Transfer Speculation / Gossip

[OzVilla]

I won't get too depressed about Ki turning us down on the basis that I couldn't begin to tell you what kind of player he is or his ability. However, I'd be a bit nonplussed if Lambert doesn't have an alternative.

I think it's more indicative of what we're offering.

And where we're at as a club. You really couldn't blame anyone for not wanting to come to us at the moment,  complete uncertainty from the Boardroom to the Backroom.

I cannot see either Vlaar or Delph signing new contracts until something gets sorted ownership wise, that's even if Lerner has the gumption to offer them one, and anyone with ambition will and should run a mile from us at he moment. It's sad and I hate it.

[PaulWinch again]

We really do need new owners asap.

[Toronto Villa]

The thing about transfer gossip is that none of us really know what is true and what isn't. Like were we ever in for Ki as being suggested? The way it was initially presented was that we had talks and he was on the "verge" of signing. What if he wasn't at all and was talking to a number of clubs? It's no different to us being after Cambiasso or Delph moving to West Ham for £5m. Most of what we read is complete nonsense and not remotely close to what is actually happening behind the scenes.

[PaulWinch again]

No we don't but you can make an educated guess that we're probably not offering a lot at the moment.

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Where has this been reported?

[kippaxvilla2]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/389845/Louis-van-Gaal-set-to-implement-punishing-new-training-regime-at-Manchester-United

I know it isn't related to us but I hope even half of this true.

[godzvilla]

Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as ´shit ´..............Godzvilla !

Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!

“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!

Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.

And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !

[Gregorys Boy]

I would be well pist off of if he goes to the likes of Southampton or QPR, not at him, but at the club that they are offering him more. Shows how low we have gone. Maybe Man Ure and have to say I would not blame him at that choice, especially when he hasnt been offered a new contract it seems 

Sometimes we are guilty of falling back on the big club thing though.  Yes we are, and maybe always will be a big club, but Leeds are a big club also and look what happened to them.  Being a big club in itself is not always enough to attract top players/very good ones, or even hold on to them.   I think a lot of Footballers would think that Southampton are a better prospect than Villa right now.  I don't buy into the doom surrounding them, even if they lose all of their top players, there should still be enough in the team to keep them safe while they are rebuilding.  They might slip into mid-table this season, but I don't think they are in that much danger of actually going down, and they have the structure and the money to rebuild, it just may take some time. 

The Vlaar to Saints rumor could be rubbish, but if he did go there I don't think I would be that surprised. QPR are different, because they are pretty much in the same position as us, maybe worse.

[Ger Regan]

Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as ´shit ´..............Godzvilla !

Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!

“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!

Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.

And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !

Oh good, another poster who likes to dish it out, but cannot take anything in return.

[hilts_coolerking]

Your last couple of sentences backs up the entire point I'm making. Southampton are every bit like us at the moment. They've sold their best players and allowed their highly rated manager to walk out. Where is their ambition, and why on earth would Ron Vlaar, captain of our club, 29 years old, one of the top defenders at the WC leave one unsettled situation for another? That's precisely the point I am making. I'm not saying he won't leave. I'm saying if he does it will be a team much better off than the likes of Southampton or QPR.

Southampton are selling from a position of strength and have got plenty of money in the bank from the players that left.

QPR have got pots of cash.

Villa have been fighting relegation for three years, have an owner who wants to sell but can't, no little or no money to spend and only two or three quality players the loss of any one of whom would seriously weaken the first team.

The "likes of Southampton or QPR" is an underestimation of the advantages they have and an overestimation of our club's current state.

[Ger Regan]

Your last couple of sentences backs up the entire point I'm making. Southampton are every bit like us at the moment. They've sold their best players and allowed their highly rated manager to walk out. Where is their ambition, and why on earth would Ron Vlaar, captain of our club, 29 years old, one of the top defenders at the WC leave one unsettled situation for another? That's precisely the point I am making. I'm not saying he won't leave. I'm saying if he does it will be a team much better off than the likes of Southampton or QPR.

Southampton are selling from a position of strength and have got plenty of money in the bank from the players that left.

QPR have got pots of cash.

Villa have been fighting relegation for three years, have an owner who wants to sell but can't, no little or no money to spend and only two or three quality players the loss of any one of whom would seriously weaken the first team.

The "likes of Southampton or QPR" is an underestimation of the advantages they have and an overestimation of our club's current state.

I'm not actually sure that southampton have plenty of money, weren't they in a great deal of debt before the player sales?

EDIT: Linky. Even after the couple of big sales it's not like they're flush.

[hilts_coolerking]

I'm not actually sure that southampton have plenty of money, weren't they in a great deal of debt before the player sales?

It's a fair point; digging around, the figure seems to be about £27M.  Or, to put it another way, Luke Shaw.

ETA - That's what I mean about selling from a position of strength.  Three players gone and they've cleared their debt and paid for their new training ground.  They've got another c. £20M coming from Lovren and still have Rodriguez as an asset should they wish to cash in.  Yes they'll have to rebuild the side but they're in a position that will allow them to do that.

[Toronto Villa]

So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.

[hilts_coolerking]

So selling your best players is now being referred to as selling from a position of strength and not a lack of ambition. Just want to make sure I keep up with the spin doctors.

Put it another way TV: would you rather be in our position or Southampton's?

[godzvilla]

Only a fool would pretend " everything is rosy " at the Villa and only a fool would describe everything as ´shit ´..............Godzvilla !

Can you kindly wind it in a bit please and argue the points raised without being quite so antagonistic.

.................................Dave!

“The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
― John Paul Stevens
......................................................Godzvilla!

Nobody is stopping you from airing your views, a mod though has quite rightly asked you to tone down your antagonistic tone. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere.

And you,re telling me off for being antagonistic ? ...laughable ........Godzvilla !

Oh good, another poster who likes to dish it out, but cannot take anything in return.

I,m sorry Ger Regan but how do you figure that out  ? , or maybe you also think the entire Villa Team is shit  (?), which was the original premise of this  argument , had you cared to check .
Mr Mod , I promise this is the last from me on this topic , I,ve  lost time that I,ll never find again .................Godzvilla !