Transfer Speculation / Gossip

[RussellC]

Matteo Bonetti ‏@TheCalcioGuy  4m
Juve tempted to reinforce defense with either Ron Vlaar or Savic, according to @Gazzetta_it

Would be slightly more worrying than an approach from Southampton...

[aj2k77]

Any rumours anywhere of us buying someone?

[robbo1874]

Profit on Benteke, Vlaar and Westwood, after that i'm struggling. Richardson as well obviously.

Westwood, Lowton and Bacuna couldn't have been £1m, otherwise how do the accounts show we've spent £42m quid?

guessing that also includes wages, insurance premiums etc? Apologies if someone else has suggested this already

[Malandro]

Mirror rumour of Lowton being loaned to Middlesborough. Seems unlikely. They can have Bennett back, though!

few other sites say same

[supertom]

There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos

Martin O Neill would.

[Gregorys Boy]

There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos

Martin O Neill would.

I'd rather have Zat Knight than Senderos, there I SAID IT!

[supertom]

There's no way someone is paying £4m for senderos

Martin O Neill would.

I'd rather have Zat Knight than Senderos, there I SAID IT!

I think I'm with you on that one.
I'd rather have Titus Bra...no...no...I've taken it too far.

[paul_e]

Profit on Benteke, Vlaar and Westwood, after that i'm struggling. Richardson as well obviously.

Westwood, Lowton and Bacuna couldn't have been £1m, otherwise how do the accounts show we've spent £42m quid?

guessing that also includes wages, insurance premiums etc? Apologies if someone else has suggested this already

Wages have to be recognised as such on the accounts. I believe that would cover signing bonuses as well, I'm fairly certain that anything that would require tax and NI counts.

Insurance costs, agent fees and possibly contractual clauses might be there though. The last of those is the one I'm least sure about but I think bent counted as £24m in the accounts despite the fee being 18. I also think that most of those clauses got paid by the summer anyway.

That would mean that the potential cost for all his signings is £42m but the actual outgoing is less right now. It makes sense because the accounts need to present all the liabilities regardless of whether they are due.

[RussellC]

For what it's worth I don't think it's a particularly outlandish debate to be having as to whether Lambert's signings would return a profit. For instance most of the people saying that they would are including Ron Vlaar as a definite profit because he'd fetch upward of £10m. But on other threads pepole are adamant that Vlaar won't be going this summer because no-one will pay that amount. The difference between what we value him at and what we'd actually get if we put him up for sale is surely a point worthy of debate?

The reality, as I see it, is that the jury's out on too many of Lambert's signings to really sit firmly on either side of the fence. We'd definitely make a huge profit on Benteke and definitely make small losses on the likes of Helenius, Luna, Bennett whilst (hopefully) breaking even on KEA. Kozak and Okore we just don;t know about, and I can understand the reluctance to credit Guzan's signing to Lambert in the sense that it wasn't like he was scouted by him. He also renewed Andy Marshall's contract, effectively retaining the status quo of the goalkeeping staff for his first season in charge.

Sales value depends on so much more than ability too, e.g contract length, injury history, is the player settled at the club?, etc. Therefore isn't the relevant question in all of this how many of the players have improved  since signing for us?

[Gregorys Boy]

What do people think about the Scott Sinclair rumour? Have never seen that much of him.  Has been a lot of hype over the years, maybe has been unlucky at the bigger clubs.  I think he or Moses could improve us in that department.

[Clampy]

What do people think about the Scott Sinclair rumour? Have never seen that much of him.  Has been a lot of hype over the years, maybe has been unlucky at the bigger clubs.  I think he or Moses could improve us in that department.

He was at the pinstripeyfilth last season and hardly did a thing. Whether he was injured or just not picked I don't know.

[RussellC]

I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. We have enough players carrying question marks over form and fitness without adding another.

[LeeS]

I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. We have enough players carrying question marks over form and fitness without adding another.

If we cobble together enough crocks we should be able to put 11 of them out each week. Even if its a different 11 every time.

[Gregorys Boy]

I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. We have enough players carrying question marks over form and fitness without adding another.

Was thinking his injury record could be a problem.  In that case I would go for Moses, still only 23, was good at Wigan (whose level we are realistically at now like it or not), will add a few goals, and should be committed to a new challenge.  Also, it would be a loan so if he doesn't produce we can always ship him back next year.

[paul_e]

For what it's worth I don't think it's a particularly outlandish debate to be having as to whether Lambert's signings would return a profit. For instance most of the people saying that they would are including Ron Vlaar as a definite profit because he'd fetch upward of £10m. But on other threads pepole are adamant that Vlaar won't be going this summer because no-one will pay that amount. The difference between what we value him at and what we'd actually get if we put him up for sale is surely a point worthy of debate?

The reality, as I see it, is that the jury's out on too many of Lambert's signings to really sit firmly on either side of the fence. We'd definitely make a huge profit on Benteke and definitely make small losses on the likes of Helenius, Luna, Bennett whilst (hopefully) breaking even on KEA. Kozak and Okore we just don;t know about, and I can understand the reluctance to credit Guzan's signing to Lambert in the sense that it wasn't like he was scouted by him. He also renewed Andy Marshall's contract, effectively retaining the status quo of the goalkeeping staff for his first season in charge.

Sales value depends on so much more than ability too, e.g contract length, injury history, is the player settled at the club?, etc. Therefore isn't the relevant question in all of this how many of the players have improved  since signing for us?

It really is outlandish, as said earlier, Benteke on his own gets back about 3/4s of the money Lambert has spent (there can be no debate that he'd be worth as much as Lukaku) at that point getting our money back on Okore and Kozak (which seems fair) and getting a decent profit on Vlaar means we're already in profit, that's without even looking at the other 15? players in the squad that he's signed.