Quote from: Tuscans on May 04, 2014, 05:48:12 PMQuote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PMQuote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PMQuote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over. Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25. I can't stand the phrase, "he is an England International" intending he's class. He has 1 cap and England are a poor team. Being English and under 25 means absolutely nothing....its mentality and technical ability for me which a lot of English footballers don't have, let alone both. Why are we suggesting Caulker anyway...is Vlaar now not good enough and has Okore been forgotten?Vlaar is crocked for about 10 games a season and Okore is coming back from a horrendous injury. We need a centre half, without a shadow of a doubt. We can't have Baker starting 20 games next season.Being under 25 is a massive factor in the sense that he has a lot of development still to come and we can always sell him for a profit in the future. Its been the clubs aim over the past two years to buy younger players and improve them and Caulker fits right in that bracket.
Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 04, 2014, 05:39:27 PMQuote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PMQuote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over. Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25. I can't stand the phrase, "he is an England International" intending he's class. He has 1 cap and England are a poor team. Being English and under 25 means absolutely nothing....its mentality and technical ability for me which a lot of English footballers don't have, let alone both. Why are we suggesting Caulker anyway...is Vlaar now not good enough and has Okore been forgotten?
Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2014, 04:46:54 PMQuote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over. Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.Come on now, you can't point out those two signings and act like that is the going rate on centre backs. Varane (who was £9m) was only that cheap because he was running out his contract and was only ever going to sign for Real Madrid. Pique was a flop at United and he too was only interested in going back to Barca. Both revelations but Villa could never have signed them.When it comes to Caulker, he's 22, an England international, captained Cardiff and is a menace at corners. I don't think you can get any better for £8-10m, especially for a centre half under 25.
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.no way at that price, Id avoid Caulker like the plague this summer to be honest. Dawson at half the price would be better. For 8m we should be getting an established European international defender not Caulker.Raphael Varane signed for Real for about 6m stg. Pique cost Barcelona 5m. The days of clubs like ours overpaying for average British players like Caulker is surely over. Signing him for that price would bring back memories of signing Curtis Davies with arguably the same net result imo.
I think Caulker is a bit overrated.Every time i see Cardiff, there defence is all over the place.I think hes ok, but not worth £8m imho.
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PMNobody is saying Caulker is world class but he's vastly better than Baker and Clark.That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.I thought he was quite poor yesterday, only one game I know, did you see him?
Nobody is saying Caulker is world class but he's vastly better than Baker and Clark.That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
No thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.
That said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:08:12 PMNo thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.I'd take Hangeland, I really don't think Fulham's season is down to him
Quote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PMThat said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?
I'd take Sidders back for a year
Quote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:14:04 PMQuote from: enigma on May 04, 2014, 07:31:54 PMThat said, I'd take Curtis Davis back ahead of any of them. He's improved beyond all recognition to the player we once had.You mean Curtis Davis the worst defender by a long way on the pitch yesterday?I'm judging him on his performances over a season, not just one game. he's been one of the best centre backs in the league this season.
Quote from: Malandro on May 04, 2014, 08:11:45 PMQuote from: olaftab on May 04, 2014, 08:08:12 PMNo thanks as far as players from relegated teams are concerned.I'd take Hangeland, I really don't think Fulham's season is down to himP33 next month, injury prone, snail like slow. bringing him in would make the Given deal seem good value