel Johnson in this number, but even without them it suggests that we'll need to ship more players out before bringing others in, as I can't see Randy sanctioning paying salaries for players who aren't going to be involved in the current climate.

We also don't have a massive wealth of U21 players close to the first team squad, with Carruthers, Grealish and Robinson (Donacien looks a little way off to me).

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?

Nicky Keye
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: Gareth on August 06, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?

Nicky Keye

The celebrity hairdresser...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM
I've just been looking at the squad and, worryingly (if my maths are correct) we currently have 28 players who are 21 or over. I'm including Jed Steer and Daniel Johnson in this number, but even without them it suggests that we'll need to ship more players out before bringing others in, as I can't see Randy sanctioning paying salaries for players who aren't going to be involved in the current climate.

We also don't have a massive wealth of U21 players close to the first team squad, with Carruthers, Grealish and Robinson (Donacien looks a little way off to me).

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?

You shouldn't be counting Steer, Johnson or Okore, they are all 21 currently and the cut off is over 21 at the start of the season.

That means we have exactly 25 players right now, so loans out for a couple are still needed to be able to bring in the new players we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM
I've just been looking at the squad and, worryingly (if my maths are correct) we currently have 28 players who are 21 or over. I'm including Jed Steer and Daniel Johnson in this number, but even without them it suggests that we'll need to ship more players out before bringing others in, as I can't see Randy sanctioning paying salaries for players who aren't going to be involved in the current climate.

We also don't have a massive wealth of U21 players close to the first team squad, with Carruthers, Grealish and Robinson (Donacien looks a little way off to me).

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?

You shouldn't be counting Steer, Johnson or Okore, they are all 21 currently and the cut off is over 21 at the start of the season.

That means we have exactly 25 players right now, so loans out for a couple are still needed to be able to bring in the new players we need.

I may be wrong, but my understanding was that an Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on January 1st in the year in which the season commences. If that's the case Okore turns turns 22 next week, Johnson 22 in October and Steer 22 in September making them all too old to qualify. Unless "under 21" should be read as "21 or under"...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM
I've just been looking at the squad and, worryingly (if my maths are correct) we currently have 28 players who are 21 or over. I'm including Jed Steer and Daniel Johnson in this number, but even without them it suggests that we'll need to ship more players out before bringing others in, as I can't see Randy sanctioning paying salaries for players who aren't going to be involved in the current climate.

We also don't have a massive wealth of U21 players close to the first team squad, with Carruthers, Grealish and Robinson (Donacien looks a little way off to me).

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?

You shouldn't be counting Steer, Johnson or Okore, they are all 21 currently and the cut off is over 21 at the start of the season.

That means we have exactly 25 players right now, so loans out for a couple are still needed to be able to bring in the new players we need.

I may be wrong, but my understanding was that an Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on January 1st in the year in which the season commences. If that's the case Okore turns turns 22 next week, Johnson 22 in October and Steer 22 in September making them all too old to qualify. Unless "under 21" should be read as "21 or under"...?

I thought it was the 1st of August but I might be wrong, I haven't checked that rule for a while.

Regardless I think it's safe to ignore Johnson, and Steer won't be a problem before we redo the squad in January.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 06, 2014, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 09:27:18 AM
I've just been looking at the squad and, worryingly (if my maths are correct) we currently have 28 players who are 21 or over. I'm including Jed Steer and Daniel Johnson in this number, but even without them it suggests that we'll need to ship more players out before bringing others in, as I can't see Randy sanctioning paying salaries for players who aren't going to be involved in the current climate.

We also don't have a massive wealth of U21 players close to the first team squad, with Carruthers, Grealish and Robinson (Donacien looks a little way off to me).

Going back to my previous suggestion, Powell is only 20 so wouldn't add to this problem, and would also increase our quota of 'homegrown' players. Who do I need to contact to suggest that this happens...?

You shouldn't be counting Steer, Johnson or Okore, they are all 21 currently and the cut off is over 21 at the start of the season.

That means we have exactly 25 players right now, so loans out for a couple are still needed to be able to bring in the new players we need.

I may be wrong, but my understanding was that an Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on January 1st in the year in which the season commences. If that's the case Okore turns turns 22 next week, Johnson 22 in October and Steer 22 in September making them all too old to qualify. Unless "under 21" should be read as "21 or under"...?
This was my understanding as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 11:09:51 AM
Well Boro have just taken a player called Kenneth Emeruo on loan from Chelsea, and he's apparently a centre-back / right-back, so this may end their (reported) interest in Lowton.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 11:13:12 AM
The rule is (according to a google search, so I presume it hasn't changed since 11-12?): "Clubs cannot name more than 17 non home grown players aged over 21. . . Clubs will be able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences." Personally, I'd read this as 21 or under, but I may be wrong.

According to the premier league website we have 12 non home grown players:

1 Guzan, 2 Vlaar, 3 Okore, 4 KEA, 5 Benteke, 6 Tonev, 7 Carruthers, 8 Kozak, 9  Hutton, 10 Siegrist, 11 Stevens, 12 Senderos

Of those, Okore (if I'm right above) and Grealish presumably don't count due to their age. And Siegrist and perhaps Tonev aren't going to be in the first team squad you'd think.

I don't really understand why Carruthers and Grealish aren't home grown, but Clark, Given and Herd are? But either way I don't tally this up to being remotely a problem. I'm sure someone always brings this up every close season and it's never a problem. If Citeh and Chelsea are ok I'm sure we are. It's not much of a rule. We're much more affected by FPP

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/clubs/profile.squads.html/aston-villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 11:22:12 AM
Re: the Homegrown rule, I don't think you can be both U21 AND homegrown. So both Carruthers and Grealish will qualify as homegrown once they're old enough. The rule states that a player must "have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday, irrespective of nationality or age."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on August 06, 2014, 11:45:06 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 11:22:12 AM
Re: the Homegrown rule, I don't think you can be both U21 AND homegrown. So both Carruthers and Grealish will qualify as homegrown once they're old enough. The rule states that a player must "have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday, irrespective of nationality or age."

Yeah, what this man said.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2014, 11:46:14 AM
Sylla has gone out on a season long loan to some Turkish club. We really do struggle to sell players on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ajmant on August 06, 2014, 11:52:22 AM
The complexities of the rules only goes to prove how bonkers football is at the moment!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on August 06, 2014, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: ajmant on August 06, 2014, 11:52:22 AM
The complexities of the rules only goes to prove how bonkers football is at the moment!!

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it complex.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2014, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: IamLegend on August 06, 2014, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: ajmant on August 06, 2014, 11:52:22 AM
The complexities of the rules only goes to prove how bonkers football is at the moment!!

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it complex.


Kind of like manners.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ajmant on August 06, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
Any rule that states you can't be homegrown AND U21 is daft. I said the rules have complexities, I didn't suggest I don't understand them. You missed my point IamLegend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IamLegend on August 06, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: ajmant on August 06, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
Any rule that states you can't be homegrown AND U21 is daft. I said the rules have complexities, I didn't suggest I don't understand them. You missed my point IamLegend.

It is not a rule, if you are U21 you are exempt from the home grown rule so you don't count at all to any quota.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
After watching us last night and over the past few seasons, the most frustrating thing is we are not too far off being at least a mid table team.  Another centre back, a couple of midfielders and a wide option added to our current squad, along with a sustained period of form from the likes Vlaar, Benteke and Delph, would make a huge difference.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on August 06, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
 There simply has to be more players coming o this midfield, we were thin on the ground before...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
If we don't get two players in on loan in our predicament we're absolutely crazy

Has Nick Powell been playing for Utd pre-season? He looked really good for Wigan last year and I;m sure would improve us. Can play anywhere across the midfield or as a striker. Think he's a mate of westwood's too, which might persuade him to come.

Edit: Just checked. He was left out of the squad that went to the USA.

Would be a decent loan signing.  Can play as a striker or in the "number 10" role. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
If we don't get two players in on loan in our predicament we're absolutely crazy

Has Nick Powell been playing for Utd pre-season? He looked really good for Wigan last year and I;m sure would improve us. Can play anywhere across the midfield or as a striker. Think he's a mate of westwood's too, which might persuade him to come.

Edit: Just checked. He was left out of the squad that went to the USA.

Would be a decent loan signing.  Can play as a striker or in the "number 10" role. 
True, although we really need a credible, experienced and effective midfield enforcer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 06, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 06, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
If we don't get two players in on loan in our predicament we're absolutely crazy

Has Nick Powell been playing for Utd pre-season? He looked really good for Wigan last year and I;m sure would improve us. Can play anywhere across the midfield or as a striker. Think he's a mate of westwood's too, which might persuade him to come.

Edit: Just checked. He was left out of the squad that went to the USA.

Would be a decent loan signing.  Can play as a striker or in the "number 10" role. 
True, although we really need a credible, experienced and effective midfield enforcer.

Do we though?  I read this a lot on here but who has an "enforcer" these days?  Having a Boateng type in midfield, who's great at winning the ball but poor technically is pointless these days where heavy tackles get you booked straight away.  They type of player needed these days for that sort of job is a Petrov/Barry.  Someone who reads the game well and is a consistent passer.  Lambert signed Westwood to do that job and I don't think it's just physicality that means he hasn't quite been as effective as we'd like.  You wouldn't call Carrick an enforcer but he can control a game from midfield.  Jordan Henderson is hal the size of Sylla but who would you rather have deep in our midfield?

Sorry it sounds like I'm having ago at you but I've read loads of times that we need a big bugger running around our midfield but I think the game has changed.

We never replaced Stan and it's had a massive impact, I think.  Who's out there though?  I thought Ki would have been a brilliant signing to do the job I'm talking about.  If we were prepared to spend a few million on him hopefully Lambert can pull something out the bag from somewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2014, 05:50:54 PM
Yeah that's why Ki was targeted I think, a sort of similar player to Petrov from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mellin on August 06, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
After a difficult first year or two, Petrov really made that position his own. That solid ball player is probably the player we miss the most, as it would help in other areas too. Freeing up Delph a little, as well as providing cover for our ropey back line.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hale on August 06, 2014, 06:34:45 PM
Excluding those U21 we need to move on 4 of the current squad to bring in the 2 players RL has alluded to (Ki & Moses, or equivalents) and have the 25 max.

I would choose to loan/tfr Stevens, Herd, Tonev and Johnson.

However, if there are limited offers for those players, then Bennett and Baker are alternatives.

 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2014, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 06, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Do we though?  I read this a lot on here but who has an "enforcer" these days?  Having a Boateng type in midfield, who's great at winning the ball but poor technically is pointless these days where heavy tackles get you booked straight away.  They type of player needed these days for that sort of job is a Petrov/Barry.  Someone who reads the game well and is a consistent passer.  Lambert signed Westwood to do that job and I don't think it's just physicality that means he hasn't quite been as effective as we'd like.  You wouldn't call Carrick an enforcer but he can control a game from midfield.  Jordan Henderson is hal the size of Sylla but who would you rather have deep in our midfield?

Sorry it sounds like I'm having ago at you but I've read loads of times that we need a big bugger running around our midfield but I think the game has changed.

We never replaced Stan and it's had a massive impact, I think.  Who's out there though?  I thought Ki would have been a brilliant signing to do the job I'm talking about.  If we were prepared to spend a few million on him hopefully Lambert can pull something out the bag from somewhere.
Who said anything about "poor technically" or "a big bugger running around"?
I maybe shouldn't have termed it enforcer because I absolutely agree that it is a Barry or a Petrov that we need (neither of whom were / are shy of making a tackle).
The key words for me were "credible, experienced and effective": these were deliberately used in the context of Westwood and KEA, because I don't think they tick those boxes. Whilst I have been a fan of Westwood, he has not pushed on (for whatever reason) and has not been the imposing 'director of play' that Barry, Petrov, Gerrard, Fabregas and others were or can be. In fact, his movement off the ball and when back-peddling has been poor.
I realise that we're not going to get a Barry or a Fabregas but we need someone who can dominate the midfield with their movement, reading / anticipation and dynamism.

So, apologies if I misled you with the terms but I think we're saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mellin on August 06, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
After a difficult first year or two, Petrov really made that position his own. That solid ball player is probably the player we miss the most, as it would help in other areas too. Freeing up Delph a little, as well as providing cover for our ropey back line.

Totally agree.  If we had a defensive midfielder like that (Huddlestone probably would have been a realistic target last year) it would free up Delph to get forward more.  What we really need is that type of defensive midfielder with Delph and a player like him either side. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 06, 2014, 08:29:07 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 06, 2014, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 06, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Do we though?  I read this a lot on here but who has an "enforcer" these days?  Having a Boateng type in midfield, who's great at winning the ball but poor technically is pointless these days where heavy tackles get you booked straight away.  They type of player needed these days for that sort of job is a Petrov/Barry.  Someone who reads the game well and is a consistent passer.  Lambert signed Westwood to do that job and I don't think it's just physicality that means he hasn't quite been as effective as we'd like.  You wouldn't call Carrick an enforcer but he can control a game from midfield.  Jordan Henderson is hal the size of Sylla but who would you rather have deep in our midfield?

Sorry it sounds like I'm having ago at you but I've read loads of times that we need a big bugger running around our midfield but I think the game has changed.

We never replaced Stan and it's had a massive impact, I think.  Who's out there though?  I thought Ki would have been a brilliant signing to do the job I'm talking about.  If we were prepared to spend a few million on him hopefully Lambert can pull something out the bag from somewhere.
Who said anything about "poor technically" or "a big bugger running around"?
I maybe shouldn't have termed it enforcer because I absolutely agree that it is a Barry or a Petrov that we need (neither of whom were / are shy of making a tackle).
The key words for me were "credible, experienced and effective": these were deliberately used in the context of Westwood and KEA, because I don't think they tick those boxes. Whilst I have been a fan of Westwood, he has not pushed on (for whatever reason) and has not been the imposing 'director of play' that Barry, Petrov, Gerrard, Fabregas and others were or can be. In fact, his movement off the ball and when back-peddling has been poor.
I realise that we're not going to get a Barry or a Fabregas but we need someone who can dominate the midfield with their movement, reading / anticipation and dynamism.

So, apologies if I misled you with the terms but I think we're saying the same thing.

Yeah I think we are.  I think I've just seen a few posts saying we need a defensive shield in midfield and the like and I don't think any team needs that out and out defensive midfielder these days.  And I'm sure I saw someone use the term big bugger somewhere on this thread so that's why I said it!  They don't even need to be a physically strong player or one who makes lots of tackles.  You're right that someone like Fabregas is exactly what we need.

In Villa terms our midfield would be improved more with a Petrov than a Reo-Coker.  I agree with Tomd that Huddlestone would work in that role.  He's a similar player to Barry but even less mobile! 

I think when he was fit Darren Fletcher was very good in that role.  Any chance of him being available for loan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 06, 2014, 09:05:02 PM
If we have got £10m to spend, I would go out and get 3 good experienced players on loan at £50k a week and save the remaining £2.5m until the January sales.

If Lerner is playing it tight with the money and if I was Lambert I would be thinking "sod the future, it is all about this season".  Lambert has got a limited time to save his job at Villa and potentially in the PL.  If he can get it right this season, I believe he has a future at this club.

With what we have, two midfield players and a skillful forward would make a world of difference.  At £50k a week we ought to be able to get some good players but they may have to be from overseas, particularly the midfield players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 06, 2014, 09:05:02 PM
If we have got £10m to spend, I would go out and get 3 good experienced players on loan at £50k a week and save the remaining £2.5m until the January sales.

If Lerner is playing it tight with the money and if I was Lambert I would be thinking "sod the future, it is all about this season".  Lambert has got a limited time to save his job at Villa and potentially in the PL.  If he can get it right this season, I believe he has a future at this club.

With what we have, two midfield players and a skillful forward would make a world of difference.  At £50k a week we ought to be able to get some good players but they may have to be from overseas, particularly the midfield players.

Completely agree
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
a left back, a wide player and a defensive midfielder. Please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
a left back, a wide player and a defensive midfielder. Please.

We have two LBs already. Why do you want another?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
a left back, a wide player and a defensive midfielder. Please.

We have two LBs already. Why do you want another?

If Richardson gets injured, we are relying on Stevens, Bennett or one of Clark or Baker playing out of position.  Might be worth saving a loan for that eventuality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
a left back, a wide player and a defensive midfielder. Please.

We have two LBs already. Why do you want another?

If Richardson gets injured, we are relying on Stevens, Bennett or one of Clark or Baker playing out of position.  Might be worth saving a loan for that eventuality.
Because the others are shite and need selling
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on August 06, 2014, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mellin on August 06, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
After a difficult first year or two, Petrov really made that position his own. That solid ball player is probably the player we miss the most, as it would help in other areas too. Freeing up Delph a little, as well as providing cover for our ropey back line.

Totally agree.  If we had a defensive midfielder like that (Huddlestone probably would have been a realistic target last year) it would free up Delph to get forward more.  What we really need is that type of defensive midfielder with Delph and a player like him either side. 

The thing with Huddlestone was that he was a bit of a gamble due to his injury record.  It remains to be seen if that's truely past him, but given our finances we might have to take a bit of a gamble ourselves to get real quality.

See Cole, Joe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on August 06, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

I've not given up on Bennett yet, plus possibly Clark, although that may be hope more than expectation, but the other two do need moving on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 06, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
a left back, a wide player and a defensive midfielder. Please.

We have two LBs already. Why do you want another?

If Richardson gets injured, we are relying on Stevens, Bennett or one of Clark or Baker playing out of position.  Might be worth saving a loan for that eventuality.
Because the others are shite and need selling

Richardson also hasn't played left back in a bac four this pre season. He can play that role but I'm not sure if lambert sees him there. The alternatives are awful
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2014, 09:58:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

All shite. Yet we have to rely on them. Not Lambert's fault entirely because he only bought one of them. Be nice to get rid and start again. Who'd buy that lot?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 10:02:23 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 06, 2014, 09:58:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

All shite. Yet we have to rely on them. Not Lambert's fault entirely because he only bought one of them. Be nice to get rid and start again. Who'd buy that lot?

Can't we fly tip them somewhere?  Like Blackpool?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 06, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

I've not given up on Bennett yet, plus possibly Clark, although that may be hope more than expectation, but the other two do need moving on.

I don't mind Clark, I think he's been dragged down quite badly by playing alongside Herd and Baker as the senior defender too often. He looked good alongside Vlaar at the start of last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 10:02:23 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 06, 2014, 09:58:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

All shite. Yet we have to rely on them. Not Lambert's fault entirely because he only bought one of them. Be nice to get rid and start again. Who'd buy that lot?

Can't we fly tip them somewhere?  Like Blackpool?

Or just dump them at sea.

Bennett is gash, as is Baker. Clark i think would have more of a chance in midfield, but the first two are absolutely rubbish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 06, 2014, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 06, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mellin on August 06, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
After a difficult first year or two, Petrov really made that position his own. That solid ball player is probably the player we miss the most, as it would help in other areas too. Freeing up Delph a little, as well as providing cover for our ropey back line.

Totally agree.  If we had a defensive midfielder like that (Huddlestone probably would have been a realistic target last year) it would free up Delph to get forward more.  What we really need is that type of defensive midfielder with Delph and a player like him either side. 

The thing with Huddlestone was that he was a bit of a gamble due to his injury record.  It remains to be seen if that's truely past him, but given our finances we might have to take a bit of a gamble ourselves to get real quality.

See Cole, Joe.

True CJ.  To be honest, we should be looking exclusively at the foreign market as a domestic market where Ross McCormack is worth £11m is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2014, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 10:02:23 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 06, 2014, 09:58:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

All shite. Yet we have to rely on them. Not Lambert's fault entirely because he only bought one of them. Be nice to get rid and start again. Who'd buy that lot?

Can't we fly tip them somewhere?  Like Blackpool?

Or just dump them at sea.

Bennett is gash, as is Baker. Clark i think would have more of a chance in midfield, but the first two are absolutely rubbish.

And to think of the madness of some after the Chelsea win heralding the arrival of Bennett. Though when giving grades of gash Baker is pretty hard to beat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2014, 12:22:30 AM
I've not given up on the lad, especially if played as a wing back.  Richardson would be my first choice however I think Bennet has the raw ingredients to be a good footballer.  The question (imo) is whether he has the hunger to battle against the adversity in order to improve or whether he 'cashes in his chips' and drops down a league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on August 07, 2014, 01:54:46 AM
Seeing Martin Kelly's name popping up regarding a loan move..

Daniel Wass is also making the rounds with the ever-guessing Italian media claiming we are tracking him along with Sunderland. Seems far fetched.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2014, 07:20:05 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 06, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
You could melt Stevens Bennett Clark and Baker down and not make one decent player out of it. They're not even Championship players and they're in our squad.

I've not given up on Bennett yet, plus possibly Clark, although that may be hope more than expectation, but the other two do need moving on.

I don't mind Clark, I think he's been dragged down quite badly by playing alongside Herd and Baker as the senior defender too often. He looked good alongside Vlaar at the start of last season.

I thought Clark did ok last season as well. I'd either play him left side of a back three with Okore and Vlaar, or in midfield. I really think he could do a job there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on August 07, 2014, 07:54:46 AM
Clark would be ideal on the left of a back three. He can play a bit, and using him there would give him time on the ball. I also think he's decent in midfield.

I still think Bennett has something and him backing up KR as a LWB would be fine. Baker, Stevens... move them on.

We need a couple of midfielders, IMO - a dynamic 'general' and a more defensive type who can drop into a back three if needed as cover would be good (Vapour type). Then loan a wide player for the season and a striker for six months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 08:33:09 AM
I agree Clark seems a logical fit on the left of a back three. It's important to bring the ball out and him and Okore could both do that a bit. Our midfielders work best in a three too.

It's upfront that we'd start to look weak, especially until the big men are fit again. At the moment I'd play n'zogbia and gabby as a two, but that doesn't look great - especially at home.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 08:50:14 AM
Clark's certainly a better footballer than Baker, but I'm still not convinced that he's good enough to be a regular starter for us. It's odd, because for 2 months under Houllier he looked to be a real prospect, both as a defender and a holding midfielder. Now though, he looks reluctant to attack the ball and nervous in possession. He seems to be hit a downward slope ever since his mistake at home at Man City a while ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
Clark was good at the start of last season. I prefer him to baker. But I'm hoping Okore and vlaar will be very much first choice
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 11:59:45 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28675410

Can chalk this one off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
Apparantly we have agreed Terms with Aly Cissokho  , his abysmal performance when we played against Liverpool last season must have stood out ..

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
Apparantly we have agreed Terms with Aly Cissokho  , his abysmal performance when we played against Liverpool last season must have stood out ..



We're you seen this??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 12:29:37 PM
Sky's Pete O'Rourke has tweeted that Daniel Johnson is set to join Chesterfield on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mrastonvilla on August 07, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
Apparantly we have agreed Terms with Aly Cissokho  , his abysmal performance when we played against Liverpool last season must have stood out ..



No Transfer window is complete without signing another left back
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
You can never have too many left backs. Apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:33:07 PM
Aly Cissokho has agreed personal terms with Aston Villa. (Via @RMValencia).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
You can never have too many left backs. Apparently.

From what I remember of his loan spell at Liverpool, he makes Joe Bennett look like Roberto Carlos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2014, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 08:50:14 AM
Clark's certainly a better footballer than Baker, but I'm still not convinced that he's good enough to be a regular starter for us. It's odd, because for 2 months under Houllier he looked to be a real prospect, both as a defender and a holding midfielder. Now though, he looks reluctant to attack the ball and nervous in possession. He seems to be hit a downward slope ever since his mistake at home at Man City a while ago.
he will become a future Gareth Barry.
And by the way Dzeko fouled hin after his initial slip to get the ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 07, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
You can never have too many left backs. Apparently.

From what I remember of his loan spell at Liverpool, he makes Joe Bennett look like Roberto Carlos.

http://vimeo.com/92846254
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2014, 12:38:52 PM
http://www.deportevalenciano.com/2014/08/07/el-aston-villa-va-por-aly-cissokho
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
That cissokho story does seem to be doing the rounds. I thought he was pretty crap for Liverpool, but we're obviously several rungs down the ladder. I think he went for c £15m a couple of years ago.

If true, would definitely seem to suggest Richardson isn't going to play left back in a four. Would of course mean richardson could offer a more orthodox role on the left.

It's probably bullshit tho
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 07, 2014, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 08:50:14 AM
Clark's certainly a better footballer than Baker, but I'm still not convinced that he's good enough to be a regular starter for us. It's odd, because for 2 months under Houllier he looked to be a real prospect, both as a defender and a holding midfielder. Now though, he looks reluctant to attack the ball and nervous in possession. He seems to be hit a downward slope ever since his mistake at home at Man City a while ago.
he will become a future Gareth Barry.
And by the way Dzeko fouled hin after his initial slip to get the ball.

What about his one just after that for the Republic of Ireland?  I'm not so sure about him in midfield.  When he played there during the McLeish season, he didn't play the ball forward at all, only sideways and backwards.  Seeing as we have got very few other options, it would be worth another go though I suppose.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 12:43:59 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 07, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
You can never have too many left backs. Apparently.

From what I remember of his loan spell at Liverpool, he makes Joe Bennett look like Roberto Carlos.

http://vimeo.com/92846254

I'm actually sat at my desk in hysterics at that!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
This is the english translation of that website link Tuscans posted. I love the first line.


Aly Cissokho is in the orbit of Aston Villa. The French player of Valencia CF does not fit into the plans of Nuno Espķrito Santo and is therefore seeking a solution that could pass for return to the Premier Leage. The up side would open the door to a new addition.

At least so says Mark Radio Valencia, which gives the left-hander in the orbit of Aston Villa, who might even have a preliminary agreement in the absence of an understanding between clubs. With that, the door would open another hiring more, which would refers to a left side. Among the desired Antunes, Mįlaga CF was.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
That cissokho story does seem to be doing the rounds. I thought he was pretty crap for Liverpool, but we're obviously several rungs down the ladder. I think he went for c £15m a couple of years ago.

If true, would definitely seem to suggest Richardson isn't going to play left back in a four. Would of course mean richardson could offer a more orthodox role on the left.

It's probably bullshit tho

If true, he might cover the left sided defender of three CBs and then LB if we switch formations.  Like Senderos, not great, but better than the back up options we currently have.  I can only see Richardson playing LB to be honest.  If we start with a 4-3-3 then I can't see Richardson starting as the left wide forward.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 12:52:15 PM
But Richardson hasn't played left back in a back four once yet during pre season. And never seen him in a back three.

Gregg Evans at the mail is checking out the rumours

Need a centre forward on loan still for me. Would prioritise that over a winger. But should try to get a centre midfielder in too. Diame rumoured to be going to QPR. Just the sort we need though he's a bit erratic and on a fair bit of money
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: placeforparks on August 07, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
when we signed richardson, a fulham fan told me it would be suicidal to put richardson as left back in a back four.

i think (hope) we'll be 3-5-2 with bacuna and richardson as wing-backs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on August 07, 2014, 12:55:53 PM
For where we are at present I think its a good signing..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
Rodgers has always been diplomatic when asked about Cissokho's future, saying in January: "Aly has come in and done his best. He was not in the team to start with, and then he got injured. Aly has come in and performed to the best of his capabilities."

Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/290193.html#ZLpMz1pmTQxpmbvi.99

Nice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
Did I or did I not predict a signing on a Thursday?


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 12:59:29 PM
Imagine Bennent or Stevens will be out the door then if he is coming in ...

I cling to the hope these  freebies are us saving money for some decent players ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
We do only have Bennett has an out and out left back now Mr Moon has gone it kind of makes sense (if there's any truth in it that is).

Diame would be perfect alongside Delph, but i can't see that one happening.

edit. Forgot about Stevens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2014, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
Did I or did I not predict a signing on a Thursday?




Its good to see that one of our former managers still has an inside source
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 07, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Cissokho is utter cock rot.  If we sign this clown we may as well throw the towel in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2014, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 07, 2014, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
Did I or did I not predict a signing on a Thursday?




Its good to see that one of our former managers still has an inside source

Ads is still pulling the strings #facepalm
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
Did I or did I not predict a signing on a Thursday?




In this case I think I hope that you're wrong then. Cissokho was awful against us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
Yeah, but given your enthusiastic outlook on all things Villa surely you were expecting something better than this Liverpool dunderhead.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2014, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 07, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
Yeah, but given your enthusiastic outlook on all things Villa surely you were expecting something better than this Liverpool dunderhead.
Isn't he a Valencia dunderhead?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2014, 02:16:45 PM
If we sign Cissokho based on his performance against us then I am guessing our forward loan signing will be Ronnie Rosenthal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2014, 02:36:53 PM
We usually sign players who play really well against us and go on to do Jack all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 07, 2014, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2014, 02:36:53 PM
We usually sign players who play really well against us and go on to do Jack all.

Is there anyone who has scored an own goal then been sent off against us? If so we should sign him up on this basis.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villasjf on August 07, 2014, 02:53:57 PM
Daniel Johnson has joined Chesterfield on a 3 month  loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 07, 2014, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 07, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
Yeah, but given your enthusiastic outlook on all things Villa surely you were expecting something better than this Liverpool dunderhead.
Isn't he a Valencia dunderhead?

Will fit in well with Philippe, though his dunderheadedness registration was still held by Fulham.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
Wonder what the fee will be? Don't want it being any higher than £4-£5 million if we're to believe Lerner jetted in to free up £10 million for him.

I get where Lambert is coming from, it's so obvious that Lowton and Bennett aren't up to scratch in this league...I guess we'll have to see if a motivated Hutton and Cissokho can be an improvement.

On paper it says yes....paper isn't always right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Being reported at 2.5 million. Not sure what has happened but 3 years back he was touted about as the best young left back out there. If true, I hope he is given a chance!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2014, 03:53:11 PM
His English is very poor, not helped by living amongst the Dippers. I cannot understand what some of them say half the time up here and I speak the lingo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2014, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Being reported at 2.5 million. Not sure what has happened but 3 years back he was touted about as the best young left back out there. If true, I hope he is given a chance!
Can't argue with £2.5 million with him being an ex Lyon, Porto and Valencia left back at only 26 years of age. That's cheaper than both Lowton and Bennett isn't it?

I remember him playing against Man.Utd in the champions league and the commentators raving about his performances for Lyon. There's probably a really good player in there who just needs to find his feet again...hopefully it will be at Villa.

Vlaar, Okore, and Cissokho sounds a lot better than Clark, Baker and Luna.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 07, 2014, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Being reported at 2.5 million. Not sure what has happened but 3 years back he was touted about as the best young left back out there. If true, I hope he is given a chance!
Can't argue with £2.5 million with him being an ex Lyon, Porto and Valencia left back at only 26 years of age. That's cheaper than both Lowton and Bennett isn't it?
Lowton was only a million apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on August 07, 2014, 03:57:38 PM
We collect left backs like panini stickers
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 07, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 07, 2014, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Being reported at 2.5 million. Not sure what has happened but 3 years back he was touted about as the best young left back out there. If true, I hope he is given a chance!
Can't argue with £2.5 million with him being an ex Lyon, Porto and Valencia left back at only 26 years of age. That's cheaper than both Lowton and Bennett isn't it?
Lowton was only a million apparently.
Oh, I was under the impression it was some where around the £3 million mark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2014, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Being reported at 2.5 million. Not sure what has happened but 3 years back he was touted about as the best young left back out there. If true, I hope he is given a chance!

He was really on the rise. Played for Lyon, should have gone to Milan by all accounts. Lost his way a bit and only played a few times for Liverpool so doesn't really count in my opinion in terms of a body of work. He's got decent size and pace for a full back. He seems a more stay at home LB than one that ventures forward although he has enough pace to do that. I suppose it is a bit weird to be signing another LB given we are ok (not great) in that position and with other priorities seemingly.

I do wonder now if Richardson might play a midfield role now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2014, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2014, 03:53:11 PM
His English is very poor, not helped by living amongst the Dippers. I cannot understand what some of them say half the time up here and I speak the lingo.

His English is probably better than any of the Dipper community and far less annoying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
Maybe he just had an off day against us, hopefully he'll be good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 04:12:52 PM
http://www.canaries.co.uk/news/article/wes-hoolahan-signs-new-norwich-city-contract-1811043.aspx

I wonder if he did so with a tear in his eye?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
A two year deal for Holohan rather than Cole might have been the better option though maybe Nally refusing to do business with us meant we didn't bother re-visiting the idea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on August 07, 2014, 04:28:40 PM
I watched Cissokho at the Emirates last Saturday. Kept an eye on him as he was one of the few Valencia players I'd heard of. He looked pretty strong, not type to drive forward much though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2014, 04:43:38 PM
Suggests that we will have Richardson playing left wing or as an attacking option.

That would be Richardson, N'Zogbia and Cole (when fit), which isn't anything special, but its a lot more firepower than what we had last season; Albrighton, for some it anyway.

I would take another attacking midfielder/winger on loan and then at least Gabby and Andi won't play week in week out and when they do, maybe up front where they're better.

I predict we will sign a central midfielder after the Stoke game. My record is 100%.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 07, 2014, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: Merv on August 07, 2014, 04:28:40 PM
I watched Cissokho at the Emirates last Saturday. Kept an eye on him as he was one of the few Valencia players I'd heard of. He looked pretty strong, not type to drive forward much though.

Didn't watch that but just been chatting to middle son and that was our verdict too, strong, no nonsense sort of defender but not great on the ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 07, 2014, 04:57:13 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2014, 04:43:38 PM
I predict we will sign a central midfielder after the Stoke game. My record is 100%.

 Can you predict us to win the FA Cup this season, please?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 07, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
So perhaps the issue at Liverpool is they wanted him to be an attacking FB when he is more suited to being a Left sided CB ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JJ-AV on August 07, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
Richardson may end up playing in central midfield if this comes off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
I can't see how you'd play Delph and Richardson in central midfield. He could play wider though.

Never really seen much of cissokho but our defence does look like it's shaping up to be a bit more dependable. I imagine he'd play left back and Richardson LWB

I think we now need a centre forward on loan, a central midfielder and a wide midfielder on that order. We can put out a team without the latter two that can win a game. Not sure we can without the former. Weimann and gabby up front isn't going to cut the mustard. Delph Westwood and KEA isn't brilliant but it was good enough against some of the best sides in the league last year. Weimann / n'zogbia and gabby - I don't think it is
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 07, 2014, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on August 07, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
Richardson may end up playing in central midfield if this comes off.

Yer maybe as he couldn't get Ki he thinks sod it Richardson can play there I'll get another left back in, just like last summer and Jan when he couldn't get his midfield targets (Hoolahan et.c) so he just signed a few more target men (Kozak, Holt etc.).  I think this might be the las signing of the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
Nah, we still have Crouch to come.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 07, 2014, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 07, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
Nah, we still have Crouch to come.
Could do worse on a short term loan. Big Sam's after him - but then big Sam's after pretty well everybody he can persuade his horrible management to pay for.  I can't believe she's touted to become a dame!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Is the consensus that the ki deal is off then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2014, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
I can't see how you'd play Delph and Richardson in central midfield. He could play wider though.

Never really seen much of cissokho but our defence does look like it's shaping up to be a bit more dependable. I imagine he'd play left back and Richardson LWB

I think we now need a centre forward on loan, a central midfielder and a wide midfielder on that order. We can put out a team without the latter two that can win a game. Not sure we can without the former. Weimann and gabby up front isn't going to cut the mustard. Delph Westwood and KEA isn't brilliant but it was good enough against some of the best sides in the league last year. Weimann / n'zogbia and gabby - I don't think it is

As I've said on another thread, we have 2 very capable strikers to come back into the squad in the next 4-8weeks (Both were in light training with ball work on the US tour) I just don't see the need to go for a striker to fill the gap for a few games, we're really not going to get the quality to make a difference on that sort of deal and would end up stuck with a loanee for half a season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2014, 06:10:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Is the consensus that the ki deal is off then?

Trent at VT says the clubs agreed but Ki's wages demands were too high and deals off. Shrug. Trent maybe mislead but I have not seen him make stuff up. Shrug.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on August 07, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 07, 2014, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
I can't see how you'd play Delph and Richardson in central midfield. He could play wider though.

Never really seen much of cissokho but our defence does look like it's shaping up to be a bit more dependable. I imagine he'd play left back and Richardson LWB

I think we now need a centre forward on loan, a central midfielder and a wide midfielder on that order. We can put out a team without the latter two that can win a game. Not sure we can without the former. Weimann and gabby up front isn't going to cut the mustard. Delph Westwood and KEA isn't brilliant but it was good enough against some of the best sides in the league last year. Weimann / n'zogbia and gabby - I don't think it is

As I've said on another thread, we have 2 very capable strikers to come back into the squad in the next 4-8weeks (Both were in light training with ball work on the US tour) I just don't see the need to go for a striker to fill the gap for a few games, we're really not going to get the quality to make a difference on that sort of deal and would end up stuck with a loanee for half a season.
But that assumes both keep clear of set backs and both find form. That's very risky. I feel a new sticker is essential however we do it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on August 07, 2014, 06:19:46 PM
Sod it, I meant striker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 07, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
That's a shame, would have been a very decent signing for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 07, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 07, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
That's a shame, would have been a very decent signing for us.

I was delighted when we were linked, he was excellent at VP last season.  If we get a similar type of player with a similar level of ability we would be a much stronger team IMO. Could Gary Gardner do that job or is he too naturally attacking?  Probably requires a more experienced head. I've used him with mixed results there in Football manager...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 07, 2014, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 07, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 07, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
That's a shame, would have been a very decent signing for us.

I was delighted when we were linked, he was excellent at VP last season.  If we get a similar type of player with a similar level of ability we would be a much stronger team IMO. Could Gary Gardner do that job or is he too naturally attacking?  Probably requires a more experienced head. I've used him with mixed results there in Football manager...

I painted his face on a Subbuteo player and he was crap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 07, 2014, 06:34:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 07, 2014, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 07, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 07, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
That's a shame, would have been a very decent signing for us.

I was delighted when we were linked, he was excellent at VP last season.  If we get a similar type of player with a similar level of ability we would be a much stronger team IMO. Could Gary Gardner do that job or is he too naturally attacking?  Probably requires a more experienced head. I've used him with mixed results there in Football manager...

I painted his face on a Subbuteo player and he was crap.

Scoff away but I signed callum chambers for 11m and turned him into a central midfielder and now arsene wenger has done exactly the same thing.  I've got hundreds of hours of management knowledge and experience. Someone just needs to give me a chance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2014, 06:38:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
You can never have too many left backs. Apparently.

(http://i.imgur.com/HP5AFOD.png)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 07, 2014, 06:38:17 PM
I will! Nowt to do with football though. Twenty grand a year, for 15 hours a week. Your mission: Stop the wife moaning at me.

You get a 50% annual bonus if successful!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2014, 06:49:20 PM
Jeez, another left back? Four of them, five if we counted Richardson. This is bordering on obsessive compulsive disorder!!  Stop faffing about and sign a central midfielder!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2014, 06:52:45 PM
Well for what its worth I asked two of my Liverpool supporting friends what they thought. They regard Aly as a joke player and we are fucked if this is the level of our business.

So yeah, thanks lads.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on August 07, 2014, 06:53:35 PM
If he does sign, I'm pretty sure he'll be played as a centre-back on the left of the three; Okore, Vlaar, Cissokho. That's fairly solid, I would guess. Add to that Richardson and Hutton as wing-backs and BOOM! A comfortable sixteenth place awaits.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2014, 06:54:23 PM
If we were to play a 3 at the back, perhaps Cissokho could play on the left of the 3. If he's not fantastic on the ball, but big and strong, it might suit him to play there. And indeed, I think we'd be better have a fullback who doesn't get blown over in a slight gust, and who's better defensively than Bennett (not difficult), if he were to play LB.

Hopefully there's a player there, but last season he looked bobbins. By Liverpool standards anyway. With our standards, he walks into our first 11 pretty damn easily.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 07, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on August 07, 2014, 06:38:17 PM
I will! Nowt to do with football though. Twenty grand a year, for 15 hours a week. Your mission: Stop the wife moaning at me.

You get a 50% annual bonus if successful!

I can silence anyone you want. You might not approve of my methods though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: myf on August 07, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
He was appalling when we played them at anfield last yr. I was sat in their end and they were booing him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldham_villa on August 07, 2014, 07:24:45 PM
Express and Star are reporting Lazio are in for Vlaar
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
Scott Sinclair, Cissoko, and a defensive midfielder wouldn't be all that bad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 07, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 07, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
That's a shame, would have been a very decent signing for us.

I was delighted when we were linked, he was excellent at VP last season.  If we get a similar type of player with a similar level of ability we would be a much stronger team IMO. Could Gary Gardner do that job or is he too naturally attacking?  Probably requires a more experienced head. I've used him with mixed results there in Football manager...

Gary Gardner before his knee injuries looked very short on physical presence and mobility at this level. Strength can be improved but his lack of mobility won't be. He couldn't get a kick for us last season and bombed out at Sheff Wed on loan. It's looking like both Herd and himself will get chances in our midfield this season and that alone is a sign of how poor our midfield options are. Best of luck to both of them but they would both struggle to get in a reasonable championship side at present
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 07, 2014, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
Scott Sinclair, Cissoko, and a defensive midfielder wouldn't be all that bad.

Are you actually being serious? That would be crap, total crap.

Unless the defensive midfielder is William Carvalho, then yeah, that wouldn't be too bad...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 07, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on August 07, 2014, 07:24:45 PM
Express and Star are reporting Lazio are in for Vlaar
And what on earth might possibly attract him to Rome?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 07, 2014, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
Scott Sinclair, Cissoko, and a defensive midfielder wouldn't be all that bad.

Are you actually being serious? That would be crap, total crap.

Unless the defensive midfielder is William Carvalho, then yeah, that wouldn't be too bad...
I'm being realistic about our current situation. You're obviously not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 07, 2014, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
You can never have too many left backs. Apparently.

It worked for the bloke who won the Telegraph Fantasy League last season, he had a few left backs so maybe Lambert took note.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 07, 2014, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 07, 2014, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
Scott Sinclair, Cissoko, and a defensive midfielder wouldn't be all that bad.

Are you actually being serious? That would be crap, total crap.

Unless the defensive midfielder is William Carvalho, then yeah, that wouldn't be too bad...
I'm being realistic about our current situation. You're obviously not.

I'm saying only a world class defensive midfielder would make up for watching those pair in a Villa shirt.

People might not know too much about Cissokho, fair enough, but why on earth would anyone want us to sign Scott Sinclair? This is a guy who went to Man City knowing he was never gonna play. Hardly the type of person we want in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2014, 09:04:49 PM
Because we was linked with him. That's why I mentioned it. Simples. :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 07, 2014, 09:13:46 PM
Perhaps the £10m Lerner is supposedly freeing up for transfers is the price from Vlar?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 07, 2014, 09:48:25 PM
Sell your better players and buy shit ones. Guaranteed recipe for success.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ktvillan on August 07, 2014, 10:38:57 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 07, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on August 07, 2014, 07:24:45 PM
Express and Star are reporting Lazio are in for Vlaar
And what on earth might possibly attract him to Rome?

He has a vewy good fwend there called Biggus Dickus?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Didn't Cissokho fail his medical at Meelan because of his teeth or some weird reason?

I actually saw him play for Valencia at the Emirates cup on Saturday, remembered him as the bloke who was kept out of the Liverpool team by Flanagan but he was alright there.

So Peter W was right all along about Richardson not playing left back!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 11:16:48 PM
Some guy on Twitter's linking us to this guy;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_S%C3%A1nchez_Moreno
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
I reckon left wing back still as Cissokho will play left side of a back 3 a lot. But gives flexibility, and means Bennett may be allowed to go on loan to Boro who appear interested.

The Carlos Sanchez link is a really interesting one, he had a decent world cup with Columbia and looked a decent holding midfielder, but can't see us actually buying a good midfielder that would make us stronger so it won't happen!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2014, 11:34:01 PM
I doubt he's earning much at Elche tbh.

The greed of the premier league means we sometimes lose track of the relative pinnance most teams in other major leagues pay their players outside of the top clubs.

Would fit the bill, strong physical holding midfielder that could push Westwood and more interestingly Delph further forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
I reckon Vlaar is off. Can feel it in my water.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2014, 11:46:19 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2014, 11:34:01 PM
I doubt he's earning much at Elche tbh.

The greed of the premier league means we sometimes lose track of the relative pinnance most teams in other major leagues pay their players outside of the top clubs.

Would fit the bill, strong physical holding midfielder that could push Westwood and more interestingly Delph further forward.

Can't see him in that position.  What we really need is a similar player to Delph and for them both to chip in their fair share of goals. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
He's got an impressive 'fro.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2014, 11:48:53 PM
Been away for a week, I see there hasn't be a flurry of signings to improve spirits for the season. It's really not looking great at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: berneboy on August 07, 2014, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
I reckon Vlaar is off. Can feel it in my water.
It's the prostate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
He's got an impressive 'fro.

A certain twitter member has sent him a message presumably in Spanish. John McEnroe shouting come on several times in disbelief does not cut it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 08, 2014, 12:00:12 AM
Just been looking at our squad numbers. No.23 is up for grabs. Which is also Cissokho's number??? so judging by this weird theory does that mean our No. 9 will be filled too???

I know there are others such as 25 etc.... But i can hope...no?

A couple of loanee's for me will be ok in my opinion now. As i believe(probably more like hope) the club is sold very soon.
I would also love to have this lad on loan now he is back from injury. He would get game time too. May need it too in that huge chelsea squad!!!

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marco-van-ginkel/profil/spieler/147034

and maybe this lad too

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serge-gnabry/profil/spieler/159471

nice to dream i guess...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 08, 2014, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
I reckon left wing back still as Cissokho will play left side of a back 3 a lot. But gives flexibility, and means Bennett may be allowed to go on loan to Boro who appear interested.

The Carlos Sanchez link is a really interesting one, he had a decent world cup with Columbia and looked a decent holding midfielder, but can't see us actually buying a good midfielder that would make us stronger so it won't happen!

Didnt he cause an injury to Benteke??? Sanchez that is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 08, 2014, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 11:16:48 PM
Some guy on Twitter's linking us to this guy;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_S%C3%A1nchez_Moreno

He's gone to everton apparently for €2 mil. That's what the toffee basturds are saying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 08, 2014, 12:47:54 AM
I am going to cling to the Sanchez rumour until he goes to QPR or Everton. Just the kind of player we need. Would be great for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 08, 2014, 12:49:58 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 08, 2014, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 11:16:48 PM
Some guy on Twitter's linking us to this guy;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_S%C3%A1nchez_Moreno

He's gone to everton apparently for €2 mil. That's what the toffee basturds are saying.

Ignore that, just noticed what i read was a month ago. Get with the times man. The dream may still be on c'n'b.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2014, 07:19:15 AM
I don't think cissokho has played as a CB. I don't think Richardson will play left back in a four and he will. Thought the Sanchez link was interesting but it doesn't seem to be based on anything!

Mirror reporting interest in Claudio yacob at west brom and that he could go. We could do much worse

I can't see any substantive express and star stories about vlaar joining lazio. They may have reported others' stories

Wouldn't want Sinclair based on his apparent attitude.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 08, 2014, 07:29:54 AM
Quote from: berneboy on August 07, 2014, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 07, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
I reckon Vlaar is off. Can feel it in my water.
It's the prostate.

I'm actually quite sanguine about Vlaar.  I just can't see us getting a bid we'd accept for him.  He's 30 (I think) and only middling sort of clubs are getting linked.  Even if he wants to go we can just let him leave next year giving us more time t source a replacement, and we always seem to manage to find a good cb from somewhere!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2014, 07:42:41 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I've never rated Mulumbu at all. That said, we do need someone of his ilk in the middle, someone who can break up play and let Delph get a bit further forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 08, 2014, 07:44:42 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

Sorry.  That wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

Yacob is an interesting one.  Sort of player we need.  Didn't he have a very good start at the Albion before going off the boil a bit?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
We should tap into the pool of unwanted at Man Yanited.
Kagawa on-loan would be perfect. Finances permitting.
Sandro at Spurs also appears to be surplus to requirements. Another loan there, with a little help from Spurs financially would do.
Granted we'd need a little help from these clubs RE salaries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
We should tap into the pool of unwanted at Man Yanited.
Kagawa on-loan would be perfect. Finances permitting.
Sandro at Spurs also appears to be surplus to requirements. Another loan there, with a little help from Spurs financially would do.
Granted we'd need a little help from these clubs RE salaries.

I agree with you about tapping into the loan market, but think the likes of Kagawa and Sandro will be out of our reach. Now is the time that these deal wil happen too. The top teams will have wanted to keep their squads together for pre-season but will now know which players they're prepared to loan out.

I'd like us to try to get Joel Campbell from Arsenal. Can't see him playing much with Walcott, Sanchez and The Ox all similar players and I could see him having a major impact for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuco Salamanca on August 08, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Cissokho is utter muck. I'd rather Richardson there, no doubt.

Lambert really cannot spot a full-back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 08, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

I thought you had all gone mad then realised I was confusing Yacob with Lugano who has always been totally crap whenever I have seen him for them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

How old is Yacob?  Seems to have been around forever but that might just be me.  He of course does know the league well, and if he still has his sharpness then he could be a solid short term buy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JD on August 08, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

How old is Yacob?  Seems to have been around forever but that might just be me.  He of course does know the league well, and if he still has his sharpness then he could be a solid short term buy.

He's 27 and according to Sky sports they would let him go for 5m
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 10:04:02 AM
Quote from: Lambstewbert on August 08, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

How old is Yacob?  Seems to have been around forever but that might just be me.  He of course does know the league well, and if he still has his sharpness then he could be a solid short term buy.

He's 27 and according to Sky sports they would let him go for 5m

Now that would be a good deal!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on August 08, 2014, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: Lambstewbert on August 08, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

How old is Yacob?  Seems to have been around forever but that might just be me.  He of course does know the league well, and if he still has his sharpness then he could be a solid short term buy.

He's 27 and according to Sky sports they would let him go for 5m

Game over then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2014, 10:07:06 AM
If we have £10 million to spend then £1.75 on Cissokho, £5 million on Yacob leaves room for a loan fee or an attacking player or two.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
If we only have ten to spend, the only issue I have with using half of it on Yacob is that I still don't think that a striker is our top perity, so if it meant spending less elsewhere I'm not sure.   How odd that 5 mil suddenly seems a lot of money to us...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
If we only have ten to spend, the only issue I have with using half of it on Yacob is that I still don't think that a striker is our top perity, so if it meant spending less elsewhere I'm not sure.   

Yacob is a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Lambstewbert on August 08, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

How old is Yacob?  Seems to have been around forever but that might just be me.  He of course does know the league well, and if he still has his sharpness then he could be a solid short term buy.

He's 27 and according to Sky sports they would let him go for 5m

Knowing them, they would want £10m from us.  From what I remember, he had a good first season there, but has had injury problems since.   

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 10:13:22 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
If we only have ten to spend, the only issue I have with using half of it on Yacob is that I still don't think that a striker is our top perity, so if it meant spending less elsewhere I'm not sure.   

Yacob is a defensive midfielder.

Oh, so not the former Everton/Portsmouth/Mids striker?  I did think he would be a bit older than 27!

If this guy is up to much then we should buy without doubt.  Him and a good winger would do me for now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Lambstewbert on August 08, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 08, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 07:34:55 AM
I would have Yacob or Mulumbu.

I would have both to be honest.  Mulumbu and Delph playing either side of Yacob would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have.

How old is Yacob?  Seems to have been around forever but that might just be me.  He of course does know the league well, and if he still has his sharpness then he could be a solid short term buy.

He's 27 and according to Sky sports they would let him go for 5m

Knowing them, they would want £10m from us.  From what I remember, he had a good first season there, but has had injury problems since.   



I'd much rather us get Carlos Sanchez in. I know that he doesn't have the Premiership experience that Yacob does but he looked very accomplished for Colombia in the World Cup. if reports are to be believed he'd be cheaper than Yacob too, and probably command a lower salary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
We should tap into the pool of unwanted at Man Yanited.
Kagawa on-loan would be perfect. Finances permitting.
Sandro at Spurs also appears to be surplus to requirements. Another loan there, with a little help from Spurs financially would do.
Granted we'd need a little help from these clubs RE salaries.

I agree with you about tapping into the loan market, but think the likes of Kagawa and Sandro will be out of our reach. Now is the time that these deal wil happen too. The top teams will have wanted to keep their squads together for pre-season but will now know which players they're prepared to loan out.

I'd like us to try to get Joel Campbell from Arsenal. Can't see him playing much with Walcott, Sanchez and The Ox all similar players and I could see him having a major impact for us.

I don't think they would be out of reach. Providng we could get some assistance with wages. Especially considering Kagawa and Sandro have both been left off their respective clubs tours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 10:41:49 AM
I can't believe that both wouldn't have more attractive offers than us though?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 08, 2014, 10:50:24 AM
Neither of them would come anywhere near VP. We're not the most attractive outfit right now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 08, 2014, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
We should tap into the pool of unwanted at Man Yanited.
Kagawa on-loan would be perfect. Finances permitting.
Sandro at Spurs also appears to be surplus to requirements. Another loan there, with a little help from Spurs financially would do.
Granted we'd need a little help from these clubs RE salaries.

I agree with you about tapping into the loan market, but think the likes of Kagawa and Sandro will be out of our reach. Now is the time that these deal wil happen too. The top teams will have wanted to keep their squads together for pre-season but will now know which players they're prepared to loan out.

I'd like us to try to get Joel Campbell from Arsenal. Can't see him playing much with Walcott, Sanchez and The Ox all similar players and I could see him having a major impact for us.

I don't think they would be out of reach. Providng we could get some assistance with wages. Especially considering Kagawa and Sandro have both been left off their respective clubs tours.

Well out of our reach I fear, they could both do much better (sadly) than us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 08, 2014, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: richard moore on August 08, 2014, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
We should tap into the pool of unwanted at Man Yanited.
Kagawa on-loan would be perfect. Finances permitting.
Sandro at Spurs also appears to be surplus to requirements. Another loan there, with a little help from Spurs financially would do.
Granted we'd need a little help from these clubs RE salaries.

I agree with you about tapping into the loan market, but think the likes of Kagawa and Sandro will be out of our reach. Now is the time that these deal wil happen too. The top teams will have wanted to keep their squads together for pre-season but will now know which players they're prepared to loan out.

I'd like us to try to get Joel Campbell from Arsenal. Can't see him playing much with Walcott, Sanchez and The Ox all similar players and I could see him having a major impact for us.

I don't think they would be out of reach. Providng we could get some assistance with wages. Especially considering Kagawa and Sandro have both been left off their respective clubs tours.

Well out of our reach I fear, they could both do much better (sadly) than us

Those players get linked with CL clubs breadbin. Not a chance, i like the hope though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
I think people forget how hard it is to sign players these days. There's nothing in it for them to play for Villa, no chance of winning things, no chance of playing in Europe and no chance of earning more money than players at the likes of West Ham and QPR.

So that's where we are right now, embrace who we sign as it's not getting better for any foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
I think people forget how hard it is to sign players these days. There's nothing in it for them to play for Villa, no chance of winning things, no chance of playing in Europe and no chance of earning more money than players at the likes of West Ham and QPR.

So that's where we are right now, embrace who we sign as it's not getting better for any foreseeable future.

Exactly. And joining a club with an uncertain ownership situation must be equally as unappealing for a player. Especially one coming in from abroad. Why uproot yourself (and potentially your family) to sign a long term deal at a club who are likely to have a new owner and Manager in the not-too-distant future?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
I think people forget how hard it is to sign players these days. There's nothing in it for them to play for Villa, no chance of winning things, no chance of playing in Europe and no chance of earning more money than players at the likes of West Ham and QPR.

So that's where we are right now, embrace who we sign as it's not getting better for any foreseeable future.

Exactly. And joining a club with an uncertain ownership situation must be equally as unappealing for a player. Especially one coming in from abroad. Why uproot yourself (and potentially your family) to sign a long term deal at a club who are likely to have a new owner and Manager in the not-too-distant future?

Couldn't you say that about lots of clubs, though?

Ultimately, anyone signing for us is going to be largely influenced by the fact that we'll have a contractual obligation to pay them £2m a year for three years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
I think people forget how hard it is to sign players these days. There's nothing in it for them to play for Villa, no chance of winning things, no chance of playing in Europe and no chance of earning more money than players at the likes of West Ham and QPR.

So that's where we are right now, embrace who we sign as it's not getting better for any foreseeable future.

Exactly. And joining a club with an uncertain ownership situation must be equally as unappealing for a player. Especially one coming in from abroad. Why uproot yourself (and potentially your family) to sign a long term deal at a club who are likely to have a new owner and Manager in the not-too-distant future?

Couldn't you say that about lots of clubs, though?

Ultimately, anyone signing for us is going to be largely influenced by the fact that we'll have a contractual obligation to pay them £2m a year for three years.

If we're the only club bidding for a player then yes but, as Tuscans pointed out, we're currently at a stage where the likes of QPR and West Ham are prepared to pay higher salaries than us. I'm fairly sure we can include West Brom in this too, as per the Lescott deal.

Ideally, I'm sure any player would primarily opt for a club paying high wages, with a settled manager. After that they'd be looking for a club paying high wages regardless of the stability of the manager. Unfortunately we currently offer neither, and therefore have to be realistic about the players we're bringing in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
I think people forget how hard it is to sign players these days. There's nothing in it for them to play for Villa, no chance of winning things, no chance of playing in Europe and no chance of earning more money than players at the likes of West Ham and QPR.

So that's where we are right now, embrace who we sign as it's not getting better for any foreseeable future.

Exactly. And joining a club with an uncertain ownership situation must be equally as unappealing for a player. Especially one coming in from abroad. Why uproot yourself (and potentially your family) to sign a long term deal at a club who are likely to have a new owner and Manager in the not-too-distant future?

Couldn't you say that about lots of clubs, though?

Ultimately, anyone signing for us is going to be largely influenced by the fact that we'll have a contractual obligation to pay them £2m a year for three years.
Players would still chose the bright lights of London or a Newcastle or Everton over us, we're not attractive unless you're a cast off that no one really wants.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 12:01:56 PM
and yet as soon as we bring in a player like Joe Cole loads of people slag the club for signing a has-been.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 12:01:56 PM
and yet as soon as we bring in a player like Joe Cole loads of people slag the club for signing a has-been.


That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 08, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
how can QPR keep on buying all these players and spending millions all the time with new the fair play rules
I mean I don't really agree with the new rules but QPR cant have a very big turnover to be able to spend this much
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 08, 2014, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
We should tap into the pool of unwanted at Man Yanited.
Kagawa on-loan would be perfect. Finances permitting.
Sandro at Spurs also appears to be surplus to requirements. Another loan there, with a little help from Spurs financially would do.
Granted we'd need a little help from these clubs RE salaries.

I agree with you about tapping into the loan market, but think the likes of Kagawa and Sandro will be out of our reach. Now is the time that these deal wil happen too. The top teams will have wanted to keep their squads together for pre-season but will now know which players they're prepared to loan out.

I'd like us to try to get Joel Campbell from Arsenal. Can't see him playing much with Walcott, Sanchez and The Ox all similar players and I could see him having a major impact for us.

I don't think they would be out of reach. Providng we could get some assistance with wages. Especially considering Kagawa and Sandro have both been left off their respective clubs tours.

Well out of our reach I fear, they could both do much better (sadly) than us

I'd just like to see some ambition, and at least be seen to be going for players of this ilk.

A couple of top players coming in could be the catalyst for us to be moving in the right direction.

IE look at Everton last season.  Lukaku, Barry and Gerard Deulofeu on-loan really pushed them on.  Those signings were also a statement that they meant business.

Maybe I've got Claret and Blue tinted glasses on, but I do believe we can attract the right players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 08, 2014, 12:21:22 PM
This quote made me laugh;-)

Ecuador forward Enner Valencia, 24, says he was lured to West Ham by the prospect of a top-four finish. (Daily Star)

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 08, 2014, 12:21:22 PM
This quote made me laugh;-)

Ecuador forward Enner Valencia, 24, says he was lured to West Ham by the prospect of a top-four finish. (Daily Star)



Maybe he meant divisions, as opposed to places?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: placeforparks on August 08, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
how can QPR keep on buying all these players and spending millions all the time with new the fair play rules
I mean I don't really agree with the new rules but QPR cant have a very big turnover to be able to spend this much

clue: their shirt sponsor is also their owner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:00:07 PM
Kendrick has tweeted that the "problem with the Ki deal is that Swansea are stubbornly asking for £4m and #AVFC can't/won't pay that. =stalemate."

That differs from the earlier reports that it was the player who didn't want to come, so maybe that one's not over yet? Anyone know if he's featured in any of Swansea's pre-season games?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2014, 01:06:50 PM
I think he's played in some pre-season games for them.

4M doesn't sound like too bad a deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2014, 01:08:56 PM
He's only got a year left though, right? Looks like they're trying to rinse us.

Speaking of Swansea, what's the story with Michu leaving for Napoli but on-loan only?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 08, 2014, 01:17:10 PM
We won't be rinsing anyone on Vlaar though :-)

Michu left for Napoli on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
So it isn't wages as someone was suggesting? If it is a fee thing then those get ironed closer to the deadline. He might still join.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?

You mean a guy who's played for Milan, Arsenal, Valencia and 50 odd times for the 6th ranked country in the world and who's come for a free, presumably taking Baker's place in the team/squad?  It's hardly the worst news ever.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 08, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:00:07 PM
Kendrick has tweeted that the "problem with the Ki deal is that Swansea are stubbornly asking for £4m and #AVFC can't/won't pay that. =stalemate."

That differs from the earlier reports that it was the player who didn't want to come, so maybe that one's not over yet? Anyone know if he's featured in any of Swansea's pre-season games?

It's actually the (n)ever-reliable Nursey who has tweeted this, so that may mean it needs to be treated with a larger pinch of salt than if it came from Mat Kendrick.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 08, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
I think all the transfers have been improvements. Not good enough to think we may achieve anything other than, hopefully, survival.

Joe Cole was a big gamble with his past injuries and age.

If we are stuck with Lerner, I don't care who we sign as long as we cling to this league.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?
Putting things in perspective, a club fighting relegation every season with a very uninspiring manager that's for sale...yea, you should be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?
If Villa were fighting it out for Champions League with £500 million to blow then no.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 08, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:00:07 PM
Kendrick has tweeted that the "problem with the Ki deal is that Swansea are stubbornly asking for £4m and #AVFC can't/won't pay that. =stalemate."

That differs from the earlier reports that it was the player who didn't want to come, so maybe that one's not over yet? Anyone know if he's featured in any of Swansea's pre-season games?

It's actually the (n)ever-reliable Nursey who has tweeted this, so that may mean it needs to be treated with a larger pinch of salt than if it came from Mat Kendrick.

You're quite right, my mistake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?

You mean a guy who's played for Milan, Arsenal, Valencia and 50 odd times for the 6th ranked country in the world and who's come for a free, presumably taking Baker's place in the team/squad?  It's hardly the worst news ever.

So, I assume you want Heskey back? Seeing as he's played for some big clubs, as well as having 60+ caps for England. He'd be free too.

Oh, wait, no, you wouldn't want him as he's utter shit. A bit like Senderos.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?
Putting things in perspective, a club fighting relegation every season with a very uninspiring manager that's for sale...yea, you should be.

Really? Just because we're up for sale, we have to be happy with whatever we get? Even if history suggests the players we're signing aren't up to it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?

You mean a guy who's played for Milan, Arsenal, Valencia and 50 odd times for the 6th ranked country in the world and who's come for a free, presumably taking Baker's place in the team/squad?  It's hardly the worst news ever.

So, I assume you want Heskey back? Seeing as he's played for some big clubs, as well as having 60+ caps for England. He'd be free too.

Oh, wait, no, you wouldn't want him as he's utter shit. A bit like Senderos.

No Heskey is useless and mid 30s, Senderos is 29 and is an upgrade on what we have imo, ie Clark and Baker.  Vlaar could be off and Okore is unproven and coming back from a major injury.  We've just scraped through a 4th successive relegation scrap and the club stinks of uncertainty from top to bottom so I've no problem with a signing like this given where we're at.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 08, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:00:07 PM
Kendrick has tweeted that the "problem with the Ki deal is that Swansea are stubbornly asking for £4m and #AVFC can't/won't pay that. =stalemate."

That differs from the earlier reports that it was the player who didn't want to come, so maybe that one's not over yet? Anyone know if he's featured in any of Swansea's pre-season games?

It's actually the (n)ever-reliable Nursey who has tweeted this, so that may mean it needs to be treated with a larger pinch of salt than if it came from Mat Kendrick.

You're quite right, my mistake.

Same source really as the Mail is part of the Mirror Group I believe. I can't believe we're nit-picking over £4m though for a player who could transform us. I recall Deadly trying to get half a million off the fee for someone about 10 years ago except I can't remember who that someone was but it was a big name who went somewhere else and was a huge success. Anybody?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?

You mean a guy who's played for Milan, Arsenal, Valencia and 50 odd times for the 6th ranked country in the world and who's come for a free, presumably taking Baker's place in the team/squad?  It's hardly the worst news ever.

So, I assume you want Heskey back? Seeing as he's played for some big clubs, as well as having 60+ caps for England. He'd be free too.

Oh, wait, no, you wouldn't want him as he's utter shit. A bit like Senderos.

No Heskey is useless and mid 30s, Senderos is 29 and is an upgrade on what we have imo, ie Clark and Baker.  Vlaar could be off and Okore is unproven and coming back from a major injury.  We've just scraped through a 4th successive relegation scrap and the club stinks of uncertainty from top to bottom so I've no problem with a signing like this given where we're at.

If Vlaar does go, then we're going to be finding Senderos starting instead of him, I suspect. Is that an improvement of the first team?

I don't think it is. Not at all.

If Vlaar stays and the "default" starting pair is Vlaar and Okore, then is Senderos an improvement on Clark and Baker as a "next in line" option? Yes, not a huge one, but it's an improvement.

Is improving our options as third or fourth choice centre half something which should have been high up our list of priorities? I don't think so, but hey ho.

The same with Cole. He's getting on, not done much for a few years, and he's made of glass. Is he worth having as an option to come on for 20 minutes here and there and provide that game-changing pass?

Maybe, I can see the logic in that. Hard to say if he's worth it, as we don't know what he's being paid.

In all this, my concern is that we haven't really improved our starting XI at all. That was what we needed to do this summer (and last summer, for that matter), but it hasn't really started happening yet. Three weeks to go, so I hope we've got some deals lined up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 08, 2014, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 08, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 01:00:07 PM
Kendrick has tweeted that the "problem with the Ki deal is that Swansea are stubbornly asking for £4m and #AVFC can't/won't pay that. =stalemate."




That differs from the earlier reports that it was the player who didn't want to come, so maybe that one's not over yet? Anyone know if he's featured in any of Swansea's pre-season games?

It's actually the (n)ever-reliable Nursey who has tweeted this, so that may mean it needs to be treated with a larger pinch of salt than if it came from Mat Kendrick.

You're quite right, my mistake.

Same source really as the Mail is part of the Mirror Group I believe. I can't believe we're nit-picking over £4m though for a player who could transform us. I recall Deadly trying to get half a million off the fee for someone about 10 years ago except I can't remember who that someone was but it was a big name who went somewhere else and was a huge success. Anybody?

Keane
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 08, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Think it was Robbie Keane who Doug wouldn't pay out for… went to Coventry!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 08, 2014, 02:54:02 PM
Nursey's also reported today that Cissokho wasn't having a medical, which seems to be the opposite of what other media sources are now saying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 02:56:18 PM
it's being reported as a loan deal now also, not permanent. Could become permanent if he impresses.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 02:59:34 PM
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Quote from: Tuscans on August 08, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?

You mean a guy who's played for Milan, Arsenal, Valencia and 50 odd times for the 6th ranked country in the world and who's come for a free, presumably taking Baker's place in the team/squad?  It's hardly the worst news ever.

So, I assume you want Heskey back? Seeing as he's played for some big clubs, as well as having 60+ caps for England. He'd be free too.

Oh, wait, no, you wouldn't want him as he's utter shit. A bit like Senderos.

No Heskey is useless and mid 30s, Senderos is 29 and is an upgrade on what we have imo, ie Clark and Baker.  Vlaar could be off and Okore is unproven and coming back from a major injury.  We've just scraped through a 4th successive relegation scrap and the club stinks of uncertainty from top to bottom so I've no problem with a signing like this given where we're at.

If Vlaar does go, then we're going to be finding Senderos starting instead of him, I suspect. Is that an improvement of the first team?

I don't think it is. Not at all.

If Vlaar stays and the "default" starting pair is Vlaar and Okore, then is Senderos an improvement on Clark and Baker as a "next in line" option? Yes, not a huge one, but it's an improvement.

Is improving our options as third or fourth choice centre half something which should have been high up our list of priorities? I don't think so, but hey ho.

The same with Cole. He's getting on, not done much for a few years, and he's made of glass. Is he worth having as an option to come on for 20 minutes here and there and provide that game-changing pass?

Maybe, I can see the logic in that. Hard to say if he's worth it, as we don't know what he's being paid.

In all this, my concern is that we haven't really improved our starting XI at all. That was what we needed to do this summer (and last summer, for that matter), but it hasn't really started happening yet. Three weeks to go, so I hope we've got some deals lined up.

It's too early to assume he's come in to replace a guy who the club are saying is not for sale.  Given Vlaar and Okore's injury record over the last 2 years another centre back was essential imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
My only concern with Cissokho is that he was truly awful at Liverpool.

Hopefully he's got that out of his system now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 08, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Think it was Robbie Keane who Doug wouldn't pay out for… went to Coventry!!
Gregory later admitted that he was the one who felt Keane wasn't worth the extra 500k and put the kaybosh on the deal, not Doug.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
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That's exactly what I'm on about, be happy we're bringing in anyone with the state of the club at this present time.

I'm meant to be happy we're signing players like Senderos?

You mean a guy who's played for Milan, Arsenal, Valencia and 50 odd times for the 6th ranked country in the world and who's come for a free, presumably taking Baker's place in the team/squad?  It's hardly the worst news ever.

So, I assume you want Heskey back? Seeing as he's played for some big clubs, as well as having 60+ caps for England. He'd be free too.

Oh, wait, no, you wouldn't want him as he's utter shit. A bit like Senderos.

No Heskey is useless and mid 30s, Senderos is 29 and is an upgrade on what we have imo, ie Clark and Baker.  Vlaar could be off and Okore is unproven and coming back from a major injury.  We've just scraped through a 4th successive relegation scrap and the club stinks of uncertainty from top to bottom so I've no problem with a signing like this given where we're at.

If Vlaar does go, then we're going to be finding Senderos starting instead of him, I suspect. Is that an improvement of the first team?

I don't think it is. Not at all.

If Vlaar stays and the "default" starting pair is Vlaar and Okore, then is Senderos an improvement on Clark and Baker as a "next in line" option? Yes, not a huge one, but it's an improvement.

Is improving our options as third or fourth choice centre half something which should have been high up our list of priorities? I don't think so, but hey ho.

The same with Cole. He's getting on, not done much for a few years, and he's made of glass. Is he worth having as an option to come on for 20 minutes here and there and provide that game-changing pass?

Maybe, I can see the logic in that. Hard to say if he's worth it, as we don't know what he's being paid.

In all this, my concern is that we haven't really improved our starting XI at all. That was what we needed to do this summer (and last summer, for that matter), but it hasn't really started happening yet. Three weeks to go, so I hope we've got some deals lined up.

An argument that begins with an IF is pretty weak though.  I do get what you're saying but an argument of 'if we sell and best defender and don't replace him then our defence will be weaker' is true for every club in the world and could happen to pretty much any club in the world outside the top 6-7 CL sides, all it takes is a massive bid in the last few days of the window.

Given; Vlaar has made no statement of intent to leave, no club has bid (as far as we know), Lambert has stated he is happy at the club and we want to open discussions on a new deal (which is probably happening/happened this week); I think the IF is still a very big one.  Once the information we have changes then it may become a concern but right now Senderos is an experienced option in an area where we've struggled because of inexperience and lack of backup in the last few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
Senderos isn't a signing that excites me, but he's a decent upgrade on Baker or Clark. And if it means we don't see/hear the words 'Baker and Clark' in our starting 11 then it gets thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
My only concern with Cissokho is that he was truly awful at Liverpool.

Hopefully he's got that out of his system now.

he only played 15 times for them having been injured for the first 6 weeks after joining them on loan. What we know about the PL is that if you are just thrown in to the mix you can be shown up. I wouldn't look at that really short spell in English football as a true indicator of how good or bad a player he is to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
My only concern with Cissokho is that he was truly awful at Liverpool.

Hopefully he's got that out of his system now.
Cissokho almost looks like he's a CH playing full back at times. He's rough with the ball (well, looked it a few times last season). He's got pace though. He's not hugely tall though I suppose, but he looks strong.
I suppose left of three centrehalves could suit him, with Rico taking the left wing back spot.

It's hardly inspiring but if he's been deemed good enough to play for Porto, Lyon, Valencia and Liverpool, there surely must be a player there. He only played 15 games for Liverpool, so maybe didn't get the chance to settle.

I'd gamble on him to be honest. If he can show he's a decent player it might be worth the punt and it marks a slightly more ambitious signing that the sort we've made thus far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
It isn't an argument, though, it is a scenario. I was just running through the different scenarios in response to the previous poster, the point being that we don't really know how to judge the Senderos signing because we don't know what the squad is going to look like September 1st, and as such we don't know how Senderos will fit in.

I'm also not saying Vlaar will leave, but let's be honest, it's not hard to see that happening - he has just had an excellent world cup and has a year left on his contract, which is why the possibility is even being discussed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 08, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
My only concern with Cissokho is that he was truly awful at Liverpool.

Hopefully he's got that out of his system now.
Cissokho almost looks like he's a CH playing full back at times. He's rough with the ball (well, looked it a few times last season). He's got pace though. He's not hugely tall though I suppose, but he looks strong.
I suppose left of three centrehalves could suit him, with Rico taking the left wing back spot.

It's hardly inspiring but if he's been deemed good enough to play for Porto, Lyon, Valencia and Liverpool, there surely must be a player there. He only played 15 games for Liverpool, so maybe didn't get the chance to settle.

I'd gamble on him to be honest. If he can show he's a decent player it might be worth the punt and it marks a slightly more ambitious signing that the sort we've made thus far.


On the flip-side you could say that there is a reason for him only playing 15 league games for Porto, 25 for Valencia over a 2 year period, and 15 for Liverpool.

I know sod all about him so hope he turns out to be ace, but figured i'd play the old devil's advocate role.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 03:15:34 PM
I suppose if he was really that bad a player he wouldn't end up at those clubs. Instead he'd have ended up playing for some no name Turkish club...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 08, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Think it was Robbie Keane who Doug wouldn't pay out for… went to Coventry!!
Thanks, of course it was.  Ten years or so later he came for a couple of months and helped keep us up. I suppose we'll be looking for somebody like that again in January!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 03:15:34 PM
I suppose if he was really that bad a player he wouldn't end up at those clubs. Instead he'd have ended up playing for some no name Turkish club...

I don't really think that sort of reasoning works.

Some players get impressive moves without ever really showing why, some have a great spell at a decent club, then go on to do feck all elsewhere, some mook around at shit clubs for years and then out of nowhere start to look brilliant, making you wonder what they were doing at those small clubs in the first place.

We can only really judge them on what they do on the pitch, in the case of Cissokho, that being looking really poor for Liverpool and then failing to get back into the team.

Mind you, I thought Bertrand looked pretty poor for great chunks of last season, too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 02:56:18 PM
it's being reported as a loan deal now also, not permanent. Could become permanent if he impresses.

They're making it up as they go along just to fill their columns We can only guess the same as they can but a 'rent to buy' deal with a fixed price at the end would be a sensible compromise then maybe we could spend that extra money on securing Ki. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2014, 03:15:34 PM
I suppose if he was really that bad a player he wouldn't end up at those clubs. Instead he'd have ended up playing for some no name Turkish club...

I don't really think that sort of reasoning works.

Some players get impressive moves without ever really showing why, some have a great spell at a decent club, then go on to do feck all elsewhere, some mook around at shit clubs for years and then out of nowhere start to look brilliant, making you wonder what they were doing at those small clubs in the first place.

We can only really judge them on what they do on the pitch, in the case of Cissokho, that being looking really poor for Liverpool and then failing to get back into the team.

Mind you, I thought Bertrand looked pretty poor for great chunks of last season, too.

yes, it certainly works both ways. However, I haven't watched enough of his games at Liverpool in depth to call him shit. 15 games is nothing really to make a full assessment on any player. And Liverpool have churned through a lot of players in the past few years, and very few defenders have really nailed down a spot there. Even the ones that have played the most like Skrtel look decidedly dodgy at the best of times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
It isn't an argument, though, it is a scenario. I was just running through the different scenarios in response to the previous poster, the point being that we don't really know how to judge the Senderos signing because we don't know what the squad is going to look like September 1st, and as such we don't know how Senderos will fit in.

I'm also not saying Vlaar will leave, but let's be honest, it's not hard to see that happening - he has just had an excellent world cup and has a year left on his contract, which is why the possibility is even being discussed.

Yes but it's the most negative scenario possible and it's you taking that viewpoint that I question, I'm not saying it can't happen and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you taking that position, it's just that if you look at it objectively saying that Vlaar (our captain and best defender) will leave and we won't bother replacing him isn't the most likely scenario over the next 3 weeks.

He may leave, I can see all the same reasons why that could happen that you can, but if he does you'd have to expect it would mean 30-40k wages and 8-12m in transfer fees would suddenly be available for a replacement. Given when we signed Senderos I see no evidence that he was signed to be a replacement (given the root cause for the concern was Vlaar's performances at the world cup after we'd already signed senderos) and therefore I don't see the logic that Lambert would now see him as that which seems to have been accepted by a lot of people.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
Given; Vlaar has made no statement of intent to leave, no club has bid (as far as we know), Lambert has stated he is happy at the club and we want to open discussions on a new deal

I'm still yet to see or hear any mention of the club offering Vlaar a new deal. Lambert's been quoted as saying, "'Ron's got another year still to go on his contract, it's not as if he's at the end of it 'Once we get back I'll sit with him, we'll have a bit more time, but he loves it at Villa, that's well known.' But the omission to say anything along the lines of "we're looking to offer him an extension" is glaring to me, and makes me think that it won't happen under Randy's stewardship. With a week to go until the season starts there's still not so much of a whisper on a new deal being offered to either Vlaar or Delph.

I hope beyond hope that both of these happen, but I certainly wouldn't call it a 'given'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 03:35:22 PM
I'd be surprised if we tried to convert Cissokho into a centre half when we've just bought Senderos who can play there, but you never know.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 03:36:33 PM
Maybe we should try converting Gabby into a CH? He can't be any worse there than he is at the other end of the pitch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on August 08, 2014, 03:37:02 PM
You never know, he might turn out to be half decent for Villa.

I really don't want him playing left wing-back and pushing Richardson inside to the midfield like we've seen in pre-season though. Richardson is a crap central midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
On topic - Sky have just shown Cissokho having a medical at BH.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 03:02:50 PM
Given; Vlaar has made no statement of intent to leave, no club has bid (as far as we know), Lambert has stated he is happy at the club and we want to open discussions on a new deal

I'm still yet to see or hear any mention of the club offering Vlaar a new deal. Lambert's been quoted as saying, "'Ron's got another year still to go on his contract, it's not as if he's at the end of it 'Once we get back I'll sit with him, we'll have a bit more time, but he loves it at Villa, that's well known.' But the omission to say anything along the lines of "we're looking to offer him an extension" is glaring to me, and makes me think that it won't happen under Randy's stewardship. With a week to go until the season starts there's still not so much of a whisper on a new deal being offered to either Vlaar or Delph.

I hope beyond hope that both of these happen, but I certainly wouldn't call it a 'given'.


I never said anything was a given, I said, to paraphrase myself "given that the following are the facts as we know them then ..."

I take "Once we get back I'll sit with him" as a suggestion that we're going to talk about contract otherwise it's a frankly bizarre comment to make in response to a question about Vlaar's future at the club, I don't see how that can be interpreted any other way.  How that discussion turns out is another story entirely.

I just don't get this assertion that we say things like that, or similar comments that have been made about Delph, if we had no intention to at least ask what they'd be looking for. It might be that the figure they come back with is out of the question for us right now but I won';t accept that we haven't at least asked that much.

As for not hearing a sniff about the contracts, how often do we hear that the club is discussing new deals before they're actually signed and announced? Is us not having heard anything really all that unusual, or are you allowing your assumptions make you draw conclusions that you wouldn't have done last summer, or the one before.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 03:53:21 PM
I wouldn't want the club telling us every time they start contract talks with a player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 03:54:13 PM
As for Cissokho, he's never been the same since the fame of 'Thong Song' went to his head.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 03:58:57 PM
Vlaar is an interesting one. You have to think Vermaelen going to Barcelona may spell bad news for us on the Vlaar front. But then 10-12m, could we get a centre half and still have change for say the 4m to get Ki AND a loan player? If that played out, considering Vlaar has not been as good for us as he was for the Dutch side this summer, would it make us better off? It may be worth exploring if he signals he wants out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2014, 04:01:51 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on August 08, 2014, 03:37:02 PM
You never know, he might turn out to be half decent for Villa.
He certainly wouldn't be the first person who wasn't good enough for a team trying to qualify for the Champions League but is plenty good enough for a team trying to stay in the division.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 03:50:58 PM
I never said anything was a given, I said, to paraphrase myself "given that the following are the facts as we know them then ..."

I take "Once we get back I'll sit with him" as a suggestion that we're going to talk about contract otherwise it's a frankly bizarre comment to make in response to a question about Vlaar's future at the club, I don't see how that can be interpreted any other way.  How that discussion turns out is another story entirely.

I just don't get this assertion that we say things like that, or similar comments that have been made about Delph, if we had no intention to at least ask what they'd be looking for. It might be that the figure they come back with is out of the question for us right now but I won';t accept that we haven't at least asked that much.

As for not hearing a sniff about the contracts, how often do we hear that the club is discussing new deals before they're actually signed and announced? Is us not having heard anything really all that unusual, or are you allowing your assumptions make you draw conclusions that you wouldn't have done last summer, or the one before.

If I was the club, and had deals on the table for 2 of my best players, I'd want the supporters to know about it. Especially in such an uncertain time where supporter apathy / worry looks like dive-bombing ticket sales. As per my previous post, Lambert has had every opportunity to be categorical about this and specifically hasn't. On any occasion. Same goes for Delph, who is quoted as saying "'I'd love to sign a new deal and am ready to talk but it's not up to me so we'll have to see.'

We keep being told by some posters that the club are waiting for the World Cup to finish before offering these contracts. Then we were waiting for the pre-season tour to finish. It seems to me that we're only waiting for one thing, and that's a new owner.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, and will gladly let you remind me that I was, but I just don't see any evidence that suggests otherwise at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:08:41 PM
And what if, forever reason, the a player/s turn the deals down? You want that public knowledge as well? Or how about if it takes months to come to agreement, should the club have to keep updating us, should the player?
 We, or any club, should not be conducting contract business in public imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 08, 2014, 04:09:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 08, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 08, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Think it was Robbie Keane who Doug wouldn't pay out for… went to Coventry!!
Gregory later admitted that he was the one who felt Keane wasn't worth the extra 500k and put the kaybosh on the deal, not Doug.
Aaaah!! Corrected!! ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:08:41 PM
And what if, forever reason, the a player/s turn the deals down? You want that public knowledge as well? Or how about if it takes months to come to agreement, should the club have to keep updating us, should the player?
 We, or any club, should not be conducting contract business in public imo.

That's a fair point, but it still doesn't convince me that that's actually the case. Delph's comments wouldn't make any sense if it was.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:08:41 PM
And what if, forever reason, the a player/s turn the deals down? You want that public knowledge as well? Or how about if it takes months to come to agreement, should the club have to keep updating us, should the player?
 We, or any club, should not be conducting contract business in public imo.

That's a fair point, but it still doesn't convince me that that's actually the case. Delph's comments wouldn't make any sense if it was.

I'm not saying it is the case, or trying to convince you we are in contract talks as I don't have a clue if we are. My point is, that is how it should be imo. As much as I want Delph and Vlaar signed to new contracts the first I should know about it is when we announce they have signed.
I'll also add that I will be mightily pissed off if we aren't in talks with them, but i'm not going to give the club stick for something they may or may not be doing, when my opinion is I shouldn't know if talks are taking place or not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:08:41 PM
And what if, forever reason, the a player/s turn the deals down? You want that public knowledge as well? Or how about if it takes months to come to agreement, should the club have to keep updating us, should the player?
 We, or any club, should not be conducting contract business in public imo.

That's a fair point, but it still doesn't convince me that that's actually the case. Delph's comments wouldn't make any sense if it was.

I'm not saying it is the case, or trying to convince you we are in contract talks as I don't have a clue if we are. My point is, that is how it should be imo. As much as I want Delph and Vlaar signed to new contracts the first I should know about it is when we announce they have signed.
I'll also add that I will be mightily pissed off if we aren't in talks with them, but i'm not going to give the club stick for something they may or may not be doing, when my opinion is I shouldn't know if talks are taking place or not.

Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gaztonniller on August 08, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:08:41 PM
And what if, forever reason, the a player/s turn the deals down? You want that public knowledge as well? Or how about if it takes months to come to agreement, should the club have to keep updating us, should the player?
We, or any club, should not be conducting contract business in public imo.

Agreed it should be so, but then you have the player's agents to contend with.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: Gaztonniller on August 08, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2014, 04:08:41 PM
And what if, forever reason, the a player/s turn the deals down? You want that public knowledge as well? Or how about if it takes months to come to agreement, should the club have to keep updating us, should the player?
We, or any club, should not be conducting contract business in public imo.

Agreed it should be so, but then you have the player's agents to contend with.


And 'Appy 'Arry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 08, 2014, 04:03:50 PM
If I was the club, and had deals on the table for 2 of my best players, I'd want the supporters to know about it. Especially in such an uncertain time where supporter apathy / worry looks like dive-bombing ticket sales. As per my previous post, Lambert has had every opportunity to be categorical about this and specifically hasn't. On any occasion. Same goes for Delph, who is quoted as saying "'I'd love to sign a new deal and am ready to talk but it's not up to me so we'll have to see.'

We keep being told by some posters that the club are waiting for the World Cup to finish before offering these contracts. Then we were waiting for the pre-season tour to finish. It seems to me that we're only waiting for one thing, and that's a new owner.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, and will gladly let you remind me that I was, but I just don't see any evidence that suggests otherwise at the moment.
for me, this uncertainty is just another aspect of the attempts to sell. Lerner must think that he's going to sell up between now and Christmas and therefore that the new owner can cut the deals with players that need to be re-signed. It looks, from the outside, like a pretty dodgy approach but that is what seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
Sign a decent defensive midfielder and maybe get an attacking one of good quality on loan to play on the right and we will be comfortably mid-table.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 08, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
Sign a decent defensive midfielder and maybe get an attacking one of good quality on loan to play on the right and we will be comfortably mid-table.

I agree, if not I think we'll finish in a similar position to last season or only slightly higher at best.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gaztonniller on August 08, 2014, 05:46:27 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
Sign a decent defensive midfielder and maybe get an attacking one of good quality on loan to play on the right and we will be comfortably mid-table.

It's easier said than done considering R.L's wallet is welded tightly shut.
Who or where you gonna find such a player who ain't gonna cost loads or is on a free?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2014, 06:04:50 PM
Defensive and attacking midfielders of some quality are vital for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 06:21:32 PM
I think a defensive one is a must. In fact keep Vlaar and sign a genuine holding mid and I would just about settle for that this window. Attacking mid Richardson and Cole can both play, plus Grealish and NZogbia coming back, and Gardner in the mix. Defensively Westwood is really the only option.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2014, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 06:21:32 PM
I think a defensive one is a must. In fact keep Vlaar and sign a genuine holding mid and I would just about settle for that this window. Attacking mid Richardson and Cole can both play, plus Grealish and NZogbia coming back, and Gardner in the mix. Defensively Westwood is really the only option.
Defensively Westwood is NOT an option.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 06:26:28 PM
Well yes. Like asking butter to prevent a hot knife reaching the bottom of the tub.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 08, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 08, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
how can QPR keep on buying all these players and spending millions all the time with new the fair play rules
I mean I don't really agree with the new rules but QPR cant have a very big turnover to be able to spend this much

clue: their shirt sponsor is also their owner.

So it's just that easy to get round the new rules then,
sponser your own shirt for a billion pounds and spend what you like
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 08, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
how can QPR keep on buying all these players and spending millions all the time with new the fair play rules
I mean I don't really agree with the new rules but QPR cant have a very big turnover to be able to spend this much

clue: their shirt sponsor is also their owner.

So it's just that easy to get round the new rules then,
sponser your own shirt for a billion pounds and spend what you like
It's exactly what Citeh did (even though they still fell foul of the FFP) and is the way forward for rich owners to continue to plough money in ... As long as it is not completely flagrant.
I don't think the FFP are so stringent as to piss off the people pumping money into the game; despite the hype.
Depending who Lerner finally sells to, we might be happy that there are loopholes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2014, 08:11:17 PM
Manu pulling out of Vermaelen signing is not good news. They could possibly turn their attention to Ronnie?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 09:28:09 PM
Who did Arsenal ask for in exchange?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 09:28:09 PM
Who did Arsenal ask for in exchange?
Smalling I believe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2014, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 08, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 08, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
how can QPR keep on buying all these players and spending millions all the time with new the fair play rules
I mean I don't really agree with the new rules but QPR cant have a very big turnover to be able to spend this much

clue: their shirt sponsor is also their owner.

So it's just that easy to get round the new rules then,
sponser your own shirt for a billion pounds and spend what you like
It's exactly what Citeh did (even though they still fell foul of the FFP) and is the way forward for rich owners to continue to plough money in ... As long as it is not completely flagrant.
I don't think the FFP are so stringent as to piss off the people pumping money into the game; despite the hype.
Depending who Lerner finally sells to, we might be happy that there are loopholes.
Just as long as we don't get bought out by the owner of Anusol and have that written on our shirts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 08, 2014, 10:48:30 PM
Cambiasso looks like he's on his way to ...Leicester? :o
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2014, 11:28:12 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 08, 2014, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 08, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 08, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: john e on August 08, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
how can QPR keep on buying all these players and spending millions all the time with new the fair play rules
I mean I don't really agree with the new rules but QPR cant have a very big turnover to be able to spend this much

clue: their shirt sponsor is also their owner.

So it's just that easy to get round the new rules then,
sponser your own shirt for a billion pounds and spend what you like
It's exactly what Citeh did (even though they still fell foul of the FFP) and is the way forward for rich owners to continue to plough money in ... As long as it is not completely flagrant.
I don't think the FFP are so stringent as to piss off the people pumping money into the game; despite the hype.
Depending who Lerner finally sells to, we might be happy that there are loopholes.
Just as long as we don't get bought out by the owner of Anusol and have that written on our shirts.
Hehe. We'd have to have the sponsor's name on the back of the shirts.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2014, 11:46:33 PM
I reckon Ki will end up at Villa by the end of the month. 4mill sounds about right. I also think that we haven't heard the last of the Holtby thing either. Lambert said he was the sort of player he wanted this summer. A loan, maybe?

Interesting that Southampton have named their new captain today. I would have thought they'd use the armband to entice Vlaar!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 09, 2014, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2014, 09:28:09 PM
Who did Arsenal ask for in exchange?
Smalling I believe.

That must be bollocks. Snap, hand, and off, come to mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on August 09, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
Villa certainly keep their transfer dealings very close to their chest, I dont think many rumours from the media that have been posted on H@V have ever had any substance, the signings are almost always a surprise to us, maybe their are a couple more to come that will get us a bit more excited.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2014, 12:36:51 PM
We desperately need a couple of players and they need to be of good quality. Randy needs to realise that whilst the club is up for sale he needs to keep a reasonable level of investment or we'll go down and he'll have no chance of selling us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 09, 2014, 12:38:46 PM
Anyone think this about turn by Lambert in going for experience has anything to do with Keane,looking at the potential back four who are all big units,if this is followed by a big DFM to protect them its a big change?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 09, 2014, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2014, 12:36:51 PM
We desperately need a couple of players and they need to be of good quality. Randy needs to realise that whilst the club is up for sale he needs to keep a reasonable level of investment or we'll go down and he'll have no chance of selling us.

I'm worried he doesn't realise that at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 09, 2014, 01:18:48 PM
So, if Holtby and Ki come in we'll have a very tidy-looking team.

Dream on, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 09, 2014, 01:18:48 PM
So, if Holtby and Ki come in we'll have a very tidy-looking team.

Dream on, I'm guessing.
Get those two and we won't be struggling.
I'll start dreaming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 09, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
Ki and Holtby would be great signings, but I feel we need a specialist defensive player in central midfield too. Someone who can offer some protection to the defence is a must.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on August 09, 2014, 02:01:10 PM
I really don't get all the fuss about Holtby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on August 09, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2720579/Manchester-United-fire-sale-These-six-misfits-heading-Old-Trafford-exit-going.html

Paper talk but let's assume this is true we should be going all out for Kagawa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2014, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 09, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2720579/Manchester-United-fire-sale-These-six-misfits-heading-Old-Trafford-exit-going.html

Paper talk but let's assume this is true we should be going all out for Kagawa.
We'd have a shot at Zaha. No chance in hell (sadly) of Kagawa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2014, 02:34:20 PM
Indeed Kagawa would have lots of interest sadly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
Kagawa could be used on loan as Vlaar bait, in the Chelsea style hope of taking points from rivals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 09, 2014, 02:51:32 PM
Kagawa?

Dream on
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2014, 10:45:22 PM
Kagawa is probably already on a good wage. Unlikely to happen methinks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
Even if we could find the wages for Kagawa, he's going to have, at the very least, about three dozen more appealing options than us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 10, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
Even if we could find the wages for Kagawa, he's going to have, at the very least, about three dozen more appealing options than us.

Think Utd are crazy to be trying to move him on in the first place, easily one of their best midfield players at a time when their midfield is a bit naff.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 10, 2014, 11:29:50 AM
 The days of us signing players like Kagawa and Hernandez are, temporarily hopefully, gone.......but Maxime Lestienne for £4m is another story.

 Sanchez and Lestienne, i would be quite confident of finishing mid-table, and getting better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 10, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 10, 2014, 11:29:50 AM
The days of us signing players like Kagawa and Hernandez are, temporarily hopefully, gone.......but Maxime Lestienne for £4m is another story.

 Sanchez and Lestienne, i would be quite confident of finishing mid-table, and getting better.

Surely Roy Keane with his Man Utd connections could help to secure a deal? Even a loan deal....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on August 10, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 10, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 10, 2014, 11:29:50 AM
The days of us signing players like Kagawa and Hernandez are, temporarily hopefully, gone.......but Maxime Lestienne for £4m is another story.

 Sanchez and Lestienne, i would be quite confident of finishing mid-table, and getting better.

Surely Roy Keane with his Man Utd connections could help to secure a deal? Even a loan deal....

I suppose it depends on how Keane gets on with his Man Utd connections nowadays!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
What about Lucas from Liverpool  A solid DMC who has been frozen out at Liverpool.
De Guzman is being linked with QPR today for 7m.

Either or both would improve us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 10, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
What about Lucas from Liverpool  A solid DMC who has been frozen out at Liverpool.
De Guzman is being linked with QPR today for 7m.

Either of both would improve us.

I would take either at the moment, but sadly think they might be out of our price range.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 10, 2014, 11:58:30 AM
Kagawa? That made me laugh. Ridiculous suggestion. He'd walk into a lot of top sides round Europe. Doubt he'd fancy a skint, bottom 5 relegation battling team. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 10, 2014, 01:19:03 PM
Both Ki and Holtby played for their teams yesterday in friendly games. I think their Managers have targets to chase and inuries to contend with at the moment but I reckon one or the other will be at Villa before the window closes. £20 donation to H+V if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 10, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
Kagawa is worth more to them off the pitch than he is on it. They'd only sell him if they got a really good offer, definitely wouldn't loan him out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 10, 2014, 01:35:31 PM
I think Holtby's wages will be well out of our reach at the moment. Would still like Ki. Although if Ki staying at Swansea means they won't be buying De Guzman I'd love us to get him. He'd be absolutely ideal for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 10, 2014, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 10, 2014, 01:19:03 PM
Both Ki and Holtby played for their teams yesterday in friendly games. I think their Managers have targets to chase and inuries to contend with at the moment but I reckon one or the other will be at Villa before the window closes. £20 donation to H+V if I am wrong.


I'll match that if one or both do sign
Either way h+v will be 20 sovs the better
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 10, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
I don't get the impression that he's a particularly credible source, but that IncogAVFC on Twitter reckons that Carlos Sanchez had arrived in the UK and will be at Bodymoor tomorrow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
I will donate £10 to H&V if IncogAVFC is right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2014, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 10, 2014, 11:29:50 AM
The days of us signing players like Kagawa and Hernandez are, temporarily hopefully, gone.......but Maxime Lestienne for £4m is another story.

 Sanchez and Lestienne, i would be quite confident of finishing mid-table, and getting better.

Same would apply if we bought Sanchez and De Guzman.  Those two in midfield along with Delph, would hopefully see a big improvement. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 03:03:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
I will donate £10 to H&V if IncogAVFC is right.

Law of averages is that if he guesses enough names one of them will join us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 04:22:02 PM
He's only picked that up from elsewhere though. There's a fair bit of talk about Carlos Sanchez on Twitter at the moment. All horseshit I imagine though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Merv on August 10, 2014, 04:24:48 PM
That's right - Sanchez was linked on Thursday evening. Incog is a few days late on it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Tonev to Celtic according to various media outlets
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 10, 2014, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Tonev to Celtic according to various media outlets
Would be a good move for him. Gets to play flat track bully in that shite league, but with a big game atmos. Plus, if the actually stay in until the group stages, he'll have Champs League games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
The guy who started the Sanchez rumour on Thursday, also said Tonev to Celtic in the same post.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 10, 2014, 04:53:19 PM
Recall  this  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/colombia/10943997/World-Cup-2014-Why-Carlos-Sanchez-is-crucial-to-Colombias-hope-of-ruining-Brazils-party-in-Fortaleza.html) write up about Sanchez in the Telegraph prior to the Brazil game:

Quote

World Cup 2014: Why Carlos Sanchez is crucial to Colombia's hope of ruining Brazil's party in Fortaleza
The view from Colombia: Carlos Sįnchez is unspectacular and his route to the team has been erractic. Yet he could just be the man to guide Colombia to the last four
World Cup 2014: Why The Rock is crucial to Colombia's hope of ruining Brazil's party in Fortaleza


By Juan Arango

7:00AM BST 04 Jul 2014

CommentsComment

There is nothing spectacular, nothing jaw-dropping about Carlos Sįnchez. His contributions to Colombia’s progress to Saturday’s quarter-final with Brazil have been as understated as James Rodrķguez’s have been amazing.

But by quietly shutting down the attacks of Greece, Ivory Coast and Uruguay he has been fundamental to Colombia’s success.

Sįnchez closes off angles, he spreads the ball wide, he is the pivot in the middle to switch the ball from defence to attack. He has lived up to his nickname of “The Rock”.

The defensive midfielder, now 28, moved to Spanish club Elche from Valenciennes last year and has interested Seville. But his path to international success has not been smooth.

When then-coach Jorge Luis Pinto called up Sįnchez to the national side in 2007, many in the press asked one question: “Who is he?”

The Quibdó native is one of the few players of his generation not developed in Colombia and his emergence in the national team was one of the biggest surprises of the past few years.

Sįnchez left Colombia at 17 and headed to a club known for developing talent in the southern cone of South America, Uruguayan side Danubio.

In his two years there, he was unable to break into the squad and saw another youngster emerge and then end up as an international superstar – Edinson Cavani.

Sįnchez then headed to another Uruguayan side, River Plate, where he started to earn status in a side who quickly became league and cup contenders.

His performances earned him the chance to head to French side Valenciennes, where he immediately made an impact with the team.

From that point he became better known in Colombia and, alongside Edwin Valencia and Fredy Guarķn, was seen as one of the pillars of the midfield in the team’s recovery.

He became one of José Pékerman’s go-to players from the beginning of his tenure back in 2012.

During this time The Rock has become much smoother. He is more polished and flowing in his play and has simplified his game to make it much easier for his team to come out from the back.

That was why there was no hesitation for the Argentine coach to bring in his destroyer in the middle to play alongside Abel Aguilar as part as one of the most solid spines in this World Cup.

Sįnchez will be the man Colombia will want to slow down Neymar and Brazil.

At the Arena Castelao Sįnchez will earn his 49th cap for Los Cafeteros but is ready to help the Colombians get to even higher ground and reach his half-century while still in Brazil.


Pretty much exactly what we're looking for, in other words. 

Would want to see a few more credible links before I'd get too excited though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 04:55:41 PM
I'd really hope it's true, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 05:19:18 PM
Heard on Talksport a journalist mentioning we have made enquiries about Wigans James McClean.

Hope not, I think he's dump.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 05:19:52 PM
He is rubbish.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 10, 2014, 05:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 05:19:18 PM
Heard on Talksport a journalist mentioning we have made enquiries about Wigans James McClean.

Hope not, I think he's dump.

Oh dear god no.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 05:24:46 PM
Oh fuck no. Please dear lord let it not be the case. I don't think I'll have the will to live if we sign him. If we sign him I'll burn all of my Villa gear and burn off my tattoo. How low will we have sunk?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
I pray that isn't true, he's garbage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 10, 2014, 05:25:54 PM
Rubbish and stupid.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2014, 05:31:27 PM
yes, the next thing you know, someone will be talking about us signing Grant Holt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 10, 2014, 05:43:46 PM
If we sign James Mclean I'm giving up
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
I hope the link is actually J.McLean with the J being John. Because I want him to say after each goal to the opposing keeper "yippee ki yay mother fucker"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on August 10, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
Signing McLean would be a kick in the teeth.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2014, 05:58:21 PM
I'd feel like kicking someone in the teeth, but it's horseshit surely
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
Stinks of a Villa signing to me. A championship player who will cost next to nothing, connections to the Irish team, played under Keane at Sunderland and more importantly he's crap.

Has Lamberts name written all over it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 10, 2014, 06:17:51 PM
Not my normal source but I heard something about Sanchez coming in next week yesterday. We shall see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 10, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: ev on August 10, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
Signing McLean would be a kick in the teeth.

Don't just brush this away with out thinking. You never know, he could turn about to be a legend worthy of a plaque at Villa Park
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 06:18:05 PM
Good player, fear he'd want to join a bigger club than us though. *sad emoji*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 10, 2014, 06:53:28 PM
Wigan have had a few players beginning with 'Mc' recently, I reckon the club shop are low on the letters and they have to ship one of them out. Villa, on thč other hand have overstocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 10, 2014, 06:58:07 PM
Links don't mean a thing. Who linked us with Sissokho before he signed?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Summers on August 10, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
Cissokho.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
I pray that isn't true, he's garbage.

After a decent start at Sunderland, he's done very little over a couple of seasons.  Added to that, he also has some  baggage which is never really ideal.  I would be more encouraged if it was McManaman we were after.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
Stinks of a Villa signing to me. A championship player who will cost next to nothing, connections to the Irish team, played under Keane at Sunderland and more importantly he's crap.

Has Lamberts name written all over it.

Remind me - how many of our signings does that apply to? I make it none.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 10, 2014, 09:14:43 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 10, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
I pray that isn't true, he's garbage.

After a decent start at Sunderland, he's done very little over a couple of seasons.  Added to that, he also has some  baggage which is never really ideal.  I would be more encouraged if it was McManaman we were after.   

Steve
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2014, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
I will donate £10 to H&V if IncogAVFC is right.
I will match that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
I don't think we can brush away this McClean rumour!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on August 10, 2014, 10:32:34 PM
You will always get linked with the shit in our position.Until they put pen to paper I am not taking any notice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
Good luck Tonev. You just didn't cut it at all in the PL. Maybe Scotland will be a better fit for you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 11:41:28 PM
Another poor purchase it seems. An inexpensive mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 11:41:28 PM
Another poor purchase it seems. An inexpensive mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.

It's a loan so if he gets playing well and confidence up he can always come back and start again. Every club makes them and for us it is better than making the "paid 7m on 50k a week" mistake that we've made in the past and a lot of clubs still make.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 11:54:32 PM
Well I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 12:08:41 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 11:41:28 PM
Another poor purchase it seems. An inexpensive mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.

It's a loan so if he gets playing well and confidence up he can always come back and start again. Every club makes them and for us it is better than making the "paid 7m on 50k a week" mistake that we've made in the past and a lot of clubs still make.

True.

Mind you, so is selling players who don't do it for you rather than just loaning them out. We don't seem to do that.

Does anyone really think Luna is going to come back, magically improved after a year at Verona?

Slightly different, though, I don't know why, but I have a sneaking feeling Tonev might have something to offer. Mind you, I thought that about Helenius too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
I am guessing we would have sold them if we could but if Luna performs in Italy we have an option of bringing him back or he will alternatively have a resale value. If Tonev does some serious damage in Scotland with Celtic then the same thing applies. Helenius seems to be Steve 'Lonely Boy' Hodge MKII.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
I am guessing we would have sold them if we could but if Luna performs in Italy we have an option of bringing him back or he will alternatively have a resale value. If Tonev does some serious damage in Scotland with Celtic then the same thing applies. Helenius seems to be Steve 'Lonely Boy' Hodge MKII.

I doubt any of them are on much, so I assume the clubs they are going to will be paying pretty much all their wages. So we basically get a free year out of them to see if
a) they can be of use to us in the future
2) hope they have good seasons that mean we will get some decent money for them next summer
III) Be consistent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
I am guessing we would have sold them if we could but if Luna performs in Italy we have an option of bringing him back or he will alternatively have a resale value. If Tonev does some serious damage in Scotland with Celtic then the same thing applies. Helenius seems to be Steve 'Lonely Boy' Hodge MKII.

I doubt any of them are on much, so I assume the clubs they are going to will be paying pretty much all their wages. So we basically get a free year out of them to see if
a) they can be of use to us in the future
2) hope they have good seasons that mean we will get some decent money for them next summer
III) Be consistent

You totally plagiarised my post them and just added 'be consistent' to it. No wonder people get annoyed with the mods on here and bugger to the the bar of whatever it's called. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2014, 12:38:41 AM
Telegraph say we're in talks to sign Carlos Sanchez from Elche for 4m.

Looks like he's the backup now Ki move is off....and not a bad alternative at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 11, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
Stinks of a Villa signing to me. A championship player who will cost next to nothing, connections to the Irish team, played under Keane at Sunderland and more importantly he's crap.

Has Lamberts name written all over it.

Remind me - how many of our signings does that apply to? I make it none.
Well I wasn't actually comparing him to anyone. Lambert has bought a few players from the lower leagues, all fairly cheap and not very good. That with Keane and MON connections makes me feel it's a typical Villa signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2014, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 11, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
Stinks of a Villa signing to me. A championship player who will cost next to nothing, connections to the Irish team, played under Keane at Sunderland and more importantly he's crap.

Has Lamberts name written all over it.

Remind me - how many of our signings does that apply to? I make it none.
Well I wasn't actually comparing him to anyone. Lambert has bought a few players from the lower leagues, all fairly cheap and not very good. That with Keane and MON connections makes me feel it's a typical Villa signing.

It can't be typical if it's not happened before.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 11, 2014, 12:42:15 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2014, 12:38:41 AM
Telegraph say we're in talks to sign Carlos Sanchez from Elche for 4m.

Looks like he's the backup now Ki move is off....and not a bad alternative at all.
I've never heard of him and can't say I really remember him in the World Cup but others are saying he's what we need so I'll go with that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2014, 12:38:41 AM
Telegraph say we're in talks to sign Carlos Sanchez from Elche for 4m.

Looks like he's the backup now Ki move is off....and not a bad alternative at all.

Far from a bad alternative. I would be delighted to get him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2014, 12:45:59 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11025073/.html

This is more like it if true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 11, 2014, 12:47:13 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2014, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 11, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 10, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
Stinks of a Villa signing to me. A championship player who will cost next to nothing, connections to the Irish team, played under Keane at Sunderland and more importantly he's crap.

Has Lamberts name written all over it.

Remind me - how many of our signings does that apply to? I make it none.
Well I wasn't actually comparing him to anyone. Lambert has bought a few players from the lower leagues, all fairly cheap and not very good. That with Keane and MON connections makes me feel it's a typical Villa signing.
Crap, lower league footballers joining Villa...that's typical. With Richardson joining who played under Keane which might of influenced Lambert's decision to sign him then McClean could be another....which would make it typical. Unless I'm wording it wrong.

Get off my back, I've had a Baileys.

It can't be typical if it's not happened before.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 12:47:58 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
I am guessing we would have sold them if we could but if Luna performs in Italy we have an option of bringing him back or he will alternatively have a resale value. If Tonev does some serious damage in Scotland with Celtic then the same thing applies. Helenius seems to be Steve 'Lonely Boy' Hodge MKII.

I doubt any of them are on much, so I assume the clubs they are going to will be paying pretty much all their wages. So we basically get a free year out of them to see if
a) they can be of use to us in the future
2) hope they have good seasons that mean we will get some decent money for them next summer
III) Be consistent

You totally plagiarised my post them and just added 'be consistent' to it. No wonder people get annoyed with the mods on here and bugger to the the bar of whatever it's called. ;)

You stole my thoughts first. Thought thief!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Summers on August 11, 2014, 12:50:14 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2014, 12:45:59 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11025073/.html

This is more like it if true.

I hope so. La Roca would be a perfect fit for our midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:52:48 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 12:47:58 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
I am guessing we would have sold them if we could but if Luna performs in Italy we have an option of bringing him back or he will alternatively have a resale value. If Tonev does some serious damage in Scotland with Celtic then the same thing applies. Helenius seems to be Steve 'Lonely Boy' Hodge MKII.

I doubt any of them are on much, so I assume the clubs they are going to will be paying pretty much all their wages. So we basically get a free year out of them to see if
a) they can be of use to us in the future
2) hope they have good seasons that mean we will get some decent money for them next summer
III) Be consistent

You totally plagiarised my post them and just added 'be consistent' to it. No wonder people get annoyed with the mods on here and bugger to the the bar of whatever it's called. ;)

You stole my thoughts first. Thought thief!


Thought thief???? I bet you didn't even come up with that yourself. I think at some point you have watched some weird film called 'Thought Thief'. Be honest, you are racking your brains right now because you suspect that might be the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 11, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
Quote from: Summers on August 11, 2014, 12:50:14 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2014, 12:45:59 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11025073/.html

This is more like it if true.

I hope so. La Roca would be a perfect fit for our midfield.

Sounds an ideal signing to me, could make a big difference to us giving our defensive weaknesses.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 12:59:16 AM
Concrete Ron and the Rock in the same side. I like it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 11, 2014, 02:08:46 AM
Add this lad and maybe then loan Moses or Sinclair and we will be looking much much better. Then nip in for Ki on deadline day for a bit of greed. And Holtby. I can dream of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 11, 2014, 02:26:33 AM
I would be well pleased with Sanchez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2014, 02:31:11 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2014, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2014, 12:38:41 AM
Telegraph say we're in talks to sign Carlos Sanchez from Elche for 4m.

Looks like he's the backup now Ki move is off....and not a bad alternative at all.

Far from a bad alternative. I would be delighted to get him.

Would hopefully solve one of the problems in midfield that has been apparent for a couple of seasons now.  Further additions of an upgrade on KEA and a decent wide option would ease concerns a little.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 02:54:53 AM
He wears the 24 shirt for his current club. Guess you wears 24 for Villa right now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 11, 2014, 03:01:35 AM
I almost daren't say it but that would be a bit of class through the spine of the team.

Guzan, vlaar, sanchez and benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2014, 03:16:50 AM
We still have too many underwhelming players in the squad. I doubt if there are any takers though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on August 11, 2014, 03:42:31 AM
I didn't realize he was 28 but I would love to have Sanchez in the squad. Really hope we can make it happen.. two signings that actual involve a transfer fee without a CEO  ::)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 06:40:09 AM
I love that phrase "I can dream of mediocrity" Brilliant. It will be my thought for the week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 11, 2014, 07:44:45 AM
Sanchez and Moses this week ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2014, 09:16:28 AM
Don't know anything about Sanchez but he's a defensive midfielder and that's what we need so let's hope it comes off.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2014, 09:21:50 AM
He has impressive quads. Looks like he lifts.

Erm...

We've supposed to have agreed a 4 or 5 million Euro fee with the club and we're now working with the third party owners. You'd think that giving away a percentage of the image rights for the greater exposure he'd get in the Premier League would do the trick. I dunno.

We need a defensive midfielder, whether this Sanchez guy is any good, I have no Idea, but Cissohko, Vlaar, Okore, Hutton and a specialist brute in front of them would make us a lot more solid than last season.

Also, if he gets sent off, we can have the headline "Dirty Sanchez". Mega lulz.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 09:50:33 AM
I thought third party ownership of players is illegal. Didn't Brooking have to use all his connections at the FA to allow Wet Spam to get a points deduction over Tevez being overturned in favour of a fine for third party ownership?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Can't we just buy the bits of him that Elche own, and they can float about the pitch disconnected from the parts that are in third party ownership.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 09:56:50 AM
Good idea but what would he or rather the bits of him we own, do in a wall?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
I assume you buy the third party off. They will hold the registration on the off chance a player goes for a big fee. The buy out clause is 2 million Euros and the balance will be to the third party representatives.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Excuse my ignorance but is that "registration" the same piece of paper Warsaw did not have for their three minutes substitute that cost them the Celtic game? Or are there tiers of registration as it were.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2014, 10:11:10 AM
I thought the Legia Warsaw issue was playing a suspended player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
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The future of Carlos Sanchez moves away from Elche. Diego Merino, Colombian international's agent is in talks with Birmingham Aston Villa on transfer of midfielder, who left in the coffers of the entity ilicitana two million euros of its clause and the agency that represents a capital gain has been agreed with the English side of a parallel according to its federal contract clause. It remains to specify the payment terms of sale.
The team of villains, are known as followers, has not been the only English team has tempted Rock since the end of the World. Everton and Queens Park Rangers knocked on his door to go for his move, although it seems that the Villa will be your final destination. The player will see improved economic conditions and sports expectations. In fact, the Aston Villa is one of the oldest and most successful clubs in English football, with seven league titles and one European Cup in their windows.
Carlos Sanchez wants to seize the moment. At 28, going through the best phase of his career after completing a great season in the First Division with Elche and especially after being a permanent fixture with Colombia in the World Cup in Brazil, where his team failed to qualify for the quarter-finals for the first time in its history. The Elche train this afternoon, from 19:00 pm in the Martinez Valero. The player is still ilicitanas lands and, in principle, plans to attend the stadium. It could be one of the last days as the home side stepped.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 11, 2014, 10:37:13 AM
"The team of villains, are known as followers, has not been the only English team has tempted Rock since the end of the World."

Sounds like the plot of a John Carpenter film.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 11, 2014, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 11, 2014, 10:37:13 AM
"The team of villains, are known as followers, has not been the only English team has tempted Rock since the end of the World."

Sounds like the plot of a John Carpenter film.

I think by 'end of the world' they meant Ferguson retiring
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2014, 10:45:26 AM
Tonev seems to be happening, Sanchez is still not definite.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 10:51:22 AM
Somebody throw some money at Sanchez. He is just what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2014, 11:11:03 AM
Sounds like we have made room in the budget then for Sanchez with Tonev going/gone then. He wont have been on massive wages, but then neither is Sanchez.

There is obviously soom way to go with him, but it makes you wonder why that short of signing (a Vlaar type in essence) of estblished and exprienced quality wasn't favoured last season. With the margins so small, it would have made a big difference.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 11, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Sanchez almost seems to be too good to be true. I'm amazed that there aren't other clubs strongly interested. From what I've seen he'd be a superb addition, so I'm going to cross everything for the next few days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on August 11, 2014, 11:20:23 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2014, 10:11:10 AM
I thought the Legia Warsaw issue was playing a suspended player?

It was only because he wasn't registered for the previous round, which was the clerical error. He did actually not play in 3 games which is what the suspension was, it's just the first 2 didn't count.

Fingers crossed for Sanchez, only going by the World Cup but could be just what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 11, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 09:50:33 AM
I thought third party ownership of players is illegal. Didn't Brooking have to use all his connections at the FA to allow Wet Spam to get a points deduction over Tevez being overturned in favour of a fine for third party ownership?

I may be wrong but I thought it was a Premier League decision. Plus they paid Sheff Utd about £25m in compensation
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2014, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: Richard E on August 11, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Can't we just buy the bits of him that Elche own, and they can float about the pitch disconnected from the parts that are in third party ownership.
You mean like Emile Heskey?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2014, 11:55:40 AM
I like it when they mention this but leave out "but  not in recent time"!

Quote
The player will see improved economic conditions and sports expectations. In fact, the Aston Villa is one of the oldest and most successful clubs in English football, with seven league titles and one European Cup in their windows.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2014, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 11, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 09:50:33 AM
I thought third party ownership of players is illegal. Didn't Brooking have to use all his connections at the FA to allow Wet Spam to get a points deduction over Tevez being overturned in favour of a fine for third party ownership?

I may be wrong but I thought it was a Premier League decision. Plus they paid Sheff Utd about £25m in compensation
rob factually you are correct but I like Brian's version as it's more chewable!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 11, 2014, 11:55:40 AM
I like it when they mention this but leave out "but  not in recent time"!

Quote
The player will see improved economic conditions and sports expectations. In fact, the Aston Villa is one of the oldest and most successful clubs in English football, with seven league titles and one European Cup in their windows.

We don't leave them in the windows anymore, last time we did that it got swiped.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 12:14:17 PM
Finally, it looks like we might be signing a player with a notable haircut.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03002/sanchez_3002164b.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
Thanks for all the clarification about registration. I thought that the prohibition of any player's contract being held by a third party was an FA rule which was breached by the Tevez and Mascherano move to Wet Spam.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 11, 2014, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 12:14:17 PM
Finally, it looks like we might be signing a player with a notable haircut.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03002/sanchez_3002164b.jpg)

It's all I've ever wanted paulie
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on August 11, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
He got that Yorkie smile.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
And as for haircuts they should be compelled to have a Jack Grealish. God, he makes me feel young to look at him. One if the resident treasures if this forum described him as "a 1940s spiv". Pure genius.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
Jean II had a decent fro and jumper
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 12:48:35 PM
And as for haircuts they should be compelled to have a Jack Grealish. God, he makes me feel young to look at him. One if the resident treasures if this forum described him as "a 1940s spiv". Pure genius.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
Sorry Double post.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hillbilly on August 11, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 12:59:16 AM
Concrete Ron and the Rock in the same side. I like it.
Can we bring back Steve Stone?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2014, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2014, 10:45:26 AM
Tonev seems to be happening, Sanchez is still not definite.

Is it likely? As far as you know.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2014, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2014, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2014, 10:45:26 AM
Tonev seems to be happening, Sanchez is still not definite.

Is it likely? As far as you know.

All I know is that it's possible, which means that at least if we don't get him we're still looking for players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2014, 01:18:35 PM
Good stuff, thanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
Jean II had a decent fro and jumper

I'd forgotten him.

He also filled in the "player with a number in his name" berth left empty since Didier Six's brief spell here.

EDIT obviously, One Pablo Angel didn't count.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
Or any player with 'there's only one....' In their song
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?

Ian Fourmondroyd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?

Ian Fourmondroyd.

The gloves are off with that effort.

Ugo E-3-ogu.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2014, 01:34:48 PM
Didier Six. I win.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:36:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2014, 01:34:48 PM
Didier Six. I win.

Put the cap on, and sit in the corner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?

Ian Fourmondroyd.

The gloves are off with that effort.

Ugo E-3-ogu.

Fabian Twelfth
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:36:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2014, 01:34:48 PM
Didier Six. I win.

Put the cap on, and sit in the corner.

*slowly shakes head*

Have a think what you've just done there, Clamps, me old mucker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Scully on August 11, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
Charlie 8kin
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 11, 2014, 01:38:05 PM
Alan Mc(N)ineally

That doesn't work
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: Scully on August 11, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
Charlie 8kin

Oooof!

*ripple of applause*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 11, 2014, 01:39:25 PM
Can I ask that if we do sign Sanchez nobody suggests this abomination being played at Villa Park? Thanks.




Edited to fix yt link.

Thanks paulie.I thought YT was wanting to prevent people being exposed to the horror.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?

Ian Fourmondroyd.

The gloves are off with that effort.

Ugo E-3-ogu.

Fabian Twelfth

Three Hendrie
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 11, 2014, 01:39:56 PM
Ian "Chico" HamilTON ?

I'll get my coat***
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?

Ian Fourmondroyd.

The gloves are off with that effort.

Ugo E-3-ogu.

Fabian Twelfth

Three Hendrie

Three Tendrie.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 11, 2014, 01:42:40 PM
George BoaTENg. Steve StaunTON,
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
What about Ken McNaught?

Gareth Southg-8?

Ian Fourmondroyd.

The gloves are off with that effort.

Ugo E-3-ogu.

Fabian Twelfth

Three Hendrie

Three Tendrie.

Three TenThree?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 11, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
Nil Lamptey
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2014, 01:45:31 PM
Ashley WesTWOod.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2014, 01:45:52 PM
Fuck no to another punathon.

Cease this madness!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 11, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
Brad Driedal

Drie is Dutch for 3
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Luc Nilis
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on August 11, 2014, 01:54:44 PM
Andi Zweimann

Cztery Donovan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on August 11, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

Depends on whether you were wearing your Villa shirt at the time or am I being cynical?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 11, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Luc Nilis

Luc Nilis popped into my mind this morning after hearing Mark Lillis had taken temporary control of Huddersfield.

And that got me thinking. They sound similar, but could you imagine two more diametrically opposed footballers in our history? Luke, the smooth continental man with exceptional technique, and Mark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
It was probably an actor rehearsing for Henry Bassett IV. The scene where he finally goes mad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2014, 02:02:16 PM
Allan Elevens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 02:05:35 PM
Luc was the sort of player who comes to us once in a decade. Mark is the sort of player, with no disrespect to him, who we will be getting in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 11, 2014, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on August 11, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

Depends on whether you were wearing your Villa shirt at the time or am I being cynical?

Time to get that Trees fella to the site with his flight arrivals schedule. Better still, get him situated at Elmdon with his kodak electra.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 11, 2014, 02:15:58 PM
Gabby Agbonlafour
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2014, 02:16:00 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 11, 2014, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on August 11, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

Depends on whether you were wearing your Villa shirt at the time or am I being cynical?

Time to get that Trees fella to the site with his flight arrivals schedule. Better still, get him situated at Elmdon with his kodak electra.

5.15pm Brussels
5.15pm Aberdeen
5.25pm Gothenberg
5.30pm Frankfurt
5.40pm Dublin
Long bet 5.55pm Dehli
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 11, 2014, 02:20:59 PM
Chris Thrice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 11, 2014, 02:23:33 PM
Nigel 3-0 Coker
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 11, 2014, 02:26:01 PM
Oney Johnson

Has to be done in a sorta cockney accent with a slight speech impediment. Bob Crowe meets Roy Hodgson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 11, 2014, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 11, 2014, 02:26:01 PM
Oney Johnson

Has to be done in a sorta cockney accent with a slight speech impediment. Bob Crowe meets Roy Hodgson

Oney Oneson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 02:49:07 PM
Hundre Djemba and his twin brother Tuhundre Djemba.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2014, 02:59:28 PM
Seeing as I made a pigs ear of first effort, i'll have a go at Gary Tenrice.

Can I come out the corner now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 03:04:40 PM
Christian Tenteke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 11, 2014, 03:15:30 PM
Billion Walker
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 11, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
Nil Lampty
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2014, 03:20:04 PM
Andy Twosend
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2014, 03:22:14 PM
Dw8 Yorke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 11, 2014, 03:33:17 PM
Gary Penthrice
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clive W on August 11, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Leighton Phillips
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 11, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Clive W on August 11, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Leighton Phillips

Second post and we have a winner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clive W on August 11, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
Trevor Ford

Can I claim second prize as well or shall I just get me coat ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: Clive W on August 11, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Leighton Phillips

Or Eight...Ton Phillips.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 11, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Colin Gibsone.
Douze Bremner
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2014, 04:10:32 PM
Ze guy 'olding arp ze FA Kerp - Johnny Dix un.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 11, 2014, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 11, 2014, 03:20:04 PM
Andy Twosend

Andy Thousand
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clive W on August 11, 2014, 04:13:52 PM
Beni two Carb one
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 11, 2014, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: Clive W on August 11, 2014, 04:13:52 PM
Beni two Carb one

That's almost as bad as   East Fife Five   Forfar Four
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

If that is true, it is actually quite close to being proper ITK.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 11, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?

Or after all these years Mac was eventually right about Klose.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
yes but there are no air ambulance services coming in at that time
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 11, 2014, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?
More chance of MH370 landing .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 11, 2014, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?
More chance of MH370 landing .

With Messi, Ronaldo and our new owners on board.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2014, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 11, 2014, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?
More chance of MH370 landing .

With Messi, Ronaldo and our new owners on board.

He's here! Welcome, Player X.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2014, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

If that is true, it is actually quite close to being proper ITK.

Could the Lee taking care of everything be our football operations manager Lee Preece? Or maybe Hendrie impressed so much with his social skills on the US trip that he's been summoned to show Sanchez the various fleshpots of Broad Street.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 05:57:41 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?

Finally, I've just been given some true ITK info for the first time.

It isn't Schweinsteiger.

It is Muller.













Gerd Muller
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 11, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
More likely a pot of Muller yoghurt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2014, 06:20:41 PM
fruit corner?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 06:22:28 PM
I love Muller fruit corners. Can't get them here. What I love even more that I also can't get is those dessert corners like Flake, Buttons etc. I load up on those when I come home.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 11, 2014, 06:33:40 PM
I'm more of a crunch corner man.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
I'm not a big yoghurt fan, myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 11, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Beer is definitely better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hartman_1982 on August 11, 2014, 06:49:45 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 11, 2014, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

If that is true, it is actually quite close to being proper ITK.

Could the Lee taking care of everything be our football operations manager Lee Preece? Or maybe Hendrie impressed so much with his social skills on the US trip that he's been summoned to show Sanchez the various fleshpots of Broad Street.
The only thing that makes me think this is true is the "Lee". I know Lee Preece and I know he has been given this sort of role before. We sit and wait.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 06:57:08 PM
re Tonev:

https://twitter.com/DarrenSNSGroup/status/498848310862835713

As someone else said in reply, he looks absolutely ecstatic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10403512_905412436152982_6873287194078290250_n.jpg?oh=cabbff11d1cbb328ffb6e403db6844db&oe=54626107&__gda__=1417732287_bae0f8a4456173c10b7ffdb20e4d2c68)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 11, 2014, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 06:57:08 PM
re Tonev:

https://twitter.com/DarrenSNSGroup/status/498848310862835713

As someone else said in reply, he looks absolutely ecstatic.

And a sharp dress sense too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
Get it done Villa.

Can I have a crack at the puns thing please?

Ian onely, john fashantwo, Gary penthrice  (is this a flush of some sort)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10403512_905412436152982_6873287194078290250_n.jpg?oh=cabbff11d1cbb328ffb6e403db6844db&oe=54626107&__gda__=1417732287_bae0f8a4456173c10b7ffdb20e4d2c68)

Your battery is running low, Lee. Turn off location services and bluetooth

*nods helpfully*

or plug it in, obviously.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 11, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10403512_905412436152982_6873287194078290250_n.jpg?oh=cabbff11d1cbb328ffb6e403db6844db&oe=54626107&__gda__=1417732287_bae0f8a4456173c10b7ffdb20e4d2c68)

Your battery is running low, Lee. Turn off location services and bluetooth

*nods helpfully*

or plug it in, obviously.

Are you in France on your holibobs Leeg?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
What odds that Legion has just electrocuted himself?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2014, 07:22:26 PM
That Tonev picture deserves a caption thread!

Tonev thinks "did he really have put his finger in my bottom?"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 07:32:08 PM
I wonder how many of us look any more cheerful when someone takes a random pic as we're walking. I'm more concerned by his dress sense. Scruffy get!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 07:32:08 PM
I wonder how many of us look any more cheerful when someone takes a random pic as we're walking. I'm more concerned by his dress sense. Scruffy get!

Says you!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on August 11, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10403512_905412436152982_6873287194078290250_n.jpg?oh=cabbff11d1cbb328ffb6e403db6844db&oe=54626107&__gda__=1417732287_bae0f8a4456173c10b7ffdb20e4d2c68)

Your battery is running low, Lee. Turn off location services and bluetooth

*nods helpfully*

or plug it in, obviously.

Are you in France on your holibobs Leeg?

Non, mon ami. C'est le Facebook.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 11, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
What odds that Legion has just electrocuted himself?

Only the once...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 07:32:08 PM
I wonder how many of us look any more cheerful when someone takes a random pic as we're walking. I'm more concerned by his dress sense. Scruffy get!

Says you!

I am sartorial elegance personified.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 11, 2014, 07:44:15 PM
Quote from: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on August 11, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: Legion on August 11, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10403512_905412436152982_6873287194078290250_n.jpg?oh=cabbff11d1cbb328ffb6e403db6844db&oe=54626107&__gda__=1417732287_bae0f8a4456173c10b7ffdb20e4d2c68)

Your battery is running low, Lee. Turn off location services and bluetooth

*nods helpfully*

or plug it in, obviously.

Are you in France on your holibobs Leeg?

Non, mon ami. C'est le Facebook.

Ah, I saw the carrier Bouygues and thought you might be En Francais as they say in Paris.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
All I care about now is that this looks pretty genuine. Now, we also got word that Ki was on the "verge" of signing from The Telegraph no less that broke that gem so I won't hold my breath on this one. ATPSTS is what I go by now


*Again The Post Stretching The Shirt*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on August 11, 2014, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on August 11, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on August 11, 2014, 01:47:15 PM
I overheard a telephone conversation earlier this morning outside of all places, The Royal Shakespeare Theatre in Stratford. It first got my attention when he mentioned ''Paul Lambert will be there to meet him'' he then said ''his flight gets in at five thirty''. Intrigued, I tried to get more of the conversation, but he was one of these persons who walks whilst on the phone. The other bits that I picked up on was somebody called Lee was taking care of everything and his accommodation was booked. He also said ''why should they get all the glory when we have put all the work in'' and one that made me smile was ''we all know what these fucking footballers are like''.

Make of it what you will.

Depends on whether you were wearing your Villa shirt at the time or am I being cynical?

Sorry Dicedlam, I suddenly realised my comment could be read as if I was being critical of you and it wasn't meant that way, honest!  Critical of the guy on the phone, if anybody.  I hope it turns out to be something truly ITK.  Good times...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 11, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
Far be it from me to talk sartorial elegance. Even the way one looks. But PWS looks like a sad face someone has drawn on a scrotum!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2014, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?
There is more chance of his schwein flying in!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on August 11, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
Far be it from me to talk sartorial elegance. Even the way one looks. But PWS looks like a sad face someone has drawn on a scrotum!

You're only jealous of how devilishly handsome I am.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 11, 2014, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 11, 2014, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 11, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
There are 3 flights from Germany arriving around 5.30. 

It's Schwinsteiger isn't it?
There is more chance of his schwein flying in!

Schweine können fliegen
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2014, 10:55:59 PM
Tonev gone then. Celtic. He'll be a key player up there. Shows you just how very poor Scottish footie is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2014, 11:32:36 PM
First match Tonev plays for Celtic, I am having a few quid on him to score
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 11, 2014, 11:35:43 PM
...from 40 yards, ripping the net, and the ball, still rising, will render someone in Row Z with concussion!

Odds on that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 11, 2014, 11:37:02 PM
Joel Campbell on loan would be a decent signing for us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2014, 12:00:43 AM
It would be a very decent one. Those 2 loan spots used creatively could give us a real boost. In fact, if we got Sanchez in and a couple of loan players of quality, then for less than 10m I would say we would be more strengthened than in the previous 3-4 summers put together.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2014, 12:09:14 AM
Campbell will get games at Arsenal surely?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 12:10:22 AM
According to The Scum a few hours ago, no idea what the full story is as i'm not signing up for that shit rag.

Quote
ASTON VILLA boss Paul Lambert has pulled out of the chase for Elche’s £4million-rated Colombian World Cup star Carlos Sanchez.
Speculation grew that the holding midfielder, 28, was set for a medical at Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2014, 12:12:10 AM
The Sun tend to be quite good at calling our transfer dealings, we'll see.

If we have withdrawn I'd guess at the third party ownership is too complicated to sort out especially with the extra scrutiny it got after Tevez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 12:16:12 AM
"Withdrawn" does indicate that we don't want to go ahead rather than we wouldn't pay the going rate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2014, 12:23:20 AM
Not good though if true in that our 2 top midfield targets have 1. become very public, and 2. not signed. I hope it is bollocks, but if correct leaves a gaping hole in a position we have essentially been completely bare for 2 and a half seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2014, 12:33:43 AM
Always the ones that seem so perfect that go tits up.

Wonder if we've been gazumped. Not saying our fault, but I guess plenty more attractive clubs to be at right now
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2014, 12:36:44 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 12:10:22 AM
According to The Scum a few hours ago, no idea what the full story is as i'm not signing up for that shit rag.

Quote
ASTON VILLA boss Paul Lambert has pulled out of the chase for Elche’s £4million-rated Colombian World Cup star Carlos Sanchez.
Speculation grew that the holding midfielder, 28, was set for a medical at Villa.

This position is the most crucial and I really do hope that we do manage to fill it, could make a huge difference to our season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 01:21:31 AM
You know when you Youtube footballers and they highlight all their best bits but turn out to be really crap. Googled him and all his best bits were...well...really crap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2014, 01:45:44 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 01:21:31 AM
You know when you Youtube footballers and they highlight all their best bits but turn out to be really crap. Googled him and all his best bits were...well...really crap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2014, 01:46:44 AM
Oops wrong button
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2014, 06:53:36 AM
I found an old article last night from when Bolton were trying to sign him when still in the premier league. They pulled out because they said his wage demands were outrageous. I wonder if that's the issue here

I'd like to believe the evening mail were closer but they've been well behind the curve on transfers this summer - possibly due to criticism of lambert?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 12, 2014, 07:33:52 AM
pulled out tends to suggest that something became a problem with the player and/or his representatives, his club, or that our possible first choice has had a re-think and has reopened talks to join. Maybe Ki maybe someone else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 08:16:04 AM
Maybe Westwood tampered with the results of his medical?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 12, 2014, 08:18:19 AM
I really hope that is all rubbish!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 08:24:04 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5820836/Paul-Lambert-does-not-want-Carlos-Sanchez.html

It's very limited on detail, but they'd have to be stupid to run a report contradicting all of the other media outlets unless they knew something that the rest didn't. That said, this is the Sun we're talking about, so I'm not going to give up hope just yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 12, 2014, 08:24:37 AM
Would have liked us to sign him, if only to give myself the chance to wear my Colombian flag as a cape to VP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 08:30:29 AM
Extremely disappointed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2014, 08:36:49 AM
Oh good more positive news.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
Well that's Pissed me off
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 08:58:35 AM
Bollux.
Was looking forward to having a Sanchez on the team sheet...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kiddylion on August 12, 2014, 09:02:32 AM
Probably found someone at Gillingham for 500k instead
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 12, 2014, 09:10:17 AM
It's not been reported elsewhere yet.  I'm hoping the Sun are way off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
Before we start pointing fingers at the club, it might be worth waiting to see if it's true and if it is then there may be a good reason for it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 12, 2014, 09:13:26 AM
If nothing else, let's hope that Lambert is aware just how much we need a ball winner/bastard in that midfield an that his plan b is landing at 5.30 today.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 09:22:13 AM
The Spanish press think the deal is close;

 Link to Spanish article. (http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2014/08/12/primera/1407828001_296719.html)

Edit: To clarify on The Sun, they're wrong to suggest he was set to have a medical at Villa; it would have to be conducted in Spain, as he wouldn't get a visa to come to enter the UK until he is given a work permit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 09:28:05 AM
I really hope The Sun are wrong on this. Aside from the obvious reason, I've been looking for a 1,235,467th reason never to buy that utter wank rag.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2014, 09:29:59 AM
"Only two will go into the coffers of the franjiverde entity."

All fear the franjiverde entity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 09:31:58 AM
(http://i1.wp.com/www.myoldmansaid.com/wp-content/uploads/TheSunGrahamHill.jpg?resize=375%2C681)

This was the Sun's last effort of reporting on Villa. Aside from the fact that they got the opponents wrong, mistook Keane for Lambert and failed to identify the sex of the mascot it was a pretty decent attempt at journalism.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 12, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 09:11:00 AM
Before we start pointing fingers at the club, it might be worth waiting to see if it's true and if it is then there may be a good reason for it.

Correct.

It may not be true and if it is true then it could be for one or more of a number of justifiable reasons.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Panic over guys, IncogAVFC is reporting that the deal is not off, there's just a 'problem' with the 3rd party ownership.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 12, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Panic over guys, IncogAVFC is reporting that the deal is not off, there's just a 'problem' with the 3rd party ownership.

Phew! Thank god that trusted source has confirmed it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
The case Carlos Sanchez can be very close to closing. The Colombian player is, each time a little closer to joining Aston Villa. The Rock has not trained with the team yesterday, and its representative, Diego Merino, was yesterday in Birmingham to try to destroy the small fringes that have not made Carlos Sįnchez is there already.
These fringes correspond Monserrate Hernandez as reported in the daily As on today, with economic issues, and the mode of payment for the player. The signing Aston Villa cost the four million euros, of which Elche see two. The rest of what the English club will pay for Array Europe BV, a company in Amsterdam that have their economic rights.
If Elche receives two million, and finally seems to be not too much money will be won by the Colombian. The daily As, the Elche paid 600,000 euros Record by him 624,750 euros for their society, and 150,000 more in commissions. If we add this amount and subtract it to the two million Elche win for him, the benefit will have been of some 600,000 euros, approximately, a figure that seems very low for a player who has excelled in the World, and by several International teams have fought.
However, this amount can make the LFP loosen as the Elche, today, without the closed template, is very close to putting the budget cap Football League. These 600,000 euros, plus the possible departure of players like Tońo, Diego Rivas or Sapunaru can give money to sign one more player.
The problem with the transfer of Colombian midfielder comes with Petxina Events, which holds 25% of the economic rights, after the Elche, at a time of economic hardship, we sold half of the picture that was on the player, staying with a fourth. Events Petxina should stay with one million euros, while the other would be for the Elche. However, to avail himself of Elche which made the Seville in 2007 with Seydou Keyta to avoid having to pay one million euros of the two you will receive. To do this, he will be assisted by Juan Crespo God, a specialist in this type of operations.
The result would be that the player will pay its clause, that is not a sale of the player, but a breach of contract, and then, of course, go to another team.
- See more at: http://franjiverdes.com/carlos-sanchez-no-entrena-con-el-elche-y-su-futuro-parece-estar-en-la-premier/#sthash.QWbprGR5.dpuf
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 09:22:13 AM
The Spanish press think the deal is close;

 Link to Spanish article. (http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2014/08/12/primera/1407828001_296719.html)

Edit: To clarify on The Sun, they're wrong to suggest he was set to have a medical at Villa; it would have to be conducted in Spain, as he wouldn't get a visa to come to enter the UK until he is given a work permit.

Really? Surely he's allowed to enter on a short term visa as any other Colombian would? How would they ever do a transfer deadline day deal for any non EU player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Panic over guys, IncogAVFC is reporting that the deal is not off, there's just a 'problem' with the 3rd party ownership.
After another sleepless night I can now rest easy in the knowledge that all will go smoothly and that when I awake it will be to lots of shirt-stretching pics and an interview with Woodward on AVTV! ;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
The case Carlos Sanchez can be very close to closing. The Colombian player is, each time a little closer to joining Aston Villa. The Rock has not trained with the team yesterday, and its representative, Diego Merino, was yesterday in Birmingham to try to destroy the small fringes that have not made Carlos Sįnchez is there already.
These fringes correspond Monserrate Hernandez as reported in the daily As on today, with economic issues, and the mode of payment for the player. The signing Aston Villa cost the four million euros, of which Elche see two. The rest of what the English club will pay for Array Europe BV, a company in Amsterdam that have their economic rights.
If Elche receives two million, and finally seems to be not too much money will be won by the Colombian. The daily As, the Elche paid 600,000 euros Record by him 624,750 euros for their society, and 150,000 more in commissions. If we add this amount and subtract it to the two million Elche win for him, the benefit will have been of some 600,000 euros, approximately, a figure that seems very low for a player who has excelled in the World, and by several International teams have fought.
However, this amount can make the LFP loosen as the Elche, today, without the closed template, is very close to putting the budget cap Football League. These 600,000 euros, plus the possible departure of players like Tońo, Diego Rivas or Sapunaru can give money to sign one more player.
The problem with the transfer of Colombian midfielder comes with Petxina Events, which holds 25% of the economic rights, after the Elche, at a time of economic hardship, we sold half of the picture that was on the player, staying with a fourth. Events Petxina should stay with one million euros, while the other would be for the Elche. However, to avail himself of Elche which made the Seville in 2007 with Seydou Keyta to avoid having to pay one million euros of the two you will receive. To do this, he will be assisted by Juan Crespo God, a specialist in this type of operations.
The result would be that the player will pay its clause, that is not a sale of the player, but a breach of contract, and then, of course, go to another team.
- See more at: http://franjiverdes.com/carlos-sanchez-no-entrena-con-el-elche-y-su-futuro-parece-estar-en-la-premier/#sthash.QWbprGR5.dpuf
Glad that's cleared up then!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
Juan Crespo God? I have complete faith in him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Didn't Angel's transfer fee end up going all over the place to different people as well?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
Juan Crespo God? I have complete faith in him.
Knew all that praying would work!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2014, 10:34:17 AM
I don't like these 3rd party ownerships
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 12, 2014, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Didn't Angel's transfer fee end up going all over the place to different people as well?
I seem to remember rumours that when he signed, a manufacturer of Colombian Marching Powder got some of the money.  But it was only rumours never heard anything solid. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: newtonsballs on August 12, 2014, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2014, 10:34:17 AM
I don't like these 3rd party ownerships

Juan Crespo God? In the name o the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost - what could possibly go wrong!?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2014, 10:34:17 AM
I don't like these 3rd party ownerships

Dodgy as hell but seem very common with South American players.  I think agents see it as a way to make big money easily and clubs see it as a way of cashing in on an asset without selling him.  They should ban it.  Not really in anyone's sporting interests.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on August 12, 2014, 10:57:07 AM
Well, whether or not this deal happens, at least the attempts to sign him and Ki show that Lambert is trying to address the midfield problems.   I was worried it was becoming a blind spot for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 12, 2014, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

Probably, but what counts as a crap passer in La Liga is a universe away from what counts as a crap passer in "The Best League In The World TM"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on August 12, 2014, 11:06:33 AM
He might not be much of a passer but I still think our midfield will have a better balance to it if we replace a tidy-but-weak player with a rock-hard-clogger.

It'd be nice to have the bastard lovechild of Pirlo and Veira in front of our back 4, but given the immediate needs of the squad and the financial/ownership situation I'd settle for someone who just does the 'runs around kicking people' bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

Covers the defence and when he wins it, gives it to Westwood to find the more advanced players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 11:08:51 AM
Quote from: dekko on August 12, 2014, 11:06:33 AM
He might not be much of a passer but I still think our midfield will have a better balance to it if we replace a tidy-but-weak player with a rock-hard-clogger.

It'd be nice to have the bastard lovechild of Pirlo and Veira in front of our back 4, but given the immediate needs of the squad and the financial/ownership situation I'd settle for someone who just does the 'runs around kicking people' bit.

We share tastes in The Beautiful Game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 11:10:13 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
Juan Crespo God? I have complete faith in him.
Knew all that praying would work!

Google translate got it wrong, but his real name is even better. His first name is John of God, his last name is Crespo. John of God Crespo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on August 12, 2014, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

Probably, but what counts as a crap passer in La Liga is a universe away from what counts as a crap passer in "The Best League In The World TM"

And especially in the team which completed fewer passes than everyone else last season (errr, probably).

He'll look like Xavi next to the rest of our team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

To be honest I would rather us sign someone like Ki to anchor our midfield a la Petrov rather than a NRC type.  No idea what this Sanchez is like, 44 caps for Colombia suggests pretty good but 28 and playing for Elche doesn't suggest amazing.  But like Dekko says at least the club are clearly trying to strengthen the midfield after having got in a CB and LB.  These are the areas most of us would have wanted improving a few months ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Richard E on August 12, 2014, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

Probably, but what counts as a crap passer in La Liga is a universe away from what counts as a crap passer in "The Best League In The World TM"

And especially in the team which completed fewer passes than everyone else last season (errr, probably).

He'll look like Xavi next to the rest of our team.

Probably. And it could also be their equivalent of "Barry/Milner/Young can go, the greedy bastard, they were crap anyway" syndrome.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
If he comes in to replace KEA and breaks things up and can play the simple balls for westwood and delph then he'll be a huge upgrade.  That's the passing KEA does and the defensive job he tries to do but he's just not up to speed and ends up looking a like a passenger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
So a new Reo Coker? As i liked NRC that would do me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
So a new Reo Coker? As i liked NRC that would do me.

how's his arm waving and pointing skills?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 12, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
So a new Reo Coker? As i liked NRC that would do me.

I wonder if he'll be a panicky if he gets through on goal as NRC? Have never known a player to look so worried about the prospect of scoring.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on August 12, 2014, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Didn't Angel's transfer fee end up going all over the place to different people as well?

I seem to remember at the time Doug saying the fee was paid via FIFA to avoid the controversies...might have dreamt that though :-)

*think FIFA was not regarded as being as corrupt back then
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

To be honest I would rather us sign someone like Ki to anchor our midfield a la Petrov rather than a NRC type.  No idea what this Sanchez is like, 44 caps for Colombia suggests pretty good but 28 and playing for Elche doesn't suggest amazing. 

Ki is an attacking midfielder. He could never be a defensive midfielder. Far too lightweight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2014, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 09:22:13 AM
The Spanish press think the deal is close;

 Link to Spanish article. (http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2014/08/12/primera/1407828001_296719.html)

Edit: To clarify on The Sun, they're wrong to suggest he was set to have a medical at Villa; it would have to be conducted in Spain, as he wouldn't get a visa to come to enter the UK until he is given a work permit.

He will get a visa to travel to UK. A visa can be arranged for lots of reasons such as job interviews, holidays, private medical treatment, and business reasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

To be honest I would rather us sign someone like Ki to anchor our midfield a la Petrov rather than a NRC type.  No idea what this Sanchez is like, 44 caps for Colombia suggests pretty good but 28 and playing for Elche doesn't suggest amazing. 

Ki is an attacking midfielder. He could never be a defensive midfielder. Far too lightweight.

He was the best player on the park at VP last season playing in a deep midfield role.  I really don't believe you need a powerhouse sitting in front of the back 4 to have a solid midfield, especially if you've got 3 players in there.  Petrov won and kept the ball for us through anticipation and good positioning not through tackles and strength.  He was more likely to get fouled than foul.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 12, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Reading the comment below that AS article, that fan doesn't seem sorry to see him go. Says he's great at breaking up play, but in terms of passing and [salir jugando - I take to mean technical ability] he's "worse than bad".

So I guess he'd sit deep for us and just act as an enforcer?

To be honest I would rather us sign someone like Ki to anchor our midfield a la Petrov rather than a NRC type.  No idea what this Sanchez is like, 44 caps for Colombia suggests pretty good but 28 and playing for Elche doesn't suggest amazing. 

Ki is an attacking midfielder. He could never be a defensive midfielder. Far too lightweight.

He was the best player on the park at VP last season playing in a deep midfield role.  I really don't believe you need a powerhouse sitting in front of the back 4 to have a solid midfield, especially if you've got 3 players in there.  Petrov won and kept the ball for us through anticipation and good positioning not through tackles and strength.  He was more likely to get fouled than foul.

I agree Ki is a cultured player but he plays very deep often dropping back to CB to get the ball.  He was excellent at VP.  In the later stages of last season I saw the odd game where Sunderland were throwing the proverbial sink at it and he ended up in attacking positions but I would not say that it is his natural position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2014, 12:28:54 PM
I would like both. A new central midfield would totally transform us, and a combination of Sanchez and Ki would be ideal really with the money we have. We need to do something a bit different in there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ashkar on August 12, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Sanchez, Ki and Moses on loan. Our midfield is dire and needs a overhaul. We need all three. Send Bennett, Herd and Clark on loan to free up some wages for the three. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
From what I've seen he actually doesn't look very good. Would of preferred Ki but if that's what we end up with then I'll still support him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 12:37:13 PM
http://franjiverdes.com/carlos-sanchez-doesnt-train-with-elche-and-is-very-close-from-aston-villa/

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Carlos Sanchez doesn’t train with Elche and is very close from Aston Villa

Carlos Sanchez is closer to English football. The Colombian footballer can join Aston Villa in the next few days. The Rock has not trained with Elche since yesterday. This fact confirms that he can leave Elche CF soon. Moreover, his representative, Diego Merino, travelled yesterday to Birmingham as an attempt to close the signing.

According to Monserrate Hernįndez, a journalist of the As sports newspaper of Spain, the problems are about economical issues. Aston Villa will pay 4 million euros for the midfielder, and two of them will be for Elche CF. The remaining money is for Array Europe BV, a society in Amsterdam which has his economical rights.

If Aston Villa pays two million euros for Carlos Sanchez, Elche will not earn too much money. The Spanish club paid 600,000 euros for him, 624,750 for his society and 150,000 more in commissions. The total benefit would be 600,000 euros, a very small quantity for a great player. Nevertheless, this amount of money can help Elche, who is trying to sign another footballer. Cańas, from Swansea, is the most likely signing.

The problems come with Eventos Petxina, the company that has 25% of his economical rights. With the sale of Carlos Sanchez, Elche would have to pay one million euros to them but, if Carlos Sanchez pays its cancellation clause, this won’t happen. This is what Elche is trying with The Rock and Aston Villa. In 2007, it happened the same with Seydou Keyta, in his sale from Sevilla to FC Barcelona.

PD: Sorry for my English. I’m Spanish, but I have tried to write this article in order to explain this to all the fans of Aston Villa. I promise I write so much better in Spanish
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 12:38:36 PM
If only we had a Colombian Vila fan who could tell us what was going on...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2014, 12:40:51 PM
according to the Daily Wail he's 'jetting' in today and we are looking to wrap up the deal by tonight or Wednesday am. so there, Sun!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
The Da**y M**L are usually more much reliable than the S*n. Sports-wise that is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
The Da**y M**L are usually more much reliable than the S*n. Sports-wise that is.

Racists are generally more reliable than liars.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 12, 2014, 12:55:45 PM
Well let's hope they're f*****g right then
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
I find that, usually, the paper which is saying what i want them to say is far more reliable than the paper which is saying something I don't want to read.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2014, 12:58:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
If he comes in to replace KEA and breaks things up and can play the simple balls for westwood and delph then he'll be a huge upgrade.  That's the passing KEA does and the defensive job he tries to do but he's just not up to speed and ends up looking a like a passenger.

If he does come in, he'll probably play instead of Westwood, as he currently plays in the defensive midfielder role.  I don't think Westwood has the athleticism to play in a more advanced role.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
I find that, usually, the paper which is saying what i want them to say is far more reliable than the paper which is saying something I don't want to read.

Ha. I think that's exactly what I was trying to do there. Kid myself.

Although a lot of Spanish twitter accounts are suggesting it's pretty much done.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 12, 2014, 12:58:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
If he comes in to replace KEA and breaks things up and can play the simple balls for westwood and delph then he'll be a huge upgrade.  That's the passing KEA does and the defensive job he tries to do but he's just not up to speed and ends up looking a like a passenger.

If he does come in, he'll probably play instead of Westwood, as he currently plays in the defensive midfielder role.  I don't think Westwood has the athleticism to play in a more advanced role.   

I can't see it, I think we'll play a fairly flat 3 with delph left, westwood central and sanchez right, just like we did with sylla in our good spell at the end of 12-13.

Our best performances over the last couple of years came from breaking up play higher up the pitch and that seems to be the 'style' Lambert wants. I suspect we'll still Westwood as the one setting the tempo but someone like Sanchez gives so much more energy in there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
From what I've seen he actually doesn't look very good. Would of preferred Ki but if that's what we end up with then I'll still support him.

but other than YouTube what have you or any of us really seen in depth? And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM than a forward where you just show a number of goals. Even Harewood or Heskey can be made to look ace on YouTube. How do you make positional discipline cool in a 90 second clip from a camera phone? Sanchez has a solid reputation in the game, played well at the WC for Columbia and plays in La Liga. Is he the best thing ever? Probably not. Is he good enough for the PL and will he improve us? I think so but we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM

Au contraire.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
From what I've seen he actually doesn't look very good. Would of preferred Ki but if that's what we end up with then I'll still support him.

but other than YouTube what have you or any of us really seen in depth? And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM than a forward where you just show a number of goals. Even Harewood or Heskey can be made to look ace on YouTube. How do you make positional discipline cool in a 90 second clip from a camera phone? Sanchez has a solid reputation in the game, played well at the WC for Columbia and plays in La Liga. Is he the best thing ever? Probably not. Is he good enough for the PL and will he improve us? I think so but we'll have to wait and see.
The clips I've seen are poor, a bit like the piss take Cissokho vid. Just saying I would of preferred Ki as he's been around British football and won't need to adjust, plus looks better on the ball. That is all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 01:18:24 PM
€4.4m apparently. Blimey, we're splashing it around now.

---------------Guzan----------------

Hutton---Okore----Vlaar---Cissokho

--------------Sanchez--------------

----Westwood---------Delph-------

N'Zogbia-----------------Richardson

-------------Benteke----------------

Subs from

Given
Senderos
Clark
Baker
Bennett
Lowton
Gardner
Cole
Grealish
Weimann
Gabby
Kozak

That looks a lot better than last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM

Au contraire.


which DM are you referring to in that clip?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
From what I've seen he actually doesn't look very good. Would of preferred Ki but if that's what we end up with then I'll still support him.

but other than YouTube what have you or any of us really seen in depth? And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM than a forward where you just show a number of goals. Even Harewood or Heskey can be made to look ace on YouTube. How do you make positional discipline cool in a 90 second clip from a camera phone? Sanchez has a solid reputation in the game, played well at the WC for Columbia and plays in La Liga. Is he the best thing ever? Probably not. Is he good enough for the PL and will he improve us? I think so but we'll have to wait and see.
The clips I've seen are poor, a bit like the piss take Cissokho vid. Just saying I would of preferred Ki as he's been around British football and won't need to adjust, plus looks better on the ball. That is all.

they are clips though and we are still depending on who has submitted those clips. Not disagreeing about Ki because he's played in the PL and has a more solid body of work to judge him on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM

Au contraire.


which DM are you referring to in that clip?

The one who played in that position for Ireland for a long time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM

Au contraire.


which DM are you referring to in that clip?

The one who played in that position for Ireland for a long time.

who's that then? They didn't line up with an established DM that day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
We don't need youtube clips though right? Unless you missed the world cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 12, 2014, 01:34:42 PM
This tranfer needs to go through soon as I can get back to work!

my productivity levels in the office have hit a low, not seen since 2012 August transfer deadline day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
We don't need youtube clips though right? Unless you missed the world cup.

he played well at the WC that's for sure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
We don't need youtube clips though right? Unless you missed the world cup.

I missed it as they kept kicking off at 6 to 9am and I couldn't be arsed with getting up early.

YouTube clip me the lad now!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 01:45:50 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 01:42:22 PM

YouTube clip me the lad now!

Nothing shows me the world is moving too fast these days than the fact that this sentence is now considered correct grammar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 01:47:55 PM
I am at the cutting edge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
I want Ki as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 01:54:12 PM
Ki and Sanchez would be a huge upgrade on Westwood and El Ahmadi.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 12, 2014, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 01:18:24 PM
€4.4m apparently. Blimey, we're splashing it around now.

---------------Guzan----------------

Hutton---Okore----Vlaar---Cissokho

--------------Sanchez--------------

----Westwood---------Delph-------

N'Zogbia-----------------Richardson

-------------Benteke----------------


That looks a lot better than last season.

This is the first potential line up I have seen that makes me think mid table could be a possibility.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: martyn ellis on August 12, 2014, 02:11:55 PM
I think a word of thanks is in order for Aitor Garcia who went to the trouble of translating his own blog from the Elche fans web page for the benefit of all of us Villa fans. Gracias, Aitor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: achilles on August 12, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
From what I've seen he actually doesn't look very good. Would of preferred Ki but if that's what we end up with then I'll still support him.

but other than YouTube what have you or any of us really seen in depth? And quite frankly it's harder to put together a sexy YouTube compilation of a DM than a forward where you just show a number of goals. Even Harewood or Heskey can be made to look ace on YouTube. How do you make positional discipline cool in a 90 second clip from a camera phone? Sanchez has a solid reputation in the game, played well at the WC for Columbia and plays in La Liga. Is he the best thing ever? Probably not. Is he good enough for the PL and will he improve us? I think so but we'll have to wait and see.

Totally agree with this, if it happens?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?
Twitter, where else ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?
Twitter, where else ?

More a case of who on twitter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2014, 03:04:54 PM
There were those Abou Diaby rumours from earlier in the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?
Twitter, where else ?

More a case of who on twitter.
people were flapping - suggesting we was selling Vlaar or Benteke. Surely they'd come to us if they were trying to buy one of our players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?
Twitter, where else ?

More a case of who on twitter.
people were flapping - suggesting we was selling Vlaar or Benteke. Surely they'd come to us if they were trying to buy one of our players.

nah, it's Villa don't you know where we don't get anything right. I imagine we are actively out there trying to sell Vlaar, Benteke and the Holte End to help lower our value even more making it attractive to buyers. Randy you asset stripping SOB.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?


Where is that from?

Not sure, but I'd love it (keegan-esque) if we got Joel Campbell from them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?

Yeah various vaguely credible villa supporting twitter folk as opposed to any specific ITK sources. Does seem to be a bit of chatter about it though, not that that means much.

Guess a loanee from there seems quite plausible at this stage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on August 12, 2014, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?
Twitter, where else ?

More a case of who on twitter.
people were flapping - suggesting we was selling Vlaar or Benteke. Surely they'd come to us if they were trying to buy one of our players.


No. Villa are everybodies bitches don't you know?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 12, 2014, 03:24:37 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?

Yeah various vaguely credible villa supporting twitter folk as opposed to any specific ITK sources. Does seem to be a bit of chatter about it though, not that that means much.

Guess a loanee from there seems quite plausible at this stage.

Gnabry? Who else have they got who might be available on loan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Sanago?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
Ron to replace Thom?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2014, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 12, 2014, 03:24:37 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
What's with this villa representatives at Arsenal stuff then?

Where is that from?

Yeah various vaguely credible villa supporting twitter folk as opposed to any specific ITK sources. Does seem to be a bit of chatter about it though, not that that means much.

Guess a loanee from there seems quite plausible at this stage.

Gnabry? Who else have they got who might be available on loan?

Joel Campbell?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2014, 03:30:50 PM
I immediately thought about Gnabry who would seems to make sense on the basis of him having no hope of getting into that midfield now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 12, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
Ron to replace Thom?

If we were selling a player to them, I doubt we'd be down there, they'd be up here.

I know the financial situation is much tightened, but we wouldn't be that keen*









* would we? i hope not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
this is Villa 2014 we're talking about. We've probably gift wrapped him too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Sanago?


Can't see them letting him go. He's the only real alternative that thye've got for Giroud in the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2014, 03:41:10 PM
If there are Villa reps at Arsenal were probably trying to get them to sign Gabby ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2014, 03:47:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 12, 2014, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Sanago?


Can't see them letting him go. He's the only real alternative that thye've got for Giroud in the squad.

Yeah. They're still light on strikers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Apparently Sanchez is in the Malmasion in town [according to a randomer on the interweb].

We musn't be able to rent rooms in Sutton after we jibbed on the room service bill for Defoe.

Edit: Sky Tweeting this:

Pete O'Rourke ‏@SkySportsPeteO 4m
Aston Villa set to sign Elche's Colombian midfielder Carlos Sanchez with the player flying to England to undergo his medical. #AVFC


Strike another IJFGTBF for Ads.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Strike another IJFGTBF for Ads.
What about the bit where you said he wouldn't be allowed into the country to have his medical?

Worst ex-manager ever.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Strike another IJFGTBF for Ads.
What about the bit where you said he wouldn't be allowed into the country to have his medical?

Worst ex-manager ever.

Look, I have worked tirelessly to bring you this information, while trying brokering a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

I delivered with Cissokho and now a midfielder. My IJFGTBF credentials cannot be doubted. *fist pumps air like I am celebrating a 0-0 against Stoke*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
Am I the only one wondering what IJFGTBF is but doesn't want to ask in case it's obvious?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 12, 2014, 04:03:18 PM
  IJFGTBF = I Just Fucking Got The Big Fella ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 12, 2014, 04:06:26 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.

Can we just not have Clark or Baker again. Like Ever!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:10:27 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 12, 2014, 04:06:26 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.

Can we just not have Clark or Baker again. Like Ever!

Oooooh! Oh! Oh! Oh!
You called it off again last night!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 12, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Apparently Sanchez is in the Malmasion in town [according to a randomer on the interweb].

We musn't be able to rent rooms in Sutton after we jibbed on the room service bill for Defoe.

Edit: Sky Tweeting this:

Pete O'Rourke ‏@SkySportsPeteO 4m
Aston Villa set to sign Elche's Colombian midfielder Carlos Sanchez with the player flying to England to undergo his medical. #AVFC


Strike another IJFGTBF for Ads.


I can confirm he was/is at Malmaison.
A close friend is head of security for the mailbox and he's just confirmed the above to me
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 04:12:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Strike another IJFGTBF for Ads.
What about the bit where you said he wouldn't be allowed into the country to have his medical?

Worst ex-manager ever.

he's shit isn't he? I had him ranked just above TSM, but not anymore. Luckily for him he's still below O'Pug Face but even that's getting close
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 04:14:24 PM
Brum Mail reporting same as Sun now, snag hit due to 3rd party ownership complications.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 03:47:24 PM
Strike another IJFGTBF for Ads.
What about the bit where you said he wouldn't be allowed into the country to have his medical?

Worst ex-manager ever.

Look, I have worked tirelessly to bring you this information, while trying brokering a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.


We've been waiting patiently all afternoon for you to enter the building.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 12, 2014, 04:16:33 PM
What I really want to know is whether this Sanchez guy is any good as a left back. We haven't got nearly enough of those. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.

Being a greedyguts, perhaps, but if we sign Sanchez I'd still like to see us sign at least one other CM and maybe one on loan.  Holtby, or similar.  I'd be quite happy if Westwood and KEA didn't even make the bench. 

Though in the case of Westwood, he is still young enough to improve.  Particularly if he is coming in for the odd game with less pressure on him - and with better players around him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
Hope he managed to sleep alright at the Malmaison with all that redevelopment work going on at The Mailbox.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.

Being a greedyguts, perhaps, but if we sign Sanchez I'd still like to see us sign at least one other CM and maybe one on loan.  Holtby, or similar.  I'd be quite happy if Westwood and KEA didn't even make the bench. 

Though in the case of Westwood, he is still young enough to improve.  Particularly if he is coming in for the odd game with less pressure on him - and with better players around him.

I'm greedy too, I want Sanchez, Ki, Holtby and Gnabry now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 04:14:24 PM
Brum Mail reporting same as Sun now, snag hit due to 3rd party ownership complications.


which might have been the case. If indeed he has come in for a medical then those details are likely being ironed out. It's not like we walked away as was initially being suggested in The Sun.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
The Mail story was from last night.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
Am I the only one wondering what IJFGTBF is but doesn't want to ask in case it's obvious?

I think I know it but... I just fucking guessed to be honest
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
Am I the only one wondering what IJFGTBF is but doesn't want to ask in case it's obvious?

I think I know it but... I just fucking guessed to be honest

Winner winner, chicken dinner (well close enough I Just Fucking Guessed To Be Fair.

I have guessed twice in a row now, so I actual think guessing is an unfair description of my clear ability to predict the future.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.

Being a greedyguts, perhaps, but if we sign Sanchez I'd still like to see us sign at least one other CM and maybe one on loan.  Holtby, or similar.  I'd be quite happy if Westwood and KEA didn't even make the bench. 

Though in the case of Westwood, he is still young enough to improve.  Particularly if he is coming in for the odd game with less pressure on him - and with better players around him.

I'm greedy too, I want Sanchez, Ki, Holtby and Gnabry now.

Gnarbry looked good against us at VP.  But then so did Sidwell. 

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
Am I the only one wondering what IJFGTBF is but doesn't want to ask in case it's obvious?

I think I know it but... I just fucking guessed to be honest

Winner winner, chicken dinner (well close enough I Just Fucking Guessed To Be Fair.

I have guessed twice in a row now, so I actual think guessing is an unfair description of my clear ability to predict the future.


I don't know why I saw a H instead of an F at the end, tbh is clearly a term I see far too often
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 12, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
If Sanchez comes in I hope it means we never see the Westwood/KEA combination ever again. One of them maybe but when the two play together it's shocking. Much like Clark & Baker.

Being a greedyguts, perhaps, but if we sign Sanchez I'd still like to see us sign at least one other CM and maybe one on loan.  Holtby, or similar.  I'd be quite happy if Westwood and KEA didn't even make the bench. 

Though in the case of Westwood, he is still young enough to improve.  Particularly if he is coming in for the odd game with less pressure on him - and with better players around him.

I'm greedy too, I want Sanchez, Ki, Holtby and Gnabry now.

Gnarbry looked good against us at VP.  But then so did Sidwell. 



For the last three years, so has almost everyone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2014, 04:35:52 PM
Me too to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Loxton01 on August 12, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
I think it looks pretty nailed on with Skysport sources now reporting as opposed to just paper talk.

A signing weve needed for a long time. Westwood KEA etc have rested on their laurels for so long playing one good three bad games etc we need competition for places.

Lets hope this guy improves the team.

We defianetly seem to be trying to add experience as opposed to youth as we all demanded on a shoe string.

Think defensively we look more solid lets hope we keep Vlaar. If we do id sell clark as he's had his chance.

Midfield if this guy sits and protects it allows the likes of delph to attack and get into the box much more.

Gabby for me can go. He doesnt produce time and time again.

With the additions we seem to have extra strength in depth.

Id love us to chance our arm and get a couple of players in on loan who are out of favour at there clubs the likes of Guidetti, Moses, Ben Arfa, Holtby, Zaha

To me players who can go are

Gabby, Clark, Herd, Bennett, Lowton [Shame but clearly out of favour]
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
I'd keep Gabby and Lowton for now, but agree the others are a bit pointless. Mind you, I'd get rid of Baker before any of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on August 12, 2014, 04:41:11 PM
Maybe we should keep players now. Strength in depth has been lacking for years. Well done Lambert on the summers business.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
If Sanchez is to be the player to break up play and provide cover for the back four, what are the thoughts on KEA being the deep play maker?

He is too lightweight to be a defensive midfielder, but perhaps he offers a more enterprising alternative to Westwood (who I like).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on August 12, 2014, 04:43:08 PM
Saw a link to Alex Song, which might explain the Arsenal story. Assuming he's still there of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: Loxton01 on August 12, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
I think it looks pretty nailed on with Skysport sources now reporting as opposed to just paper talk.

A signing weve needed for a long time. Westwood KEA etc have rested on their laurels for so long playing one good three bad games etc we need competition for places.

Lets hope this guy improves the team.

We defianetly seem to be trying to add experience as opposed to youth as we all demanded on a shoe string.

Think defensively we look more solid lets hope we keep Vlaar. If we do id sell clark as he's had his chance.

Midfield if this guy sits and protects it allows the likes of delph to attack and get into the box much more.

Gabby for me can go. He doesnt produce time and time again.

With the additions we seem to have extra strength in depth.

Id love us to chance our arm and get a couple of players in on loan who are out of favour at there clubs the likes of Guidetti, Moses, Ben Arfa, Holtby, Zaha

To me players who can go are

Gabby, Clark, Herd, Bennett, Lowton [Shame but clearly out of favour]

Replace Bennett and Clark with Stevens and Baker and I'd agree. I'd proba bly only be looking to see 2-3 of them off though, then keep the rest for now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2014, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 12, 2014, 04:43:08 PM
Saw a link to Alex Song, which might explain the Arsenal story. Assuming he's still there of course.
Not for at least two years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
He went to Barca didn't he? I could probably Google it, but you know.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2014, 04:50:31 PM
Yup.

Was supposed to go going to AC Milan or somewhere like that this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:50:58 PM
I always thought Song was a dirty bastard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on August 12, 2014, 04:41:11 PM
Maybe we should keep players now. Strength in depth has been lacking for years. Well done Lambert on the summers business.

If only he knew what to do with them we'd be looking forward to the season with some confidence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:50:58 PM
I always thought Song was a dirty bastard.

Quite injury prone but a very decent player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 12, 2014, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:50:58 PM
I always thought Song was a dirty bastard.

Same.  Just what we've been lacking. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2014, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
If Sanchez is to be the player to break up play and provide cover for the back four, what are the thoughts on KEA being the deep play maker?

He is too lightweight to be a defensive midfielder, but perhaps he offers a more enterprising alternative to Westwood (who I like).

It's a nice problem to have. Westwood needs to step it up a level which I think he's capable of. KEA will probably spend more time on the bench this season. Lambert appears to love both but Keane may not be so erm.. keen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 12, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
It looks very positive on the Sanchez front. A six foot, rock hard, defensive midfielder. Just what we require!

Well spotted Roy Keane.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 12, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
If Sanchez is to be the player to break up play and provide cover for the back four, what are the thoughts on KEA being the deep play maker?

He is too lightweight to be a defensive midfielder, but perhaps he offers a more enterprising alternative to Westwood (who I like).

It's a nice problem to have. Westwood needs to step it up a level which I think he's capable of. KEA will probably spend more time on the bench this season. Lambert appears to love both but Keane may not be so erm.. keen.

I'd like Ki as well but realistically we will probably play only 2 in the middle with a no. 10 in front as much as we will play a 3 so with Sanchez, Delph, Westwood, KEA and Gardner we're probably covered in there.  We've still also got Herd, Bacuna and Clark as emergency cover in there if needed. On paper we're probably ok numbers wise but given the injury situation with Cole, Kozak and Benteke another forward thinking player on loan might be handy so that Grealish can be eased in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ghost of Pongo Waring on August 12, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on August 12, 2014, 04:41:11 PM
Maybe we should keep players now. Strength in depth has been lacking for years. Well done Lambert on the summers business.

If only he knew what to do with them we'd be looking forward to the season with some confidence.

Considering the calibre of players we've signed under Lambert, if he was as tactically clueless as some make out we'd have been easily relegated. (Thats not aimed at any specific poster)

He's by no means perfect but then in management terms he's still a relatively 'young' manager, especially in the top flight and is still, hopefully, learning. Maybe it's
wishful thinking as I like Lambert and also, although I'm possibly in a small minority, like his 'we go again' attitude whether we've had a good win or bad defeat.

If we sign Sanchez then I think we've had a reasonable summer. Not hugely exciting but we'll be stronger than this time last year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
I'd keep Gabby and Lowton for now, but agree the others are a bit pointless. Mind you, I'd get rid of Baker before any of them.
Gabby and Lowton are good options. However, I've lost patience with Gabby. All that potential and nothing.... waster
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on August 12, 2014, 05:57:51 PM
I guarantee Gabby will play well on Saturday because that is what he does. It's likely though to be his best performance of the season, because he does that as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2014, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
All that potential and nothing.... waster
I'm not sure that being Villa's all-time leading Premier League goalscorer is 'nothing'.

I'd have said that his career has gone very much in line with the potential that he showed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on August 12, 2014, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 12, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
If Sanchez is to be the player to break up play and provide cover for the back four, what are the thoughts on KEA being the deep play maker?

He is too lightweight to be a defensive midfielder, but perhaps he offers a more enterprising alternative to Westwood (who I like).
It's a nice problem to have. Westwood needs to step it up a level which I think he's capable of. KEA will probably spend more time on the bench this season. Lambert appears to love both but Keane may not be so erm.. keen.
I've said it before but I don't think KEA can offer anything in this league. I don't see him as creative at all and he loses the ball in challenges so often he's a liability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Pongo Waring on August 12, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on August 12, 2014, 04:41:11 PM
Maybe we should keep players now. Strength in depth has been lacking for years. Well done Lambert on the summers business.

If only he knew what to do with them we'd be looking forward to the season with some confidence.

Considering the calibre of players we've signed under Lambert, if he was as tactically clueless as some make out we'd have been easily relegated. (Thats not aimed at any specific poster)

He's by no means perfect but then in management terms he's still a relatively 'young' manager, especially in the top flight and is still, hopefully, learning. Maybe it's wishful thinking as I like Lambert and also, although I'm possibly in a small minority, like his 'we go again' attitude whether we've had a good win or bad defeat.

If we sign Sanchez then I think we've had a reasonable summer. Not hugely exciting but we'll be stronger than this time last year.

He most certainly isn't anywhere near perfect, I'll give you that, Pongo. I also like him, I just don't rate him. Overall I think he's bought well, so I don't blame the players as much as I blame him. I'd prefer he refrained from "we go again" and just bloody fix the problem but tactics don't appear to be his strong point.

I'm all for "wishful thinking" because that's all we can do with Lambert, without slashing our collective wrists. The season's about to kick off and I'm wishfully praying Lambert can get it right and prove to be the manager we hoped we'd got two years ago. I'm also praying Keane can help him see what's going on in front of him when things go wrong.

Who knows, he may turn out to be the missing ingredient to our management team and we start playing like those few, rare occasions last season when we looked brilliantly organised and pressed teams into submission. God knows what was going on behind the scenes and at Bodymoor Heath last season but as there's been no takeover we're stuck with the Accidental Manager.

Let's wish/pray he is learning and manages to finally start delivering on his previous promise. It looks like he's signing another decent player that will give us all a much needed lift. It's not like we don't deserve it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2014, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
All that potential and nothing.... waster
I'm not sure that being Villa's all-time leading Premier League goalscorer is 'nothing'.

I'd have said that his career has gone very much in line with the potential that he showed.
a lot of our other strikers would have scored a lot more than Gabby in the amount of games he's had. He really could have pushed on. But, he hasn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2014, 06:24:47 PM
if Lambert comes out just once with WGA this season I'm going to do a Gareth Williams
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
I'd guess that most of thought 5 years ago that Gabby would have scored more and been a better player than he has been. He's done okay for us but hasn't kicked on like I thought he would.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: E I Adio on August 12, 2014, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2014, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
All that potential and nothing.... waster
I'm not sure that being Villa's all-time leading Premier League goalscorer is 'nothing'.

I'd have said that his career has gone very much in line with the potential that he showed.
a lot of our other strikers would have scored a lot more than Gabby in the amount of games he's had. He really could have pushed on. But, he hasn't.

The problem with Gabby as I see it is that he has never been a particularly all round talented player. His skills are limited. His major asset, which is his speed will inevitably deteriorate if it hasn't begun to already, but he has other attributes of course, for instance he can be a threat in the air in front of goal, but things that require a little bit of thought, sensory anticipation or skill with the ball at his feet in a one on one situation are not his strong points.

I think he is still worth his place as long as he is played in a position where he can show his strengths.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 06:36:01 PM
given his primary attribute injuries haven't helped at all and also I think the departure of MON really affected him. He was in great form for a while there alongside Carew/Young, and was so important in so many facets of the game. For me works best as a lone forward, or at least in a front two. Not as a winger or wide forward where he is asked to track back a lot. When you are a sprinter being knackered doesn't help.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 12, 2014, 06:37:55 PM
 If we sign Sanchez i would let KEA and Herd go tbh.Keep GG and Westwood for 12 months and if neither develop let them go then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 12, 2014, 06:37:55 PM
If we sign Sanchez i would let KEA and Herd go tbh.Keep GG and Westwood for 12 months and if neither develop let them go then.

With our record for injuries i'd keep them until January at least. especially with the injury problems Gardner has had.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 12, 2014, 06:39:33 PM
From John Percy at the Telegraph

@John__Percy: Elche's Colombia international midfielder Carlos Sanchez is flying to Birmingham on Wednesday for a medical, ahead of a £4.5m move to #avfc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
I thought he was at the Malmaisson now? Bloody ITKs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 06:42:00 PM
I thought he was already in Birmingham?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 12, 2014, 06:37:55 PM
If we sign Sanchez i would let KEA and Herd go tbh.Keep GG and Westwood for 12 months and if neither develop let them go then.

With our record for injuries i'd keep them until January at least. especially with the injury problems Gardner has had.

I'd be keeping KEA, he's not that bad a player and he's worth keeping around. I can't see Gardner getting too much of a chance really though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
As much as there's a load of bullshit floating around . .

It has to be said that the Harj bloke on twitter called this transfer, the Tonev to Celtic and the ki bid before anyone else (as far as I can tell)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
I thought he was at the Malmaisson now? Bloody ITKs.
I blame Ads.
Ads out!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 12, 2014, 06:48:57 PM
"The Ads" I think you will find. he has crowned himself with that title much like Napoleon....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2014, 06:57:42 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 12, 2014, 06:48:57 PM
"The Ads" I think you will find. he has crowned himself with that title much like Napoleon....

Forget McLeish, 'The Ads' will go down in Villa history as the true TSM.*







*The Shit Manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 12, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 12, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
I thought he was at the Malmaisson now? Bloody ITKs.
Me too. My mate who's security head knew about him being there today, he hates football too so wouldn't be one to BS.
Maybe he is already here just waiting while this 3rd party business was sorted?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2014, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 12, 2014, 06:37:55 PM
If we sign Sanchez i would let KEA and Herd go tbh.Keep GG and Westwood for 12 months and if neither develop let them go then.

With our record for injuries i'd keep them until January at least. especially with the injury problems Gardner has had.

I'd be keeping KEA, he's not that bad a player and he's worth keeping around. I can't see Gardner getting too much of a chance really though.

I agree, I wasn't keen on kea but thought he was much better last season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
I believe vinny's mate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 12, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2014, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
All that potential and nothing.... waster
I'm not sure that being Villa's all-time leading Premier League goalscorer is 'nothing'.

I'd have said that his career has gone very much in line with the potential that he showed.

I think back in 2009, we all thought he would kick on and be a real player for us and his country. As others have said he just isnt great technically. An average player who has done very well out of the premiership era
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2014, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
I believe vinny's mate.

Me too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2014, 07:30:59 PM
Sanchez medical tomorrow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 12, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 12, 2014, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
I believe vinny's mate.

Me too.
I just sent him a picture of Sanchez and said are you sure this
Is the same guy? He's said yes.
Will see if he's full of shit or mistaking him with another black guy with a giant Afro.
Guess we will see in due course. It is however, not uncommon for players to stay in a hotel and wait while final negotiations go on, prior to medical
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
He'll fail the bastard medical now, you watch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
He'll fail the bastard medical now, you watch.

it will be something wrong with his teeth


oh scratch that. We signed that bloke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
He'll fail the bastard medical now, you watch.

it will be something wrong with his teeth


oh scratch that. We signed that bloke

Shane McGowan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2014, 07:54:27 PM
No no way he will fail the medical. He is from a land called Colombia.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 12, 2014, 06:48:57 PM
"The Ads" I think you will find. he has crowned himself with that title much like Napoleon....
Apologies to you and all other posters ciggie, but not to The Ads, oh no...
he needs to know he's lost any semblance of respect he may have had!
;-)

Sanchez in!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2014, 08:00:57 PM
The Ads does not tolerate no back chat suckers.

The Ads made clear that the Malmaison rumour had come from a random on the web.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 12, 2014, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
He'll fail the bastard medical now, you watch.

it will be something wrong with his teeth


oh scratch that. We signed that bloke

Shane McGowan?
He,he - very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 12, 2014, 08:00:57 PM
The Ads does not tolerate no back chat suckers.

The Ads made clear that the Malmaison rumour had come from a random on the web.
The Ads has taken to referring to himself in the third person  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
The Ads' time has been and gone!
We are revolting!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
He'll fail the bastard medical now, you watch.

His DNA will turn up on some Interpol database for having strangled a few people, or something.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
As much as there's a load of bullshit floating around . .

It has to be said that the Harj bloke on twitter called this transfer, the Tonev to Celtic and the ki bid before anyone else (as far as I can tell)

Also worth nothing that he does so and does so under his own name, and only posts stuff very rarely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2014, 09:00:30 PM
Ebola. Nailed on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 12, 2014, 09:00:30 PM
Ebola. Nailed on.

Is this Ebola fella another left back?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 12, 2014, 09:09:30 PM
Forward, you ill educated Palestine!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: jcsutv on August 12, 2014, 09:14:31 PM
Birmingham mail saying its on again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 12, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
"My mate has been on a cricket tour of Africa, and he caught something."

"Ebola?"

"No, but he a very good fielder."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on August 12, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
"My mate has been on a cricket tour of Africa, and he caught something."

"Ebola?"

"No, but he a very good fielder."
Bloody hell, we need you in the joke thread
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
Saints have supposedly bid £12m for Shane Long. Complete insanity. I have to be honest and say i'm almost glad we don't have much money when I see these kind of mental prices for average players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
Saints have supposedly bid £12m for Shane Long. Complete insanity. I have to be honest and say i'm almost glad we don't have much money when I see these kind of mental prices for average players.

Just read that on the 'other transfers' thread. That's just madness if it's true.I wonder if the pinstripeyfilth thought to include a sell on clause?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
The world's gone mad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
Saints have supposedly bid £12m for Shane Long. Complete insanity. I have to be honest and say i'm almost glad we don't have much money when I see these kind of mental prices for average players.

Just read that on the 'other transfers' thread. That's just madness if it's true.I wonder if the pinstripeyfilth thought to include a sell on clause?

They were probably loffin' when they got £7m for him. How the fuck are Hull making a £5m profit on him 6 months later? Saints must be in full panic buy mode.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2014, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
Saints have supposedly bid £12m for Shane Long. Complete insanity. I have to be honest and say i'm almost glad we don't have much money when I see these kind of mental prices for average players.

Good piece of business for Hull if true, scored the goals that kept them up last season and then almost double their money on him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 12, 2014, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 12, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on August 12, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
"My mate has been on a cricket tour of Africa, and he caught something."

"Ebola?"

"No, but he a very good fielder."
Bloody hell, we need you in the joke thread

It must be bloody rotten if we do
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
Saints have supposedly bid £12m for Shane Long. Complete insanity. I have to be honest and say i'm almost glad we don't have much money when I see these kind of mental prices for average players.

Just read that on the 'other transfers' thread. That's just madness if it's true.I wonder if the pinstripeyfilth thought to include a sell on clause?

They were probably loffin' when they got £7m for him. How the fuck are Hull making a £5m profit on him 6 months later? Saints must be in full panic buy mode.

Is the correct answer, plus everyone things they're loaded at the moment, regardless of how much of the 90 odd million they've had to use on clearing debt.

They could well end up almost cash neutral with a significantly weaker squad by the end of the window as they're absolutely fleeced on purchases, by at least as much as they rinsed Liverpool and company.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2014, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?

I thought he was older than 27.

Haven't they just paid £10m for a goalie that they didn't really need?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2014, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?

Stick a zero on the end and you might be close in this market.

I really do hope that at some point modern football disappears up it's own arse.  However now that we're (The PL, La Liga and company) are into leveraging the brand in newish markets such as the US and East Asia, there's plenty of extra cash to flood in yet.

Now there's a phrase to make you puke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
Maybe we can persuade them to buy Baker for 10mill?  They sound desperate enough.  All money, no sense!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 12, 2014, 10:15:45 PM
If players are too expensive in Fat Cat League then look aboard and Ronald Keoman should know some good players in Holland and other countries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
Looks to me we'll play a midfield diamond this year and have the full backs bombing on. It will be Sanchez holding, Delph and Westwood advanced of him (although judging by pre season Richardson is an option for the middle trio aswell) and one of N'zogbia/Cole and hopefully Grealish depending on form and fitness.

I'd like to think we'll get one more midfielder in but not expecting it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?

Long offers more than goals though (he'd need to, with those figures).

He's an irritant, and doesn't allow defenders to settle.  Ideal for a team playing a pressing game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 12, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
Starting to think we dodged a bullet by never persuing Koeman as a managerial option. He's making MON look like a miser.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2014, 10:30:34 PM
SSN "HQ" saying Sanchez to have medical on Sunday? Surely they mean Wednesday?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?

Long offers more than goals though (he'd need to, with those figures).

He's an irritant, and doesn't allow defenders to settle.  Ideal for a team playing a pressing game.


I don't mind Long as a player as I think he has his uses, the kind of player Weimann could be for us. But £12m?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
For that role, right or left of the main forward, I'd take him over Gabby and Weimann in a heartbeat. 

£12 million does seem nuts though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?

Long offers more than goals though (he'd need to, with those figures).

He's an irritant, and doesn't allow defenders to settle.  Ideal for a team playing a pressing game.


I don't mind Long as a player as I think he has his uses, the kind of player Weimann could be for us. But £12m

Good player but for £12m you're having a bubble, especially when better players like Finnbogason have sold for just over half that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
For that role, right or left of the main forward, I'd take him over Gabby and Weimann in a heartbeat. 

£12 million does seem nuts though.

Yep me too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2014, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 12, 2014, 10:30:34 PM
SSN "HQ" saying Sanchez to have medical on Sunday? Surely they mean Wednesday?

Pete Colley said on Twitter today that it's happening tomorrow evening, which still seems a bit slow to me, but as long as it happens I'm quite sanguine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
For that role, right or left of the main forward, I'd take him over Gabby and Weimann in a heartbeat. 

£12 million does seem nuts though.

Yep me too.

I've only ever been impressed with him when he's played Villa, and that's because he was a pain in the arse rather than a brilliant striker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2014, 10:45:08 PM
I've always thought Long was underrated.

But at 12m he's hugely overpriced.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 12, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 12, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
For that role, right or left of the main forward, I'd take him over Gabby and Weimann in a heartbeat. 

£12 million does seem nuts though.

Yep me too.

I've only ever been impressed with him when he's played Villa, and that's because he was a pain in the arse rather than a brilliant striker.

One thing I rather like about Shane Long is every time he has scored against us he looks , well, rather apologetic. His two goals against us last season at that showers place were really nice as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:50:46 PM
His workrate puts both Weimann and Gabby (2014 version) to shame.

A bit like a modern-day Dean Saunders, but with less goals. 

At £12 million, I'm glad we're not involved though.

But I would dearly like to see two wide forwards coming in, who can either offer pace or a bit of creativity.   Gabby and Bill need a kick up the arse.  Neither should be guaranteed first team regulars. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 12, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
For that role, right or left of the main forward, I'd take him over Gabby and Weimann in a heartbeat. 

£12 million does seem nuts though.

Yep me too.

I've only ever been impressed with him when he's played Villa, and that's because he was a pain in the arse rather than a brilliant striker.

A pain in the arse is fine as Gabby and Weimann are neither for defences.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 12, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
£12m for a 27 year old striker who has scored 10 league goals once in his career and is a career 1 in 4.  A ratio bolstered by one blinding season in the Championship. What the fuck must Benteke be worth?

Long offers more than goals though (he'd need to, with those figures).

He's an irritant, and doesn't allow defenders to settle.  Ideal for a team playing a pressing game.


I don't mind Long as a player as I think he has his uses, the kind of player Weimann could be for us. But £12m?

Long has marginally more footballing ability than Weimann but with miles better attitude.

Easy cash for Hull that
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 13, 2014, 12:08:29 AM
Long is a funny one, we probably over value him as he's tended to have blinders against us apart from the day he was Huttonated .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 12, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 12, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 12, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
For that role, right or left of the main forward, I'd take him over Gabby and Weimann in a heartbeat. 

£12 million does seem nuts though.

Yep me too.

I've only ever been impressed with him when he's played Villa, and that's because he was a pain in the arse rather than a brilliant striker.

His goals against us were brilliant. He is capable of playing really well regardless of the opposition, has a great leap for a little guy, a bit like Tim Cahill in the air, and works his nads off running the channels. You pay an inflated premium when buying from other English clubs, just as well we have a manager who has a bit of nous when it comes to using the foreign market.

Can you imagine having Martin "if he hasn't played in the Prem before I'm not interested" O'Neill trying to get value with our current budget? He'd rather have coaxed Steve Guppy and Matt Elliott out of retirement than gone for a Vlaar or Sanchez.

*Yes, Carew, but he was offered to him by his successor in exchange for the archetypal fancy dan European, Baros, who he couldn't wait to get shot of.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
We made a lot of excuses for Bent re: Young and Downing leaving, but no-one seems to mention Gabby losing those two plus his partner Carew. He linked particularly well with him and Ash.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
Gabby managed 3 league goals in 2010/11 with both Downing and Young in the team. There is more to Gabby's decline than just that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 13, 2014, 02:33:14 AM
I think Long spends too much time running away from goal, he does not have a strikers instinct. A better bet than Gabby or Weiman but not at those prices.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on August 13, 2014, 06:45:31 AM
Can't see an 'other club's transfers' bit so I'll rant here.  Can people please stop referring to Everton as skint now?  Just noticed  they've found £28m for Lukaku!  WTF?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2014, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on August 13, 2014, 06:45:31 AM
Can't see an 'other club's transfers' bit so I'll rant here.  Can people please stop referring to Everton as skint now?  Just noticed  they've found £28m for Lukaku!  WTF?
Other Football forum.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rigadon on August 13, 2014, 07:52:46 AM
Cheers, I'll gasp in disbelief there in future!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2014, 08:32:43 AM
Hearing a 3 yr deal is signed...according to Wiki anyway...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 08:59:39 AM
Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2014, 08:32:43 AM
Hearing a 3 yr deal is signed...according to Wiki anyway...

 ::) Bless they who struggle with the concept of wikipedia!  ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DB on August 13, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
Quote from: Des Little on February 21, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Chamakh is about as good as his hairstyle.  Dreadful.

When I see him play, I keep expecting some envoiromental types to get him in a net and clean his hair up with toothbrushes and fairy liquid...oh and he's is shit. Probably his agent trying get him a move.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
Gabby managed 3 league goals in 2010/11 with both Downing and Young in the team. There is more to Gabby's decline than just that.

About halfway through last season there were plenty on here thinking Gabby was having his best season for ages and that he deserved an England recall. It was mid-january when he took Liverpool apart at Anfield. He went off injured at half-time in that game, when they came back from 2-0 down. The season before we really missed him when he was injured too.

As always with Villa fans and their pathological need to moan and bitch, it is the most recent of memories – Gabby's performances at the end of the season (when we were missing Benteke and the team's form suffered) – which seem to define everything people say about him.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 13, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
Gabby managed 3 league goals in 2010/11 with both Downing and Young in the team. There is more to Gabby's decline than just that.

About halfway through last season there were plenty on here thinking Gabby was having his best season for ages and that he deserved an England recall. It was mid-january when he took Liverpool apart at Anfield. He went off injured at half-time in that game, when they came back from 2-0 down. The season before we really missed him when he was injured too.

As always with Villa fans and their pathological need to moan and bitch, it is the most recent memories – Gabby's performances at the end of the season (when we were missing Benteke and the team's form suffered) – which seem to define everything people say about him.

I'm not on here enough to know whether this is true, but i will be astonished if 'plenty' of people stated that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 09:20:30 AM
pathological hyperbole, .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 13, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 13, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
Gabby managed 3 league goals in 2010/11 with both Downing and Young in the team. There is more to Gabby's decline than just that.

About halfway through last season there were plenty on here thinking Gabby was having his best season for ages and that he deserved an England recall. It was mid-january when he took Liverpool apart at Anfield. He went off injured at half-time in that game, when they came back from 2-0 down. The season before we really missed him when he was injured too.

As always with Villa fans and their pathological need to moan and bitch, it is the most recent memories – Gabby's performances at the end of the season (when we were missing Benteke and the team's form suffered) – which seem to define everything people say about him.

I'm not on here enough to know whether this is true, but i will be astonished if 'plenty' of people stated that.


There has always been a lobby of people who think Gabby should be a starter for England on here, been the same for years
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on August 13, 2014, 09:36:00 AM
Gabby always seems have half a good season. Last season it was the first half, season before it was the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 13, 2014, 09:38:07 AM
Agbonlahor does his best as most (if not all) footballers do. He has limited talent which was always obvious. However he will be well thought of when he departs Villa Park. But in our current situation I doubt it will be this season. It will be when his contract ends.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
Gabby managed 3 league goals in 2010/11 with both Downing and Young in the team. There is more to Gabby's decline than just that.

About halfway through last season there were plenty on here thinking Gabby was having his best season for ages and that he deserved an England recall. It was mid-january when he took Liverpool apart at Anfield. He went off injured at half-time in that game, when they came back from 2-0 down. The season before we really missed him when he was injured too.

As always with Villa fans and their pathological need to moan and bitch, it is the most recent of memories – Gabby's performances at the end of the season (when we were missing Benteke and the team's form suffered) – which seem to define everything people say about him.
You obviously take pride in holding an opposing view against overwhelming opinion pointing the other way but this post is extreme behind belief. Gabby has been the problem rather than a solution for many years now. I really don't know where this took Liverpool apart at Anfield comes from but it's your way of throwing the spanner in and that's fine. Don't remember the clamour for England selection from plenty as you say. Villa fans are no more moaners than another set of fans and certainly not pathological. You really ought to have a bit more respect for people on here and our fans in general.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 09:51:38 AM
He did have a great game at Liverpool, that much is certainly true. I think we'd have won had he stayed on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on August 13, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Gabby has a good third of the season then goes missing for the rest.Love the guy to bits but it isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2014, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on August 13, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Gabby has a good third of the season then goes missing for the rest.Love the guy to bits but it isn't good enough.

He's still the best we've got though. And even if we did sell him would you trust the club to replace him with a better player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on August 13, 2014, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2014, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on August 13, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Gabby has a good third of the season then goes missing for the rest.Love the guy to bits but it isn't good enough.

He's still the best we've got though. And even if we did sell him would you trust the club to replace him with a better player?
Who said anything about selling him?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Anyway, back to Sanchez - will this happen today?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 13, 2014, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2014, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on August 13, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Gabby has a good third of the season then goes missing for the rest.Love the guy to bits but it isn't good enough.

He's still the best we've got though. And even if we did sell him would you trust the club to replace him with a better player?

He is not the best we've got! Are you saying Benteke is a lesser player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2014, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Anyway, back to Sanchez - will this happen today?

That terrible new Sky Sports Channel have said the medical won't be until Sunday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 10:10:08 AM
At Anfield, if people don't remember the problems Gabby caused their [EDIT: defence].

The game turned when he got injured.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 13, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
Re Gabby: as has been said many times, if houllier had been here longer and gabby had listened to him instead of being the big-I-am he would have added some dimensions to his game rather than carrying on as a one trick pony.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: Rolta on August 13, 2014, 10:10:08 AM
At Anfield, if people don't remember the problems Gabby caused their left back in that game...............................(started this and then realised it was Cissokho! – doh)

Maybe it was Cissokho that made Gabby look so good  :-\ – actually, maybe it was the right back he terrorised!

The game turned when he got injured.

Watched some of the highlights – it was Toure he humiliated for pace for his two assists in that game. Nothing to do with Cissokho!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
The problem with Gabby is not that he can't do it or never does it anymore.

It is that he doesn't do it anything like enough.

How many times have we seen him 'do it' over the last few years?

I genuinely think he is in his comfort zone, coasting, and a move would be good for him and maybe for us, too. It certainly would if he's on big money now - and given the fact MON loved him, I suspect he will be  - and expects a new contract paying similar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 13, 2014, 10:22:10 AM
It's all well and good pointing to one game in 38 where he is effective, it's when his ineffective games far outweigh the ones in which he does well that there's a problem, and I don't think anyone can argue that this hasn't been the case for a few seasons now.

Edit: paulie got in there before me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 13, 2014, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Anyway, back to Sanchez - will this happen today?

That terrible new Sky Sports Channel have said the medical won't be until Sunday.

Apologies for the self-quote, but reports from Spain on Twitter have said he's in Birmingham for a medical today. WM have it that Sanchez has refused to train in order to force a move. So he's either here, or in Spain, or in between, and he's either having a medical, or isn't. FML.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 13, 2014, 10:50:08 AM
I hope he's not still sat in the bar at the Malmaison
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on August 13, 2014, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Anyway, back to Sanchez - will this happen today?

Hopefully we haven't run out of fax toner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2014, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
The problem with Gabby is not that he can't do it or never does it anymore.

It is that he doesn't do it anything like enough.

How many times have we seen him 'do it' over the last few years?

I genuinely think he is in his comfort zone, coasting, and a move would be good for him and maybe for us, too. It certainly would if he's on big money now - and given the fact MON loved him, I suspect he will be  - and expects a new contract paying similar.

Exactly this, he had 2 phenomenal performances last year, the liverpool away as mentioned and in the opening day win over Arsenal where he was totally unplayable.  In the past he's had 7-8 games of that quality every year, last season and under McLeish he had 1-2 and in lamberts first season he had 4-5 in a row but that was largely when Benteke was playing at such a high level that he dragged the whole team up with him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kiddylion on August 13, 2014, 11:03:16 AM
Is this the gabby thread now??😄
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
The problem with Gabby is not that he can't do it or never does it anymore.

It is that he doesn't do it anything like enough.

How many times have we seen him 'do it' over the last few years?

I genuinely think he is in his comfort zone, coasting, and a move would be good for him and maybe for us, too. It certainly would if he's on big money now - and given the fact MON loved him, I suspect he will be  - and expects a new contract paying similar.

I agree with your analysis but for now am prepared to give the benefit of the doubt about your conclusion. He has been playing in a side where forwards have been starved of possession so it could be argued that his performances have suffered as a result. It might, therefore, that his game is a symptom of that or it might be that you are right and he is part of the problem.

The way I see it he has until the return to full fitness of Benteke and Kozak to show that one way or the other.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
The problem with Gabby is not that he can't do it or never does it anymore.

It is that he doesn't do it anything like enough.

How many times have we seen him 'do it' over the last few years?

I genuinely think he is in his comfort zone, coasting, and a move would be good for him and maybe for us, too. It certainly would if he's on big money now - and given the fact MON loved him, I suspect he will be  - and expects a new contract paying similar.

Agreed, although the way he's going he'll be sat on the bench with Bent and Weimann starting, or one of them with a Cole or Zog etc. in the hole.

I agree with your analysis but for now am prepared to give the benefit of the doubt about your conclusion. He has been playing in a side where forwards have been starved of possession so it could be argued that his performances have suffered as a result. It might, therefore, that his game is a symptom of that or it might be that you are right and he is part of the problem.

The way I see it he has until the return to full fitness of Benteke and Kozak to show that one way or the other.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 11:22:04 AM
No medical until Sunday? that makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 11:23:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 11:22:04 AM
No medical until Sunday? that makes no sense at all.

We're doing them on the NHS these days, it saves a few quid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 13, 2014, 11:24:10 AM
I think we need to get this carlitos (what the Colombians call him ) signed up pronto. Hopefully someone's security mate can go and check he's not still sat in the bar at the malmaison as Des was worried he might be. I did laugh at that to be honest : )
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Interestingly I don't think Holtby is on the list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11029566/Tottenham-Hotspur-open-to-offers-for-11-players-in-desperate-attempt-to-cut-squad.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2014, 11:25:36 AM
I am not sure if this is really for this thread or a new one, but assuming Sanchez passes his medical, what is our best side and what is our best system?

I certainly feel we are a lot stronger and more exprienced following this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 13, 2014, 11:26:08 AM
If the song we sing for him doesn't involve the words 'Dirty Sanchez' I'll be very disappointed.  That is all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 13, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 11:22:04 AM
No medical until Sunday? that makes no sense at all.
i agree Paul. There's probably a good reason for it - maybe connected to the 3rd party ownership issue as others have posted previously when the deal looked to have stalled - but I reckon the longer you fuck about before the deal is closed, the higher the risk of some other club coming in and hijacking it with offers of better wages. That said, I can understand the club not wanting to fuck things up through a PL rule compliance error.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
Spanish press saying his medical is today.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Interestingly I don't think Holtby is on the list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11029566/Tottenham-Hotspur-open-to-offers-for-11-players-in-desperate-attempt-to-cut-squad.html

Without looking at the list I assume they're all midfielders. Every season Tottenham seem to sign about 10 more midfielders.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: The Ads on August 13, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
Spanish press saying his medical is today.

Well since that's what I want to believe, I'm going to believe that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
As for gabby...he started off 3 seasons ago on firs, playing on the left, and then got injured around October or November (after Norwich I think). He struggled when he eventually got back into the team but then was moved to playing the lone furrow up fron with no support.

2 seasons ago his struggles from the previous season continued and then he again picked up an injury that laid him off. he returned and after Christmas he was excellent for us. Again, mostly from a wide position.

Last season was an on-off season and amongst excellence (he started the season very well), mediocrity and injury lay-offs I thought he did okay and was rushed back to soon at times from injury as he was our only outlet and source of creativity.

Gabby is crucial to us as when he's on top form he's unplayable. However, he picks up niggles and is constantly asked to play oiut of position. People look at his goals when being negative about him but forget he was up front with rubbish servioce or playing out on the left for 3 seasons.

Maybe it's indicative of our status that he has been one of our best playuers for the past 3 seasons and if he hadn't been injured quite a few times I think he would have carried us to mid-table as a minimum. I'm still a Gabby fan and think that he has still a lot to offer. I'm not prepared to give up on him and I also don't thimnk he likes to be over burdened with things like captaincy. Just let him run in a straight line and cut the ball back to someone. Put the ball behing the central defence and let him run on to it. When we play competently to his strengths then he and we look better for it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
As for gabby...he started off 3 seasons ago on firs, playing on the left, and then got injured around October or November (after Norwich I think). He struggled when he eventually got back into the team but then was moved to playing the lone furrow up fron with no support.

2 seasons ago his struggles from the previous season continued and then he again picked up an injury that laid him off. he returned and after Christmas he was excellent for us. Again, mostly from a wide position.

Last season was an on-off season and amongst excellence (he started the season very well), mediocrity and injury lay-offs I thought he did okay and was rushed back to soon at times from injury as he was our only outlet and source of creativity.

Gabby is crucial to us as when he's on top form he's unplayable. However, he picks up niggles and is constantly asked to play oiut of position. People look at his goals when being negative about him but forget he was up front with rubbish servioce or playing out on the left for 3 seasons.

Maybe it's indicative of our status that he has been one of our best playuers for the past 3 seasons and if he hadn't been injured quite a few times I think he would have carried us to mid-table as a minimum. I'm still a Gabby fan and think that he has still a lot to offer. I'm not prepared to give up on him and I also don't thimnk he likes to be over burdened with things like captaincy. Just let him run in a straight line and cut the ball back to someone. Put the ball behing the central defence and let him run on to it. When we play competently to his strengths then he and we look better for it.

I wonder if he's played in the last couple of seasons whilst carrying injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 11:41:21 AM
SSN have changed it from Sunday to Wednesday (today). Think they got confused by their super duper studio revamp.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hartman_1982 on August 13, 2014, 11:42:18 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Interestingly I don't think Holtby is on the list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11029566/Tottenham-Hotspur-open-to-offers-for-11-players-in-desperate-attempt-to-cut-squad.html
I'd love us to go in for Dembele. A midfield of Sanchez, Dembele and Delph actually excites me. Is that allowed?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 13, 2014, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on August 13, 2014, 11:42:18 AM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Interestingly I don't think Holtby is on the list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11029566/Tottenham-Hotspur-open-to-offers-for-11-players-in-desperate-attempt-to-cut-squad.html
I'd love us to go in for Dembele. A midfield of Sanchez, Dembele and Delph actually excites me. Is that allowed?

Agreed.  Those three in the midfield, with Westwood on the bench and KEA on his bike.  If there's money in the pot, let's do it
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 13, 2014, 11:45:27 AM
I don't think he's crucial to us at all now gabby. He's obviously a villa fan and will be held in similar regard to Taylor and other fan-players we've had previously. He's also been a very good player and a loyal servant to the club, but times change, things move on and he's no longer pivotal (if you believe he ever was) to us.

There are current players I'd be more gutted to see move on- Guzan, Vlaar , Delph, benteke to name 4 and maybe a couple of others.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
One thing I love about Gabby is that he's always been a big stage player and we've had precious few of those lately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2014, 11:49:00 AM
I'd take quite a few from that list if we had pots of money..

Townsend - I seriously doubt they'd let him go
Lennon - fast and direcxt. A modern day Tony Daley.
Dawson - v Senderos? Clark? Baker (who I think will be a very good central defender in the Prem if he's taken out of the firing line a bit more often)
Dembele - Very good player
Capoue - just didn't get enough games at Tottenham to see if he's any good
Chadli - as above
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
One thing I love about Gabby is that he's always been a big stage player and we've had precious few of those lately.

Yes, regardless of consistency, he is still one of an increasingly select bunch of players we have that when on form can hurt the top sides.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 13, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Of all those Spurs players listed the one I rate most is Dawson. However, if we get Sanchez then I think the Spurs player we need most is Lennon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 13, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
I don't think we'll buy anybody from Spurs. Their players will all be on too higher wages for us to manage.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 13, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
I don't think we'll buy anybody from Spurs. Their players will all be on too higher wages for us to manage.
I wonder if anybody has any data about how their wage bill compares to ours?

(edited for punctuation)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
The problem with Gabby is not that he can't do it or never does it anymore.

It is that he doesn't do it anything like enough.

How many times have we seen him 'do it' over the last few years?

I genuinely think he is in his comfort zone, coasting, and a move would be good for him and maybe for us, too. It certainly would if he's on big money now - and given the fact MON loved him, I suspect he will be  - and expects a new contract paying similar.

I agree with your analysis but for now am prepared to give the benefit of the doubt about your conclusion. He has been playing in a side where forwards have been starved of possession so it could be argued that his performances have suffered as a result. It might, therefore, that his game is a symptom of that or it might be that you are right and he is part of the problem.

The way I see it he has until the return to full fitness of Benteke and Kozak to show that one way or the other.

I think our hand is going to be forced re Gabby pretty soon as he's in the last year of his contract (I believe).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 13, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
I don't think we'll buy anybody from Spurs. Their players will all be on too higher wages for us to manage.
I wonder if anybody has any data about how they're wage bill compares to ours?

Oh, happy days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 12:04:27 PM
Dembele is a quality player and would massively improve our midfield, sadly he's way above where we're at currently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 13, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
I don't think we'll buy anybody from Spurs. Their players will all be on too higher wages for us to manage.
I wonder if anybody has any data about how they're wage bill compares to ours?

I don't know, but I'm sure if somebody does it will make interesting reading, and the findings would be unequivocal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hartman_1982 on August 13, 2014, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
One thing I love about Gabby is that he's always been a big stage player and we've had precious few of those lately.

Yes, regardless of consistency, he is still one of an increasingly select bunch of players we have that when on form can hurt the top sides.
While Benteke had a great first season, I think it was actually Gabby that dragged us over the line that year. The winner at Norwich just summed him up. I also genuinely don't believe it is a can't be arsed attitude with him. He's had a lot of niggles over the last few years, I think he depends a lot on his physical attributes and when he isn't 100% he stands out like a sore thumb.
I expect the club to offer him a new deal but on reduced terms. I also think he will sign it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 12:08:40 PM
sadly, all of the Spuds people out of our reach financially unless we have a new owner waiting and watching from the wing(s).As to Gabby, I'd let him go if any meaningful offer came in; a shame MON still isn't at Sunderland.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 13, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
I should have added in my post above- I still think gabby has much to offer us on his day, but I just don't see him as being crucial to our coming season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
Given the prices mentioned in the that article (about spurs) the only thing I could see as possible is a loan of one of: Townsend, Lennon, Chadli - not sure they'd accept a loan though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 13, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
Given the prices mentioned in the that article (about spurs) the only thing I could see as possible is a loan of one of: Townsend, Lennon, Chadli - not sure they'd accept a loan though.

I'd take Chadli or Holtby on loan from them, but I'd prefer Gnabry from Arsenal.  Someone like Sandro would be great in our midfield, but realistically Ki would be a good signing in there also. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
For where we are at the moment Gabby is more than useful to have around.

No loaners please, I think if Sanchez gets done we'll have enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 13, 2014, 01:03:04 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 13, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
Given the prices mentioned in the that article (about spurs) the only thing I could see as possible is a loan of one of: Townsend, Lennon, Chadli - not sure they'd accept a loan though.

I'd take Chadli or Holtby on loan from them, but I'd prefer Gnabry from Arsenal.  Someone like Sandro would be great in our midfield, but realistically Ki would be a good signing in there also. 

I'd be Happy with Holtby.  I'd be a bit dubious about Chadli.  Would he have the apitite to play for us?  Dembele would be perfect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 PM
Not sure on that, a quality attacking midfielder on loan would be great.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
I still reckon we might play a 3-5-2 at home and switch to the 4-3-3 away.  I could see a a 3-5-2 line up of:

                  Guzan

     Okore    Vlaar   Cissokho

Hutton  Sanchez  Delph   Richardson

               Cole / N'Zogbia

           Benteke    Gabby / Weimann


Whereas the 4-3-3 I can see as:

                     Guzan

Hutton    Okore        Vlaar     Cissokho

                     Sanchez
       El Ahmadi             Delph

Gabby             Benteke          Richardson


If (massive if) we can avoid injuries, then I think we only need a replacement for KEA (someone a bit like Delph - energetic and can get a few goals - Dembele would be ideal) and another wide option and we should be in better shape than we have been for a few seasons.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2014, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 01:03:16 PM
Not sure on that, a quality attacking midfielder on loan would be great.

Nah man, give Cole / NZog / Bacuna / Richardson a chance first. If they're all shit or injured come Jan, get one then for the remainder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andyaston on August 13, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
I still reckon we might play a 3-5-2 at home and switch to the 4-3-3 away.  I could see a a 3-5-2 line up of:

                  Guzan

     Okore    Vlaar   Cissokho

Hutton  Sanchez  Delph   Richardson

               Cole / N'Zogbia

           Benteke    Gabby / Weimann


Whereas the 4-3-3 I can see as:

                     Guzan

Hutton    Okore        Vlaar     Cissokho

                     Sanchez
       El Ahmadi             Delph

Gabby             Benteke          Richardson


If (massive if) we can avoid injuries, then I think we only need a replacement for KEA (someone a bit like Delph - energetic and can get a few goals - Dembele would be ideal) and another wide option and we should be in better shape than we have been for a few seasons.   
I like those formations. I think getting Dembele would be a big ask though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 13, 2014, 01:19:14 PM
I think we'll go:

                       Guzan

                Okore Vlaar Senderos

Hutton                                     Cissokho
                        Sanchez

              Delph              Richardson
                       
                  Bent    N/Zogbia   
           
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: andyaston on August 13, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
I still reckon we might play a 3-5-2 at home and switch to the 4-3-3 away.  I could see a a 3-5-2 line up of:

                  Guzan

     Okore    Vlaar   Cissokho

Hutton  Sanchez  Delph   Richardson

               Cole / N'Zogbia

           Benteke    Gabby / Weimann


Whereas the 4-3-3 I can see as:

                     Guzan

Hutton    Okore        Vlaar     Cissokho

                     Sanchez
       El Ahmadi             Delph

Gabby             Benteke          Richardson


If (massive if) we can avoid injuries, then I think we only need a replacement for KEA (someone a bit like Delph - energetic and can get a few goals - Dembele would be ideal) and another wide option and we should be in better shape than we have been for a few seasons.   
I like those formations. I think getting Dembele would be a big ask though.

I don't believe Senderos has come in to sit on the bench and be 4th choice centre back, if Cissokho can also play there we're over stocked and need to shift Clark and Baker on.  An attacking loanee would be useful and a Ki type in the middle nice also.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2014, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
I still reckon we might play a 3-5-2 at home and switch to the 4-3-3 away. 

I still don't understand why teams play differently away from home.

Play the formation that suits the team best. Why the feck does it matter where the game is being played ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Is Dembele that far beyond us?  His time at Spurs cannot really be classed as a success and before that he was at Fulham.

I'd suggest we sit quite comfortably between those two at the moment (unfortunately).  The fee in my opnion should be less than the £10m spurs paid and wages around the £40-50k I'd guess that they're paying him.  For the right player I'd hope that is sort of money is available.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 13, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
We need to use the loan market, but use it properly ensuring the players we bring in on loan are actually going to get playing time because they are better than what we have got already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Is Dembele that far beyond us?  His time at Spurs cannot really be classed as a success and before that he was at Fulham.

I'd suggest we sit quite comfortably between those two at the moment (unfortunately).  The fee in my opnion should be less than the £10m spurs paid and wages around the £40-50k I'd guess that they're paying him.  For the right player I'd hope that is sort of money is available.

We won't pay £50k a week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: hartman_1982 on August 13, 2014, 01:50:11 PM
What about bringing in Dembele on loan with a permanent fee agreed for next summer when (hopefully) we are swimming in cash. Surely something like that could be sanctioned? Especially when, given a run in the right side, I honestly believe Dembele could be worth £20m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Is Dembele that far beyond us?  His time at Spurs cannot really be classed as a success and before that he was at Fulham.

I'd suggest we sit quite comfortably between those two at the moment (unfortunately).  The fee in my opnion should be less than the £10m spurs paid and wages around the £40-50k I'd guess that they're paying him.  For the right player I'd hope that is sort of money is available.

We won't pay £50k a week.

What about for Vlaar and Delph, given Benteke's on c. £56k per week, they will want close to £50k per week to sign on again I'd imagine?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 02:57:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 13, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
I don't think we'll buy anybody from Spurs. Their players will all be on too higher wages for us to manage.
I wonder if anybody has any data about how they're wage bill compares to ours?

Oh, happy days.

Whatever became of the 'Dawg? He wasn't hounded out, was he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 13, 2014, 02:58:52 PM
He got some ruff treatment alright.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rougegorge on August 13, 2014, 03:13:16 PM
From 'Marca' at lunchtime today:

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/13/futbol/equipos/elche/1407926327.html (http://www.marca.com/2014/08/13/futbol/equipos/elche/1407926327.html)

According to this, Elche want Villa to pay for termination clause, else Elche have to pay half the fee to Sanchez's representatives.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2014, 03:33:15 PM
Chadli and Capoue on that list for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
Trent on VT says The Rock has rocked up this afternoon and expects a deal to conclude all being well tomorrow
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: rougegorge on August 13, 2014, 03:13:16 PM
From 'Marca' at lunchtime today:

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/13/futbol/equipos/elche/1407926327.html (http://www.marca.com/2014/08/13/futbol/equipos/elche/1407926327.html)

According to this, Elche want Villa to pay for termination clause, else Elche have to pay half the fee to Sanchez's representatives.



Most of the fan comments below the article are chastising him for not attending traininig for two days while the deal has yet to be resolved. If an agreement in principle has been reached by both clubs surely it's normal that he would fly to Brum to discuss terms. Maybe I'm missing something, my Spanish is a bit rusty.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?

Barney Rubble.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?

Benteke The Beast and Brycreem Joe Bennett.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 13, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?

Barney Rubble.

Have the opposition "S@!tting bricks"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?

Benteke The Beast and Brycreem Joe Bennett.

Blind Alley N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 13, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 13, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?

Benteke The Beast and Brycreem Joe Bennett.

Blind Alley N'Zogbia.

Slow hand  Senderos  &  Slick Aly Sissokho
                                                                      .................................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2014, 04:02:27 PM
Hardcore Hutton
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: nodge on August 13, 2014, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:44:48 PM
'Concrete Ron' and 'The Rock' Whoever next?

Barney Rubble.

Dennis Mortarmer
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2014, 04:05:10 PM
Andi Pie Man
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DB on August 13, 2014, 04:07:38 PM
Steve Stone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2014, 04:18:47 PM
Ready-Mix Richardson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: davisa on August 13, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
SSN reporting Sanchez will fly to England on sunday for his medical.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2014, 04:25:41 PM
Thought he was already here?


Okore - The Oak
Sandstone Senderos
Granite Guzan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 04:29:40 PM
I think the word is that he is already here with his reps and no deal is done yet but could be done as early as tomorrow.

Thats from Trent at VT fwiw, I find him to be pretty grounded when it comes to rumours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: davisa on August 13, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
SSN reporting Sanchez will fly to England on sunday for his medical.

That would make no sense at all and gives the chance for another club to gazump us!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 04:34:56 PM
Plastic Bertrand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2014, 04:39:16 PM
4-3-3
As last season;
Gk Guzan
Rb Hutton
Lb Cissokho
Cb Okore
Cb Vlaar
DCm Sanchez
Cm Delph
Cm Cole
Rw NZog
Lw Richardson
Cf Benteke

4-4-2
Same def
Cm Sanchez
Cm Delph
Rm Bacuna
Lm Richardson
Cf Benteke
Cf Kozak

5-3-2
Gk Guzan
Cb Vlaar
Cb Okore
Cb Cissokho
Rwb Bacuna
Lwb Richardson
Cm Sanchez
Cm Delphi
ACm Cole
Cf Benteke
Cf NZog
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 05:08:38 PM
Where's Jack?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 05:13:38 PM
Right any news on that medical?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Zimidy on August 13, 2014, 05:17:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 05:13:38 PM
Right any news on that medical?

It could be happening any time between right now and Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 13, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on August 13, 2014, 05:17:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 05:13:38 PM
Right any news on that medical?

It could be happening any time between right now and Sunday evening.


in your own time
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
As late as Sunday would be very odd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 06:25:23 PM
I reckon it'll be announced tonight. Based on absolutely nothing. I'd tweet it if I didn't spend all day answering tweets calling me a ****** because their train is 2 minutes late. Maybe I should tweet it from the company's account.

Update: Bad news: There are signalling problems at Birmingham New St causing delays. Good news: I reckon Sancgez will be annot this evening.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Nb: There aren't any actual signalling problems at New St.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 06:29:38 PM
Do you work in trains?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Maybe OTL could be our new trainer?

/i'llgetmecoat
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 13, 2014, 06:38:46 PM
He's got a great engine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Maybe OTL could be our new trainer?

/i'llgetmecoat
Even by your standard this is very bad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Maybe OTL could be our new trainer?

/i'llgetmecoat
Even by your standard this is very bad.

You love it Affers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 07:07:01 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 13, 2014, 06:38:46 PM
He's got a great engine.

He doesn't track back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 07:08:53 PM
I am smirking in a silly way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 07:10:47 PM
Bloody hell, you lot doing train puns now. Diesel make me cringe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Nb: There aren't any actual signalling problems at New St.
I take everything back. You are not a c***.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on August 13, 2014, 07:11:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2014, 07:07:01 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 13, 2014, 06:38:46 PM
He's got a great engine.

He doesn't track back.

I'm not sure. He's difficult to gauge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 07:11:36 PM
Don't worry, the punathon will soon run out of steam.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 13, 2014, 07:12:15 PM
OTL has been fast-tracked....to be a signal success  ::)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 07:12:49 PM
Anyway, do we need any more players now that we have the Flying Scotsman Alan Hutton?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 13, 2014, 07:13:13 PM
who steam is it anyway ??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 07:10:47 PM
Bloody hell, you lot doing train puns now. Diesel make me cringe.
No we are just keeping station and letting off steam as there is no traction at BMH whatsoever to keep track of and all lines of news are at buffers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 13, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 07:10:47 PM
Bloody hell, you lot doing train puns now. Diesel make me cringe.
No we are just keeping station and letting off steam as there is no traction at BMH whatsoever to keep track of and all lines of news are at buffers.

Looool.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: amfy on August 13, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 06:25:23 PM
I reckon it'll be announced tonight. Based on absolutely nothing. I'd tweet it if I didn't spend all day answering tweets calling me a c*** because their train is 2 minutes late. Maybe I should tweet it from the company's account.

Update: Bad news: There are signalling problems at Birmingham New St causing delays. Good news: I reckon Sancgez will be annot this evening.

Do you tweet for Londonmidland? We love Londonmidland twitter - very entertaining. I might start looking out for clues as to which one you are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes. I tell my 2 year old I drive Thomas the Tank Engine, he thinks I'm ace. If only he knew.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes. I tell my 2 year old I drive Thomas the Tank Engine, he thinks I'm ace. If only he knew.

You 'tweet' for a living? Man, this world is passing me by already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on August 13, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
I wanted to do a pun but its not my station.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2014, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes. I tell my 2 year old I drive Thomas the Tank Engine, he thinks I'm ace. If only he knew.

You 'tweet' for a living? Man, this world is passing me by already.

It's merely a small portion of my job. People call me names by email and telephone too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
We love you Onleythelonely. Fuck the rest of them. They're all loco.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2014, 08:28:22 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 13, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
I wanted to do a pun but its not my station.
Me too but just not in the same class...not quite the ticket...going off the rails...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
Elche reporting the Rock's a Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 08:31:51 PM
Can you smell what The Rock is cooking?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on August 13, 2014, 08:32:19 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes. I tell my 2 year old I drive Thomas the Tank Engine, he thinks I'm ace. If only he knew.
Clocks ticking, you better learn to drive a steam train before he rumbles you. If all else fails photoshop yourself on to Thomas the Tank Engine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 13, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
Funny  8)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2014, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
Elche reporting the Rock's a Villa player.

Where?   Not on their site. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 08:49:06 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on August 13, 2014, 08:32:19 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes. I tell my 2 year old I drive Thomas the Tank Engine, he thinks I'm ace. If only he knew.
Clocks ticking, you better learn to drive a steam train before he rumbles you. If all else fails photoshop yourself on to Thomas the Tank Engine.

I reckon I've still got a few years yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 13, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Both of my sons would be chuffed if I drove Thomas the Tank Engine.   In fact they would be chuff chuffed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes. I tell my 2 year old I drive Thomas the Tank Engine, he thinks I'm ace. If only he knew.

Best to avoid breaking his dreams. When he gets older you need to use a bigger lie to distract him.

Tell him you are a secret agent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
Elche president was apparently on Spanish radio saying the Rock was ours. Unsubstantiated at the minute.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.

Did you tweet back?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2014, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
Elche president was apparently on Spanish radio saying the Rock was ours. Unsubstantiated at the minute.

And then they continued playing julio
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Olneys son should be proud of his pa for warding off that rat on New Street that solemn day. That's a lot more impressive than driving Tommy Tank.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2014, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
Elche president was apparently on Spanish radio saying the Rock was ours. Unsubstantiated at the minute.

Finally a Spaniard with sense. Gibraltar Rock, always British.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 13, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Olneys son should be proud of his pa for warding off that rat on New Street that solemn day. That's a lot more impressive than driving Tommy Tank.

He will never hear thar story. Ever.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.

Did you tweet back?

I did. Can't remember what I said though. Something incredibly witty I'm sure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.

Did you tweet back?

I did. Can't remember what I said though. Something incredibly witty I'm sure.

Do you not get in trouble for having a go back? I'd have said I got aids of your mum
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 13, 2014, 09:38:54 PM
On Wikipedia it says his club is QPR??? Just looked at the Elche current squad on there and now lists him as a QPR player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2014, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.

Did you tweet back?

I did. Can't remember what I said though. Something incredibly witty I'm sure.

Do you not get in trouble for having a go back? I'd have said I got aids of your mum
Do you work for the Diplomatic Service by any chance Phil?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 13, 2014, 09:41:16 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 13, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Both of my sons would be chuffed if I drove Thomas the Tank Engine.   In fact they would be chuff chuffed.

I liked it even if nobody else did.

Are you here all week Brian?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2014, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.

Did you tweet back?

I did. Can't remember what I said though. Something incredibly witty I'm sure.

Do you not get in trouble for having a go back? I'd have said I got aids of your mum
Do you work for the Diplomatic Service by any chance Phil?

Wouldn't have me, too straight talking
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: German James on August 13, 2014, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on August 13, 2014, 09:38:54 PM
On Wikipedia it says his club is QPR??? Just looked at the Elche current squad on there and now lists him as a QPR player?

It also says he thinks QPR are "a load [of] soggy mouthed C#%ts!!!" and that "Qpr are a small club!!!" So that sounds more positive!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:52:36 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 13, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
I do yeah. I once had someone tell me that they wished I had aids. They were delayed by 4 minutes.

Brilliant.

Did you tweet back?

I did. Can't remember what I said though. Something incredibly witty I'm sure.

Do you not get in trouble for having a go back? I'd have said I got aids of your mum

I would do if I'd have said that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2014, 10:02:03 PM
Carlos Alberto Sįnchez Moreno (born 6 February 1986[1]) is a Colombian professional footballer who plays for QPR as a defensive midfielder. He is nicknamed La Big Dick, which means The Big Dick, due to his solidity in the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
someone on VT reckons the deal has stalled and no medical imminent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
Why no news from Mat Kendrick or Pete Colley?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
Why no news from Mat Kendrick or Pete Colley?

Mat don't do Villa no more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
Why no news from Mat Kendrick or Pete Colley?

Mat don't do Villa no more.

How come?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on August 13, 2014, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
Why no news from Mat Kendrick or Pete Colley?

Mat don't do Villa no more.

How come?

Promoted to cover all local teams. Baby faced Gregg Evans is now the Villa link, despite basing his appearance on a cocky young bank cashier or car showroom salesman.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Cheers, I'd rather mat do it as he's a fan as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2014, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on August 13, 2014, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
Why no news from Mat Kendrick or Pete Colley?

Mat don't do Villa no more.

How come?

Promoted to cover all local teams. Baby faced Gregg Evans is now the Villa link, despite basing his appearance on a cocky young bank cashier or car showroom salesman.

That's exactly what I thought. It made me feel old!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Cheers, I'd rather mat do it as he's a fan as well

I think that's part of the problem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2014, 10:26:46 PM
Ah, either way I don't think dirty Sanchez is stalling, based on absolutely nothing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 10:28:02 PM
Shame, Kendrick is one of us. Still probably good for the Mail and the club to have some distance between him and Lambert
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2014, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2014, 10:28:02 PM
Shame, Kendrick is one of us. Still probably good for the Mail and the club to have some distance between him and Lambert

I bet he's glad he got to rip into Lambert before he changed jobs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: not3bad on August 13, 2014, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 08:31:51 PM
Can you smell what The Rock is cooking?

A feast of football!!

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2014, 10:29:48 PM
Anyway, I've met Gregg Evans and told him the score. Never mind all that free and fearless reporting nonsense, his first priority is to make sure we always know who's going to be the new manager in time to get a decent bet on. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andyh on August 13, 2014, 10:30:19 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 13, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
someone on VT reckons the deal has stalled and no medical imminent
Someone else on VT says medical completed and signing should be completed in the morning!

Basically, we all know bugger all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sc00by555 on August 13, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
That Daily Mirror reckons Villa are first in the queue for Serge Gnabry in a loan deal...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenals-serge-gnabry-transfer-target-4046871?

Quote
Aston Villa have joined the list of clubs wanting to take Arsenal prospect Serge Gnabry on loan.

The Villans' boss Paul Lambert is keen, along with Southampton, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Sunderland to sign the Gunners' 19-year-old wide-man.

Arsenal are keen to send Gnabry out to a Premier League club to help his development as they see him very much in part of their long-term plans.

Gnabry has been reluctant to leave the Emirates, despite the fierce competition for places in wide areas in Arsene Wenger's squad this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 13, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
Mirror linking us with interest in taking Gnabry from Arsenal on loan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 11:18:30 PM
Does anyone know if The Mirror is linking us with Gnabry?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 11:21:44 PM
Apparently, someone called Trent on VT reckons the medical was this evening and he'll sign in the morning.

Sanchez, that is.

Not Gnabry. Surprised we haven't been linked with him in the media.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2014, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 13, 2014, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
I still reckon we might play a 3-5-2 at home and switch to the 4-3-3 away. 

I still don't understand why teams play differently away from home.

Play the formation that suits the team best. Why the feck does it matter where the game is being played ?

Have to disagree slightly, as the dynamics of playing at home are different.  The 4-3-3 has worked OK away from home for Lambert, as the home team tend to push on leaving space in which we can counter attack.  This is not the case at home (except for maybe against the top sides which would explain wins against the likes of Chelsea and Man City) and we have really struggled to break sides down at home during Lambert's time at the club.  That's why I think we should keep the 4-3-3 away from home, but look to change the formation for home games. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 14, 2014, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 11:21:44 PM
Apparently, someone called Trent on VT reckons the medical was this evening and he'll sign in the morning.

Sanchez, that is.

Not Gnabry. Surprised we haven't been linked with him in the media.

I heard that one of the papers had us linked with him, a big one.

Can i just ask those involved in the punathons on this site ... Is it an old person thing? Is this what I've got to look forward to in a few decades? I'm just guessing you're all old. No offence. Take offence, you won't catch me on your zimmers you old bastards! 😝
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2014, 12:36:48 AM
Away from puns, Gnabry would be an excellent loan. Looked really good when I have seen him, and would give us pace alternative to Gabby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: E I Adio on August 14, 2014, 12:39:57 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 14, 2014, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 11:21:44 PM
Apparently, someone called Trent on VT reckons the medical was this evening and he'll sign in the morning.

Sanchez, that is.

Not Gnabry. Surprised we haven't been linked with him in the media.

I heard that one of the papers had us linked with him, a big one.

Can i just ask those involved in the punathons on this site ... Is it an old person thing? Is this what I've got to look forward to in a few decades? I'm just guessing you're all old. No offence. Take offence, you won't catch me on your zimmers you old bastards! 😝

You should be careful who you insult. Some of us have motorised zimmers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Havencheese on August 14, 2014, 04:01:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2014, 12:36:48 AM
Away from puns, Gnabry would be an excellent loan. Looked really good when I have seen him, and would give us pace alternative to Gabby.

Stopping at the Villa could prove to be a nice branch line in his career, where he'll be able to express himself somewhat more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on August 14, 2014, 05:04:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 11:21:44 PM
Apparently, someone called Trent on VT reckons the medical was this evening and he'll sign in the morning.

Sanchez, that is.

Not Gnabry. Surprised we haven't been linked with him in the media.

TrentVilla is often bang on for good info. I trust this will all get wrapped up soon. Third party ownership is absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 14, 2014, 06:18:36 AM
Buns? Who has got these buns? I like a nice bit of currant bun, when I can find my teeth.  Like the idea of Gnabry. His name is an anagram of Bryan G. However I hear he has expressed a preference for the Orient.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 14, 2014, 06:49:31 AM
Quote from: sc00by555 on August 13, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
That Daily Mirror reckons Villa are first in the queue for Serge Gnabry in a loan deal...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenals-serge-gnabry-transfer-target-4046871?

Quote
Aston Villa have joined the list of clubs wanting to take Arsenal prospect Serge Gnabry on loan.

The Villans' boss Paul Lambert is keen, along with Southampton, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Sunderland to sign the Gunners' 19-year-old wide-man.

Arsenal are keen to send Gnabry out to a Premier League club to help his development as they see him very much in part of their long-term plans.

Gnabry has been reluctant to leave the Emirates, despite the fierce competition for places in wide areas in Arsene Wenger's squad this season.

It doesn't actually say we're first in the queue, merely we've joined it, we could be right at the back.  Would love to get him in though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
I reckon this Sanchez fella will sign today, for no other reason other than it's a Thursday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2014, 08:41:11 AM
Sanchez and Gnabry would hopefully massively improve our squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 14, 2014, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
I reckon this Sanchez fella will sign today, for no other reason other than it's a Thursday.

Can't argue with logic like that
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 14, 2014, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
I reckon this Sanchez fella will sign today, for no other reason other than it's a Thursday.

Can't argue with logic like that

If i'm proved right, i expect to be known as 'The Clamps'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 14, 2014, 08:57:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2014, 12:36:48 AM
Away from puns, Gnabry would be an excellent loan. Looked really good when I have seen him, and would give us pace alternative to Gabby.

He could be just the ticket!  We could bring him on when others are running out of steam. It could signal the start of a new era, with Sanchez being the midfield engine. Hope they get a move on before the train leaves the station.

Don't bother with posh french restaurants - take him to the Wheeltappers and Shunters club
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 14, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
Surely the Sanchez deal will be announced at 230pm to sync with the opening bell on Wall St ? (930am NYC)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 14, 2014, 09:12:41 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 14, 2014, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
I reckon this Sanchez fella will sign today, for no other reason other than it's a Thursday.

Can't argue with logic like that

If i'm proved right, i expect to be known as 'The Clamps'.

The Ads commands that you, my devoted people, cast down this idolitor!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 14, 2014, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 14, 2014, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 08:35:40 AM
I reckon this Sanchez fella will sign today, for no other reason other than it's a Thursday.

Can't argue with logic like that

If i'm proved right, i expect to be known as 'The Clamps'.

I came home from Benidorm with The Clamps in 1983
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BubbleGum_McClure on August 14, 2014, 10:01:35 AM
A lot of euphoria surrounding this apparent signing but is he any good or will we have another KEA/Sylla on our hands?

Not trying to be a killjoy but it does normally take 3 or 4 purchases before Lambert gets a problematic situation sorted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 10:15:14 AM
Gnabry would be a good option, as he's still under 21. If Sanchez does sign he'd be our 27th player (excluding under 21s). Therefore, if we are looking to bring anyone else in we're going to need to move a couple out first. I'd imagine that Enda Stevens and Herd would be the most vulnerable.

Not sure I'd be too comfortable with letting the likes of Bennett and Lowton go, as it doesn't leave us with a great deal of cover at full-back if we do. Plus, Bennett can fill-in at left-mid and Lowton at centre-half (especially in a back 3) which makes them useful squad players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 14, 2014, 10:25:56 AM
Gnabry would be a very good option. It would save Weimann or Gabby playing wide. Or playing at all. :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 14, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Gnarby sounds like a name you'd say when you have a mouth full (oooh er) of food.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 14, 2014, 10:32:53 AM
Gnaar Gnaar?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 14, 2014, 10:36:46 AM
Quote from: E I Adio on August 14, 2014, 12:39:57 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 14, 2014, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 11:21:44 PM
Apparently, someone called Trent on VT reckons the medical was this evening and he'll sign in the morning.

Sanchez, that is.

Not Gnabry. Surprised we haven't been linked with him in the media.

I heard that one of the papers had us linked with him, a big one.

Can i just ask those involved in the punathons on this site ... Is it an old person thing? Is this what I've got to look forward to in a few decades? I'm just guessing you're all old. No offence. Take offence, you won't catch me on your zimmers you old bastards! 😝

You should be careful who you insult. Some of us have motorised zimmers.

Give it a few years and you'll be hovering around like Daleks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
There is only one The and we all believe in the holy deity of a single The who has no equals and shall not have equals in H&V.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
Pete Colley's tweeted that there's a Press Conference at 2pm. Doesn't say that it's to announce Sanchez though. Doesn't seem to know what it's for to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
Pete Colley's tweeted that there's a Press Conference at 2pm. Doesn't say that it's to announce Sanchez though. Doesn't seem to know what it's for to be honest.

Is'nt there a manager's press conference a couple of days before a game anyway? Besides, there's never normally a press conference for a player as such, it's just him pulling the shirt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 14, 2014, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
Pete Colley's tweeted that there's a Press Conference at 2pm. Doesn't say that it's to announce Sanchez though. Doesn't seem to know what it's for to be honest.
Hmmm. Synced with wall St. Must be takeover announcement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
Pete Colley's tweeted that there's a Press Conference at 2pm. Doesn't say that it's to announce Sanchez though. Doesn't seem to know what it's for to be honest.

Is'nt there a manager's press conference a couple of days before a game anyway? Besides, there's never normally a press conference for a player as such, it's just him pulling the shirt.

Yeah, maybe. Although, I'd wondered if we'd revert to the MON-days of holding a press conference to announce a signing, given that there's been so much fervour (at least on Social media and Forums) about this one.

The hopeful in me had also wondered if it might be for the dual purpose of announcing Vlaar's new contract...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
Pete Colley's tweeted that there's a Press Conference at 2pm. Doesn't say that it's to announce Sanchez though. Doesn't seem to know what it's for to be honest.

Is'nt there a manager's press conference a couple of days before a game anyway? Besides, there's never normally a press conference for a player as such, it's just him pulling the shirt.

Yeah, maybe. Although, I'd wondered if we'd revert to the MON-days of holding a press conference to announce a signing, given that there's been so much fervour (at least on Social media and Forums) about this one.

The hopeful in me had also wondered if it might be for the dual purpose of announcing Vlaar's new contract...

Funny you should say that. My cousin text me a day or two ago and said that he'd heard that Vlaar was going to sign a new deal. Where he heard it i don't know. You never know i suppose.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
There's been a few 'ITKs' mentioning the same on Twitter. Although, I think it was probably that IncogAVFC chancer who started it off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2014, 11:33:39 AM
Oh I hope that's the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 14, 2014, 12:05:26 PM
The Rock or Concrete?  Sounds like a pudding choice round at my Nan's
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Bernie on August 14, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
There is only one The and we all believe in the holy deity of a single The who has no equals and shall not have equals in H&V.
Amen
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 14, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
How do you start a pudding race?

Sago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 14, 2014, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 14, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
How do you start a pudding race?


Get two Haggises to mate.



With apologies to Robbie Burns.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rougegorge on August 14, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
The Rock is already a Villain

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html (http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html)

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2014, 01:05:31 PM
There's a regular pre-match conference today although I assume signings will be discussed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 14, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: rougegorge on August 14, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
The Rock is already a Villain

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html (http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html)


'La Roca' ya es 'Villano'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 14, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2014, 01:05:31 PM
There's a regular pre-match conference today although I assume signings will be discussed.

I was hoping for 3 new signings and the sale of the club , too much ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2014, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: rougegorge on August 14, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
The Rock is already a Villain

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html (http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html)



Love some of the comments underneath, especially this one.

02
Rock gentlemen left us. It was nice while it lasted but passed away. He went to the almighty to Aston Villa to stay nothing more and nothing less since 15-3 points down, a whole feat. In his memory will those controls that seemed to rock they called him because he bounced the balloon when VAT control it. His goals also remain in memory, but in other reports because here not one. Also stay their goal assists and zero projection in attack but nice. Your vacuum is great, certainly not more stones come to Elche and sign players noa touch a shame. Now the void left is great because there are no more rocks ... we sign someone touched him apoden trunk .. or the wall .... more than difficult task. Life continues playing now signing 2 players with the money that left little but it's probably enough to bring someone who is not as hard as a rock, but perhaps more technical quella.


Leer mįs: The Elche up the rear of the Aston Villa Carlos Sanchez - MARCA.com
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on August 14, 2014, 01:13:24 PM
Yes, up all of our rears!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2014, 01:15:39 PM
Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 14, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 14, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: rougegorge on August 14, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
The Rock is already a Villain

http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html (http://www.marca.com/2014/08/14/futbol/equipos/elche/1408007433.html)


'La Roca' ya es 'Villano'.

A very quick and literal translation of the Article on the Elcxhe website : ...............Godzvilla!

Carlos Sįnchez will not dress again for Elche  .The football player, who signed last year for the Elche proceeding from the Valenciennes, has decided again for a change of air . After his first period in the First Spanish division and his good role in the World cup, he will happen to be a player of Aston Villa.
.
On Wednesday there were stopped solving the problems that they had to see with his transfer, since the share-out of the operation had to be rationed between the club, representatives and holders of the federative rights of the player, and that has done that the operation is ralentizado.
 The Colombian midfielder will happen to receive from  Aston Villa the double of 600.000 euros that he was taking per year at Elche. The club  tried to support the player offering him a million euros for period, but his representative considered it to be insufficient. This way, there are fulfilled the expectations that the sports from Elche direction had, that knew that after the World cup of Brazil the Colombian would receive offers and it was very probable that he was finding string-pulling in another club .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 14, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2014, 01:15:39 PM
Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?

ITSOTP
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 14, 2014, 01:20:44 PM
K,

AS IN WHAT?

Up our rears, not likely missus
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 14, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
So roughly 20 grand a week in wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 14, 2014, 01:22:22 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 14, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2014, 01:05:31 PM
There's a regular pre-match conference today although I assume signings will be discussed.

I was hoping for 3 new signings and the sale of the club , too much ?

I was hoping for new multi-billionaire owners, some new signings and Delph and Vlaar to have signed contract extensions.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2014, 01:52:50 PM
Elche should have known they would have found string-pulling in another club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 14, 2014, 02:01:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 14, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2014, 01:05:31 PM
There's a regular pre-match conference today although I assume signings will be discussed.

I was hoping for 3 new signings and the sale of the club , too much ?

At least 3 things too many!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 14, 2014, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on August 14, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2014, 01:15:39 PM
Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?

ITSOTP

It's ABHSTS these days isn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 15, 2014, 04:50:25 PM
Wrong thread
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2014, 09:42:03 PM
Sky are reporting that Stoke are close to signing Victor Moses on loan, so looks like we can rule that one out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2014, 09:43:33 PM
At least he can't play us tomorrow!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 15, 2014, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2014, 09:42:03 PM
Sky are reporting that Stoke are close to signing Victor Moses on loan, so looks like we can rule that one out.
Phew. We've dodged a bullett there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
I think we should go for Javier Hernandez from Manchester United on season loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 15, 2014, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
I think we should go for Javier Hernandez from Manchester United on season loan.

Can't see that one happening to be honest.  Rumours are that Welbeck might be surplus to plans, but again a pretty unlikely target.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 15, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 15, 2014, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
I think we should go for Javier Hernandez from Manchester United on season loan.

Can't see that one happening to be honest.  Rumours are that Welbeck might be surplus to plans, but again a pretty unlikely target.

He'll have better offers with bigger wages, great player though he's everything that Gabby isn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 15, 2014, 11:57:32 PM
We shouldn't be looking for a player that is "everything gabby isn't". We need an "everything gabby is but better" type of player.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 16, 2014, 06:58:37 AM
I reckon it will be a wide man rather than another central forward. Nice to know that we are still looking for more.  I really hope Carlos is the player we think he is and does really well for us. Defensive midfielder been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on August 16, 2014, 07:14:08 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 15, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 15, 2014, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
I think we should go for Javier Hernandez from Manchester United on season loan.

Can't see that one happening to be honest.  Rumours are that Welbeck might be surplus to plans, but again a pretty unlikely target.

He'll have better offers with bigger wages, great player though he's everything that Gabby isn't.
Looking at his (Welbeck's) stats, I think I'd much rather have Gabby.  I think you're allowing the media to influence your judgement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 16, 2014, 07:18:57 AM
Good shout Billy. The fact that Woy picks him for England when he can't get in his club side is also a mystery.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 16, 2014, 08:22:44 AM
Welbeck is a funny player and lack of goals obviously a massive issue

But he does have a good touch, movement and game intelligence

Gabby doesn't. There's just no way he's an international footballer. He's been good for villa though and I haven't given up on him yet
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 16, 2014, 08:29:52 AM
I totally fail to see what's great about Welbeck?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: thick_mike on August 16, 2014, 08:30:09 AM
Gabby has two real qualities as a footballer...

1) he can run fast
2) he can score goals in important matches

If he loses 1) he loses 2)

He is a bit like Tony Daley in that respect...once the extraordinary pace goes, you are left with the footballing brain and neither Tony or Gabby have one of those.

That's why Jan Molby could be a fat b*stard and still boss the midfield for Liverpool
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 16, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
If Gabby played for Man Utd I'd bet he'd be regularly called up for England.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 16, 2014, 08:44:32 AM
If my aunt had etc and so forth.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 16, 2014, 09:08:03 AM
Gabby is also quite good at holding the ball up now. It's a shame he rarely knows what to do next though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 16, 2014, 09:16:09 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 16, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
If Gabby played for Man Utd I'd bet he'd be regularly called up for England.

He wouldn't play regularly for man united

I buy that argument with Ashley young. He was better for villa and didn't get in the England squad for ages. Cleverly would never get in if he's at a smaller club

But gabby just doesn't have the quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 16, 2014, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: Billy Walker on August 16, 2014, 07:14:08 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 15, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 15, 2014, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
I think we should go for Javier Hernandez from Manchester United on season loan.

Can't see that one happening to be honest.  Rumours are that Welbeck might be surplus to plans, but again a pretty unlikely target.

He'll have better offers with bigger wages, great player though he's everything that Gabby isn't.
Looking at his (Welbeck's) stats, I think I'd much rather have Gabby.  I think you're allowing the media to influence your judgement.

I was presuming/hoping he was referring to Hernandez rather than Welbeck. I'm still baffled by the mentioning of players like Hernandez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on August 16, 2014, 11:38:57 AM
I'd rather have Hernandez than Welbeck, that's for certain!  I think a frontline of Benteke and Hernandez would be very effective, too - as good as any in the league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 16, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on August 16, 2014, 11:38:57 AM
I'd rather have Hernandez than Welbeck, that's for certain!  I think a frontline of Benteke and Hernandez would be very effective, too - as good as any in the league.
Absolutely top notch. You slap Hernandez in a side regularly. 30+ games a season and he'll get 15-20 goals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: myf on August 16, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
Lambert intimated 1 or 2 more to come in on WM interview
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2014, 07:32:24 PM
Quote from: myf on August 16, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
Lambert intimated 1 or 2 more to come in on WM interview

That's encouraging.  A wide player is required if we are going to play a 4-3-3 and I still think we could do with that extra bit of quality in central midfield. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: myf on August 16, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
Lambert intimated 1 or 2 more to come in on WM interview

Good.

If they are in the creative department, they could make a difference. I know it's too early to announce summer on the basis of the spotting of one swallow, but we looked absolutely solid defensively today, weirdly so, but lacked that creativity to make things happen up front.

It'd be brilliant to get that added.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 16, 2014, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: myf on August 16, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
Lambert intimated 1 or 2 more to come in on WM interview

He did with Jack as well. Must be confident. Thats good. very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2014, 08:33:44 PM
If 2 more came in the quality of Richardson, cissokho and Sanchez it would have been an incredible example of spending bugger all while improving nearly all areas on the pitch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2014, 10:24:31 PM
In fairness I can criticise Lambert for many things but I've always been surprised at the flak he gets on here and elsewhere for his transfer dealings from the likes of SH and the usual suspects.

Yes he's signed some duds but that's what happens when you shop in the bargain basement, having to take punts on players who may find the premier league a step too far as we've seen with a few of last years' recruits.

There was no excuse for MON with his lavish transfer funds signing so many average british players for big money and big wages that took years for us to shift but that's been done to death.

Even though I wasn't sold on some of this years deals, the good thing most of them have is big match mentality. Likes of Senderos and when he returns Joe Cole have played in so many champions league and world cup games Stoke away isn't really going to faze them and there was a real resilence in our game today so good to see a bit more maturity in our first 11 at long last.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 16, 2014, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 16, 2014, 08:44:32 AM
If my aunt had etc and so forth.
If your aunt was Kellie Maloney then......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 16, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
Read rumours of Scott Sinclair on Twitter tonight. No thanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 16, 2014, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 16, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
Read rumours of Scott Sinclair on Twitter tonight. No thanks.
If it also brings Helen Flanagan to Villa Park...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 16, 2014, 11:13:19 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 16, 2014, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 16, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
Read rumours of Scott Sinclair on Twitter tonight. No thanks.
If it also brings Helen Flanagan to Villa Park...

Then double no thanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 16, 2014, 11:14:56 PM
We need a centre forward more than anything else
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 16, 2014, 11:26:12 PM
I don't think it's possible to get a centre forward good enough, who's willing to be 3rd choice in a months time.

An creative midfielder should be what we're targeting in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2014, 11:26:36 PM
Would rather keep playing N'zogbia than sign Sinclair, that's how little I rate him.

Could also mean Grealish getting less action which is another negative.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 16, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2014, 11:26:36 PM
Would rather keep playing N'zogbia than sign Sinclair, that's how little I rate him.

Could also mean Grealish getting less action which is another negative.

Agree with this.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2014, 12:21:11 AM
Apparently The Sun are saying El Ahmadi wants to go back to Holland, homesick
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2014, 12:26:48 AM
Yeah I think he could move for a small fee if we get another midfielder in, we'd be well stocked in that area.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 17, 2014, 12:35:46 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2014, 12:26:48 AM
Yeah I think he could move for a small fee if we get another midfielder in, we'd be well stocked in that area.

I'd let him go but I wouldn't get a replacement in this window.  We need to let Gardner have some game time, he signed a new 1 year deal, there's no point in that if he doesn't play, we've got Delph, Westwood, Sanchez, Richardson and Cole already, I'm ok with Gardner being the 6th option for the next 4 months and then see how things are in Jan.

The only position I think is worth looking at now is a wide forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 17, 2014, 01:14:25 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 17, 2014, 12:35:46 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2014, 12:26:48 AM
Yeah I think he could move for a small fee if we get another midfielder in, we'd be well stocked in that area.

I'd let him go but I wouldn't get a replacement in this window.  We need to let Gardner have some game time, he signed a new 1 year deal, there's no point in that if he doesn't play, we've got Delph, Westwood, Sanchez, Richardson and Cole already, I'm ok with Gardner being the 6th option for the next 4 months and then see how things are in Jan.

The only position I think is worth looking at now is a wide forward.

Cole isn't really a central midfielder, which leaves us three starters, one sub and Gardner.  If KEA leaves I think we will need to replace him, as that would leave us a bit short. 

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 17, 2014, 02:54:12 AM
I'd have liked Holtby. Though isn't he back in contention?
If I'm living in fantasy world, Dembele please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 17, 2014, 07:07:54 AM
Quote from: Gareth on August 17, 2014, 12:21:11 AM
Apparently The Sun are saying El Ahmadi wants to go back to Holland, homesick
I'd happily drive him back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2014, 07:30:01 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 16, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
Read rumours of Scott Sinclair on Twitter tonight. No thanks.

To be fair, Sinclair was excellent at Swansea. Then he went to moneybags Man City and sat on the bench. They've fucked-up a lot careers of promising players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 17, 2014, 07:42:36 AM
KEA has been a disappointment. A nothing player. Not really creative, not a goal scorer, doesn't get stuck in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 17, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
With hindsight id rather have kept Holman and not bothered with KEA.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2014, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Malandro on August 17, 2014, 07:42:36 AM
KEA has been a disappointment. A nothing player. Not really creative, not a goal scorer, doesn't get stuck in.


Agree, a poor midfielder. Time to move him on - he can take Baker with him...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: myf on August 17, 2014, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: Malandro on August 17, 2014, 07:42:36 AM
KEA has been a disappointment. A nothing player. Not really creative, not a goal scorer, doesn't get stuck in.


He does get stuck in just not good enough defensively or attacking for this level
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2014, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 17, 2014, 07:07:54 AM
Quote from: Gareth on August 17, 2014, 12:21:11 AM
Apparently The Sun are saying El Ahmadi wants to go back to Holland, homesick
I'd happily drive him back.

Are you James Bond?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2014, 08:53:10 AM
A busy player but just not good enough. Be great to bring in another player above his quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2014, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 16, 2014, 11:14:56 PM
We need a centre forward more than anything else
However with two waiting to come back  at best it will have to be a top quality loan and I can not think of anyone out there?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
Can't Keano call on a favour from his Old Trafford contacts? Like Hernandez on-loan? Here's a conundrum: would you swap Vlaar for Hernandez if Van Gaal comes calling?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnny from donny on August 17, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
No
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on August 17, 2014, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 17, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
Can't Keano call on a favour from his Old Trafford contacts? Like Hernandez on-loan? Here's a conundrum: would you swap Vlaar for Hernandez if Van Gaal comes calling?

Not a straight swap, no.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr woo on August 17, 2014, 11:22:51 AM
IF we could shift Bent on for a nominal fee, bearing in mind he is one of the top earners, I wonder if there'd be sufficient funds to take a punt on someone like Loic Remy?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2014, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 17, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
Can't Keano call on a favour from his Old Trafford contacts? Like Hernandez on-loan? Here's a conundrum: would you swap Vlaar for Hernandez if Van Gaal comes calling?

Not with Bent there and Benteke and Kozak to come back, no i wouldn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chipsticks on August 17, 2014, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 17, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
Can't Keano call on a favour from his Old Trafford contacts? Like Hernandez on-loan? Here's a conundrum: would you swap Vlaar for Hernandez if Van Gaal comes calling?

God no, I personally don't buy into the myth that we need more strikers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 17, 2014, 11:51:47 AM
the singlemost important signing for me now is Vlaar on a 4'year deal.He's our captain and a great leader on and off the pitch,the message to the rest of our team and the rest of the football world would mean that we have turned a corner,the opposite appliesif we sell him.If week sign one more ,and Lambert has said he wants one more,it has to be a creative player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 17, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
 I would yes.Hernandez is top top quality and 25, Vlaar is 29.No brainer for me.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
No for me, we need Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Havencheese on August 17, 2014, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on August 17, 2014, 11:51:47 AM
the singlemost important signing for me now is Vlaar on a 4'year deal.He's our captain and a great leader on and off the pitch,the message to the rest of our team and the rest of the football world would mean that we have turned a corner,the opposite appliesif we sell him.If week sign one more ,and Lambert has said he wants one more,it has to be a creative player.

Yes.

Add to that the fact that the guys actually look like a unit, a bunch of blokes who look like they enjoy playing together. Richardson, Hutton, Senderos they all looked the part in those celebrations and they've only been together a matter of months or weeks even. Re-sign Concrete Ron for the sake of this new found unity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 17, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 17, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
I would yes.Hernandez is top top quality and 25, Vlaar is 29.No brainer for me.

This. Not much point in discussing this though.

Shit i am.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2014, 12:33:07 PM
I'd much sooner we kept things tight at the back and worked ways to score goals with what we have then sell our captain.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 17, 2014, 12:36:24 PM
Before yesterday I was open to selling Vlaar for big money however after watching how well him and Swiss Phil worked together there's no way I'd let him go. Quite the opposite in fact...give him a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 17, 2014, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
No for me, we need Vlaar.

This. We need him far more than an other striker.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 17, 2014, 12:44:32 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 17, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
I would yes.Hernandez is top top quality and 25, Vlaar is 29.No brainer for me.



If he was 'top quality' why would he be available to a team who have struggled for 3 years?

As it happens, I think he's a decent enough player but not I doubt we figure in his reckoning and he doesn't play in a position that is a particular priority for us. Add in the wages he will be looking for and it is a total non-starter in my view.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: martyn ellis on August 17, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
The more I hear Van Gaal bemoaning the quality of some of his players the more I am convinced he'll come calling for Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2014, 01:15:22 PM
Unlikely (http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9426151/Mehdi-Benatia)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Billy Walker on August 17, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: martyn ellis on August 17, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
The more I hear Van Gaal bemoaning the quality of some of his players the more I am convinced he'll come calling for Vlaar.

He can come calling but I'd venture he'd have to offer silly money for Lambert to consider letting Ron go.  I'd be surprised if that happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 17, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
No for me, we need Vlaar.

And we look like we've finally got a solid defence (early days I know) so we don't want to sell one of the better ones and start again.
Let's keep him. Our Premier League status is far more important than a few million in transfer profit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I can understand him going to a top club, but  Southampton, do me a favour. Things finally look as if they may be changing at the club and credit to lambert for the signings so far. Senderos and Richardson showed enough yesterday to show that a lot of us (me included) were wrong to write them off
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I can understand him going to a top club, but  Southampton, do me a favour. Things finally look as if they may be changing at the club and credit to lambert for the signings so far. Senderos and Richardson showed enough yesterday to show that a lot of us (me included) were wrong to write them off

One match doesn't count for much but there seemed a sense of solidity there yesterday that we didn't have even at Arsenal twelve month ago. I don't want to tempt fate, but while I can't see us getting the three or four freak results we had last season I can't see us getting turned over so regularly by teams that end up relegated or losing so many late goals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 17, 2014, 02:23:55 PM
Could do with nzogbia feeling homesick for Wigan.

Probably should allow for his injury but don't think you could say 20% of his games have been decent

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 17, 2014, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I can understand him going to a top club, but  Southampton, do me a favour. Things finally look as if they may be changing at the club and credit to lambert for the signings so far. Senderos and Richardson showed enough yesterday to show that a lot of us (me included) were wrong to write them off

One match doesn't count for much but there seemed a sense of solidity there yesterday that we didn't have even at Arsenal twelve month ago. I don't want to tempt fate, but while I can't see us getting the three or four freak results we had last season I can't see us getting turned over so regularly by teams that end up relegated or losing so many late goals.

Agreed, last season when the board went up for 5 minutes it would have been ten men camped on the edge of our own area but yesterday we continued to play properly. As you say it is just one game but there were a number of encouraging signs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Firstly, what's so good about Hernandez? Man.Utd at their peak would create chance after chance, Gabby would get 20 goals a season if he played for them. Hernandez isn't anything.

Creating cleaner cut opportunities is more my problem.

You sell Vlaar and you go backwards again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 17, 2014, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 17, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
I would yes.Hernandez is top top quality and 25, Vlaar is 29.No brainer for me.

Is he really?

I disagree, he strikes me a bit like Bent, if he gets the service he will score, but if not hes a passenger.

Fergie was never totally convinced and was more of an impact sub

Mistake to sign him in my view

United did look woeful though and when you look at their squad is really is poor
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 17, 2014, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 17, 2014, 12:21:11 AM
Apparently The Sun are saying El Ahmadi wants to go back to Holland, homesick

Good bye

I will personally pick him up and drive him their myself

One if the poorest players i have ever seen in a villa shirt
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I can understand him going to a top club, but  Southampton, do me a favour. Things finally look as if they may be changing at the club and credit to lambert for the signings so far. Senderos and Richardson showed enough yesterday to show that a lot of us (me included) were wrong to write them off

One match doesn't count for much but there seemed a sense of solidity there yesterday that we didn't have even at Arsenal twelve month ago. I don't want to tempt fate, but while I can't see us getting the three or four freak results we had last season I can't see us getting turned over so regularly by teams that end up relegated or losing so many late goals.

Totally agree Dave, we look a far more solid outfit and there is the likes of Benteke, Sanchez and Okore to be added to the squad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on August 17, 2014, 02:51:16 PM
Agreed as well, Dave. What the club needs is a good, boring season of 45-50 points, scoring about 40 goals and conceding 41. Last on MOTD every week. That sort of thing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 17, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
I'd take Hernadez or Wellbeck on loan any day. But United won't let them go I would presume.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 17, 2014, 03:39:05 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I can understand him going to a top club, but  Southampton, do me a favour. Things finally look as if they may be changing at the club and credit to lambert for the signings so far. Senderos and Richardson showed enough yesterday to show that a lot of us (me included) were wrong to write them off

One match doesn't count for much but there seemed a sense of solidity there yesterday that we didn't have even at Arsenal twelve month ago. I don't want to tempt fate, but while I can't see us getting the three or four freak results we had last season I can't see us getting turned over so regularly by teams that end up relegated or losing so many late goals.

Totally agree Dave, we look a far more solid outfit and there is the likes of Benteke, Sanchez and Okore to be added to the squad

Yep, i'm far to lazy to check myself, but how many times did Clark and Baker play together last season ? Whatever it was, it was far too many, hopefully won't be so often this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 17, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 17, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
I'd take Hernadez or Wellbeck on loan any day. But United won't let them go I would presume.

They will never sell to a title rival

;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2014, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 17, 2014, 03:39:05 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I can understand him going to a top club, but  Southampton, do me a favour. Things finally look as if they may be changing at the club and credit to lambert for the signings so far. Senderos and Richardson showed enough yesterday to show that a lot of us (me included) were wrong to write them off

One match doesn't count for much but there seemed a sense of solidity there yesterday that we didn't have even at Arsenal twelve month ago. I don't want to tempt fate, but while I can't see us getting the three or four freak results we had last season I can't see us getting turned over so regularly by teams that end up relegated or losing so many late goals.

Totally agree Dave, we look a far more solid outfit and there is the likes of Benteke, Sanchez and Okore to be added to the squad

Yep, i'm far to lazy to check myself, but how many times did Clark and Baker play together last season ? Whatever it was, it was far too many, hopefully won't be so often this season.

It just makes keeping Vlaar, unless really silly money is offered, the more important. Look at our squad, how many of the "relegation" rivals can boast a world cup dream team centre half, a couple of highly rated midfielders and a £30 million pound centre forward. All in all our squad should now coast to safety, but Vlaar going would put that in jeopardy if not replaced immediately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2014, 07:21:59 PM
trouble is, the WC Dream Team member is made of glass and the £30m striker isn't even playing yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on August 17, 2014, 09:07:10 PM
The other problem is the much lauded super striker, Hernandez, has never produced anything as a starter. Also, with many teams playing off one striker, where would he play? He certainly wouldn't entertain being super sub at VP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 17, 2014, 07:21:59 PM
trouble is, the WC Dream Team member is made of glass and the £30m striker isn't even playing yet.

Bit harsh Mr Barnet, the striker will be playing soon it seems. As for Vlaar, he is a Villa player, and want that for a long while.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 17, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on August 17, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 17, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
I'd take Hernadez or Wellbeck on loan any day. But United won't let them go I would presume.

They will never sell to a title rival

;-)
They aren't ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 17, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on August 17, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 17, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
I'd take Hernadez or Wellbeck on loan any day. But United won't let them go I would presume.

They will never sell to a title rival

;-)
They aren't ?

Well we are higher than them now lol
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fredm on August 17, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 17, 2014, 09:07:10 PM
The other problem is the much lauded super striker, Hernandez, has never produced anything as a starter. Also, with many teams playing off one striker, where would he play? He certainly wouldn't entertain being super sub at VP.

This is spot on. Hernandez has never been a success when starting for Man U. All his bits of brilliance have usually come as a sub for the last 20/30 minutes when the opposition are tiring. Ask most Man U fans and they will say if they see him down as a starter then they start to worry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 17, 2014, 10:11:36 PM
Benteke is twiice the player Hernandez is and more. We need a wide player and I will be more than happy, even if my missus is agrummpy fecker again ]
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2014, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: fredm on August 17, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 17, 2014, 09:07:10 PM
The other problem is the much lauded super striker, Hernandez, has never produced anything as a starter. Also, with many teams playing off one striker, where would he play? He certainly wouldn't entertain being super sub at VP.

This is spot on. Hernandez has never been a success when starting for Man U. All his bits of brilliance have usually come as a sub for the last 20/30 minutes when the opposition are tiring. Ask most Man U fans and they will say if they see him down as a starter then they start to worry.
Hernandez has done his job and helped extend the Manure Brand in Mexico. He has very poor first touch and does not even start for a mediocre Mexican team.
I say leave well alone unless we want to sell a few shirts down Mexico way but I think that ship has already sailed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
I wouldn't mind us loaning Wilfred Zaha. Be interesting to see if he could link up well with with Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 17, 2014, 11:05:35 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 17, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
I wouldn't mind us loaning Wilfred Zaha. Be interesting to see if he could link up well with with Benteke.

I think he's overrated tbh. Saying that though i thought the same of Sterling a couple years ago, only with an option to buy clause maybe, we don't want another Walker situation happening.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
If we're to play a 433, then the current frontline options are Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cole, Kozak and Benteke.  So, in our era of financial prudence, will we take on another big wage to go into that pool?  And if a loan like Gnarby, I'd much rather we give Grealish a chance. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 18, 2014, 08:25:16 AM
Dembele or Holtby are the two players I'd most like to see arrive at VP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 18, 2014, 08:25:16 AM
Dembele or Holtby are the two players I'd most like to see arrive at VP.

I think Chadli would be also a good addition and probably more realistic than either of those 2. He wasn't even on the bench on Saturday and (I'd imagine) be on lower wages than the other 2.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
If we're lacking anything now, i think it's someone else with pace going forward. There's only really Gabby and and there was no-one on the bench on Saturday who could have come on and caused a tiring defence problems. Zaha is an interesting one, he's obviously got talent and might be worth having a look at.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
If we're lacking anything now, i think it's someone else with pace going forward. There's only really Gabby and and there was no-one on the bench on Saturday who could have come on and caused a tiring defence problems. Zaha is an interesting one, he's obviously got talent and might be worth having a look at.

There are a few options for that type of player around at the moment. Another is Oussama Assaidi who was on loan at Stoke from Liverpool last season, and got 4 goals in 19 games. Stoke have apparently been baulking at the asking price, but now that they'v got Moses,  he may be available for another loan elsewhere?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 18, 2014, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
If we're lacking anything now, i think it's someone else with pace going forward. There's only really Gabby and and there was no-one on the bench on Saturday who could have come on and caused a tiring defence problems. Zaha is an interesting one, he's obviously got talent and might be worth having a look at.

There are a few options for that type of player around at the moment. Another is Oussama Assaidi who was on loan at Stoke from Liverpool last season, and got 4 goals in 19 games. Stoke have apparently been baulking at the asking price, but now that they'v got Moses,  he may be available for another loan elsewhere?

I've seen that Assaidi a few times, and he looks very erratic, and sloppy in possession. He reminds me of Fabio Rochemback who played for Middlesbrough
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 18, 2014, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
If we're lacking anything now, i think it's someone else with pace going forward. There's only really Gabby and and there was no-one on the bench on Saturday who could have come on and caused a tiring defence problems. Zaha is an interesting one, he's obviously got talent and might be worth having a look at.

Yes there was, and he did. Jack Grealish.

I'd like to see him given chances before bringing in a Zaha or Chadli. If Jack can't hack it then address the situation in January.

In any case, once Tekkers and/or Kozak are back, Gabby can take the role of impact sub.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I disagree. Gabby is a poor imitation of Gabby from 2 seasons back, and Grealish can't be our only bench option. I think a pacey wide/ forward and another midfield player to allow KEA to leave early would be ideal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 18, 2014, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
If we're lacking anything now, i think it's someone else with pace going forward. There's only really Gabby and and there was no-one on the bench on Saturday who could have come on and caused a tiring defence problems. Zaha is an interesting one, he's obviously got talent and might be worth having a look at.

Yes there was, and he did. Jack Grealish.

I'd like to see him given chances before bringing in a Zaha or Chadli. If Jack can't hack it then address the situation in January.

In any case, once Tekkers and/or Kozak are back, Gabby can take the role of impact sub.

I meant someone with Gabby type pace, who could maybe come on and play a similar role to what Sterling did yesterday for Liverpool. That said, i wouldn't like to see Grealish held back too much. Gabby being an impact sub is a good idea as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2014, 10:13:58 AM
It's important Grelish gets games this year.  We either need to play him a fair amount or send him on loan.
I realise we could do with his ability this year but long term he/we may be served better by him playing 30 odd games again like last season.  A stop -gap loan of our own, like gnarby, may allow this to happen if we can afford it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on August 18, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
I think that our next step would be to address the question of possession and ball retention. Hopefully Sanchez will have an influence on this but we have regularly seen huge deficits in percentage of possession. This was evident again on Saturday, even though Stoke were never going to hurt us on the day, but if we had improved this we could have won more convincingly. Currently our forwards are not "hold-up" forwards which doesn't help.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 18, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
If we're to play a 433, then the current frontline options are Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cole, Kozak and Benteke.  So, in our era of financial prudence, will we take on another big wage to go into that pool?  And if a loan like Gnarby, I'd much rather we give Grealish a chance. 

The issue there is that only nzogbia is naturally suited to the wider role, Gabby and Weimann can do a job in those roles but we really could do with some else who is comfortable out wide and capable of going outside and crossing or cutting in and shooting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 18, 2014, 08:25:16 AM
Dembele or Holtby are the two players I'd most like to see arrive at VP.

I think Chadli would be also a good addition and probably more realistic than either of those 2. He wasn't even on the bench on Saturday and (I'd imagine) be on lower wages than the other 2.

Haven't those two been at Fulham in recent seasons?  I know it was another London team, but surely we'd be in with a chance of at least loaning them. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 18, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
Didn't Lambert hint at 2 players possibly coming in?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
If we're lacking anything now, i think it's someone else with pace going forward. There's only really Gabby and and there was no-one on the bench on Saturday who could have come on and caused a tiring defence problems. Zaha is an interesting one, he's obviously got talent and might be worth having a look at.

Not sure about him really.  Hardly set the world alight at Cardiff last season and is reported to have a questionable attitude.  I'm not sure that's what we really need at the moment to be honest.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 18, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
If we're to play a 433, then the current frontline options are Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cole, Kozak and Benteke.  So, in our era of financial prudence, will we take on another big wage to go into that pool?  And if a loan like Gnarby, I'd much rather we give Grealish a chance. 

The issue there is that only nzogbia is naturally suited to the wider role, Gabby and Weimann can do a job in those roles but we really could do with some else who is comfortable out wide and capable of going outside and crossing or cutting in and shooting.

Richardson could maybe do a job out wide, though someone on Radio WM was saying on the commentary on Saturday that he prefers to play in the middle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 18, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
Didn't Lambert hint at 2 players possibly coming in?

He did;

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-lambert-thanks-aston-villa-7630184
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 18, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
If we're to play a 433, then the current frontline options are Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cole, Kozak and Benteke.  So, in our era of financial prudence, will we take on another big wage to go into that pool?  And if a loan like Gnarby, I'd much rather we give Grealish a chance. 

The issue there is that only nzogbia is naturally suited to the wider role, Gabby and Weimann can do a job in those roles but we really could do with some else who is comfortable out wide and capable of going outside and crossing or cutting in and shooting.

Richardson could maybe do a job out wide, though someone on Radio WM was saying on the commentary on Saturday that he prefers to play in the middle.

This is the thing though, we've got people 'doing a job' out there already.  In a solid 433 a big part of your creativity needs to come from the wide forwards and that just isn't happening for us because all of our wide players aren't particularly well suited to the role they're needing to play (even nzogbia who is far too willing to go 'all or nothing' every time he gets the ball). Grealish made a big impression on Saturday because he's got the technique and brains to play that role properly, and I think he'll get plenty of game time to show what he can do, but I'd really like another option as well, preferably some one with explosive pace who can get behind teams.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 18, 2014, 10:49:23 AM
Encouraging.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 18, 2014, 11:07:16 AM
Ashley Young on a season long loan would be good.

He looked hopeless on Saturday as a wing back.

Ditto Zaha also welcome although question his hunger. Sinclair isnt the answer.

We need real width and Gabby doesnt provide it because he cant beat his man unless he has 50 yards to run into.

Both Tekkers and Kojak would have a field day if we can get the supply right

Haven't seen much of Grealish but I dont think he is a winger. Good prospect though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
There's been a few Twitter rumours linking us with Maxime Lestienne of Club Brugges (although ui think more in hope than anything). From the little I've seen, he'd add some much needed width and pace to the squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on August 18, 2014, 11:23:47 AM
I think Roy Keane will have a really big influence on Jack Grealish's development as he has a vested international interest too.

This may help save money for other developments.

Oh and if Manure want Vlaar then they can start at 20million at the very least...helps them spend some of that sponsorship money
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2014, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on August 18, 2014, 11:23:47 AM
Oh and if Manure want Vlaar then they can start at 20million at the very least...helps them spend some of that sponsorship money

I read that the sponsorship deal is a LOT less if they don't get champions league.  Furthermore didn't the Glaziers also do some fiddle of the books to ensure that they're personally not 'down' due to the failure to get Chumps League this season? 

If could very quickly spiral out of control there.  Whilst that is funny on one hand it does (slightly) disgust me that a well run, profitable club can be financially in trouble due to the greed of the individuals at the top.  Albeit it is very hard to feel sympathy for most Man U fans.  If it was a nicer club I'm convinced that the wider footballing public would have rallied behind the club and stopped it (or at least protested a helluva lot more about it).

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 18, 2014, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
There's been a few Twitter rumours linking us with Maxime Lestienne of Club Brugges (although ui think more in hope than anything). From the little I've seen, he'd add some much needed width and pace to the squad.

I checked this one out but the ' twitter/tweet ' is using an old article from Belgian daily Het Nieuwsblad , written earlier this year in May when Villa apparently did send Scouts to watch this guy .Pity because he seems like the type of player we should be looking at , he,s young , technically very skilful , fast with a good Goal Scoring & assists record .............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on August 18, 2014, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
There's been a few Twitter rumours linking us with Maxime Lestienne of Club Brugges (although ui think more in hope than anything). From the little I've seen, he'd add some much needed width and pace to the squad.

I checked this one out but the ' twitter/tweet ' is using an old article from Belgian daily Het Nieuwsblad , written earlier this year in May when Villa apparently did send Scouts to watch this guy .Pity because he seems like the type of player we should be looking at , he,s young , technically very skilful , fast with a good Goal Scoring & assists record .............Godzvilla!

Good detective work! It is a shame as he does look to be a very exciting prospect and exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
Given how fucked Utd look at the back, the closer we get to the 31st, the more desperate they'll get. I'd say, seriously, a bare minimum of 15 million if they want Vlaar.

Personally I think we need to show Ron we're going to show how important he is to us and really try hard to keep him. Offer him a good deal and I think he'll stay. He seems to really love it here. I'd rather keep him than cash in. He's key to us this season and in a more solid backline he'll stand out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2014, 12:08:23 PM
I think Ron will wait and see.

Have a good season with us and he'll have his pick of teams next summer which will be the last big pay-day of his career.

If we over-achieve, top-half and win a cup or get to a final, he might be convinced to re-sign with us next summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
I'm hoping that Ron and Phils bromance will continue to blossom and he just won't be able to tear himself away from him when it comes to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 18, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
If we're to play a 433, then the current frontline options are Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cole, Kozak and Benteke.  So, in our era of financial prudence, will we take on another big wage to go into that pool?  And if a loan like Gnarby, I'd much rather we give Grealish a chance. 

The issue there is that only nzogbia is naturally suited to the wider role, Gabby and Weimann can do a job in those roles but we really could do with some else who is comfortable out wide and capable of going outside and crossing or cutting in and shooting.

Richardson could maybe do a job out wide, though someone on Radio WM was saying on the commentary on Saturday that he prefers to play in the middle.

This is the thing though, we've got people 'doing a job' out there already.  In a solid 433 a big part of your creativity needs to come from the wide forwards and that just isn't happening for us because all of our wide players aren't particularly well suited to the role they're needing to play (even nzogbia who is far too willing to go 'all or nothing' every time he gets the ball). Grealish made a big impression on Saturday because he's got the technique and brains to play that role properly, and I think he'll get plenty of game time to show what he can do, but I'd really like another option as well, preferably some one with explosive pace who can get behind teams.

When I say Richardson could do a job, I mean that he is more of a natural wide man and has played there before.  He would be more of a natural in that position than the likes of Gabby and Weimann, though it is rumoured he prefers to play in a more central role.  Gabby and Weimann's unsuitability to that role is really highlighted at home, where there is less space and good movement and ability on the ball are required. 

From what I've seen of Grealish so far, he is more suited to the attacking midfielder role than out wide and hope to see him played there at times this season.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
We need to keep those three slap heads at the back. It seems to work.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2014, 01:07:19 PM
Slaphead defenders are in the Villa DNA. George Cummings and Mush Callaghan being a typical hairless combo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Pete3206 on August 18, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
Don't forget Wrighty and Chrissy Price
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 18, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on August 18, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
Don't forget Wrighty and Chrissy Price


Sure Ugo went slaphead for a bit too. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 18, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
Jsmes Collins- another slaphead
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2014, 02:22:56 PM
Curtis Davies
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 18, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 18, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
If we're to play a 433, then the current frontline options are Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia, Cole, Kozak and Benteke.  So, in our era of financial prudence, will we take on another big wage to go into that pool?  And if a loan like Gnarby, I'd much rather we give Grealish a chance. 

The issue there is that only nzogbia is naturally suited to the wider role, Gabby and Weimann can do a job in those roles but we really could do with some else who is comfortable out wide and capable of going outside and crossing or cutting in and shooting.

Richardson could maybe do a job out wide, though someone on Radio WM was saying on the commentary on Saturday that he prefers to play in the middle.

Was this followed on WM with a '...crisis in Villa formation and personnel....' initiated discussion with question marks over why Lambert doesn't lay down the law to these Johnny Upstart signings and their preferred position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 18, 2014, 02:28:05 PM
No, WM were more worried about Wolves winning 0-1 at Rotherham. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 18, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 18, 2014, 02:28:05 PM
No, WM were more worried about Wolves winning 0-1 at Rotherham. 

Considering as how they were losing.  :-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 18, 2014, 02:39:46 PM
No, I meant in WM's eyes Wolves can do no wrong, they were winning by Nil goals to One.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 18, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
Ah, I see now O Wise One.  Please don't send me a bill.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 18, 2014, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 18, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
Ah, I see now O Wise One.  Please don't send me a bill.

Don't encourage me ;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
 I  do see wm as the lesser of the to evils, tom toss and all things blue.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 04:56:42 PM
The Daily Mail are reporting that we have an interest in this guy;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebasti%C3%A1n_Blanco

It's a very vague link though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
and that Carlos Cuellar is 'poised' to join Narwich
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 18, 2014, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2014, 04:56:42 PM
The Daily Mail are reporting that we have an interest in this guy;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebasti%C3%A1n_Blanco

It's a very vague link though.

I think we would struggle to get a work permit for him, only two international caps!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ashkar on August 18, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
In
Happy with the summer dealings if we sign a winger and keep vlaar. zaha or gnabry on loan would do. the belgian winger maxime lestienne might be a bit expensive.
A deep lying playmaker is also necessary but that can wait till january.

Out
Clark (loan)-
Herd (loan)
KEA
Bennett
C Robison (loan)


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2014, 05:30:25 PM
I shall not believe we have signed Blanco until I see it in black and white.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 18, 2014, 05:34:03 PM
Ever since we poached Brian Little & we were subjected to the away day from hell, I've always thought they were a right bunch of c**ts, but this proves it:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11712/9428471/transfer-news-marseille-right-back-rod-fanni-closing-on-move-to-leicester
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on August 18, 2014, 05:40:41 PM
Blanco has dual Spainish passport. Attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 18, 2014, 05:42:55 PM
David Jason played him really well on Porridge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 18, 2014, 06:35:39 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on August 18, 2014, 05:34:03 PM
Ever since we poached Brian Little

In white wine... ???
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 18, 2014, 07:21:44 PM
I'd have signed him for his name
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walters Flat top on August 18, 2014, 07:46:50 PM
Further link below, he looks pretty good in the youtube link but so did Helenius, whether he has what it takes to succeed in the premiership we would have to see.

http://www.winnersports.co.uk/aston-villa-fc-target-argentine-star-sebastian-blanco-91873
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2014, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 18, 2014, 05:30:25 PM
I shall not believe we have signed Blanco until I see it in black and white.
We may get him with a late serge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
Late serge.  Love it.   He can buy a house in Sutton Coldfield and call it Casablanco.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 18, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
Would he get a work permit if he's not a regular international?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2014, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on August 18, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
Would he get a work permit if he's not a regular international?

Depends on age, potential and passport details. Hopefully he holds a Spanish passport.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 18, 2014, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 18, 2014, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on August 18, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
Would he get a work permit if he's not a regular international?

Depends on age, potential and passport details. Hopefully he holds a Spanish passport.
From top of page
Quote from: Hoppo on August 18, 2014, 05:40:41 PM
Blanco has dual Spainish passport. Attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2014, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: ashkar on August 18, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
In
Happy with the summer dealings if we sign a winger and keep vlaar. zaha or gnabry on loan would do. the belgian winger maxime lestienne might be a bit expensive.
A deep lying playmaker is also necessary but that can wait till january.

Out
Clark (loan)-
Herd (loan)
KEA
Bennett
C Robison (loan)

I can see Clark and KEA being in the matchday squad so doubtful they will go out at the moment.  Robinson probably dies need to go out on loan, but the likes of Herd, Baker and Bennett should probably be dusting off their CVs. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2014, 10:17:34 PM
Oops, must read properly in future!! Spanish passport eh? Done deal then!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
Anyone know if he is any good?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 18, 2014, 10:23:19 PM
No idea but he's got a cool name that must fit in with a chant / song so what's to worry about. ;)

See also Bosko Balaban, KEA and probably several others.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 19, 2014, 12:08:56 AM
I hope he qualifies for a work permit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2014, 01:04:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
Anyone know if he is any good?

a little bit of Eden Hazard about him. Pretty compact little player. Pops up in the right places

Blanco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G8afiEG59uw)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2014, 01:36:14 AM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 19, 2014, 01:04:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
Anyone know if he is any good?

a little bit of Eden Hazard about him. Pretty compact little player. Pops up in the right places

Blanco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G8afiEG59uw)

Interesting link, but we've already got Cole, N'Zogbia and Grealish who can play in that position. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2014, 02:09:22 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 19, 2014, 01:36:14 AM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 19, 2014, 01:04:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
Anyone know if he is any good?

a little bit of Eden Hazard about him. Pretty compact little player. Pops up in the right places

Blanco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G8afiEG59uw)

Interesting link, but we've already got Cole, N'Zogbia and Grealish who can play in that position. 

I really meant in terms of build and quickness. It looks from the clips he plays more centrally.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2014, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 18, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
Late serge.  Love it.   He can buy a house in Sutton Coldfield and call it Casablanco.
if the club are denying this transfer, I reckon it'll be a whitewash from them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 19, 2014, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.

Not. Very very not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 19, 2014, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.

Not. Very very not.

The probably won't be a wide Spectrum of views regarding Sinclair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2014, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.
If it's the Sinclair from Swansea then that would be great.

If it's the Swansea from Chelsea, Man City or Albion then it wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 19, 2014, 11:02:38 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 19, 2014, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.
If it's the Sinclair from Swansea then that would be great.

If it's the Swansea from Chelsea, Man City or Albion then it wouldn't be.

It'd still be the Sinclair with that bloody woman in tow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 19, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
The winger situaltion is interesting.  While we seem to lack one which stands out, this maybe not such a problem if some one like Zog comes back into form, or if Bacuna builds on a decent first season.  But we do lack someone with a good delivery.  Was sad to see Albrighton go myself :-[

Don't won't Sinclair that is for sure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 19, 2014, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.
If it's the Sinclair from Swansea then that would be great.

If it's the Swansea from Chelsea, Man City or Albion then it wouldn't be.

Can't you tell your mate to ask him (Sinclair) to try his best if he comes?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
I'd rather we went for Holtby. He's meant to be available for £1.5m :|
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2014, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
I'd rather we went for Holtby. He's meant to be available for £1.5m :|

It's weird that he played on saturday and Dembele didn't yet Holtby seems to be the player they're more keen to sell.
Personally I'd prefer Dembele but I doubt he'd be as cheap as £1.5m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
I'm a big fan of Holtby's, would love to see him at Villa. Very surprised if they're looking to let him go again. Horribly, I can see QPR coming in for him and paying him a stupid salary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2014, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 19, 2014, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
I keep seeing stuff to suggest Scott Sinclair to sign this week. Not so sure if that's a good thing or not.
If it's the Sinclair from Swansea then that would be great.

If it's the Swansea from Chelsea, Man City or Albion then it wouldn't be.


I reckon it would be the Swansea version, as he would be in the last chance saloon. I also think he would do well in our wide forward roles.

Anyhow, I would take both. Sinclair adds pace, Holtby quality. Sign both and we would be really well equipped for the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: QBVILLA on August 19, 2014, 01:17:18 PM
I dunno. I had high hopes of Ireland as he also has undoubted talent. Sinclair, I may be doing a disservice to here but he strikes me as another footballer who lacks the mentality to ever fulfil his talent. I thought he'd really shine for the Albion last season, did he ever play?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2014, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on August 19, 2014, 01:17:18 PM
I dunno. I had high hopes of Ireland as he also has undoubted talent. Sinclair, I may be doing a disservice to here but he strikes me as another footballer who lacks the mentality to ever fulfil his talent. I thought he'd really shine for the Albion last season, did he ever play?

I'd question his talent as much as his mentality, he's quick but even when he was doing well with Swansea I think it was more about him being quick than anything else, he's a lot like Aaron Lennon, has just enough skill to make the most of his pace but what happens after he's got away is rather inconsistent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 19, 2014, 03:07:06 PM
I agree though, the whole Stephen Ireland thing has put me right off the idea of getting in players who used to be good and hoping they recapture their form.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 03:20:39 PM
I've always thought of Sinclair as poor-man's Ashley Young. Very similar style but nowhere near as effective as an on-song Young. I'd steer clear purely because he's produced nothing of note for the past 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 19, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
A friend in Sweden (Hammarby fan) has told me that as well as the goalie we have signed, we are looking at taking a young midfielder called Kevin Jarrett-Marston.
Probably not the biggest bit of transfer news!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: placeforparks on August 19, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
I'm a big fan of Holtby's, would love to see him at Villa. Very surprised if they're looking to let him go again. Horribly, I can see QPR coming in for him and paying him a stupid salary.

evening standard last night said qpr were looking to secure 31 year old liability, joey barton, on a £75,000 a week contract!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Summers on August 19, 2014, 04:23:56 PM
If Holtby is available, I hope we're interested. He'd walk into our side and really make things happen going forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 19, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
I'm a big fan of Holtby's, would love to see him at Villa. Very surprised if they're looking to let him go again. Horribly, I can see QPR coming in for him and paying him a stupid salary.

evening standard last night said qpr were looking to secure 31 year old liability, joey barton, on a £75,000 a week contract!

Well, at least we cannot say that QPR have failed to learn their lesson...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 19, 2014, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 03:20:39 PM
I've always thought of Sinclair as poor-man's Ashley Young. Very similar style but nowhere near as effective as an on-song Young. I'd steer clear purely because he's produced nothing of note for the past 2 seasons.

I'm just going to say it....If Helen Flanagan was lying next to me I might struggle to motivate my ass out of bed for training. His legs have probably gone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 19, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: The Ads on August 19, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on August 19, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
I'm a big fan of Holtby's, would love to see him at Villa. Very surprised if they're looking to let him go again. Horribly, I can see QPR coming in for him and paying him a stupid salary.

evening standard last night said qpr were looking to secure 31 year old liability, joey barton, on a £75,000 a week contract!

Well, at least we cannot say that QPR have failed to learn their lesson...

QPR are a train wreck waiting to happen
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2014, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
I'd rather we went for Holtby. He's meant to be available for £1.5m :|
I don't think that's actually true. They paid £1.5m for him because he was six months from the end of his contract, his current deal runs out in 2018. I'm guessing somebody has skim-read an article about him, seen the figure "£1.5m" mentioned within it and it keeps being repeated.

I see no reason why they would let him leave for £1.5m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 19, 2014, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 19, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
I'd rather we went for Holtby. He's meant to be available for £1.5m :|
I don't think that's actually true. They paid £1.5m for him because he was six months from the end of his contract, his current deal runs out in 2018. I'm guessing somebody has skim-read an article about him, seen the figure "£1.5m" mentioned within it and it keeps being repeated.

I see no reason why they would let him leave for £1.5m.

I thought that too. As mentioned earlier, Spurs have an incredible knack for making big profits on players that they're effectively casting-off. I can't imagine that they'll be treating the likes of Holtby, Chadli or Dembele any differently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on August 19, 2014, 04:53:18 PM
Yeah on what possible basis could he got for that little in the current market?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
everyone's missed off a 1 in front of the other 1.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2014, 05:12:28 PM
Yes like in the James Alexander Gordon tribute thread add a 1 to all the numbers for inflation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villabear on August 19, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
John Arne Riise interest apparently.

http://www.football365.com/aston-villa/9429882/Transfer-news-John-Arne-Riise-claims-interest-from-Aston-Villa?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Another f***ing left-back?!! Does Lambo get instant grat from them or wut?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 19, 2014, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: Malandro on August 19, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
A friend in Sweden (Hammarby fan) has told me that as well as the goalie we have signed, we are looking at taking a young midfielder called Kevin Jarrett-Marston.
Probably not the biggest bit of transfer news!

Did,nt know we,d signed a Goalie from Sweden , apparently his name is Victor Johansson and he signed at the end of July  , at least I think he did , my Swedish is pretty well  non-existent .
2 years ago , at the age of 14 he came over here for Trials  and gave wide-eyed this impression of his stay , I loved the bit about “suspended clothes “! .

"It has been both a bit unreal and indescribable. Everything was so professional, the clothes are suspended when one enters the dressing room, all washed, the facilities were out of this world and the hotel was perfect," said Johansson " .
 
As for Kevin Jarrett-Marston , a young mid-fielder  apparently he is  in Birmingham from 18 to 21 August for trials . Ones foe the future , possibly ...............................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 19, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Another f***ing left-back?!! Does Lambo get instant grat from them or wut?

I can't see it happening myself. Riise just trying to promote himself, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 19, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Another f***ing left-back?!! Does Lambo get instant grat from them or wut?

I can't see it happening myself. Riise just trying to promote himself, I'd imagine.

I would imagine that any interest was pre-Cissokho. Possibly even pre-Richardson.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
pre B.C.  more like. An ok shout  maybe ten years ago .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on August 19, 2014, 08:28:53 PM
Interest could be simply a phone call to an agent or an agent to a club. There is a huge difference between interest and an offer, and should he sign he would be making up the numbers on a modest contract.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2014, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 19, 2014, 04:53:18 PM
Yeah on what possible basis could he got for that little in the current market?

Yup, he'll probably go for closer to Shane Long money
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 19, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Another f***ing left-back?!! Does Lambo get instant grat from them or wut?

I can't see it happening myself. Riise just trying to promote himself, I'd imagine.

I would imagine that any interest was pre-Cissokho. Possibly even pre-Richardson.

yep. Getting Richardson made a lot of sense and Cissokho even more so. We don't need another player in that position so I agree this might have been an inquiry pre both of those players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2014, 09:36:17 PM
We were linked with Riise last summer - might just have been left-over from that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2014, 10:27:16 PM
It's a shame we can't take Vargas and Fer before QPR finalise those deals.

Vargas would be great wide in a front three and Fer, Sanchez and Delph would be a very solid midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2014, 10:31:19 PM
Fer was the one player I really wanted from the sides going down. Realy shame, makes them much stronger too. Think they should have enough if Remy stays.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2014, 10:35:24 PM
Holtby, Sanchez and Delph would be a strong enough midfield trio.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 19, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Holtby - or Dembele for that matter - from the club that collects central midfield players would be great.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2014, 11:29:11 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 19, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Holtby - or Dembele for that matter - from the club that collects central midfield players would be great.

I don't get the Holtby thing.  What is it that people have seen in him, what are his strengths?
All I see is an athlete that can run around a lot.  Furthermore, 'between the lines' as he does;t seem to read the play either.

I admit I haven't seen much of him at spurs but nothing has suggested he's worth the bother.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2014, 11:58:58 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2014, 11:29:11 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 19, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Holtby - or Dembele for that matter - from the club that collects central midfield players would be great.

I don't get the Holtby thing.  What is it that people have seen in him, what are his strengths?
All I see is an athlete that can run around a lot.  Furthermore, 'between the lines' as he does;t seem to read the play either.

I admit I haven't seen much of him at spurs but nothing has suggested he's worth the bother.

I thought he was easily the best player on the pitch when we played Fulham at our place towards the end of last season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2014, 12:00:54 AM
Quote from: Matt C on August 19, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Holtby - or Dembele for that matter - from the club that collects central midfield players would be great.

Getting them on a season long loan might be our best chance with either.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
£8m for Fer (forfar...oh, that's the James Alexander Gordon thread) seems a bit pricey. Not that we'd be likely to pay it mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
£8m for Fer (forfar...oh, that's the James Alexander Gordon thread) seems a bit pricey. Not that we'd be likely to pay it mind.

This is QPR we are talking about. They pay twice the going rate for most of their signings
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 20, 2014, 08:28:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
£8m for Fer (forfar...oh, that's the James Alexander Gordon thread) seems a bit pricey. Not that we'd be likely to pay it mind.

This is QPR we are talking about. They pay twice the going rate for most of their signings
same goes for Liverpool......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
The Sun's reporting that Newcastle are in for Scott Sinclair. I have a feeling that we'll bring in a mystery winger that most of us will have never heard off, until there name is linked to us on Twitter.

Talking of which, does anyone know if Tonev is eligible to play for Celtic tonight?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2014, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on August 20, 2014, 08:28:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
£8m for Fer (forfar...oh, that's the James Alexander Gordon thread) seems a bit pricey. Not that we'd be likely to pay it mind.

This is QPR we are talking about. They pay twice the going rate for most of their signings
same goes for Liverpool......

The £55m "King Kenny" spent on Downing and Carroll must surely rank amongst the worst transfers in history. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 20, 2014, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 20, 2014, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on August 20, 2014, 08:28:31 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2014, 12:28:27 AM
£8m for Fer (forfar...oh, that's the James Alexander Gordon thread) seems a bit pricey. Not that we'd be likely to pay it mind.

This is QPR we are talking about. They pay twice the going rate for most of their signings
same goes for Liverpool......

The £55m "King Kenny" spent on Downing and Carroll must surely rank amongst the worst transfers in history.


HE   he   he    8)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2014, 01:37:21 PM
https://twitter.com/lauriewhitwell/status/502061530624831489

Joe Bennett to Brighton on loan...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 20, 2014, 02:01:58 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2014, 01:37:21 PM
https://twitter.com/lauriewhitwell/status/502061530624831489

Joe Bennett to Brighton on loan...?

 i hope that happens, get some confidence back, imo he could be a very good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Loxton01 on August 20, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
I expect Lowton to follow suit to shortly.

It seems as if the trial is over bringing young inexperienced players in. Be good for him to get a season under his belt perhaps with a recall clause in January.

The Riise link may have some legs given Bennett going

Id let Herd and possibly Baker go out on Loan too till January to local clubs too get some match practice in.

Clark to stop given he can cover a fair few positions.

Grealish and Gardner are the two id like to be given a chance this season to see if they can make it surrounded by experienced players.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2014, 03:18:49 PM
Lowton and Bennett both need to learn how to defend properly. They have ability on the ball, but their positioning and defensive know how are non-existant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2014, 03:20:30 PM
I'd be more reticent to let Lowton go than Bennett. Hutton is bound to pick-up a suspension or two over the course of the season and I think Bacuna is too much of a liability defensively to play there. He could also offer cover on the right hand side of a back 3, if we do pot to play that way at all.

I'd much rather we looked to ship-out Baker and/or Herd next, if we're looking to free up squad places.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2014, 03:23:20 PM
Lowton isn't much better than Bacuna defensively to be honest. On Baker, I'd just sell him if at all possible. We have enough centre halves in Senderos, Vlaar, Okore and Clark and Baker is by far the worst.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 20, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
Guzan (Given)
Hutton (Bacuna) Senderos (Okore) Vlaar (Clark) Cissokho (Richardson)
Westwood (KEA) Sanchez (Gardner) Delph (Cole)
Weimann (Gabby) Benteke (Kozak) N'Zogbia (Grealish)

That's 22, 23 with Bent who's covering until the big men are back, that really should be enough to run with, if you work on 3 injured on average at any one time you've still got a full complement of 18 plus two spare, even if you had a raft of say 6 injured you may have to stick one kid on the bench to make up 7 subs so it would hardly be horrific.  That means Herd, Lowton, Bennett, Stevens, Robinson and Baker can leave/be loaned out for me.  If we get 2 more in as rumoured, KEA and Bent can probably also be moved on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 20, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
Guzan (Given)
Hutton (Bacuna) Senderos (Okore) Vlaar (Clark) Cissokho (Richardson)
Westwood (KEA) Sanchez (Gardner) Delph (Cole)
Weimann (Gabby) Benteke (Kozak) N'Zogbia (Grealish)

That's 22, 23 with Bent who's covering until the big men are back, that really should be enough to run with, if you work on 3 injured on average at any one time you've still got a full complement of 18 plus two spare, even if you had a raft of say 6 injured you may have to stick one kid on the bench to make up 7 subs so it would hardly be horrific.  That means Herd, Lowton, Bennett, Stevens, Robinson and Baker can leave/be loaned out for me.  If we get 2 more in as rumoured, KEA and Bent can probably also be moved on.

We've had a point in the season where 10 first team squad players have been injured at the same time in each of the last 4 seasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
I think we're stuck with Bent . If he were going to get a  transfer  somewhere else it would have happened by now. He blew his chance with a dreadful spell at Fulham.  A long and expensive wind down to the end of his contract beckons but I hope I'm wrong. His 65k a week would be very handy elsewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 20, 2014, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 20, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 20, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
Guzan (Given)
Hutton (Bacuna) Senderos (Okore) Vlaar (Clark) Cissokho (Richardson)
Westwood (KEA) Sanchez (Gardner) Delph (Cole)
Weimann (Gabby) Benteke (Kozak) N'Zogbia (Grealish)

That's 22, 23 with Bent who's covering until the big men are back, that really should be enough to run with, if you work on 3 injured on average at any one time you've still got a full complement of 18 plus two spare, even if you had a raft of say 6 injured you may have to stick one kid on the bench to make up 7 subs so it would hardly be horrific.  That means Herd, Lowton, Bennett, Stevens, Robinson and Baker can leave/be loaned out for me.  If we get 2 more in as rumoured, KEA and Bent can probably also be moved on.

We've had a point in the season where 10 first team squad players have been injured at the same time in each of the last 4 seasons.

What do you do then, tell Baker and Bennett et al you're not playing this season until we get 10 injuries, just let them let train every day and not get matches, I'd rather see them get games elsewhere and take the risk?  I think for a Premier League club not in Europe 22/23 players plus kids is a sensible squad size.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 20, 2014, 03:58:19 PM
What do you do then, tell Baker and Bennett et al you're not playing this season until we get 10 injuries, just let them let train every day and not get matches, I'd rather see them get games elsewhere and take the risk?  I think for a Premier League club not in Europe 22/23 players plus kids is a sensible squad size.

I just think why bother reducing the squad to 22/23 if we don't have to, precedence shows that we might well need the squad players over the season.  This is the first time for a while that I've looked at the squad and seen a decent backup in every position and then spares on top, I think we should go with that for a year.

Quote from: bobdylan on August 20, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
Guzan (Given)
Hutton (Bacuna) Senderos (Okore) Vlaar (Clark) Cissokho (Richardson)
Westwood (KEA) Sanchez (Gardner) Delph (Cole)
Weimann (Gabby) Benteke (Kozak) N'Zogbia (Grealish)

I think we'll see Richardson and Bacuna used on midfield more often than at fullback so I'd want to keep 1 of Bennett, Stevens or Lowton just in case.  Alternatively I'd keep 1 from either side and let KEA go instead, I can't see him ever bin th eplayer we hoped, the league is just too quick for him.

You've already added Bent, which is 24 but we can discount Grealish (he doesn't need to be named as a squad member so why bother) to get to 23.

I think we'll keep Baker in the squad after 2 years running of having one central defender miss the entire season and another miss a couple of months.  That leaves 1 spot which should be for a wide forward who can create and score and has the pace to worry teams.

I agree with Herd going out and I'd love to see Robinson on loan for a few months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on August 20, 2014, 04:58:42 PM
Baker has a chance to learn his craft with some solid centre backs, and taking the pressure off him playing every game could/should help him.  I hope so, I like his attitude.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 20, 2014, 05:26:24 PM
There is nothing wrong with Baker's attitude, it is his ability that is the issue. His positioning is poor and he hasn't enough pace to dig himself out of being out of position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 20, 2014, 05:34:34 PM
Hate to write a young player off, but I just don't think Baker will be good enough for this level. With Clark there is a football brain to work with, think he has suffered from a lack of decent coaching and playing in a team that has lost too many in games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2014, 05:37:19 PM
Baker's attitude is fine and good luck to him, but he's never shown any ability to learn from his errors or improve his game. I think he is pretty much as good as he's going to be and that's not good enough for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2014, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 20, 2014, 05:34:34 PM
Hate to write a young player off, but I just don't think Baker will be good enough for this level. With Clark there is a football brain to work with, think he has suffered from a lack of decent coaching and playing in a team that has lost too many in games.

Clark is diabolical. He is a PK, red-card and mental lapse liability every time he is out there. In fairness both Baker and Clark should probably move on to competitive club in the Championship. Neither can be considered Premier League standard.

I hate having to clench my ass cheeks every time either one of them are on the ball or tracking back. Five years ago I thought both were sure things, but unfortunately that's just not the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
With Bennett and Luna now both gone, i wonder if we will be seeing John Arne Riise in the next few days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 07:26:27 PM
Surely Clark and Richardson and Stevens are enough backup to Cissokho
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 07:26:27 PM
Surely Clark and Richardson and Stevens are enough backup to Cissokho

Stevens is the only out and out left back out of all of them though. I don't know, maybe you're right but we brought in Bertrand last season when we already had Luna, Bennett, Stevens and Clark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tsvet on August 20, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Heard it through the grapevine... We have just missed on De Guzman. Expect Tom Cleverly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2014, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 20, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 07:26:27 PM
Surely Clark and Richardson and Stevens are enough backup to Cissokho

Stevens is the only out and out left back out of all of them though. I don't know, maybe you're right but we brought in Bertrand last season when we already had Luna, Bennett, Stevens and Clark.

Bennett and Stevens are nowhere near good enough for the top division. Brighton is a good move for Bennett but unless he starts taking the gym seriously then that is the highest level he will ever succeed at. No idea what Lambert saw in him. Stevens really isnt up to even championship level I suspect.

If we are saying Clark and Baker arent up to it because of poor coaching what does that say about our academy?

Baker gives his all but hasnt improved and isnt likely to either. The game has long moved on from big lumps at centre half that kick everything that moves. We wont get away with a player of Baker's limitations in the top division.

Clark to be honest has had his chance too. He hasnt the ability to read the game so is last ditch everything. For a defender with no recovery pace that is a critical flaw. Not sure if Senderos is much of an improvement on that but Clark for the sake of his career needs regular football now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 20, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
I would prefer to keep Lowton as cover rather than let him out on loan. Same with Clark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: gervilla on August 20, 2014, 09:35:37 PM
According to my sources, Riise's signing will be announced tomorrow.
My sources are facebook pages though so hopefully there's nowt to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2014, 09:38:18 PM
Is there some hitherto undiscovered EU left back mountain that Lambert has chanced upon?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 20, 2014, 09:39:30 PM
Riise. It's happening.


























Shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 09:40:55 PM
Senderos, Riise and Richardson from a pathetic Fulham side would be pretty shocking. I certainly hope not.

Why Cleveleys Tsvet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2014, 09:42:38 PM
Gregg Evans says it isn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
First test for Gregg
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: gervilla on August 20, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
Also seen on  fb tonight : Geoff Cameron been at BMH today according to Twitter rumours.
So that's twitter & facebook in the one rumor, it's got to be true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Left Side on August 20, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: gervilla on August 20, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
Also seen on  fb tonight : Geoff Cameron been at BMH today according to Twitter rumours.
So that's twitter & facebook in the one rumor, it's got to be true.

Who is Geoff Cameron?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
I'd be very surprised with either riise or Cameron. We've plenty of cover there and other priorities
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: spangley1812 on August 20, 2014, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: The Left Side on August 20, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: gervilla on August 20, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
Also seen on  fb tonight : Geoff Cameron been at BMH today according to Twitter rumours.
So that's twitter & facebook in the one rumor, it's got to be true.

Who is Geoff Cameron?

Defender @ Stoke
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
I'm not sure a player who posted this upon leaving Fulham is going to have an altogether happy time at Villa:

“Good luck, the team needs support , not people thinking they know everything,”

“And if you knew what went on behind the scenes you might have kept your mouths shut!

“Your shit comments really don't affect me, all I cared about was the club and the true fans who has supported FFC all their life and through generations.”
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
Cameron was very good for the USA in the world cup much to my surprise. I would not be against him signing at all, covers centre half and right back. IF we signed him it would be a further indication that being as solid as possible is the primary aim. I would still like someone of the ilk of a Blanco type that could get people off their seats going forward. I say type as I have never seen the player himself, but tricky attacking midfielder with skill and flair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 20, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Not Riise, please!

The few days of optimism already being chipped away...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
Do we need any more defenders?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 20, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 20, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
I'm not sure a player who posted this upon leaving Fulham is going to have an altogether happy time at Villa:

“Good luck, the team needs support , not people thinking they know everything,”

“And if you knew what went on behind the scenes you might have kept your mouths shut!

"Your shit comments really don't affect me, all I cared about was the club and the true fans who has supported FFC all their life and through generations.”


Some of the players who have left Villa Park could have said the same about some of the morons who 'support' Villa by sounding off on social media - none on here of course!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 20, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
No we don't, I can't see it..I hope
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 20, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Not Riise, please!

The few days of optimism already being chipped away...

All we are saying.......



....is give Risse a chance



I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: steffo on August 20, 2014, 10:29:29 PM
Lambert will continue to sign 'full-backs' until he finds the new John Gidman / Ashley Cole type fullback who will provide width in his narrow system.
 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 20, 2014, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 20, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
Do we need any more defenders?

No if they play like they did on Saturday, yes if they revert back to type.  We certainly have plenty, its just a case of if they can form a good unit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
People were saying what a poor signing Senderos was not long ago but he looked decent Saturday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
Cameron can play holding midfield, right back and centre half. Could be useful and allow Lowton to go out on loan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 20, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 20, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
People were saying what a poor signing Senderos was not long ago but he looked decent Saturday.

Think Saturday was a case of experience helping in a difficult game.  But it was just ONE GAME!  We don't want another Arsenal from last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 20, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
Cameron can play holding midfield, right back and centre half. Could be useful and allow Lowton to go out on loan

We already have holding midfield sorted out, and have signed enough defenders already.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2014, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 20, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 20, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
People were saying what a poor signing Senderos was not long ago but he looked decent Saturday.

Think Saturday was a case of experience helping in a difficult game.  But it was just ONE GAME!  We don't want another Arsenal from last season.

Agreed. The winter months when the season's been going a while normally shows a true picture. I'm quietly optimistic though just because we seem to have a bigger, more experienced squad. I think we'll still struggle for creativity at times without more additions but we should be better organised and know what to do in match situations.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2014, 11:28:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 20, 2014, 09:39:30 PM
Riise. It's happening.


























Shit.

and your proof of this is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2014, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 20, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 20, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
People were saying what a poor signing Senderos was not long ago but he looked decent Saturday.

Think Saturday was a case of experience helping in a difficult game.  But it was just ONE GAME!  We don't want another Arsenal from last season.

I'll say this though, we did get completely robbed in the second game against Chelsea. Not saying the season would have turned out much differently but that was a point stolen from us, maybe even 3.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2014, 11:36:51 PM
I suppose with Riise we would then have two players in him and Richardson who could play either left back or left midfield.  I can sort of see the point in it, especially if he's not on big wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2014, 12:39:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
Cameron can play holding midfield, right back and centre half. Could be useful and allow Lowton to go out on loan

Would certainly be a better bench option than Lowton, Clark and Baker.  I accept that it is not always easy, but surely we should be looking to sell some of these players rather than loan them out. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 21, 2014, 12:56:48 AM
Why wouldn't we want to win at Arsenal?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2014, 12:58:23 AM
Is loaning out all these players Lambert stubbornly refusing to believe that they can't make it here or can we just not get anyone to buy them? Realistically, how many of Luna, Helenius, Sylla, Tonev, Bennett, Lowton and Stevens are likely to ever be Premier League regulars?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 21, 2014, 01:56:26 AM
Or conversely we loan them out for a year with a view to boosting their values - none of those who have gone had a particularly good season last time so seems sensible rather than sell at a loss.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 21, 2014, 03:23:57 AM
We should loan James Wilson for the season to bolster our attacking line up. They say they don't want to loan him out yet until LVG assesses him but with RVP's imminent return he's hardly going to get a look in.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 21, 2014, 07:38:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on August 20, 2014, 11:36:51 PM
I suppose with Riise we would then have two players in him and Richardson who could play either left back or left midfield.  I can sort of see the point in it, especially if he's not on big wages.

Alright Risso where you been?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 21, 2014, 03:23:57 AM
We should loan James Wilson for the season to bolster our attacking line up. They say they don't want to loan him out yet until LVG assesses him but with RVP's imminent return he's hardly going to get a look in.

What have you seen of him to make him worthwhile? He got a couple of goals on his debut so there might be something there but his record in age groups is not too dissimilar to Robinson so I'd rather give our own kid a chance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2014, 08:38:50 AM
I'd rather us take Nick Powell from them. Can play up front, as a "number 10" or in midfield. I think he's going to be a great player.

He's still young enough not to take-up a squad place too, I think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2014, 08:38:50 AM
I'd rather us take Nick Powell from them. Can play up front, as a "number 10" or in midfield. I think he's going to be a great player.

He's still young enough not to take-up a squad place too, I think.

I'd be happy with Powell, I think he's the only player they have who is likely to be available for loan that I'd be interested in.  I  think Kagawa could be good but I think they want to just sell and I can't see us being willing to pay what they'd want.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 21, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 21, 2014, 12:58:23 AM
Is loaning out all these players Lambert stubbornly refusing to believe that they can't make it here or can we just not get anyone to buy them? Realistically, how many of Luna, Helenius, Sylla, Tonev, Bennett, Lowton and Stevens are likely to ever be Premier League regulars?

Apologies if this has ben mentioned previously but Joe Bennet has gone to Brighton on a Season long loan. Another Left Back bites the dust .........................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 21, 2014, 12:22:23 PM
He's a whore for a left back. I think he needs rehab to get him off this addiction.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2014, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
Cameron was very good for the USA in the world cup much to my surprise. I would not be against him signing at all, covers centre half and right back. IF we signed him it would be a further indication that being as solid as possible is the primary aim. I would still like someone of the ilk of a Blanco type that could get people off their seats going forward. I say type as I have never seen the player himself, but tricky attacking midfielder with skill and flair.

He's got a great shot and was excellent as part of Brazil's 94 World Cup winning side but he might be past his best now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2014, 02:45:44 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 21, 2014, 01:56:26 AM
Or conversely we loan them out for a year with a view to boosting their values - none of those who have gone had a particularly good season last time so seems sensible rather than sell at a loss.

Makes sense, but on the flip side of that they could be garbage during their loan, making them unwanted by other clubs and meaning we are lumbered with them.  The likes of Bennett are going to be on more money than most Championship sides could afford, so I suppose a loan suits them really.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
bin dippers have apparently agreed a  £16m  for Mario Balotelli. From one nutter to another, but will make for interesting viewing if it comes off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2014, 03:11:39 PM
Balotelli is always good against us unfortunately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 03:21:04 PM
he'll have some very good games because he is a very good player underneath all of the nonsense. The challenge is can he keep it altogether without something blowing up during the season?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 21, 2014, 03:28:03 PM
His bathroom?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on August 21, 2014, 03:28:03 PM
His bathroom?

entirely possible. Or someone elses bathroom - equally possible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 21, 2014, 03:47:12 PM
Lambert says the approach Riise is on about certainly didn't come from him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 21, 2014, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 21, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
bin dippers have apparently agreed a  £16m  for Mario Balotelli. From one nutter to another, but will make for interesting viewing if it comes off.

Balotelli will,like Demba Ba, have a lot of clubs in his career. He will not(unlike Suarez) score a considerable ammount of goals. Always entertaining Mario, most of the time for the wrong reasons! Two seasons at the maximum. Liverpool have made a costly mistake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2014, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 21, 2014, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 21, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
bin dippers have apparently agreed a  £16m  for Mario Balotelli. From one nutter to another, but will make for interesting viewing if it comes off.

Balotelli will,like Demba Ba, have a lot of clubs in his career. He will not(unlike Suarez) score a considerable ammount of goals.
He's scored a considerable amount of goals at every club that he's been at since he was 18 years old.

In a world where Shane Long costs £12m and Adam Lallana costs £25m, £16m for Balotelli is a bargain.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
I think there's a reason why Milan are pricing him at only £4m more than Shane Long.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
I think there's a reason why Milan are pricing him at only £4m more than Shane Long.

part of it is the issues he brings despite the productivity, part of it because Milan are pretty skint which is amazing considering many of us know them as a massive and successful football club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
Never scoring more than 14 league goals in a season isn't really that considerable. He's still a bargain compared to Shane Long though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 04:20:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 21, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
I think there's a reason why Milan are pricing him at only £4m more than Shane Long.

part of it is the issues he brings despite the productivity, part of it because Milan are pretty skint which is amazing considering many of us know them as a massive and successful football club.

It's mostly the bat-shit crazy in reality.

I really don't mind the guy, but he comes across as a man-baby with no concept of boundaries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 21, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 21, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
bin dippers have apparently agreed a  £16m  for Mario Balotelli. From one nutter to another, but will make for interesting viewing if it comes off.

I hope Liverpool fall on the arses this season. Rodgers had spent shit loads of money yet Liverpool never have this accusation thrown at them like Man City/Chelsea.

I would love it if they finish outside the top 4 and go out at the group stages of the Champions League. Funny though, after all the money spent, I still don't think they're all that great, certainly not as great as finishing 2nd last season. We made them look average twice last year and that happened for a reason.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2014, 04:31:44 PM
once fit, I wonder how much Benteke would go for, given the Balotelli fee?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 21, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 21, 2014, 04:31:44 PM
once fit, I wonder how much Benteke would go for, given the Balotelli fee?

At present, you'd still be looking at the £25m figure banded around this time last year.   

If he scores 20+ goals this season, you could be looking at £40m easy. 

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 21, 2014, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
I think there's a reason why Milan are pricing him at only £4m more than Shane Long.

Its because Shane Long is the second coming and Liverpool always overpay for players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2014, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
Never scoring more than 14 league goals in a season isn't really that considerable.
Or you could say that since he was a teenager he's scored 64 goals in 134 games, even though a couple of those seasons he was predominantly playing from the bench with Man City.

He's got a very similar scoring record to Benteke over the same time period and I'd say that he scores 'a considerable amount of goals'.

And we'd be furious if somebody were signing Benteke for £16m from us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 21, 2014, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
Never scoring more than 14 league goals in a season isn't really that considerable. He's still a bargain compared to Shane Long though.
He's likely to be 'earning' up to 10 times more than Shane Long which is why the transfer fee is so low - to get him off their books. Now where have I heard that before?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 21, 2014, 05:06:35 PM
Someone should tell Liverpool that if they get their skates on they can gazump the Pinstripeyfilth and get Giorgios "Legend of World Football" Samaras on a free. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on August 21, 2014, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
Never scoring more than 14 league goals in a season isn't really that considerable. He's still a bargain compared to Shane Long though.
He's likely to be 'earning' up to 10 times more than Shane Long which is why the transfer fee is so low - to get him off their books. Now where have I heard that before?


that's actually a good point. Milan have financial problems so selling a player under market value to help also shift that salary makes sense. Heck we've been trying to do just that but with lesser talented players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 21, 2014, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 21, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on August 21, 2014, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
Never scoring more than 14 league goals in a season isn't really that considerable. He's still a bargain compared to Shane Long though.
He's likely to be 'earning' up to 10 times more than Shane Long which is why the transfer fee is so low - to get him off their books. Now where have I heard that before?


that's actually a good point. Milan have financial problems so selling a player under market value to help also shift that salary makes sense. Heck we've been trying to do just that but with lesser talented players.

we've probably even tried paying clubs to take the players contracts
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2014, 05:19:09 PM
Absolutely.

And the wages that he is being paid by Liverpool are going to be quite substantial - reports are that he'll be getting £180,000 per week.

I'm guessing Shane Long will be getting a good deal less than that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 21, 2014, 05:25:49 PM
Balotelli isn't much of a risk on 16 million. He's absolutely batshit, but with every passing year you'd imagine he'll get slightly less batshit (or maybe not). I think what you get though is a player who, when he wants to be, is absolutely unplayable. There aren't too many strikers who can do that, even irregularly.

As for Benteke, our gauge for his value should be Lukaku. Very similar players, similar ages and similar goal returns in this league. If Lukaku is 28 million, then Tekkers has to be at least 28 million.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2014, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 21, 2014, 05:19:09 PM
Absolutely.

And the wages that he is being paid by Liverpool are going to be quite substantial - reports are that he'll be getting £180,000 per week.

I'm guessing Shane Long will be getting a good deal less than that.

SSN are saying 6 million euros a year after tax, which is £90k a week. So about £140k a week before tax and NI.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Just had the misfortune to see SSN. Haven't seen it all summer, they even have a league table of spending, and the dim bell end in front of the screen proudly stated it will be a record breaking transfer window, the fucking shit. How about a league table of decent coaches training English kids you fucks ?

Rant over.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2014, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Just had the misfortune to see SSN. Haven't seen it all summer, they even have a league table of spending, and the dim bell end in front of the screen proudly stated it will be a record breaking transfer window, the fucking shit. How about a league table of decent coaches training English kids you fucks ?

Rant over.

Yeah, saw the aforementioned table and bell end.  His parting shot was something along the lines of Liverpool being top of the spending league, but will Man Utd catch them before the end of the window.  All that is wrong with English football  in a few short moments. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 06:22:22 PM
Couldn't believe my eyes mate.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 21, 2014, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 21, 2014, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Just had the misfortune to see SSN. Haven't seen it all summer, they even have a league table of spending, and the dim bell end in front of the screen proudly stated it will be a record breaking transfer window, the fucking shit. How about a league table of decent coaches training English kids you fucks ?

Rant over.

Yeah, saw the aforementioned table and bell end.  His parting shot was something along the lines of Liverpool being top of the spending league, but will Man Utd catch them before the end of the window.  All that is wrong with English football  in a few short moments. 

That just made me shudder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 21, 2014, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Just had the misfortune to see SSN. Haven't seen it all summer, they even have a league table of spending, and the dim bell end in front of the screen proudly stated it will be a record breaking transfer window, the fucking shit. How about a league table of decent coaches training English kids you fucks ?

Rant over.

Or the number of English players likely to make the first choice line ups of Premier League teams? I love being reminded of how little I miss Sky Sports so thank you for this post. It really is the most turgid vacuous dimwitted shit going, capable within any given hour of reminding you of everything that is wrong with football today 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 21, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 21, 2014, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Just had the misfortune to see SSN. Haven't seen it all summer, they even have a league table of spending, and the dim bell end in front of the screen proudly stated it will be a record breaking transfer window, the fucking shit. How about a league table of decent coaches training English kids you fucks ?

Rant over.

Or the number of English players likely to make the first choice line ups of Premier League teams? I love being reminded of how little I miss Sky Sports so thank you for this post. It really is the most turgid vacuous dimwitted shit going, capable within any given hour of reminding you of everything that is wrong with football today 

I will give you that for SSN, but I rarely watch that. Against that they cover the games pretty well, compare it to the ITV approach for example. Similarly they do a great job with cricket and rugby and, although I don't follow it myself, I am told the golf is also covered well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
If you watch Sky for the games (whichever sport) then it is fine. If you stick around for the debate or analysis you're going to get upset because the odd exception aside they are bell ends because they cater to that audience.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 21, 2014, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
If you watch Sky for the games (whichever sport) then it is fine. If you stick around for the debate or analysis you're going to get upset because the odd exception aside they are bell ends because they cater to that audience.

Yeah agree with that completely.

I have Sky because I love watching football. I make a point of not watching any of the build up. Pre or post match. I find if I stick to that then it's good coverage.

I wouldn't have ESPN though because I'd never watch any of the games being at our games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 21, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
Yes, agree totally about the coverage of the actual games which is, on the whole, excellent. Interesting that Chris should mention the rugby as I probably miss the Premiership rugby and things like the Lions tours more than anything since I gave up Sky sports. I'm lucky too to have a good sports pub nearby with about 6 or 7 big screens for the Villa games I do want to see and for things like the Lions. Apart from the very odd programme such as The Warm Up with Johnny Vaughan on a Saturday morning on Talkshite which I can thoroughly recommend if you like some really good retro football banter, I don't listen to a single analysis or talk show programme on football any more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
If you watch Sky for the games (whichever sport) then it is fine. If you stick around for the debate or analysis you're going to get upset because the odd exception aside they are bell ends because they cater to that audience.

That's unfair, their post match analysis is the best out there, by a mile.

It is the shit they fill the minutes with all the other days on SSN that is guff.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
If you watch Sky for the games (whichever sport) then it is fine. If you stick around for the debate or analysis you're going to get upset because the odd exception aside they are bell ends because they cater to that audience.

That's unfair, their post match analysis is the best out there, by a mile.

It is the shit they fill the minutes with all the other days on SSN that is guff.

mind you, when you look at who their competition is for analysis it's going to stand out. It's not bad I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2014, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.



If you could only separate Carragher's words from his voice...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve kirk on August 21, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Just had the misfortune to see SSN. Haven't seen it all summer, they even have a league table of spending, and the dim bell end in front of the screen proudly stated it will be a record breaking transfer window, the fucking shit. How about a league table of decent coaches training English kids you fucks ?

Rant over.

And I fuckin hate their new fancy studio, its so over the top, so loud so fuckin horrible and as for Jim White !!!!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.



Agreed their analysis is interesting and unbiased.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.



Agreed their analysis is interesting and unbiased.

Makes up for how crap Redknapp is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.



Agreed their analysis is interesting and unbiased.

Makes up for how crap Redknapp is.

There was one game last season where Redknapp kept referring to our midfielders Kieran Westwood and Karim El Mahamady. He even corrected himself at one point. Then continued doing it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 21, 2014, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.



Agreed their analysis is interesting and unbiased.

Makes up for how crap Redknapp is.

There was one game last season where Redknapp kept referring to our midfielders Kieran Westwood and Karim El Mahamady. He even corrected himself at one point. Then continued doing it.

Alan Smith and Nial Quinn bore the fuck out of me.

Souness is the only one I really like. And that's purely because he looks like he'll lose it at any given second!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Everytime Quinn says Guzman I want to punch the screen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 21, 2014, 09:37:16 PM
Brad Guzman, Jonathan de Guzan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 21, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.



Agreed their analysis is interesting and unbiased.

Makes up for how crap Redknapp is.

There was one game last season where Redknapp kept referring to our midfielders Kieran Westwood and Karim El Mahamady. He even corrected himself at one point. Then continued doing it.

He's a vacuum of insight, charisma, analyse, I could go on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 21, 2014, 09:49:24 PM
He's a right hunk, though.

Personally, I've just about had it with analysis and experts but Neville is definitely worth listening to. And for all of his ability to divide opinion, Collymore is a very good broadcaster.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 21, 2014, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Everytime Quinn says Guzman I want to punch the screen.

Niall Quinn - Gabby Agbon-le-whore
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 10:38:36 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Everytime Quinn says Guzman I want to punch the screen.

Me too.

Although on the bright side, it takes the mind off him calling Weimann Wiseman.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2014, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.

True, but I think he could do with talking about Manchester United a bit more!  The other thing about SKY is that their ad breaks are clogged with ads for betting firms.  I don't what it is, but they just seem to be the most annoying ads going.  "The Ladbrokes Life" ffs!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 21, 2014, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.

Who'd have thought that ay? Completely agree. Redknapp is a fucking wet wipe. I only really like Souness on top of that, the rest i'm either indifferent about, dislike, or irrationally hate (e.g Cascarino, ooo my fists they are a clenching)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villabren on August 22, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 10:38:36 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Everytime Quinn says Guzman I want to punch the screen.

Me too.

Although on the bright side, it takes the mind off him calling Weimann Wiseman.


It's an Irish thing. We're not great with names. During the World Cup Eamon Dunphy picked out a non-existant "Lorenzo" as the weak link in the Argentina back line.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2014, 05:47:48 AM
give it a few days and Yanited will sign him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on August 22, 2014, 06:59:56 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Everytime Quinn says Guzman I want to punch the screen.

You'll be lucky to have any appliances left if you listen to the tosser on WM too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2014, 07:10:28 AM
Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 21, 2014, 09:49:24 PM
He's a right hunk, though.
Jeez...Girls! (I assume)
You wouldn't see us blokes ever discuss Sky girls in similar terms :o
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2014, 07:12:43 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
I think Gary Neville is by far the best pundit on British television. Even Carragher isn't bad.
I can't believe you have ignored that fountain of insight the oh so interesting Michael Owen?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2014, 07:40:18 AM
Anyway, for those of us in black & white Villa are in the claret shorts .




I've never subscribed to Sky and am increasingly less inclined to.
I get my news from eastie  on t'interweb.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Loxton01 on August 22, 2014, 07:59:07 AM
I'm wondering if the signing of Mr Fox may allow us to get serge gnabry in on loan!

I certainly don't want Ron to go but if he does perhaps Micah Richards could be a good addition to replace him younger hopefully hungrier and another strong player!

We have enough in that squad to challenge for 10th-12th and that's what Lambo needs to get out of them
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2014, 08:05:23 AM
The problems of being   filthy rich! I wonder if they will be prepared to let him come to us on loan till Jan and also subsidise his wages?

From BBC:
Striker Alvaro Negredo, 29, is set to be left out of Manchester City's Champions League squad as the Premier League champions attempt to meet Uefa's 16-man limit on overseas players for the tournament. (Manchester Evening News)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 22, 2014, 09:37:15 AM
The one player we really need is Antonio Valencia. Out of our reach at the moment but if we are taken over it could happen if Van Gaal doesnt rate him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2014, 10:07:32 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 22, 2014, 09:37:15 AM
The one player we really need is Antonio Valencia. Out of our reach at the moment but if we are taken over it could happen if Van Gaal doesnt rate him.

Yes. LeeB likes this idea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 10:42:53 AM
Wilson Palacios about to sign.  ITK.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2014, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 10:42:53 AM
Wilson Palacios about to sign.  ITK.

Really?  I'm not sure I'll ever understand Lambert's thinking.  Go two seasons without an 'enforcer' then sign two in a window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 10:50:24 AM
Kea out Palacios in makes some sense.

I think the thinking is we have been as watertight as the titanic after a fight with an iceberg the last 2 seasons, let's stop being so.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 22, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 10:42:53 AM
Wilson Palacios about to sign.  ITK.

I always thought he could end up down the Villa...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 10:54:24 AM
Hmmmm he hasn't looked much cop in last couple of years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SteveN on August 22, 2014, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 10:42:53 AM
Wilson Palacios about to sign.  ITK.

The few times I have seen him he's been awful.  With the new look defence and Sanchez to come it's creativity we need, and Palacios makes Reo-Coker look like Iniesta.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2014, 10:55:33 AM
Hasn't he been a bit rubbish since the stuff with his brother?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2014, 10:56:53 AM
Wiiiiiiiiilllllllsoooooooooon!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pav on August 22, 2014, 10:57:58 AM
He's shite,  all my mates locally are stoke fans,  absolutely awful. Even they cringe at him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2014, 10:58:36 AM
If he does sign as a replacement for KEA, then that makes sense. Can't see Herd getting much game time this season though. Maybe we should sell him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2014, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: pav on August 22, 2014, 10:57:58 AM
He's shite,  all my mates locally are stoke fans,  absolutely awful. Even they cringe at him.
like for like then with KEA.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2014, 11:00:33 AM
I don't think there is anything in this.

#theAdsknows
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2014, 10:55:33 AM
Hasn't he been a bit rubbish since the stuff with his brother?

He has, which is understandable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
We do need creativity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:03:55 AM
He's a stopper isn't he?  Not creative.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
He is, sorry I wasn't suggesting he's creative. He isn't what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:07:18 AM
Ah ok.  And agreed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 11:16:37 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
We do need creativity.

I spat out tea reading that as a joke?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:22:13 AM
Ozz, he has since clarified.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2014, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 10:42:53 AM
Wilson Palacios about to sign.  ITK.
Hopefully an autograph whilst he is out shppoing!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Head hurts thinking about this one. Not great.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:22:13 AM
Ozz, he has since clarified.

I know sorry I meant I took his post as a dry piss take.


Sanchez and Palacios in front of Senderos and Vlaar with Cissokho and Hutton at full back. It would be bruising.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:35:25 AM
If it does happen, I am hoping he is simply cover for the inevitable 'Dirty' Sanchez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2014, 11:35:52 AM
I'm up for it, sod it, I've seen enough of us getting bullied to last me a lifetime.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 22, 2014, 11:37:05 AM
All I know about Palacios is that he ran the show for Stoke when they slaughtered us last season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 11:37:30 AM
I had that thought too Lee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on August 22, 2014, 11:38:35 AM
Looks like were aiming to top the bad discipline league seeing as we won't be making the Sky big spenders league this year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 22, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 22, 2014, 11:35:52 AM
I'm up for it, sod it, I've seen enough of us getting bullied to last me a lifetime.

Yes.  We go from a midfield with a soft under belly to a 6 pack overnight.  I'd take that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on August 22, 2014, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:22:13 AM
Ozz, he has since clarified.

I know sorry I meant I took his post as a dry piss take.


Sanchez and Palacios in front of Senderos and Vlaar with Cissokho and Hutton at full back. It would be bruising.


Looks a bit like the Maginot line to me
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dicedlam on August 22, 2014, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 11:32:41 AM

Sanchez and Palacios in front of Senderos and Vlaar with Cissokho and Hutton at full back. It would be bruising.

Maybe Lambert's thinking behind this is that he knows Sanchez is prone to few bookings and he possibly see's Palacios coming off the bench to take him off before he see's red?
This makes sense because pretty much without Sanchez's aggression and walking a fine line on a yellow card will again give no protection to the back four.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 22, 2014, 11:56:06 AM
What is this ITK actually based on? Is it just twitter rumours?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 11:59:05 AM
There's an article on it now. 

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-transfer-gossip-Wilson-Palacios/story-22801999-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
Who's gonna start the NRC debate ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 22, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
Quote
according to reports in Honduras
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2014, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Head hurts thinking about this one. Not great.
I think I'd prefer Herd as back-up to Rocky rather than Palacios - the signing would be about 4 years too late
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on August 22, 2014, 12:13:21 PM
Bollocks!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 12:19:21 PM
Palacios has really lost his way in what was becoming a good career, and the terrible personal tragedy contributed a lot to that. If there is truth in this I suppose it might be a low risk acquisition with a lot of upside if he can be anything like the player he once was. Certainly adds some meat to our midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
Salah on loan from Chelsea. As long as he isn't called up to the Egyptian army.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 12:21:02 PM
I've just seen a rumour on Twitter linking us with a loan move for Mohamed Salah at chelsea. I'm going to concentrate on that, and ignore this Palacios nonsense!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Palacios is the kind of player to bring on if you're winning with maybe 15 mins to go to keep it tight or if you're being over run in midfield. I'm happy enough with it if it's true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 12:26:25 PM
He was so disappointing in the WC. Like he wanted to get sent off in that first game and got his wish. He lacks discipline so he needs his aggression channelled properly. Roy Keane should be able to help channel his aggression...

 :o
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 12:35:16 PM
Salah would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 22, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
Quote
according to reports in Honduras

Are you saying that the news agencies in Honduras are not reliable?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 22, 2014, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
Salah on loan from Chelsea. As long as he isn't called up to the Egyptian army.

Join the Egyptian army or play in front of Alan Hutton
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 12:21:02 PM
I've just seen a rumour on Twitter linking us with a loan move for Mohamed Salah at chelsea. I'm going to concentrate on that, and ignore this Palacios nonsense!

That made me laugh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2014, 12:45:42 PM
Not sure Palacios is the type of player we need really.  Going forward, I see Westwood as cover for Sanchez and what we need is a dynamic player like Delph who is decent on the ball and can chip in with a few goals.  The previously mentioned Holtby and Dembele would be ideal, even if it was only on loan for a season.       
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 22, 2014, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 22, 2014, 12:45:42 PM
Not sure Palacios is the type of player we need really.  Going forward, I see Westwood as cover for Sanchez and what we need is a dynamic player like Delph who is decent on the ball and can chip in with a few goals.  The previously mentioned Holtby and Dembele would be ideal, even if it was only on loan for a season.       

Perhaps the thought is to allow Delph to play further forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 22, 2014, 12:57:53 PM
If you're looking for a midfielder to chip in with a few goals, Dembele is not your man. Excellent player though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2014, 01:11:17 PM
Kippax has form as a serial prankster so I'm not gonna get too worked-up about Wilson just yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Dembele is a quality player who would really improve our midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2014, 01:15:45 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 22, 2014, 12:57:53 PM
If you're looking for a midfielder to chip in with a few goals, Dembele is not your man. Excellent player though.

Seemed to remember that he scored quite a few for Fulham.  Just looked at his record - 5 goals in 62 games, so not exactly prolific!!  We do need more goals from midfield though and that includes Delph chipping in with a few more.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2014, 01:16:01 PM
Another delightful translation, this time about Palacios.

In the coming hours Wilson Palacios will define its future in English football. catracho The steering wheel is very close to leaving Stoke City and Aston Villa go to club that are interested in buying and that has followed in his footsteps from various weather.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Dembele is a quality player who would really improve our midfield.

Dembele wasn't selected yesterday for Spur's Euro team last night.  He looked like such a good player at Fulham and in his early days at Spurs.
It's a few spurs managers now who have not picked him so maybe his motivation levels have dropped, which, if true, is a horrible waste of talent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2014, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 22, 2014, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 22, 2014, 12:45:42 PM
Not sure Palacios is the type of player we need really.  Going forward, I see Westwood as cover for Sanchez and what we need is a dynamic player like Delph who is decent on the ball and can chip in with a few goals.  The previously mentioned Holtby and Dembele would be ideal, even if it was only on loan for a season.       

Perhaps the thought is to allow Delph to play further forward.

Could be and I wouldn't be adverse to that.  If we play our usual three though, we could still do with another option in there.  Ideally, James Milner will decide that he misses Villa Park too much and would be willing to come back for a massive reduction in his wages, as he would be perfect in that role.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2014, 12:35:16 PM
Salah would be a great signing.
Yup.

Him on loan would see us in very solid shape for the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

I'll pretend that you never suggested that even in jest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

I've been toying with suggesting this for about an hour, but, here goes...

How about Wellbeck?

Van Gaal wants to let him go, but not to a rival. Would surely be a better option than Weimann or Agbonlahor...

**Dives for cover**

I'll pretend that you never suggested that even in jest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

I've been toying with suggesting this for about an hour, but, here goes...

How about Wellbeck?

Van Gaal wants to let him go, but not to a rival. Would surely be a better option than Weimann or Agbonlahor...

**Dives for cover**

I'll pretend that you never suggested that even in jest.

blimey get that quote right so it doesn't look like I'm suggesting Wellbeck
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2014, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

He'd fit the bill perfectly.

if the option we were looking for up front was "hilarity".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2014, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

He'd fit the bill perfectly.

if the option we were looking for up front was "hilarity".

villa kicks has snatched Rob's body. Look out for a suggested approach for Jonjo Shelvey in the coming days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2014, 02:10:34 PM
I'd bite their hands off for Wellbeck.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2014, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

He'd fit the bill perfectly.

if the option we were looking for up front was "hilarity".

Such a shame they seem to have changed the bio on his website. That remains one of the funniest things ever.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

I'll pretend that you never suggested that even in jest.

I am missing Villakicks the little wind up troll
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2014, 02:12:01 PM
Have we had Villa Kick's war and peace length list of players yet who  would slot right in at VP? Wasn't his always headed by Altidore?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
I'd like to see a battle royale between villa kicks and John Blackwell of utterly bollocks transfer suggestions. It would be beyond bizarre
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 02:18:44 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2014, 02:12:01 PM
Have we had Villa Kick's war and peace length list of players yet who  would slot right in at VP? Wasn't his always headed by Altidore?

Yes. and Ronaldinho wasn't a realistic option.

I think the lad/youth/teenager/kidplayed far far too much Championship Manager - probably the 2008-09 version.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
Jay Spearing for central midfield alongside Shelvey.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

I've been toying with suggesting this for about an hour, but, here goes...

How about Wellbeck?

Van Gaal wants to let him go, but not to a rival. Would surely be a better option than Weimann or Agbonlahor...

**Dives for cover**

I'll pretend that you never suggested that even in jest.

blimey get that quote right so it doesn't look like I'm suggesting Wellbeck

Sorry - you were my cover!

I'm serious though - I think he'd be a really good addition for us, and a different option to the strikers we have in the squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Doubt Wellbeck would be in our wage range. He must be on 50-60k at Yooo-niiited.

I think he plays well for England on the whole but not sure he would be good for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2014, 02:45:55 PM
Mirror.

Quote
Danny Welbeck has been told he can leave Manchester United - but not for one of their Premier League rivals.

Louis van Gaal has told the England striker he can leave United, with Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie his first-choice strike partnership.

But United have told Welbeck and his representatives the forward cannot join a top-six club, despite interest from Arsenal and Tottenham.

United do not want Welbeck to sign for a club that could potentially deny them a return to the top four and the Champions League.

Welbeck is valued at around £15million by United, and the 23-year-old has already been the subject of interest from Hull boss Steve Bruce.

Under former United boss David Moyes, Welbeck became disillusioned at being marginalised, and it is a similar situation under van Gaal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
I see Welbeck as a modern version of Heskey, he'll always work hard and his teammates will appreciate it but he'll never score many, he just doesn't have that instinct around the box.  Not a bad player but not one I'd be looking to bring it to help out our creative/goal-scoring requirements.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 02:51:23 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

I've been toying with suggesting this for about an hour, but, here goes...

How about Wellbeck?

Van Gaal wants to let him go, but not to a rival. Would surely be a better option than Weimann or Agbonlahor...

**Dives for cover**

I'll pretend that you never suggested that even in jest.

blimey get that quote right so it doesn't look like I'm suggesting Wellbeck

Sorry - you were my cover!

I'm serious though - I think he'd be a really good addition for us, and a different option to the strikers we have in the squad at the moment.

I just think we should wait on Kozak and Benteke returning as opposed to spending anything on a player that might end up in a similar position to the one he finds himself in now. I'd like to see if Weimann can come through after last week, and we ultimately need more goals from our midfield and defence as opposed to just relying on the forwards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 22, 2014, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2014, 02:45:55 PM
Mirror.

Quote
Danny Welbeck has been told he can leave Manchester United - but not for one of their Premier League rivals.

Louis van Gaal has told the England striker he can leave United, with Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie his first-choice strike partnership.

But United have told Welbeck and his representatives the forward cannot join a top-six club, despite interest from Arsenal and Tottenham.

United do not want Welbeck to sign for a club that could potentially deny them a return to the top four and the Champions League.

Welbeck is valued at around £15million by United, and the 23-year-old has already been the subject of interest from Hull boss Steve Bruce.

Under former United boss David Moyes, Welbeck became disillusioned at being marginalised, and it is a similar situation under van Gaal.

So they don't think he's good enough to get them back into the Champions League, but he might be good enough to get one of their rivals into it. Interesting logic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on August 22, 2014, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
If we are looking for forward options, how about Altidore?

Only if we can partner him with Jermaine Beckford
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
I see Welbeck as a modern version of Heskey, he'll always work hard and his teammates will appreciate it but he'll never score many, he just doesn't have that instinct around the box.  Not a bad player but not one I'd be looking to bring it to help out our creative/goal-scoring requirements.

I can see what you mean, but Welbeck’s got a much better touch and awareness than Heskey ever did, which makes him much more of asset in the formation that we rend to play, with 2 guys playing either side of a central striker. Granted, he's not prolific, but I think he'd weigh-in with his fair share of assists in that position.

I wouldn't be keen to spend £15m on him (nor, I’m sure, would Randy), but as a loan option I think he’d be a massive upgrade on Weimann or Agbonlahor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2014, 02:45:55 PM
Mirror.

Quote
Danny Welbeck has been told he can leave Manchester United - but not for one of their Premier League rivals.

Louis van Gaal has told the England striker he can leave United, with Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie his first-choice strike partnership.

But United have told Welbeck and his representatives the forward cannot join a top-six club, despite interest from Arsenal and Tottenham.

United do not want Welbeck to sign for a club that could potentially deny them a return to the top four and the Champions League.

Welbeck is valued at around £15million by United, and the 23-year-old has already been the subject of interest from Hull boss Steve Bruce.

Under former United boss David Moyes, Welbeck became disillusioned at being marginalised, and it is a similar situation under van Gaal.

That's us out then.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mellin on August 22, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Heskey was a better player at the same age. Wasn't he about 23 when he scored 20 plus goals in a season for Liverpool? Bit of a beast before he had it all trained out of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 22, 2014, 03:34:06 PM
I think Wellbeck is one of the most overrated players I've seen in quite some time..Alongside Wilshire
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 03:43:49 PM
I really do not rate Wellbeck at all.  Happy to let Bruce continue his single handed bankrupting of Hull with average cast offs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 03:45:17 PM
Woeful Wellbeck will never be a top player. 15 million is the biggest joke out. Worth about 3.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
Sometimes you get the impression that if they have played for Manure then there is an automatic presumption that they must be worth anything approaching £20m and upwards.  Then you remember Taibi, Veron, Carroll, and any amount of other garbage they have signed over the years.  Except if your name is Steve Bruce.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2014, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 03:45:17 PM
Woeful Wellbeck will never be a top player. 15 million is the biggest joke out. Worth about 3.

Respectfully disagree OJ.  Might not be a top 4 striker, but think he is more than capable for teams below that.  I think he's one of those that would really benefit from playing regular football and would easily be in double figures every season.  He'd be a good signing for us and as for the price tag, we have to remember that we are talking about a market where Shane Long is worth £12m. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
Shane Long is better Tom. Seriously Wellbeck is a waste of a player on the field IMO. He is Gabby, without the pace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 04:04:46 PM
that really is shit then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
I look forward to Welbeck never making another England squad as soon as he says his goodbyes at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
Shane Long is better Tom. Seriously Wellbeck is a waste of a player on the field IMO. He is Gabby, without the pace.

Massive exaggeration. I don't think you'd find too many Premiership Managers who would take Weimann or Agbonlahor over Welbeck, given the choice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2014, 04:07:47 PM
Welbeck isn't as good as the media make out. He isn't as shit as we make out either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2014, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
Shane Long is better Tom. Seriously Wellbeck is a waste of a player on the field IMO. He is Gabby, without the pace.

Massive exaggeration. I don't think you'd find too many Premiership Managers who would take Weimann or Agbonlahor over Welbeck, given the choice.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 22, 2014, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
Shane Long is better Tom. Seriously Wellbeck is a waste of a player on the field IMO. He is Gabby, without the pace.

Massive exaggeration. I don't think you'd find too many Premiership Managers who would take Weimann or Agbonlahor over Welbeck, given the choice.
Agreed.
Agreed as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
Then you remember Taibi, Veron, Carroll, and any amount of other garbage they have signed over the years.
Veron was an absolutly outstanding player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 22, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Having lost nearly every bit of pride in the England team, I still feel a little bit of passion when people talk about Wellbeck.

How the magic mushrooms does he get in the squad? Madness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
I see Welbeck as a modern version of Heskey, he'll always work hard and his teammates will appreciate it but he'll never score many, he just doesn't have that instinct around the box.  Not a bad player but not one I'd be looking to bring it to help out our creative/goal-scoring requirements.

I can see what you mean, but Welbeck’s got a much better touch and awareness than Heskey ever did, which makes him much more of asset in the formation that we rend to play, with 2 guys playing either side of a central striker. Granted, he's not prolific, but I think he'd weigh-in with his fair share of assists in that position.

I wouldn't be keen to spend £15m on him (nor, I’m sure, would Randy), but as a loan option I think he’d be a massive upgrade on Weimann or Agbonlahor.

25 assists in 179 games, playing alongside 2 of the most prolific strikers in the league for most of that time.

Gabby 52 assists in 329 games.
Weimann 18 assists in 148 games.

His record doesn't set him massively ahead of either. If he was £3-4m and £25k p/w then I'd be ok with it, the cost in fee and wages is massively out of line with what he'd bring.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
Then you remember Taibi, Veron, Carroll, and any amount of other garbage they have signed over the years.
Veron was an absolutly outstanding player.

he was. Just that he rarely hit those heights for them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
Welbeck would probably score more than Gabby. But, he's not what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2014, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
Welbeck would probably score more than Gabby. But, he's not what we need.

A situation best described as 'Tallest Dwarf Syndrome'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 22, 2014, 05:25:17 PM
I think we should go for that Benteke bloke.
Brilliant a few seasons ago and loads of potential...wonder where he is now... 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
Then you remember Taibi, Veron, Carroll, and any amount of other garbage they have signed over the years.
Veron was an absolutly outstanding player.

For clarity - with them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 22, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
Nothing doing on Palacious.

http://us.soccerway.com/news/2014/August/22/hughes-unaware-of-palacios-interest/n399629/
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 06:55:33 PM
The Villa way is generally out of the blue deals, or we really find out about them very close to them closing. Sanchez was a bit different because of the third party stuff, but the others this summer were done quite efficiently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
I see Welbeck as a modern version of Heskey, he'll always work hard and his teammates will appreciate it but he'll never score many, he just doesn't have that instinct around the box.  Not a bad player but not one I'd be looking to bring it to help out our creative/goal-scoring requirements.

I can see what you mean, but Welbeck’s got a much better touch and awareness than Heskey ever did, which makes him much more of asset in the formation that we rend to play, with 2 guys playing either side of a central striker. Granted, he's not prolific, but I think he'd weigh-in with his fair share of assists in that position.

I wouldn't be keen to spend £15m on him (nor, I’m sure, would Randy), but as a loan option I think he’d be a massive upgrade on Weimann or Agbonlahor.

25 assists in 179 games, playing alongside 2 of the most prolific strikers in the league for most of that time.

Gabby 52 assists in 329 games.
Weimann 18 assists in 148 games.

His record doesn't set him massively ahead of either. If he was £3-4m and £25k p/w then I'd be ok with it, the cost in fee and wages is massively out of line with what he'd bring.

I'd be interested to see games converted into minutes, as I doubt Welbeck has started (or completed) anywhere near as many games as those 2.

That said, I completely agree that he's highly unlikely to be cheap, or present a great amount of value for money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 07:26:35 PM
He'll probably end up at Arsenal and do well there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 22, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 07:26:35 PM
He'll probably end up at Arsenal and do well there.

Why Arsenal? It feels like people suggest them all the time as somewhere every striker in the world would do well at.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
If Wellbeck isn't good enough for ManYoo, why would he be good enough for Arsenal?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 07:11:56 PM
I'd be interested to see games converted into minutes, as I doubt Welbeck has started (or completed) anywhere near as many games as those 2.

That said, I completely agree that he's highly unlikely to be cheap, or present a great amount of value for money.

Welbeck
1 goal every 302mins
1 assist every 447mins

Gabby
1 goal every 340mins
1 assist every 503mins

Weimann
1 goal every 204mins
1 assist every 545mins

Gabby is a little behind the other 2 but there's nothing much between Weimann and Welbeck.  Gabby's stats have gone backwards last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
I was not being harsh. I think he is slightly more use than Weimann, and a little less than an in form Gabby. Why on earth Arsenal would want him is beyond me, could not trap a bag of cement.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
As has already been pointed out, he doesn't need one. Spanish passport.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
Oophs, think I was replying to a post from about five pages ago. Ah well, bollocks to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on August 22, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
Welbeck is by all accounts very popular at Old Trafford. He is one of the few real Mancunians to come through their system into the first team, and everyone at the club is very fond of him. He is their version of Gabby. I suspect he will be a fish out of water anywhere else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: gervilla on August 22, 2014, 10:04:13 PM
Danny Wellbeck is a regular starter at international level.
If he was Irish I would find this statement believable.
He will struggle once he leaves Man Utd ala Luke Chadwick and Nicky Butt.
Hopefully he wont be struggling with us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
If Wellbeck isn't good enough for ManYoo, why would he be good enough for Arsenal?

Same reason as why Sturridge wasn't deemed good enough for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 22, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 07:26:35 PM
He'll probably end up at Arsenal and do well there.

Why Arsenal? It feels like people suggest them all the time as somewhere every striker in the world would do well at.

It was an opinion and i don't really hear of the every striker part, maybe it's just you.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
Good answer Goldie however I think he is very average.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
I see Welbeck as a modern version of Heskey, he'll always work hard and his teammates will appreciate it but he'll never score many, he just doesn't have that instinct around the box.  Not a bad player but not one I'd be looking to bring it to help out our creative/goal-scoring requirements.

I can see what you mean, but Welbeck’s got a much better touch and awareness than Heskey ever did, which makes him much more of asset in the formation that we rend to play, with 2 guys playing either side of a central striker. Granted, he's not prolific, but I think he'd weigh-in with his fair share of assists in that position.

I wouldn't be keen to spend £15m on him (nor, I’m sure, would Randy), but as a loan option I think he’d be a massive upgrade on Weimann or Agbonlahor.

25 assists in 179 games, playing alongside 2 of the most prolific strikers in the league for most of that time.

Gabby 52 assists in 329 games.
Weimann 18 assists in 148 games.

His record doesn't set him massively ahead of either. If he was £3-4m and £25k p/w then I'd be ok with it, the cost in fee and wages is massively out of line with what he'd bring.

I'd be interested to see games converted into minutes, as I doubt Welbeck has started (or completed) anywhere near as many games as those 2.

That said, I completely agree that he's highly unlikely to be cheap, or present a great amount of value for money.

Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2014, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2014, 07:11:56 PM
I'd be interested to see games converted into minutes, as I doubt Welbeck has started (or completed) anywhere near as many games as those 2.

That said, I completely agree that he's highly unlikely to be cheap, or present a great amount of value for money.

Welbeck
1 goal every 302mins
1 assist every 447mins

Gabby
1 goal every 340mins
1 assist every 503mins

Weimann
1 goal every 204mins
1 assist every 545mins

Gabby is a little behind the other 2 but there's nothing much between Weimann and Welbeck.  Gabby's stats have gone backwards last season.

I must say, I'm surprised by Weimann's stats. That's a better than 1 in 3 ratio, when you look at it that way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2014, 07:22:39 AM
Wilson won't be steering his wheels to VP according to Mark Hughes. Relief. Now let's thump the Jawdies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: jeowje on August 23, 2014, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2014, 07:22:39 AM
Wilson won't be steering his wheels to VP according to Mark Hughes. Relief. Now let's thump the Jawdies.

Made me chuckle again!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2014, 08:03:28 AM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
If Wellbeck isn't good enough for ManYoo, why would he be good enough for Arsenal?

Same reason as why Sturridge wasn't deemed good enough for Chelsea.
Sturridge was deemed not good enough so went to a team lower down the table.

If Wellbeck isn't good enough for a seventh place team I don't see why the fourth placed team is going to sign him, particularly when they've spent £35m on a player this summer who plays in a similar position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
Wellbeing, completely over-rated, not coming to Villa. No links to our wonderful football club so why are we talking about him? Will sign for someone like Hull, Southampton or QPR. Woy plays him because he's a twat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on August 23, 2014, 09:52:28 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 23, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
Wellbeing, completely over-rated, not coming to Villa.

I know it's been a tough few years mate, but chin up! You never know what's around the corner!

;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 23, 2014, 10:09:31 AM
I'd say Roy picks Wellbeck occasionally because of the dearth of English strikers. Who else is he going to pick apart from Rooney, Sturridge, Lambert and Wellbeck?

Agreed that we're not signing him though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2014, 10:16:33 AM
He's also got a perfectly decent scoring record for England.

This decade's Darius Vassell.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2014, 02:32:33 PM
Controversial but I think Cleverly would be a good signing for us. Whilst clearly not the saviour the media claimed, he would still complement delph and Carlos well IMO.

The mirror reckon he is available on loan. Presumably quite cheap too as LVG wants to see him playing every week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 23, 2014, 02:40:06 PM
Well, United are paying for Nani to be playing at Sporting Lisbon, so I'd assume they'd extend that kindness to Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 23, 2014, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2014, 02:32:33 PM
Controversial but I think Cleverly would be a good signing for us. Whilst clearly not the saviour the media claimed, he would still complement delph and Carlos well IMO.

The mirror reckon he is available on loan. Presumably quite cheap too as LVG wants to see him playing every week.

Westwood is better.

We need some creativity not another plodder who passes side ways or back
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
Cleverly isn't a bad player. For me a bit like Darren Gibson of Everton. He's done really well up there and is very popular. Neither are super exciting but they do a good and honest job when called upon. Is it what we need to unlock defences though? Never struck me as that type of player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 23, 2014, 03:07:06 PM
 No to Cleverley, yes to Dembele.

 Wellbeck?....prefer Danny Ings, think he will become a very good player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 23, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 23, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
Wellbeing, completely over-rated, not coming to Villa. No links to our wonderful football club so why are we talking about him? Will sign for someone like Hull, Southampton or QPR. Woy plays him because he's a twat.

So that he can stop scoring against us might be one reason!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kipeye on August 23, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Having just watched Houlihan boss the midfield for Norwich v Ipswich, I wonder why we did not got back for him in the summer. Anyone know?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2014, 03:52:53 PM
Lambert would struggle to buy fresh air from Norwich.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 23, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 23, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
Cleverly isn't a bad player. For me a bit like Darren Gibson of Everton. He's done really well up there and is very popular. Neither are super exciting but they do a good and honest job when called upon. Is it what we need to unlock defences though? Never struck me as that type of player.

Gibson or Cleverly aren't as good as our current midfield
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 23, 2014, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: kipeye on August 23, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Having just watched Houlihan boss the midfield for Norwich v Ipswich, I wonder why we did not got back for him in the summer. Anyone know?

He is Barry Bannan in disguise but 5 years older.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
Cleverly is awful.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 23, 2014, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
Cleverly is awful.

I would not say he is that bad but no better than we have got.  As an average player it is easier to look better in a better team when you deficiencies are not exposed so much.

We do not want to be adding to the squad players that are not better as you end up like we did with MON purchases towards the end.  We want to add players that give you something different.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2014, 04:15:02 PM
Indeed OMVF, just adding more of the same "quality' is where we went wrong last year.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on August 23, 2014, 04:51:32 PM
A solid defence is always a good starting point for improvement, so it's difficult to be upset with our start to the season. We still look so poor from a creative point of view though, and I was very surprised to see Bent coming on rather than Joe Cole - why bother with him at all if not to make the difference in games like this? But perhaps he is not fit enough to play.

Our three best players today, in my opinion, were Cissokho, Hutton and Richardson, which does reflect rather well on Lambert. Our worst players today were Weimann and Agbonlahor and I would be over the moon, Clive, if they were replaced as soon as possible.

Credit to Vlaar and Senderos, too, who I thought might struggle against the guile of some of Newcastle's players. I was wrong about that, they looked very comfortable indeed. I honestly can't remember Reveille (sp?) doing anything of note at all.

Overall, not too bad at all.

Edit: Bah! Wrong thread!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 23, 2014, 05:08:40 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 23, 2014, 03:07:06 PM
No to Cleverley, yes to Dembele.

 Wellbeck?....prefer Danny Ings, think he will become a very good player.
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Isnt Dembele just like Sanchez?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 23, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
 No, better at going forward, more similar to Delph imho.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on August 24, 2014, 12:23:19 AM
Striker is essential for me, the fact the ball doesn't stick up front for more than 3 seconds puts so much pressure on the midfield and defence.

Benteke & Kozak have had the type of injuries that it would be unfair to expect them to come back firing on all cylinders.  Gabby is utterly pointless nowadays & Weimman just seems to run around getting angry and is good for half a dozen goals a season max.

If being greedy then the other new signing needs to be someone who takes a decent corner...Westwood taking them is about as good as those kicking at the target at halftime
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on August 24, 2014, 01:38:30 AM
It seems that strengthening the defence was the immediate priority and looking at the performance against Newcastle that has been achieved, it would be a pity if we didn't bolster the forward structure as we looked totally lost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 24, 2014, 01:45:50 AM
My opinion we still need to be buying midfield. We have some good striking options and more to come back, but our midfield remains too lightweight. We need upgrades on Westwood & Delph. Or at least someone to put more pressure on them for places.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 02:11:29 AM
Our biggest issue is Gabby and Weimann, who seem nailed on starters. We would be way, way better off if we signed couple of pacey, tricky options in those positions. There is little point getting a centre forward the way we set up, as we have 2 coming back that are idea. It is the players off that striker that are the issue now. NZogbia is ok, but still not ideal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:22:43 AM
For all the criticisms of Gabby it's NZog who needs to be shipped out. Lots of running around but with no end product.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 08:27:37 AM
Zog had a much better game than gabby yesterday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
Not at all. He ran around a lot doing nothing whereas Gabby tried to be an outlet. That he didn't receive the ball often is a different thing altogether. Plus, Coloccini plays well against gabby and marks him extremely tightly as he did the last few years at Villa Park when he's played through the middle. I thought NZog was poor yesterday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 09:23:34 AM
I can't agree. The point is Zog made himself available and tried to make something happen. Gabby was on his heels and rarely looked to run into the space. First half Zog was our most likely source of creating a goal. Second he faded badly, but then he has been out for an entire season so it is to be expected surely! Gabby on the other hand remained anaemic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
Someone on VT saying were getting Welbeck on loan this week.
Would take him in a heartbeat over starting Weimann or Gabby
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2014, 10:15:49 AM
Are they indeed


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 24, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
Wellbeck is an intelligent and underrated player and is certainly good enough to get in our current team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
No chance on Welbeck. Surely not? With Benteke coming back, I'm not sure he would want to sit on our bench. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 24, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
Not at all. He ran around a lot doing nothing whereas Gabby tried to be an outlet. That he didn't receive the ball often is a different thing altogether. Plus, Coloccini plays well against gabby and marks him extremely tightly as he did the last few years at Villa Park when he's played through the middle. I thought NZog was poor yesterday.

Pretty much agree with that although I think we should take into account that N'Zogbia is coming back from a long term injury so should be cut some slack. Gabby and Andi are both more suited to playing with a main striker who will hold the ball and allow them to work off him. I think the way we play at present is dictated by injuries and means they are not going to see a lot of the ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2014, 10:35:53 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
Someone on VT saying were getting Welbeck on loan this week.
Would take him in a heartbeat over starting Weimann or Gabby

The mod on there who is usually very reliable with his info has pooh poohed it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fasth56 on August 24, 2014, 10:40:36 AM
Yesterday I thought the starting lineup was all wrong. I am in agreement with PW, I thought CNZ contribution was minimal at best. If we had started with Gabby out wide and Bent in the middle we would have strengthened the two weak areas we had. With Bent on in the first half the crosses cissoko put in at least someone might have been in the penalty area trying to get on the end of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on August 24, 2014, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 24, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
No chance on Welbeck. Surely not? With Benteke coming back, I'm not sure he would want to sit on our bench.

Welbeck isn't a bad player really. He would easily fill Benteke's gap in the side then when Big Ben is back he can play LW.

For games against the top 6 and away from home he would be a very useful player in the side. He's a big game player as well.

I'd take him on loan I think as it gives us more options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 24, 2014, 11:31:42 AM
Can't believe people are saying Welbeck isn't good enough for us
Anyone would think we are Newcastle United
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2014, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: Smirker on August 24, 2014, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 24, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
No chance on Welbeck. Surely not? With Benteke coming back, I'm not sure he would want to sit on our bench.

Welbeck isn't a bad player really. He would easily fill Benteke's gap in the side then when Big Ben is back he can play LW.

For games against the top 6 and away from home he would be a very useful player in the side. He's a big game player as well.

I'd take him on loan I think as it gives us more options.

Agreed. I like him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
He wouldn't be our best centre-forward, but he would be our best wide-forward.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2014, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
He wouldn't be our best centre-forward, but he would be our best wide-forward.

Indeed. He's no world-beater, but he wouldn't have to be to improve us quite a bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 24, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
 Wellbeck's problem is that he struggles to score. In other areas of the game he is very good. I like him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 24, 2014, 11:55:26 AM
Can't understand all the critcism for Zog,considering he's been out for a year he was our biggest threat on goal and came closest to scoring.He tired in the second half and got booked so Lambert made the right call taking him off.If Cissoko hadn't got injured either Grealish or Cole for Gabby or Weimann ( on a yellow) would have been the last throw of the dice.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 24, 2014, 12:01:21 PM
I wouldn't play Gabby and Weimann together, I'd start with Weimann and Cole or Grealish and bring on Gabby for the last 20/30 minutes to run at a tiring defence.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 24, 2014, 12:03:11 PM
Torn. On one hand, I hate the way the loan system operates within one's own division. The sort of thing, I feel, we as a club should deem "beneath us".
On the other, Wellbeck could do a job for us right now, and would be good alongside CB.
But if LVG is looking at a bit of a clear-out, I'd be a little surprised if he let players out on loan without some sort of future purchase clause included. It's not like he'd be coming to get some first-team experience, and he'd have to be fkn shit-hot for us for it to be considered a "shop window" move.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 24, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on August 24, 2014, 11:55:26 AM
Can't understand all the critcism for Zog,considering he's been out for a year he was our biggest threat on goal and came closest to scoring.He tired in the second half and got booked so Lambert made the right call taking him off.If Cissoko hadn't got injured either Grealish or Cole for Gabby or Weimann ( on a yellow) would have been the last throw of the dice.

I've never rated Zog, always been a major critic of his in the same way others have a intolerance to KEA no matter what he does
But when he was substituted yesterday I was disappointed, so he must have had a good game in my opinion
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 24, 2014, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: john e on August 24, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on August 24, 2014, 11:55:26 AM
Can't understand all the critcism for Zog,considering he's been out for a year he was our biggest threat on goal and came closest to scoring.He tired in the second half and got booked so Lambert made the right call taking him off.If Cissoko hadn't got injured either Grealish or Cole for Gabby or Weimann ( on a yellow) would have been the last throw of the dice.

I've never rated Zog, always been a major critic of his in the same way others have a intolerance to KEA no matter what he does
But when he was substituted yesterday I was disappointed, so he must have had a good game in my opinion

I think he was taken off because he was shattered. I sat in the Trinity enclosure and you could see on his face that he was finished. He's still not match fit yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 24, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
Not at all. He ran around a lot doing nothing whereas Gabby tried to be an outlet. That he didn't receive the ball often is a different thing altogether. Plus, Coloccini plays well against gabby and marks him extremely tightly as he did the last few years at Villa Park when he's played through the middle. I thought NZog was poor yesterday.

Pretty much agree with that although I think we should take into account that N'Zogbia is coming back from a long term injury so should be cut some slack. Gabby and Andi are both more suited to playing with a main striker who will hold the ball and allow them to work off him. I think the way we play at present is dictated by injuries and means they are not going to see a lot of the ball.

Agree with you both. Just mentioned something similar on the Post Match thread. I think it's not so much the injuries as the lack of a plan but hopefully that will soon be corrected.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 24, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Wellbeck would be a big improvement on Gabby & Weimann, I would welcome him into our team but there's not a chance in hell he's coming to VP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
Enough of this chat, sign dembele and Kagawa and be done with all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2014, 02:22:25 PM
I don't think Welbeck is coming at all. But he's a clear level above gabby and Weimann. It's not just goal threat we lack, it's quality. He could play up top till benteke returns then either behind him or wide
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2014, 02:23:50 PM
While not a fan of Wellbeck he'd have scored yesterday just by being in the box for some of the crosses we delivered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 24, 2014, 03:01:39 PM
Who on here would trade Wellbeck for Weimann? Obviously not a straight swap but I'm talking buying one and selling the other.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on August 24, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
I would , I think Welbeck wins on his all round game for me over Weiman and Gabby
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2014, 04:29:49 PM
I'm not a huge Welbeck fan but he is plenty good enough for where we are at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
As we don't know when Benteke or Kozak are back i'd take Welbeck on loan for a few months. At least we'd have another option to Gabby and Andi.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
As we don't know when Benteke or Kozak are back i'd take Welbeck on loan for a few months. At least we'd have another option to Gabby and Andi.

Given our position in things these days, and inability or unwillingness to spend much, I'd agree with this.

It wouldn't be a deal to set pulses racing but it'd be better than relying on Gabby and Weimann for any longer than we need to.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Welbeck on loan would be just fine. A no brainer really. Just make sure he goes back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 05:43:46 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:22:43 AM
For all the criticisms of Gabby it's NZog who needs to be shipped out. Lots of running around but with no end product.

He's just come back from a years injury, he needs some match time at least and came closer to scoring than gabby .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: john e on August 24, 2014, 11:31:42 AM
Can't believe people are saying Welbeck isn't good enough for us
Anyone would think we are Newcastle United

Benteke and waldeck up front , might just work. Maybe ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 05:46:29 PM
Bloody txt prediction
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2014, 05:46:37 PM
Benni McCarthy on loan.  Imminent apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 05:48:16 PM
Does he sign before or after Placios?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 05:49:19 PM
After juniho
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 05:50:32 PM
In other news there may be more available from manure as they have agreed £64M (SIXTY f in FOUR MILLION POUNDS... world's gone mad) for Di Maria.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2014, 05:50:48 PM
Ironic isn't it the one time we could do with him we aren't even linked with him. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 05:58:59 PM
£60+m, mental.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2014, 06:00:41 PM
Question then.  If by some chance and I know people think he isn't good enough for them, but if they offered £20m for Ron would you take it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
If they do get Di Maria that would be over £100m on two wingers when you consider they got mugged by Chelsea for Mata. Mental and then some
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 24, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
No
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 24, 2014, 06:25:03 PM
Yeah he is good. Imagine a pacey very skinny Nzogbia who never takes on a man too many.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Di Maria is a very good player, but I can't help thinking that Man United are not going to sufficiently solve their problems by spending 65m on a single player.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 24, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 24, 2014, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Di Maria is a very good player, but I can't help thinking that Man United are not going to sufficiently solve their problems by spending 65m on a single player.


Who happens to play in the same position as all the good players that they currently have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Di Maria is a very good player, but I can't help thinking that Man United are not going to sufficiently solve their problems by spending 65m on a single player.
I looked up Panic Buy in the Dictionary. It said Di Maria £65m.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 07:12:33 PM
Di Maria is decent, but not brilliant. He is very hit and miss. In the madness of this summer, £25 million would be fair. 65 million is frankly bloomin madness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 24, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good

You've honestly never seen him play?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on August 24, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
Van Gaal seems to be buying McLaren spares to fix a Datsun
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 07:44:42 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on August 24, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
Van Gaal seems to be buying McLaren spares to fix a Datsun

That is it, perfectly put.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: berneboy on August 24, 2014, 07:46:51 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on August 24, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
Van Gaal seems to be buying McLaren spares to fix a Datsun

So succinct and great imagery. Excellent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 24, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
I haven't heard of him either. Mind you, my football knowledge dropped significantly after giving up playing FIFA on X box in 2007.
I was almost Tim Lovejoyesque in my ability for spotting talented Italian 2nd division players in those days.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DB on August 24, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good

I think he can at times be brilliant but most of the time he's poor, bad passes, poor execution....then my Spanish mate reckons he's class.  Too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: DB on August 24, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good

I think he can at times be brilliant but most of the time he's poor, bad passes, poor execution....then my Spanish mate reckons he's class.  Too inconsistent.

I don't follow foreign football to any huge degree, but watching him play in the CL from time to time, and for Argentina, he strikes me as a very good player.

65m worth? I don't know.

Should Man United be focusing on one player in particular rather than improving 6 or 7 positions? Absolutely not.

Excellent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:00:59 PM
I think Di Maria is an excellent player. But when i saw the back 3 for Man U last week it was clear they'd be struggling. Who's B;lackett anyway? Youth? new signing? Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
This will make around £140m they have spent so far this summer. It will be very very funny if after spending that they remain average.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
This will make around £140m they have spent so far this summer. It will be very very funny if after spending that they remain average.

They're going to need several other players in, too, just to be even remotely good enough.

I am even starting to think that we could take points from them this season. Seriously.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
This will make around £140m they have spent so far this summer. It will be very very funny if after spending that they remain average.

They're going to need several other players in, too, just to be even remotely good enough.

I am even starting to think that we could take points from them this season. Seriously.

Steady on! They could be bottom of the league and the feckers will still stroll away from VP with 3 points.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
This will make around £140m they have spent so far this summer. It will be very very funny if after spending that they remain average.

They're going to need several other players in, too, just to be even remotely good enough.

I am even starting to think that we could take points from them this season. Seriously.

Steady on! They could be bottom of the league and the feckers will still stroll away from VP with 3 points.

To be fair, you're probably right.

if there was a way for them to go away with more than three points, they'd probably find it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
If you gave me 150 million, Shaw, herera, di maria and Rojo would not be on my list to improve that squad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2014, 08:12:41 PM
I'd have bought a couple of holding midfielders, some full backs and a centre half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 08:19:13 PM
Right back, left back both in the 10-12 million range where you will get a 22-25 year old that would be solid, dependable and be a vast improvement on what you have got already, 2 holding midfielders, an attacking central midifelder that I would have spent the bulk of the money on, a rock solid centre half and a big, Benteke like centre forward, probably Mandzukic who would have come before Atletico got in there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villan from luton on August 24, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
I dont give a shite who they buy so long as it is not Vlaar, but I reckon they will be in for him. Two lads playing most of the game in centre defence with 3 games between them and one of them (Blackett) was blooded at the sty on loan apparently. As for Villa, would love a wide player to come in and I will be very happy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 08:28:15 PM
King Kenny levels of money squandering , this is superb.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
Van Gaal knows he doesn't have the luxury of time afforded to Ferguson to rebuild Man U. He needs to make an instant impact because if he cannot turn it around this season Man U could find themselves falling further behind. Liverpool found that and it's taken them years to get back. Not saying that would happen for sure but the competition and spending at the top end won't make it easy for them to close the gap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on August 24, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
I dont give a shite who they buy so long as it is not Vlaar, but I reckon they will be in for him. Two lads playing most of the game in centre defence with 3 games between them and one of them (Blackett) was blooded at the sty on loan apparently. As for Villa, would love a wide player to come in and I will be very happy.
Well if they come in for vlaar how about we say Young, Wellbeck + £7.5m ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2014, 08:40:09 PM
personally it would be no, no and no
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 24, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
If you gave me 150 million, Shaw, herera, di maria and Rojo would not be on my list to improve that squad.

Especially when you consider you could land Sami Khedira and Nigel De Jong for about £20m.  Those two would improve their midfield substantially.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 24, 2014, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 08:36:33 PM
Well if they come in for vlaar how about we say Young, Wellbeck + £7.5m ?

It wouldn't be the worst deal in the world, apart from the fact it would leave a big gaping hole in the centre of our defence. As it stands, I think Vlaar is worth keeping for the rest of his contract and then readdress the defensive situation we have next summer, by which time I'm sure (I hope) we have an new owner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on August 24, 2014, 09:23:34 PM
Maybe van Gaal has a thing about being a counter-intuitive genius. I guess if it all goes tits-up he can stomp off and say that nobody understood his blue-sky unorthodox brilliance. Like playing Ashley Young in defence with Susan Boyle, Charles Kennedy and Keanu Reeves
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
Lambert said yesterday Vlaar won't be sold while he is Manager so he is either definitely staying or Keano will be boss on 1st September!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on August 24, 2014, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
Lambert said yesterday Vlaar won't be sold while he is Manager so he is either definitely staying or Keano will be boss on 1st September!

Doesn't lambert's contract run out at the same time as Vlaar's? Apologies if this has already been said
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 24, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 24, 2014, 08:12:41 PM
I'd have bought a couple of holding midfielders, some full backs and a centre half.

I'd buy eight left-backs.

All the best,

Paul Lambert
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
Lambert said yesterday Vlaar won't be sold while he is Manager so he is either definitely staying or Keano will be boss on 1st September!
Was having a good day til I read that. Gulp.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
If you gave me 150 million, Shaw, herera, di maria and Rojo would not be on my list to improve that squad.
If you gave me £150M I will be posting from a South Pacific island!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
If you gave me 150 million, Shaw, herera, di maria and Rojo would not be on my list to improve that squad.
If you gave me £150M I will be posting from a South Pacific island!

Which you would own.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 24, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 24, 2014, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
If you gave me 150 million, Shaw, herera, di maria and Rojo would not be on my list to improve that squad.
If you gave me £150M I will be posting from a South Pacific island!
🎈
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2014, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 24, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good

You've honestly never seen him play?


No . Obviously never stood out for me
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 25, 2014, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: damon loves JT on August 24, 2014, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
Lambert said yesterday Vlaar won't be sold while he is Manager so he is either definitely staying or Keano will be boss on 1st September!

Doesn't lambert's contract run out at the same time as Vlaar's? Apologies if this has already been said

I doubt right now Lambert wants an extended contract. Quit will the going is good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2014, 07:00:27 AM
It will be a shame if Van Gaal does do one. I should think every crimper in Manchester is at scissors drawn with each other to do something with that comedy hair. In the same way as he wants lateral new skool football thinking, perhaps he sees himself, from the ears upwards at least as the Not Bobby Charlton.  As for his teeth, they are what you might expect in the face of a manager of Stoke or Port Vale. Bone china.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 07:36:51 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2014, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 24, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good

You've honestly never seen him play?


No . Obviously never stood out for me

I went to watch Real Madrid V AC Milan In the champions league a few years ago. He scored, and was absolutely brilliant. He is a top player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 25, 2014, 07:43:15 AM
Regardless of what Lambert says, I have a horrible feeling that at about 23.45 on deadline day, Van Gaal comes a knocking with a large bid for Ronny boy, he wants to play his system and it is apparent the players he currently has can not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 08:10:59 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 25, 2014, 07:43:15 AM
Regardless of what Lambert says, I have a horrible feeling that at about 23.45 on deadline day, Van Gaal comes a knocking with a large bid for Ronny boy, he wants to play his system and it is apparent the players he currently has can not.
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Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 25, 2014, 07:43:15 AM
Regardless of what Lambert says, I have a horrible feeling that at about 23.45 on deadline day, Van Gaal comes a knocking with a large bid for Ronny boy, he wants to play his system and it is apparent the players he currently has can not.

If it's 23.45 that's fine. Definitely doesn't leave enough time to get the deal done!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 25, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
Ahmadi off then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 08:59:42 AM
I'd expect Karim El-Ahmadi to leave before the deadline. Doubt we need a replacement. I'd rather give Gardner a run.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
There's a guy on Twitter who call himself 'Midlands Agent' or something, and he reckons KEA's signed for Feyenoord.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
There's a guy on Twitter who call himself 'Midlands Agent' or something, and he reckons KEA's signed for Feyenoord.

I'd say he's 99.999999999% certainly a bullshitter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 25, 2014, 10:12:25 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 25, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
There's a guy on Twitter who call himself 'Midlands Agent' or something, and he reckons KEA's signed for Feyenoord.

I'd say he's 99.999999999% certainly a bullshitter.

There's a guy works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: levico on August 25, 2014, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: john e on August 25, 2014, 10:12:25 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 25, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
There's a guy on Twitter who call himself 'Midlands Agent' or something, and he reckons KEA's signed for Feyenoord.

I'd say he's 99.999999999% certainly a bullshitter.

There's a guy works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis

No that really is Elvis. He can't keep away from the smell of rancid fat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2014, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 07:36:51 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2014, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 24, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Ive never see this de Maria play

Is he that good

You've honestly never seen him play?


No . Obviously never stood out for me

I went to watch Real Madrid V AC Milan In the champions league a few years ago. He scored, and was absolutely brilliant. He is a top player.

Ok put him down for me , ill try and tell Randy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:35:04 AM
There are also a few Twatter rumours about us being in for an Austrian international called Zlatko Junuzović, from Werder Bremen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
There's only one guy on twitter who I'd take any notice of and that's the harj guy who called the sanchez and Tonev deals first

I don't know who the hell he is but I'll go with track record. Doesn't seem to throw loads of names out there

Oh and Julie b obviously. I admire her sanity
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 25, 2014, 10:44:02 AM
Di Maria is a fantastic cheat too. Should do well with Ashley Young.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 25, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:41:42 AM

Oh and Julie b obviously. I admire her sanity

She's clearly got problems. We shouldn't be taking the piss.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 25, 2014, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 25, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:41:42 AM

Oh and Julie b obviously. I admire her sanity

She's clearly got problems. We shouldn't be taking the piss.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 25, 2014, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:35:04 AM
There are also a few Twatter rumours about us being in for an Austrian international called Zlatko Junuzović, from Werder Bremen.

A few sites are saying we are interested , this is from www.eyefootball.com

Aston Villa chase Austrian midfielder Zlatko Junuzovic
August 24, 2014 09:10 GMT (UK), by Ketan Patel (Google+

Aston Villa have set to make a bid for Austrian international midfielder Zlatko Junuzovic. The versatile attacker, who is comfortable playing on the wings or alone up front, has been recommended by Villa star Andreas Weimann.
Junuzovic, who has struggled to reproduce the form shown in his homeland at Austria Vienna at current club Werder Bremen, has been told he is free to leave the Bundesliga club for a fee of around 3.85 million euros.

Junuzovic has 32 caps for his country and the 26-year-old is desperate to make a move to the Premier League. Villa manager Paul Lambert is set to spend the entire remainder of his transfer budget to bring in the forward before the 2014/15 summer transfer window comes to a close on August 31st .

Looks talented on youtube but then , so do a lot of Players !


.............................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 08:59:42 AM
I'd expect Karim El-Ahmadi to leave before the deadline. Doubt we need a replacement. I'd rather give Gardner a run.

I think this is too much of a risk.  KEA needs to be replaced. Him and Delph are quite similar, with Delph being a better version so I would like something different in there, a midfield general, a better version of Westwood if you like. If they just happen to be a good tackler, so be it.  A tricky winger would be great too as I think, with a better defence and defensive midfield, he could have the freedom of Villa Park.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 25, 2014, 11:25:34 AM
In what way are El Ahmadi and Delph similar?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: thick_mike on August 25, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
Watching that video really reminded me of when I watched that video of Tonev.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: onje_villa on August 25, 2014, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on August 25, 2014, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:35:04 AM
There are also a few Twatter rumours about us being in for an Austrian international called Zlatko Junuzović, from Werder Bremen.

A few sites are saying we are interested , this is from www.eyefootball.com

Aston Villa chase Austrian midfielder Zlatko Junuzovic
August 24, 2014 09:10 GMT (UK), by Ketan Patel (Google+

Aston Villa have set to make a bid for Austrian international midfielder Zlatko Junuzovic. The versatile attacker, who is comfortable playing on the wings or alone up front, has been recommended by Villa star Andreas Weimann.
Junuzovic, who has struggled to reproduce the form shown in his homeland at Austria Vienna at current club Werder Bremen, has been told he is free to leave the Bundesliga club for a fee of around 3.85 million euros.

Junuzovic has 32 caps for his country and the 26-year-old is desperate to make a move to the Premier League. Villa manager Paul Lambert is set to spend the entire remainder of his transfer budget to bring in the forward before the 2014/15 summer transfer window comes to a close on August 31st .

Looks talented on youtube but then , so do a lot of Players !


.............................Godzvilla!

Looks great, so Tonev MKII then! Doesn't pass much.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:42:31 AM
Of all the players we've been linked to recently, Salah is by far and away the most exciting one. Really hope there's some truth in that one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on August 25, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
A few scuffed ones and deflections. Looks like he's got a great record against Salzburg, maybe we could draw them in a cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 25, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
Watching that video really reminded me of when I watched that video of Tonev.

Reading that he's been vouched for by a Villa player and a compatriot reminded me of when Stan Petrov scouted Tonev,
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !! Think Gabby would be a great impact player but we need a striker preferably on loan to add to the Gabby-Weimann pairing. If Benteke or Kozak broke down in the next few weeks it's a lot of matches up until January !!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 12:37:32 PM
Kagawa's obviously surplus at Man Utd. Dreamworld, but he'd be perfect.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2014, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 12:37:32 PM
Kagawa's obviously surplus at Man Utd. Dreamworld, but he'd be perfect.

He's the type that you have a punt on right before the window closes in the hopes that if you do make a deal with United (and they probably wouldn't mind recouping some cash), nobody else has the time to get something done. And if you can't get a permanent deal done, take him on loan for a year and look to do the same as what Everton did with Barry and Lukaku.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 25, 2014, 01:03:18 PM
The worry about waiting for Benteke and Kozak and we will be ok is what if they take longer than expected to regain full fitness or they get injured again.  Although they are two players, in my mind they are playing for one place in the side.  With the poor form of the other forwards in what matters, scoring goals, we need to bring a couple of players in.  I think we should be looking at loans as we can get better players with what we are willing to outlay.  One of those players needs to be a forward that can play out wide.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 25, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
There's a guy on Twitter who call himself 'Midlands Agent' or something, and he reckons KEA's signed for Feyenoord.

NewsNow reporting that Feyenoord are expecting to sign KEA on a multi-year Contract some time this week .
http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Midfielder-move-on-after-Dutch-enquiry-/X1Y2Z1795591?
..................................Godzvilla!.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
And you all doubted 'Midlands Agent'!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 25, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
Watching that video really reminded me of when I watched that video of Tonev.

Reading that he's been vouched for by a Villa player and a compatriot reminded me of when Stan Petrov scouted Tonev,

It's a bit odd that Weimann would recommend a player that would potentially take his place in the team. He must be shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on August 25, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
There's a guy on Twitter who call himself 'Midlands Agent' or something, and he reckons KEA's signed for Feyenoord.

NewsNow reporting that Feyenoord are expecting to sign KEA on a multi-year Contract some time this week .
http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Midfielder-move-on-after-Dutch-enquiry-/X1Y2Z1795591?
..................................Godzvilla!.

If that is happening, Palacios for a small fee would make sense. Sanchez has only played half an hour for us and already has one booking, he's bound to pick up suspensions along the way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.
There wouldn't be a great deal more to it from last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Secondo quanto riportato dal Resto del Carlino, sarebbe in atto una trattativa tra Bologna e Aston Villa per l'attaccante Robert Acquafresca. Il giocatore venerdģ sera era a Cagliari per vedere la sfida di coppa Italia tra i padroni di casa e il Catania e sicuramente non rientra pił nei piani tecnico-economici del Bologna. Se Fusco riuscirą a liberarsi del suo ingaggio pesante allora si potrebbe poi operare in maniera pił decisa sul mercato per rafforzare l'attacco.

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ENGAccording to what is reported from the rest of the Toorak, it would be a deal between Bologna and Aston Villa for the striker Robert Acquafresca. The player on friday night was in Cagliari to see the challenge of the Coppa Italia between the hosts and the Catania and certainly does not fit more in the plans technical-economic of the Bologna. If Fusco will be able to get rid of her engagement heavy then you could then operate in a more decided on the market to strengthen the attachment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Secondo quanto riportato dal Resto del Carlino, sarebbe in atto una trattativa tra Bologna e Aston Villa per l'attaccante Robert Acquafresca. Il giocatore venerdģ sera era a Cagliari per vedere la sfida di coppa Italia tra i padroni di casa e il Catania e sicuramente non rientra pił nei piani tecnico-economici del Bologna. Se Fusco riuscirą a liberarsi del suo ingaggio pesante allora si potrebbe poi operare in maniera pił decisa sul mercato per rafforzare l'attacco.

Online Translation;

ENGAccording to what is reported from the rest of the Toorak, it would be a deal between Bologna and Aston Villa for the striker Robert Acquafresca. The player on friday night was in Cagliari to see the challenge of the Coppa Italia between the hosts and the Catania and certainly does not fit more in the plans technical-economic of the Bologna. If Fusco will be able to get rid of her engagement heavy then you could then operate in a more decided on the market to strengthen the attachment.

Cracking surname. He sounds like a toothpaste.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2014, 02:05:57 PM
With the right editing you could make a video of any player and make them look quality or shit. Baker could be made to look great, Messi to look crap.

Gabby could be made to look top class, power, pace, finishing, virtually unplayable. When the reality is you get that Gabby 3 or 4 times a season now if you're lucky.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 25, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Secondo quanto riportato dal Resto del Carlino, sarebbe in atto una trattativa tra Bologna e Aston Villa per l'attaccante Robert Acquafresca. Il giocatore venerdģ sera era a Cagliari per vedere la sfida di coppa Italia tra i padroni di casa e il Catania e sicuramente non rientra pił nei piani tecnico-economici del Bologna. Se Fusco riuscirą a liberarsi del suo ingaggio pesante allora si potrebbe poi operare in maniera pił decisa sul mercato per rafforzare l'attacco.

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ENGAccording to what is reported from the rest of the Toorak, it would be a deal between Bologna and Aston Villa for the striker Robert Acquafresca. The player on friday night was in Cagliari to see the challenge of the Coppa Italia between the hosts and the Catania and certainly does not fit more in the plans technical-economic of the Bologna. If Fusco will be able to get rid of her engagement heavy then you could then operate in a more decided on the market to strengthen the attachment.

Cracking surname. He sounds like a toothpaste.
Great surname, but hopefully nothing in it. I don't think the solution to our problems is a striker with a 1 in 4 goals to games ratio.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2014, 02:39:46 PM

His goalscoring record leaves a lot to be desired. Right up there with Gabby/Andi
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.
There wouldn't be a great deal more to it from last season.

Yes, bit I didn't have to go back ten years and it would last longer than 53 seconds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on August 25, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:35:04 AM
There are also a few Twatter rumours about us being in for an Austrian international called Zlatko Junuzović, from Werder Bremen.

I bet Z is worth bugger all in Bosnian Scrabble.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 03:08:08 PM
Never heard of this acuafresca guy but I'd be disappointed to say the least. Not featuring in the plans of a serie b side and a poor goal scoring record isn't exactly encouraging

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2014, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 03:08:08 PM
Never heard of this acuafresca guy but I'd be disappointed to say the least. Not featuring in the plans of a serie b side and a poor goal scoring record isn't exactly encouraging



but it is also like a million links we have to players that are completely made up. We were also on the verge of signing Riise last week apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Secondo quanto riportato dal Resto del Carlino, sarebbe in atto una trattativa tra Bologna e Aston Villa per l'attaccante Robert Acquafresca. Il giocatore venerdģ sera era a Cagliari per vedere la sfida di coppa Italia tra i padroni di casa e il Catania e sicuramente non rientra pił nei piani tecnico-economici del Bologna. Se Fusco riuscirą a liberarsi del suo ingaggio pesante allora si potrebbe poi operare in maniera pił decisa sul mercato per rafforzare l'attacco.

Online Translation;

ENGAccording to what is reported from the rest of the Toorak, it would be a deal between Bologna and Aston Villa for the striker Robert Acquafresca. The player on friday night was in Cagliari to see the challenge of the Coppa Italia between the hosts and the Catania and certainly does not fit more in the plans technical-economic of the Bologna. If Fusco will be able to get rid of her engagement heavy then you could then operate in a more decided on the market to strengthen the attachment.

Cracking surname. He sounds like a toothpaste.

Well we've lost Tony Moon, so it would nice to bring in Bob Freshwater.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.
There wouldn't be a great deal more to it from last season.

Yes, bit I didn't have to go back ten years and it would last longer than 53 seconds.

Winning 2 penalties and setting up 2 goals - 1 thanks to a keeper error- wouldn't make much of a show-reel though.

I do actually think there have been a lot of highlights in Gabby's Villa career- his goals against our neighbours, his opening day hat-trick against Man City, his winner at 'The Theatre of Dreams', etc. problem is he doesn't provide them frequently enough to warrant the virtually-guaranteed starting spot that he's had for the last few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.
There wouldn't be a great deal more to it from last season.

Yes, bit I didn't have to go back ten years and it would last longer than 53 seconds.

Winning 2 penalties and setting up 2 goals - 1 thanks to a keeper error- wouldn't make much of a show-reel though.

I do actually think there have been a lot of highlights in Gabby's Villa career- his goals against our neighbours, his opening day hat-trick against Man City, his winner at 'The Theatre of Dreams', etc. problem is he doesn't provide them frequently enough to warrant the virtually-guaranteed starting spot that he's had for the last few years.

And for even longer before he came along, we had nobody who regularly scored in such games.

Still, if you want to massively exaggerate how shit our players are, even our top Premier league goslscorer who's played half his career on the wing, knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
you can make a good case that Gabby no longer has the required tools to start for us in the PL, but he has scored some of the most crucial goals in our recent history. Even not too long ago the two goals at Norwich that essentially guaranteed safety in Lambert's first season. He had a very poor season last year. Of that there is little doubt and you wonder what he has left right now. But to think that his career highlights are somewhat  immaterial or can be condensed to 53 seconds is hugely disrespectful in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.
There wouldn't be a great deal more to it from last season.

Yes, bit I didn't have to go back ten years and it would last longer than 53 seconds.

Winning 2 penalties and setting up 2 goals - 1 thanks to a keeper error- wouldn't make much of a show-reel though.

I do actually think there have been a lot of highlights in Gabby's Villa career- his goals against our neighbours, his opening day hat-trick against Man City, his winner at 'The Theatre of Dreams', etc. problem is he doesn't provide them frequently enough to warrant the virtually-guaranteed starting spot that he's had for the last few years.

And for even longer before he came along, we had nobody who regularly scored in such games.

Still, if you want to massively exaggerate how shit our players are, even our top Premier league goslscorer who's played half his career on the wing, knock yourself out.

Who's "massively exaggerating how shit our players are"? Are you honestly suggesting that you could produce a credible show-reel of Agbonlahor without having to use footage from the entirety of his Villa career.

Agbonlahor is what he is. Brilliant at times but largely inconsistent and frequently let down by his lack of technique. The fact that he's played so many games for us is more telling of where we've been at as a club during the majority of that time, as opposed to how good he's been. The best side he played in was MON's and for most of that time the general consensus on here was that if we'd replaced him with a more prolific player (eg Darren Bent) then we'd have probably made the Champions League.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
Massively exaggerate? Really? Gabby is a legend because he's a one club man and scored some important goals. However, he certainly won't go down in our history as a great player, never to be forgotten, like, say Peter Withe or Gary Shaw. If we had the money, I dare say Gabby and Wiemann would not be regular starters.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 25, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
you can make a good case that Gabby no longer has the required tools to start for us in the PL, but he has scored some of the most crucial goals in our recent history. Even not too long ago the two goals at Norwich that essentially guaranteed safety in Lambert's first season. He had a very poor season last year. Of that there is little doubt and you wonder what he has left right now. But to think that his career highlights are somewhat  immaterial or can be condensed to 53 seconds is hugely disrespectful in my opinion.

You're right, and 53 seconds was a flippant comment. The point I was trying to make is that for someone who's played so many games for us the highlights are spread over a number of years and they're getting less and less frequent. I guess that's why stats like him being our top-scorer since Sky reinvented football are overlooked.

FWIW I was one of the people who thought we'd be crazy to sell him this summer, but I also think we'd be crazy not to look for an alternative option / upgrade as a matter of urgency. That's why I'm baffled when people turn their noses up at the idea of signing Wellbeck.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
Massively exaggerate? Really? Gabby is a legend because he's a one club man and scored some important goals. However, he certainly won't go down in our history as a great player, never to be forgotten, like, say Peter Withe or Gary Shaw. If we had the money, I dare say Gabby and Wiemann would not be regular starters.

Yes, really. The massive exaggeration of how shit he is I was talking about was the idea that his highlights could be condensed into 53 seconds. That's not even one second a goal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I think you are taking things a bit literally. Fans on here are a little fed up with Gabby.  He's not shit. Just not that great.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 25, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I think you are taking things a bit literally. Fans on here are a little fed up with Gabby.  He's not shit. Just not that great.


Talking about taking things literally how can you remain Newby with well over a thousand posts ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 05:48:21 PM
Wellbeck on loan would be massive. Just don't think he would come to Villa Park. Think a European young striker on loan with an option to buy .........
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: john e on August 25, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I think you are taking things a bit literally. Fans on here are a little fed up with Gabby.  He's not shit.


Talking about taking things literally how can you remain Newby with well over a thousand posts ?

Perhaps it's part of my name. Presumably, your might be John?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 25, 2014, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: john e on August 25, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I think you are taking things a bit literally. Fans on here are a little fed up with Gabby.  He's not shit.


Talking about taking things literally how can you remain Newby with well over a thousand posts ?

Perhaps it's part of my name. Presumably, your might be John?

Fair enough, only joshing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 05:50:56 PM
Quote from: john e on August 25, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I think you are taking things a bit literally. Fans on here are a little fed up with Gabby.  He's not shit. Just not that great.


Talking about taking things literally how can you remain Newby with well over a thousand posts ?

Just add "ish" .......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 25, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
I could compile a video that could make Gabby look world class !!
Impossible. ;)

It is possible, but it'd have to span the last 10 years and would last about 53 seconds.

Or you could post highlights from last season's games at Arsenal and Liverpool.

Yeah, to be fair Gabby would have an amazing youtube compilation.  Just annoying he doesn't do it regularly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 25, 2014, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 05:48:21 PM
Wellbeck on loan would be massive. Just don't think he would come to Villa Park. Think a European young striker on loan with an option to buy .........

Massively what? Massively ok?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2014, 06:13:57 PM
Gabby is gabby. He's probably not as good as we'd hope he'd be but in market where Shane Long costs £12 I don't think we can afford better. Or certainly not guarantee 'better' unless we spent well over £10m.

It's not as if he's keeping some superstar out if the team so I don't think he deserves the constant criticism he seems to receive on here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 25, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I think you are taking things a bit literally. Fans on here are a little fed up with Gabby.  He's not shit. Just not that great.

Maybe. It's just that I expect posters to be a bit over the top when when assessing the deficiences of other teams, players and supporters, and the same when talking up our own. Personally, i'm getting a bit fed up of people doing it the other way round.

Just lately the slagging of Gabby and preople showing off about not going to games have done my crust in a bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
Not all fans are pissed off with Gabby.   I like him. I think he is great. He has a Brummie accent and runs fast. I have a shirt with his name on the back.  He scores important goals.   He has a neat song.   Ten years down the line who are you going to be able to say similar things about?   Gary Gardner? Nathan Baker? Andi Weimann? I somehow doubt it.  If Gabby is entering the end game for us, show him the respect he deserves.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2014, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 25, 2014, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 25, 2014, 05:48:21 PM
Wellbeck on loan would be massive. Just don't think he would come to Villa Park. Think a European young striker on loan with an option to buy .........

Massively what? Massively ok?
It's kids speak. It means bostin!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ger Regan on August 25, 2014, 06:25:43 PM
Who's "showing off" about not going to games?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 06:25:48 PM
I just think the obvious thing to do is what Sunderland did last year - take a bit of a chance on a creative player or forward not getting a game at a better side. Borini and ki were vital players for them. Who? Not sure, but some candidates:

Powell, lingard, zaha, Wilson - Man U
Gnabry - arsenal
Van ginkel, salah - Chelsea
Assaidi, borini - Liverpool
Sinclair - man city
Holtby - spurs

I'd much prefer some to others but you'd hope we could get one of them and they'd all give us an option we don't have at the moment.




Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 25, 2014, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2014, 06:13:57 PM
Gabby is gabby. He's probably not as good as we'd hope he'd be but in market where Shane Long costs £12 I don't think we can afford better. Or certainly not guarantee 'better' unless we spent well over £10m.

It's not as if he's keeping some superstar out if the team so I don't think he deserves the constant criticism he seems to receive on here.

To be fair, it's the same market in which Gabby and Darren Bent are taking home something in the region of £120,000 a week between them.  I like Gabby and still think he could do a job if partnered with either Benteke or Kozak.  That said, if those two leave the club for free next summer and free up that kind of money, then I'm not sure how disappointed I would be.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 25, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
A high profile (ish) loanee would be a real boost, and for relatively small beer in terms of financial outlay. I'm seeing Everton are being linked with a loan move for Wellbeck, despite just shelling out 28 mil for another striker. That's what I call ambition.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on August 25, 2014, 06:50:21 PM
We all want Gabby to succeed and we all want him to score more than he does, maybe we don't realise the pressure we put on Gabby to perform. He needs our support if he is ever going to get back to his best, but his best was under a manager that got 'more' out of average players. Hopefully Keane will have a positive impact on his game this season. Time will tell.

In terms of selling him, completely ludicrous idea IMO, he will end up at another Prem team, and probably score against us everytime!

Better to work with him and use his strengths better than we currently are, i.e. use his pace to get us in behind teams to the byline and cause them problems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 25, 2014, 07:00:25 PM
Another Agbonlahor discussion. Great, that never gets boring!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 07:14:08 PM
Can't really discuss Gabby on the Transfer Speculation / Gossip thread. He's never really been linked with a move away. Even in the Young, Downing, Milner era, he still never got much speculation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 07:14:40 PM
Like someone mentioned the other day, the problem with Gabby is that when he's not 100% fit, it shows. With him being in the last year of his contract, it'll be interesting to see how he performs.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
Going on the first 2 games he's probably been our worst performer. So, improvement needed. I look forward to it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2014, 08:45:37 PM
When Gabby is at the peak of his game he can be devastating.

The problem is, the gaps between him showing what he can do are big and getting bigger. Far too many games where he just goes through the motions, offering next to nothing.

I like the fact he is one of us, but I don't think we can afford to carry a player who contributes so little but plays so much.

If he is one of the few players still on MON era big money then he'll no doubt be looking for similar when his contract runs down. I wouldn't be happy to see him picking up anywhere near the 40k a week her is probably on now. He's not worth that much.

If we put him up for sale now, how much interest do we honestly think there would be in him from top flight teams?

I'd be inclined to move him on. It'd be good for both us and him I think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 08:50:42 PM
Paulie, spot on as usual. A top player when on form but at the minute, I doubt if even QPR or Burnley would want him. Funny, as you would think he'd be busting a gut to earn a contract. Unless of course he already knows he's not getting one? We are not a good enough team to be able to carry  players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 25, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
We were linked with this guy last year, as a potential Benteke replacement. Turn the sound down, obv.




With our current forward options, might be worth looking at again.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 09:02:07 PM
It wouldn't shock me if another left back came in actually.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 25, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 06:25:48 PM
I just think the obvious thing to do is what Sunderland did last year - take a bit of a chance on a creative player or forward not getting a game at a better side. Borini and ki were vital players for them. Who? Not sure, but some candidates:

Powell, lingard, zaha, Wilson - Man U
Gnabry - arsenal
Van ginkel, salah - Chelsea
Assaidi, borini - Liverpool
Sinclair - man city
Holtby - spurs

I'd much prefer some to others but you'd hope we could get one of them and they'd all give us an option we don't have at the moment.


This is what is wrong with the Premier League.  Top clubs being able to farm out players to either develop them or just to keep them happy is killing competition outside of 5 or 6 clubs.

Having said that, I do not want my club to stand alone and try and build a team traditionally in the correct way.  We should use the system where it can be most effective for us.  We cannot afford to buy promising strikers or midfield players so should be going to all of the top teams and asking who they would loan out.  I am sure Everton are not waiting to see who is available.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on August 25, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
Maybe putting him on the transfer list is the answer, might shake him out of his comfort zone. I do think part of the problem is his belief he will always be a Villa player no matter what.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 25, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 06:25:48 PM
I just think the obvious thing to do is what Sunderland did last year - take a bit of a chance on a creative player or forward not getting a game at a better side. Borini and ki were vital players for them. Who? Not sure, but some candidates:

Powell, lingard, zaha, Wilson - Man U
Gnabry - arsenal
Van ginkel, salah - Chelsea
Assaidi, borini - Liverpool
Sinclair - man city
Holtby - spurs

I'd much prefer some to others but you'd hope we could get one of them and they'd all give us an option we don't have at the moment.


This is what is wrong with the Premier League.  Top clubs being able to farm out players to either develop them or just to keep them happy is killing competition outside of 5 or 6 clubs.

Having said that, I do not want my club to stand alone and try and build a team traditionally in the correct way.  We should use the system where it can be most effective for us.  We cannot afford to buy promising strikers or midfield players so should be going to all of the top teams and asking who they would loan out.  I am sure Everton are not waiting to see who is available.

I'm not sure it works like that. Manager's have their eye on certain players and enquire about them. I don't like the idea of ringing up a club and saying 'who would you let us have'.? It sounds a bit of a Redknapp way of doing things.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on August 25, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
Maybe putting him on the transfer list is the answer, might shake him out of his comfort zone. I do think part of the problem is his belief he will always be a Villa player no matter what.

I'd start by dropping him for Bent. Then assess it then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on August 25, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 25, 2014, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 25, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 06:25:48 PM
I just think the obvious thing to do is what Sunderland did last year - take a bit of a chance on a creative player or forward not getting a game at a better side. Borini and ki were vital players for them. Who? Not sure, but some candidates:

Powell, lingard, zaha, Wilson - Man U
Gnabry - arsenal
Van ginkel, salah - Chelsea
Assaidi, borini - Liverpool
Sinclair - man city
Holtby - spurs

I'd much prefer some to others but you'd hope we could get one of them and they'd all give us an option we don't have at the moment.


This is what is wrong with the Premier League.  Top clubs being able to farm out players to either develop them or just to keep them happy is killing competition outside of 5 or 6 clubs.

Having said that, I do not want my club to stand alone and try and build a team traditionally in the correct way.  We should use the system where it can be most effective for us.  We cannot afford to buy promising strikers or midfield players so should be going to all of the top teams and asking who they would loan out.  I am sure Everton are not waiting to see who is available.

I'm not sure it works like that. Manager's have their eye on certain players and enquire about them. I don't like the idea of ringing up a club and saying 'who would you let us have'.? It sounds a bit of a Redknapp way of doing things.

I agree with you but I am afraid taking the moral high ground gets you absolutely nowhere in the world of TV dominated football.  Until they ban loans to PL clubs (and what is the chance of that!), we should use the system to the maximum.  A few years ago I was completely against 'selling our souls' but I am getting fed up with being the nice guys.  If there is an advantage, use it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
Bent would give us more goal threat - at least potentially

But we'd have to put more creativity in the midfield. He contributes nothing in the build up and without someone to hit we could well struggle to mount enough attacks. Perhaps in a two. Not convinced by the diamond but we could put cole in behind bent and Weimann / gabby. We'd really lack width though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 25, 2014, 09:30:10 PM
Does a Gabby thread actually exist?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
The one thing that is obvious that all of the main teams have their own bomb squad type of players who have been told they have no future at their current employer. Between now and the close of the window agents will be working the phones pimping their clients. The closer silt comes to the deadline the more desperate it becomes. There are some good players out there too, so it's very much a game of poker. I reckon we'll get one more permanent and one loan before the window closes. If that happens then we'll be in pretty decent shape.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 25, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

Tell her, no beg her, she's lying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2014, 09:32:45 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

Your friends surname isn't Kicks is it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 25, 2014, 09:32:45 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

Your friends surname isn't Kicks is it?

I wish it was.  She's fairly intelligent too. Well, she's a solicitor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 25, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

Tell her, no beg her, she's lying.

I'm trying to get more out of her but she's not answering the phone.

She's devastated for the opposite reason!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on August 25, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

The ticket office could do with some extra bodies behind the counter, sometimes the queues are horrendous...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 25, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on August 25, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

The ticket office could do with some extra bodies behind the counter, sometimes the queues are horrendous...

...with ST returns if we sign that useless lump
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:47:36 PM
Panic over. Just phoned her, She's quoted the sun as her source.

Sorry all!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2014, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

I really hope we're not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2014, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
A good friend of mine is a Bolton fan. She's telling me that we're taking Jay Spearing off them this week.

I really hope we're not.


Panic over. Just phoned her, She's quoted the sun as her source.

Sorry all!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
Spearing makes no sense on a number of levels, principally that he's no good and secondly he's not the type of player we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
Spearing makes no sense on a number of levels, principally that he's no good and secondly he's not the type of player we need.

That's precisely what I said to her. It was quite a funny conversation, she was pissed off and offended that I didn't want him, as she was upset that the prospect of losing him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 10:19:55 PM
We might also be waiting for other clubs to complete their business before they let players go. For example, Holtby leaves Spurs if and when they bring in their targets.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:25:33 PM
That lad from PSV would be ideal at the moment. A young potentially explosive forward that can come in and compete and work to the idea that Benteke will be gone in time if he rediscovers his touch. A winger and a forward do look like priorities with the way we are playing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:30:42 PM
Spurs have got lamela, eriksen, chadli, Lennon and holtby. Not sure if they'll bring in another similar player. Isn't holtby on £50k a week too?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:32:23 PM
I was fancying a late loan of Chadli. Then he goes and looks brilliant yesterday. Bugger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:32:23 PM
I was fancying a late loan of Chadli. Then he goes and looks brilliant yesterday. Bugger.

I think we've got more of a chance of getting Townsend.

Though I'd much rather Holtby.

I'm clinging to the hope of Salah!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Imagine Salah and Townsend coming in, with Benteke coming back. With a bit more solidity behind them, we would actually look quite good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Imagine Salah and Townsend coming in, with Benteke coming back. With a bit more solidity behind them, we would actually look quite good.

How many have you had?

You do realise it's back to work tomorrow?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 25, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Townsend's a strange one. Only injury stops him going to the World Cup at the end of a very promising season from him. Now he seems surplus to requirements at Tottenham. Not suggesting we will be his next port of call but I don't think it's beyond all possibilities. And it's that that I find very odd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 25, 2014, 10:49:57 PM
I'd be disappointed with a signing like Spearing for a number of reasons, but chiefly because I now think we've got enough 'hard man' types to choose from. New additions should lean more towards the creative, because it's now apparent that's what we're lacking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:51:51 PM
Maybe someone at the club is using Spearing as a smokescreen so that we'll all be relieved when we actually sign Palacios? In all seriousness though, if KEA goes we will need an extra midfielder. I actually wouldn't mind either of them as back-ups. Spearing was always quite well regarded at Liverpool, just couldn't quite force his way into a regular starting spot there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:51:51 PM
Maybe someone at the club is using Spearing as a smokescreen so that we'll all be relieved when we actually sign Palacios? In all seriousness though, if KEA goes we will need an extra midfielder. I actually wouldn't mind either of them as back-ups. Spearing was always quite well regarded at Liverpool, just couldn't quite force his way into a regular starting spot there.

If KEA goes, I'd be happy with Palacios. That's a definite upgrade for me.
We still desperately have to sign an attacking midfielder in addition. I've got a feeling that we won't un'all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Imagine Salah and Townsend coming in, with Benteke coming back. With a bit more solidity behind them, we would actually look quite good.

How many have you had?

You do realise it's back to work tomorrow?

It was completely wishful thinking in fairness. Spearing and some Serie B striker that hasn't scored in 4 years are much more likely I realise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:51:51 PM
Maybe someone at the club is using Spearing as a smokescreen so that we'll all be relieved when we actually sign Palacios? In all seriousness though, if KEA goes we will need an extra midfielder. I actually wouldn't mind either of them as back-ups. Spearing was always quite well regarded at Liverpool, just couldn't quite force his way into a regular starting spot there.

If KEA goes, I'd be happy with Palacios. That's a definite upgrade for me.
We still desperately have to sign an attacking midfielder in addition. I've got a feeling that we won't un'all.

I get the feeling the need for an attacking midfielder of real quality is going to be a bit like our need for an experienced defender last season. Glaringly obvious to all but never solved.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Imagine Salah and Townsend coming in, with Benteke coming back. With a bit more solidity behind them, we would actually look quite good.

How many have you had?

You do realise it's back to work tomorrow?

It was completely wishful thinking in fairness. Spearing and some Serie B striker that hasn't scored in 4 years are much more likely I realise.

We've all been there. I was fantasising about Kagawa in a Villa Shirt earlier for Christ sake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
Re: Townsend, Sky are reporting that he's not for sale at any cost, but some of the papers seem to think that he'll be offered to Soton as part of a swap deal for Schneiderlin. Shame if he goes there as he'd be almost the perfect player to fit into our team at the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
It is a little frustrating that I reckon with even modest money this summer (say 20m net spend) we could have a really decent side. If we spent, say 6-7m on  Holtby and 6-7m on a winger of quality, we would be easily mid table. The budget buys have been really good this summer, I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Damo70 on August 25, 2014, 11:19:43 PM
Surely there are Spurs midfielders available. Some talk of Townsend on here which would be a good move on our part. I wouldn't mind Lennon either. Having said that, I haven't paid too much attention to their line ups for the first two games so I don't know who appears to be in or out of favour.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:21:05 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
It is a little frustrating that I reckon with even modest money this summer (say 20m net spend) we could have a really decent side. If we spent, say 6-7m on  Holtby and 6-7m on a winger of quality, we would be easily mid table. The budget buys have been really good this summer, I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.

Or if the money isn't there we use the loan market effectively, as Everton did last season. I know it's unrealistic, but having just watch another 90 minutes of football not involving James Milner I wouldn't be at all surprised if he decides it's time to move on sooner or later. I think it would actually make me cry if he ended up going on loan to an Everton or a Sunderland.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2014, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.
You never know.

We've made a £7m signing on the last day of the summer window for each of the last two years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:25:59 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 25, 2014, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.
You never know.

We've made a £7m signing on the last day of the summer window for each of the last two years.

I think there's going to be a load of last minute deals happening this year and it wouldn't surprise me if we are involved. Randy must realise that we're 2 or 3 players away from being a top-half team with an outside chance of a good cup-run or two. The increase in revenue from renewed optimism would surely appeal to him, whether he's still looking to sell or not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: KevinGage on August 25, 2014, 11:27:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
It is a little frustrating that I reckon with even modest money this summer (say 20m net spend) we could have a really decent side. If we spent, say 6-7m on  Holtby and 6-7m on a winger of quality, we would be easily mid table. The budget buys have been really good this summer, I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.

He took pelters on here, but at £10 million, I thought Rodwell would have been worth looking at. Bojan at £3 million could be a steal too. 

£13 million for that pair?   Not ludicrous in today's market.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:28:56 PM
Some twatter talk that Gardner has left us in some way shape or form. Good old midland agent again. I hope it is on loan to get match fit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 25, 2014, 11:29:19 PM
Oh god that's classic. It assumes a) Randy cares b) He has any solitary clue what Lambert does with his cash
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2014, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 10:51:51 PM
Maybe someone at the club is using Spearing as a smokescreen so that we'll all be relieved when we actually sign Palacios? In all seriousness though, if KEA goes we will need an extra midfielder. I actually wouldn't mind either of them as back-ups. Spearing was always quite well regarded at Liverpool, just couldn't quite force his way into a regular starting spot there.

If KEA goes, I'd be happy with Palacios. That's a definite upgrade for me.
We still desperately have to sign an attacking midfielder in addition. I've got a feeling that we won't un'all.

I get the feeling the need for an attacking midfielder of real quality is going to be a bit like our need for an experienced defender last season. Glaringly obvious to all but never solved.

I'd have been happy when he left Spurs but he's barely played for Stoke in 3 years with his fitness all over the place so think he's done at premier league level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:36:43 PM
Gardner is now at an age where he takes up a place in the 25-man squad if he stays, so if he's not going to feature regularly, leaving would make sense. However, it would leave us with only 3 recognised central midfielders (4 if you include Richardson). You would assume it'd only be a loan, given his new contract this summer, but who knows? One thing's for sure, Lambert is definitely still looking;

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9440200/transfer-news-paul-lambert-still-looking-to-add-at-aston-villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:39:02 PM
If KEA goes, and Gardner goes on loan, another central midfield player is a must.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 11:40:29 PM
Mark Hughes has bought badly this summer, if Palacios can't get into that side, he's either really crap or Hughes is a worse Manager than I thought. Could be either to be fair!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 11:49:34 PM
I've got a mate at work who reckons his mate knows Gardner well. He said something about a loan the other day, but there is so much transfer bullshit flying around at work from people quoting twitter and fb I just tend to dismiss it all. I'll ask him again tomorrow.

He also said that Gary has been dropped by Adidas, which I also filed under 'inconsequential probable bollocks'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Gardner's only recently signed a 2-year contract so you would think it would be a loan move. It would make sense too - get him playing regular football to get him experience and ensure he's physically ready after his injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 11:49:34 PM
I've got a mate at work who reckons his mate knows Gardner well. He said something about a loan the other day, but there is so much transfer bullshit flying around at work from people quoting twitter and fb I just tend to dismiss it all. I'll ask him again tomorrow.

He also said that Gary has been dropped by Adidas, which I also filed under 'inconsequential probable bollocks'.

I hadn't realised that he had a dal with Adidas, but just looked at his Twitter for any hint of him leaving, and noticed that he's wearing Nike boots in all of his recent pictures so could be true.

#ITK
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2014, 11:49:34 PM
I've got a mate at work who reckons his mate knows Gardner well. He said something about a loan the other day, but there is so much transfer bullshit flying around at work from people quoting twitter and fb I just tend to dismiss it all. I'll ask him again tomorrow.

He also said that Gary has been dropped by Adidas, which I also filed under 'inconsequential probable bollocks'.

I hadn't realised that he had a dal with Adidas, but just looked at his Twitter for any hint of him leaving, and noticed that he's wearing Nike boots in all of his recent pictures so could be true.

#ITK

What about his old pictures?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 01:39:26 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:21:05 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
It is a little frustrating that I reckon with even modest money this summer (say 20m net spend) we could have a really decent side. If we spent, say 6-7m on  Holtby and 6-7m on a winger of quality, we would be easily mid table. The budget buys have been really good this summer, I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.

Or if the money isn't there we use the loan market effectively, as Everton did last season. I know it's unrealistic, but having just watch another 90 minutes of football not involving James Milner I wouldn't be at all surprised if he decides it's time to move on sooner or later. I think it would actually make me cry if he ended up going on loan to an Everton or a Sunderland.

Everton and Sunderland are hardly in the same mini-league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2014, 09:25:53 AM
A loan for Gardner would be good for all parties. I don't think he will get too many games this season. Going to the championship to a well run club would be a good tester for him. Would also allow Villa to properly judge his talent as he should stick out in that league. Is he good enough?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 26, 2014, 09:38:16 AM
Gone to Brighton until Jan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2014, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 26, 2014, 09:38:16 AM
Gone to Brighton until Jan

Good move I reckon. Also frees up money, a little. If KEA leaves too, we must have someone lined up. Hopefully Mr Holtby. Or I owe £20 to H@V.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 26, 2014, 09:47:58 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 01:39:26 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2014, 11:21:05 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
It is a little frustrating that I reckon with even modest money this summer (say 20m net spend) we could have a really decent side. If we spent, say 6-7m on  Holtby and 6-7m on a winger of quality, we would be easily mid table. The budget buys have been really good this summer, I just wish there was the money for a couple of late Beneteke sort of sized signings.

Or if the money isn't there we use the loan market effectively, as Everton did last season. I know it's unrealistic, but having just watch another 90 minutes of football not involving James Milner I wouldn't be at all surprised if he decides it's time to move on sooner or later. I think it would actually make me cry if he ended up going on loan to an Everton or a Sunderland.

Everton and Sunderland are hardly in the same mini-league.

In terms of overall spending this summer, I think they're likely to be pretty close to each other. They're also 2 clubs that I would imagine to be heading the queue should Milner be made available for loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 26, 2014, 10:13:54 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 26, 2014, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 26, 2014, 09:38:16 AM
Gone to Brighton until Jan

Good move I reckon. Also frees up money, a little. If KEA leaves too, we must have someone lined up. Hopefully Mr Holtby. Or I owe £20 to H@V.

As long he is playing.....I'd really hoped he would be here and banging on the first team door this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: robbo1874 on August 26, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
Bit disappointed with Gardner going out on loan. I had hoped he might force his way in this season from the start. However, if it's just til Jan and he works hard and does the business for Brighton, then I can see the value in it. Hopefully he'll manage to avoid a significant injury between now and Jan and show what he can do. Best of luck Gary.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 26, 2014, 10:17:46 AM
Gardner going out on loan and KEA off somewhere, leaves us a bit short in the middle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 26, 2014, 10:22:41 AM
I do like the younger players going on loan for development, but overall in Gardner's case he's done that a couple of times and it's time to try him in the first team now I think.  I just have a gut feeling that with this one, we'll just see him drift again this season now and that will be it for his Villa career.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 26, 2014, 10:24:53 AM
I think we'll be ok, plus it leaves it clear for Spearing to sign ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on August 26, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
Good move for him - give him some game time to get fully match fit after a long lay off, see how he does, and bring back into the fold in January if he looks good enough. Don't agree that it leaves us short in midfield - Gardner didn't feature at all last season, so effectively we've brought in Richardson, Sanchez and Cole, plus the return of N'Zog and the emergence of Grealish, for the potential loss of KEA. Think we're fine in terms of numbers in the middle
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 26, 2014, 10:26:46 AM
I don't actually think we'll sign spearing as he's a defensive midfielder. We've just signed Sanchez
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Good luck to Gardner, but I think it's increasingly unlikely he'll ever make it at Villa now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Good luck to Gardner, but I think it's increasingly unlikely he'll ever make it at Villa now.

We would have just binned him in the summer and not given him a new deal, two years, which suggests we still have high hopes for him. He needs to playing regularly because he hasn't done that in three years, or so(?), so this makes sense. He could still turn out to be a key player for us by the end of the season especially if he comes back in January having impressed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2014, 11:00:07 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Good luck to Gardner, but I think it's increasingly unlikely he'll ever make it at Villa now.
I hope he makes it if not in the PL with Villa than  hopefully in the Championship. That boy has had terrible time with injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on August 26, 2014, 11:00:54 AM
Kagawa looks to be off from Man U and they've just signed Di Maria (£60m).

I know he will have other offers but we should really be paying what it takes to get him. I'm deluded btw.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
Yeah good luck to him, but I'd be surprised if he made it at Villa now. I hope he does, but time is ticking down a bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2014, 11:04:40 AM
Di Maria for £60M..hahahhhhhehehehhhhhahahahhehehe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: Smirker on August 26, 2014, 11:00:54 AM
Kagawa looks to be off from Man U and they've just signed Di Maria (£60m).

I know he will have other offers but we should really be paying what it takes to get him. I'm deluded btw.

Yeah I think so too. A season long loan with United paying 70% of his wages, ideally 😉
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 26, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
On the BBC Sportsday page it show a photograph of  GG - I am not sure it is him, can someone confirm? Not really important but it would be nice to know.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 11:08:08 AM
Quote from: My left Foot on August 26, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
On the BBC Sportsday page it show a photograph of  GG - I am not sure it is him, can someone confirm? Not really important but it would be nice to know.

If you're referring to the photo for the Gardener story, I really don't think that's him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 26, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
£59.7 million for Di Maria.

Could make his debut away at Burnley.

Welcome to English football, ho, ho.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
This? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28937199

Yes, it's Gardner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 11:27:47 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
This? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28937199

Yes, it's Gardner.

That is, but the little story on the Sportsday news feed isn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 26, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: olaftab on August 26, 2014, 11:04:40 AM
Di Maria for £60M..hahahhhhhehehehhhhhahahahhehehe.

Yes it's way over what he's worth but he's still a very good player and he will improve them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2014, 11:35:23 AM
Be interesting to see where we are at in the next week

Do we sign a spearing  type on loan or a Kagawa type


Good move for GG , id be more passed off if we had loaned him and cilla was getting games instead
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 26, 2014, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 11:27:47 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
This? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28937199

Yes, it's Gardner.

That is, but the little story on the Sportsday news feed isn't.

Its Tonev

(http://s29.postimg.org/5d0nrhqyf/Screen_Hunter_01_Aug_26_11_28.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
Any news on where Altidore may be off to?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
Any news on where Altidore may be off to?

I can't properly relax while he's on the loose.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 26, 2014, 12:12:58 PM
I feel the same way about Alex Salmond.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Ameobi is off the market so that should alleviate some tension.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 26, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Ameobi is off the market so that should alleviate some tension.

Both of them?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2014, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 26, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Ameobi is off the market so that should alleviate some tension.

Both of them?

Balls you're right. One of them joined some Turkish club. The other is still on the loose. Lock your doors kids.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 26, 2014, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 26, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Ameobi is off the market so that should alleviate some tension.

Both of them?

Balls you're right. One of them joined some Turkish club. The other is still on the loose. Lock your doors kids.

Isn't Altidore still at Sunderland?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 26, 2014, 12:32:48 PM
BBC Sportsday have now corrected their cock-up by removing the Tonev pic from the Gardner post.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 26, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
We signed anyone yet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2014, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 26, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
We signed anyone yet?

With GG going on loan, I'm hoping we might see a midfielder coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 26, 2014, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 26, 2014, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 26, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
We signed anyone yet?

With GG going on loan, I'm hoping we might see a midfielder coming in.

I think we'll need KEA to leave first as well as I believe we have 25 over 21s in the squad currently.  Unless of course we sign an under 21.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:28:38 PM
Is Van Ginkel still at Chelsea?

A double loan of him and Salah would be nice. It could hurt their title rivals too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:28:38 PM
Is Van Ginkel still at Chelsea?

A double loan of him and Salah would be nice. It could hurt their title rivals too.

Yes he is.  And that's a great shout!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:34:59 PM
It is the way we should use the loan market. I hate it, but it is there to be used. Can you take more than 1 from a single club though? I don't think you can actually. So ignore me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 26, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
Thought you could only loan one player from any club between premier league sides?

edit: Ah, I see this is covered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 26, 2014, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 26, 2014, 11:04:40 AM
Di Maria for £60M..hahahhhhhehehehhhhhahahahhehehe.

If Bale is going for £85m and David Luiz for £50m, that's probably below the market value for Real Madrid's best player for most of last season.

Neither Ancelotti or the fans wanted him to go.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 26, 2014, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 26, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Ameobi is off the market so that should alleviate some tension.

Both of them?

Balls you're right. One of them joined some Turkish club. The other is still on the loose. Lock your doors kids.

Isn't Altidore still at Sunderland?

He is/ At the moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 26, 2014, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:28:38 PM
Is Van Ginkel still at Chelsea?

A double loan of him and Salah would be nice. It could hurt their title rivals too.

I saw Van Ginkel linked to AC Milan yesterday, as a potential replacement if De Jong goes to Man Utd. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 26, 2014, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:28:38 PM
Is Van Ginkel still at Chelsea?

A double loan of him and Salah would be nice. It could hurt their title rivals too.

I saw Van Ginkel linked to AC Milan yesterday, as a potential replacement if De Jong goes to Man Utd. 

Can't be for a big fee though, because AC Milan are skint. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
Anyone seen this rhubarb about Januszaj being linked with a loan move to the Villa?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 26, 2014, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 26, 2014, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 01:28:38 PM
Is Van Ginkel still at Chelsea?

A double loan of him and Salah would be nice. It could hurt their title rivals too.

I saw Van Ginkel linked to AC Milan yesterday, as a potential replacement if De Jong goes to Man Utd. 

Can't be for a big fee though, because AC Milan are skint. 
Loan I believe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2014, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
Anyone seen this rhubarb about Januszaj being linked with a loan move to the Villa?

If only.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 03:51:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2014, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
Anyone seen this rhubarb about Januszaj being linked with a loan move to the Villa?

If only.

Evidence is given as 'sources in Belgium'. File under Bulltwit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Can I file under Bulltwit I would smile for a week if came true?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Can I file under Bulltwit I would smile for a week if came true?

Anything you like, cochise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 26, 2014, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Can I file under Bulltwit I would smile for a week if came true?
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Can I file under Bulltwit I would smile for a week if came true?

I work next to Old Trafford. I'd literally laugh through the doors in the morning if it were.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fredm on August 26, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
There was a story in one of the papers that Van Gaal, if he signed Di Maria, would send Janujaz(sp) out on loan to a PL club with the proviso that he was a regular starter. Well he has signed Di Maria so we shall have to see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2014, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 26, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
Any news on where Altidore may be off to?
Pet food factory?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: fredm on August 26, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
There was a story in one of the papers that Van Gaal, if he signed Di Maria, would send Janujaz(sp) out on loan to a PL club with the proviso that he was a regular starter. Well he has signed Di Maria so we shall have to see.

Oh the arrogance of these fuckers. They will just pick another top tier club and dictate terms to them......Arseholes!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 26, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 26, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
Anyone seen this rhubarb about Januszaj being linked with a loan move to the Villa?

He's keen to play for a club with more chance of CL qualification!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 26, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
Time for a cheeky Kagawa bid?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 10:37:46 PM
Picture from some girl on instagram with Vlaar at Bham airport in the last hour, unlikely to be flying to Manchester you would think! Lets hope it is a trip home because he can't play tomorrow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 26, 2014, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 26, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
Time for a cheeky Kagawa bid?

If only for PR purposes it would give us a lift.

Kagawa on the right of a midfield three with Sanchez and Delph.

Good move for Gary Gardner but this loan move really needs to come off for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 26, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
I don't see the point in getting worked up about what might happen with Vlaar. It's a win/win as far as I can see. If he stays the benefits are obvious, If he goes we'd have Man U over a barrel and get silly money for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 26, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
I don't see the point in getting worked up about what might happen with Vlaar. It's a win/win as far as I can see. If he stays the benefits are obvious, If he goes we'd have Man U over a barrel and get silly money for him.

We'd also only have a short time to replace our best defender and captain though.  More of a win/lose situation I think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 11:02:43 PM
Dawson went for 3.5m to Hull. That is a bargain, bet he has a good game against us at the weekend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 26, 2014, 11:05:49 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 26, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 26, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
I don't see the point in getting worked up about what might happen with Vlaar. It's a win/win as far as I can see. If he stays the benefits are obvious, If he goes we'd have Man U over a barrel and get silly money for him.

We'd also only have a short time to replace our best defender and captain though.  More of a win/lose situation I think.
Don't worry!
We've got Baker!
:D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fasth56 on August 26, 2014, 11:20:14 PM
As much as we slag off Baker and Clarke, I'd rather have them than Smalling, Jones or Evans
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brian Taylor on August 26, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
I'll take Atobe!  Who said 'We did not underestimate them. We just didn't think the were that good'? Cloughie. of course. One players wages for a week pays the whole of MK Dons for a month. Get Atobe on the cheap!  Moyes must be laughing his socks off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 26, 2014, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 26, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
I'll take Atobe!  Who said 'We did not underestimate theme. We just didn't think the were that good'? Cloughie. of course. One players wages for a week pays the whole of MK Dons for a month. Get Atobe on the cheap!  Moyes must be laughing his socks off.

You're right Moyes must be finding this pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 26, 2014, 11:28:58 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 26, 2014, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 26, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
I'll take Atobe!  Who said 'We did not underestimate theme. We just didn't think the were that good'? Cloughie. of course. One players wages for a week pays the whole of MK Dons for a month. Get Atobe on the cheap!  Moyes must be laughing his socks off.

You're right Moyes must be finding this pretty hilarious.
Along with 95% of the rest of us.

It's times like these that I miss those all to rare occasions to absolutely rip the piss out of a plastic fan or 6.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 26, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2014, 11:02:43 PM
Dawson went for 3.5m to Hull. That is a bargain, bet he has a good game against us at the weekend.

it is but needs to be balanced against the ridiculous money they paid for Snodgrass and Livermore.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 26, 2014, 11:29:31 PM
Quote from: fredm on August 26, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
There was a story in one of the papers that Van Gaal, if he signed Di Maria, would send Janujaz(sp) out on loan to a PL club with the proviso that he was a regular starter. Well he has signed Di Maria so we shall have to see.

Makes me laugh. This time last year Janujaz was the second coming after his two goals again the Mackems. Now even Ashley get a game instead of him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 26, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 26, 2014, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 26, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
Time for a cheeky Kagawa bid?

If only for PR purposes it would give us a lift.

Kagawa on the right of a midfield three with Sanchez and Delph.

Good move for Gary Gardner but this loan move really needs to come off for him.

Lambert in his press conference saying Kagawa is "a great player who would lift any team, we will see what happens". Just to throw some fuel to the fire :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
That would suggest that we've made an enquiry which is a good start. Then just have to hope that everything aligns.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2014, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: OCD on August 27, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
That would suggest that we've made an enquiry which is a good start. Then just have to hope that everything aligns.

I don't think ciggiesnbeer was actually saying that had happened, but was talking about an imaginary situation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 27, 2014, 12:56:20 AM
Aye, I was just day dreaming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 27, 2014, 12:59:32 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2014, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: OCD on August 27, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
That would suggest that we've made an enquiry which is a good start. Then just have to hope that everything aligns.

I don't think ciggiesnbeer was actually saying that had happened, but was talking about an imaginary situation.

Damn! Just watched SSN for an hour after reading that post. PL was on too and didn't say it. So, having re-read it all I think you're right. Got carried away and didn't read the posts he quoted.

EdIt: confirmed by ciggiesnbeer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 27, 2014, 07:06:16 AM
My apologies for any confusion. My posting skills are even worse than usual a few beers in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 26, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
I don't see the point in getting worked up about what might happen with Vlaar. It's a win/win as far as I can see. If he stays the benefits are obvious, If he goes we'd have Man U over a barrel and get silly money for him.

Yes but we'll be relegated
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2014, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 26, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
I don't see the point in getting worked up about what might happen with Vlaar. It's a win/win as far as I can see. If he stays the benefits are obvious, If he goes we'd have Man U over a barrel and get silly money for him.

Yes but we'll be relegated

We wouldn't necessarily be relegated if we lost Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 09:06:14 AM
Our new found stability would be lost in an instant though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
I don't think we can afford to lose vlaar . Even a silly bid should be rebuffed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2014, 09:27:47 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 27, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
I don't think we can afford to lose vlaar . Even a silly bid should be rebuffed.

Yes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 09:30:12 AM
Anyone know where he lives? Someone on bulltwit claiming his house is for sale
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: shipscat on August 27, 2014, 09:33:38 AM
Wishaw
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2014, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 09:06:14 AM
Our new found stability would be lost in an instant though.

Yes it would and i don't want to lose him either. It wouldn't make us absolute certanties for relegation though. I don't think we'd be silly enough to sell him this close to the window closing and anyway Lambert has said he's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 09:58:23 AM
It depends what's offered though. If they offered cash plus say Wellbeck and the winger kid on loan it might tempt lambert into a re think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on August 27, 2014, 10:06:13 AM
Jeez this thread is turning into a Shiite self punishment  annual parade in downtown Tehran!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 27, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
Any truth to the Altidore rumours that have been doing the rounds for a good while?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 27, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
That Altidore is an utter joke of a player.  No thanks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 27, 2014, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 27, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
Any truth to the Altidore rumours that have been doing the rounds for a good while?
Yes. They're definitely grinding him into powder to spread on the fields. :D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 10:17:56 AM
Altidore would be like signing a worse version of Heskey
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2014, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 10:17:56 AM
Altidore would be like signing a worse version of Heskey

Hold on, we've had a space for a defensive striker since Tumbling Bear left.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on August 27, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
With his impressive scoring record at Sunderland over the last 13 months we'd be mad not to bid for Altidore.  You are VillaKicks and I claim my £5!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 27, 2014, 10:34:36 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on August 27, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
With his impressive scoring record at Sunderland over the last 13 months we'd be mad not to bid for Altidore.  You are VillaKicks and I claim my £5!

1 goal in 31.

Be honest - we all miss the WUM VK.

Did he get banned. I can't remember.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 27, 2014, 10:36:40 AM
One name to strike off the the list  rumoured possibles : .............Godzvilla!

Austria winger Zlatko Junuzovic has denied he is set to sign for Aston Villa from Werder Bremen, telling BILD: "I don't know anything about it. No one has yet come up to me with anything like that!"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 27, 2014, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on August 27, 2014, 10:36:40 AM
One name to strike off the the list  rumoured possibles : .............Godzvilla!

Austria winger Zlatko Junuzovic has denied he is set to sign for Aston Villa from Werder Bremen, telling BILD: "I don't know anything about it. No one has yet come up to me with anything like that!"

Thank Christ. I watched his YouTube clip and he is so one footed I thought he was an amputee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 11:00:52 AM
God that's a bit close to the bone
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I am starting to feel that might be it. Lambert doesn't seem to do deadline day deals

I think that's quite a big mistake
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Kozak, Westwood, Benteke aside?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2014, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on August 27, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
Any truth to the Altidore rumours that have been doing the rounds for a good while?

I can confirm the rumour about Altidore being utterly shit.

He's utterly shit
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2014, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I am starting to feel that might be it. Lambert doesn't seem to do deadline day deals

I think that's quite a big mistake

Really? His biggest deals have been on deadline day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2014, 12:09:34 PM
Without doing the maths, I reckon he has spent more money on summer transfer deadline day than the other 364 days of the year put together.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2014, 12:21:40 PM
Yeah, he's always pretty active on deadline day. The one where we agreed a fee for Dempsey before eventually signing Benteke springs to mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Lambert seems to do most his transfer business quite early, but as the evidence indicates you cannot count us out of the running for new signings until the window "slams shut" (Skyism)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 27, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Lambert seems to do most his transfer business quite early, but as the evidence indicates you cannot count us out of the running for new signings until the window "slams shut" (Skyism)

He's proven himself quite adept at "getting them over the line".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 27, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
So it appears Holtby might be available:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9442485/transfer-news-tottenham-midfielder-lewis-holtby-interests-hamburg
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Boz on August 27, 2014, 01:15:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 09:58:23 AM
It depends what's offered though. If they offered cash plus say Wellbeck and the winger kid on loan it might tempt lambert into a re think.

As he's not in tonight's game, perhaps he's in Manchester with his agent, talking with LVG  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Kozak, Westwood, Benteke aside?

Arr, ye've a better memory than me to be sure lad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 27, 2014, 05:06:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Kozak, Westwood, Benteke aside?

Arr, ye've a better memory than me to be sure lad

We've also been linked with the new Gustavo Bartelt...... Acquafresca from Bologna actually sounds worse?!?!?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frank black on August 27, 2014, 05:51:04 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on August 27, 2014, 05:06:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Kozak, Westwood, Benteke aside?

Arr, ye've a better memory than me to be sure lad

We've also been linked with the new Gustavo Bartelt...... Acquafresca from Bologna actually sounds worse?!?!?

Sounds like he could be a breath of fresh air...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
Jay Spearing and Acquafrescia sounds like the most uninspiring end to a window I could imagine.

Mind you we could be in for Zigic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2014, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
Jay Spearing and Acquafrescia sounds like the most uninspiring end to a window I could imagine.

Mind you we could be in for Zigic.
Zigic? !!! Bloody Lambert hasn't got a clue!
Bloody Lerner - trawling the depths by buying from Them, blah, blah ....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
It is actually Wenger and Arsenal being linked with Zigic. Which would be mightily amusing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 07:00:46 PM
Yeah but that zigic link is bollocks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2014, 07:23:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 07:00:46 PM
Yeah but that zigic link is bollocks
Not if Arsen wants his ceiling painted it isn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2014, 07:30:46 PM
better than Nik the knobhead
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 27, 2014, 07:45:36 PM
Given PL's record of deadline day deals, who's up for hanging around behind Pete Colley at Bodymoor Monday night?

If nothing happens we could go dogging.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 27, 2014, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 27, 2014, 07:45:36 PM
Given PL's record of deadline day deals, who's up for hanging around behind Pete Colley at Bodymoor Monday night?

If nothing happens we could go dogging.

It's really tempting Percy, can I let you know?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 27, 2014, 07:55:17 PM
As it goes, I shall be dogging up that way on Monday anyhow. Would you like me to report back?

"Danny Welbeck has been seen wanking over someones windscreen and Sky sources suggest BH is his expected destination before midnight"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2014, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 27, 2014, 07:30:46 PM
better than Nik the knobhead
Currently enjoying driving his company Polo in Wolfsburg.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 27, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
I'm thinking of hanging about outside Stoke's ground with the strange looking assortment they attract. It would be the only time in my life I would look and feel devilishly handsome.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 08:38:22 PM
You see now I love the idea of a mass hijak of another clubs deadline day huddle! That would be very funny.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 27, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
A coach load of Villa fans outside St James Park would be ace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2014, 09:46:30 PM
For the love of God, a striker. Now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2014, 09:56:09 PM
Don't get a decent striker and a winger before the window closes it will be a very tough season. Kozak sounds like he is buggered, Gabby can't hit a barn door, Bent is long gone at this level. Leaving Benteke coming back from a serious injury.

Out wide Grealish clearly shows a lot of promise, but he needs help. Our forward options are pretty weak.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
Why does kozak sound like he's buggered?

Completely agree on attacking options. It's a must, not a nice to have

Lambert righty concluded bent was past it two years ago. He's not less past it now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
It was frankly nuts to think that spending 6 or 7m was going to be anywhere near enough to raise sufficiently the quality of this squad.

If a Joe Cole turns out to be the man we really expect to create things for us, then we will struggle.

Time to spend, Lerner, quickly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 27, 2014, 10:06:46 PM
Have we loaned auquafresca out yet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2014, 10:06:57 PM
It took nearly three years to realise our defence was shocking and to do something about it. If it takes the same amount of time to sort out the attack, we won't be long for this league.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2014, 10:09:36 PM
Lerner isn't going to spend enough money to raise the quality of our attacking threat. You're talking about £5-8m signings

But surely we can get a couple in on loan. I know it's short term but it could be the difference between going down or not

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 27, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
I try not to criticise players as I don't get to see them that often but, I have to admit that when I heard we'd signed Joe Cole my immediate thoughts were, that's two years wages wasted.  Easy to criticise in hindsight, especially as he's not fully fit but surely we could have done better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2014, 10:18:31 PM
Lambert has brought men and physicality into the squad. Credit for that. BUT he is such a shit manager than he can't organise them properly whoever he brings in. Total shambles. Don't trust Lambert with money or players, don't trust Lerner to sack him or bring in a manager of quality. Diabolical situation to put the club in. I hope the new CEO is a tough nut.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on August 27, 2014, 10:32:11 PM
A striker - now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 27, 2014, 11:05:11 PM
A midfielder who can create, our best balls came from Senderos
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2014, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 27, 2014, 11:05:11 PM
A midfielder who can create, our best balls came from Senderos

Medium term, I absolutely agree. But a new striker is the first signing I want to see.

And when I say "medium term", I really mean "signed at the same press conference".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 27, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
Creativity, width and someone to put it in the onion bag. Five days to find it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 27, 2014, 11:52:09 PM
Man Utd, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool have a load of players that they need to shed even on loan in the next week. If we dont bring in some good ones we are in serious trouble. We have no guile in midfield, out wide or up front. Thats a one way street to relegation if it stays the same.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tucson Villain on August 27, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 27, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
Creativity, width and someone to put it in the onion bag. Five days to find it.

 Just about sums it up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 28, 2014, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: Tucson Villain on August 27, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 27, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
Creativity, width and someone to put it in the onion bag. Five days to find it.

 Just about sums it up.

Sadly, none of these will be addressed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2014, 12:24:06 AM
Quote from: Matt C on August 27, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
Creativity, width and someone to put it in the onion bag. Five days to find it.

Yep.  Westwood and Sanchez only really capable of playing the same role, N'Zogbia the only real natural wide player we have and our best striker and only real goal threat is still a few months off playing. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 01:33:26 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 27, 2014, 11:52:09 PM
Man Utd, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool have a load of players that they need to shed even on loan in the next week. If we dont bring in some good ones we are in serious trouble. We have no guile in midfield, out wide or up front. Thats a one way street to relegation if it stays the same.


I would happily take Sinclair off City. Compared to Gabby and Weimann in the wide forward roles he is significantly better. Salah from Chelsea would be a very decent loan. Gnabry from Arsenal may not be available now with Giroud out for so long. Getting Holtby from under the noses of Hamburg looks unlikely now which is a shame. That Argentinian lad we were linked with would do us some good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on August 28, 2014, 02:16:43 AM
Jason Puncheon being linked. Didn't he have a massive fall out with Neil Warnock?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2014, 03:05:55 AM
Quote from: Hoppo on August 28, 2014, 02:16:43 AM
Jason Puncheon being linked. Didn't he have a massive fall out with Neil Warnock?

Puncheon is a very good player. Didn't he also score Palace's winner against us last season at Selhurst Park?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 28, 2014, 04:11:02 AM
That was Dwight Gayle I think?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2014, 04:13:06 AM
Gayle scored at VP, Puncheon in the game at Selhurst.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on August 28, 2014, 05:10:21 AM
Of course. I'd wiped from my memory the fact they did the double over us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2014, 05:45:21 AM
a new owner manager and 6 real footballers please by Sunday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2014, 06:51:24 AM
Jason puncheon did have a massive fall out w warnock. I'd take him in a heart beat
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Puncheon and Bolasie would be nice. Both are excellent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 28, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 28, 2014, 06:51:24 AM
Jason puncheon did have a massive fall out w warnock. I'd take him in a heart beat
My thoughts exactly. I seem to remember that the FA had to get involved in their twitter spat which got really nasty on both sides. Let's hope that they haven't kissed and made up and more importantly that we can get hold of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: wozwebs on August 28, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
Seen this one?
@harj04: Bid tabled and accepted for Tom Cleverley #AVFC
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 28, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
Seen this one?
@harj04: Bid tabled and accepted for Tom Cleverley #AVFC

A bad day just got worse. 

Then again it's going to be BS.  I mean we're bad but...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 28, 2014, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 28, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
Seen this one?
@harj04: Bid tabled and accepted for Tom Cleverley #AVFC

A bad day just got worse. 

Then again it's going to be BS.  I mean we're bad but...

He called a couple of things spot on the other week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 28, 2014, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 28, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
Seen this one?
@harj04: Bid tabled and accepted for Tom Cleverley #AVFC

A bad day just got worse. 

Then again it's going to be BS.  I mean we're bad but...

Usually I'd call BS but he is the guy who called Tonev leaving on Loan and Sanchez signing back on the 9th of August

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2014, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: wozwebs on August 28, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
Seen this one?
@harj04: Bid tabled and accepted for Tom Cleverley #AVFC
well, he's got the energy of Delph and has got something to prove ....

Okay; I know, I'm grasping for straws.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM
I had this horrible thought yesterday

Cleverly
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on August 28, 2014, 10:47:44 AM
What have Villa supporters done to deserve this?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 10:48:20 AM
With KEA (who was not even on the bench last night i don't think, i stand correct though) looking to move back home and Gardner out on loan, there might be something in it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
Well at least he would never play for England again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 10:54:55 AM
He does have flashes of bring ok. Then nothingness.

Better than Spearing!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 28, 2014, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
Well at least he would never play for England again

Maybe it's an exchange with Delph?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
Cant see Cleverly adding anything. Just a clogger.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Boz on August 28, 2014, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM
I had this horrible thought yesterday

Cleverly

Just about sums up Lambert's assessment on some of the players he's signed. Beneteke was probably just a lucky "get one right occasionally" signining.

With the money restrictions at B6, how are we going to afford a ManUre cast off? I saw in the media that said he was willing to sit it out until his contract ends and he could go on a free and get higher wages. If that's true he's obviously a well motivated young player who wants to play.  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 28, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
cleveley is pants
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DangerousBri on August 28, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
Not jumping for joy if we was to get Cleverly but surely he cant be any worse then what we already have. Man Utd & England are 2 massive world wide teams and he is 100% not good enough to play in any of those sides but just might be ok and do o ajob at villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 28, 2014, 11:04:19 AM
Francis Jeffers is available apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 28, 2014, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM
I had this horrible thought yesterday

Cleverly

He's not great but is no worse than what we have - that's the limit of my expectations these days
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
Well the guy who first broke the news that we were after Ki, Sanchez and the tonev loan, says we have had a £4m bud accepted for him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DangerousBri on August 28, 2014, 11:14:14 AM
I just hope that Vlaar isnt apart of the deal....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
Well the guy who first broke the news that we were after Ki, Sanchez and the tonev loan, says we have had a £4m bud accepted for him

Who, Cleverley?

I cannot think of a more pointless player EVERZ!!!!!

Seriously mind, what does the boy do? He cannot pass forwards, he cannot tackle, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create them either. I'm sure he can point though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 11:17:27 AM
4m for a 25 year old international midfielder that away from United seems to score goals. He might do ok.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Cleverly's problem was getting picked for England when it's clear he's not good enough for international football.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2014, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
Well the guy who first broke the news that we were after Ki, Sanchez and the tonev loan, says we have had a £4m bud accepted for him

Who, Cleverley?

I cannot think of a more pointless player EVERZ!!!!!

Seriously mind, what does the boy do? He cannot pass forwards, he cannot tackle, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create them either. I'm sure he can point though.

I've just looked at some you tube clips, looks better than that colombian Madrid signed this summer
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 11:18:25 AM
11 in 33 for Watford and 5 in 25 at Wigan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Cleverly's problem was getting picked for England when it's clear he's not good enough for international football.

I don't want to go all nutty on this, but one of my favourite past times in football is pointing out how poor an excuse for a player Cleverley is. I am convinced he should be playing for Barnsley or maybe serving Big Macs in Barnsley.

He has no use! What does he bring to a side? I hope I am in for my Stuart R moment here, but I think he is utter, utter, utter gash.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 28, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 11:18:25 AM
11 in 33 for Watford and 5 in 25 at Wigan

He's not great but it's very fashionable to knock him - me included - largely because he was never ever of the standard that an England player should be at. Mind you, that applies to most of the England team.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 11:22:20 AM
Ads while being fully with you I am taking the kid myself into it being ok view.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 28, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Cleverly's problem was getting picked for England when it's clear he's not good enough for international football.

I don't want to go all nutty on this, but one of my favourite past times in football is pointing out how poor an excuse for a player Cleverley is. I am convinced he should be playing for Barnsley or maybe serving Big Macs in Barnsley.

He has no use! What does he bring to a side? I hope I am in for my Stuart R moment here, but I think he is utter, utter, utter gash.

I think that is taking it too far to be honest, I'm no fan but I don't believe he is that bad
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
I know a lot of Man utd fans, guess everyone does, they all have nothing positive to say about him.
I don't think I've heard such negativity about one player from there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
Well the guy who first broke the news that we were after Ki, Sanchez and the tonev loan, says we have had a £4m bud accepted for him

Who, Cleverley?

I cannot think of a more pointless player EVERZ!!!!!

Seriously mind, what does the boy do? He cannot pass forwards, he cannot tackle, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create them either. I'm sure he can point though.
Yep
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: richard moore on August 28, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Cleverly's problem was getting picked for England when it's clear he's not good enough for international football.

I don't want to go all nutty on this, but one of my favourite past times in football is pointing out how poor an excuse for a player Cleverley is. I am convinced he should be playing for Barnsley or maybe serving Big Macs in Barnsley.

He has no use! What does he bring to a side? I hope I am in for my Stuart R moment here, but I think he is utter, utter, utter gash.

I think that is taking it too far to be honest, I'm no fan but I don't believe he is that bad

Harsh? He's like tits on a boy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 28, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
A mate of mine at work has just said;  He’s not as bad as Anderson or Fellaini, just needs some confidence.

When he broke through in 2011/12 he was well worth his starting place for both club and country.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 28, 2014, 11:43:15 AM
and he can have one of the catchiest songs ever:

Hey Mr Lambert
Look over here
The boy is doing splendidly
He’s not very old
But watch him go
Fighting against the enemy
He’s not very tough
But he can play rough
And you’ll never stop Cleverley….
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 28, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
It's trendy to slate him given his England caps would not have been won had he played for another side, but I have to think (hope) he is a decent if not exceptional player.

Playing centre-mid for ManUre after Scholes was always going to be a very tough thing to do - not least when their side was in decline pretty much in all departments (including tactically). He is one of the players their fans have looked to blame, but to me he is not as culpable as the likes of Fellaini and other 'established' players who have not delivered.

My greater concern if it is true is where he might fit in?

Bottom line - not leaping around in excitement, but he's an upgrade on KEA and possibly Westwood (and I like Westwood). I still think we need a couple of decent attacking options - one wide and one as a second striker as I fear Cole and N'Zog will not deliver. UTV.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
We aren't very good at all, yet I struggle to see who's place in the team Cleverley would take.  He's that bad.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:52:48 AM
Its true that I am totes trendy, but even if I was a square, I'd still struggle to think of what he would bring to a midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CJ on August 28, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
Well the guy who first broke the news that we were after Ki, Sanchez and the tonev loan, says we have had a £4m bud accepted for him

Who, Cleverley?

I cannot think of a more pointless player EVERZ!!!!!

Seriously mind, what does the boy do? He cannot pass forwards, he cannot tackle, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create them either. I'm sure he can point though.

Sounds a lot like Westwood, so a dead cert Lambert signing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:57:02 AM
Westwood can pass, often forwards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2014, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Cleverly's problem was getting picked for England when it's clear he's not good enough for international football.

I don't want to go all nutty on this, but one of my favourite past times in football is pointing out how poor an excuse for a player Cleverley is. I am convinced he should be playing for Barnsley or maybe serving Big Macs in Barnsley.

He has no use! What does he bring to a side? I hope I am in for my Stuart R moment here, but I think he is utter, utter, utter gash.

Even this damming assesment puts him ahead of most of our current options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 28, 2014, 12:03:07 PM
As long as Fergie recommends him then that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
Where are these Cleverley rumours ruminating from ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 28, 2014, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 28, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 28, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 AM
Cleverly's problem was getting picked for England when it's clear he's not good enough for international football.

I don't want to go all nutty on this, but one of my favourite past times in football is pointing out how poor an excuse for a player Cleverley is. I am convinced he should be playing for Barnsley or maybe serving Big Macs in Barnsley.

He has no use! What does he bring to a side? I hope I am in for my Stuart R moment here, but I think he is utter, utter, utter gash.

I think that is taking it too far to be honest, I'm no fan but I don't believe he is that bad

You should,nt be surprised , over the past few weeks  Senderos , Hutton , Sissokho & Richardson have been vilified in some form or another on these pages . In his early 1st Team days Cleverley was very good indeed , emphasis on ' was ' but he appears to have lost confidence under a welter of Twatter Garbage . He had a very good England debut against Italy where in particular he was a worthy opponent for the veteran ,Daniele de Rossi , on the night . If he does come to us I hope we will all support him in the hope that he returns to his old form .....................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2014, 12:09:41 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 28, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
Where are these Cleverley rumours ruminating from ?

which rumours? The transfer one or the one about him having boy boobs?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
It is a strange one, at Wigan he looked a really decent attacking midfield player, but at United he has looked pretty woeful.


It probably won't happen anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
I love rumours ruminating. I always thought my cows were talking about me behind my back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Cleverley is like when we were linked with Darran Gibson. Same level of derision. He went to Everton and has become very popular or at least became popular while healthy. There's a tendency to go overboard with rumours and players we sign one way or another. We don't really know and with Cleverley he might flourish given the opportunity to play regular football. It's not a deal, if true that gets me excited but thren again, I'm not willing to smash it into the ground either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on August 28, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
Good player, Cleverley. A midfield three of him, Delph and Sanchez looks pretty good to me, to be honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 12:58:56 PM
I won't believe this until TBAR confirm it.  #ITK
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2014, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on August 28, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
Good player, Cleverley. A midfield three of him, Delph and Sanchez looks pretty good to me, to be honest.

Yep.  He's certainly better than our other options in that position. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
I think Cleverly could be a good player. He looked it at Wigan but when you put a young player into the spotlight at Man United and things don't go so well, he's going to look worse than he is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
someone at TBAR has probably secreted themselves inside an empty locker at BH with Pete Colley's mobile on speed dial and they're not coming out until September 2nd.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2014, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on August 28, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
Good player, Cleverley. A midfield three of him, Delph and Sanchez looks pretty good to me, to be honest.
Thats how I see it. He's got the energy that Delph has and the midfield will be more dynamic than with other current options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2014, 01:26:48 PM
I just think people often jump to instant conclusions ultimately based on limited information on players we pay only a small amount of attention to. If you want evidence of that look at the Senderos thread, and backtracking that has taken place since the start of the season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 28, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Cleverley is like when we were linked with Darran Gibson. Same level of derision. He went to Everton and has become very popular or at least became popular while healthy. There's a tendency to go overboard with rumours and players we sign one way or another. We don't really know and with Cleverley he might flourish given the opportunity to play regular football. It's not a deal, if true that gets me excited but thren again, I'm not willing to smash it into the ground either.

In the internet world everything is either brilliant or shit with no in between.

Aly Cissokho was apparently the worst defender in the league according to Liverpool fans, yet he seems perfectly competent (at worst).

Cleverley probably isn't a midfielder to build your team around if you're challenging the Top 4, but absolutely fine for where we are.

My only concern would be around his history of injuries.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 28, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Cleverley is like when we were linked with Darran Gibson. Same level of derision. He went to Everton and has become very popular or at least became popular while healthy. There's a tendency to go overboard with rumours and players we sign one way or another. We don't really know and with Cleverley he might flourish given the opportunity to play regular football. It's not a deal, if true that gets me excited but thren again, I'm not willing to smash it into the ground either.

In the internet world everything is either brilliant or shit with no in between.

Cleverley probably isn't a midfielder to build your team around if you're challenging the Top 4, but absolutely fine for where we are.


exactly, Lambert isn't the manager to run your team if you are in the Premier League, but absolutely fine if you are Goole Town
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 28, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Cleverley is like when we were linked with Darran Gibson. Same level of derision. He went to Everton and has become very popular or at least became popular while healthy. There's a tendency to go overboard with rumours and players we sign one way or another. We don't really know and with Cleverley he might flourish given the opportunity to play regular football. It's not a deal, if true that gets me excited but thren again, I'm not willing to smash it into the ground either.

In the internet world everything is either brilliant or shit with no in between.

Aly Cissokho was apparently the worst defender in the league according to Liverpool fans, yet he seems perfectly competent (at worst).

Cleverley probably isn't a midfielder to build your team around if you're challenging the Top 4, but absolutely fine for where we are.

My only concern would be around his history of injuries.

I would agree with that Dave. He's a solid addition at the right price and for where we are. His injury history is concerning. A bit like Okore is becoming for us right now unfortunately.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: Malandro on August 28, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 28, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Cleverley is like when we were linked with Darran Gibson. Same level of derision. He went to Everton and has become very popular or at least became popular while healthy. There's a tendency to go overboard with rumours and players we sign one way or another. We don't really know and with Cleverley he might flourish given the opportunity to play regular football. It's not a deal, if true that gets me excited but thren again, I'm not willing to smash it into the ground either.

In the internet world everything is either brilliant or shit with no in between.

Cleverley probably isn't a midfielder to build your team around if you're challenging the Top 4, but absolutely fine for where we are.


exactly, Lambert isn't the manager to run your team if you are in the Premier League, but absolutely fine if you are Goole Town

Although when appointed, had won back to back promotions and come 12th with Norwich, outplaying Villa on the final day comprehensively.

Some things work out some don't.

Cleverly does have some aspects that would be beneficial to us, especially if played in a more advanced midfield role.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 28, 2014, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 28, 2014, 01:26:48 PM
I just think people often jump to instant conclusions ultimately based on limited information on players we pay only a small amount of attention to. If you want evidence of that look at the Senderos thread, and backtracking that has taken place since the start of the season.

I think that is very true of most of us, me included and was what I was trying to say about Cleverley
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2014, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: Malandro on August 28, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 28, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Cleverley is like when we were linked with Darran Gibson. Same level of derision. He went to Everton and has become very popular or at least became popular while healthy. There's a tendency to go overboard with rumours and players we sign one way or another. We don't really know and with Cleverley he might flourish given the opportunity to play regular football. It's not a deal, if true that gets me excited but thren again, I'm not willing to smash it into the ground either.

In the internet world everything is either brilliant or shit with no in between.

Cleverley probably isn't a midfielder to build your team around if you're challenging the Top 4, but absolutely fine for where we are.


exactly, Lambert isn't the manager to run your team if you are in the Premier League, but absolutely fine if you are Goole Town

Although when appointed, had won back to back promotions and come 12th with Norwich, outplaying Villa on the final day comprehensively.

Some things work out some don't.

Cleverly does have some aspects that would be beneficial to us, especially if played in a more advanced midfield role.

agreed, I was just joking.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2014, 01:55:01 PM
I think that Sanchez is the only player that we've been linked with that hasn't been slated on here, I think that just because it hasn't gone that well for him at ManYoo doesn't mean he can't do a job for us, i think he's better than most of the players we have
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2014, 01:56:06 PM
The locker TBAR have embedded their mole in at BH is probably the one allocated to Culverhouse. The one the kids kick when they go in and out of the locker room. The lengths they go to for a scoop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
I don't see things in black and white though. I do however think Cleverley is a bit rubbish. But I am also hoping that should he sign, the more I say he is rubbish, the better he will be.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 28, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
I was totally underwhelmed when Sir Graham signed Paul McGrath from Manure and I'm glad to say I was miles off and even happier to be proved completely wrong  :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 28, 2014, 02:09:56 PM
Could this be Eric Djemba x 2?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 02:16:10 PM
I think Dave has used a good example with Cissokho. Liverpool fans thought he was bobbins and he looks excellent so far for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2014, 02:27:05 PM
I see where you are coming from vis a vis the Djemba Djemba brothers. Manure are probably concealing cleverly a twin brother, Tim.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
Problem being of course Dave that there was nothing to choose between the Djembas. They were both rubbish whichever one we played. At least with the Andy Grays you knew the white one was better than the black one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2014, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
Problem being of course Dave that there was nothing to choose between the Djembas. They were both rubbish whichever one we played. At least with the Andy Grays you knew the white one was better than the black one.

very good Mr Green and most accurate. Especially with regard to the Djemba twins.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 28, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
Problem being of course Dave that there was nothing to choose between the Djembas. They were both rubbish whichever one we played. At least with the Andy Grays you knew the white one was better than the black one.

There were 2 white ones. The first one was great. The 2nd one looked like very much like the dad of the former, though rumour has it he was the same player. The 2nd white one - he was pretty crap to say the least.

The black one was good when we played in an average league and not so good when we played in a good one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 28, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
Problem being of course Dave that there was nothing to choose between the Djembas. They were both rubbish whichever one we played. At least with the Andy Grays you knew the white one was better than the black one.

Thought , "whats Andy Gray doing now?" reckon he's worth a shirt in this team
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 02:59:01 PM
I'm sure Cleverley is good enough for us. At a club with less pressure I'm sure he'd do alright.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2014, 03:00:07 PM
In fairness to them, because prior to my eye surgery I could not see much further than the Holte End crossbar so I was never sure which of the Djembas it was, Eric or Derek. All water under both bridges now. I wish them well at Baden Baden or wherever they are now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
well one is in Once Brewed in Northumberland and the other is in Twice Brewed, also in Northumberland. Before that, they were both in the Finnish town of Ala-Lemu, which translates as Stinking from the Bottom
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 28, 2014, 03:27:01 PM


Can't see the logic or need for another average midfielder
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:28:30 PM
I don't really see Cleverley adding to our midfield what we really need.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2014, 03:34:39 PM
Hang on, so in the last 3 hours Tom Cleverley has morphed into a good player and will be a decent signing for us . Ha, this internet is brilliant.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 28, 2014, 03:34:59 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11061592/Aston-Villa-to-make-8million-bid-for-Manchester-United-midfielder-Tom-Cleverley.html

EIGHT MILLION !!!!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 28, 2014, 03:35:54 PM
How to solve a problem like our midfield.

It's been shite since Downing and Young left and doesn't look to improve for the foreseeable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 28, 2014, 03:36:28 PM
I think Cleverley is decent enough. i think if he'd have started his career with us rather than spending the last few seasons in\ masn \us first-team we'd be enthusing about him. I think there's something about him that would improve us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on August 28, 2014, 03:38:37 PM
Randy Lerner + Manure = disaster.  Does Cleverly come with a letter?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on August 28, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Cleverley is shite. Ridiculous to pay that when Kagawa is on his way out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
£8m . Sweet Jesus.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 02:16:10 PM
I think Dave has used a good example with Cissokho. Liverpool fans thought he was bobbins and he looks excellent so far for us.

Although, just as it is not really fair to write players off after two games, it is also pretty meaningless to hail them on the same basis.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 28, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
£8m? Well, we usually buy crap players for peanuts. Now we're buying average players for a lot of money. Progress?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
I can't help thinking that if you have £8m to spend on a midfielder you could do better than Tom Cleverley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2014, 03:45:51 PM
£8m fuck off he's free next year
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2014, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
I can't help thinking that if you have £8m to spend on a midfielder you could do better than Tom Cleverley.
James Milner ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:50:13 PM
I'm shocked in a good way that it would even be reported we're making an £8m bid for anyone.  I must admit I've never been hugely impressed with Cleverly but experienced managers have picked him repeatedly for club and country.  And I think there is a culture amongst football fans now to say people are "shit" if they're not as good as Yaya Toure on a regular basis.  Snobbishly I'd say this is more the inclination of armchair/sky fans, and they're particularly vocal on social media etc. 

Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 28, 2014, 03:34:39 PM
Hang on, so in the last 3 hours Tom Cleverley has morphed into a good player and will be a decent signing for us . Ha, this internet is brilliant.

It would be even better without misery arses like you clogging it up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 28, 2014, 03:52:19 PM
£8 million, er that song again.

premiership ur having a laugh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:50:13 PM
Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Maybe Lerner's thinking is he will make all this back as and when we're sold.  Assuming we will find a buyer my thought at this point is "Meh, it's not my money!"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2014, 03:53:31 PM
Cleverley isn't shite, but he isn't £8m good either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

Yep

"Cleverley signs new deal

Tom Cleverley has signed a new four-year deal which will see the midfielder stay at Old Trafford until the end of the 2014/15 season."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:50:13 PM
Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?

I think many people would have reacted the same way they have to most of Lambert's signings. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 28, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

It's all pretty academic if you are buying. If the player is out of contract the signing on fees go up, and the wages go up, so for a 4 year contract the overall cost may be the same.

And in fairness to Lambert, his above the bargain basement signings have been generally pretty astute so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 28, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
If he joins, let's see how he does for us before writing off someone who didn't become a Man United regular. A few weeks ago, Cissokho was the worst left back in Liverpool's history. He's looked okay for us.

To be honest, I don't believe it'd be £8m for one second.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 28, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
If we spend £8M on someone who's going to be FOC next year then we need our heads looking at.  Madness

Is that definitely correct, last year of contract?

It's all pretty academic if you are buying. If the player is out of contract the signing on fees go up, and the wages go up, so for a 4 year contract the overall cost may be the same.

And in fairness to Lambert, his above the bargain basement signings have been generally pretty astute so far.

I find it hard to believe Cleverley would bag anything like enough to touch £8m, though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:50:13 PM
Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?

I think many people would have reacted the same way they have to most of Lambert's signings. 

Yes, and they'd have been right more times than not, too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 28, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2014, 03:53:31 PM
Cleverley isn't shite, but he isn't £8m good either.

Difficult to know what is the right price these days when you see some of the fess being paid. If Shane long is a £12m player then anything is possible.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 03:50:13 PM
Not having a go at anyone on here but there have been plenty of very good players who popular opinion had labelled as rubbish.  I think Darren Fletcher is a good example.

And there are plenty of players who were labelled as poor who went on to be poor.

You can only judge a player on what you see from him, and what I see from Cleverley doesn't convince me we should be spending £8m on him. He manages to look consistently poor surrounded by Manchester United players or England internationals. I can only begin to imagine how that'll look playing for us.

Imagine we hadn't been linked with him, say a week ago, and someone had said "What about Tom Cleverley?" (no need to even raise the mooted £8m). How do we think they'd have reacted?

I think many people would have reacted the same way they have to most of Lambert's signings. 

Yes, and they'd have been right more times than not, too.

I'd say he's got value for money, usually.  The ones who haven't worked out have usually been punts for next to no money.

Basically, I don't think Tom cleverly is completely useless but nor have I ever thought he's a brilliant player.  If we sign him my mindset will be that I hope he works out, rather than assuming he'll fail.  Same whenever we sign a player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on August 28, 2014, 04:18:12 PM
Cleverley not a player I can get excited about.

Not as bad as some people make out just strikes me as another early/mid twenties English bod who has a few good games, get paid shedloads and then labelled as something beyond their stations by a lazy jingoistic press - file with Walcott, Wellbeck, Smalling, Walker and Wilshire.

If he comes here he could do a job with Delph and Sanchez with Westwood, Richardson and Bacuna as back up.

That leaves creative reponsibility on the improving full backs and Grealish and CNZ which is risk.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 28, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
If he joins, let's see how he does for us before writing off someone who didn't become a Man United regular. A few weeks ago, Cissokho was the worst left back in Liverpool's history. He's looked okay for us.

To be honest, I don't believe it'd be £8m for one second.

No, nor do I, not if he's only got a year left on his contract anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 28, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
Agreed with Ryu. Which of Lambert's signings can we say have been massive failures?
Sylla
Holt
Bennett
Helenius
Tonev
I'm sure I've missed a few, but that lot cost around £7m. He's got what he's paid for and in a few cases has got us players who we'll likely get a profit on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on August 28, 2014, 04:25:11 PM
My thoughts on Cleverly are that enough credible managers clearly rate him & seeing our midfield last season contained KEA & Sylla I'd welcome him. He's an improvement on Westwood.

1. Let's see if there's any truth in the rumour, probably yes
2. Let's see what the fee is, I'd suggest it'll be £4-5m
3. Let's give the guy a chance before we dismiss him as shite (if he signs).



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 28, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
Agreed with Ryu. Which of Lambert's signings can we say have been massive failures?
Sylla
Holt
Bennett
Helenius
Tonev
I'm sure I've missed a few, but that lot cost around £7m. He's got what he's paid for and in a few cases has got us players who we'll likely get a profit on.
I even think calling Sylla a massive failure is a bit harsh.  Maybe not good enough for the Prem long term but he came in and did a job we needed when he signed that January.  And his being in the side coincided with our best run of that season. 

I still think we could do with signing a wide player though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on August 28, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
The Times reporting he is going to Hull for 9mil
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
It's a bidding war!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andyh on August 28, 2014, 04:31:06 PM
I dont think its a question of him being shite.
For me, its will he improve the team, I'm not so sure. He seems to be another 'functional' footballer like KEA, Westwood and the like.
Remember, he is surrounded by quality where he is so that will influence how he appears...surround him with our lot and he'll look completely different.

I'd rather spend a smaller amount on someone who can a change a game, even if only for a short term.
Charlie Adam at Stoke, is a massive twat, but he still makes things happen when he plays.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 04:32:33 PM
£8 million?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11061592/Aston-Villa-to-make-8million-bid-for-Manchester-United-midfielder-Tom-Cleverley.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:33:49 PM
Also:

Luna
Helenius
Bowery

The jury is still out on others, too.

nb I didn't say "massive failure".
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2014, 04:34:06 PM
A sky sports journo has tweeted that United have accepted our bid
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: andyh on August 28, 2014, 04:31:06 PM
I dont think its a question of him being shite.
For me, its will he improve the team, I'm not so sure. He seems to be another 'functional' footballer like KEA, Westwood and the like.
Remember, he is surrounded by quality where he is so that will influence how he appears...surround him with our lot and he'll look completely different.

I'd rather spend a smaller amount on someone who can a change a game, even if only for a short term.
Charlie Adam at Stoke, is a massive twat, but he still makes things happen when he plays.

He makes the ground shake, the fat bastard!  Cleverley has been surrounded by quality like Fellaini, Young, Valencia and Nani.  All of whom have looked like shadows of the players they were at previous clubs in the last couple of years at Man Ure.  With the exception of Nani who never looked much cop.

Anyway, Times reporting us and Hull have bid.  If he goes to Hull he's always been shite!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:33:49 PM
Also:

Luna
Helenius
Bowery

The jury is still out on others, too.

nb I didn't say "massive failure".

No Tom_mc9 did.  And he mentioned Helenius already.  And tbf I think Bowery did what he was there to do.  Come on as sub occasionally and throw his weight around a bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 28, 2014, 04:38:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:33:49 PM
Also:

Luna
Helenius
Bowery

The jury is still out on others, too.

nb I didn't say "massive failure".

Apologies, poor wording by me. Again though, those players weren't expensive.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
Maybe he can play a half for both teams on Sunday and decide at the end, in front of a half-empty Villa Park, that Hull Tigers are ultimately the team for him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jimbo on August 28, 2014, 04:44:34 PM
My first reaction: oh shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:49:43 PM
Can we have Huddlestone if they Get Cleverley?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: thick_mike on August 28, 2014, 04:50:26 PM
Bowery was a success for that one performance against Hull at the end of last season. He had a great game when we needed him to to keep us up. Probably earned his fee and wages with that one game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 28, 2014, 04:50:58 PM
Frankly I'd rather sign Anderson from Man United.......Willie Anderson that is!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 28, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
Maybe he can play a half for both teams on Sunday and decide at the end, in front of a half-empty Villa Park, that Hull Tigers are ultimately the team for him.

He should watch that Getting Mauled by the Tigers song on YouTube and come to the conclusion that the US should really be bomibng Hull.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 28, 2014, 04:52:30 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
It's a bidding war!

just read that, my office is very quiet at the mo, and I had to make my laugh sound like a cough.

oscar on its way , NO
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
I'd be gutted giving them 8 million for him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 28, 2014, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2014, 04:33:49 PM
Also:

Luna
Helenius
Bowery

The jury is still out on others, too.

nb I didn't say "massive failure".

ADD TO THAT PAUL ATKINSON
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on August 28, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
8m for T.C. when Xabi Alonso has gone to Bayern for 5m!!!!!!!!!! The worlds mad :o :o :o
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2014, 04:54:51 PM
In the contect of the exprience he has and what other players are going for, £8 million isn't a lot. It just seems a lot for us as we haven't spent a great deal for some time now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 04:57:17 PM
I'd prefer young for 8 , to be honest
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2014, 05:01:30 PM
8 mill for a player who's marginally better than Westwood is a gamble. The sad truth is we need to fill a void in midfield with a genuinely good player, someone far more up with, and probably beyond Delph's quality. Cleverely might improve us a notch or two but we need a big step up from Westwood, not a small one. The midfield is still a bit shit. We've signed Sanchez to be our water carrier. That's part one done. But we still need a bit of class and guile in there to compliment Delph's energy and the donkey work Sanchez (when he settles) will do. Westwood is not that player and never will be. Cleverely probably wouldn't either.
Unfortunately in our current state it's all about slow and steady improvements. Barring an incredibly fortuitious piece of scouting ala Benteke.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 28, 2014, 04:52:30 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 28, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
It's a bidding war!

just read that, my office is very quiet at the mo, and I had to make my laugh sound like a cough.

oscar on its way , NO

My work here is done.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 28, 2014, 05:08:10 PM
Kagawa is the better ManU off cast. Still, I would take Cleverley with a smile.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2014, 05:01:30 PM
8 mill for a player who's marginally better than Westwood is a gamble. The sad truth is we need to fill a void in midfield with a genuinely good player, someone far more up with, and probably beyond Delph's quality. Cleverely might improve us a notch or two but we need a big step up from Westwood, not a small one. The midfield is still a bit shit. We've signed Sanchez to be our water carrier. That's part one done. But we still need a bit of class and guile in there to compliment Delph's energy and the donkey work Sanchez (when he settles) will do. Westwood is not that player and never will be. Cleverely probably wouldn't either.
Unfortunately in our current state it's all about slow and steady improvements. Barring an incredibly fortuitious piece of scouting ala Benteke.


What worries me , would cleverly have improved us last night, I very much doubt it

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
If the price is £8m, then we can't exactly accuse Randy of trying to do the bare minimum whilst he's looking for a buyer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2014, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2014, 05:01:30 PM
8 mill for a player who's marginally better than Westwood is a gamble. The sad truth is we need to fill a void in midfield with a genuinely good player, someone far more up with, and probably beyond Delph's quality. Cleverely might improve us a notch or two but we need a big step up from Westwood, not a small one. The midfield is still a bit shit. We've signed Sanchez to be our water carrier. That's part one done. But we still need a bit of class and guile in there to compliment Delph's energy and the donkey work Sanchez (when he settles) will do. Westwood is not that player and never will be. Cleverely probably wouldn't either.
Unfortunately in our current state it's all about slow and steady improvements. Barring an incredibly fortuitious piece of scouting ala Benteke.


What worries me , would cleverly have improved us last night, I very much doubt it


He's one of those ordinary sort of midfielders. Tidy. He's not the sort who'll go and start putting his foot in when you need to disrupt the opposition. Likewise you won't see him playing an eye of the needle pass to unlock a defence too often, nor take on and beat a couple of defenders when you need a spark.
If you have a runner like Delph and a player like Sanchez, we could afford a third player who's...well...like a younger  and less past it version of Joe Cole.
We're just getting a slight upgrade on Westwood. That may help us in some games, and provide us with someone who stays more present in games (I hope) than Westwoodio the magnificent (and his disappearing act).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 28, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
If the price is £8m, then we can't exactly accuse Randy of trying to do the bare minimum whilst he's looking for a buyer.

Totally agree, which is why I constantly question the poor purchases and crap coaching when they get here.  I would much prefer us to use the money to sack Lambert and hope that Tom Fox is a better judge of character than Lerner. I'm positive that there is better out there for 8 million.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 28, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
 Thats a good assessment supertom.We need a young Joe Cole, but these kind of players are either incredibly expensive, or incredibly inconsistent. You could buy Morrisson, or maybe Ben Arfa, but what would you get?

 Cleverley does move the ball quickly, and does move off the ball far better than Westwood.He would be an improvement, and after thinking about it theres not many other players out there who would be as positive, or gettable as Cleverley......maybe Dembele, not sure about Holtby tbh.

 I wouldn't be too disappointed with Cleverley tbh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2014, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on August 28, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
Thats a good assessment supertom.We need a young Joe Cole, but these kind of players are either incredibly expensive, or incredibly inconsistent. You could buy Morrisson, or maybe Ben Arfa, but what would you get?

 Cleverley does move the ball quickly, and does move off the ball far better than Westwood.He would be an improvement, and after thinking about it theres not many other players out there who would be as positive, or gettable as Cleverley......maybe Dembele, not sure about Holtby tbh.

 I wouldn't be too disappointed with Cleverley tbh.

We might have one!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
As much as it's glaringly obvious we need a good winger, I'm not sure Lambert will ever be comfortable using a winger. I suspect he'll play Grealish in just left of centre, and Zogbia will play either right side cutting in, or just behind the forward(s).
We can hope for signing someone like Andros Townsend but it won't happen.

If we sign Cleverely and he gets back to his Wigan form he'll prove good business. Would he be our last signing? I think Lambert might have 1 more target in mind after TC. Hopefully someone who will score or create goals. We can't rely on Zogbia and Cole for differing reasons, and it wouldn't be fair to rest too much pressure on Jack.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: wozwebs on August 28, 2014, 06:16:56 PM
To be fair, that guy is the one to watch on Twitter then. Said Cleverley this morning and press picked it up late on this afternoon / evening.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.
Wigan level?   Great
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
As much as it's glaringly obvious we need a good winger, I'm not sure Lambert will ever be comfortable using a winger. I suspect he'll play Grealish in just left of centre, and Zogbia will play either right side cutting in, or just behind the forward(s).
We can hope for signing someone like Andros Townsend but it won't happen.

If we sign Cleverely and he gets back to his Wigan form he'll prove good business. Would he be our last signing? I think Lambert might have 1 more target in mind after TC. Hopefully someone who will score or create goals. We can't rely on Zogbia and Cole for differing reasons, and it wouldn't be fair to rest too much pressure on Jack.
most players go backwards here . was he that good at Wigan . 3 goals and 2 assists
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.

Wigan had a manager that knew his arse from his elbow. We don't have that luxury.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 07:24:05 PM
I just think we need to spend that money on that playmaker . we create nothing , we haven't done for years . Cleverly , we have already got this type of player and 8 million is too much to be spending on him , instead of other areas
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 28, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.

Wigan had a manager that knew his arse from his elbow. We don't have that luxury.

That raises a point actually, if Cleverley is available for a reasonable (ish) price - I wonder why Martinez and Everton aren't interested.

Unless he saw enough in a year of working with him to decide that he doesn't want to bother having him back.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 07:29:05 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 28, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.

Wigan had a manager that knew his arse from his elbow. We don't have that luxury.

That raises a point actually, if Cleverley is available for a reasonable (ish) price - I wonder why Martinez and Everton aren't interested.

Unless he saw enough in a year of working with him to decide that he doesn't want to bother having him back.
good point dave
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 28, 2014, 07:39:11 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 28, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.

Wigan had a manager that knew his arse from his elbow. We don't have that luxury.

That raises a point actually, if Cleverley is available for a reasonable (ish) price - I wonder why Martinez and Everton aren't interested.

Unless he saw enough in a year of working with him to decide that he doesn't want to bother having him back.

Yep, that can be the only reason.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:43:55 PM
I didn't say that would be the only reason.

I've got nothing hugely against this deal, I think he would improve us. Not as much as I'd like a signing that we're apparently spending £8m on, but improving us nonetheless.

I'd just be curious why a manager with whom he has worked before and is now at a club who can both afford him and is in a more attractive position than us wouldn't want to sign him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 07:46:22 PM
I read that Everton are interested so may come in yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:48:57 PM
Fair enough, that covers that off then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2014, 07:51:56 PM
Yes, Nis Satis Nisi Optimum.co.uk report the following:

Quote

Blues face race for Cleverley

August 28, 2014

Everton are apparently preparing to match a bid from Aston Villa which has been accepted by Manchester United for midfielder Tom Cleverley.
The England international has been told he can leave Old Trafford and is desperate to sign elsewhere before the transfer window closes on Monday.
Having worked with Roberto Martinez before, it would seem that if the Spaniard wants his man, then he must match the bid that United have accepted for Cleverley.
While on loan at Wigan under Martinez, Cleverley looked to have a bright future in the game, but after a succession of United manager have shown they don’t fancy him, his reputation has taken a bit of a battering.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on August 28, 2014, 07:52:06 PM
Last night, Villa popped the ball around with sharp passing. Until reaching the halfway line and nervily passing back to Given. Possession without penetration. Cleverly would pointlessly enhance that, so like the last 2 seasons minus the HOOF that occasionally led to a crucial goal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 28, 2014, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on August 28, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
He was good at Wigan, he may not be top class but he's pretty good for our level.

Wigan had a manager that knew his arse from his elbow. We don't have that luxury.

That raises a point actually, if Cleverley is available for a reasonable (ish) price - I wonder why Martinez and Everton aren't interested.

Unless he saw enough in a year of working with him to decide that he doesn't want to bother having him back.

Or Martinez doesn't want/have room to buy every ex-Wigan player that comes up for sale?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
Some Journos on bulltwit are suggesting Everton Villa and Hull are each in talks with him. Not sure where he fits in the Everton side, or Hull really, but I would bet on us not signing him.

Puncheon and a striker would be my targets now anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2014, 08:15:18 PM
Wouldn't shock me if Everton targeted Delph tbh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Delph will sign a new deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 28, 2014, 09:11:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
Some Journos on bulltwit are suggesting Everton Villa and Hull are each in talks with him. Not sure where he fits in the Everton side, or Hull really, but I would bet on us not signing him.

Puncheon and a striker would be my targets now anyway.

I like Puncheon too. Given his previous with Warnock he may be on his way sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 28, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Delph will sign a new deal.

We hope. This treatment of albrighton doesn't bode well though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
How's tonev been doing /
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2014, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
How's tonev been doing /
Not played yet I don't think.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on August 28, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
How's tonev been doing /
Not played yet I don't think.

If his sense of direction is as accurate as his shooting he is probably in Copenhagen instead of Glasgow
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richardhubbard on August 28, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
Midfield cleverley Sanchez and Delphi would be pretty good
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nastylee on August 28, 2014, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on August 28, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2014, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
How's tonev been doing /
Not played yet I don't think.

If his sense of direction is as accurate as his shooting he is probably in Copenhagen instead of Glasgow

If that's the case, I wouldn't rule him out opening his account for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 28, 2014, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Delph will sign a new deal.

Gotta be offered one first.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2014, 11:33:56 PM
Even if we don't get Cleverley, at least we are in the market for a midfielder which is an encouraging sign. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
Good old midlandsagent on twitter claiming we are trying to loan a bloake I have never heard of from the French second division.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 29, 2014, 12:35:30 AM
My thinking:

Have we signed Cleverly?
No: Good. Least it shows we're still up for spending. Let's get a forward in.
Yes: Ah. Well. Could work. How much?

8 million?!
No: Good job, he's not worth 8 mil.
Yes: Shit. Really? Well i guess that might be the market, some ridiculous prices out there. Be alright if we get a pacey forward in.

Sept 2nd. Forward in?
No: Fuck off so we used our budget up on Cleverly? (Level of anger dependant on price, whether or not that was our budget is irrelevant as I'll be narked). We clearly are not scoring shit at the moment.
Yes: Oh our squad doesn't look too bad. 12th here we come.


Basically come back to me.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 29, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
At last some ambition. A shit English player for silly money
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on August 29, 2014, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on August 29, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
At last some ambition. A shit English player for silly money

Silly money? Not in todays market, it's about 6 or seven years ago we paid more than that for an unknown player from Watford.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 29, 2014, 07:17:14 AM
And how do we know it is actually £8m?  All our deals have been over-inflated when reorted in the press, Lambert said this last year a few times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 07:17:45 AM
Quote from: manic-road on August 29, 2014, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on August 29, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
At last some ambition. A shit English player for silly money

Silly money? Not in todays market, it's about 6 or seven years ago we paid more than that for an unknown player from Watford.
the problem with your comparison is that TC is known; and not in positive terms.
Critics seem to forget that RedNose and other respected managers have pretty consistently selected him to do the boring stuff of midfield.
TC's public image is awful: he ain't as bad as that but he probably is not of international quality either. What did Hull pay for Snodgrass and Livermore? - 6-7m? TC at £7-8m is where the market is, it seems.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on August 29, 2014, 07:30:19 AM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 07:17:45 AM
Quote from: manic-road on August 29, 2014, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on August 29, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
At last some ambition. A shit English player for silly money

Silly money? Not in todays market, it's about 6 or seven years ago we paid more than that for an unknown player from Watford.
the problem with your comparison is that TC is known; and not in positive terms.
Critics seem to forget that RedNose and other respected managers have pretty consistently selected him to do the boring stuff of midfield.
TC's public image is awful: he ain't as bad as that but he probably is not of international quality either. What did Hull pay for Snodgrass and Livermore? - 6-7m? TC at £7-8m is where the market is, it seems.

You say he is not known in positive terms, is that by people who post on internet forums because he must have impressed SAF and England managers in the last few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
but that implies SAF and others have never bought/selected duds. SAF's  tenure is littered with them
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on August 29, 2014, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
but that implies SAF and others have never bought/selected duds. SAF's  tenure is littered with them

Well it wasn't meant to imply that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2014, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Puncheon and Bolasie would be nice. Both are excellent.

Sky saying that Bolasie has signed a new three year deal at Palace
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
Boooo good player.


I still want Sinclair. Think he would do well in our side.


No chance of Cleverley now with the other interested sides. Signs for us I will donate a tenner to here. Just can't see us winning a direct battle for a player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Much of the antipathy towards Cleverley stems from his England performances and how deeply unpopular he was with the England "fans" who as other fans know are much more armchair based. A player they also slag off without mercy is James Milner. By and large they do not have a good word to say for him. However, we at Villa know him to be a very good player. I am not suggesting for one moment that Cleverley is in the same class as JM but I do believe that there are players who can come on leaps and bounds in a new environment. I take heart from the fact that if we are wasting £8 million on a player we are at least back at the table in the poker game which is English football
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2014, 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Much of the antipathy towards Cleverley stems from his England performances and how deeply unpopular he was with the England "fans" who as other fans know are much more armchair based. A player they also slag off without mercy is James Milner. By and large they do not have a good word to say for him. However, we at Villa know him to be a very good player. I am not suggesting for one moment that Cleverley is in the same class as JM but I do believe that there are players who can come on leaps and bounds in a new environment. I take heart from the fact that if we are wasting £8 million on a player we are at least back at the table in the poker game which is English football

Brian, excellent point, regardless of personal opinion of the player it's a relief that we appear be behaving like a top flight football club again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 29, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Much of the antipathy towards Cleverley stems from his England performances and how deeply unpopular he was with the England "fans" who as other fans know are much more armchair based. A player they also slag off without mercy is James Milner. By and large they do not have a good word to say for him. However, we at Villa know him to be a very good player. I am not suggesting for one moment that Cleverley is in the same class as JM but I do believe that there are players who can come on leaps and bounds in a new environment. I take heart from the fact that if we are wasting £8 million on a player we are at least back at the table in the poker game which is English football

That's a very good point. I've lost count of the amount of times I've shaken my head in disbelief while some armchair moron slags off Milner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

It's the nations loss that you never had the chance to show us what a player you are.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 29, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

It's the nations loss that you never had the chance to show us what a player you are.

I've had it throughout my career. Even as a manager.

You ungrateful bastards.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2014, 12:19:53 PM
But you resigned after fifteen minutes in the job.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
It was the best fifteen minutes of the season though. I will give you that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smoke on August 29, 2014, 12:26:34 PM
Ads has the best defensive record of any Villa Manager. Fact.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clive W on August 29, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Unfortunately he almost has the best scoring record as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 29, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
It was the best fifteen minutes of the season though. I will give you that.

I've no time for him...didn't even come over to acknowledge the fans...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Much of the antipathy towards Cleverley stems from his England performances and how deeply unpopular he was with the England "fans" who as other fans know are much more armchair based. A player they also slag off without mercy is James Milner. By and large they do not have a good word to say for him. However, we at Villa know him to be a very good player. I am not suggesting for one moment that Cleverley is in the same class as JM but I do believe that there are players who can come on leaps and bounds in a new environment. I take heart from the fact that if we are wasting £8 million on a player we are at least back at the table in the poker game which is English football

you're right. Beyond the player it is the fact as you point out that Randy is backing the manager in the market, something we all know he has to do. If he's willing to back him up here then there could be other deals being talked about of a similar ilk. Lambert did suggest 1 or 2, and we haven't considered that some players could still depart. For what it's worth I don't think that Vlaar will go at all barring something mental bid coming in, which frankly should have happened already and hasn't. I can see the likes of KEA going for example, with two coming in before the deadline.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Diablo on August 29, 2014, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 10:58:50 AM

No chance of Cleverley now with the other interested sides. Signs for us I will donate a tenner to here. Just can't see us winning a direct battle for a player.

I think now that Hull have got knocked out of Europe we could pip them to his signiture but if Everton match the asking fee (Everton still in Europe, Martinez former manager) I think it's highly unlikely we'll get him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
aren't Valencia also interested?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
aren't Valencia also interested?

I saw they just entered the fray.

It looks like the Tesco bags are going to snap up Seb Blanco for only £2m, and I think his creativity could've been used here. Oh well. Apparently Alex Song is coming to England in the cheap, west ham in the lead.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 29, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
aren't Valencia also interested?

I saw they just entered the fray.

It looks like the Tesco bags are going to snap up Seb Blanco for only £2m, and I think his creativity could've been used here. Oh well. Apparently Alex Song is coming to England in the cheap, west ham in the lead.

I really like Alex Song but he's ever so injury prone.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on August 29, 2014, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 29, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
aren't Valencia also interested?

I saw they just entered the fray.

It looks like the Tesco bags are going to snap up Seb Blanco for only £2m, and I think his creativity could've been used here. Oh well. Apparently Alex Song is coming to England in the cheap, west ham in the lead.

I really like Alex Song but he's ever so injury prone.

According too:  http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/alex-song/profil/spieler/27394 he's not had a bad injury for three years.

(Yes I'm bored at work). 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on August 29, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
Jamie O'Hara has just left the Dogheads by mutual consent...   ;)

*runs away
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 29, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
aren't Valencia also interested?

I saw they just entered the fray.

It looks like the Tesco bags are going to snap up Seb Blanco for only £2m, and I think his creativity could've been used here. Oh well. Apparently Alex Song is coming to England in the cheap, west ham in the lead.

I really like Alex Song but he's ever so injury prone.

We've got Sanchez to fill that kind of role. 

As for Cleverley, I wonder if the chance to work with Roy Keane might be persuasive.  Keane is likely to be an idol for a lot of current players and I just wonder whether that might be a draw, particularly for midfield players.  Or am I just clutching at straws?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2014, 02:44:43 PM
The Mail Online reckon that Cleverley has already met with Keane.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2014, 02:50:47 PM
If its us, Hull and Valencia in for him, I think he'd come here.

Charlie don't surf and Englishmen don't travel.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 29, 2014, 02:57:52 PM
"I watch Spanish football a lot. If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them."  Tom Cleverley.

I do agree though we should be able to get him ahead of those two clubs, If Everton are in for him that's a different matter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on August 29, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 29, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 29, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
aren't Valencia also interested?

I saw they just entered the fray.

It looks like the Tesco bags are going to snap up Seb Blanco for only £2m, and I think his creativity could've been used here. Oh well. Apparently Alex Song is coming to England in the cheap, west ham in the lead.

I really like Alex Song but he's ever so injury prone.

We've got Sanchez to fill that kind of role. 

As for Cleverley, I wonder if the chance to work with Roy Keane might be persuasive.  Keane is likely to be an idol for a lot of current players and I just wonder whether that might be a draw, particularly for midfield players.  Or am I just clutching at straws?

Hopefully we get the players we want on the basis that after they have met Roy Keane they will be too scared of what he might do to them to dare sign for anyone else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
The Cleverley manoeuvre has a neat, if  unintended serendipity as you comment rightly Toronto. The message it sends out is don't try to second guess the Villa. The Lawro massive had got us written off and sinking. A bid of £8 million for a £12 million player would have had the pundits still writing us off for wishful thinking. Just trying to boost season ticket sales they would have scoffed.  But to make an offer of £8 million for a player worth £4 million is blue sky (sorry about the B word) thinking LVG can only dream of. In one move we have got our billionaire owner back. Naive he may be and fickle too and impulsive but he still has a hell of a lot of money.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2014, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
The Cleverley manoeuvre has a neat, if  unintended serendipity as you comment rightly Toronto. The message it sends out is don't try to second guess the Villa. The Lawro massive had got us written off and sinking. A bid of £8 million for a £12 million player would have had the pundits still writing us off for wishful thinking. Just trying to boost season ticket sales they would have scoffed.  But to make an offer of £8 million for a player worth £4 million is blue sky (sorry about the B word) thinking LVG can only dream of. In one move we have got our billionaire owner back. Naive he may be and fickle too and impulsive but he still has a hell of a lot of money.

the one thing I'll say for the market is that it is what it is. By that I mean, I really have no idea Cleverley's actual worth other than to position against other deals. English players are inflated in price and average PL clubs tend to pay too much for players anyway. But when you look at some of the other bizarre deals that have taken place is  the figure being quoted anything other than what the market is dictating and for a player that not that long ago was playing quite frequently for the champions and in the England squad?

As for Randy I have never felt he gave up, just that he didn't have the appetite to sustain what he started to that degree. He hasn't sold the club yet so he needs to support it which he continues to do even if on a more conservative level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on August 29, 2014, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
The Cleverley manoeuvre has a neat, if  unintended serendipity as you comment rightly Toronto. The message it sends out is don't try to second guess the Villa. The Lawro massive had got us written off and sinking. A bid of £8 million for a £12 million player would have had the pundits still writing us off for wishful thinking. Just trying to boost season ticket sales they would have scoffed.  But to make an offer of £8 million for a player worth £4 million is blue sky (sorry about the B word) thinking LVG can only dream of. In one move we have got our billionaire owner back. Naive he may be and fickle too and impulsive but he still has a hell of a lot of money.

the one thing I'll say for the market is that it is what it is. By that I mean, I really have no idea Cleverley's actual worth other than to position against other deals. English players are inflated in price and average PL clubs tend to pay too much for players anyway. But when you look at some of the other bizarre deals that have taken place is  the figure being quoted anything other than what the market is dictating and for a player that not that long ago was playing quite frequently for the champions and in the England squad?

As for Randy I have never felt he gave up, just that he didn't have the appetite to sustain what he started to that degree. He hasn't sold the club yet so he needs to support it which he continues to do even if on a more conservative level.
What did MON pay for Delph? - c£6m, 4 years' ago?
Are Delph and Cleverley roughly equal in capability and potential? - probably yes, in terms of style and energy.

Seems to me that the real discussion is: do we want another MF dynamo or should we be signing a goalscorer / goalmaker?
Maybe TC will be joined by another surprise signing with the goalscorer / goalmaker capability.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.

He probably was and in a team that was clicking and playing very well, partly because of him of course. I still don't think he's quite as good as is often made out though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 29, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.

James Milner was our best central midfielder since Bruce Rioch. That includes Dennis Mortimer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.

He probably was and in a team that was clicking and playing very well, partly because of him of course. I still don't think he's quite as good as is often made out though

He was for us, and that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
He was excellent in that centre midfield role and even when he knew he was off, he put a shift in during his last game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
I agree with you TV but I think Randy Lerner is not liberal or conservative with his money, he just goes with his gut feeling. MON's profligacy pissed him off. Lamberts parsimony pleases him. My wife had granny who was very rich (see Peaky Blinders) on a visit to her house in Small Heath the old gal would take a diamond ring off her finger and give it to my wife. The next time you went to see her she would demand the ring back but give my wife a gold necklace in exchange. Odd metaphor but I think Randy carries his wealth like that. Generous and stingy in turn. I think/hope Cleverley may be ushering in a generous phase.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.

James Milner was our best central midfielder since Bruce Rioch. That includes Dennis Mortimer.

It certainly doesn't include Gordon Sidney Cowans.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 29, 2014, 04:11:08 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.

James Milner was our best central midfielder since Bruce Rioch. That includes Dennis Mortimer.

It certainly doesn't include Gordon Sidney Cowans.

Or Andy Townsend, Steve McMahon, Alex Cropley or Gareth Barry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andyaston on August 29, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
Nor Dennis
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 29, 2014, 04:14:43 PM
Milner was better than Townsend imo and also Barry, ok it was only 6 months and Barry played consistently well over a number of seasons, but Milner was better in central midfield for those 6 months than Barry was over a number of years, again in my opinion that is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 29, 2014, 04:19:53 PM
He was certainly better than Townsend.  Not as good as the rest mentioned but a better grafter than any of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
Through gritted teeth David Platt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 29, 2014, 04:19:53 PM
He was certainly better than Townsend.  Not as good as the rest mentioned but a better grafter than any of them.

Sorry Bren, can't agree with that. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 29, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 29, 2014, 04:11:08 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Milner is an average winger, but an excellent central midfielder. He's won two titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup, played Euorpean football but at the expense of his potential.

Fine balance really. I think I'd end up being disappointed that I didn't get the chance to show what sort of player I was capable of being.

I don't think he was ever that good to think that way to be honest, even in his best position

For that six months he played in central midfield, he was as good as Gerrard.

James Milner was our best central midfielder since Bruce Rioch. That includes Dennis Mortimer.

It certainly doesn't include Gordon Sidney Cowans.

Or Andy Townsend, Steve McMahon, Alex Cropley or Gareth Barry.




I note David Hunt isn't in that group…why ever not?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on August 29, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
 I see in the Star (yes, I know) that they are claiming Spurs are looking at Welbeck on loan.  I don't believe they are for one moment but what do the H+V massive think about us having a sniff around him??  Not a prolific goal scorer but he is still young, still learning, has a wealth of experience at all levels of the game and would add some class in a front line currently bereft of such a thing... (apologies if this has been discussed but 2 weeks without the tinterweb has left me behind the times.)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2014, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on August 29, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
I see in the Star (yes, I know) that they are claiming Spurs are looking at Welbeck on loan.  I don't believe they are for one moment but what do the H+V massive think about us having a sniff around him??  Not a prolific goal scorer but he is still young, still learning, has a wealth of experience at all levels of the game and would add some class in a front line currently bereft of such a thing... (apologies if this has been discussed but 2 weeks without the tinterweb has left me behind the times.)

I don't think the 'massive' are keen, but I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on August 29, 2014, 05:35:13 PM
I'd have Welbeck for sure.  He's not world class or anything, but like Cleverly I think he's suffered from the high expectations and scrutiny that come from playing for england and ManU.  He's probably top-half quality, and definently better than Weimann and Gabby.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
He was excellent in that centre midfield role and even when he knew he was off, he put a shift in during his last game.

That game against West Ham was one of Milner's finest games for us. He single-handedly took them apart - he was announced to boos and left to a standing ovation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2014, 05:44:39 PM
I like James Milner but there isn't half some revisionism gone on where he's concerned, not in the same class as the likes of Dennis, Dennis Mortimer or Sid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 29, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 29, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
He was excellent in that centre midfield role and even when he knew he was off, he put a shift in during his last game.

That game against West Ham was one of Milner's finest games for us. He single-handedly took them apart - he was announced to boos and left to a standing ovation.

Closest to tears I have been watching a player leave he VP pitch. It was such a sad moment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2014, 05:56:16 PM
I saw Milner play in  a cup game for the Jawdies against Coventry, in late August 2008 just before we bought him and he was the best player on view by a country mile. Didn't rate him during that loan spell but between 2008-10 my favourite Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2014, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2014, 05:44:39 PM
I like James Milner but there isn't half some revisionism gone on where he's concerned, not in the same class as the likes of Dennis, Dennis Mortimer or Sid.

Tbf, I think only one person's come out with that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 29, 2014, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph

Lee Hendrie?  Sorry but no.  Ditto Delph.  I'm too young to have ever seen some of them player and wasn't old enough to pass reliable comment on others, but him moving too central midfield was the reason Barry leaving didn't really affect us negatively the season after. He was excellent consistently over that season in a way Hendrie never was and Delph hasn't been yet.  If Delph ever gets as good as Milner I'll be delighted.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 29, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2014, 05:44:39 PM
I like James Milner but there isn't half some revisionism gone on where he's concerned, not in the same class as the likes of Dennis, Dennis Mortimer or Sid.

I couldn't agree more. Yes, he was good and he had some matches where he was outstanding but he's way down my list of our best midfielders ever...or at least the ones I have seen since 1974
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 29, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 29, 2014, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph

Lee Hendrie?  Sorry but no.  Ditto Delph.  I'm too young to have ever seen some of them player and wasn't old enough to pass reliable comment on others, but him moving too central midfield was the reason Barry leaving didn't really affect us negatively the season after. He was excellent consistently over that season in a way Hendrie never was and Delph hasn't been yet.  If Delph ever gets as good as Milner I'll be delighted.

I'm sorry but you're crazy if you think that Paul Mortimer was better than Milner. You missed Reo-Coker off the list too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 29, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
But he was'nt as good as Harry Gregory!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on August 29, 2014, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 29, 2014, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph

Lee Hendrie?  Sorry but no.  Ditto Delph.  I'm too young to have ever seen some of them player and wasn't old enough to pass reliable comment on others, but him moving too central midfield was the reason Barry leaving didn't really affect us negatively the season after. He was excellent consistently over that season in a way Hendrie never was and Delph hasn't been yet.  If Delph ever gets as good as Milner I'll be delighted.

As good as Milner was hendrie, and now Delph, have done it consistently for us over a longer period than Milner played in the position. So, as good as a player that he was for us, I can't say he was better than Delph or Hendrie in centre-mid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Oh dear.
The top three in your list were comfortably better than JM.

Townsend - hmmm, not sure: more drive but not the range of passing that JM has.
Platt was a No 10 and played a different game to JM.
Delph has yet to do it.
Richardson was a water carrier who occasionally weighed in with goals.
Hendrie was inconsistent and prone to acts of stupidity.
McMahon sadly played relatively poorly for us - great at Everton and Liverpool.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: newtonsballs on August 29, 2014, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
But he was'nt as good as Harry Gregory!

I remember Harry being booed at a reserve match at Villa Park. One fella shouted that he was a disgrace to the shirt; Harry looked quite upset. Mind you, he was shite.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 07:32:24 PM
Oh, FFS

Harj Johal @harj04  ·  13m
Bid accepted for Jozy Altidore #AVFC

Please, god, no
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 29, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
Piss off. :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 29, 2014, 07:37:43 PM
I checked it. You're pulling our leg.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 29, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
Piss off. :)

(http://i.imgur.com/e0HcBMV.png)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 29, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
I think a strong focal point type striker who can hold the ball up would benefit the team a lot until Benteke is fit.

Altidore isn't a very good player though, unless I'm missing lots of unsung good work he does.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on August 29, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: Ryu on August 29, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
I think a strong focal point type striker who can hold the ball up would benefit the team a lot until Benteke is fit.

Altidore isn't a very good player though, unless I'm missing lots of unsung good work he does.

You've not missed a thing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 29, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 29, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
Piss off. :)

(http://i.imgur.com/e0HcBMV.png)
you spanner! :) that made me laugh.

I do follow him on twitter!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
So is it a wind-up or not?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 08:05:47 PM
He's taken it down now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
So is it a wind-up or not?

Yes
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on August 29, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Oh dear.
The top three in your list were comfortably better than JM.

Townsend - hmmm, not sure: more drive but not the range of passing that JM has.
Platt was a No 10 and played a different game to JM.
Delph has yet to do it.
Richardson was a water carrier who occasionally weighed in with goals.
Hendrie was inconsistent and prone to acts of stupidity.
McMahon sadly played relatively poorly for us - great at Everton and Liverpool.

Kieran Richardson?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 29, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
How does he know what's goin on then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2014, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
So is it a wind-up or not?

Yes

And just before that

Harj Johal @harj04  · 8m
Bid tabled and being considered for Rory Delap #AVFC
Villa looking to improve throw ins
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Oh dear.
The top three in your list were comfortably better than JM.

Townsend - hmmm, not sure: more drive but not the range of passing that JM has.

Townsend was better than Milner in pretty much every department, including passing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2014, 08:50:19 PM
Milner will or be remembered as a legend. Please, please move on!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on August 29, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Oh dear.
The top three in your list were comfortably better than JM.

Townsend - hmmm, not sure: more drive but not the range of passing that JM has.
Platt was a No 10 and played a different game to JM.
Delph has yet to do it.
Richardson was a water carrier who occasionally weighed in with goals.
Hendrie was inconsistent and prone to acts of stupidity.
McMahon sadly played relatively poorly for us - great at Everton and Liverpool.

Kieran Richardson?
No, Kevin.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 29, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Oh dear.
The top three in your list were comfortably better than JM.

Townsend - hmmm, not sure: more drive but not the range of passing that JM has.

Townsend was better than Milner in pretty much every department, including passing.
well, let's agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2014, 09:03:02 PM
Townsend in some respects was Milner before Milner. He had almost everything you'd want in CM. Strong, aggressive, great left foot. A really good leader too.

Talks complete bollocks now mind you, but he was a super player and captain.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
Milner was the glue that held us together in 09/10. Look at how our midfield has declined since he left, immediately and still to the present day although with Sanchez and maybe Cleverley that will be the strongest we've been in that area for sometime.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
There's a lot of revisionism on here, plenty of people thought we were getting a better player back in that Milner deal, if Ireland had played anything like we hoped no one would mention milner.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I don't really remember many people saying Ireland was a better player than Milner.

A good player underpriced in his part of the deal, maybe, but better than Milner? i don't remember it that way.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on August 29, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
Too slow to play as a winger but even so his tracking back was the best i have seen from any Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Victor Machin Perez is the latest twitter name to be banded about, anyone got a clue who he is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 29, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I don't really remember many people saying Ireland was a better player than Milner.

A good player underpriced in his part of the deal, maybe, but better than Milner? i don't remember it that way.

No, it seemed more "Well if me really have to lose Milner to a bigger club at least we are getting a decent player in exchange". Okay so even that was utter bollocks but it seemed the general gist at the time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 09:55:30 PM
I think 20 million plus Ireleand most thought was a decent deal having seen Ireland 18 months previous score 10-15 league goals and look pretty impressive. Little did we know he would be the laziest waste of talent you could wish to inherit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: steamer on August 29, 2014, 09:55:32 PM


Townsend in some respects was Milner before Milner. He had almost everything you'd want in CM. Strong, aggressive, great left foot. A really good leader too.

Talks complete bollocks now mind you, but he was a super player and captain.

Whenever I hear Townsend, which is most weekend, At every opportunity he talks up or try's to be positive about the Villa.
I would not consider that as talking bollocks.



Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 29, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
Have we signed James Milner?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte Sweet on August 29, 2014, 10:01:55 PM
Wouldn't that be for the third time.He must be a glutton for punishment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
There's a lot of revisionism on here, plenty of people thought we were getting a better player back in that Milner deal, if Ireland had played anything like we hoped no one would mention milner.

I remember saying it...all that cash & the player I wanted that summer in....

The disgusting lack of interest / effort of the 'player' coupled with the heightened expectation is why I utterly despise everything about Ireland.

1 Milner is worth 100 of that footballing parasite....I know that now!!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 29, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
There's a lot of revisionism on here, plenty of people thought we were getting a better player back in that Milner deal, if Ireland had played anything like we hoped no one would mention milner.

I remember saying it...all that cash & the player I wanted that summer in....

The disgusting lack of interest / effort of the 'player' coupled with the heightened expectation is why I utterly despise everything about Ireland.

1 Milner is worth 100 of that footballing parasite....I know that now!!!!
I remember posting about what a shame it was that Milner was going the other way as they'd have been a great midfield partnership. What a load of old bollocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2014, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I don't really remember many people saying Ireland was a better player than Milner.


To my eternal shame, I did.  But then I was going off the Stephen Ireland of the 2008/09 season, who was absolutely superb, scored goals, made assists and put in loads of tackles. 

But anyway, Andy Townsend was much, much, much better than James Milner.  I'm not wrong about that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2014, 10:44:05 PM
Must admit at the time I thought it was a good deal but was going on the Stephen Ireland of previous seasons, as I say I like Milner but he wasn't 'all that'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 29, 2014, 10:48:03 PM
Was Milner better than Des Bremner?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 29, 2014, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on August 29, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I don't really remember many people saying Ireland was a better player than Milner.

A good player underpriced in his part of the deal, maybe, but better than Milner? i don't remember it that way.

No, it seemed more "Well if me really have to lose Milner to a bigger club at least we are getting a decent player in exchange". Okay so even that was utter bollocks but it seemed the general gist at the time.

Wash your mouth out. ;-)
Richer definitely, bigger no
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 29, 2014, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 29, 2014, 10:48:03 PM
Was Milner better than Des Bremner?

Milner is possibly a better passer but Bremner was far, far more important to the team he played in. Bremner was missed more than Milner when he wasn't there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 11:25:22 PM
Little bit envious of Albion getting that Blanco, although never seeing him play, he looks the type, from videos, that I would love us to have got in the final 3rd. Shame.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
Irvine will get him playing fullback, aiming for their 38 draws to stay up.

Seriously they must be the most boring team in the league now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 29, 2014, 11:42:24 PM
We are preeeeetty boring though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 29, 2014, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2014, 11:25:22 PM
Little bit envious of Albion getting that Blanco, although never seeing him play, he looks the type, from videos, that I would love us to have got in the final 3rd. Shame.

Ye me to. Was hoping we were in for him. Looks exactly what we need. £2m gutted ........
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2014, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 29, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 29, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on August 29, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
Better than milner central midfielders in order that I remember them...

Mortimer
Sid
Barry
Townsend
Richardson
Hendrie
Mcmahon
Platt
Delph
Oh dear.
The top three in your list were comfortably better than JM.

Townsend - hmmm, not sure: more drive but not the range of passing that JM has.

Townsend was better than Milner in pretty much every department, including passing.
well, let's agree to disagree.

No probs Mr E.  I'm sure we agree that they were both very good players for us. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2014, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 29, 2014, 10:48:03 PM
Was Milner better than Des Bremner?

When I talk to fans of other teams I get the impression that we are the only ones who have really seen him play in central midfield.  I've always thought that he is a pretty limited wide player, as he isn't the quickest, isn't particularly skilful and hasn't really got great delivery.  I can see why others who have only seen him there don't really rate him.  He was a revelation in central midfield though, probably because his attributes are more suited to that position.     
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 08:08:13 AM
This Taider deal at Southampton is a bit weird - swapped for Osvaldo with Inter on a season long loan, is now going on loan to another club from Southampton? Is that allowed? Or is he going back to Inter to go out somewhere else?
Not convinced by Koeman or Southampton at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2014, 08:14:04 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 08:08:13 AM
This Taider deal at Southampton is a bit weird - swapped for Osvaldo with Inter on a season long loan, is now going on loan to another club from Southampton? Is that allowed? Or is he going back to Inter to go out somewhere else?
Not convinced by Koeman or Southampton at all.
No, gone to a third club, back in Italy. Presumably either done an Unsworth or signed before Koeman arrived and unwanted.
The transfer merry-go-round is stranger than reality.

On another point, now that the TC rumour has become so publicised I'm presuming it's dead in the water and that Lambert has another prime target in his sights.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 30, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
Irvine will get him playing fullback, aiming for their 38 draws to stay up.

Seriously they must be the most boring team in the league now.


On season to date shots on target surely that honour goes to us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2014, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I don't really remember many people saying Ireland was a better player than Milner.

A good player underpriced in his part of the deal, maybe, but better than Milner? i don't remember it that way.

There were definitely  a fair number.  That said the next line was the more important bit, Milner is remembered so fondly because we've never properly replaced him. If Sanchez can settle in and be the player we hope I think Delph can have the same impact that Milner did that year but we really need to get him signed up long term.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2014, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!

That's a decent player they're getting and who they need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 30, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!

Bit of an off the wall signing, I'd have thought they'd have gone for his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Blind
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 30, 2014, 10:00:39 AM
We were linked with him for the whole of the 90s. We might get him now
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 30, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!
Doesn't mean they won't go for vlaar too to complete the set. LVG showing he's another cheque book manager.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
I actually don't get this one in the slightest, they've already signed Shaw for left back and Rojo for left sided defender so one of those 3 is probably going to end up as a sub.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2014, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
I actually don't get this one in the slightest, they've already signed Shaw for left back and Rojo for left sided defender so one of those 3 is probably going to end up as a sub.

I'll bet none of 'em turn out to be good enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 30, 2014, 11:18:11 AM
I've read somewhere there's a problem with Rojo's work permit because of a 3rd party ownership issue.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Ryu on August 30, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!

Bit of an off the wall signing, I'd have thought they'd have gone for his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Blind

Wasn't there a spell when we'd frequently get linked with Danny Blind?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 30, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Ryu on August 30, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!

Bit of an off the wall signing, I'd have thought they'd have gone for his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Blind

Wasn't there a spell when we'd frequently get linked with Danny Blind?

Yes but more in a Football Manager generation wishful thinking type of way as he's apparently helped  Doncaster win the Inter Galactic Super Cup 5 times in a row.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 30, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!
Doesn't mean they won't go for vlaar too to complete the set. LVG showing he's another cheque book manager.

I dont understand what LVG is attempting at Man Utd at all. Imposing ridiculous tactics that dont suit the players at all and buying randomly at crazy prices. I predict they will be a joke again this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on August 30, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
Perennial H+V favourite John Gudieti told to find a new club.*


*according to The Scum.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 30, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
I actually don't get this one in the slightest, they've already signed Shaw for left back and Rojo for left sided defender so one of those 3 is probably going to end up as a sub.

They'll use him as a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on August 30, 2014, 12:12:06 PM
According to local Press in Geordieland the Bluenosers are trying to sign Hatem Ben Arfa on loan :
" Now it is understood that Blues chief Lee Clark would be keen on taking Ben Arfa on loan and offering him game time and a change of scenery.
But it will be decision time soon for Ben Arfa and in the next couple of days as he faces the choices of either quitting the club for lower wages with Lyon, playing in the reserves or entertaining the possibility of a loan deal to the Championship" .
Ben Arfa is an entertaining and at times , brilliant player but the downside is his  suspect attitude and he clearley does not get on with Pardew .
If he is available on loan then I believe he could be a good punt for us , if Lambert & Keane can get him playing .............................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JPartington on August 30, 2014, 12:15:15 PM
Are Ben Arfa and Tarrabt the same player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on August 30, 2014, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on August 30, 2014, 12:12:06 PM
According to local Press in Geordieland the Bluenosers are trying to sign Hatem Ben Arfa on loan :
" Now it is understood that Blues chief Lee Clark would be keen on taking Ben Arfa on loan and offering him game time and a change of scenery.
But it will be decision time soon for Ben Arfa and in the next couple of days as he faces the choices of either quitting the club for lower wages with Lyon, playing in the reserves or entertaining the possibility of a loan deal to the Championship" .
Ben Arfa is an entertaining and at times , brilliant player but the downside is his  suspect attitude and he clearley does not get on with Pardew .
If he is available on loan then I believe he could be a good punt for us , if Lambert & Keane can get him playing .............................Godzvilla!

Bags of talent I agree.  Apparently he's at Bent/Given levels of podginess atm though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2014, 12:39:06 PM
Don't think we can afford to carry N'Zogbia and Ben Arfa in our squad. Even though I've managed it on Fifa (ha ha). Similar players really. Very individual. Capable of brilliance, and other days you'll get total indifference. I think you can have 1-2 of those kind of players in a squad like ours. We've also got Joe Cole who looks like he'd struggle to get in the medals at the over 90's 100m sprint.

Ben Arfa absolutely destroyed us last season. He was sensational that day, but he doesn't do it nearly enough. The hope could be that when N'Zogbia is having a shite spell, Arfa could come in and have a good one, and then vice versa, but alas, football is never that simple.

That Birmingham City genuinely think they might get him, says a lot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
I had a dream we loaned Ben Arfa, Bought Cleverley and that Perez fella and then snuck in Falcao for 25 million right on the deadline while announcing Lerner had sold 51% of the club, but was staying on as Chairman and wanted to push us on. Cleverley was then a revelation as he pulled the strings behind a fit again Benteke and Falcao terrorising all before them. If was a good dream. Then I was woken up by my son shoving a skylander near my face and exclaiming he has lost his gun arm. Grrr.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2014, 01:03:37 PM
I hope Lambert has other irons in the fire. Cleverley first choice, hopefully a second and a third are also being lined up, just in case!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
I hope he has a couple of other first choices in other positions too!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 30, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Lambert should go for holtby instead
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
I think he wants to go back to Germany
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2014, 01:34:10 PM
can't feel the love for him personally. Overrated imo. Like lots of others, I hope we have a plan B and C  if the TC bid fails to materialise, and we're not left with a Wes Hooligan type situation as we were  in January.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
That would be a disaster. I am hoping for 2 by close of play Monday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 30, 2014, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
I think he wants to go back to Germany

Lambert? Many hope he does!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2014, 02:35:56 PM
What has everyone seen in Lewis Holtby that I haven't?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on August 30, 2014, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 30, 2014, 02:35:56 PM
What has everyone seen in Lewis Holtby that I haven't?

I can't see what talent he has either Lee.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on August 30, 2014, 02:45:15 PM

also that Dembele, I saw him have one game with Fulham which was featured on MOTD and he had an absolute stormer made him look world class

Since then fuck all
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 30, 2014, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
I think he wants to go back to Germany

Yes and cleverley wants to go Everton ;) still worth a try
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 30, 2014, 03:07:39 PM
I'm not sure holtby is the answer but out the two id pick him , obviously not 8 million , younger and his stats are better but
Kagawa would have been the one for me . 8 million for him is a great price and he was class at Dortmund
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
Kagawa's being linked with clubs like Dortmund and Inter so unless those talks all break down and he doesn't want to be not be playing for another year, we don't really have a shot.

Holtby - I too don't see what all the fuss is about. The way people have talked about him on here and on other sites, you would think he was the second coming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on August 30, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Holtby has been shit for Spurs and Fulham. No thanks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2014, 03:56:13 PM
Callum McManaman might be worth a shout to give us some width. Second season in the Championship when he was starting to look like a good player when Wigan were fighting for their lives.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
Dave would probably demand 15m minimum al paid up front.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
I like the look of McGregor of Celtic, a real bullock of a lad, beef to the heels.   Thunderous shot with Tonev tendencies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 04:09:26 PM
I reckon you would get McMananman for about 6 from Wigan, but he looks no more than another Albrighton to me. Rather have the guile of Maloney for a million from Wigwam.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2014, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 30, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Ryu on August 30, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!

Bit of an off the wall signing, I'd have thought they'd have gone for his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Blind

Wasn't there a spell when we'd frequently get linked with Danny Blind?

Yes but more in a Football Manager generation wishful thinking type of way as he's apparently helped  Doncaster win the Inter Galactic Super Cup 5 times in a row.

You do realise I'm talking about his Dad, way back in the late 80s this was.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on August 30, 2014, 04:37:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2014, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 30, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Ryu on August 30, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Man U agreed a fee for Danny Blind, good news!

Bit of an off the wall signing, I'd have thought they'd have gone for his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Blind

Wasn't there a spell when we'd frequently get linked with Danny Blind?

Yes but more in a Football Manager generation wishful thinking type of way as he's apparently helped  Doncaster win the Inter Galactic Super Cup 5 times in a row.

You do realise I'm talking about his Dad, way back in the late 80s this was.

Ha ha, didn't register at all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 10:41:46 PM
Latest bulltwit rumour seems to be Ben Arfa.

I love watching him, but there has to be a reason someone that talented can't get in the Newcastle side.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2014, 10:42:37 PM
Yeah, cos he's a disobedient sod.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 10:45:25 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2014, 10:42:37 PM
Yeah, cos he's a disobedient sod.

So is my son, but I still have to put an arm round him and give him a bit of love to get him to behave. Surely Pardew can do that to a player that gifted.

If not Roy will I am sure.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: jcsutv on August 30, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
I would like to see Ben Arfa playing for Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2014, 10:53:16 PM
Anybody falling out with Pardew is fine by me, I'd love to see him at Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Left Side on August 30, 2014, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on August 30, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
I would like to see Ben Arfa playing for Villa.

Me too Johnno, at least we are being linked with stronger players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on August 30, 2014, 11:12:27 PM
If lambert & Keane have any brains we will make a move for James Morison early tomorrow .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 30, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
I'd like to see both Dyer and Gayle playing for us?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 30, 2014, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 30, 2014, 11:12:27 PM
If lambert & Keane have any brains we will make a move for James Morison early tomorrow .

I think you'll find they're a bit busy tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 30, 2014, 11:14:57 PM
Ben Arfur makes Joe Cole look like Twiggy. We don't need another Bunter waddling around the pitch.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 11:30:14 PM
In their reserve game last week he looked pretty in shape.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on August 30, 2014, 11:12:27 PM
If lambert & Keane have any brains we will make a move for James Morison early tomorrow .

Oh dear, is that the best you can do?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on August 30, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on August 30, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
I would like to see Ben Arfa playing for Villa.

You'd have no problem seeing him for sure...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2014, 12:38:45 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2014, 04:09:26 PM
I reckon you would get McMananman for about 6 from Wigan, but he looks no more than another Albrighton to me. Rather have the guile of Maloney for a million from Wigwam.

Don't know about that.  He showed some real promise in games when they were in the Premier League and was superb in the cup final win against Man City.  Didn't really see enough of Wigan to tell whether those were just isolated good performances.  I'm surprised noone has been in for him though.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2014, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: richard moore on August 30, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: jcsutv on August 30, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
I would like to see Ben Arfa playing for Villa.

You'd have no problem seeing him for sure...

From space, let alone the Holte End.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 12:57:12 AM
Looking at him in their reserve game last week, if you can see him from space you would see me from another galaxy! Judgemental, and I assume, skinny super fit gits!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 31, 2014, 01:41:40 AM
From Fanatix

Villans keen on young American winger.

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is set to launch a move to bring young Bayern Munich starlet Julian Green to the club on a season long loan.

Fanatix understands that the Villa manager is keen to utilise his contacts in the Bundesliga to add a creative spark at the Midlands club after scoring just once in their three games this season.

Villa are said to be close to agreeing a deal to sign Tom Cleverley but the club are also keen to bring in another winger before monday’s transfer deadline.

Green has yet to make an appearance for Bayern’s first team, but his form for their second side were enough to earn him a call up to the USA national side for this summer’s World Cup.


He created a buzz around himself whilst in Brazil when he scored against Belgium in the second round with a goal reminiscent of former Villa star David Platt, who did the same thing at Italia 90.

Bayern are believed to be keen on allowing him out on loan for the season before putting him in contention for a starting spot next term, and Villa would be able to offer him regular first team football at a competitive level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 02:11:16 AM
Talk is he is going to Hamburg. But could be a decent move if not.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Left Side on August 31, 2014, 03:48:59 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 02:11:16 AM
Talk is he is going to Hamburg. But could be a decent move if not.

Sounds like his Dad has confirmed the Hamburg move, oh well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on August 31, 2014, 07:23:08 AM
His name made him catch my eye and I think he has had accelerated promotion in Munich to strengthen their American marketing potential. Like Manure, when they could afford the luxury, cosseted Asian players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
Why isn't the transfer window closing today, I always thought it shut at the end of August?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2014, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
Why isn't the transfer window closing today, I always thought it shut at the end of August?
I thought it did too?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2014, 07:53:39 AM
the Kagawa talk is nonsense. Not a chance we'd get him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on August 31, 2014, 07:57:40 AM
Dortmund dont pay big wages, depends on what he wants, if its money then a lot of English teams will be more attractive than German ones.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 31, 2014, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: Ian J on August 31, 2014, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
Why isn't the transfer window closing today, I always thought it shut at the end of August?
I thought it did too?

Because Jim White is busy today they've put it back til tomorrow night instead
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2014, 07:58:30 AM
He can go to bigger and more ambitious clubs than us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Karlos96 on August 31, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Ian J on August 31, 2014, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
Why isn't the transfer window closing today, I always thought it shut at the end of August?
I thought it did too?

I'm assuming it's to do with it being a Sunday so it has to be the next working day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2014, 08:00:50 AM
Leroy Fer from Norwich (now at QPR) would have been the better way to spend £8mil, that's if Norwich would deal with us, which, I believe they won't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 08:24:59 AM
Fer would have been my choice too.

QPR have a pretty decent midfield 3 with Barton, Fer and Diarra
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
Quote from: Karlos96 on August 31, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Ian J on August 31, 2014, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
Why isn't the transfer window closing today, I always thought it shut at the end of August?
I thought it did too?

I'm assuming it's to do with it being a Sunday so it has to be the next working day.


Sunday is a working day in football though. It's tortuous enough as it is without extending it, or are they just formalising what Harry Redknapp already did?!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2014, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
Quote from: Karlos96 on August 31, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Ian J on August 31, 2014, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
Why isn't the transfer window closing today, I always thought it shut at the end of August?
I thought it did too?

I'm assuming it's to do with it being a Sunday so it has to be the next working day.


Sunday is a working day in football though. It's tortuous enough as it is without extending it, or are they just formalising what Harry Redknapp already did?!
But it isn't necessarily a working day for lawyers and administrators.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 31, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
We need a signing by tomorrow night that excites the fans and gives us something different when we play the next 5 games.I wonder where the goals will come from today never mind the likes of Chelsea etc.Go on Lambert,surprise us!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
Don't they try and avoid it being on a match day too?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2014, 10:33:42 AM
Joel Campbell on loan would be a good shout.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 10:42:08 AM
Unlikely with Giroud out till Christmas
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2014, 10:42:23 AM
Lambert said two players? Lots of links to Cleverley but no solid links to anyone else that I can see. We really do need the two players too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 10:52:53 AM
At the moment we have Clerverley, Julian Green, Ben Arfa, James mcArthur aND Vitolo linked on twitter. If we sign any of them I will be amazed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2014, 10:57:10 AM
Ozzjim, I hadn't realised that. Don't follow twitter! Green off the hamburg. Big risk with Ben Arfa but he would give us some creativity. Vitolo? Who he?

In Creteat the moment and will miss this all unfurl!!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 31, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 10:52:53 AM
At the moment we have Clerverley, Julian Green, Ben Arfa, James mcArthur aND Vitolo linked on twitter. If we sign any of them I will be amazed.
Ben Arfa (if you can mould him into the team) and McArthur are the two I would at out of that bunch. 

One thing I will give the club credit for is how they have just gone about their transfer business queitly this summer and been quite quick getting the players in.  If you consider that then it is hard to predict if there will be anymore signings before the deadline.  If we got a good winger in, then that might do us for now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 31, 2014, 11:02:44 AM
One decent attack minded player is what we need and would give us all a bit of a much needed moral boost.
UTV!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
I would take a decent winger. Striker would be nice. Clerverley would be the cherry. I have a feeling that if he did come, he would prove to be an excellent signing. But think he will go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 31, 2014, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
I would take a decent winger. Striker would be nice. Clerverley would be the cherry. I have a feeling that if he did come, he would prove to be an excellent signing. But think he will go elsewhere.

Don't think we need a striker working at our level I would be happy to put our attackers against most in the bottom half (except maybe Gabby), and still have the big hitter(s) to come back.  We just need more creativity and better service.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2014, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
I would take a decent winger. Striker would be nice. Clerverley would be the cherry. I have a feeling that if he did come, he would prove to be an excellent signing. But think he will go elsewhere.
I agree with you, I really want him to sign. He'll be our main man, even more than Benteke in a way. This is first rumour in years probably since we bid for Ash that I really think will make a massive difference.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on August 31, 2014, 04:46:49 PM
Liverpool's Lucas is now being linked with us on twitter
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2014, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
I would take a decent winger. Striker would be nice. Clerverley would be the cherry. I have a feeling that if he did come, he would prove to be an excellent signing. But think he will go elsewhere.

Watching the game today, I think that would be an important signing for us.  N'Zogbia really didn't offer too much and we could do with having an outlet who can provide a threat.  I thought the game changed a bit when they brought Brady on today as he gave them a wide option.  Someone like Andros Townsend would be ideal, even if only on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 31, 2014, 05:06:49 PM
Just one quality attacking midfielder in the Merson mould is all we need goose on of Nzog,Gabby and Weimann to be replaced,although watching them today they are all OK starters but should know their places aren't guaranteed,competition and quality and we would look S good as we've been for a few years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DrGonzo on August 31, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: go on the dog on August 31, 2014, 04:46:49 PM
Liverpool's Lucas is now being linked with us on twitter

Shame, if it's on twatter almost certainly BS, he'd be an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 31, 2014, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on August 31, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: go on the dog on August 31, 2014, 04:46:49 PM
Liverpool's Lucas is now being linked with us on twitter

Shame, if it's on twatter almost certainly BS, he'd be an excellent signing.

Very good player, but one that keeps it simple - moves it on, lets others get forward and fills in spaces to deny the opposition with they have the ball. Just what Sanchez is here to do, so I would say the probability of signing Lucas is a non-starter. That said, other than the outstanding finish by Sturridge, he was the reason Liverpool beat us at VP last year - just filled in and kept them ticking over.

A wide attacking forward/winger is what we need, as is a player of quality with energy (Cleverley has been identified by Lambert) or a player with guile to create chances (N'Zog and Cole are presently failing to deliver this at the moment).

I suspect that Lambert might decide to find a quality player with energy over one with guile as the latter is much more rare and hence beyond our budget unless you take a punt (aka Joe Cole).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 05:32:59 PM
Lucas is another holding midfielder, we have enough of them now surely.

8m to play with or a decent loan, I'd rather see another attacking midfielder of some sort come in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on August 31, 2014, 05:36:38 PM
Lambo implied in his post match interview that Cleverly is a target and he has his 'eyes on a few others.' Deadline day could prove interesting for Sky's reporter at the gates of BH.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 31, 2014, 05:44:12 PM
Not seen it posted previously but confirmation of what we knew/suspected* (*delete based on how psychic you think you are).

Kagawa returns to Dortmund: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29006030
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
Lucas has just called guy who tweeted that rumour out. The back-pedalling is rather amusing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2014, 06:33:26 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 05:32:59 PM
Lucas is another holding midfielder, we have enough of them now surely.

8m to play with or a decent loan, I'd rather see another attacking midfielder of some sort come in.

Agree.  We need a midfielder who can go past players and really drive at teams.  Someone like that and a wide player tomorrow should set us up OK really.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 31, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 31, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
Lucas has just called guy who tweeted that rumour out. The back-pedalling is rather amusing.

That indykaila guy actually works at KFC and knows fuck all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2014, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 05:32:59 PM
Lucas is another holding midfielder, we have enough of them now surely.

8m to play with or a decent loan, I'd rather see another attacking midfielder of some sort come in.

Lucas is done at this level. Hasnt been the same player since his knee injury a couple of years ago which is a shame. Needs to move to a slower paced league. An EPL club that buys him will have an expensive liability on their hands. One to avoid like the plague

Assaidi wont be getting much of a look in at Anfield this season, would be a better option for us.

Apart from Cleverley, a host of careers at Old Trafford need saving. Ashley Young surely would be available on loan or Valencia.

Salah at Chelsea needs gametime that we can give.

Sandro and Dembele at Spurs both seem to be going nowhere at Spurs, again surely both available on loan.

less than 2 days left though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 07:02:16 PM
Assiadi did well at Stoke last season, scored a great last minute goal v Chelsea.

I would be happy with him coming in on loan as would I Salah who was excellent at Basle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 09:49:04 PM
**cough**

The ever reliable "midlandagent" is claiming we have big for Milner. Just thought I would re-open that conversation that we don't ever have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on August 31, 2014, 09:50:31 PM
There's more chance of me making the beast with two backs with Andrea Corr than Milner coming here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 09:56:39 PM
Quote from: Des Little on August 31, 2014, 09:50:31 PM
There's more chance of me making the beast with two backs with Andrea Corr than Milner coming here.

I just find it hilarious some of the trollope people make up on there under stupid usernames.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 31, 2014, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 31, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 31, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
Lucas has just called guy who tweeted that rumour out. The back-pedalling is rather amusing.

That indykaila guy actually works at KFC and knows fuck all.

Not true. He knows how to make finger lickin good chicken.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 10:03:49 PM
Come on then. 25 hours to go, name your 2 you think we will get, and the 2 that you want us to get?

I am going with McArthur and Sinclair in but would like to see us get Cleverley and Salah on loan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
I reckon Cleverley permanent and someone on loan. The fact that the two strikers scored today and the break and Benteke being close to being back means there won't be a forward coming in. An attacking midfielder would be perfect though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2014, 10:08:19 PM
I really hope you're wrong on the two you think we'll get Ozz. McArthur is a rubbish defensive midfielder, which we definitely don't need and Sinclair is pretty average. Your two hopefuls, I'd definitely want at the club.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2014, 10:23:16 PM
Milner and as yet unknown ace foreign winger, new owners, promise of major signings to come in January and me getting a jump.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2014, 10:23:55 PM
What are the media outlets in Honduras saying about the Wilson deal?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 31, 2014, 11:24:49 PM
I've heard Wilson again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:28:44 PM
Going from Holtby and Cleverley to Palacios is a bit of a come down!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2014, 11:30:25 PM
If it was Palacios there would be little hold up you'd think as he can't even get in the Stoke side. Plus we just brought in Sanchez. I can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:41:48 PM
I would take Palacios as an extra tomorrow, looking at the midfield area though 1 more should be enough really. Sanchez looks like he needs a few games to get up to speed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2014, 11:42:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 10:03:49 PM
Come on then. 25 hours to go, name your 2 you think we will get, and the 2 that you want us to get?

I am going with McArthur and Sinclair in but would like to see us get Cleverley and Salah on loan.

Would be as good as we could hope for really.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Doorbell on September 01, 2014, 12:02:09 AM
As long as we don't get in Yaya Sonogo to bolster our attack we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
Ben Arfa & a mystery winger would do it for me.  Is Tony Morley free?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 12:10:03 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 11:41:48 PM
I would take Palacios as an extra tomorrow, looking at the midfield area though 1 more should be enough really. Sanchez looks like he needs a few games to get up to speed.

The bloke's been at Stoke three years, barely played, dosen't look fit, on big wages and Stoke have been trying to get rid of him for two years.

It's the sort of player/situation we've had from the MON days so I'd rather not start signing those types again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 12:28:39 AM
You are right Soccer. I guess due to him not playing, I still remember the useful version.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 12:40:10 AM
Yeah he was really good at Wigan and started off o.k at Spurs. Then his brother was kidnapped and killed before one game and understandbly he's never been the same since.

I just don't see the point of signing a player for the sake of it, we have enough numbers in midfield so any new signing now needs to be able to make a difference in the starting 11.

At least with Cleverley that is debatable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on September 01, 2014, 12:54:31 AM
James McArthur linked in The Mail. Is he just a defensive midfield player?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
I think how high, and quickly we pressed for 60 minutes shows why an extra mobile, capable midfielder would be useful to rotate that won't take long to get to the pace of the game.

I think Sinclair for the right money would be a good signing for us still if he is available, we lack pace beyond Gabby and need a different wide option.

Salah just looks a good player, if he moves tomorrow the club getting him have a really interesting player for a season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 01:07:00 AM
Cleverley & Sinclair or Gnabry.

Don't see us signing another striker with half a dozen already on the books.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 01:10:33 AM
And that said I actually think we need another centre half.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 01:12:40 AM
Clark and Okore were both not in the squad today. Senderos looks really good, and clearly is a leader and a talker from what is being said. I think we are ok there for once.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2014, 01:35:45 AM
The only Palacios talk is being started by his agent Kippax.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on September 01, 2014, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 01:10:33 AM
And that said I actually think we need another centre half.

Agree - we have Vlaar, Okore and Senderos but there is a strong likelihood 2 of the 3 may not be available for a fair number of games.

I don't want Clark or Baker near the team again. The phrase Soft Undrbelly could have been invented for those pair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 08:21:04 AM
I really don't want us to sign McArthur, he's rubbish and not what we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
A friend just mentioned that he'd heard André Ayew linked this morning - can't believe he's only 24, seems to have been around an age (unless I'm thinking about somebody else)
Probably a load of bollocks anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
A friend just mentioned that he'd heard André Ayew linked this morning - can't believe he's only 24, seems to have been around an age (unless I'm thinking about somebody else)
Probably a load of bollocks anyway.

maybe I'm thinking of steve agnew!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 08:44:13 AM
wouldn't be surprised if we try and get another central defender on loan as it's looking like Okore is going to be out through injury more than he's in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
Hoping for Cleverley and Salah.  (Milner in fantasy world).

Think we'll get Cleverley.

Really dont want Palacios, McCarthur or Sinclair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 08:57:22 AM
Now is the time to strengthen ahead of our games with fellow title contenders.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 12:40:10 AM
Yeah he was really good at Wigan and started off o.k at Spurs. Then his brother was kidnapped and killed before one game and understandbly he's never been the same since.

I just don't see the point of signing a player for the sake of it, we have enough numbers in midfield so any new signing now needs to be able to make a difference in the starting 11.

At least with Cleverley that is debatable.

To be fair he was very good against us at VP last season (or maybe we were so inept that he just appeared so). I think he'd be useful cover for injuries and suspensions, for a low fee and reasonable wages. I wouldn't worry too much that he's not in Mark Hughes' plans either, he's a very erratic judge of a footballer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 01, 2014, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 08:57:22 AM
Now is the time to strengthen ahead of our games with fellow title contenders.

Quality

and absolutely right
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on September 01, 2014, 09:19:45 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.


Praying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:23:35 AM
It is 9.30 and I am already more worried about Vlaar going than whoever might come in. Especially with him being linked with Arsenal now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.

Attempting to work, with H&V on at the bottom of left of monitor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:23:35 AM
It is 9.30 and I am already more worried about Vlaar going than whoever might come in. Especially with him being linked with Arsenal now.

One thing you'll find about today is that there'll be all sorts of crazy rumours going round and the majority of them will be bollocks. I can't see him going anywhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:23:35 AM
It is 9.30 and I am already more worried about Vlaar going than whoever might come in. Especially with him being linked with Arsenal now.

One thing you'll find about today is that there'll be all sorts of crazy rumours going round and the majority of them will be bollocks. I can't see him going anywhere.

I don't think he'd have played yesterday if he were off today.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2014, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.

#Gangsta
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.

Attempting to work, with H&V on at the bottom of left of monitor.

I booked the day off. Can't be doing work and phone checking all day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 09:49:09 AM
Some random link to Tony Hibbert floating about, I've always thought he was useless.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:53:47 AM
Why the feck would we want Hibbert. Please god no. What a bag of spanners.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mattjpa on September 01, 2014, 09:55:57 AM
Sources saying Cleverley to Villa move is a no go due to his wage demands. I will reserve flying into an expletive filled tirade untill this is further confirmed....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 09:57:01 AM
Seems like Darren Bent has been visiting the people behind Dolly the Sheep.

Mind you, would explain the few extra pounds!

Quote from: bbc transfer day
Decky in Newcastle: Just saw Darren Bent outside St James' Park. A surprise return to the North East?
Kevin in London: Have just seen Darren Bent pulling into the Charlton FC training ground, that would be a good signing for the Addicks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
Yesterday I was thinking what looked like another calf injury had ensured Vlaar would be here beyond the window....Wenger has history though after Kallstrom joined crocked.

Wasn't his biggest fan the first year or so but have enjoyed early stages of p'ship with Senderos so think it's essential we keep him now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:57:51 AM
Bollocks to him if he wants more than Benteke is on, the club are right not to pay it.

WM tweeting that a rumoured fee of 12m for Vlaar to Arsenal. If that happens Wenger is a complete shit head. He has had all window. Big clubs wait till the last minute to fuck the opposition up half the time I am convinced of it. It is a tactic.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.

I'm doing what I do every Monday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 09:59:55 AM
If we sell Vlaar for that it would be our own fault. If well sell Vlaar and don't replace him it would be suicide.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Doorbell on September 01, 2014, 10:03:46 AM
This is great news  ;D

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/transfer-window-day-made-a-bank-holiday-2014090190060 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/transfer-window-day-made-a-bank-holiday-2014090190060)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:57:51 AM
Bollocks to him if he wants more than Benteke is on, the club are right not to pay it.

WM tweeting that a rumoured fee of 12m for Vlaar to Arsenal. If that happens Wenger is a complete shit head. He has had all window. Big clubs wait till the last minute to fuck the opposition up half the time I am convinced of it. It is a tactic.

Vlaar's agent has supposedly reported that there isn't any truth in these rumours according to the gospel on twitter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
WM as supportive as ever then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on September 01, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
WM as supportive as ever then.

They're probably still doing contortions trying to work out how they can run their usual "Villa in Crisis, Albion are Great" line based on the first few weeks of the season. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.

Attempting to work, with H&V on at the bottom of left of monitor.

I booked the day off. Can't be doing work and phone checking all day.

Me too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on September 01, 2014, 10:25:32 AM
KEA to feyenoord on a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: peter w on September 01, 2014, 10:25:32 AM
KEA to feyenoord on a 3 year deal.

Which must mean that we have at least 1 midfielder incoming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 10:29:02 AM
I doubt it. We've already signed Sanchez and Cole and Grealish is now part of the first team squad. I imagine they'd planned on selling El-Ahmadi a while ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
SSN are asking people to tweet what they are doing on deadline day.
I might have a coffee and a bit of cake.

Attempting to work, with H&V on at the bottom of left of monitor.

I booked the day off. Can't be doing work and phone checking all day.

Me too.

Have been working from home for 3 weeks now thanks to my calf tear, & today could well be the least productive day to date.

I can see us biting someone's hand off if they bid over £10m for Vlaar, which'd piss me off big style.  If we did, we should rush & get Danny Batth for £5-6m, who's a million times better than Baker or the horribly out of favour Clark.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Got SSN on in the background and every reporter is wearing a yellow tie. Hmm.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2014, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 10:29:02 AM
I doubt it. We've already signed Sanchez and Cole and Grealish is now part of the first team squad. I imagine they'd planned on selling El-Ahmadi a while ago.

Grealish is not going to be able to play in the midfield three we currently go with.  At the moment we only have Sanchez, Westwood, Richardson and Delph to fill those spots. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
Yep we don't have many central midfielders at all. I presume we'd only let KEA go if there is a player coming in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 10:29:02 AM
I doubt it. We've already signed Sanchez and Cole and Grealish is now part of the first team squad. I imagine they'd planned on selling El-Ahmadi a while ago.

Neither Cole or Grealish are central midfielders and we've also let Gary Gardner go out on loan. I don't think Centre-Mid is necessarily Richardson's best position either. I'd be very suprised if we've let KEA go without being confident of another midfielder coming in?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 09:59:55 AM
If we sell Vlaar for that it would be our own fault. If well sell Vlaar and don't replace him it would be suicide.

Won't happen unless there is an incoming player of similar stature. Lambert may have made mistakes but it would be suicidal if you look at the lack of strength in that position.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 10:42:16 AM
It's all a bit too quiet for me at the moment
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
I think everybody's waiting for 'arry to do his traditional interview through his car window before the serious business can begin.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

It's ok, he'll become the 21st century Peter Davenport there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
What time does the "window slam shut"?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
What time does the "window slam shut"?

Midnight, I believe.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dotcomsimon on September 01, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
What time does the "window slam shut"?

Slams shut at 11pm
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 11:06:34 AM
On Friday for Arsenal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: dotcomsimon on September 01, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
What time does the "window slam shut"?

Slams shut at 11pm

Unless you are Arsenal
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 11:07:29 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
What time does the "window slam shut"?

Midnight, I believe.

They need one of these

(http://www.express-keys.co.uk/images/overhead-door-controls2-b.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 11:08:40 AM
What's harj saying?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

An admission that that they're not expecting much from RVP this season, so they sign another injury-prone striker.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: joe_c on September 01, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

Wow. Didn't see that coming. It's quite a gamble.

(http://archive.mehstg.com/player_photos/falco.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
What time does the "window slam shut"?

Midnight, I believe.
11.00BST 12.00CET
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have football clubs and those in charge of the game ever considered upgrading from fax machine to this new fangled internet and email thing?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
Let's draw a line in sand...no that's no good sand moves. Lets draw a line ermmmm somewhere  where there is no movement and it's permanent. Cleverley can do one if he thinks he is coming here on a higher wage than Ron and Christian.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

An admission that that they're not expecting much from RVP this season, so they sign another injury-prone striker.



I thought Monaco were in the chumps league

Money talks again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have football clubs and those in charge of the game ever considered upgrading from fax machine to this new fangled internet and email thing?
The FA  sent out an email to all it's council members in 2012 to seek advice. They are awaiting replies and will act to change if an agreement can be reached.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have football clubs and those in charge of the game ever considered upgrading from fax machine to this new fangled internet and email thing?
Not sure, but I heard someone on the wireless say that a fax with all the right bits on it is considered a legal document but email isn't.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ROBBO on September 01, 2014, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
Let's draw a line in sand...no that's no good sand moves. Lets draw a line ermmmm somewhere  where there is no movement and it's permanent. Cleverley can do one if he thinks he is coming here on a higher wage than Ron and Christian.

This was always going to be the problem he thinks he is worth more than we are prepared to pay, and it will be ever thus until a new owner comes in, even then i would not want them to pay 3 mil a year to someone of his standard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 11:24:06 AM
Falcao is basically wasted and heading for proverbial footballing "pet food factory" so a good transfer for rest of us all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
Man Utd's new lineup

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/media/images/77299000/jpg/_77299648_mufc.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

It's ok, he'll become the 21st century Peter Davenport there.

Sir Graham wanted to sign him for us if memory serves me right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have football clubs and those in charge of the game ever considered upgrading from fax machine to this new fangled internet and email thing?
Not sure, but I heard someone on the wireless say that a fax with all the right bits on it is considered a legal document but email isn't.

Yep, our bank will accept faxed instructions to open/close accounts but not emails.

Similarly, HMRC will accept email queries but reply by fax.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 11:28:21 AM
Palacios and Spearing would be so incredibly underwhelming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
*ALERT*

Threat Level from ITK has been raised to Bollocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have football clubs and those in charge of the game ever considered upgrading from fax machine to this new fangled internet and email thing?
Not sure, but I heard someone on the wireless say that a fax with all the right bits on it is considered a legal document but email isn't.

Yep, our bank will accept faxed instructions to open/close accounts but not emails.

Similarly, HMRC will accept email queries but reply by fax.

Companies/banks etc have been nausing me for years to do everything online, now it's time to renew my mortgage I haven't got any of the paper documents they want. Pricks.

Rant over, carry on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 01, 2014, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
*ALERT*

Threat Level from ITK has been raised to Bollocks.

KIN ELL must be true then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 11:45:34 AM
Sounds like McArthur is going to Palace for £7 million!! He's rubbish and that fee is insane.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 11:45:55 AM
RE: Spearing & Palacios. It would surely be one or the other, not both, even if we don't get Cleverley??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 11:46:50 AM
We need players who will improve the team and neither Palacios or Spearing would do that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 11:48:31 AM
Spearing is fucking shit. Total arse.


File with Cattermole. L.

Either would be a disaster.

No worse.


Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rjp on September 01, 2014, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:57:51 AM
Bollocks to him if he wants more than Benteke is on, the club are right not to pay it.

WM tweeting that a rumoured fee of 12m for Vlaar to Arsenal. If that happens Wenger is a complete shit head. He has had all window. Big clubs wait till the last minute to fuck the opposition up half the time I am convinced of it. It is a tactic.

Vlaar's agent has supposedly reported that there isn't any truth in these rumours according to the gospel on twitter.

The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/01/ron-vlaar-aston-villa-arsenal-transfer) is reporting the same.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OzVilla on September 01, 2014, 12:00:40 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on September 01, 2014, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
Let's draw a line in sand...no that's no good sand moves. Lets draw a line ermmmm somewhere  where there is no movement and it's permanent. Cleverley can do one if he thinks he is coming here on a higher wage than Ron and Christian.

This was always going to be the problem he thinks he is worth more than we are prepared to pay, and it will be ever thus until a new owner comes in, even then i would not want them to pay 3 mil a year to someone of his standard.

This. Tell Cleverley to get fecked. If we're going to potentially destabilize our best players at least let's do it for someone with real quality.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
SSN's live web ticker thingy says Arse have made a 'polite' enquiry about Vlaar.

Julian Green gone to Hamburg on loan, so we can forget about him.

Lewis Holtby also taking to Hamburg about a loan move, so we can being to forget about him too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 12:06:22 PM
These names being banded about are scaring me to death.  Please stop it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
Hopefully we'll politely tell Arsenal to go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
SSN's live web ticker thingy says Arse have made a 'polite' enquiry about Vlaar.

Julian Green gone to Hamburg on loan, so we can forget about him.

Lewis Holtby also taking to Hamburg about a loan move, so we can being to forget about him too.

Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

Another player they don't need, they really are trying to ruin themselves! Happy days!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
SSN's live web ticker thingy says Arse have made a 'polite' enquiry about Vlaar.

Julian Green gone to Hamburg on loan, so we can forget about him.

Lewis Holtby also taking to Hamburg about a loan move, so we can being to forget about him too.

Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.

Vicar standing at the altar to his verger:

'Is that Fanny Green in the front pew?'

'No. I think its the light through the stained glass windows.'
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 01, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
SSN's live web ticker thingy says Arse have made a 'polite' enquiry about Vlaar.

Julian Green gone to Hamburg on loan, so we can forget about him.

Lewis Holtby also taking to Hamburg about a loan move, so we can being to forget about him too.

Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.

Young kid at Bayern. Played for various German national youth teams before switching allegiance to the USA before the World Cup. Scored vs Germany iirc. Very highly rated.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
*ALERT*

Threat Level from ITK has been raised to Bollocks.

Threat of a Twitter post of utter shite is imminent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have football clubs and those in charge of the game ever considered upgrading from fax machine to this new fangled internet and email thing?
Not sure, but I heard someone on the wireless say that a fax with all the right bits on it is considered a legal document but email isn't.

Yep, our bank will accept faxed instructions to open/close accounts but not emails.

Similarly, HMRC will accept email queries but reply by fax.

Companies/banks etc have been nausing me for years to do everything online, now it's time to renew my mortgage I haven't got any of the paper documents they want. Pricks.

Rant over, carry on.

I had to send a fax a couple of months ago and couldn't find anywhere except the mailbox place on Colmore Row, who said they still do them for the law firms in the area.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: berneboy on September 01, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Most of us don't really know much about names being bandied about. I don't.
I have looked up Jay Spearing and as well as being captain of Bolton and we need leaders, he is clearly a highly committed 'bulldog' fighter in midfield who often did well for Liverpool.

So, he is obviously not the creativity we crave but I'm sure he shouldn't be dismissed when we appear to short on pennies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
Man Utd's new lineup

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/media/images/77299000/jpg/_77299648_mufc.jpg)

Excellent
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:22:59 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 01, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
SSN's live web ticker thingy says Arse have made a 'polite' enquiry about Vlaar.

Julian Green gone to Hamburg on loan, so we can forget about him.

Lewis Holtby also taking to Hamburg about a loan move, so we can being to forget about him too.

Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.

Young kid at Bayern. Played for various German national youth teams before switching allegiance to the USA before the World Cup. Scored vs Germany iirc. Very highly rated.

Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 31, 2014, 01:41:40 AM
From Fanatix

Villans keen on young American winger.

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is set to launch a move to bring young Bayern Munich starlet Julian Green to the club on a season long loan.

Fanatix understands that the Villa manager is keen to utilise his contacts in the Bundesliga to add a creative spark at the Midlands club after scoring just once in their three games this season.

Villa are said to be close to agreeing a deal to sign Tom Cleverley but the club are also keen to bring in another winger before monday’s transfer deadline.

Green has yet to make an appearance for Bayern’s first team, but his form for their second side were enough to earn him a call up to the USA national side for this summer’s World Cup.


He created a buzz around himself whilst in Brazil when he scored against Belgium in the second round with a goal reminiscent of former Villa star David Platt, who did the same thing at Italia 90.

Bayern are believed to be keen on allowing him out on loan for the season before putting him in contention for a starting spot next term, and Villa would be able to offer him regular first team football at a competitive level.

David Bowie writes lyrics by picking random words from a pile.  That's probably how 90% of these ITK links come about.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

Another player they don't need, they really are trying to ruin themselves! Happy days!


O'Neill didn't want him neither :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on September 01, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
SSN's live web ticker thingy says Arse have made a 'polite' enquiry about Vlaar.

Julian Green gone to Hamburg on loan, so we can forget about him.

Lewis Holtby also taking to Hamburg about a loan move, so we can being to forget about him too.

Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.

He fluked a goal against Germany, I think, for the US, that come off his toe end and loopewd into the goal. Quite lucky and nearly made a hash of a very presentable chance. he is the next Zico now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
*ALERT*

Threat Level from ITK has been raised to Bollocks.

Threat of a Twitter post of utter shite is imminent.

Twitter generally migrates to Twatter this time of the deadline day before turning to full on Shitter around 9pm.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:28:53 PM
Amy Lewis has a nice rack..mmmmm
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Falco to manure. Fuck hate them

Another player they don't need, they really are trying to ruin themselves! Happy days!

Van Persie is out for 4 months so they do to be fair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:35:35 PM
He's only going so he can play at villa park , his sacred ground ,his dream ....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
Hopefully we'll politely tell Arsenal to go fuck themselves.
Yes in a Glasgow sort of politeness.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 12:43:47 PM
let's hope Lambert blew them a Glasgow kiss in reply
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: danno on September 01, 2014, 12:45:02 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
Hopefully we'll politely tell Arsenal to go fuck themselves.
Yes in a Glasgow sort of politeness.

I'd advocate sending Roy Keane in a diplomatic capacity, to give them the news in person.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
Anyone on #defoe watch today ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:28:53 PM
Amy Lewis has a nice rack..mmmmm
But can she play LB ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
European deadlines: Germany (17:00), Italy (22:00), France (23:00), Spain (23:00)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: berneboy on September 01, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Most of us don't really know much about names being bandied about. I don't.
I have looked up Jay Spearing and as well as being captain of Bolton and we need leaders, he is clearly a highly committed 'bulldog' fighter in midfield who often did well for Liverpool.

So, he is obviously not the creativity we crave but I'm sure he shouldn't be dismissed when we appear to short on pennies.

I know two three things about Jay Spearing.

1. He's pretty mediocre.
2. He looks like a Victorian chimney sweep, who at some time in his life, has also featured in a travelling circus freak show.
3. If we signed him, Villa Kicks would be back, toute de suite.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
European deadlines: Germany (17:00), Italy (22:00), France (23:00), Spain (23:00)


What about Arsenal ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
European deadlines: Germany (17:00), Italy (22:00), France (23:00), Spain (23:00)


Arsenal Sept 2. 12 pm
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
European deadlines: Germany (17:00), Italy (22:00), France (23:00), Spain (23:00)


North London 11.00 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Jim white is in the building.  Ffs
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: berneboy on September 01, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Most of us don't really know much about names being bandied about. I don't.
I have looked up Jay Spearing and as well as being captain of Bolton and we need leaders, he is clearly a highly committed 'bulldog' fighter in midfield who often did well for Liverpool.

So, he is obviously not the creativity we crave but I'm sure he shouldn't be dismissed when we appear to short on pennies.

I know two three things about Jay Spearing.

1. He's pretty mediocre.
2. He looks like a Victorian chimney sweep, who at some time in his life, has also featured in a travelling circus freak show.
3. If we signed him, Villa Kicks would be back, toute de suite.


I miss villa kicks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Jim white is in the building.  Ffs

I'm surprised they didn't put that on the Breaking News strap.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Jim white is in the building.  Ffs

Let's hope it falls down. BBC live update obsessed with Yanited. Arsenal fans behaving like spoilt brats as usual. Piers Morgan is as typical an Arsenal fan as David Mellor is a Chavski fan. They encapsulate the clubs they follow perfectly
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 12:48:03 PM
European deadlines: Germany (17:00), Italy (22:00), France (23:00), Spain (23:00)


What about Arsenal ?
Ahaa yes forgot. Following some reasearch I found this

European deadlines: Germany (17:00), Italy (22:00), France (23:00), Spain (23:00)  Arsenal FC: As late as  Wenger choses.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
All a bit of a let down so far.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 01:02:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
All a bit of a let down so far.

Think it will really pick up come 5pm.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: MoetVillan on September 01, 2014, 01:03:08 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
Anyone on #defoe watch today ?

Arry will put in a bid by close of play
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
All a bit of a let down so far.

Happy enough so far. So long as neither Vlaar or Delph leave and we don't do anything mystifyingly stupid like loaning Grealish out, I'll be content.

If we sign one or two, all the better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2014, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
All a bit of a let down so far.

As long as we get our business done, I hope the rest of it is.  It's great to see the mix of anger and panic on the faces of the Sky Sports News presenters when there is little going on. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:09:39 PM
Make my day is falcoa failed his medical
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 01:17:30 PM
It looks like the entrance of spuds training ground has had a multi million pound makeover, probably just for the bi annual wankfest over them on SSN.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 01:19:48 PM
I'm a bit surprised that we haven't really seen anything from us yet, still there's time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 01, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
I'm just waiting for a few snatched words from Harry Redknob out of the window of his Range Rover as it leaves QPRs training ground and my day will be complete you facking slags.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:21:43 PM
Burnley have spent three million.I need to lie down
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 01:19:48 PM
I'm a bit surprised that we haven't really seen anything from us yet, still there's time.

That's our style though. Probably won't hear anything until a deal (or deals) are done and the ink on the contract's dry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 01:27:00 PM
I wonder who today's Odemwingie will be?
There's usually one every deadline day who behaves like a tool.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 01:27:32 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 01:27:00 PM
I wonder who today's Odemwingie will be?
There's usually one every deadline day who behaves like a tool.

Probably Odemwingie again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Defoe being linked with us on sky
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on September 01, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
I'm just waiting for a few snatched words from Harry Redknob out of the window of his Range Rover as it leaves QPRs training ground and my day will be complete you facking slags.

a word Harry ?

""yeah triffik...I'd luv Lionel, and we fort we cud do a deal, but Barca said nah....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 01:33:40 PM
Puncheon rumours all over twitter
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Defoe being linked with us on sky

William?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 01:34:05 PM
From Guardian's live webpage:
Quote
Some guy has just tweeted Sky saying he’s actually taken the day off work to watch Sky Sports News. Really?! REALLY? Needless to say the Sky presenters are positively beaming at that.
So, that'll be eastie then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Defoe being linked with us on sky

William?

Id be happy with that but I suspect he'll end up with old saggy face at QPR.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 01, 2014, 01:40:44 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:21:43 PM
Burnley have spent three million.I need to lie down
That's on Pies for Richard Dunne :-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Defoe being linked with us on sky

William?

Id be happy with that but I suspect he'll end up with old saggy face at QPR.

With sandro
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Defoe being linked with us on sky

He's going to QPR................. nailed on....................sorted.

Ryan Nelsen's been sacked as Toronto manager and they're going nowhere this season. Therefore, in typical North American sport fashion, they'll dump salaries. Its not like they've relegation to worry about.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on September 01, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
I'm just waiting for a few snatched words from Harry Redknob out of the window of his Range Rover as it leaves QPRs training ground and my day will be complete you facking slags.

My day would be complete if Jim White pretends to answer the phone to "a premier league" contact live on SSN, only for his phone to actually ring. If it pleases the gods, let it happen...!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on September 01, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
I'm just waiting for a few snatched words from Harry Redknob out of the window of his Range Rover as it leaves QPRs training ground and my day will be complete you facking slags.

My day would be complete if Jim White pretends to answer the phone to "a premier league" contact live on SSN, only for his phone to actually ring. If it pleases the gods, let it happen...!

My day would be complete if Natalie Sawyer naked pictures were leaked. Followed by the signings of Milner, Young and Sandro.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:09:39 PM
Make my day is falcoa failed his medical
Problem is no one fails a medical it's only when the insurance premium is equal to a players transfer fee clubs tend to give up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Would like Puncheon, can play on either wing or as a no 10. Him and Cleverley would be decent business. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:09:39 PM
Make my day is falcoa failed his medical
Problem is no one fails a medical it's only when the insurance premium is equal to a players transfer fee clubs tend to give up.


You're ruined it now :). Oh well I'm still looking for naked Natalie sawyer on web , I've found some but they have stuck her head on
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Would like Puncheon, can play on either wing or as a no 10. Him and Cleverley would be decent business. 

Cleverley holding out for Everton move according to reports now.   ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
fuck him then
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
fuck him then

I'm hoping this is true, he is no better than what we have. Just wish PL had alternatives up his sleeve but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
fuck him then
At last , some sense on Cleverley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2014, 02:01:58 PM
Think I'd rather we kept the 7M, rather than spending it on Cleverly. He's nothing special.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
That Gary Cotterill on SSN is one of the people on television I would most enjoy hitting in the face - very hard - with a shovel.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Would like Puncheon, can play on either wing or as a no 10. Him and Cleverley would be decent business. 

Cleverley holding out for Everton move according to reports now.   ;D

He obviously has a strong affinity with sitting on the bench, greedy little fuck wit!

(Obviously I reserve the right to revoke this comment should said player sign for us at any time in the next 9 hours)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: *shellac* on September 01, 2014, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Defoe being linked with us on sky

William?
Id be happy with that but I suspect he'll end up with old saggy face at QPR.
With sandro
Bullock?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2014, 02:01:58 PM
Think I'd rather we kept the 7M, rather than spending it on Cleverly. He's nothing special.

Powell looks better ... dembele id try a bid
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
fuck him then
At last , some sense on Cleverley.

Cleverley is a knob.  A month before his Yanited debut, he contacted a PR company asking to create a "Brand" and a website for him.
They came up with the brand name, "TC23" and this website:  http://www.creativespark.co.uk/work/tom-cleverley-brand-identity-website-and-video

Stinks of pure attitude.  The Yanited fans at work, call him the Brand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2014, 02:10:22 PM
Are we really signing Daniel Defoe?   One trick pony.   Robinson we already done got and Caruso can be had for a song.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 02:14:01 PM
I think Everton are too well stocked on midfielders to want to spend £7m on Cleverley, and I think Utd are desperate to cash in on him. He may not come to us, but I'd be surprised if he goes there.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
has Pete Colley got out from behind the bushes at BH yet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Vlaar not going to arse
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave Cooper please on September 01, 2014, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM


Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.

Classical guitarist, also played the lute.


No, sorry that's Julian Bream isn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 01, 2014, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on September 01, 2014, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 12:08:48 PM


Who's Julian Green? I've never heard of him.

Classical guitarist, also played the lute.


No, sorry that's Julian Bream isn't it?

sounds fishy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Have Sky even sent anyone to Bodymoor Heath today?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Vlaar not going to arse


Keeping Ron Vlaar could be the difference between us finishing in the top 4 this season rather than poxy 5th
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
That Gary Cotterill on SSN is one of the people on television I would most enjoy hitting in the face - very hard - with a shovel.

Yes
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 02:27:53 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Vlaar not going to arse


Keeping Ron Vlaar could be the difference between us finishing in the top 4 this season rather than poxy 5th

Selling him would send out the wrong message to our title rivals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2014, 02:28:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 01:34:05 PM
From Guardian's live webpage:
Quote
Some guy has just tweeted Sky saying he’s actually taken the day off work to watch Sky Sports News. Really?! REALLY? Needless to say the Sky presenters are positively beaming at that.
So, that'll be eastie then.

Ozz and Percy too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:29:51 PM
I have not got sky on.. I am decorating
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:29:51 PM
I have not got sky on.. I am decorating

Fitting as watching SSN is often like watching Paint dry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
Ron not going anywhere according to his agent.  This is massive for us. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
It would be nice to sign him to a deal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Have Sky even sent anyone to Bodymoor Heath today?

Yes
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 02:45:18 PM
They've just reported from there.  The most long winded way of saying nothing's going on I think I've heard.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 02:45:44 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Have Sky even sent anyone to Bodymoor Heath today?

Yes

I can also confirm this, not the usual lurker though some new recruit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on September 01, 2014, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:29:51 PM
I have not got sky on.. I am decorating
I haven't got Sky on because I'm hard at work. I haven't got time to watch Sky or monitor fanzine websites.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 02:51:36 PM
Someone please take the yellow news strap and beat Jim White to death with it. Come on Villa, do us proud today. Two in please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Have Sky even sent anyone to Bodymoor Heath today?

Yes

A workman to fix a loose dish. Now that Tonev has gone it's less likely they will be hit every day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
Carnalas
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 02:56:03 PM
sergio canales
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:56:20 PM
Breaking news ..rwal socidad player
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 02:56:33 PM
Bid in for someone i've never heard of
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 02:56:49 PM
What we know of him ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
Ah fuck this. I'm off to burgle Jim White's house.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 02:57:10 PM
too quick juan pablo!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dekko on September 01, 2014, 02:57:13 PM
Ooh spanish, how fancy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 02:57:38 PM
Quicker than the human eye!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 02:57:42 PM
What did he say? Just missed the guy outside BH on SSN say we'd made a bid....!!??
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 02:57:56 PM
he no speeka the english
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: joe_c on September 01, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
Will we have more Canales than Venice if this goes through?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
Odd one this, Canales only joined Sociedad in Dec last year and why would they tell that dickhead outside VP if theyve just made a bid???
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 02:58:05 PM
I'm getting a champ manager hard-on over this one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
Steve Kanaly used to play Ray Krebbs from Dallas
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 02:59:04 PM
attacking midfielder I believe....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS

Nah, the club would look askance at his oppositional tendencies.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 02:59:11 PM
Attacking midfielder for Racing Sociedad. Lovely girlfriend
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 02:59:40 PM
Quote from: eamonn on September 01, 2014, 02:28:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 01:34:05 PM
From Guardian's live webpage:
Quote
Some guy has just tweeted Sky saying he’s actually taken the day off work to watch Sky Sports News. Really?! REALLY? Needless to say the Sky presenters are positively beaming at that.
So, that'll be eastie then.

Ozz and Percy too.

I didn't know it was 'Deadline Day' when I booked it off, I was just knackered. Glad I did though, I sort of like it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2014, 02:57:10 PM
too quick juan pablo!

Hope he is ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: andrew08 on September 01, 2014, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: joe_c on September 01, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
Will we have more Canales than Venice if this goes through?

😄
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
he's the spanish pele or the spanish maradona. You heard it here. Transfer fee in the region of 45 million - could go up to seventy depending on appearances.

.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 02:59:11 PM
Attacking midfielder for Racing Sociedad. Lovely girlfriend

Fantastic ...    I need a w***
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

With his phone ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
My Valencia supporting colleague reckons he way too good for us.

Very creative but quite lightweight....2 bad injuries halted his progress supposedly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 03:03:35 PM
Bid or loan ??

I missed it
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 02:59:11 PM
Attacking midfielder for Racing Sociedad. Lovely girlfriend

Fantastic ...    I need a w***

I like to make sure we concentrate on the important stats first
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: ev on September 01, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
My Valencia supporting colleague reckons he way too good for us.

Very creative but quite lightweight....2 bad injuries halted his progress supposedly.

2 bad injuries eh? He'll fit right in
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: go on the dog on September 01, 2014, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Have Sky even sent anyone to Bodymoor Heath today?

No there at Admin's from TBAR'S  bedroom door
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.


BREAKING NEWS: WE UNDERSTAND OZZ HAS SWAPPED HIS BRUSH FOR A ROLLER.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: go on the dog on September 01, 2014, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Have Sky even sent anyone to Bodymoor Heath today?

No there at Admin's from TBAR'S  bedroom door

Wow, that's a lot of reporters.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.

I'm running a book on the colour of paint being used
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 03:06:39 PM
Nothing to do with any of this but I do remember a fantasy football team called Sporting Apanhandle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
A quick google on his name and ours links to rumours McLeish was trying to make him his first signing for us three years ago.

Oh, to think what could have been.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS

OMG! I just done jizzed my pants!!!!! I also have no idea who this mook is, but his name is immense. I think all posts should be like this.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

Me too. That would be a very good signing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.

I'm running a book on the colour of paint being used

Today yellow. Eastie is sat under the ladder with red paint and a stencil keeping him abreast of transfer developments
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2014, 03:08:14 PM
Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.

I'm running a book on the colour of paint being used

Fagnolia.

Its like magnolia with a nicotine tinge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on September 01, 2014, 03:09:12 PM
SB Nation (http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/9/1/6092901/sergio-canales-aston-villa-transfer-rumours)

Quote
According to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa have made a surprising late bid for Real Sociedad playmaker Sergio Canales. The Spanish under-21 international and former Real Madrid prodigy has been held back by injury issues throughout his career, and for that reason, might come at a seriously discounted price for Villa.

The Villains have been chasing a playmaking midfielder for the last few days, and might be looking at Canales as an alternative to other previously linked targets. They were rumored to be close to making an £8m move for Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley, but that has yet to come to fruition. Cleverley is reportedly debating running out his contract in an attempt to get a bigger payday next summer.

Canales isn't exactly like Cleverley, but might serve the same function for Villa. He usually plays higher up the pitch and is a bit more creative than the United man, but obviously has an inferior fitness record and might not be quite as good at simply keeping possession.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Better than Gary Lineker shitting on the pitch!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Pooing under pressure is a dying art.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:10:54 PM
Canales' strengths and weaknesses are interesting.

Could fill in that "happy to shoot from 70 yards" slot Tonev has vacated

(http://i.imgur.com/IN1vGBV.png)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Nothing worse though if you need it as any runner amongst us will testify - the running motion just makes it worse and a dive off into the bushes is inevitable. Dock leaves work well if you ever find yourself indisposed thus...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.


BREAKING NEWS: WE UNDERSTAND OZZ HAS SWAPPED HIS BRUSH FOR A ROLLER.

Why isn't he using a paint pad?

Lambert out!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 01, 2014, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Better than Gary Lineker shitting on the pitch!



You mean 'Gary I never scored at Villa Park in my entire career Lineker'?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Better than Lineker, who never made it!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS

OMG! I just done jizzed my pants!!!!! I also have no idea who this mook is, but his name is immense. I think all posts should be like this.


Wasn't he in charge of the Wehrmacht once Hitler had committed suicide?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:12:56 PM
Canales was amazingly highly rated a few years back, I'd be pretty excited if we signed him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
SSN CORRECTION...ASTON VILLA ARE NOT INTERESTING IN CANALES.. RANDY LERNER WANTS THE TEAM TO PLAY MARIA CALLAS AS THEY WALK OUT
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS

OMG! I just done jizzed my pants!!!!! I also have no idea who this mook is, but his name is immense. I think all posts should be like this.

.                                                                                                                                             BREAKING NEWS - Me too!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

He looked pretty technically brilliant a couple of years ago, going to Madrid too young set him back a bit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
Steve Kanaly used to play Ray Krebbs from Dallas

Isn't that the bloke we had who played in goal wearing his pajama bottoms ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
can a mod delete Juan Pablos post please, I'm the ITK not him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

What do you mean? Cuellar could hit any seat in the stand you wanted
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

What do you mean? Cuellar could hit any seat in the stand you wanted

Yes, but he couldn't hit any seat he wanted
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:14:47 PM
If it is true, it would be a pretty ambitious bid for the sort of player we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.


BREAKING NEWS: WE UNDERSTAND OZZ HAS SWAPPED HIS BRUSH FOR A ROLLER.

Obviously, the really big news today is that, as we see above, Woodhall has worked out how to use marquee text.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
SSN CORRECTION...ASTON VILLA ARE NOT INTERESTING IN CANALES.. RANDY LERNER WANTS THE TEAM TO PLAY MARIA CALLAS AS THEY WALK OUT

Never rated her 'Vissi d'arte', if I'm honest. A little nasal and thin.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
If he's anywhere near as good a few years ago then this would be a great signing.

If it's true of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Nothing worse though if you need it as any runner amongst us will testify - the running motion just makes it worse and a dive off into the bushes is inevitable. Dock leaves work well if you ever find yourself indisposed thus...

Indeed, it's always an error to move with pace, you need a firm arse-cheek clench whilst walking on tip-toe with your groin slightly advanced.

Think walking like a Mancunian, without the arm-swinging.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: adrenachrome on September 01, 2014, 03:16:42 PM
John Percy at the The Torygraph:

Quote
15.04 Aston Villa in "buying someone good" shocker! More from John Percy:

Paul Lambert has made a bid for Real Sociedad's attacking midfielder Sergio Canales. The former Spain under-21 international, 23, has been targeted for a move to the Premier League by Lambert and Sociedad are considering the offer. Villa are still waiting on an answer from Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley, but their move for Canales could suggest they are moving on to other targets.

I remember watching Spain under-19s take England apart at the Euros in Normandy a few years ago. Canales was the best player on the pitch: deft, inventive, seemingly x-ray vision. After leaving Real Madrid, though, he's not kicked on. He did OK at Valencia, and then quite well at Real Sociedad last season, but potentially he's better than that. Just look at some of the other players in that Spain squad: Koke, Thiago Alcantara, Martin Montoya. That's the bracket Canales should be in. If Lambert can get the best out of him, that could be a formidable piece of business.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
Is it not too late? Surely we would have to have it nearly sorted by now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 01, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
The ever reliable wiki ... just checked and Sergio Canales currently plays for Walsall. There aren't arf some funny fuckers on tinternet at times.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on September 01, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Was bought when very young by Real Madrid is about all I can remember of him. And he was good in a Spain U21 game I saw.

Aren't you up a ladder?

Holding a brush or using a roller?

Sky sources: he's cutting-in, so brush. Only speculation ATM, waiting for confirmation.


BREAKING NEWS: WE UNDERSTAND OZZ HAS SWAPPED HIS BRUSH FOR A ROLLER.

Obviously, the really big news today is that, as we see above, Woodhall has worked out how to use marquee text.

It took him a while to get the colour right, mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Have the Blues signed anyone? (stop laughing)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

On the bright side, there are only about five Spanish males alive today who have zero technical ability, and we've already signed two of them. It would be awful bad luck to stumble upon one of the other three.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?

Edwyn Collins pissed himself on stage
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

Not just this planet, the Moon as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
Is it not too late? Surely we would have to have it nearly sorted by now.


There's still time Ozz!!!!

*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
If he's anywhere near as good a few years ago then this would be a great signing.

If it's true of course.

Exactly, I'd count this as a very exciting signing if true and it happens.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
Woah, I'm losing track! My marbles are going! The little hamster that powers my mind needs more sunflower seeds! Ring, ring, ring! Bring in Pete Tong - the party's about to get started! MASSIVE!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
Is it not too late? Surely we would have to have it nearly sorted by now.


I was thinking that, but no idea how these things work!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:19:03 PM
Ah this place is great at times. Laughing all the way through the last couple of pages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Probably had this on the back burner while chasing Cleverley, much more excited by this than "TC23" aka "bell end"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
I note that the spell checker on Safari on the Mac automatically changes Canales to Candles.

If we signed him and gave him squad number 4, that'd make it 4 Candles.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:20:47 PM
I can't wait till its 22:59:50, when SSN show Big Ben. I am going to have a danger wank in my living room and see if I can beslt one out before the window slams shut.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on September 01, 2014, 03:16:42 PM
John Percy at the The Torygraph:

Quote
15.04 Aston Villa in "buying someone good" shocker! More from John Percy:

Paul Lambert has made a bid for Real Sociedad's attacking midfielder Sergio Canales. The former Spain under-21 international, 23, has been targeted for a move to the Premier League by Lambert and Sociedad are considering the offer. Villa are still waiting on an answer from Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley, but their move for Canales could suggest they are moving on to other targets.

I remember watching Spain under-19s take England apart at the Euros in Normandy a few years ago. Canales was the best player on the pitch: deft, inventive, seemingly x-ray vision. After leaving Real Madrid, though, he's not kicked on. He did OK at Valencia, and then quite well at Real Sociedad last season, but potentially he's better than that. Just look at some of the other players in that Spain squad: Koke, Thiago Alcantara, Martin Montoya. That's the bracket Canales should be in. If Lambert can get the best out of him, that could be a formidable piece of business.

I was nodding rather excitedly all the way through that until I got to the last line.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
I note that the spell checker on Safari on the Mac automatically changes Canales to Candles.

If we signed him and gave him squad number 4, that'd make it 4 Candles.

but that would mean Vlarr would be gone ;)

UTV The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: passitsideways on September 01, 2014, 03:21:41 PM
In a strictly financial sense, assuming that the Cleverley bid is true, Villa could feasibly afford Canales, given that he was sold for 3.5 million euros in January, and probably isn't making a staggering amount.

...just everything else is the problem; primarily, the fact that the rumour is probably utter bollocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Probably had this on the back burner while chasing Cleverley, much more excited by this than "TC23" aka "bell end"

I am one of those people who forms dislikes for footballers based on irrational, trivial reasons (Mark Hughes = Ailsa Stewart, so don't like him, that sort of thing), and although I don't rate Cleverley, I will happily admit that this "TC23" bollocks has made me even more adamant I don't want us to sign him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2014, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?

Edwyn Collins pissed himself on stage

Can we rip this thread up and start again? It's getting very off topic
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

On the bright side, there are only about five Spanish males alive today who have zero technical ability, and we've already signed two of them. It would be awful bad luck to stumble upon one of the other three.

When did you become so positive and optimistic?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
I note that the spell checker on Safari on the Mac automatically changes Canales to Candles.

If we signed him and gave him squad number 4, that'd make it 4 Candles.

Wouldn't we give him number 16?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
My concern with this possible bid is that we have a track record of finding the technically worst Spanish players on the planet.

On the bright side, there are only about five Spanish males alive today who have zero technical ability, and we've already signed two of them. It would be awful bad luck to stumble upon one of the other three.

When did you become so positive and optimistic?

When i worked out that one of the other three Spanish men without technique is Pedro Almodovar, thus meaning only two remain.

It's hard not to be optimistic over figures like that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Probably had this on the back burner while chasing Cleverley, much more excited by this than "TC23" aka "bell end"
I reckon if Cleverley sticks around for 12 months for  his end of contract big payday he is going to go the way of Bentley. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
Woah, I'm losing track! My marbles are going! The little hamster that powers my mind needs more sunflower seeds! Ring, ring, ring! Bring in Pete Tong - the party's about to get started! MASSIVE!

I just love the user name Dennis Keeks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2014, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 03:15:46 PM
I think David Batty shit himself during a match at Wolves as well, it was the only bit of his serialised autobiography that I remember, oh and that he fancied being a bin man when his playing days were over.

Can we get a XI of players who shit themselves during a match? Did Tommy Johnson or was that puke?

Edwyn Collins pissed himself on stage

Can we rip this thread up and start again? It's getting very off topic

Indeed. I don't know why I bother reading these stupid posts, I guess I can't help myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:25:49 PM
I was coming round to the Cleverley idea until I visited that website. TC23 - load of bollocks!


So can we get Canales and a winger over the line before Jim shuts the window?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:25:52 PM
Everyone's favourite Pat Murphy

BBC Sport's Pat Murphy: "Aston Villa have made an undisclosed bid for Real Sociedad attacking midfielder Sergio Canales.

"Formerly at Real Madrid, Canales was a half-time substitute for Real Sociedad in their game against his former team on Sunday. Madrid were leading 2-0 at the break, but Sociedad ran out 4-2 winners with Canales laying on the fourth goal.

"Villa's bid does not mean their interest in Tom Cleverley is over - but that one's now with the player's camp."

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on September 01, 2014, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Probably had this on the back burner while chasing Cleverley, much more excited by this than "TC23" aka "bell end"
I reckon if Cleverley sticks around for 12 months for  his end of contract big payday he is going to go the way of Bentley. 
He will be bought by Volkswagen?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
I note that the spell checker on Safari on the Mac automatically changes Canales to Candles.

If we signed him and gave him squad number 4, that'd make it 4 Candles.
Jesus ....it's a slow day if PW is going to tell bad jokes like PWS.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:27:48 PM
If we did get a couple in of the quality linked at this moment in time it would be an incredible window from Lambert, Keane and Lerner really. Remains to be seen if we can, but if we do.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Its my fault.

My last three posts have referenced the quality of paint pads over brushes/rollers, the qualities of pooing under pressure and having a danger wank.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
I heard earlier that Arsene Wenger is spending the day in Rome refereeing some religion-related charity football match.

If you were an Arsenal fan, with Giroud out and that Sanogo as pretty much their only up-front option, and watching the likes of Falcao go elsewhere, you'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?

Obviously, that bunch of conceited, arrogant Tarquins get annoyed at pretty much anything, but in this case I think they'd be right.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:30:13 PM
is it time for the obligatory youtube video of Canales ?



UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 03:30:23 PM
He'll look at the table and see us 3rd in the league so i fully expect the transfer to go through :)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
Placed a bid

Not sure how much

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:30:55 PM
I don't like pads, shitting under pressure just takes the enjoyment out of it, and I am not sure what you have to do for a danger wank, so I left it alone.

Given up painting for the day now the kids are home.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on September 01, 2014, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Its my fault.

My last three posts have referenced the quality of paint pads over brushes/rollers, the qualities of pooing under pressure and having a danger wank.

To be fair, that's a pretty impressively diverse selection, considering this is a football-related forum.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Small Rodent on September 01, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS

OMG! I just done jizzed my pants!!!!! I also have no idea who this mook is, but his name is immense. I think all posts should be like this.


Wasn't he in charge of the Wehrmacht once Hitler had committed suicide?


That was Doenitz. Canaris was head of the Abwehr, their Military Intelligence. Part of the plot to kill Hitler.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:31:53 PM
The best thing about deadline day.

(http://i.imgur.com/qCquROR.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
I heard earlier that Arsene Wenger is spending the day in Rome refereeing some religion-related charity football match.

If you were an Arsenal fan, with Giroud out and that Sanogo as pretty much their only up-front option, and watching the likes of Falcao go elsewhere, you'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?

Obviously, that bunch of conceited, arrogant Tarquins get annoyed at pretty much anything, but in this case I think they'd be right.


I would be furious. They have the means to buy a striker of their choice, and probably could have got Falcao but Wenger has lost the plot completely.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
Woah, I'm losing track! My marbles are going! The little hamster that powers my mind needs more sunflower seeds! Ring, ring, ring! Bring in Pete Tong - the party's about to get started! MASSIVE!

I just love the user name Dennis Keeks

He's not Villakeeks from Espania is he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
I'm just worried that nothing comes of this and we end up with TC23.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
BREAKING NEWS: OZZ HAS STOPPED PAINTING. MOVE TO CHILD CARE "ON THE CARDS."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:31:53 PM
The best thing about deadline day.

(http://i.imgur.com/qCquROR.jpg)

Amen to that brother
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
I heard earlier that Arsene Wenger is spending the day in Rome refereeing some religion-related charity football match.

If you were an Arsenal fan, with Giroud out and that Sanogo as pretty much their only up-front option, and watching the likes of Falcao go elsewhere, you'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?

Obviously, that bunch of conceited, arrogant Tarquins get annoyed at pretty much anything, but in this case I think they'd be right.


I would be furious. They have the means to buy a striker of their choice, and probably could have got Falcao but Wenger has lost the plot completely.

Any idea what the latest score is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: fbriai on September 01, 2014, 03:34:23 PM
I see that Woodhall only posts in that there 'Marquee' style now, then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Probably had this on the back burner while chasing Cleverley, much more excited by this than "TC23" aka "bell end"

I am one of those people who forms dislikes for footballers based on irrational, trivial reasons (Mark Hughes = Ailsa Stewart, so don't like him, that sort of thing), and although I don't rate Cleverley, I will happily admit that this "TC23" bollocks has made me even more adamant I don't want us to sign him.

Exactly. I was fairly surprised in a good way when we heard about Cleverley, but the more I have thought about it, and heard about him, I have been put off.

The "TC23" thing is pure horseshit, he obviously has a much bigger opinion of himself than anyone else in football.

Come on Everton, he wants to sit on your bench!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: fbriai on September 01, 2014, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Its my fault.

My last three posts have referenced the quality of paint pads over brushes/rollers, the qualities of pooing under pressure and having a danger wank.

To be fair, that's a pretty impressively diverse selection, considering this is a football-related forum.

I am now moving to searching for these leaked pictures of my (future) wife Jennifer Lawrence.

I will bring you more when I have it. Back to Ozz in the studio.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
I heard earlier that Arsene Wenger is spending the day in Rome refereeing some religion-related charity football match.

If you were an Arsenal fan, with Giroud out and that Sanogo as pretty much their only up-front option, and watching the likes of Falcao go elsewhere, you'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?

Obviously, that bunch of conceited, arrogant Tarquins get annoyed at pretty much anything, but in this case I think they'd be right.


I would be furious. They have the means to buy a striker of their choice, and probably could have got Falcao but Wenger has lost the plot completely.

According to the Sky bloke outside Palace's training ground, Colin Wanker went house-hunting this morning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 03:35:24 PM
Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
I heard earlier that Arsene Wenger is spending the day in Rome refereeing some religion-related charity football match.

If you were an Arsenal fan, with Giroud out and that Sanogo as pretty much their only up-front option, and watching the likes of Falcao go elsewhere, you'd be pretty angry, wouldn't you?

Obviously, that bunch of conceited, arrogant Tarquins get annoyed at pretty much anything, but in this case I think they'd be right.


I would be furious. They have the means to buy a striker of their choice, and probably could have got Falcao but Wenger has lost the plot completely.

Any idea what the latest score is?
Bishops 3 Nuns 0  Monsignor Cockthrottle hat trick.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 03:35:54 PM
Two words that stand out..Attacking and Spanish, What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:20:47 PM
I can't wait till its 22:59:50, when SSN show Big Ben. I am going to have a danger wank in my living room and see if I can beslt one out before the window slams shut.

You've got my mind whirring now, I'm trying to work an asphxi-wank climax into the window slamming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:36:40 PM
Given that Benteke apparently loves our floaty corners, I reckon we should sign this bloke.

https://vine.co/v/M3n75hHmxYb
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 03:35:54 PM
Two words that stand out..Attacking and Spanish, What could go wrong?

Stylewise he is exactly the sort of creative player we need.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on September 01, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
That name again Andre Ayew , this from NewsNow .........................Godzvilla!

3.28pm.....And another name apparently on the Q.P.Rangers radar is Marseille winger Andre Ayew. The French international is believed to have turned down a move to Hull City after a bid was accepted by his Ligue 1 employers, and QPR and Aston Villa are both lurking to pull off what would be a coup and a half .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
I still want Puncheon to come
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
Woah, I'm losing track! My marbles are going! The little hamster that powers my mind needs more sunflower seeds! Ring, ring, ring! Bring in Pete Tong - the party's about to get started! MASSIVE!

I just love the user name Dennis Keeks

And I just love the user name Richard Moore.

More, more, more...! How do you like it? How do you like it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list

It could become a dirty habit.


Ayew looks a decent player. If we could get the Spanish kid and him in it would be pretty exciting.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
I have just been text by a mate that Puncheon has handed in a transfer request ???  anyone know if this is right ?

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

and bishops are coming up...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:42:48 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on September 01, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 02:57:02 PM
OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS OMG! OMG! WE HAVE MADE A BID FOR ADMIRAL CANARIS

OMG! I just done jizzed my pants!!!!! I also have no idea who this mook is, but his name is immense. I think all posts should be like this.


Wasn't he in charge of the Wehrmacht once Hitler had committed suicide?


That was Doenitz. Canaris was head of the Abwehr, their Military Intelligence. Part of the plot to kill Hitler.

Ah yes, I did wonder (honestly!) I should have remembered having just read Operation Zig Zag about Eddie Chapman's time as a double agent for the Abwehr. Canaris was eventually executed I think
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 03:42:54 PM
It's like a carry on film on here today
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
Woah, I'm losing track! My marbles are going! The little hamster that powers my mind needs more sunflower seeds! Ring, ring, ring! Bring in Pete Tong - the party's about to get started! MASSIVE!

I just love the user name Dennis Keeks

And I just love the user name Richard Moore.

More, more, more...! How do you like it? How do you like it?

Oh shucks Dennis, that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on H and V. Well almost, as Dave W is always very complimentary about me too. Sheila B Devotion wasn't it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list

It could become a dirty habit.


Ayew looks a decent player. If we could get the Spanish kid and him in it would be pretty exciting.


Bloody right it would! But being a Villa fan, I can't see it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:45:01 PM
This thread is way better than SSN.

I bet a Jim White has been down on a Bishop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:31:53 PM
The best thing about deadline day.

[img width=266 I height=400]http://i.imgur.com/qCquROR.jpg[/img][/spoiler
spoiler
I'm more of a Hayley Mcqueen man myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list

It could become a dirty habit.


Ayew looks a decent player. If we could get the Spanish kid and him in it would be pretty exciting.


Bloody right it would! But being a Villa fan, I can't see it.

Oh of course it won't! Jay spearing and Peter Whittingham are more likely!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
Woah, I'm losing track! My marbles are going! The little hamster that powers my mind needs more sunflower seeds! Ring, ring, ring! Bring in Pete Tong - the party's about to get started! MASSIVE!

I just love the user name Dennis Keeks

And I just love the user name Richard Moore.

More, more, more...! How do you like it? How do you like it?

Oh shucks Dennis, that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on H and V. Well almost, as Dave W is always very complimentary about me too. Sheila B Devotion wasn't it?

Andrea True Connection I think Rich...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:47:05 PM
C'mon Ozz. Don't you know the takeover is being announced tomorrow and that the new owner is sanctioning these deals. We just missed out on Falcao
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:31:53 PM
The best thing about deadline day.

[img width=266 I height=400]http://i.imgur.com/qCquROR.jpg[/img][/spoiler

I'm a Hayley Mcqueen man myself.

She looks like she would half kill a man.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 01, 2014, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list

It could become a dirty habit.


Ayew looks a decent player. If we could get the Spanish kid and him in it would be pretty exciting.

It might hinder Jack Grealish's progress somewhat if we took both of them.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
I still want Puncheon to come

You need to change hands
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:47:52 PM
Looks like Canales has signed.

(http://i.imgur.com/FN4ut8L.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
I have just been text by a mate that Puncheon has handed in a transfer request ???  anyone know if this is right ?

UTV
The Doc

Apparently, Puncheon is not a fan of Neil Warnock and has tweeted one or two things about him in the past. Not sure how true that is mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
That looks real.

I want it to look real.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 01, 2014, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list

It could become a dirty habit.


Ayew looks a decent player. If we could get the Spanish kid and him in it would be pretty exciting.

It might hinder Jack Grealish's progress somewhat if we took both of them.

No I think regardless Jack will get plenty of opportunity after his performance yesterday.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
That looks real.

Looks? Is.

Who doesn't love a balti?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 01, 2014, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
looks like the Nuns are going down

On my bucket list

It could become a dirty habit.


Ayew looks a decent player. If we could get the Spanish kid and him in it would be pretty exciting.

It might hinder Jack Grealish's progress somewhat if we took both of them.

I was thinking the same when the Canales news broke. It would be a shame to send him out on loan again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
I have just been text by a mate that Puncheon has handed in a transfer request ???  anyone know if this is right ?

UTV
The Doc

Apparently, Puncheon is not a fan of Neil Warnock and has tweeted one or two things about him in the past. Not sure how true that is mind.

Didn't he basically accuse him of extorting cash from his players to ensure a place in the starting line up?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
I have just been text by a mate that Puncheon has handed in a transfer request ???  anyone know if this is right ?

UTV
The Doc

Apparently, Puncheon is not a fan of Neil Warnock and has tweeted one or two things about him in the past. Not sure how true that is mind.
It's true. Warnock and Puncheon had a big spat about that penalty miss last season and the FA had to intervene.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
That looks real.

Looks? Is.

Who doesn't love a balti?

I'd have put him down as a paella sort of guy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 03:52:53 PM
No worry about Jack regardless og whoever comes in. He will be a permanent fixture on sub bench thus season and possibly make about 10/15 games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:31:53 PM
The best thing about deadline day.

[img width=266 I height=400]http://i.imgur.com/qCquROR.jpg[/img][/spoiler

I'm a Hayley Mcqueen man myself.

She looks like she would half kill a man.
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:31:53 PM
The best thing about deadline day.

[img width=266 I height=400]http://i.imgur.com/qCquROR.jpg[/img][/spoiler

I'm a Hayley Mcqueen man myself.

She looks like she would half kill a man.

Worth it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2014, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
I still want Puncheon to come

You need to change hands
Quite impressive though the last post was about an hour ago.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: onje_villa on September 01, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
No way am I letting myself get excited over this one. The back to reality moment will be too much...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
That looks real.

Looks? Is.

Who doesn't love a balti?

I'd have put him down as a paella sort of guy.

Whatever takes his fancy....just hope he doesn't turn out to be a flash in the pan
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2014, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:36:40 PM
Given that Benteke apparently loves our floaty corners, I reckon we should sign this bloke.

https://vine.co/v/M3n75hHmxYb

Did someone mention a floaty corner?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
Scott Brown now linked
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
That looks real.

Looks? Is.

Who doesn't love a balti?

I'd have put him down as a paella sort of guy.

Whatever takes his fancy....just hope he doesn't turn out to be a flash in the pan

Signing him would certainly stir things up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
Scott Brown now linked

That's a bucket of cold water, he's fucking hopeless.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:58:59 PM
Grealish won't be impacted by any signings, he'll still be getting plenty of minutes from the bench this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 03:58:59 PM
Grealish won't be impacted by any signings, he'll still be getting plenty of minutes from the bench this season.

If anything it might just take the pressure off him and give an opportunity for cameo starring roles

or even attempts at the Guinness Book of Records for the most yellows awarded in the shortest time
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnc on September 01, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Just had a look at Diario Vasco which is the San Sebastian newspaper. Not a mention of Canales and the Villa. Mind you they did beat El Real last night so are a bit pre-occupied. No mention in El Pais either. MInd you I coud not find a transfer day blog or anything in the spanish/basque sites. What are they doing with themselves today?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: johnc on September 01, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Just had a look at Diario Vasco which is the San Sebastian newspaper. Not a mention of Canales and the Villa. Mind you they did beat El Real last night so are a bit pre-occupied. No mention in El Pais either. MInd you I coud not find a transfer day blog or anything in the spanish/basque sites. What are they doing with themselves today?

Living?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 04:09:43 PM
They are all watching SSN and reading TBAR
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:09:51 PM
Is not today the Festival Day of Burying the Sardine?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bertlambshank on September 01, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:09:51 PM
Is not today the Festival Day of Burying the Sardine?
Dirty boy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
siesta, no?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: johnc on September 01, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Just had a look at Diario Vasco which is the San Sebastian newspaper. Not a mention of Canales and the Villa. Mind you they did beat El Real last night so are a bit pre-occupied. No mention in El Pais either. MInd you I coud not find a transfer day blog or anything in the spanish/basque sites. What are they doing with themselves today?

El Pais being strongly linked with Richard Dunne.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: N'Rexy on September 01, 2014, 04:15:01 PM
No, that's El Pasty that's linked with Dunney.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Wilfred the Hairy on September 01, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
It's in Marca (16.43) - though they're just quoting the Mail

http://www.marca.com/eventos/directo/2014/09/01/17341/asilovivimos.html
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
That looks real.

Looks? Is.

Who doesn't love a balti?


That makes me hungry , I fancy a Balti now

The girlfriend reckons I've got toad in the hole tonight

She can be a bitch at times

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:36:40 PM
Given that Benteke apparently loves our floaty corners, I reckon we should sign this bloke.

https://vine.co/v/M3n75hHmxYb

Was that what Tom Huddlestone attempted to do yesterday?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dennis Keeks on September 01, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
I had a 'toad in the hole' once. Didn't half burn. Not recommended.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: Wilfred the Hairy on September 01, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
It's in Marca (16.43) - though they're just quoting the Mail

http://www.marca.com/eventos/directo/2014/09/01/17341/asilovivimos.html

they are saying that Diarra has signed for QPR which is at odds with what is being said on the 'other' thread
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on September 01, 2014, 04:23:29 PM
Any news on Altidore?









By the way this is a joke to worry the H&V poster in Toronto.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:23:30 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: Wilfred the Hairy on September 01, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
It's in Marca (16.43) - though they're just quoting the Mail

http://www.marca.com/eventos/directo/2014/09/01/17341/asilovivimos.html

they are saying that Diarra has signed for QPR which is at odds with what is being said on the 'other' thread



And vlaar talks with arsenal

BS
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Kirsty is ageing these days.  Really looking forward to the Natalie show. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!


Better both at same time

In my bed
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 04:29:28 PM
they're all tiddlers
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: nodge on September 01, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Every time I see Kirsty I think of KitKats and what she could do with one according to Mr Collymore
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Kirsty is ageing these days.  Really looking forward to the Natalie show.

That's why Kirsty has 3 hours, I got rest of the night for Natalie!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
According to Guilem Ballague there is no way on earth Canales will end up at Aston Villa.

I don't know how I feel about this. I don't know who Canales is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
According to Guilem Ballague there is no way on earth Canales will end up at Aston Villa.

I don't know how I feel about this. I don't know who Canales is.

well he can fuck off , me neither  :-[
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
According to Guilem Ballague there is no way on earth Canales will end up at Aston Villa.

I don't know how I feel about this. I don't know who Canales is.

He's a pompous prick. Not Canales. Well he could be, who knows?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
I still want Puncheon. I like Puncheon.

I can't think of him without remembering when he had to go off mid-match for a shit, and the Southampton fans were singing "He shits when he wants, he shits when he wants" etc etc

Better than Gary Lineker shitting on the pitch!



Employ Paula Radcliffe as fitness coach and she can show them how to shit on a public road.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Every time I see Kirsty I think of KitKats and what she could do with one according to Mr Collymore
Every time I see a Mars Bar I think of Marrianne Faithfull.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tom jennings III on September 01, 2014, 04:35:28 PM
From Wiki

Sergio Canales Madrazo (born 16 February 1991) is a Spanish professional footballer who plays for Aston Villa as an attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Every time I see Kirsty I think of KitKats and what she could do with one according to Mr Collymore

I'm intrigued.

Kate Abdo's in the studio as well so they must have their own rotation system tonight. They'll probably still have Jim White working most hours.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Every time I see Kirsty I think of KitKats and what she could do with one according to Mr Collymore

I'm intrigued.

Kate Abdo's in the studio as well so they must have their own rotation system tonight. They'll probably still have Jim White working most hours.

why did you just spoil it?...mentioning that moron Jim White.....;)

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2014, 04:39:41 PM
Shame if that's off the table (if it ever was on it), cracking little player Canales,  slightly unlucky with injuries mind. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 01, 2014, 04:40:09 PM
Ayew and Canales would be superb. It's not going to happen though, I've accepted that :(
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:42:13 PM
Even give him the 9 shirt on wiki

I was going to change it to Tamworth
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Every time I see Kirsty I think of KitKats and what she could do with one according to Mr Collymore

I'm intrigued.

Kate Abdo's in the studio as well

Now you're talking. Oh, you mean the studio at SSN, not the knocking shop in Hospital Street.

As you were.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Hasn't Ayew been announced as a Hull signing?

I checked to see if Canales was the same one that Real Madrid bought a few years ago. He is and I see Wikipedia has already been edited to announce him as a Villa player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
Kirsty Gallacher at 5pm

Natalie Sawyer at 8pm

Awesome evening!

Every time I see Kirsty I think of KitKats and what she could do with one according to Mr Collymore

I'm intrigued.

Kate Abdo's in the studio as well so they must have their own rotation system tonight. They'll probably still have Jim White working most hours.

why did you just spoil it?...mentioning that moron Jim White.....;)





there's always one!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
I would love him to come just to prove that self promoting prick Balague wrong. Can't stand the twat. Really annoys me how he thinks he is the fucking don on all things Spanish football. I learn more listening to the likes of Graham Hunter who don't bleat about who they know and report the politics of the game over there for example.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
I have seen an amusing screen print of a tweet from Ballague on VT where he was saying there was no way Xavi Alonso was leaving Real Madrid.

Not that I know anything about this signing, let alone the player.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
I would love him to come just to prove that self promoting prick Balague wrong. Can't stand the twat. Really annoys me how he thinks he is the fucking don on all things Spanish football. I learn more listening to the likes of Graham Hunter who don't bleat about who they know and report the politics of the game over there for example.

You and me both brother.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
Is the translation of his Basque nombre Willam Bellend?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 01, 2014, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Hasn't Ayew been announced as a Hull signing?

I checked to see if Canales was the same one that Real Madrid bought a few years ago. He is and I see Wikipedia has already been edited to announce him as a Villa player.

No. They've signed Abel Hernandez.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: exigo on September 01, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
After Cuellar and Luna, let's hope we haven't found the only other Spanish player who can't control or pass a ball.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
Is the translation of his Basque nombre Willam Bellend?

Wasn't "Bellend Bill" the bloke that used to do our write ups in the mail? It's gone full circle now, and that explains why he's been so dismissive of our club.

He's a stripey twat.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 01, 2014, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Hasn't Ayew been announced as a Hull signing?

I checked to see if Canales was the same one that Real Madrid bought a few years ago. He is and I see Wikipedia has already been edited to announce him as a Villa player.

No. They've signed Abel Hernandez.

Ta. I'm losing track of who's being linked with where.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Concrete Tom on September 01, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Burnley have got a good one in Chalobah.

I watched him plenty of times for Watford and I think he would have been good for us in the middle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: Concrete Tom on September 01, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Burnley have got a good one in Chalobah.

I watched him plenty of times for Watford and I think he would have been good for us in the middle.

No, we're past "young and hungry" now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave shelley on September 01, 2014, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



No real point then is there?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
Cheeky scum scrote outside BH, obviously in awe of a proper training facility.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tuscans on September 01, 2014, 04:52:06 PM
C'mon then, who else wanted to punch that kid of his bike?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
No mention of Clark or baker going out ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on September 01, 2014, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



No real point then is there?

I'd prefer to see ACCEPTED
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 01, 2014, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: Concrete Tom on September 01, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Burnley have got a good one in Chalobah.

I watched him plenty of times for Watford and I think he would have been good for us in the middle.

Yeah, I said that to my friend when he was there. Haven't really noticed him since though, he's had a few loan spells in that time too. We've got Sanchez now anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AV82EC on September 01, 2014, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on September 01, 2014, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



No real point then is there?

BING BONG Calling Randys Jet to the thread, that's Randys Jet to the thread, thank you BING BONG
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



They don't know anything, but want to keep you watching, so they're making it up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2014, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
No mention of Clark and  baker going out ?
Just good friends apparently  ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2014, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
No mention of Clark or baker going out ?
Just good friends apparently  ;)

Imagine the dinner sets they'd get through.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



They don't know anything, but want to keep you watching, so they're making it up.

I hate teasers, had it all my life ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VillaAlways on September 01, 2014, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on September 01, 2014, 04:52:06 PM
C'mon then, who else wanted to punch that kid if his bike?
No, I just thought what a compete and utter sad act. Embarrassing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
Cheeky scum scrote outside BH, obviously in awe of a proper training facility.

Well, he was hardly going to wait for a Sky crew to turn up outside Blues' training ground. Even they're not that daft.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
She looks hot in that red dress
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



They don't know anything, but want to keep you watching, so they're making it up.

I hate teasers, had it all my life ...

What about Malteasers?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:58:12 PM
I nominate her for the ice bucket challenge......oh and you'd better cool down JP too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 04:59:15 PM
Nothing is going to happen is it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:59:54 PM
Nah s'pose not
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 05:01:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



Why didn't we bid earlier FFS
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



They don't know anything, but want to keep you watching, so they're making it up.

I hate teasers, had it all my life ...

What about Malteasers?

Love them
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 04:58:12 PM
I nominate her for the ice bucket challenge......oh and you'd better cool down JP too



I suggest skipping the first 38 seconds though.

For the Natalie Sawyer and Hayley McQueen fans, here's theirs -
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 05:01:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Update   bid  put in

They don't know if he can get to villa on time

Nothing new then



Why didn't we bid earlier FFS

Spain only takes two hours
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 05:04:11 PM
Love that blonde piece. Right up my street.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
She looks hot in that red dress

She should take it off!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
She looks hot in that red dress

She should take it off!

In my head , she has
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
Falco earns about 12 million a year tax free at Monaco..ffs
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Colhint on September 01, 2014, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
No mention of Clark or baker going out ?


There's a pitch inspection  at 5pm. Hopefully they can get us past 400 with Clark getting his ton
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
She looks hot in that red dress

She should take it off!

In my head , she has

She has made a good choice of undies today!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on September 01, 2014, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
She looks hot in that red dress

She should take it off!

In my head , she has

She has made a good choice of undies today!


Damn you , I'm going for cold shower


I expect Canales and dembele when I'm back
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 05:23:07 PM
There was a time when we  used to do a 1000 pages in this window. Piss poor performance so far from us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 05:25:02 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 05:23:07 PM
There was a time when we  used to do a 1000 pages in this window. Piss poor performance so far from us.

That's what happens when you get rid of your star performers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 01, 2014, 05:25:02 PM
That was the days when the four eyed bottle job used to buy a new defence on deadline day each season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 05:25:30 PM
What do you expect we are up for sale , we haven't signed anyone for simply ages.....it's all gone to pot.

Risso out!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: citizenDJ on September 01, 2014, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 05:25:30 PM
What do you expect we are up for sale , we haven't signed anyone for simply ages.....it's all gone to pot.

Risso out!

What madness is this?! We haven't lost a game since he's been back! Risso in!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
We're still paying the price for The Ads summer inertia.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
Arsene Wenger is reffing  a charity match in Italy

He must just do this shit on purpose, he knows it drives all the arse fans crazy and he don't give a toss

The man is absolute top class
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
I still miss VillaKicks one of his posts was worth a 100 replies
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2014, 05:29:56 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
Arsene Wenger is reffing  a charity match in Italy

He must just do this shit on purpose, he knows it drives all the arse fans crazy and he don't give a toss

The man is absolute top class

Thats pretty funny actually!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 01, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
Risso was in The Bartons after the Newcastle game. I can confirm he spent all of his time in absentia here eating pies...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: Concrete Tom on September 01, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Burnley have got a good one in Chalobah.

I watched him plenty of times for Watford and I think he would have been good for us in the middle.

Yep, quality signing.

Chelsea loaning a ridiculous amount of players out again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_F.C.#Out_on_loan

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
I'd be surprised if we sign anybody at this stage. Seems to have gone very quiet on the Cleverley front.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: Concrete Tom on September 01, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Burnley have got a good one in Chalobah.

I watched him plenty of times for Watford and I think he would have been good for us in the middle.

Yep, quality signing.

Chelsea loaning a ridiculous amount of players out again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_F.C.#Out_on_loan



Just below it gives their list of players of the year. Frank Sinclair won in 1993. Halcyon days at the Bridge.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 05:41:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 05:29:56 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
Arsene Wenger is reffing  a charity match in Italy

He must just do this shit on purpose, he knows it drives all the arse fans crazy and he don't give a toss

The man is absolute top class

Thats pretty funny actually!

He can relax, he's always got tomorrow to wrap up any deals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: papa lazarou on September 01, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
I'd be surprised if we sign anybody at this stage. Seems to have gone very quiet on the Cleverley front.
Sky Sports Transfer Centre: "Now that Tom Cleverley's move to Aston Villa has fallen through, Everton have emerged as the leading contenders for his signature, pushing QPR back out to second favourites. Here's the latest odds on Cleverley's immediate future, will he move tonight?"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 01, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
I can just hear that shouty Jock spunk trumpet saying that. Grr!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Nirog72 on September 01, 2014, 05:46:09 PM
Looking like a quiet day for us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 05:46:35 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
I'd be surprised if we sign anybody at this stage. Seems to have gone very quiet on the Cleverley front.

It'll be just like Christmas morning when you discover that all you got was an Orange and a copy of Look and Learn
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
I have seen an amusing screen print of a tweet from Ballague on VT where he was saying there was no way Xavi Alonso was leaving Real Madrid.

Not that I know anything about this signing, let alone the player.

Balague was still saying Falcao was signing for Man. United for 40m about an hour after everyone agreed it was a loan deal.

Would love Canales to come, he was superb a few years back but got a bad injury at Madrid.

Exactly the type we lack in midfield, would much prefer him to Cleverley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 05:47:46 PM
Quote from: papa lazarou on September 01, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
I'd be surprised if we sign anybody at this stage. Seems to have gone very quiet on the Cleverley front.
Sky Sports Transfer Centre: "Now that Tom Cleverley's move to Aston Villa has fallen through, Everton have emerged as the leading contenders for his signature, pushing QPR back out to second favourites. Here's the latest odds on Cleverley's immediate future, will he move tonight?"

Everton haven't got a pot to piss in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
I have seen an amusing screen print of a tweet from Ballague on VT where he was saying there was no way Xavi Alonso was leaving Real Madrid.

Not that I know anything about this signing, let alone the player.

Balague was still saying Falcao was signing for Man. United for 40m about an hour after everyone agreed it was a loan deal.

Would love Canales to come, he was superb a few years back but got a bad injury at Madrid.

Exactly the type we lack in midfield, would much prefer him to Cleverley.


Me too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kiddylion on September 01, 2014, 05:50:41 PM
I don't what's more boring,being a villa fan on transfer deadline day or listening to a Paul Lambert interview 😞
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:50:45 PM
puncheon staying
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
Canales is at a Adidas event in Madrid alongside Llorente etc so highly doubt we are anywhere near signing him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: David_Nab on September 01, 2014, 05:53:41 PM
it's all gone a little quiet ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
17.56


Lights out at Bodymoor Heath as Villa fail to get anywhere near Cleverley, Canales or Puncheon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 05:57:44 PM
Spearing is still available
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
17.56


Lights out at Bodymoor Heath as Villa fail to get anywhere near Cleverley, Canales or Puncheon.

You never know, Kozak came from nowhere last season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
The names we've been linked with aren't that inspiring (Canales sounds like a decent prospect, but I was living my life quite happily never having heard of him up until two hours ago), so to miss out on the Cleverleys of this world doesn't bother me, but we don't have anywhere near the squad depth to cope with the season when it gets properly intense. I don't want us to sign just anyone, but to sign nobody is an extremely puzzling and risky strategy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:01:05 PM
Why do they keep saying 'what a day it's been on sky?'  It's been a Monday when one loan deal has been done that hasn't even been done yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:02:29 PM
I never wish ill on anyone, but if he fails his medical at Manure I will literally pee myself.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
I am increasingly starting to think we will sign nobody.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on September 01, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
Sure looks that way
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CAitken on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
17.56


Lights out at Bodymoor Heath as Villa fail to get anywhere near Cleverley, Canales or Puncheon.

You missed a bit get back up your ladder!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
I am increasingly starting to think we will sign nobody.
Me too.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Wish they would take the Canales yellow ticker down
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on September 01, 2014, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
17.56


Lights out at Bodymoor Heath as Villa fail to get anywhere near Cleverley, Canales or Puncheon.

What are they doing with the lights on at that time anyway? No wonder we can't buy players if they are wasting it all on electricity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 06:07:27 PM
So much promise. Still five hours to go. Revisit the Ki bid? I hope this doesn't end in a damp squib. Just as we have an opportunity to push on after a good start to the season an all....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
I am increasingly starting to think we will sign nobody.

£7m outlay with 4 hours 52 minutes left.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 01, 2014, 06:08:57 PM
I haven't kept close touch with it all day so won't start now. I do get the impression bugger all is going to happen though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 06:10:42 PM
One quick word harry


And harry fucks off
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Is Tom Fox involved in this transfer window?
Sorry if it has already been said one way or the other but there are an awful lot of pages to catch up, this evening!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 06:12:26 PM
Harry Redknapp spurning the chance to talk to that gap toothed twat through the car window on transfer deadline day? What's the world coming to?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
Arse signing Welbeck.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 01, 2014, 06:14:34 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
I am increasingly starting to think we will sign nobody.

£7m outlay with 4 hours 52 minutes left.

That's our new owner for you. Tight-fisted get.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
Arse signing Welbeck.

They've found the arse end of the barrel then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
Nice piece of salmon with garnish on the os. (Mobile version)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
if  TC is going to be the summer equivalent of the Wes Hooligan fiasco where he was plan A B C D and E and nothing actually happened I'm going to feel miffed at another wasted opportunity. please pull something out of the bag Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Is Tom Fox involved in this transfer window?
Sorry if it has already been said one way or the other but there are an awful lot of pages to catch up, this evening!
I should think he's working some sort of notice at the Emirates.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Is Tom Fox involved in this transfer window?
Sorry if it has already been said one way or the other but there are an awful lot of pages to catch up, this evening!

No, because he is currently in negotiations over our multi pound boot deal with Dunlop.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 06:16:35 PM
Well this is becoming pretty depressing now, we really need a midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
At least keeping Ron will be like a new signing, well at least it will be at this weeks Press Conference.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:19:39 PM
Thanks, LP I was wondering when he takes over.
Exciting stuff if true, kippaxvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
At least keeping Ron will be like a new signing, well at least it will be at this weeks Press Conference.

I saw an article from John Percy in the Torygraph the other day, which said Lerner had backed Lambert this summer "with an outlay of £12m, including wages"

It struck me that that - throwing in the cost of the wages across the contract length to make it look like we'd spent more - was the sort of thing Doug used to do.

Except, he'd add national insurance payments and VAT as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 06:21:27 PM
I wondered if the Cleverley bid was a Doug stunt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 06:22:41 PM
Oh well, just the official announcement tomorrow of the takeover to look forward to now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 06:23:45 PM
Come on have a bit of faith, remember Dawkins!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 06:21:27 PM
I wondered if the Cleverley bid was a Doug stunt.

I don't think it was. He's hardly a high profile player in the Lineker, Juninho mould. He would have a player who was made available by Man U and Lambert saw him as an upgrade on what he had. It didn't come off once Cleverley started to consider his options. It happens. A decent player and not at all the end of the world that it didn't come off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
At least keeping Ron will be like a new signing, well at least it will be at this weeks Press Conference.

I saw an article from John Percy in the Torygraph the other day, which said Lerner had backed Lambert this summer "with an outlay of £12m, including wages"

It struck me that that - throwing in the cost of the wages across the contract length to make it look like we'd spent more - was the sort of thing Doug used to do.

Except, he'd add national insurance payments and VAT as well.

I don't know what TV money are going to receive this season but seeing as Cardiff received £62m for going down, it is a pretty fair bet that we had a bit more than £12m including wages, pension contributions, car benefits and NI in the available coffers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2014, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Probably had this on the back burner while chasing Cleverley, much more excited by this than "TC23" aka "bell end"

I am one of those people who forms dislikes for footballers based on irrational, trivial reasons (Mark Hughes = Ailsa Stewart, so don't like him, that sort of thing), and although I don't rate Cleverley, I will happily admit that this "TC23" bollocks has made me even more adamant I don't want us to sign him.

I am exactly the same, and my reaction to TC23 has been the same. I keep bounding the word 'bellend' around about him now, rather than just 'shit'.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ron Manager on September 01, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 06:21:27 PM
I wondered if the Cleverley bid was a Doug stunt.

Doug would have gone for someone of note for us not to sign. Not a mediocre midfielder with a sense of false importance.

Bet we sign him now!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 06:22:41 PM
Oh well, just the official announcement tomorrow of the takeover to look forward to now.

Ha ha, it's unbelievable to me that there are actually people out there that believe that shit
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 06:27:37 PM
Without trawling back through the thread, what's the reason for the Canales bid being a no go?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:28:39 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 06:22:41 PM
Oh well, just the official announcement tomorrow of the takeover to look forward to now.

Ha ha, it's unbelievable to me that there are actually people out there that believe that shit

Given that apparently it is the new owner who is 'splashing' all this cash, it is indeed to be hoped that it is shit.  Because if it isn't expect Ramesh, Samesh and Bimal to walk through the door.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 06:28:45 PM
Defoe to Leicester
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 06:27:37 PM
Without trawling back through the thread, what's the reason for the Canales bid being a no go?

To late, and he's watching a match somewhere a long way away apparently
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 06:33:02 PM
Come on Villa do something please.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
if  TC is going to be the summer equivalent of the Wes Hooligan fiasco where he was plan A B C D and E and nothing actually happened I'm going to feel miffed at another wasted opportunity. please pull something out of the bag Villa

With Holohan, Norwich were never going to sell to us & we must have known that when we were making silly bids.

With Cleverley it's likely he thinks we're beneath him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 01, 2014, 06:34:47 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Is Tom Fox involved in this transfer window?
Sorry if it has already been said one way or the other but there are an awful lot of pages to catch up, this evening!

No, because he is currently in negotiations over our multi pound boot deal with Dunlop.

I understand the deal is with the Australian company - Uggs

The strapline will be "Uggs for Mugs"
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Kaka has been spotted at BMH!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10452293_916947571666135_4079322728449871546_n.jpg?oh=df509b1bdee9dfcf76d0be9adb2b4bbc&oe=546AC80A&__gda__=1417672370_e00d8f8cd94127c9401330c54d9b2ade)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
The Canales bids not dead is it?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
The Canales bids not dead is it?

Deader than Professor Dead Duck, recently appointed Professor of Dead Studies at the University of Deadsville.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
If and IF we do make a last minute signing I hope Mystery Man tweets about Villa fans being surprised is not an indication of another Harewood, Heskey or Holte type signing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 06:39:07 PM
Sky made the Canales bid up so I would carry on watching
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
The Canales bids not dead is it?
Apparently he's at a promotional event in Spain. So we're leaving it a bit late if we want him to cough for the doctor.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
The Canales bids not dead is it?

It was an error, Lambert asked for a can of ale.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
if  TC is going to be the summer equivalent of the Wes Hooligan fiasco where he was plan A B C D and E and nothing actually happened I'm going to feel miffed at another wasted opportunity. please pull something out of the bag Villa

With Holohan, Norwich were never going to sell to us & we must have known that when we were making silly bids.

With Cleverley it's likely he thinks we're beneath him.


I know it goes against the grain, but I quite admire Norwich for telling us to fuck of and refusing to do talk to us
I know it's petty and not business like etc, but we must have pissed them of pretty bad about something, cutting of there face to spite there nose it's all good stuff

I wish we would do that more with clubs that take the piss, mainly because I like playing stupid games
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
if  TC is going to be the summer equivalent of the Wes Hooligan fiasco where he was plan A B C D and E and nothing actually happened I'm going to feel miffed at another wasted opportunity. please pull something out of the bag Villa

With Holohan, Norwich were never going to sell to us & we must have known that when we were making silly bids.

With Cleverley it's likely he thinks we're beneath him.


I know it goes against the grain, but I quite admire Norwich for telling us to fuck of and refusing to do talk to us
I know it's petty and not business like etc, but we must have pissed them of pretty bad about something, cutting of there face to spite there nose it's all good stuff

I wish we would do that more with clubs that take the piss, mainly because I like playing stupid games

I don't blame them, either. In the sense that, were I a Norwich fan, I'd have enjoyed it. Almost as much as I enjoyed mating and reproducing with members of my own family.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
I just thought I would say again that we have bid for Canales according to the ticker tape.  It is the 134th time it has gone round since they went straight to BMH with the news.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
The Canales bids not dead is it?
Apparently he's at a promotional event in Spain. So we're leaving it a bit late if we want him to cough for the doctor.

The thing is if we have bid as it has been claimed, then we must have some sort of plan in place to deal with that or we wouldn't have bothered.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
if  TC is going to be the summer equivalent of the Wes Hooligan fiasco where he was plan A B C D and E and nothing actually happened I'm going to feel miffed at another wasted opportunity. please pull something out of the bag Villa

With Holohan, Norwich were never going to sell to us & we must have known that when we were making silly bids.

With Cleverley it's likely he thinks we're beneath him.


I know it goes against the grain, but I quite admire Norwich for telling us to fuck of and refusing to do talk to us
I know it's petty and not business like etc, but we must have pissed them of pretty bad about something, cutting of there face to spite there nose it's all good stuff

I wish we would do that more with clubs that take the piss, mainly because I like playing stupid games

I had it selling something on eBay, guy came 2 hrs to buy an item and tried to knock 150 quid off, soi told him to bugger off
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
The Canales bids not dead is it?
Apparently he's at a promotional event in Spain. So we're leaving it a bit late if we want him to cough for the doctor.

The thing is if we have bid as it has been claimed, then we must have some sort of plan in place to deal with that or we wouldn't have bothered.

We'd have sent dork force one
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1578297/media_httpwwwoffthepo_nHEGu.gif)

Never gets old.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Jimbo on September 01, 2014, 06:45:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
if  TC is going to be the summer equivalent of the Wes Hooligan fiasco where he was plan A B C D and E and nothing actually happened I'm going to feel miffed at another wasted opportunity. please pull something out of the bag Villa

With Holohan, Norwich were never going to sell to us & we must have known that when we were making silly bids.

With Cleverley it's likely he thinks we're beneath him.


I know it goes against the grain, but I quite admire Norwich for telling us to fuck of and refusing to do talk to us
I know it's petty and not business like etc, but we must have pissed them of pretty bad about something, cutting of there face to spite there nose it's all good stuff

I wish we would do that more with clubs that take the piss, mainly because I like playing stupid games

I don't blame them, either. In the sense that, were I a Norwich fan, I'd have enjoyed it. Almost as much as I enjoyed mating and reproducing with members of my own family.

Is there something you'd like to share with the group, Paulie?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

We've got Joe Cole. How many players in the hole do you want?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2014, 06:46:39 PM
TC seems to have got his wank wish and is Everton bound
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1578297/media_httpwwwoffthepo_nHEGu.gif)

Never gets old.
It gets me everytime.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

We've got Joe Cole. How many players in the hole do you want?
I forgot about him to be honest, mind you I think he's in the wrong hole.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:50:16 PM
Anyone seen that little bloser on his bike at bodymoor on SSN earlier this morning
Standing behind the presenter waving his blues scarf and wearing his shirt

Made me smile
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2014, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

We've got Joe Cole. How many players in the hole do you want?
I forgot about him to be honest, mind you I think he's in the wrong hole.

There's probably more chance of Joe C playing more games than Joe Cole this season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Who's got Sky Sports on? I have Iggle Piggle and Upssy Daisy in The Night Garden which is actually nearly as irritating.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
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Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

We've got Joe Cole. How many players in the hole do you want?
I forgot about him to be honest, mind you I think he's in the wrong hole.

The only hole Joe Cole is going to be spending much time in this season is the doorway he passes through to get to the treatment room.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2014, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
The thing is if we have bid as it has been claimed, then we must have some sort of plan in place to deal with that or we wouldn't have bothered.

You say that like that's not exactly the sort of daft shit we'd do!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
@StanCollymore: Villa. Speaking to Canales and Cleverley. Hopeful of at least one, maybe both. @talkSPORT #talkSPORT http://t.co/F8ZCiRYuVX
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:54:31 PM
Canales has rejected us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
Quote from: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
@StanCollymore: Villa. Speaking to Canales and Cleverley. Hopeful of at least one, maybe both. @talkSPORT #talkSPORT http://t.co/F8ZCiRYuVX

Just reported that Cleverley is on his way to finch farm.

Can we not get Ayew?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
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lol. Fairplay lad, fair play.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Who's got Sky Sports on? I have Iggle Piggle and Upssy Daisy in The Night Garden which is actually nearly as irritating.


You do know they have pictures of Radamel Falcoa in a car with blacked out windows
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:55:13 PM
Just been confirmed he has turned us down for tax reasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:54:31 PM
Canales has rejected us.

when/where?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 01, 2014, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on September 01, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

We've got Joe Cole. How many players in the hole do you want?

With Joe Cole in the hole, how many more players do you think might fit?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
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lol. Fairplay lad, fair play.


That's the one,
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 06:56:37 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Who's got Sky Sports on? I have Iggle Piggle and Upssy Daisy in The Night Garden which is actually nearly as irritating.


You do know they have pictures of Radamel Falcoa in a car with blacked out windows
Amazing breaking news, probably
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:56:45 PM
Sergio on SSN just said it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on September 01, 2014, 06:34:47 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Is Tom Fox involved in this transfer window?
Sorry if it has already been said one way or the other but there are an awful lot of pages to catch up, this evening!

No, because he is currently in negotiations over our multi pound boot deal with Dunlop.

I understand the deal is with the Australian company - Uggs

The strapline will be "Uggs for Mugs"
:)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pav on September 01, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Well.... No canales,  cleverly looks Everton bound......please disperse nothing to see here
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
Balls that's fucking annoying, I hope we have another option.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:56:45 PM
Sergio on SSN just said it.

is that his agent ? i don't have it on
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:59:07 PM
I am so desperate to see someone sign, I would go for Brian Ruiz who Fulham want rid of.  I know I know.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 01, 2014, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
@StanCollymore: Villa. Speaking to Canales and Cleverley. Hopeful of at least one, maybe both. @talkSPORT #talkSPORT http://t.co/F8ZCiRYuVX

I wonder if his source is this thread from three hours ago?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
No the Spanish pundit that they have on the football shows.  Guillem is it not Sergio.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:56:45 PM
Sergio on SSN just said it.

is that his agent ? i don't have it on

It was that Gillian Balague
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:55:13 PM
Just been confirmed he has turned us down for tax reasons.

That is complete bollocks!

No Premier League footballer pays the tax they should, and everyone knows it!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
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lol. Fairplay lad, fair play.

Yes what a hero that young lad will be to the heathen masses as they huddle and gather around for crumbs of comfort. There's not much to celebrate now being a lowly nose so any perceived victory is a major one. They'll be downing their last pint and dragging on their last taxpayer fag to him tonight.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fuse on September 01, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
This is like a Doug Ellis transfer deadline - loads of public bids for players who never were going to come!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:02:00 PM
So Sky sources say Canales rejects move to Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 07:02:20 PM
I've just googled the situation on basque tax, unfortunately it bored the shit out of me within a couple of lines so I'm none the wiser.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 07:02:41 PM
Don't footballers over there have some tax swerve going on?

At some stage we will have to gamble on wages again to make us better.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:55:13 PM
Just been confirmed he has turned us down for tax reasons.

That is complete bollocks!

No Premier League footballer pays the tax they should, and everyone knows it!

Tax is only 25% in the Basque area apparently
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 01, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: Fuse on September 01, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
This is like a Doug Ellis transfer deadline - loads of public bids for players who never were going to come!
My thoughts too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:04:02 PM
By any measurement this has been a piss poor window in the end.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
How bloody long does it take to find a player of "In the Hole" variety.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1578297/media_httpwwwoffthepo_nHEGu.gif)

Never gets old.
It gets me everytime.

The best football gif
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
That road into Man Utd's training ground looks a bit ropey.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 01, 2014, 07:04:38 PM
Spanish Footballers do have a tax break. I think they pay something like 10% in Spain? I'd have to google, but that would probably be the reason why. And the fact that we don't want to pay big wages against that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 06:55:13 PM
Just been confirmed he has turned us down for tax reasons.

That is complete bollocks!

No Premier League footballer pays the tax they should, and everyone knows it!

There's a sliding scale of tax rates in Spain, with the top one being 54%.  I don't know how it all breaks down in reality, but it's very unlikely that he'd be worse off over here.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on September 01, 2014, 07:04:38 PM
Spanish Footballers do have a tax break. I think they pay something like 10% in Spain? I'd have to google, but that would probably be the reason why. And the fact that we don't want to pay big wages against that.


No wonder they are always screaming for euro handouts
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
That road into Man Utd's training ground looks a bit ropey.

It reminds me of the scene in Snatch when they attempt to leave the gypsy site with the Caravan in tow.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on September 01, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
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lol. Fairplay lad, fair play.

Yes what a hero that young lad will be to the heathen masses as they huddle and gather around for crumbs of comfort. There's not much to celebrate now being a lowly nose so any perceived victory is a major one. They'll be downing their last pint and dragging on their last taxpayer fag to him tonight.

Its beyond sad to turn up at your own teams training ground hoping to make an arse of yourself for the TV, words escape me for turning up at your rival's.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 01, 2014, 07:09:07 PM
Or it was at least... I think it was 24% In actual fact... I don't know. There was a tax break somewhere. I think it has been lifted now...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2014, 07:09:26 PM
Which is miles from anywhere.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:09:45 PM
Shame he rejected us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
Stand by for a late Scott Sinclair bid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:12:27 PM
fuck  they just went back straight away ... cleverley mentioned now
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:13:36 PM
What exactly was the point going back to that bloke then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
Can't see why manure would let him go on loan


Not that I want him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 07:15:04 PM
So Utd only want shot of him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
Hull get Wet Spams Diame. All the clubs around us bringing players. Not necessarily better players but boosting their squads. Come on Villa. Bring em in!!! Way too light in centre mid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
Stand by for a late Scott Sinclair bid.
Nothing wrong with that, imo. Seems he was prepared to go to Stoke..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:13:36 PM
What exactly was the point going back to that bloke then.

I got bloody excited then
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
LVG obviously doesn't think much of "TC23" wants rid permanently!

I don't want him either, which means its nailed on we will sign him!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
I've just been told, by a very good source, that we're in for Miroslav Klose.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
I would love him to come just to prove that self promoting prick Balague wrong. Can't stand the twat. Really annoys me how he thinks he is the fucking don on all things Spanish football. I learn more listening to the likes of Graham Hunter who don't bleat about who they know and report the politics of the game over there for example.

Have you read Graham's books on Barcelona and Spain? Recommended them if not plus the fact he's a great bloke as well!.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
whos left



Bid  for dembele
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
I've just been told, by a very good source, that we're in for Miroslav Klose.
The 2007 Mac McColgan?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
I've just been told, by a very good source, that we're in for Miroslav Klose.

For the last time Walnuts, Mac, isn't, never was, and never will be a good source.  Now let it lie! ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
I've just been told, by a very good source, that we're in for Miroslav Klose.
The 2007 Mac McColgan?

Excellent!

I was hoping someone else would remember
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
Bah, beaten to it by 11 seconds.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Stu on September 01, 2014, 07:22:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
I've just been told, by a very good source, that we're in for Miroslav Klose.

I remember when I tried to sign Oliver Bierhof on Championship Manager 2001.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:23:13 PM
You said that a while back. Can't see it happening, isn't he just an older Bent? Or is it a joke going straight over my head.

Been putting the kids to bed for the last hour, I take it that after a decent window, an optimistic start in the league and a general feel good feeling of Lambert saying 2 more, we are going to end up with no one today?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on September 01, 2014, 07:24:27 PM
Selling Ahmadi and loaning out Gardner,and not getting better replacements is one massive crash back down to Earth after the bright start to the season.This is so typical of Villa and repeats the mistake we always make of not investing properly.It's obviously wages compared to other clubs and is very frustrating.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:24:54 PM
Look at these nobs outside Palace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:26:08 PM
We need another body in midfield
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
By this point in the evening most deals have been smoked out, so I'd be very surprised if anything of note happened now. Won't stop me listening to 5Live with SSN on in the background though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:29:58 PM
Come on Kirsty and (don't know the blokes name) do something for us before you go at 8?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:30:08 PM
I am amazed a decent midfield player, even on loan hasn't come in, and we are clearly a forward light too. We are a lot stronger than last season though I suppose. Will we finish the window as the lowest spending side?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:31:17 PM
Well they better hurry on up, I'm playing darts for the Plough at half 8
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:31:53 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
By this point in the evening most deals have been smoked out, so I'd be very surprised if anything of note happened now. Won't stop me listening to 5Live with SSN on in the background though.

Yep, we're getting into Salifou type "anybody with a pair of legs" territory now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
We could snatch Jermaine Beckford from right under Fulham's nose!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: devilla on September 01, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Sergio Canales? Instead of Cleverley?

Also, is anybody watching Football Forum on BBC? They keep showing their office and there's two tunnel-like things in there. Anybody know what they are?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2014, 07:32:56 PM
Kozak, Dawkins and Salifou were all out of the blue weren't they?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

Less than £10m
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This is the lull in the evening when you get lured into being thankful for a Jay Spearing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

£6.2m or so, given that we've flogged KEA for 800k
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 07:35:11 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

About £7.3m on fees. Reportedly Aly £2m, Sanchez £4.7m and Richardson £600k.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2014, 07:35:59 PM
too little. up until yesterday we had the third lowest spend . Deeply worrying if nothing happened before 11pm
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 07:36:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

£6.2m or so, given that we've flogged KEA for 800k

It is difficult to not be anything other than disappointed by that.

Again
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 07:35:11 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

About £7.3m on fees. Reportedly Aly £2m, Sanchez £4.7m and Richardson £600k.

Ok thanks
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:36:31 PM
Even less than any of us even thought despite being for sale.

For 7 million, fair play for making us more solid.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 07:37:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This is the lull in the evening when you get lured into being thankful for a Jay Spearing.
Lured into geting a Jay Spearing. That sounds like some kind of slang for something.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

£6.2m or so, given that we've flogged KEA for 800k

Thanks to you as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:31:17 PM
Well they better hurry on up, I'm playing darts for the Plough at half 8
The Plough in Duxford ?.......Im there now waiting for Cleverley, Wellbeck,Sinclair and Canales. to sign for the Villa...I'll get u a pint before u chuck your arrers...;)
UTV
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:37:28 PM
I think we pulled out of the Cleverley deal as we were worried about breaching the Financial Fair Play rules.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
Haven't read last few pages, is Canales going to happen or not? That would be a coup and a signing to get properly excited about imo.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
If we get nobody else in how much will we have spent in this window ?

Less than £10m


And you
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 01, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:31:17 PM
Well they better hurry on up, I'm playing darts for the Plough at half 8
The Plough in Duxford ?.......Im there now waiting for Cleverley, Wellbeck,Sinclair and Canales. to sign for the Villa...I'll get u a pint before u chuck your arrers...;)
UTV


Plough in Newport Pagnell
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:38:40 PM
Lerner has said you got given, bent,hutton and nzogbia back . its like four signing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
A decent creative/attacking midfielder could make such a difference to this team. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
Haven't read last few pages, is Canales going to happen or not? That would be a coup and a signing to get properly excited about imo.

No he has rejected us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
Haven't read last few pages, is Canales going to happen or not? That would be a coup and a signing to get properly excited about imo.

Turned us down
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 07:40:11 PM
Whilst we may be stronger than a year ago, we are only 2-3 injuries away from being in the shit again. We needed competition for central midfield & a winger, not likely to happen though is it & we don't buy in January either, looks like that's it for the season. Disappointing again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lee on September 01, 2014, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
Haven't read last few pages, is Canales going to happen or not? That would be a coup and a signing to get properly excited about imo.

SSN says he doesn't want to come.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
A decent creative/attacking midfielder could make such a difference to this team. 

As ever with Villa, get to the verge of a decent side and don't consolidate it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
17th in the spending .lets hope we don't finish 17th
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:41:25 PM
I have posted 23 times today which is a record for me on this site

I can't see it on the ticker tape yet, but sure it will come up soon
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2014, 07:41:43 PM
As an aside did collymore ever elaborate on his chocolate finger claims? I assumed it had something to do with the forcing of a snickers down his hog's eye with a camping mallet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
A decent creative/attacking midfielder could make such a difference to this team. 

As ever with Villa, get to the verge of a decent side and don't consolidate it.

Muzzy Izzet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.

Not when you've had a season as bad as we've just had.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:37:28 PM
I think we pulled out of the Cleverley deal as we were worried about breaching the Financial Fair Play rules.
Yes us agreeing to his wage demand would have led to a UEFA enquiry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: themossman on September 01, 2014, 07:41:43 PM
As an aside did collymore ever elaborate on his chocolate finger claims? I assumed it had something to do with the forcing of a snickers down his hog's eye with a camping mallet.


Anal sex is my guess
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:43:04 PM
Manure forgot about signing a decent CB ....   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
A decent creative/attacking midfielder could make such a difference to this team. 

As ever with Villa, get to the verge of a decent side and don't consolidate it.

I'd just settle for keeping Vlaar as when Benteke gets back we'll continue nicking games 1-0/2-1 to be pretty comfortable.

It is infuriating though every window passes and we can never sign an attacking midfielder.

We must be the only club that dosen't have an experienced one on the books as Grealish is still learning the game at PL level.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2014, 07:44:26 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:42:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
A decent creative/attacking midfielder could make such a difference to this team. 

As ever with Villa, get to the verge of a decent side and don't consolidate it.

Muzzy Izzet?

Eirik bakke?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.

Not when you've had a season as bad as we've just had.
Yes that's a fair point but signing too many players in a single window never works.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:44:42 PM
You think we could attract players being third
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:44:43 PM
Has Wilson arrived for his medical yet?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: themossman on September 01, 2014, 07:41:43 PM
As an aside did collymore ever elaborate on his chocolate finger claims? I assumed it had something to do with the forcing of a snickers down his hog's eye with a camping mallet.
.


Anal sex is my guess
what? Down at the Plough? Blimey, your local certainly is different
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.

Not when you've had a season as bad as we've just had.
Yes that's a fair point but signing too many players in a single window never works.

That's a fair point, but I'd suggest that four is not exactly "too many", especially when one is incapable of running for more than 20 minutes and fashioned of crystal.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:46:06 PM
We need carbone
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.

Not when you've had a season as bad as we've just had.
Yes that's a fair point but signing too many players in a single window never works.

That's a fair point, but I'd suggest that four is not exactly "too many", especially when one is incapable of running for more than 20 minutes and fashioned of crystal.
Also when we have released a regular from last season too, all be it he was not the best to grace B6.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: themossman on September 01, 2014, 07:41:43 PM
As an aside did collymore ever elaborate on his chocolate finger claims? I assumed it had something to do with the forcing of a snickers down his hog's eye with a camping mallet.
.


Anal sex is my guess
what? Down at the Plough? Blimey, your local certainly is different

wow things have hot up since I was last on the thread
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.

Not when you've had a season as bad as we've just had.
Yes that's a fair point but signing too many players in a single window never works.

That's a fair point, but I'd suggest that four is not exactly "too many", especially when one is incapable of running for more than 20 minutes and fashioned of crystal.
Also when we have released a regular from last season too, all be it he was not the best to grace B6.

And Bennett and Gardner have gone out on loan. As has Tonev.

Actually, the headcount is unchanged.

KEA, Gardner, Bennett, Tonev out.
Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Sanchez in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
Pat Murphy just saying that TC23 is after £80k a week; hence the stand-off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...

You forgot Sylla. But also Benteke, Bacuna & Kozak.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 07:48:42 PM
Jonjo Shelvey anyone?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...
Crikey, that's about 5 million pound outlay and returns. Sometimes a punt on lower league players does not quite come off.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
Pat Murphy just saying that TC23 is after £80k a week; hence the stand-off.

Jesus Christ, I would imagine our offer would be so much lower than that there wouldn't be any requirement to talk further.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
Pat Murphy just saying that TC23 is after £80k a week; hence the stand-off.

Fooking nora. How much!!!!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:26:08 PM
We need another body in midfield

I think we're fine in terms of numbers. Sanchez, Delph, Westwood, Richardson, Joe Cole and in an injury crisis Herd and Clark have experience of the holding position.

Canales would've been an exciting option though and I'd like to think we can find a decent wide player on loan at the 11th hour but not hopeful now I have to admit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Why is it worrying that we have not spent wedge full of cash? We have signed 4 players that's about as many as any team should sign in a TW.

Not when you've had a season as bad as we've just had.
Yes that's a fair point but signing too many players in a single window never works.

That's a fair point, but I'd suggest that four is not exactly "too many", especially when one is incapable of running for more than 20 minutes and fashioned of crystal.
Also when we have released a regular from last season too, all be it he was not the best to grace B6.

And Bennett and Gardner have gone out on loan. As has Tonev.

Actually, the headcount is unchanged.

KEA, Gardner, Bennett, Tonev out.
Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Sanchez in.
I suppose so, I hope that's not what Learner and Lambert are also thinking though,
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:50:13 PM
I'd feel happier if Baker had gone during this window - he's a clanger waiting to happen every game.
I understand that we need cover for injuries but Baker?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:50:29 PM
Wish we had offered the Cleverley money to Palace for Puncheon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
Looking at it a bit more it makes the last couple of years even more mad when you look at the starting line up on Sunday being made up of players that were here before the manager.

Guzan
Hutton
Delph
Gabby
Wiemann
CNZ

With Bent and Young Jack too...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pav on September 01, 2014, 07:51:16 PM
80k week for tc,  fucking hell
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
Pat Murphy just saying that TC23 is after £80k a week; hence the stand-off.

Jesus Christ, I would imagine our offer would be so much lower than that there wouldn't be any requirement to talk further.
Murphy reckoned that Vila were prepared to go to £60k ...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 07:52:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 07:50:29 PM
Wish we had offered the Cleverley money to Palace for Puncheon.


Not keen on Puncheon,
But I think it stems from seeing him in a club one night when he played for MK Dons,
he was an absolute dickhead

He probably isn't the only footballer with these traits mind
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 01, 2014, 07:53:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:48:11 PM
Pat Murphy just saying that TC23 is after £80k a week; hence the stand-off.
Sure I saw he was on 40k according to Red Cafe
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Dead in the water
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
I back the club on this.

Cleverley is nowhere near an 80k player, imo Delph is a superior midfielder than him. Now given Delph's contract is running out, you'd imagine he would be wanting parity if Cleverley was on that...and hence our wage bill starts to spiral out of contract yet again.

Cleverley would be another Sidwell, I'm happy he's not coming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
T C can get Fucked
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 07:57:13 PM
If it is true that we were prepared to offer such an average player as Cleverley 60k a week, and we end up signing no one today, then that will be a farce.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 07:57:15 PM
R5L have just talked up TC23 - intelligent and dynamic player, according to the pundits.
Given that Palace have paid £7m for McArthur, the fee is acceptable it's all about the wages, I guess.
I think he and Delph either side of Westwood and / Sanchez looks good to me.


PS - Delph and one or two others would need to be on parity, wages-wise.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2014, 07:57:48 PM
Natalie has arrived 😈
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 07:57:58 PM
He would appear to have a bit of an ego.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
My ITK tells me our two stellar signings are being kept under wraps so that they can be photographed with our new owners in the morning.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Dead in the water


To weaken the squad by letting players go before replacing is fucking moronic by Lambert. Canales was clearly a non starter, why on Earth did they go for such unrealistic targets?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2014, 08:00:33 PM
With the caveat that it might not be true...

If the issue with TC is him trying to move us up from £60k a week he can fuck off. For 80k pw you can get a player that isn't a gamble.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Personally i'd have kept KEA until we had a deal or two done. It does leave us a little short in the middle unless we do a late deal for someone like Palacios with someone like Sinclair coming in as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:01:13 PM
Tom Cleverley is the worst idea since Stephen Ireland.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
My ITK tells me our two stellar signings are being kept under wraps so that they can be photographed with our new owners in the morning.

Wrap up warm!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Dead in the water


To weaken the squad by letting players go before replacing is fucking moronic by Lambert. Canales was clearly a non starter, why on Earth did they go for such unrealistic targets?

To make it appear as if they were trying to spend, when in truth they were never going to.

Is what I'd think if I was cynical.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
He is not worth £60K a week but is Tooney worth £300K a week? A stupid world this is.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 07:26:08 PM
We need another body in midfield

I think we're fine in terms of numbers. Sanchez, Delph, Westwood, Richardson, Joe Cole and in an injury crisis Herd and Clark have experience of the holding position.

Canales would've been an exciting option though and I'd like to think we can find a decent wide player on loan at the 11th hour but not hopeful now I have to admit.

Not much creativity there
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
Told you earlier in my TC23, he's a money grabbing little shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.
An outright purchase yes. Not a fan of loans.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
My ITK tells me our two stellar signings are being kept under wraps so that they can be photographed with our new owners in the morning.
Pass the Dutchie  from the left hand side!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.
An outright purchase yes. Not a fan of loans.

Why? Everyone else is doing it. We should take advantage of the system that exists.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Dead in the water


To weaken the squad by letting players go before replacing is fucking moronic by Lambert. Canales was clearly a non starter, why on Earth did they go for such unrealistic targets?

To make it appear as if they were trying to spend, when in truth they were never going to.

Is what I'd think if I was cynical.
You drama queens!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.
Not for me.
His attitude stinks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Personally i'd have kept KEA until we had a deal or two done.

I agree.

He was at least an option, now that option isn't there, and neither is Gardner (who Lambert was talking up recently).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
Yanited want rid of him to ensure they get a fee.  Why dont they pay the extra £20k for a year (this is a poor attempt at humour).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
I'd be happy if manure get stuck with him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.
Yep, he'd be a good addition, especially with Zog still finding his fitness levels.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Personally i'd have kept KEA until we had a deal or two done.

I agree.

He was at least an option, now that option isn't there, and neither is Gardner (who Lambert was talking up recently).

It's what you do.  Give someone who never plays through injury a new two year contract, then send him out on loan again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Dead in the water


To weaken the squad by letting players go before replacing is fucking moronic by Lambert. Canales was clearly a non starter, why on Earth did they go for such unrealistic targets?

To make it appear as if they were trying to spend, when in truth they were never going to.

Is what I'd think if I was cynical.
You drama queens!

If I was cynical.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: Toronto La Roca on September 01, 2014, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.
An outright purchase yes. Not a fan of loans.

Why? Everyone else is doing it. We should take advantage of the system that exists.
Don't disagree just saying prefer outright deals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
Is the Canales one dead then?
Dead in the water


To weaken the squad by letting players go before replacing is fucking moronic by Lambert. Canales was clearly a non starter, why on Earth did they go for such unrealistic targets?

Transfer window. Some leave, some arrive. Some are bid for, some are not. We have 7 new players. It would be nice to have more. They don't have to join us. We don't have to keep others.
Struggling to understand moronic in this context.
Which bit is difficult to understand?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Jim White is only famous BECAUSE HE SHOUTS KNOWN FACTS and mentions Man United every 20 seconds. Say Falcao and repeat for three hours LOUDLY!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on September 01, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
@bigjonesyy: Sky Sources: Everton in talks with Aston Villa over potential signing of Gabriel Agbonlahor. more on #SSN #EFC #AVFC
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
I'd be happy if manure get stuck with him

It wouldn't matter to them though. If they can afford the likes of Falcao and Di Maria, then Cleverley picking up his money for another few months won't bother them that much.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on September 01, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
@bigjonesyy: Sky Sources: Everton in talks with Aston Villa over potential signing of Gabriel Agbonlahor. more on #SSN #EFC #AVFC

I'm going to stick my neck out, and call that bollocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Jim White is only famous BECAUSE HE SHOUTS KNOWN FACTS and mentions Man United every 20 seconds. Say Falcao and repeat for three hours LOUDLY!!

I don't like the way watching SSN makes me feel at the best of times, but watching it when that loudmouthed brainless gobshite is on, with the accompanying desperate attempts of the channel to build a cult of personality around him on deadline day, makes me feel soiled.

I have never used the services of a prostitute, but the feeling I get after watching hours of SSN on deadline day is the feeling I imagine men get after doing that.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:10:42 PM
Andre Ayew talking to us, QPR and Swansea apparently.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.

I just don't get this admiration for Sinclair.  Is this the same Sinclair that spent a year at the Albion and hardly played.  He was good when he went to Man City but that was when his career was put on hold.  He has done nothing for 2 years and nothing to say he can get back on track.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:11:11 PM
Jim White strikes me as a real arse hole too, the type to walk round the building giving it the billy big bollocks.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.

No we don't, they're both out on loan and Grealish is not a centre midfielder.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 08:12:21 PM
Change of subject

Just reading ade Edmondson today in paper

They asked why did you stop supporting Chelsea and give up your season ticket?

I was paying a lot of money to watch them and it was just a load of rich Bastar*s cheating , I'm not going to put up with that .


Good man.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:12:22 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I would happily take Sinclair, he would be a good addition.

I just don't get this admiration for Sinclair.  Is this the same Sinclair that spent a year at the Albion and hardly played.  He was good when he went to Man City but that was when his career was put on hold.  He has done nothing for 2 years and nothing to say he can get back on track.

I saw someone on twitter earlier say Sinclair was linked with Stoke and that would be the perfect club for him, halfway between the Bull Ring and the Trafford Centre.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Chris Smith on September 01, 2014, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Personally i'd have kept KEA until we had a deal or two done.

I agree.

He was at least an option, now that option isn't there, and neither is Gardner (who Lambert was talking up recently).

We have already signed Sanchez, Richardson and Cole. We have Nzogbia back to fitness and now Grealish pushing for inclusion, it would have taken a lot for KEA to even get on the bench regardless of who else we sign.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2014, 08:12:55 PM
Can Gardner not be recalled early from his loan?

Clark and Herd can still play DM if we get an injury crisis. Yeah I know they're rubbish but they both have played PL games in that position so I don't think we're that depleted in that areas as people are claiming.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.

No we don't, they're both out on loan and Grealish is not a centre midfielder.
Or big. ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:11:11 PM
Jim White strikes me as a real arse hole too, the type to walk round the building giving it the billy big bollocks.

You imagine him to have been good mates with the likes is Keyes and Gray while they were at Sky, happily slapping every arse and squeezing every boob.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.

No we don't, they're both out on loan and Grealish is not a centre midfielder.

Yeah but apart from that
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.

No we don't, they're both out on loan and Grealish is not a centre midfielder.
Look up "recall" in the dictionary ;-)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
Kate Abdo is a fine filly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Jim White is only famous BECAUSE HE SHOUTS KNOWN FACTS and mentions Man United every 20 seconds. Say Falcao and repeat for three hours LOUDLY!!

I don't like the way watching SSN makes me feel at the best of times, but watching it when that loudmouthed brainless gobshite is on, with the accompanying desperate attempts of the channel to build a cult of personality around him on deadline day, makes me feel soiled.

I have never used the services of a prostitute, but the feeling I get after watching hours of SSN on deadline day is the feeling I imagine men get after doing that.



I feel the same watching Kirsty Gallagher, she strikes me as the female Jim White now.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 08:14:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Jim White is only famous BECAUSE HE SHOUTS KNOWN FACTS and mentions Man United every 20 seconds. Say Falcao and repeat for three hours LOUDLY!!

I don't like the way watching SSN makes me feel at the best of times, but watching it when that loudmouthed brainless gobshite is on, with the accompanying desperate attempts of the channel to build a cult of personality around him on deadline day, makes me feel soiled.

I have never used the services of a prostitute, but the feeling I get after watching hours of SSN on deadline day is the feeling I imagine men get after doing that.

Go to R5 live then. Good, interesting  and sometimes amusing discussion. Even Phil Neville
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.

No we don't, they're both out on loan and Grealish is not a centre midfielder.

Yeah but apart from that
He's nit picking as usual.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on September 01, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
@bigjonesyy: Sky Sources: Everton in talks with Aston Villa over potential signing of Gabriel Agbonlahor. more on #SSN #EFC #AVFC

I'm going to stick my neck out, and call that bollocks.

I'd call it a giraffe impression
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...

The counter argument is that most of them did the job required of them for very little outlay.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:15:58 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on September 01, 2014, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Personally i'd have kept KEA until we had a deal or two done.

I agree.

He was at least an option, now that option isn't there, and neither is Gardner (who Lambert was talking up recently).

We have already signed Sanchez, Richardson and Cole. We have Nzogbia back to fitness and now Grealish pushing for inclusion, it would have taken a lot for KEA to even get on the bench regardless of who else we sign.

Point taken but eventually injuries may crop up and knowing the way Sanchez and Delph play, they'll pick up bookings eventually. It might not matter but we'll have to see.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Kea going is no loss at all.
We have Gardner and Johnson both as back up, both better players plus Grealish is now big in the game.

No we don't, they're both out on loan and Grealish is not a centre midfielder.

Yeah but apart from that
He's nit picking as usual.

No i'm not, i'm having an opinion. It's a forum, i'm allowed one.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:18:16 PM
To be fair I've been watching SSN for a while now before I go out,
And have found far more interesting things to look at than fucking jim white
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:18:46 PM
Posted on newsnow as late as 18.37.

Arsenal Ready £12m Bid For Vlaar Fresh Arsenal (Weblog) 18:37
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Jim White is only famous BECAUSE HE SHOUTS KNOWN FACTS and mentions Man United every 20 seconds. Say Falcao and repeat for three hours LOUDLY!!

I don't like the way watching SSN makes me feel at the best of times, but watching it when that loudmouthed brainless gobshite is on, with the accompanying desperate attempts of the channel to build a cult of personality around him on deadline day, makes me feel soiled.

I have never used the services of a prostitute, but the feeling I get after watching hours of SSN on deadline day is the feeling I imagine men get after doing that.



An interesting analogy.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
@AVFCOfficial: Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...

The counter argument is that most of them did the job required of them for very little outlay.

Hardly, that little crew almost got us relegated two seasons on the bounce...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2014, 08:19:41 PM
I've never known bigjonesyy to be wrong before...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2014, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...

The counter argument is that most of them did the job required of them for very little outlay.

And only 2 of those players are no longer owned by us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
@AVFCOfficial: Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC

I just see some guff about hospitality packages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
The orange and yellow really doesn't go does it...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: Dave P on September 01, 2014, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...

The counter argument is that most of them did the job required of them for very little outlay.

And only 2 of those players are no longer owned by us.

How many will play for us again? One at a push...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:21:33 PM
Just to put our current outlay into context.

The total spend this summer in the PL is now £801m.

We have spent £7m.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
And?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 08:23:10 PM
With regard to that Spanish lad, wasn't there a rule saying you couldn't play for 3 different clubs in one year, or did I imagine that?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
@AVFCOfficial: Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC

I just see some guff about hospitality packages.

And me, this is not the time for wind ups
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
With the new TV deal, you would have thought £15m or so would have been the minimum.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
And?

Just sayin like.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:24:50 PM
I'm surprised we've spent as much as we have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
And?


We are no Viv Nicholson
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:18:46 PM
Posted on newsnow as late as 18.37.

Arsenal Ready £12m Bid For Vlaar Fresh Arsenal (Weblog) 18:37

They need to concentrate on Welbeck deal that's falling apart.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
There is some 'stickiness' with Jermaine Defoe apparently, the mind boggles.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
And?

Just sayin like.

And quite rightly so, yet they wonder why attendances are down! Even a Sinclair type signing now wouldn't raise the interest levels that high.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
With the new TV deal, you would have thought £15m or so would have been the minimum.

Well, with the bids for Cleverley and Canales, that figure appears to be exactly what we're going for.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 08:28:28 PM
Was that an Everton branded dildo being waved in the SSN reporters ear....?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
Viv "Spend Spend Spend" Nicholson only had £250,000 to start with and her husband blued most of that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
Bloke at Everton saying they are going to the wire to get Cleverley deal done.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
There is some 'stickiness' with Jermaine Defoe apparently, the mind boggles.

are we talking chocolate again?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: john e on September 01, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
@AVFCOfficial: Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC

I just see some guff about hospitality packages.

And me, this is not the time for wind ups

That tweet is 537 days old....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
Surely when they sounded out Cleverley's agent, there might have been an inclination that his wage demands were going to be way too high?

It's not so much going for an unrealistic target, but spending a ridiculous amount of time on an unrealistic target.

The way it stands, we are going to have to be extremely fortunate with injuries this season
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on September 01, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
Viv "Spend Spend Spend" Nicholson only had £250,000 to start with and her husband blued most of that.

She won again didn't she?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: walsall villain on September 01, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
Surely when they sounded out Cleverley's agent, there might have been an inclination that his wage demands were going to be way too high?

It's not so much going for an unrealistic target, but spending a ridiculous amount of time on an unrealistic target.

The way it stands, we are going to have to be extremely fortunate with injuries this season
Well at least until the January window
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
Her biggest windfall was the West End show royalties.   
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2014, 08:35:08 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on September 01, 2014, 08:29:47 PM
I would rather be in our situation than the out-of-control money hose of chaos that is Manchester United FC, who are spewing out tens of millions on mercenaries and with no plan nor structure nor Champions League revenue.

There are clubs which stoke the fires of Transfer Window in the worst way, and MUFC are legendary in this respect for the final night. Like 'Arry.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:11:11 PM
Jim White strikes me as a real arse hole too, the type to walk round the building giving it the billy big bollocks.

I am guessing here but he wreaks of arrogant Rangers fan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on September 01, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
Surely when they sounded out Cleverley's agent, there might have been an inclination that his wage demands were going to be way too high?

It's not so much going for an unrealistic target, but spending a ridiculous amount of time on an unrealistic target.

The way it stands, we are going to have to be extremely fortunate with injuries this season
Well at least until the January window

I don't think its anything to do with wage, it does seem this 1 year loan and then signing as a free is the way he wants it. I don't blame him. Pot of gold for him.
Not any evidence its done yet anyway is there? Or am I behind?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Don't forget Hutton, Given, Bent and Okore if he ever gets fit.

I've actually been quite impressed by Bent getting on the end of a few passes. Granted I wasn't a fan and thought even this was beyond him nowadays. But, y'know, decent sub.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We've basically got rid of all the players PL has bought over the last two seasons....

Steer
Luna
Bennett
Lowton
El Ahmadi
Helenius
Tonev
Bowery

I doubt a turnover like that has happened so quickly under the same manager...

The counter argument is that most of them did the job required of them for very little outlay.

Hardly, that little crew almost got us relegated two seasons on the bounce...

All that little crew was required to do was keep us up two seasons on the bounce.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:37:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.

As things currently stand, that's an excellent post.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

I'm pretty happy with it, all things considered. More would be nice though
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
It is a million miles from perfect but I would sooner be where we are now than in the last days of MON when the chickens of stupid, reckless, wanton spending had yet to come home to roost.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2014, 08:38:41 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?

No
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 08:38:46 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?
No/no/no


Probably
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?

Some bloke called Iniesta.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.

Agree with you 100%.  I do not expect Lerner to invest more money but we should have been spending the equivalent to break even against projected income.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.


Spot on. Lambert has done well with the 7m but we have done the very bare minimum to be competitive in the bottom 7, nothing more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Mind you, the ITK King has spoken

Harj Johal ‏@harj04  6m
Even with less than 3 hours left #AVFC still remain hopeful of beating other clubs to the signing of Tom Cleverley before window closes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on September 01, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?

Some bloke called Iniesta.

there is talk about bottoms and chocolate bars as well
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
seconds later

John Percy ‏@John__Percy  2m
#avfc will not be signing Tom Cleverley from #mufc. Cleverley holding out for a move to Everton. No other business expected at Villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
If we'd bought Sanchez 10 mins ago we'd probably be pretty happy with the window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on September 01, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?

Some bloke called Iniesta.

Meh. He's no Westwood.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
I've been drinking heavily. Can somebody summarise for me briefly whether we are likely to buy/sell/loan anybody?

Agbonlahor to Everton
Vlaar to Arsenal
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2014, 08:43:16 PM
Still no attacking midfielder purchased, nearly 3 years we've been banging on about needing one. At least the defensive mid has been sorted at long last.

They've done what I expected, the bare minimum required to make us competitive, and this is how it will be until Lerner finds a buyer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: themossman on September 01, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
If we'd bought Sanchez 10 mins ago we'd probably be pretty happy with the window.

Good point
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 08:43:41 PM
The need for a creative option would still have been there though.


I would have happily taken a punt on Ben Arfa who seems to be going to Hull. They have had a good day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: rob_bridge on September 01, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.

Agree with you 100%.  I do not expect Lerner to invest more money but we should have been spending the equivalent to break even against projected income.

He's a long way from breaking even based  on previous wage splurges.

Ckeverly's agent wants 80k a week. No Thanks. Total cost 25m over next 4 years in transfer and insuramce.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.

Why rewind to the end of the season? We know more now. We didn't think Hutton would play for us again, or so well. We thought Senderos and Cissoko were shit - we are at least re-evaluating that now.

And you missed out our biggest signing. I'm not really optimistic about the season yet, but I'm not in despair like I have been at various points over the last four seasons. Plenty of time for that yet.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 08:48:12 PM
My initial reaction was I thought Cleverley would be a decent signing, perhaps a solid fixture in our team for years to come.

I'm starting to think, however, he's a poor player, a wanker and glad he's not here*


*subject to change
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on September 01, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Why the obsession with amount of money? We effectively have 7 new players in. Senderos, Sanchez, Cissokho, Richardson, Cole and return of N'Zogbia and emergence of Grealish.  Yes one more midfielder would be nice but let's rebuild with consideration. Less haste more speed.

Love the packaging of Grealish and N'Zogbia as "new players in".

Put it this way. Rewind to the last day of last season. Imagine we'd been told "By end of window, total spend about £6m, players signed Joe Cole, Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho. Is that enough?"

How many of us would have said "yes"?

It is good that we've gone three games unbeaten and look better at the back, but it is three games, that is nothing. What's more, we also got beaten at home by a league one club in the cup yet again, and over the three league games have struggled to create goal scoring chances.

Have we done enough to address that problem (which we have had for ages)?

I don't think we have.

The start to the season is encouraging, but it lasts a long time. This time last year we were full of confidence after winning at Arsenal and getting robbed of three points at Chelsea.

It looks to me like our ambition doesn't really go much beyond staying up. I am sure we'd *like* to do better, if that's how you define ambition, but it really looks like we are not prepared to spend much money at all to achieve that ambition.

Given the amount of money in the game these days, that is a pathetically low spend.

Agree with you 100%.  I do not expect Lerner to invest more money but we should have been spending the equivalent to break even against projected income.

He's a long way from breaking even based  on previous wage splurges.

Ckeverly's agent wants 80k a week. No Thanks. Total cost 25m over next 4 years in transfer and insuramce.

Break even for this season.

In our position, there is no way that we should consider paying any player anywhere near £80k a week.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
And you missed out our biggest signing. I'm not really optimistic about the season yet, but I'm not in despair like I have been at various points over the last four seasons. Plenty of time for that yet.

An oversight, but still, it doesn't change much.

I take your point about Hutton but, again, does it really make that much difference? I don't think so.

I am not in despair either. I am just disappointed we are so unambitious. We're doing just enough to survive and nothing more.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
seconds later

John Percy ‏@John__Percy  2m
#avfc will not be signing Tom Cleverley from #mufc. Cleverley holding out for a move to Everton. No other business expected at Villa
What I don't get is how Everton can afford the quoted wage expectations.
Shame there is no plan C ... but then we do not do that on the pitch, do they?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
Is this Transfer Deadline day or Falcao day? Getting sick of Sky banging on about it at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
We're better off spending what we've got in January, when we're top.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
That's a poor end to the window for Villa. I wasn't expecting a score of players but it's obvious to the most simple of folk that we don't have the squad depth to settle for what we have.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
seconds later

John Percy ‏@John__Percy  2m
#avfc will not be signing Tom Cleverley from #mufc. Cleverley holding out for a move to Everton. No other business expected at Villa
What I don't get is how Everton can afford the quoted wage expectations.
Shame there is no plan C ... but then we do not do that on the pitch, do they?

If Everton pay him anything like that, they're nuts.

Where, though, is our Plan B? Canales contacted on deadline day? He says he doesn't want to leave Spain. Surely we could have sounded him out about that weeks ago, if his objection was on such a fundamental issue?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
Is this Transfer Deadline day or Falcao day? Getting sick of Sky banging on about it at every opportunity.
Much better not to watch. I've allowed the kids to stay up, we now have Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom. All four are tranced out, even the two older ones!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
Is this Transfer Deadline day or Falcao day? Getting sick of Sky banging on about it at every opportunity.

Because there's not much else to talk about, I reckon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2014, 08:54:14 PM
In a world where £13m will grant you the privilege of owning Fabio Borini and whatever it is that he does, I think our business has been very good.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Villa have officially walked away from the Cleverley deal due to wages.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
Is this Transfer Deadline day or Falcao day? Getting sick of Sky banging on about it at every opportunity.

Because there's not much else to talk about, I reckon.

Probably right. Sky are never going to admit that its been a quiet one and they're a bit disappointed with how its turned out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pav on September 01, 2014, 08:56:12 PM
Turn the lights off,  night all
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 08:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
Is this Transfer Deadline day or Falcao day? Getting sick of Sky banging on about it at every opportunity.
Much better not to watch. I've allowed the kids to stay up, we now have Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom. All four are tranced out, even the two older ones!

That's what we're watching.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
seconds later

John Percy ‏@John__Percy  2m
#avfc will not be signing Tom Cleverley from #mufc. Cleverley holding out for a move to Everton. No other business expected at Villa
What I don't get is how Everton can afford the quoted wage expectations.
Shame there is no plan C ... but then we do not do that on the pitch, do they?

If Everton pay him anything like that, they're nuts.

Where, though, is our Plan B? Canales contacted on deadline day? He says he doesn't want to leave Spain. Surely we could have sounded him out about that weeks ago, if his objection was on such a fundamental issue?


I'd be surprised if we only tried to buy Canales today. Lambert said last week that he was hopeful of one or two more in.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 01, 2014, 08:57:21 PM
Lock the thread nothing to see here
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
We're better off spending what we've got in January, when we're top.

This. The putpose of the marque signing should be to consolidate our ten-point lead and allow us to rest players for the cup semi-final
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2014, 08:58:00 PM
With the comings an goings (and using the players we had in the bomb squad) we are a more solid and experienced unit than last season, it should see us alright to finish the season without the thought of being relegated... that in itself is a pretty sad thought...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Villa have officially walked away from the Cleverley deal due to wages.
If we have I can't blame us. He was a very good player and he might recapture that form and become a great player again. Surley after the last few years he's in no place to demand a huge salary. If he has, maybe we're better off going for players who want to play for us an for themselves.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Villa have officially walked away from the Cleverley deal due to wages.

Good. No better than we have IMHO.

The TC23 myth can go elsewhere
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Mind you, the ITK King has spoken

Harj Johal ‏@harj04  6m
Even with less than 3 hours left #AVFC still remain hopeful of beating other clubs to the signing of Tom Cleverley before window closes.

Bang on time when Villa announce officially pulling out of the deal!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: johnny from donny on September 01, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
Everyone at bodymoor heath may as well go home. Nothing to see, last one out turn the lights off to save electricity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Villa have officially walked away from the Cleverley deal due to wages.
If we have I can't blame us. He was a very good player and he might recapture that form and become a great player again. Surley after the last few years he's in no place to demand a huge salary. If he has, maybe we're better off going for players who want to play for us an for themselves.

"Young and hungry" players you mean.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 01, 2014, 09:01:08 PM
I can understand why we would pull out over wage demands, but we are still short on numbers and quality, and even in the times of tightening our belts, im still surprised at how little we have spent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 01, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Villa have officially walked away from the Cleverley deal due to wages.
If we have I can't blame us. He was a very good player and he might recapture that form and become a great player again. Surley after the last few years he's in no place to demand a huge salary. If he has, maybe we're better off going for players who want to play for us an for themselves.

"Young and hungry" players you mean.
Ha ha!!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
So disappointing. We are massively light in midfield and attacking options.
When over £800m has been spent and we've spent £7m, it's hard not to be pretty pissed.
This YouTube sums it all up for me!!
http://youtu.be/3DlZdZYLCfU
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2014, 08:54:14 PM
In a world where £13m will grant you the privilege of owning Fabio Borini and whatever it is that he does, I think our business has been very good.

Agreed, and in particular about Borini, who I'm adamant is Gary Penrice minus a moustache.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 09:02:06 PM
perhaps we will see a new Delph in the coming weeks anyway. Could be a real blessing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 09:02:25 PM
SVC reckons that Wellbeck is currently on £105k a week, utter madness if true.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 09:02:25 PM
SVC reckons that Wellbeck is currently on £105k a week, utter madness if true.

not when rooney is on 300k!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2014, 09:04:40 PM
Don't call me Surley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
I can't quite believe though I actually want us to tie a contract up with Hutton. If he keeps up the good work I wonder if he'll take a pay cut and stay on?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
I'd rather we spent £7 million improving the pies at Villa Park than on that donkey Cleverley. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 09:05:59 PM
Let's not get too disappointed about the day. There's still time for the Falcao deal to fall apart.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2014, 09:06:42 PM
I'd imagine the two things are somewhat linked.  Once Man U lost control of the pay of their highest earners it was inevitable that others, even the lesser players would want some sort of parity.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
I'd rather we spent £7 million improving the pies at Villa Park than on that donkey Cleverley. Good riddance.
Are they no good? It's been a long while for me since I sample a pie on the terrace.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: CAitken on September 01, 2014, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 09:02:25 PM
SVC reckons that Wellbeck is currently on £105k a week, utter madness if true.

not when rooney is on 300k!

You're looking at it the wrong way round. £105K a week is utter madness, £300k is obscene.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
I can't quite believe though I actually want us to tie a contract up with Hutton. If he keeps up the good work I wonder if he'll take a pay cut and stay on?

People were using the 'Hutton is like a new signing' argument.  And based on our net spend this summer, with no prospect of a new owner on the immediate horizon, we are likely to continue to have this type of spending policy.  On that basis, tieing him up on a new deal is needed.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 09:09:19 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
I'd rather we spent £7 million improving the pies at Villa Park than on that donkey Cleverley. Good riddance.

me too. I've always said Cleverley was crap, always.

Can we stop spelling his name correctly now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 01, 2014, 09:09:30 PM
Collymore just spoke to someone at the club, we are done and dusted for the window.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 09:10:22 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
I can't quite believe though I actually want us to tie a contract up with Hutton. If he keeps up the good work I wonder if he'll take a pay cut and stay on?

People were using the 'Hutton is like a new signing' argument.  And based on our net spend this summer, with no prospect of a new owner on the immediate horizon, we are likely to continue to have this type of spending policy.  On that basis, tieing him up on a new deal is needed.
I agree and on his form I would like him to stay, I just can't see him being offered the same sort of deal he is already on. He's one of the big earners isn't he?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 09:10:34 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
I'd rather we spent £7 million improving the pies at Villa Park than on that donkey Cleverley. Good riddance.
Are they no good? It's been a long while for me since I sample a pie on the terrace.

They're quite decent apparently. We've been voted second best in the league, but imagine... how good could they be for £7 million? We could get Michelin stars. Far better value than Tom "shit at football" Cleverley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: phantom limb on September 01, 2014, 09:11:22 PM
I don't rate Cleverley and if he doesn't want to play for us then I'm glad we're not signing him. It has the smell of Stephen Ireland part 2.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
Fully agree that is what we should do.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
Ben Arfa going to Hull on loan. Yes F in Hull

I would have taken a punt on him. Just what we need

Rumoured to have an attitude problem but one look from Roy would have sorted that out
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
Well a couple more new faces would have been nice but a good window all in all.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Not the end of the world if we don't get anyone in. Be nice to have got canales or someone like him but we have Cole and grealish and the chance to buy again in Jan. If things don't work out with your first choices no point sig img someone for the sake of it. Think we as fans are victims of marketing by sky. Being perceived to have had a good deadline day doesn't actually mean anything  on the pitch. For example.please hull fans will be happy now but they had to do what they did as they sold their first choice striker earlier in the summer and you never know if a new signing will work put.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2014, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
Fully agree that is what we should do.
Certainly some of them, but a new deal for Bent?

I'm not sure that should be high up the list of priorities.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 09:10:34 PM
Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2014, 09:05:44 PM
I'd rather we spent £7 million improving the pies at Villa Park than on that donkey Cleverley. Good riddance.
Are they no good? It's been a long while for me since I sample a pie on the terrace.

They're quite decent apparently. We've been voted second best in the league, but imagine... how good could they be for £7 million? We could get Michelin stars. Far better value than Tom "shit at football" Cleverley.
Well I might just plan a trip to the Midlands this season then. Marquis pies, a bit of football and a decent pint of bitter.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
Fully agree that is what we should do.

Except Bent. Happy to let him go. He kept us up three years ago and that alone was worth the fee
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
Well, I'd have happily signed him but I'm glad we haven't let him hold us to ransom. Good luck, you mediocre c*nt.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 01, 2014, 09:14:27 PM
You're right Ryu, not doing business today doesn't mean its been a bad window. Just worried about our lack of creativity in the team, especially for home games.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Not the end of the world if we don't get anyone in. Be nice to have got canales or someone like him but we have Cole and grealish and the chance to buy again in Jan. If things don't work out with your first choices no point sig img someone for the sake of it. Think we as fans are victims of marketing by sky. Being perceived to have had a good deadline day doesn't actually mean anything  on the pitch. For example.please hull fans will be happy now but they had to do what they did as they sold their first choice striker earlier in the summer and you never know if a new signing will work put.

No, we're victims of poor decision making by the board and manager for the last few years, and despite the promising start the squad still isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
This is more brilliance from Barney Ronay and an especially good read if people are fed up with the transfer window:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/22/transfer-window-scepticism-sami-khedira
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Not the end of the world if we don't get anyone in. Be nice to have got canales or someone like him but we have Cole and grealish and the chance to buy again in Jan. If things don't work out with your first choices no point sig img someone for the sake of it. Think we as fans are victims of marketing by sky. Being perceived to have had a good deadline day doesn't actually mean anything  on the pitch. For example.please hull fans will be happy now but they had to do what they did as they sold their first choice striker earlier in the summer and you never know if a new signing will work put.

No, we're victims of poor decision making by the board and manager for the last few years, and despite the promising start the squad still isn't good enough.

I don't want to be here if Vlaar leaves this evening
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
Also, spare a thought for eastie, watching SSN with his softening cock in his hand
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Welbeck at 16m is better value than greedy Cleverly.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:19:58 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
Well, I'd have happily signed him but I'm glad we haven't let him hold us to ransom. Good luck, you mediocre c*nt.

This is my opinion too. He's not a player you would ever pay a premium for, and it looked like we were already willing to pay over the odds because he's an England international. So f*** him, frankly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 01, 2014, 09:20:09 PM
Not while Jim White is on the screen it won't Damon.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
We are a few key injuries away from a crisis again. Was the same at close of last Jan's transfer windows and look at what happened. Better hope that the injury fairy is kinder to us than it has been over the last few seasons.  There is no doubt that we are a stronger outfit this season than we were at the start of last season. We've held onto Vlaar and he seems to forming a good partnership with Senderose. Benteke and Kozac to come back. We haven't seen Joe Cole yet. So it bodes well for the few months ahead....... baring injuries of course. Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: bobdylan on September 01, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
Fully agree that is what we should do.

Except Bent. Happy to let him go. He kept us up three years ago and that alone was worth the fee

Quite Gabby and N'Zogbia also in the same boat, I think once these 3 go at the end of the season and we free up some £180k per week in wages we may see an exciting attacking signing or 2.  I'd sign the other 4 up sharpish though.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 09:21:33 PM
When Delph and Sanchez are both banned due to their yellow card count, we can always rely on Clark in the centre of midfield alongside the baulk of Joe Cole and Ashley!!!  We have strengthened the defence but still have zero creativity in midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Oh great. Steve Parish is on the radio. Again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Richard E on September 01, 2014, 09:22:29 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
Also, spare a thought for eastie, watching SSN with his softening cock in his hand

Thanks for that mental image!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Bit disappointed to be honest. Still I agree we can't overpay wages for players like Cleverley, he should have been delighted to sign for us and get his career back on track. If he prefers to rot in ManU's reserves for a year then more fool him.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:22:58 PM
Peaked a bit early with the beers, onto the creme de menthe now .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 01, 2014, 09:21:33 PM
When Delph and Sanchez are both banned due to their yellow card count, we can always rely on Clark in the centre of midfield alongside the baulk of Joe Cole and Ashley!!! 

That's why i would have kept hold of KEA until any deal had gone though. We could have always sold him in January.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Richard E on September 01, 2014, 09:22:29 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
Also, spare a thought for eastie, watching SSN with his softening cock in his hand

Thanks for that mental image!

if you want another one, search what Ads said earlier!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: ev on September 01, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Oh great. Steve Parish is on the radio. Again.

Simon jordan look a like with marginally better hair
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
So we can take it that we won't be getting anyone in now?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
Good deals for Hull would've taken Gaston Ramirez,Ben Arfa or Hernandez. Think Guidetti who went to Celtic would do job for us. Oh well, I'm not sure why I'm disappointed this is Villa all over.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Not the end of the world if we don't get anyone in. Be nice to have got canales or someone like him but we have Cole and grealish and the chance to buy again in Jan. If things don't work out with your first choices no point sig img someone for the sake of it. Think we as fans are victims of marketing by sky. Being perceived to have had a good deadline day doesn't actually mean anything  on the pitch. For example.please hull fans will be happy now but they had to do what they did as they sold their first choice striker earlier in the summer and you never know if a new signing will work put.

No, we're victims of poor decision making by the board and manager for the last few years, and despite the promising start the squad still isn't good enough.

Good enough for what?  We're better that last season and probably to stay up. It's a bit depressin that's our only aim but we've known that for ages and today doesn't change it. That's why I say we're victims of marketing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: ev on September 01, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Oh great. Steve Parish is on the radio. Again.

Simon jordan look a like with marginally better hair

Crystal Palace seem to have had hundreds of local boy done good gobshites with shit 1980s haircuts as chairman in recent years.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on September 01, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
If people are throwing Hutton and Bent into the mix then we need to look at the bigger picture.

Hutton - last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Bent - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Delph - in last year of contract.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.
Grealish - in last year of contract.  Think we may have to get a fee if he goes because of his age but even so.
Vlaar - in last year of contracts.  Can negotiate with other clubs in January.

I think as an urgent priority the wages saved on Cleverley should be used to tie this little lot up.
Fully agree that is what we should do.

Except Bent. Happy to let him go. He kept us up three years ago and that alone was worth the fee

Quite Gabby and N'Zogbia also in the same boat, I think once these 3 go at the end of the season and we free up some £180k per week in wages we may see an exciting attacking signing or 2.  I'd sign the other 4 up sharpish though.

Forgot about those two.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
So we can take it that we won't be getting anyone in now?

Yes according to SVC and Pat Murphy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
Good deals for Hull would've taken Gaston Ramirez,Ben Arfa or Hernandez. Think Guidetti who went to Celtic would do job for us. Oh well, I'm not sure why I'm disappointed this is Villa all over.

Ben Arfa is a bit of a lard arse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
We are a few key injuries away from a crisis again. Was the same at close of last Jan's transfer windows and look at what happened. Better hope that the injury fairy is kinder to us than it has been over the last few seasons.  There is no doubt that we are a stronger outfit this season than we were at the start of last season. We've held onto Vlaar and he seems to forming a good partnership with Senderose. Benteke and Kozac to come back. We haven't seen Joe Cole yet. So it bodes well for the few months ahead....... baring injuries of course. Up the Villa!
Senderos
Kozak
barring

Must try harder, Mr Rabbit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: ev on September 01, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Oh great. Steve Parish is on the radio. Again.

Simon jordan look a like with marginally better hair

He looks like a married Anglican priest who is living a lie
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Not the end of the world if we don't get anyone in. Be nice to have got canales or someone like him but we have Cole and grealish and the chance to buy again in Jan. If things don't work out with your first choices no point sig img someone for the sake of it. Think we as fans are victims of marketing by sky. Being perceived to have had a good deadline day doesn't actually mean anything  on the pitch. For example.please hull fans will be happy now but they had to do what they did as they sold their first choice striker earlier in the summer and you never know if a new signing will work put.

No, we're victims of poor decision making by the board and manager for the last few years, and despite the promising start the squad still isn't good enough.

Good enough for what?  We're better that last season and probably to stay up. It's a bit depressin that's our only aim but we've known that for ages and today doesn't change it. That's why I say we're victims of marketing.

I know what you are trying to say but isn't "you never know if a signing will work out" the weakest of arguments for signing hardly anyone?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Virgil Caine on September 01, 2014, 09:29:54 PM
Looking forward I hope we will have scouts watching Watfords Forestiere, highly thought of and Carbonesque in his style of play, I would also like us to look at Brady at Hull whose place might be under threat now- I thought he made the difference to Hull when he came on.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe it is but we signed quite a few players.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2014, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
Good deals for Hull would've taken Gaston Ramirez,Ben Arfa or Hernandez. Think Guidetti who went to Celtic would do job for us. Oh well, I'm not sure why I'm disappointed this is Villa all over.

Ben Arfa is a bit of a lard arse.

Just wonder whether Pardew has treated him badly and a bit of man love from Roy might have been enough to get the best out of him.

On loan would have been a good deal for us
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: My left Foot on September 01, 2014, 09:29:54 PM
Looking forward I hope we will have scouts watching Watfords Forestiere, highly thought of and Carbonesque in his style of play, I would also like us to look at Brady at Hull whose place might be under threat now- I thought he made the difference to Hull when he came on.

My mistake.......
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:33:18 PM
The one thing about today I am really happy about is not signing cleverley but 7 million is a poor outlay to be  fair.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
Good deals for Hull would've taken Gaston Ramirez,Ben Arfa or Hernandez. Think Guidetti who went to Celtic would do job for us. Oh well, I'm not sure why I'm disappointed this is Villa all over.

Guidetti. The very definition of a busted flush. File with Cornelius, A.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe it is but we signed quite a few players.

Not really. We've signed five players for relative peanuts. It's hardly the stuff of dreams.

Like you said, we are about staying up and nothing more these days. That's pretty depressing stuff. The fact we've all suspected it for a while doesn't really make it any more acceptable.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
This transfer day on sky is so much spin and bs
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:33:18 PM
The one thing about today I am really happy about is not signing cleverley but 7 million is a poor outlay to be  fair.
If we didn't have the 7 points on the board this place would be in full meltdown
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2014, 09:36:38 PM
it's a shame we haven't got another midfielder in after letting KEA and Gardner go in the last week, and I'd really have liked some genuine competition for the wide roles up front but we're definitely in a better place than we were, and the results so far back that up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 09:36:44 PM
Not really sure what to make of that as a window. I think we'll be a better side overall, purely on the basis that we won't concede as many goals as last season. It really does bother me that we haven't addressed the glaring lack of creativity in the squad though. I could probably name 20 obtainable options who would have improved us in that sense. I think we're really going to struggle for goals without CB. Even when with Kozak as an alternative option, I'm honestly not sure where we're expecting the service to come from. Also very suprised that we're going into the season so short on centre-mid options.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Not the end of the world if we don't get anyone in. Be nice to have got canales or someone like him but we have Cole and grealish and the chance to buy again in Jan. If things don't work out with your first choices no point sig img someone for the sake of it. Think we as fans are victims of marketing by sky. Being perceived to have had a good deadline day doesn't actually mean anything  on the pitch. For example.please hull fans will be happy now but they had to do what they did as they sold their first choice striker earlier in the summer and you never know if a new signing will work put.

No, we're victims of poor decision making by the board and manager for the last few years, and despite the promising start the squad still isn't good enough.


Joe Cole our saviour
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: aev on September 01, 2014, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe it is but we signed quite a few players.

Not really. We've signed five players for relative peanuts. It's hardly the stuff of dreams.

Like you said, we are about staying up and nothing more these days. That's pretty depressing stuff. The fact we've all suspected it for a while doesn't really make it any more acceptable.

And our great creative hope is Joe Cole who has been a busted flush for years now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:37:05 PM
What's more than a bit worrying is that people on Twitter are saying we've got £8m to spend in January now. Because the transfer window in January is always more reasonable than the three months in the summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
We are a few key injuries away from a crisis again. Was the same at close of last Jan's transfer windows and look at what happened. Better hope that the injury fairy is kinder to us than it has been over the last few seasons.  There is no doubt that we are a stronger outfit this season than we were at the start of last season. We've held onto Vlaar and he seems to forming a good partnership with Senderose. Benteke and Kozac to come back. We haven't seen Joe Cole yet. So it bodes well for the few months ahead....... baring injuries of course. Up the Villa!
Senderos
Kozak
barring

Must try harder, Mr Rabbit.
[/quote

Sir, it was the fcukin predictive text on the phone. Honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 09:38:14 PM
Spare a thought for the poor Sky fcuker sent to BMH. I bet he's got his Angry Birds high score up if nothing else.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villan For Life on September 01, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe it is but we signed quite a few players.

Most of those we moved on were Lambert's signings so it doesn't bode well for the newcomers.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:38:36 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
We are a few key injuries away from a crisis again. Was the same at close of last Jan's transfer windows and look at what happened. Better hope that the injury fairy is kinder to us than it has been over the last few seasons.  There is no doubt that we are a stronger outfit this season than we were at the start of last season. We've held onto Vlaar and he seems to forming a good partnership with Senderose. Benteke and Kozac to come back. We haven't seen Joe Cole yet. So it bodes well for the few months ahead....... baring injuries of course. Up the Villa!
Senderos
Kozak
barring

Must try harder, Mr Rabbit.
[/quote

Sir, it was the fcukin predictive text on the phone. Honest.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe it is but we signed quite a few players.

Not really. We've signed five players for relative peanuts. It's hardly the stuff of dreams.

Like you said, we are about staying up and nothing more these days. That's pretty depressing stuff. The fact we've all suspected it for a while doesn't really make it any more acceptable.

What gets me a bit is that we have not even used our 2 loan options. Van Ginkel from Chelsea that has gone to Milan, or Salah who they were looking to loan would have been useful. Gnabry from Arsenal would give us an extra pacey wide option, Sinclair from Man City, Ben Arfa, Powell who has gone to Leicester - all decent players that would have improved our squad at least.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:33:18 PM
The one thing about today I am really happy about is not signing cleverley but 7 million is a poor outlay to be  fair.
If we didn't have the 7 points on the board this place would be in full meltdown

7 points after 8 games is possible
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villan For Life on September 01, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
This transfer day on sky is so much spin and bs

Sky have built it up so much it's a complete turn off now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on September 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
We are a few key injuries away from a crisis again. Was the same at close of last Jan's transfer windows and look at what happened. Better hope that the injury fairy is kinder to us than it has been over the last few seasons.  There is no doubt that we are a stronger outfit this season than we were at the start of last season. We've held onto Vlaar and he seems to forming a good partnership with Senderose. Benteke and Kozac to come back. We haven't seen Joe Cole yet. So it bodes well for the few months ahead....... baring injuries of course. Up the Villa!
Senderos
Kozak
barring

Must try harder, Mr Rabbit.
[/quote

Sir, it was the fcukin predictive text on the phone. Honest.

And the fucking predictive quote fail.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:33:18 PM
The one thing about today I am really happy about is not signing cleverley but 7 million is a poor outlay to be  fair.
If we didn't have the 7 points on the board this place would be in full meltdown

7 points after 8 games is possible
And the window will be locked Shut.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 09:42:14 PM
Pretty depressing to be honest, we still badly lack creative quality and we've spent barely anything. Not really good enough. We better see deals for Vlaar, Delph and Grealish now.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:46:20 PM
whos the bird in canary, I thought it was Natalie tonight, thou I wouldn't turn tweety pie down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:46:34 PM
The minimum requirement following this is that Villa throw the kitchen sink at deals for Delph and Vlaar. There's no excuse for not offering substantial deals.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 09:47:33 PM
Not signing Cleverley may seem as if we've "failed" in this window.
TBH I was underwhelmed by the attempt to sign him anyway - and he should be looking to get his career back on track, not holding out to break other clubs' wages policy - I don't know what more he would have added to what we already have.
An out and out attacking mf or no 10 would have added something, not a 90% completed passes statistic on overpaid legs.
Where's Merse Mark II when you need him?

Happy with our business so far except for J Cole, who may still have something to offer when he's fit!
I think we'll be okay as long as injuries don't bite us in the arse again!
UTV!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2014, 09:47:36 PM
How utterly unsurprising:

Quote
Former Bolton player Kevin Davies recalls when he was involved in a transfer deadline saga: "It was the January transfer window three years ago. Sunderland came knocking and I'd a few chats with their manager Martin O'Neill..."
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 09:47:50 PM
Tom Fox needs to change his name to Tom Fix because we are in need some repairs. This is a good start but we all know it won't last. The sides below the top 6/7 are all alike so it's always a matter of who gets dragged in as we did last season. Will our experience help? Yes. Is it enough to alleviate concerns that it won't happen again, no. We needed a player or two to help create that separation, and may that is N'Zogbia at full fitness, or Benteke or even Grealish. It would have been nice to get in one or two proven components so we are not having to put such a burden on the current group.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Big man. Check
Hardly scores. Check

Hello Martin here would you like to come and..
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe it is but we signed quite a few players.

Not really. We've signed five players for relative peanuts. It's hardly the stuff of dreams.

Like you said, we are about staying up and nothing more these days. That's pretty depressing stuff. The fact we've all suspected it for a while doesn't really make it any more acceptable.

What gets me a bit is that we have not even used our 2 loan options. Van Ginkel from Chelsea that has gone to Milan, or Salah who they were looking to loan would have been useful. Gnabry from Arsenal would give us an extra pacey wide option, Sinclair from Man City, Ben Arfa, Powell who has gone to Leicester - all decent players that would have improved our squad at least.

Yes, we do seem to be in the dark ages as far as transfers/loans in or out are concerned.  Sustainability and creativity are lacking in how we move from one season to the next.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 09:49:33 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:46:20 PM
whos the bird in canary, I thought it was Natalie tonight, thou I wouldn't turn tweety pie down.

Kate Abdo, specially brought in when Sky read sbout Eastie's softening cock.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
It's pretty poor that we've sold a midfielder and haven't at least replaced him. We've started the season well, but that shouldn't cover up the fact that we're still very short in midfield.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:50:56 PM
The loan thing is a very good point. Disappointing we haven't exploited it as well as some other clubs do.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: godzvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
seconds later

John Percy ‏@John__Percy  2m
#avfc will not be signing Tom Cleverley from #mufc. Cleverley holding out for a move to Everton. No other business expected at Villa
What I don't get is how Everton can afford the quoted wage expectations.
Shame there is no plan C ... but then we do not do that on the pitch, do they?

If Everton pay him anything like that, they're nuts.

Where, though, is our Plan B? Canales contacted on deadline day? He says he doesn't want to leave Spain. Surely we could have sounded him out about that weeks ago, if his objection was on such a fundamental issue?


BBC now saying that a deal with Everton is now not likely . Manure holding out for a sale & not interested in a loan .................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on September 01, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
This transfer day on sky is so much spin and bs

Sky have built it up so much it's a complete turn off now.
Bit like the EPL really!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2014, 09:49:33 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:46:20 PM
whos the bird in canary, I thought it was Natalie tonight, thou I wouldn't turn tweety pie down.

Kate Abdo, specially brought in when Sky read sbout Eastie's softening cock.

Oh Natalie is there in canary too.    Two tweety pies in my cage at once ;)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on September 01, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 01, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
seconds later

John Percy ‏@John__Percy  2m
#avfc will not be signing Tom Cleverley from #mufc. Cleverley holding out for a move to Everton. No other business expected at Villa
What I don't get is how Everton can afford the quoted wage expectations.
Shame there is no plan C ... but then we do not do that on the pitch, do they?

If Everton pay him anything like that, they're nuts.

Where, though, is our Plan B? Canales contacted on deadline day? He says he doesn't want to leave Spain. Surely we could have sounded him out about that weeks ago, if his objection was on such a fundamental issue?


BBC now saying that a deal with Everton is now not likely . Manure holding out for a sale & not interested in a loan .................Godzvilla!

Tough tits.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 09:53:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 09:50:56 PM
The loan thing is a very good point. Disappointing we haven't exploited it as well as some other clubs do.

Yep you'd have thought we could at least explore that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2014, 09:53:52 PM
Given that we've ended-up with a 23 man squad (with only really Grealish who's likely to make an impact as an U21) I wonder if there are any still-out-of-contract players who we could look at? Time for a new thread...?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Hoppo on September 01, 2014, 09:54:58 PM
Were signing Jason Bent.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 09:56:36 PM
I think Villa in this case did everything right, had the deal in place and just needed him to sign his name. Everton have 'swooped' in but are making it up as they go along, trying to force Man U's hand.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
watch them crash and burn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11068678/Radamel-Falcao-to-earn-265000-per-week-as-Manchester-United-pay-24-million-for-season-long-loan.html

fingers crossed
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:57:39 PM
ffs the falcoca show.    All  fooking day
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 09:57:51 PM
Wouldn't shock me if a last minute loan deal for someone or another went through before 11.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
watch them crash and burn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11068678/Radamel-Falcao-to-earn-265000-per-week-as-Manchester-United-pay-24-million-for-season-long-loan.html

fingers crossed

Whys it a coup when its costing them nearly 350,000 a week
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on September 01, 2014, 09:54:58 PM
Were signing Jason Bent.
Does he cost more standing up straight?

I'll get me coat...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 09:57:51 PM
Wouldn't shock me if a last minute loan deal for someone or another went through before 11.

dawkins
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 01, 2014, 10:00:16 PM
at least we've held on to vlaar?

Yes?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?



Exactly where's plan x and y
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
watch them crash and burn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11068678/Radamel-Falcao-to-earn-265000-per-week-as-Manchester-United-pay-24-million-for-season-long-loan.html

fingers crossed

Whys it a coup when its costing them nearly 350,000 a week

it's absolutely not a coup but that's how it's going to be spun. It's a mental deal. They looked utterly hideous at the back ohm Saturday against the mighty Burnley. I might even enjoy seeing what the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool or Man City might do to this lot.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?


Should imagine we were in for him long before two days ago...???
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2014, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?



If he had said yes, yes, deal, strung it out and then pulled at the last second though, Villa are hardly going to do the same thing Leicester did to McArthur to someone else as a back up. Difficult one, and maybe Cleverley only came available in the last few days. We should have had loan market offers in, but I can see how if he dicked us about completely it could have screwed other targets up.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 01, 2014, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?

with all due respect, isn't that a tactic ellis used to use, offer a certain amount knowing part of the deal was unacceptable, so he could say , well we tried.

just a theory
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?



That rarely happens with a transfer that size. There's a chance we've been trying to do a deal for a while.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:05:44 PM
If Utd want the fecker off their books, they needed to reduce the price or Cleverley needed to reduce his demands to get a deal done. As things stand they'll get nothing & Cleverley will be scratching his arse for 9 months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?


Should imagine we were in for him long before two days ago...???

Well, possibly. I don't want to be someone who thinks we do things at the last minute, but I truly don't believe we've been after him all summer only to fail at the last moment. I think Lambert's probably been holding back what's left of his budget, had a target in mind that he'd go for should nothing arise, then Cleverley became an option, and ultimately missed out on both. Not necessarily Lambert's fault, but very risky.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?


Should imagine we were in for him long before two days ago...???


If I was villa , I wouldn't even mention that
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 10:07:01 PM
Cleverley is shit. I'm glad he's gone elsewhere, however we should know better than to be had on like this, if indeed it is the case.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:05:44 PM
If Utd want the fecker off their books, they needed to reduce the price or Cleverley needed to reduce his demands to get a deal done. As things stand they'll get nothing & Cleverley will be scratching his arse for 9 months.


Agree
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
No deal for cleverly
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
Everton I mean
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
I'm certain we matched his Man U salary and offered him first team football and a chance to rebuild his career.

If that's not enough for him, then he has no idea
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
Fuck 'em all.

Up the Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: phantom limb on September 01, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
It sounds like it's stalled with the player himself, apparently Everton won't pay the wages he's asking for either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2014, 09:13:31 PM
Certainly some of them, but a new deal for Bent?

I'm not sure that should be high up the list of priorities.
Yes you are right. It was a general yes.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Lizz on September 01, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
We've just succumbed and are watching SSN. It's like some kind of Partridge type parody I'm told, I understand etc etc.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:05:44 PM
If Utd want the fecker off their books, they needed to reduce the price or Cleverley needed to reduce his demands to get a deal done. As things stand they'll get nothing & Cleverley will be scratching his arse for 9 months.


Agree
be nice to see Delph take his England place too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 10:10:37 PM
So Cleverley stays put as Everton pull out.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
It is typical though of some footballers who are just utter arses.  Consider this.

He is less than a year away from being a free agent so wants a loan so he gets a huge signing on fee at the end of it.
He has a massive chance to impress and get back into the England reckoning by playing every week for us.
He holds out and instead wants to sit on Everton's bench for a year on loan.

Massive prick in my view.

But it doesn't offer any excuse for our spending this summer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
Love it if falco doesn't happen and they are left with cleverly
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
After all those manure fans took the piss out of us signing  him
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:12:29 PM
Yanited stuck with Cleverley . No pay rise and no football for you Tom you greedy cock end.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte Sweet on September 01, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
Says a lot about Cleverly I think if he is trying to screw clubs for money rather than jumping at the chance to get his career back on track.

Having said that I don't buy into the hype of  deadline day or that our season hinges on who we do or do not sign on the last day of the window.

By my calculation adding returning bomb squadraneers, transfers already done and the returning injured wehave nine players to integrate a big upgrade on what we were stuck with last season.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:13:19 PM
Three great tits on sky sport news
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
Love it if falco doesn't happen and they are left with cleverly

now that would be hilarious
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Lizz on September 01, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
We've just succumbed and are watching SSN. It's like some kind of Partridge type parody I'm told, I understand etc etc.

I actually stood outside Old Trafford and talked shit on the news about football transfers. It was a dream come true
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:15:11 PM
Benteke , Kozak and Okore will all be like new signings anyway as they are phased back into action come October (Okore earlier ?).
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?


Should imagine we were in for him long before two days ago...???

Well, possibly. I don't want to be someone who thinks we do things at the last minute, but I truly don't believe we've been after him all summer only to fail at the last moment. I think Lambert's probably been holding back what's left of his budget, had a target in mind that he'd go for should nothing arise, then Cleverley became an option, and ultimately missed out on both. Not necessarily Lambert's fault, but very risky.
Would've thought we've had several irons in the fire and this is the one that  glowed brightest and looked to be popular with all concerned. Wouldn't be surprised if his agent has been doing a bit of shopping around and trying to get several decent clubs to outbid each other at the last minute.
Hope he ends up in the stiffs at ManU.
Perhaps LVG will relaunch him as their saviour in February?

F**k him!
What's Lee Hendrie doing these days?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
"Agent Edward  ‏@Agent_Edward  · 1m 
Aston Villa are upset with Tom Cleverley. The club feel he has mislead them & now miss out on other targets."

As much as you can criticise Cleverley, this is a very, very silly strategy from Villa. Maybe we shouldn't have gone for him with about two days of the window to go?


Should imagine we were in for him long before two days ago...???

Well, possibly. I don't want to be someone who thinks we do things at the last minute, but I truly don't believe we've been after him all summer only to fail at the last moment. I think Lambert's probably been holding back what's left of his budget, had a target in mind that he'd go for should nothing arise, then Cleverley became an option, and ultimately missed out on both. Not necessarily Lambert's fault, but very risky.

If managers have players in mind that they want to bring in, it is usually prior to the season starting.  Transfers that happen in the last week of the transfer window are generally players that only become available at that time (the better players) or left overs from earlier in the transfer window that are the 'better than nothing' buys.  There is still some of the chain reaction transfers but with more money from TV, this is less so than a couple of years ago.  This season has been slightly different due to the world cup.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:20:34 PM
It sounds like Cleverley is a bit of a bell end - and, to be honest, he's shit anyway, so no great loss there - but we've maybe been a bit naive if this has blown all our other options.

Did we, for example, suss out Cleverley this afternoon and then get on the phone to Canales in desperation shortly after?

Anyway, what a ******, fuck him.

"TC23" my arse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2014, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
Love it if falco doesn't happen and they are left with cleverly

in the words of Colonel Hannibal Smith......I love it when a plan comes together
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Isn't Falco done and dusted ? Or can it be scuppered ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:20:34 PM

"TC23" my arse.

"23" being the amount, in minutes, of playing time he'll get this season, probably in the FA Cup Third Round.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
And were going to Manchester
















...Manchester city lol
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
They've hit the panic button for sure .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Isn't Falco done and dusted ? Or can it be scuppered ?

I expect the medical will be a the scupper if anything is. He has just come back from a bad knee injury and no one knows if he is fully recovered from that.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
The best thing about SSN's deadline day coverage is the presenters looking like they're shitting themselves as they stand there with feral children behind them, and watching their faces as they have dildos waved in their ears, or people swearing on screen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
What did that bloke say

Something about pussy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on September 01, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Isn't Falco done and dusted ? Or can it be scuppered ?

I expect the medical will be a the scupper if anything is. He has just come back from a bad knee injury and no one knows if he is fully recovered from that.

Luckily they haven't signed any centre half's so they will still be a bit shit.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
Man U once spent just over a million quid on Cantona. It was a marquee signing, but also the last piece of a very patiently assembled jigsaw.

Falcćo is a ketamine trolley dash signing
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 10:27:45 PM
Who gives a fuck about Falcao. Put it in the correct thread!!

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: manic-road on September 01, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Isn't Falco done and dusted ? Or can it be scuppered ?

I expect the medical will be a the scupper if anything is. He has just come back from a bad knee injury and no one knows if he is fully recovered from that.

Luckily they haven't signed any centre half's so they will still be a bit shit.
Yep Falco + Di Maria with Jonny Evans behind them is still pretty dire
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:28:39 PM
Manure are going to do a arsenal
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Brian Taylor on September 01, 2014, 10:28:45 PM
Somebody wrote about Falcao and Di Maria that when a patient has a Heart problem a pair of artificial tits transplant  may look pretty but do not get to the root of the problem.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2014, 10:29:09 PM
Shouldn't laugh, but things were getting a little rowdy when SKY went over to QPR then and the reporter was having a bit of a rough time.  Just as I write, someone has just shouted something abusive over the reporter down at West Ham.  They're going to have to re-think this! 

As for Cleverley, feeling a bit indifferent really.  Wasn't to be I guess, but I worry that we are going to be left short in midfield.

Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
The best thing about SSN's deadline day coverage is the presenters looking like they're shitting themselves as they stand there with feral children behind them, and watching their faces as they have dildos waved in their ears, or people swearing on screen.

I wonder what would happen if one of those feral kids just lamped one of them. Would they try to laugh it off, or go psychotic and start windmilling into the crowd?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 01, 2014, 10:27:45 PM
Who gives a fuck about Falcao. Put it in the correct thread!!



Yep, it's totally detracting from the absolute lack of anything transfer related coming out of Villa.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
What did that bloke say

Something about pussy

"Fuck her right in the pussy", apparently in a common viral hoax, whatever the fuck that is?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!

Would love to put one over on them at VP this season!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: claret and blue blood on September 01, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Bit worrying how light on numbers we are in midfield, a few injuries and suspensions and what are we left with, letting Ahmadi go seems a bit strange and Gardner out on loan to ,Ciaran Clark in midfield ?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 10:32:27 PM
SSN is just becoming a tool for growing bellendery from all parties.  It's that bad I've given up to let Mrs Pablo watch Big Brother instead.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:32:29 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
The best thing about SSN's deadline day coverage is the presenters looking like they're shitting themselves as they stand there with feral children behind them, and watching their faces as they have dildos waved in their ears, or people swearing on screen.

I wonder what would happen if one of those feral kids just lamped one of them. Would they try to laugh it off, or go psychotic and start windmilling into the crowd?

That bell end Something Cotterill outside QPR is the one who constantly looks like he's about to soil himself and start crying.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2014, 10:33:55 PM
It's pretty poor that we don't appear to have any back options rather like when we tried to sign Hoolahan.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
What did that bloke say

Something about pussy

"Fuck her right in the pussy", apparently in a common viral hoax, whatever the fuck that is?

Local Fox reporter in the states was reporting a story about a missing girl, didn't know he was live on air and mused out loud that he would like to find her so he could 'fuck her right in the pussy'.

Really really horrible moment. Went viral for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:32:29 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
The best thing about SSN's deadline day coverage is the presenters looking like they're shitting themselves as they stand there with feral children behind them, and watching their faces as they have dildos waved in their ears, or people swearing on screen.

I wonder what would happen if one of those feral kids just lamped one of them. Would they try to laugh it off, or go psychotic and start windmilling into the crowd?

That bell end Something Cotterill outside QPR is the one who constantly looks like he's about to soil himself and start crying.

I think they would like to refuse to do it, but working for Sky is like being a contestant in The Hunger Games. There's always somebody ready to take your place.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:38:25 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
What did that bloke say

Something about pussy

"Fuck her right in the pussy", apparently in a common viral hoax, whatever the fuck that is?

Local Fox reporter in the states was reporting a story about a missing girl, didn't know he was live on air and mused out loud that he would like to find her so he could 'fuck her right in the pussy'.

Really really horrible moment. Went viral for obvious reasons.

It was a hoax video.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on September 01, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Bit worrying how light on numbers we are in midfield, a few injuries and suspensions and what are we left with, letting Ahmadi go seems a bit strange and Gardner out on loan to ,Ciaran Clark in midfield ?

I think that unless we were to bring somebody in that is as good or better than the first choices, I would much prefer to bring a youngster in to play midfield or up front.  Although at the back you need experience.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: the beeb
Phil McNulty
BBC Sport chief football writer
Posted at
"More on Tom Cleverley and Everton. I'm hearing now that Everton were prepared to sign him permanently but nowhere near the £8m fee Aston Villa had already met."

So we wouldn't cough the (ridiculous) wages and Everton never even got that far.

Enjoy picking the splinters out of your arse.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
The best thing about SSN's deadline day coverage is the presenters looking like they're shitting themselves as they stand there with feral children behind them, and watching their faces as they have dildos waved in their ears, or people swearing on screen.

I wonder what would happen if one of those feral kids just lamped one of them. Would they try to laugh it off, or go psychotic and start windmilling into the crowd?

Which one would you do?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:40:57 PM
Man U were never going to let Cleverley go to Everton unless it was a permanent signing for a fee similar to what we offered. Looks like Cleverley's been playing games to force a loan move to Everton, get some games & still run down his contract, so he can pocket a bigger signing on fee. He had no intention of coming to us.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.

Did you tell him he was doing a great job and keep it up?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:41:51 PM
Van Gaal is behaving like MON on steroids ! Ridiculous cheque book approach. Looking forward to him being sacked after 12 calamitous months.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2014, 10:42:08 PM
Midfield is a concern. Our first choice formation seems to be 433. For the 3 in midfield our first choice seems to be Westwood, Delph and Richardson at the moment. We've got sanchez and cole as back up. And that's it. And one of them is joe cole.

Is that really enough? Do we count bacuna in there? Never seen him have a good game in midfield

Please nobody mention Chris herd. He doesn't count!
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:42:19 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:38:25 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
What did that bloke say

Something about pussy

"Fuck her right in the pussy", apparently in a common viral hoax, whatever the fuck that is?

Local Fox reporter in the states was reporting a story about a missing girl, didn't know he was live on air and mused out loud that he would like to find her so he could 'fuck her right in the pussy'.

Really really horrible moment. Went viral for obvious reasons.

It was a hoax video.

Was it?



The look on the woman presenter's face.

EDIT

It is a hoax. Coverage here.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/the-guy-who-says-the-gross-thing-on-tv

The one from the world cup, though, is real. Made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on September 01, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.

Did you tell him he was doing a great job and keep it up?

I was watching the fucker intently in case he was planning a secret meeting with Vlaar.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 10:43:12 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
What did that bloke say

Something about pussy

"Fuck her right in the pussy", apparently in a common viral hoax, whatever the fuck that is?

It is yeah. Childish as fuck but funny.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.

That european thing of eating ham and cheese for breakfast .... words fail me. The sick fucks. Ham and cheese isn't for breakfast. EVER.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:44:15 PM
Somniloquism: didn't know it was a hoax. Am glad, it was one of the most horrible things I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 10:46:04 PM
Well can I be the first to say thanks very much to the new benevolent owner(s) for taking intelligent risks and handing us all that transfer kitty ahead of your formal unveiling.  I am really looking forward to the future and in particular the £5m 'warchest' you have made available in January.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:43:23 PM

That european thing of eating ham and cheese for breakfast .... words fail me. The sick fucks. Ham and cheese isn't for breakfast. EVER.

...unless it's on leftover pizza, of course.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
If ever I'm forced into eating a continental breakfast (normally when I'm on the continent) I usually go for salami, hard boiled egg, a croissant some emental and a few grapes and nuts scattered across it all with an espresso and a couple of Galouisses .
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.

That european thing of eating ham and cheese for breakfast .... words fail me. The sick fucks. Ham and cheese isn't for breakfast. EVER.

Its always that rubbery plastic shite too
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:44:15 PM
Somniloquism: didn't know it was a hoax. Am glad, it was one of the most horrible things I've ever seen.

Must be a professional thing.

Similarly, I had to sort out a pc running Windows XP SP1 today. That was horrific for me. Similar feelings.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2014, 10:48:23 PM
Two loan moves I'd have been interested in: assaidi and Ramirez

Wage demands prohibitive?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on September 01, 2014, 10:48:23 PM
Two loan moves I'd have been interested in: assaidi and Ramirez

Wage demands prohibitive?

We don't seem to have a clue about using the loan system. Look at how brilliantly Everton have used it.

We just use it to get shot of some of the shit players we wish we'd never bought in the first place.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: john2710
link=topic=51561.msg2670393#msg2670393 date=1409607657 Man U were never going to let Cleverley go to Everton unless it was a permanent signing for a fee similar to what we offered. Looks like Cleverley's been playing games to force a loan move to Everton, get some games & still run down his contract, so he can pocket a bigger signing on fee. He had no intention of coming to us.

In which case we've inadvertently helped bigger up both United's plans for clearing a squad place and saving a few quid and Everton's plans for bolstering their squad.

In a fantasy world, it's their inability to shift Cleverley that's scuppered Falcao as even they must be close to over stretching themselves with the best part of 3/4 million out of the door just on him and Rooney after they've paid employers NI
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
One of our own has let us down.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 10:51:41 PM
Twat at the Villa has just said the pussy joke how embarrassing.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.
Was he sweating?
Counting his money and assuring his Mrs they could leave this shithole in two years?
Did he show you his Villa tattoo?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
One of our own has let us down.

Oh dear....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 10:52:11 PM
Fuck her right in the pussy x 3.

UTV  8)
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 10:52:12 PM
Tom cleverlys woman was there at villa
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: manic-road on September 01, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
One of our own has let us down.

The one who shouted FHRITP?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on September 01, 2014, 10:53:03 PM
I wonder if Lambert's watching Sky Sports wondering if we're signing anyone. We're not signing anyone are we?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2014, 10:53:40 PM
We do look horribly short of options. Two wingers in the whole squad (one of whom is 18). One actual creative attacking midfielder (who's joe cole).

It's astonishing that a club in our financial position hasn't made use of the loan system. I just can't fathom it.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.

That european thing of eating ham and cheese for breakfast .... words fail me. The sick fucks. Ham and cheese isn't for breakfast. EVER.

Sir. Ham & Cheese croissant is a fine breakfast. I demand a retraction!

 ;D
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: manic-road on September 01, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
One of our own has let us down.

The one who shouted FHRITP?

& blow up sex doll.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
7 mins left to get Milner
#bringhim home
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 10:52:11 PM
Fuck her right in the pussy x 3.

UTV  8)

Sorry don't see how that's anything other than embarrassing for the club to be associated with that kind of cock socket.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2014, 10:56:32 PM
Like others, very surprised we've not used the loan system to our advantage today.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
Hopefully it'll stop this reporter at training ground bullshit next time.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:26:35 PM
The best thing about SSN's deadline day coverage is the presenters looking like they're shitting themselves as they stand there with feral children behind them, and watching their faces as they have dildos waved in their ears, or people swearing on screen.
I have heard Sky positively encourage reporters to gather supporters behind them on this day. Apparently makes good TV however it's going to go horribly wrong one day.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
The only positive outcome is that they might do away with this stupid circus.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
It must be exciting for Man United to sign Falcao, but really, the money concerned is absolutely nuts. £24m to borrow someone for a year, then 345k a week? That's insane.

They look increasingly like a club who just spend money to look like they're doing something without thinking about whether they need the players concerned.
Looks as if Van Gaal is already in panic mode.
F**kin' stupid money!


I was sat on the table next to van Gaal and his wife in a Manchester hotel one morning last week.  I was having a full English, he'd gone for the typical continental ham and cheese and stuff.  Nothing to do with transfers I realise, but slightly more interesting than watching SSN in a forlorn hope of us signing somebody.

That european thing of eating ham and cheese for breakfast .... words fail me. The sick fucks. Ham and cheese isn't for breakfast. EVER.

Sir. Ham & Cheese croissant is a fine breakfast. I demand a retraction!

 ;D

Try being over here.

Whole grain rolls that would cause nasty injuries if dropped from more than 6 inches above you, with butter, rubber cheese and topped with strawberry jam!

And their sausages are shit as well.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
I notice the girl at Swansea has had no fans around her all day. That must have been managed as you would think that would be a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
Suprisingly Arsenal get an extention to put Welbeck deal through.  What were the chances of that happening?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on September 01, 2014, 10:52:11 PM
Fuck her right in the pussy x 3.

UTV  8)

Sorry don't see how that's anything other than embarrassing for the club to be associated with that kind of cock socket.

One person doing that says not much about our club and everything about Sky's professionalism letting it happen for a third time (plus the dildo incident).

Was always going to happen.

It's childish but it's amused me tbh.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
The only positive outcome is that they might do away with this stupid circus.

That is what I hope happens.

I am sufficiently childish to say I actually find it funny, mind.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 10:59:51 PM
They have to. That poor bloke outside QPR has had to deal with the worst pond life that West London has to offer.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 10:59:52 PM
To be fair sausages are shit pretty much everywhere outside of germany or poland.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2014, 11:00:05 PM
Did they really just say Arsenal have been granted an extension to sign Welbeck? I thought they were supposed to pretend that the rules were fair?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
How is it that Arsenal have managed yet anothre extension?!  FFS.  Why not Lambert driving to Carrington in his car - can we have until 5am.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
The transfer window is closed


But arsenal and manure are allowed to carry on
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 11:01:40 PM
So not really 'slammed shut' then.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2014, 11:01:40 PM
So not really 'slammed shut' then.

Slammed shut but its one of those doors that closes very slowly.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
It's a fire door.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
The transfer window is closed


But arsenal and manure are allowed to carry on
God I hate football nowadays
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Ryu on September 01, 2014, 11:04:28 PM
It's a window of time not a physical fucking window!  It doesn't shut it ends.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Disappointing. Oh well, better nobody than overpaying for Cleverley.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: peter w on September 01, 2014, 11:04:44 PM
I dropped into the pub for 20 mins around 6 ish today to see the Sky reporter doing his best Alan Partirdge Dan"! scene. 'Arry drives out and after a couple of attempts to stop him he starts down the road and as the car has sped away he gives a pause and then shouts, "Harry"! Hilarious.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 01, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
The transfer window is closed


But arsenal and manure are allowed to carry on
God I hate football nowadays

Why? They haven't broken any rules.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 22, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 07:26:35 PM
Welbeck will probably end up at Arsenal and do well there.

Why Arsenal? It feels like people suggest them all the time as somewhere every striker in the world would do well at.

It was an opinion and i don't really hear of the every striker part, maybe it's just you.

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 22, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
If Welbeck isn't good enough for ManYoo, why would he be good enough for Arsenal?

Same reason as why Sturridge wasn't deemed good enough for Chelsea.

I got that bang on ages ago who needs ssn.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
The only positive outcome is that they might do away with this stupid circus.

That is what I hope happens.

I am sufficiently childish to say I actually find it funny, mind.

I did a live at a cup semi final at Wembley, was surrounded by Citeh fans. One of them spent the whole sixty seconds I was on air gobbing at the back of my head. I finished with saliva running down my neck.

It made YouTube and I guess if you weren't me it was pretty funny, but I'll never agree to a job like that ever again.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on September 01, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2014, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
The transfer window is closed


But arsenal and manure are allowed to carry on
God I hate football nowadays

Why? They haven't broken any rules.
It feels like they have
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
The only positive outcome is that they might do away with this stupid circus.

That is what I hope happens.

I am sufficiently childish to say I actually find it funny, mind.

I did a live at a cup semi final at Wembley, was surrounded by Citeh fans. One of them spent the whole sixty seconds I was on air gobbing at the back of my head. I finished with saliva running down my neck.

It made YouTube and I guess if you weren't me it was pretty funny, but I'll never agree to a job like that ever again.

How close did you come to windmilling wildly into them?
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
Very, very disappointing from Villa. I hate Lambert and Lerner with a passion and cannot wait for the day that they both fuck off and the club is returned to something that resembles a club for Villa fans to be proud of.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 01, 2014, 11:09:39 PM
So a quick summer of transfer Falcao day;

TC23 turns out to be a greedy c*nt

Not a lot has happened and SSN have been making shit up

Falcao something or other

Arsenal have unlimited time as usual

FHRITP is the in thing, apparently

Falcao again, I think

LVG and Manure have gone all in, to finish 10th

and finally.....

undisclosed + undisclosed + undisclosed = £816,750,000.00 apparently

What have we learnt from today.... nothing that we didnt know already, football has gone stark raving mad, Villa are a couple of players short and Natalie Sawyer is the new ambassador to FHRITP.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: DB on September 01, 2014, 11:11:27 PM
Well that's that...but don't we find out who our new owner is tomorrow? So excited.....
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 01, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
Very, very disappointing from Villa. I hate Lambert and Lerner with a passion and cannot wait for the day that they both fuck off and the club is returned to something that resembles a club for Villa fans to be proud of.

I think secretly most of us knew no one new would becoming in today.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
Suprisingly Arsenal get an extention to put Welbeck deal through.  What were the chances of that happening?

It's been in the rules for a while.

If a deal is agreed in principle, but awaiting the last details to be agreed on the contract, after 9pm you can register a deal sheet, to get up to 1am to register the final contracts and registration paperwork.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
The only positive outcome is that they might do away with this stupid circus.

That is what I hope happens.

I am sufficiently childish to say I actually find it funny, mind.

I did a live at a cup semi final at Wembley, was surrounded by Citeh fans. One of them spent the whole sixty seconds I was on air gobbing at the back of my head. I finished with saliva running down my neck.

It made YouTube and I guess if you weren't me it was pretty funny, but I'll never agree to a job like that ever again.

How close did you come to windmilling wildly into them?

Not very. There were lots of them, they were very pissed and it was on a bit of a knife edge between 'banter' and physical assault
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 01, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
Very, very disappointing from Villa. I hate Lambert and Lerner with a passion and cannot wait for the day that they both fuck off and the club is returned to something that resembles a club for Villa fans to be proud of.

I think secretly most of us knew no one new would becoming in today.
We're The Villa.
We live in hope.
Shrug at the inevitable...
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Holte Sweet on September 01, 2014, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2014, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2014, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 01, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
Very, very disappointing from Villa. I hate Lambert and Lerner with a passion and cannot wait for the day that they both fuck off and the club is returned to something that resembles a club for Villa fans to be proud of.

I think secretly most of us knew no one new would becoming in today.
We're The Villa.
We live in hope.
Shrug at the inevitable...

We are Prepared. Usually for disappointment.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 11:42:57 PM
It could be worse, we could be Leeds United.

Take a look at this.

This evening at 9.49pm:
 
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Leeds United FCVerified account
‏@LUFC
Don't go to bed just yet...there is still work to be done #DeadlineDay #lufc

They then sell two strikers and buy nobody. Then at 11pm:

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Leeds United FC @LUFC  ·  40m
After a busy last hour that is us done for the 2014 Summer Transfer Window #DeadlineDay #lufc
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: tomd2103 on September 02, 2014, 12:12:44 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
The transfer window is closed


Yep and SSN had Big Ben chiming on the screen to prove it.  I just wonder if the presenters at any point thought how ridiculous it all was. 

Heard an interesting point made on Talksport earlier tonight.  Some journo (or might have been an agent) said that he is yet to meet anyone involved in football at any level who thinks the transfer window is a good idea.  He said it is particularly hard on promoted clubs, as the manager needs to see how the players who got them promoted cope in the next league up and if they don't and are in relegation trouble by Christmas, noone wants to go there in January. 
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: baddowvillans on September 02, 2014, 06:10:27 AM
Not entirely a surprise no additions today.  Like others I never craved TC but I think he would have given us something. I do believe the signings we have made will improve if not excite us.  What gets me is that for the 3/4 the transfer window we have done little while lesser clubs (in my opinion) put their hands in their pockets and sign players - in many cases above their apparent weight. One day soon we will pay for this approach.

Really pleased with the 7 points so far but let's see what it looks like at the end of September
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Matt Collins on September 02, 2014, 06:27:41 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on September 01, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
Suprisingly Arsenal get an extention to put Welbeck deal through.  What were the chances of that happening?

It's been in the rules for a while.

If a deal is agreed in principle, but awaiting the last details to be agreed on the contract, after 9pm you can register a deal sheet, to get up to 1am to register the final contracts and registration paperwork.

It was when hull got an extension to complete their signings that I knew it was all a big club southern conspiracy
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on September 02, 2014, 06:55:01 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2014, 10:59:49 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on September 01, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
The only positive outcome is that they might do away with this stupid circus.

That is what I hope happens.

I am sufficiently childish to say I actually find it funny, mind.

I can't stand it either.
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: oldtimernow on September 02, 2014, 08:21:49 AM
the best bit of transfer deadline day is the wit and humour exhibited on this website
Title: Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip
Post by: Legion on September 02, 2014, 08:30:20 AM
Verdict (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=52624)
Title: Darren Bent
Post by: godzvilla on September 02, 2014, 03:03:14 PM
Being linked with a loan move to Charlton :
 http://www.charlton.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=369334

.............Godzvilla!
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