The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[aj2k77]

But right here and right now a centre forward that cost £1m quid and wages who is likely to never play for us again and scored 1 goal has surely got to be considered a waste of cash, no matter what the circumstances?

Bennett, may do this or may do that, but what he has done has been poor.

Okore looks like he will develop in to a better player but does have concentration issues right now but generally looks to be ok.

I'm sure they all have potential but I'm only giving an opinion on what they've given us so far. I'd say there was more of a debate over if someone like Westwood could be considered a success or just Ok.

[Risso]

You're right.

But rather than concede this point, his enemies use his cheap and cheerful buys as a distraction from his very good purchases.

His bad buys far, far outweigh his good ones.

I agree with Risso. You can argue in his defence that they were relatively cheap but it still adds up to a lot of quids wasted.

I'd say that the biggest list would be signings that were just 'alright'. There have been a few unqualified successes and a few complete failures. Most would fall somewhere in between.

I don't think there haven't been any "unqualified" successes.  Even Benteke, who was superb in his first season, has been hugely disappointing this season.

[Malandro]

We've gone from buying expensive players on high wages that are hard to get rid of to punts on unknown players on high wages that are impossible to get rid of.

I'm not sure which was the more damaging

[PeterWithesShin]

There are maybe 6 or 7 that would fall into the "failure" category, and their fees and wages combined will probably be less than a Warnock. I doubt there are many managers in the world who have signed 20+ players and half a dozen of them haven't been failures.

[PeterWithesShin]

We've gone from buying expensive players on high wages that are hard to get rid of to punts on unknown players on high wages that are impossible to get rid of.

I'm not sure which was the more damaging

I doubt many, if any, of the "failures" were/are on much more than 20K a week which may seem a fortune to us but is nothing in the modern game. KEA is probably the only one and we got rid of him easy enough. And even he I would say was more "meh" than failure.

[olaftab]

Bad tactics, lack of leadership, players without bottle and a general stink around the club.

OK other than that he wasn't too bad?

[Dave]

I don't think there haven't been any "unqualified" successes.  Even Benteke, who was superb in his first season, has been hugely disappointing this season.

He has been disappointing this season, but he has still been a complete success as a transfer.

[saunders_heroes]

He also signed Jordan Bowery who was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think there haven't been any "unqualified" successes.  Even Benteke, who was superb in his first season, has been hugely disappointing this season.

He has been disappointing this season, but he has still been a complete success as a transfer.

82 appearances, 38 goals.

As near as dammit to a one in two striker, one who cost us peanuts and who we could easily sell for 5 times as much as he cost us if we wanted.

That's absolutely a success by any measure.

[pauliewalnuts]

He also signed Jordan Bowery who was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him.

He signed some who worked, some who didn't.

Lambert was a disaster as a manager and we should have binned him ages ago, but his transfer record was pretty good.

[saunders_heroes]

He also signed Jordan Bowery who was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him.

He signed some who worked, some who didn't.

Lambert was a disaster as a manager and we should have binned him ages ago, but his transfer record was pretty good.

I don't agree with that. He signed some of the poorest players I've ever seen at this club.

[Ad@m]

I don't think there haven't been any "unqualified" successes.  Even Benteke, who was superb in his first season, has been hugely disappointing this season.

He has been disappointing this season, but he has still been a complete success as a transfer.

82 appearances, 38 goals.

As near as dammit to a one in two striker, one who cost us peanuts and who we could easily sell for 5 times as much as he cost us if we wanted.

That's absolutely a success by any measure.

I agree he's a been a success but I think your numbers are wrong.  I thought the general view was that he cost us £8m, which isn't exactly peanuts, and if we were to try to sell him now I don't think anyone would pay more than £20m for him given his injury record to date.

[Dave]

I don't think anyone would pay more than £20m for him given his injury record to date.

We're working in a market place though where Shane Long costs £12m, Danny Wellbeck costs £16m and Romelu Lukaku costs £28m. I agree we probably wouldn't get £35m if we decided to sell, but I bet we'd get a fair bit more than £20m.

[Toronto Villa]

I don't think there haven't been any "unqualified" successes.  Even Benteke, who was superb in his first season, has been hugely disappointing this season.

He has been disappointing this season, but he has still been a complete success as a transfer.

82 appearances, 38 goals.

As near as dammit to a one in two striker, one who cost us peanuts and who we could easily sell for 5 times as much as he cost us if we wanted.

That's absolutely a success by any measure.

And factor in he's missed a good number of games through a serious injury, come back in record time and played in one of the most conservative, choking, stifling offensive systems in PL history that's still a great return. He's been a resounding success. And as for Lambert's transfers I would sooner judge them playing for the current manager in a system that allows them to express themselves than anything from the precious 6-7 months. On the whole, in my opinion, almost all of his buys not from the charity bucket have been good to very good.

[dave.woodhall]

He also signed Jordan Bowery who was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him.

He signed some who worked, some who didn't.

Lambert was a disaster as a manager and we should have binned him ages ago, but his transfer record was pretty good.

I don't agree with that. He signed some of the poorest players I've ever seen at this club.

You could say that about every manager.