The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Steve67]

Heard Lambert finally getting some stick today on talkshite. About bloody time.

[Villa in Denmark]

I watched that interview with Lambert that was linked a few pages back, where the I don't dwell on defeats quote came from.
If you're one of the few who weren't convinced he's out of his depth, then that should push you over the edge.  The quote is even worse taken in context.

He learned not to dwell on defeats as part of the Dortmund team, as that's what they did as players in his time there. Regardless of outcome it was straight onto the next game (what's German for we go again?)

Well that's fine when you're surrounded by world class players playing in a system that works with a top coach who does all that tiresome analysis and tweaking for you.  That self belief and confidence is what lets you achieve.

When you're scratching about the arse end of the table, and the evidence points to a system that isn't working then I'm sorry you should be dwelling on it.  Especially when you're the bloody manager who's paid handsomely to sort this shit out.

I think we saw that not dwelling on stuff, absolute belief in the approach reach it's high point at the back end of the first season.

I don't think the basic approach has changed in all the intervening time, but I suspect that the players confidence, in themselves, what they're asked to do and in Labert himself has become ever more brittle, which is why when they get into a rut or something goes against them, collapse is inevitable.

I wonder if the presence of Keane did have a positive effect at the start of the season and inject a bit of self belief, but as soon as the luck started to turn, it was like Dumbo losing his magic feather.

I think I read someone post the other day about the trouble with "next big thing" managers is they don't know how to react when things start to go wrong, and I think that that's exactly what we're seeing here.

Someone who experienced his greatest success in an environment where belief in the systems and methods employed was absolute, who was taught not to dwell on defeat.  Someone who had until 2 1/2 years had ago experienced nothing but instant success with the same approach.  Suddenly he's in a situation where it's not going well, but toughs out the first year with the same almost belligerent "there's no need to question what we're doing" approach, and actually ends the year looking quite good.  Further fuel to the fire unfortunately.

I don't the basic approach had changed over the last 2 and a bit seasons.  What has changed is players confidence in what they're doing and their belief in what they're doing. They are dwelling on things because they're shellshocked from getting their arses handed to them pretty much every week.

[eamonn]

Heard Lambert finally getting some stick today on talkshite. About bloody time.

Link please.

[silhillvilla]

I'm not ashamed to say it, I'd take a loss tomorrow if it got him the boot

Yeah I kind of get where you are coming from. Danger is if we draw under Lerner that buys him 6 months, a win his 4 year deal is extended to 7.

[WestleyArmsAV]

I'm not ashamed to say it, I'd take a loss tomorrow if it got him the boot

Yeah I kind of get where you are coming from. Danger is if we draw under Lerner that buys him 6 months, a win his 4 year deal is extended to 7.

Truly shocking words.

I hope if he gets the sack we get TSM back.

[Taylor]

Paul lambert is going nowhere. Lerner gave him a four year deal, sacking him would cost a fortune. Sorry boys, but we've got to put up with this shite for a long while yet. Relegation is the only salvation.

[Steve67]

Relegation might see the price lowered to a more attractive proposition for prospective buyers, absolutely shite for the fans though and just not acceptable under any circumstances.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

I hope if he gets the sack we get TSM back.

Why?

[silhillvilla]

Haven't Dafabet pulled the plug on us ? Once Tom Fox realises we can't get sponsors maybe he will demand change ?

[WestleyArmsAV]

I hope if he gets the sack we get TSM back.

Why?

My comment is as logical as "fans" wanting us to lose a football match and get relegated.

I will enjoy my day out at Upton Park tomorrow, myself and 2,500 others who want us to win a game of football.

[ChicagoLion]

Better fan than you alert.

[Des Little]

Haven't Dafabet pulled the plug on us ? Once Tom Fox realises we can't get sponsors maybe he will demand change ?

I think watching us lose every pissing week may have a bigger impact. Well I live in hope it does anyway.

[WestleyArmsAV]

Better fan than you alert.

Simply stating I will enjoy my day out at the match tomorrow, think there is a touch of transatlantic paranoia there mate.

[WestleyArmsAV]

Haven't Dafabet pulled the plug on us ? Once Tom Fox realises we can't get sponsors maybe he will demand change ?

I think watching us lose every pissing week may have a bigger impact. Well I live in hope it does anyway.

I'm sure we beat Liverpool and Hull, and drew with Newcastle?

[ChicagoLion]

Better fan than you alert.

Simply stating I will enjoy my day out at the match tomorrow, think there is a touch of transatlantic paranoia there mate.

I sincerely hope you enjoy your day, UTV