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Offline BoskoDjembaSalifou

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3750 on: July 18, 2014, 10:00:42 PM »
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3751 on: July 18, 2014, 10:03:15 PM »
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One way is to ask, would you rather start the season with Wiemann, Agbonlahor and Bent upfront, or with Crouch, Odemwingie and Walters. I know which trio I'd rather go with.


That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

Going back to what I said, I don't think its even arguable. Benteke is better than pretty much every forward in the league and miles ahead of anything else in the bottom half.



Interesting point.

What I would say to that is we must have (bar the promoted three) one of the worst midfields in the league for actually creating chances. Dosen't help we generally don't have a clue at set pieces either.

That means it's often left to the front three to create stuff themselves with their pace. On his day Gabby can do that and when on form Benteke does it every game but when it doesn't happen we just don't look like scoring.

That's what I worry about start of the season really, where are the goals coming from as apart from the Hull game we barely scored the last 8 games of the season.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3752 on: July 18, 2014, 10:03:56 PM »
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

I think that's a valid point.

It's not so much about the specific club or players, but they're showing a willingness to spend to acquire players they feel will make them better.

We, on the other hand, look like we're not spending anything.

I find it hard to imagine us spending 10m on a player in the near future, I know that much.

Spending big money on players doesn't guarantee you'll do well, but not spending it pretty much guarantees you won't.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3753 on: July 18, 2014, 10:04:48 PM »
Fulham have spent £11m on McCormack. Just because a club spends that money means nothing. How much more ambition than us did Norwich show last season? Where are they now? For Norwich also look at the amounts spent by Cardiff and Fulham over the season. More than us, and showing by your criteria Bosko, more ambition than us.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3754 on: July 18, 2014, 10:08:31 PM »
I just feel like after 3 relegation battles on the spin, we should be spending money to improve our team. Sure, it might not work, but you have a better chance of succeeding if you show a little ambition.

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« Reply #3755 on: July 18, 2014, 10:09:07 PM »
To paraphrase Clinton, "it's the midfield stupid!".

It's not a novel argument to say the midfield needs work, we've all been saying it for seasons now. We need somebody capable of shielding the back four/three and somebody capable of injecting impetus in attack. We also need a re-think in philosophy of how we treat the ball. We must learn to show patience and to probe, which involves movement, something we have struggled with.

It was promising last night to see Gardner start a move forty yards for goal and have the thought to move into space. We have good forwards, Cole and N'Zogbia offer some attacking intent for where we are at the moment, while a three at the back system allows our full/wing backs to really press on. But it counts for nothing if the midfield isn't winning the ball, keeping the ball and using it effectively.

 



Sorry Ads didn't see this post when I quoted your other one. Just reading through this thread for the first time today.

Yep our midfield is ridiculously uncreative. We just have so many average defensive minded players and hardly anyone who has a clue what to do in the central third.

It comes to something when West Ham came to VP last season in the bottom three and outplayed us in midfield. I looked at them and even though their players aren't anything special their midfield had balance e.g Noble was superb at shielding the back 4 and winning the ball and Nolan had his annual testimonial against us, the ball winner and the goalsoring midfielder. What do we have in comparison?

Same when Stoke battered us even though I think that game was one of those freak ones but still the principle applies, Glen Whelan shielding the back 4 and Nzonzi getting forward and that outplayed our middle trio.

Our midfield has been neglected for years now, only Delph is of significant top half consistant quality imo. I'm bored banging on about creativity as we just don't have the funds so will have to pin it on Joe Cole, N'zogbia and Grealish which doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3756 on: July 18, 2014, 10:10:38 PM »
That's a different question though isn't it. There are a lot of variables to consider; the Stoke three are not up to much even on their day, while Andi and Gabby's form has been poor this past season, yet we know in the case of Gabby he looks a world beater on his day. Bent scores goals and has scored probably more than the rest combined.

So Gabby, who averages about 1 in 4 for Villa is a "world beater on his day" but Crouch, who has a better than 1 in 2 ration for England is "not up to much even on his day"...?!

They've been trying to sell Crouch for the last year but it's a Heskey type scenario e.g. big earner in his 30s.

Arnautovic was the real star turn for them in the second half of the season, he was pretty good at VP from memory.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3757 on: July 18, 2014, 10:14:33 PM »
Sunderland have bought Borini for £14m. West Brom have bought Ideye Brown for £10m. My point isn't about the players, more the fact that they're showing ambition.

He's 25, has les than a 1 in 2 ratio in a crap league.  Still prefer Benteke, whos younger, has a proven goal scoring record in this league and cost £3m less.

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« Reply #3758 on: July 18, 2014, 10:17:25 PM »
They're buying Borini for 14 million but as he was there on loan last year that's not going to strengthen them.

Borini had a decent spell on loan for them but 14m is taking the p just a little bit...I'm sure Liverpool only signed him for 8m.

There's been a miscalculation somewhere I think.

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« Reply #3759 on: July 18, 2014, 10:17:33 PM »
Some random Nigerian from Dynamo Kiev who I've never heard of. But does have a decent scoring record judging by Wikipedia.

My mate txt me said he was kept out of the Nigeria team by ameobi. I'm not worried plus we don't need a striker

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3760 on: July 18, 2014, 10:21:10 PM »
Cool so Albion have signed a guy kept out of the Nigeria side for £10 million, and Sunderland have spent 14 on a striker that was ok for them on loan but really was a flop at Liverpool and were the world not insane Liverpool should have been facing a big loss on. But Sunderland have been stupid enough to pay what was asked. Hmmm. Well done Liverpool. Kozak with his 4 in 14 must be worth 12 on these prices, and Benteke has to be around 45 million.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3761 on: July 18, 2014, 10:21:29 PM »
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/borini.943380/

1st page of this thread here, Sunderland fans think 7m for him is overpriced. Something is not right with that fee.

Remember last summer when Norwich were spending 30m and "showing ambition." QPR the previous summer.

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« Reply #3762 on: July 18, 2014, 10:24:46 PM »
Ricky van Wolfswinkel cost £9m.  That's all you need to know.  I honestly dont think we need strikers once Benteke and Kozak are fit.  Now creativity that is a different matter.

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3763 on: July 18, 2014, 10:26:22 PM »
Cool so Albion have signed a guy kept out of the Nigeria side for £10 million, and Sunderland have spent 14 on a striker that was ok for them on loan but really was a flop at Liverpool and were the world not insane Liverpool should have been facing a big loss on. But Sunderland have been stupid enough to pay what was asked. Hmmm. Well done Liverpool. Kozak with his 4 in 14 must be worth 12 on these prices, and Benteke has to be around 45 million.

With those prices if Benteke comes back and scores 20 goals, then selling him next summer Lerner could probably get about a third of what he wants to sell the club for just from selling Benteke!

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Re: Transfer Speculation / Gossip - NOW WITH TROLL POLL
« Reply #3764 on: July 18, 2014, 10:27:53 PM »
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/borini.943380/

1st page of this thread here, Sunderland fans think 7m for him is overpriced. Something is not right with that fee.

Remember last summer when Norwich were spending 30m and "showing ambition." QPR the previous summer.

erm kind of what I said just a few posts earlier...

 


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