The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[dave.woodhall]

Anyone hear 5 live. Host and Danny mills both agreed that Lambert was a good manager!

 I heard that. Talking utter utter shite.

I heard a bit of Danny Kelly's show on TalkShite, and all his token thick pundit Danny Higginbotham could offer was some guff about "when I was at Stoke we knew if we could keep it tight then the Villa fans would soon start getting restless. Every opposition manager knows that".  So there you go everyone, stop griping about Lambert's tactics and his record, it's actually all our fault. Imagine how silly I feel.  (Kelly also thinks Agbonlahor is "good".  Funny, it's almost as if they haven't actually seen us play recently.)

That's the O'Leary factor still lingering.

[PeterWithesShin]

Does Swansea away count as playing in Europe?

[Rudy65]

Stoke are 7 points ahead of us.

How many Stoke players would you swop for ours? Shawcross maybe, but not many more. The point is the squad is half decent the manager is not.

Lambert is the real problem

[Damo70]

Spend the Tom Cleverly money on changing the Manager.

I was leaning towards making Cleverly manager and sticking Lambert in midfield.

[ozzjim]

Stoke are 7 points ahead of us.

How many Stoke players would you swop for ours? Shawcross maybe, but not many more. The point is the squad is half decent the manager is not.

Lambert is the real problem

We have a top 8 spine, but the players around the spine are largely fucking terrible. However, the manager is the most tactically inept I can recall, that stretches back to 89-90 which is the first season I really remember the way we played.

He has gone from a bold attacking manager to a lost, totally at sea one.

A strong assistant with a real tactical plan would probably save him, but he is too fucking scared to appoint one as they might show up how abysmal he is as a manager.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

Anyone hear 5 live. Host and Danny mills both agreed that Lambert was a good manager!

 I heard that. Talking utter utter shite.

I heard a bit of Danny Kelly's show on TalkShite, and all his token thick pundit Danny Higginbotham could offer was some guff about "when I was at Stoke we knew if we could keep it tight then the Villa fans would soon start getting restless. Every opposition manager knows that".  So there you go everyone, stop griping about Lambert's tactics and his record, it's actually all our fault. Imagine how silly I feel.  (Kelly also thinks Agbonlahor is "good".  Funny, it's almost as if they haven't actually seen us play recently.)

That's the O'Leary factor still lingering.

Definitely.  I'm amazed that that stupid, baseless remark continues to have repercussions after all this time, but it clearly does. If only certain pundits were as happy to scrutinise our recent record as they are to build a lazy opinion round a nine year-old dubious quote.

[Jimbo]

It's shit right now and Lerner has done some fuckups. But does anyone really believe he is prepared to write off, what, £50-100m?, just to spite a few fans? Hard to guess what getting relegated would cost him, value of the club etc.

No, of course not, but that's really just a bit of a distraction. No, we haven't just been relegated to division three, but things are pretty grim all the same.

Is he vindictive? No.

Is he utterly clueless and incapable of even identifying a problem, let alone showing a willingness or ability to fix it? It looks like it, yes.

So we're agreed then *winky*

In the sense that he's not doing it through vindictiveness, yes, that would make no sense.

With Lerner it just looks more and more like rank stupidity.

It may be stupidity, but wasn't Lerner a lawyer? I don't think we can put all of this down to stupidity. I've suspected for a while now that Randy might not be well - his increasing detachment, his unwillingness to face reality, his bizarre public statements, the reclusiveness and irresponsibility. How can he not see what a mess he's making of things? Surely he's not that stupid? Something's not right.

[pauliewalnuts]

Anyone hear 5 live. Host and Danny mills both agreed that Lambert was a good manager!

 I heard that. Talking utter utter shite.

I heard a bit of Danny Kelly's show on TalkShite, and all his token thick pundit Danny Higginbotham could offer was some guff about "when I was at Stoke we knew if we could keep it tight then the Villa fans would soon start getting restless. Every opposition manager knows that".  So there you go everyone, stop griping about Lambert's tactics and his record, it's actually all our fault. Imagine how silly I feel.  (Kelly also thinks Agbonlahor is "good".  Funny, it's almost as if they haven't actually seen us play recently.)

That's the O'Leary factor still lingering.

Definitely.  I'm amazed that that stupid, baseless remark continues to have repercussions after all this time, but it clearly does. If only certain pundits were as happy to scrutinise our recent record as they are to build a lazy opinion round a nine year-old dubious quote.

It isn't just us, though.

I noticed during the Pardew reign, Newcastle fans got very similar treatment. "They hate him because he's a cockney, they'll only accept a Geordie manager" all that shit. I don't really care one way or another for Newcastle, but that must have been annoying as fuck.

Basically, in this country, if you don't support a club either amongst the usual CL place contenders, or a London club, you're effectively a piece of shit who deserves everything you get.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's shit right now and Lerner has done some fuckups. But does anyone really believe he is prepared to write off, what, £50-100m?, just to spite a few fans? Hard to guess what getting relegated would cost him, value of the club etc.

No, of course not, but that's really just a bit of a distraction. No, we haven't just been relegated to division three, but things are pretty grim all the same.

Is he vindictive? No.

Is he utterly clueless and incapable of even identifying a problem, let alone showing a willingness or ability to fix it? It looks like it, yes.

So we're agreed then *winky*

In the sense that he's not doing it through vindictiveness, yes, that would make no sense.

With Lerner it just looks more and more like rank stupidity.

It may be stupidity, but wasn't Lerner a lawyer? I don't think we can put all of this down to stupidity. I've suspected for a while now that Randy might not be well - his increasing detachment, his unwillingness to face reality, his bizarre public statements, the reclusiveness and irresponsibility. How can he not see what a mess he's making of things? Surely he's not that stupid? Something's not right.

That Shunnamite thing was frankly nuts.

[OzVilla]

The Shunnamite comment was straight out of the Blues book of comedy quotes.

Not sure whose the most delusional, Lerner or Lambert.

[aj2k77]

Anyone hear 5 live. Host and Danny mills both agreed that Lambert was a good manager!

 I heard that. Talking utter utter shite.

I heard a bit of Danny Kelly's show on TalkShite, and all his token thick pundit Danny Higginbotham could offer was some guff about "when I was at Stoke we knew if we could keep it tight then the Villa fans would soon start getting restless. Every opposition manager knows that".  So there you go everyone, stop griping about Lambert's tactics and his record, it's actually all our fault. Imagine how silly I feel.  (Kelly also thinks Agbonlahor is "good".  Funny, it's almost as if they haven't actually seen us play recently.)

That's the O'Leary factor still lingering.

Definitely.  I'm amazed that that stupid, baseless remark continues to have repercussions after all this time, but it clearly does. If only certain pundits were as happy to scrutinise our recent record as they are to build a lazy opinion round a nine year-old dubious quote.

A comment made by a manager that hasn't been employed by another football team since, it's not like it was a remark by one of footballs most respected and level headed men it was David O'Fuckwit a gobshite who spent untold millions at Leeds and then released a book about their scummy players to make £££ of the backs of their chav behaviours.

[Jimbo]

You made the point earlier about his detachment, that he was detached from the club, and Lambert was detached from reality. I think Lerner is the one who's detached from reality, and Lambert is winging it for as long as he can - he won't quit, especially not on his salary, and certainly not when he can always point to the 'difficult conditions' he's had to work under. And yet, he's utterly clueless as to how to turn this around. It's a nightmare scenario. Randy has to act.

[KevinGage]

Anyone hear 5 live. Host and Danny mills both agreed that Lambert was a good manager!

 I heard that. Talking utter utter shite.

I heard a bit of Danny Kelly's show on TalkShite, and all his token thick pundit Danny Higginbotham could offer was some guff about "when I was at Stoke we knew if we could keep it tight then the Villa fans would soon start getting restless. Every opposition manager knows that".  So there you go everyone, stop griping about Lambert's tactics and his record, it's actually all our fault. Imagine how silly I feel.  (Kelly also thinks Agbonlahor is "good".  Funny, it's almost as if they haven't actually seen us play recently.)

That's the O'Leary factor still lingering.

Definitely.  I'm amazed that that stupid, baseless remark continues to have repercussions after all this time, but it clearly does. If only certain pundits were as happy to scrutinise our recent record as they are to build a lazy opinion round a nine year-old dubious quote.

It isn't just us, though.

I noticed during the Pardew reign, Newcastle fans got very similar treatment. "They hate him because he's a cockney, they'll only accept a Geordie manager" all that shit. I don't really care one way or another for Newcastle, but that must have been annoying as fuck.

Basically, in this country, if you don't support a club either amongst the usual CL place contenders, or a London club, you're effectively a piece of shit who deserves everything you get.

That's absolutely right.

Look how much publicity a nondescript outfit like West Ham get.

[aj2k77]

The Shunnamite comment was straight out of the Blues book of comedy quotes.

Not sure whose the most delusional, Lerner or Lambert.

It sounded really amateur and just a little bit mentalist. Which worried me more.

[dave.woodhall]

Anyone hear 5 live. Host and Danny mills both agreed that Lambert was a good manager!

 I heard that. Talking utter utter shite.

I heard a bit of Danny Kelly's show on TalkShite, and all his token thick pundit Danny Higginbotham could offer was some guff about "when I was at Stoke we knew if we could keep it tight then the Villa fans would soon start getting restless. Every opposition manager knows that".  So there you go everyone, stop griping about Lambert's tactics and his record, it's actually all our fault. Imagine how silly I feel.  (Kelly also thinks Agbonlahor is "good".  Funny, it's almost as if they haven't actually seen us play recently.)

That's the O'Leary factor still lingering.

Definitely.  I'm amazed that that stupid, baseless remark continues to have repercussions after all this time, but it clearly does. If only certain pundits were as happy to scrutinise our recent record as they are to build a lazy opinion round a nine year-old dubious quote.

It isn't just us, though.

I noticed during the Pardew reign, Newcastle fans got very similar treatment. "They hate him because he's a cockney, they'll only accept a Geordie manager" all that shit. I don't really care one way or another for Newcastle, but that must have been annoying as fuck.

Basically, in this country, if you don't support a club either amongst the usual CL place contenders, or a London club, you're effectively a piece of shit who deserves everything you get.

WSC once said that the media/ad agencies have two types of football supporters - the metrosexual whose role model is David Beckham and the sad bloke who sits on his sofa wearing a replica shirt and eating crisps. The former supports Arsenal (or Chelsea, possibly Liverpool if he thinks the others are a bit too obvious) and is respected, the latter is a Stripey who gets patted on the head a lot.

Talking of WSC, let's lighten it up a bit. http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy