Transfer Speculation / Gossip

[Dave]

Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.

I'd say £8m on Guzan isn't over-exaggerating either.

5 0r 6 at best

Norwich apparently quoted £8m for John Ruddy. There are probably four or five keepers in the league I'd swap Guzan for, and I don't think any of those would be leaving their clubs for less than £10m.

[Steve67]

Even if we make a loss or can't sell the rest we'd be looking at £60-65m and that's with a pretty conservative estimate on Benteke.

I'd say £8m on Guzan isn't over-exaggerating either.

5 0r 6 at best

Steer - 1.5m
Lowton -£2.5m
Bennett - 2m
Bacuna - 2.5m
Senderos - 4m
Vlaar - 12m (inflated price put on his neck
KEA - 3m
Richardson - 2m
Westwood - 4m
Benteke - 28m
Kozak - 7m

that still looks like a profit.

Blimey Peter, I wish!! 

[Dave]

So talk us through it. Apart from Senderos (which is a bit crazy) and possibly Steer, which of those do you disagree with and why?

[saunders_heroes]

This Lambert flak with his signings baffles me. Yes there's been a few duds (tell me a manager that dosen't buy them) but come on Benteke and Vlaar for 10m was brilliant and stands up against many premier league managers for value I'd say.

The Lambert signings flak baffles you? Honestly?

[Steve67]

Dave, Shall we just wait and see once that Scottish chap on Sky sports tells us "that's it til January" . At the moment, I am questioning why we are loaning players, rather than selling them? Is it because they are crap, unsellable, or we want to keep them because they might be worth something one day? Apparently, this adds up to nonsense according to you. Whereas, I feel it's a healthy debate with different posters being either overly optimistic, in my view, or genuinely saying it as they see it.

Benteke, brilliant signing. Should make a huge profit on him. Vlaar, yup, based on his world cup performances. Profit. The rest, let's wait and see. 

[aj2k77]

On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

[Steve67]

On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

You see Dave, healthy debate. Not nonsense. The camp is split. Some of us think Lamberts signings are poor, with the odd exception, some think they are great and we'll make good profits.

[PeterWithesShin]

On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

Good job he paid less than half that for them. And if they were for sale we'd almost certainly get the best part of £10m for them, if not a tad over.

[PeterWithesShin]

On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

You see Dave, healthy debate. Not nonsense. The camp is split. Some of us think Lamberts signings are poor, with the odd exception, some think they are great and we'll make good profits.

And some think that although some of the signings haven't worked out we'd still make a profit on most of them.

[Dave]

Whereas, I feel it's a healthy debate with different posters being either overly optimistic, in my view, or genuinely saying it as they see it.

A healthy debate is two or more people arguing different points of view.

What we have here is one person veering randomly from point to point, ignoring 90% of what everyone else is saying and finishing by repeating his original post.

While everyone else gets bored and exasperated.

If I were so inclined I would waste another few minutes of my evening by pointing that if your whole point of questioning is "why are we loaning players when we could sell them" it seems to be based on a couple of reports that Middlesbrough "want to take Lowton on loan" (not that we want to loan him, or even want him to go anywhere) and something that is only happening in your own head that we're loaning Luna to Verona - when every single report says that we might be selling him to Verona.

Bugger, it appears that I've just wasted those few minutes after all.

[David_Nab]

So as it stands Lowton could be off on Loan , a RB brought in to replace Hutton who 2 years of been loaned out and left to train with the kids could now in last year of contract be set to return as first choice RB.

At LB we are now on the 4th one of Lambert's reign.Started with Bennett , replaced with Luna who lasted half a season before being replaced with Bertrand on Loan.Now we have Richardson brought in and Luna seemingly leaving

Now is this Lamberts fault , could he have scouted better ? Is it Lerners fault should he have released more funds..at this point the only thing for sure is its nothing short of shambolic from all involved.

[Dave]

On planet Earth no one will pay £14m quid for Steer, Lowton, Senderos, KEA and Bennett.

Apart from Lambert.

You see Dave, healthy debate. Not nonsense. The camp is split. Some of us think Lamberts signings are poor, with the odd exception, some think they are great and we'll make good profits.

If somebody is saying that we paid £14m for those players, then yes they are talking nonsense. It's a bit like me saying "we won't get the £20m back that we paid for Kieron Richardson". It's a bit of a pointless argument to have in the first place. It's not healthy debate, it's arguing about made-up numbers.

I count £7m in transfer fees for those players, and that is being extremely pessimistic. If I'm wrong, feel free to itemise out those five transfer fees for us.

Edit - tell you what:

Lowton - £1m
Steer - £1.175m
Senderos - Free
El Ahmadi - £2m
Bennett - £3m (although most reports have it at £2.5m, I'm being generous).

Tell me where you gentlemen are getting £14m from?  I won't hold my breath.

[Damo70]

Let us be honest. If any of us were manager of Aston Villa and a player annoyed us by not moving further South, what would we deem the best punishment. Obviously you send then to Middlesbrough.

[SoccerHQ]

This Lambert flak with his signings baffles me. Yes there's been a few duds (tell me a manager that dosen't buy them) but come on Benteke and Vlaar for 10m was brilliant and stands up against many premier league managers for value I'd say.

The Lambert signings flak baffles you? Honestly?

Yes because these poor signings have been on a pittance compared to say N'zogbia, Ireland, Hutton which was just shy of 25m in the McLeish era (plus Jenas on a ridiculous year long loan) and in the MON era Sidwell, Heskey, Davies, Knight, Shorey, Harewood, Beye cost just shy of 40m.

The issue has always been the dramatic cut in wages which means Lambert has to shop in the bargain basement which didn't apply to the three previous managers.

[Steve67]

Er, transfer speculation thread Dave. Different posters posting their opinions, you posting yours, me posting mine, them posting theirs. Loans, permanent transfers, whatever.  Two or more eh? Thanks for educating me. I am not in the know and have no idea if Luna, Lowton, et all are off  permanently or not. That's why we speculate. Hopefully, we make a profit!!

Go on Dave, please hold your breath. (Joke).