Transfer Speculation / Gossip

[ADVILLAFAN]

Not to mention the off field incident with Cowans....

[supertom]

Not to mention the off field incident with Cowans....

Yep he was also out with Delph and Herd on the razz when a bit of trouble kicked off. Herd seemed as if he'd had a few too many, but never-the-less as a senior member of the squad, Collins should have been leading by example, and certainly wasn't. He was nowhere near good enough on the pitch to overlook some of the stuff he got up to off the pitch.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

I love the "he's Villa through and through" argument. Does that really matter when discussing the merits of paid employees?

[Toronto Villa]

Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

[supertom]

I love the "he's Villa through and through" argument. Does that really matter when discussing the merits of paid employees?

Only if you're comparing two very similar players, like Baker and Collins for example. I would say Bakers heart is in it more and he'll give you far more desire than you'd get from a mercenary like Collins. In 2-3 years time with more experience on his shoulders he'll be better than Collins (if he's not already). That still doesn't necessarily mean he's good enough to be a first choice for us by any means, but that's another matter.

[supertom]

Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

Fair point.

Have we signed Juninho yet?

[mr underhill]

no but Ravanelli is in the bag

[Eckybloke]

no but Ravanelli is in the bag

Not from my sources.  The Italian we're getting is Christian Vieri.

[Concrete John]

Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

[Holte L2]

Collins would put at least one rick in a game.  Better than Baker?  Piss off.  Baker doesnt have issues with other players off the pitch, is Villa through and through, looks like he cares, is equally as good at defending as Collins and passes the ball better. (Not too hard to "Collins looks up, pretending to see some space, and hoofs it up to opposition centre half/opposition goalie/favourite ball boy of the day (delete as applicable)"  Its like the law of injured players.  The longer they are out the better they were perceived to be.  One good season with Collins was tarnished for me by huge wages for a guy that was average at best and a bloody trouble maker

Villa Through and Through?? The same Nathan Baker that was caught selling Cup Final tickets to fans for £250.00?

[MoetVillan]

I should add Villa through and through meant coming through the youth system.  Dont get me wrong I love new players coming in, but honestly I get more excited about seeing players coming through from our own system.  They have put time and effort into being a Villa player rather than who waves the biggest cheque.  Kissing the badge is something that means something to such a player, not a gone tomorrow high wage guy thats just picking up the paycheque.  They just mean more to me.  It may mean absolutely nothing in terms of points, goals, goals conceded, skill etc, but there you go.  I buy british meat as I trust it more, and im lucky enough to work with a lot of british farmers.  Doesnt mean its any better for me, or taste better.  (Insert more relvant analogy as you see fit)

[Toronto Villa]

Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.

[villa `cross the mersey]

no but Ravanelli is in the bag

That sounds like an awful ready made meal you get for a quid, from Iceland

[peter w]

Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.

If it helps, a million goes nowhere near as far as it did even 20 years ago.

[Toronto Villa]

Why are we dicussing Collins anyway? He's a non entity in the history of the game and ultimately just an average PL centre back who won't be remembered a minute after he retires.

All true, yet when that day does come for him to hang up the boots he'll be a millionaire many times over.

Makes you sick, doesn't it?

It does, but it is why I don't even think about it any more than I do about movie actors who are horrible yet walk away with big pay days because the movie they are in does well. It's par for the course unfortunately in football and as bad as they are, they have all made it through the thousands and thousands who tried and failed into an industry that pays way above what it should.

If it helps, a million goes nowhere near as far as it did even 20 years ago.

yes, so I hear, though I'd happy to be a tester to that theory