The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

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With Moyes it would be a case of "you know all that hard work you did at Everton over the past 10 years? Well we've got a real treat for you here David!"

[sirlordbaltimore]

It beggars belief to me that he's still even here this season never mind been given a new contract on top

He must have some incredible dirt on Randy or something

I've never disliked a Villa manager this much in all my years. And i mean that as a football manager and how he comes across in the media. Away from it all he might be a lovely bloke. Not that that matters one bit of course

[Monty]

I wouldn't want to be stuck with Moyes. He looks to me like a manager whose ideas are on the way out, and got through the last five years at Everton by sheer stability (a very underrated thing). However, in the age of the Pochettino and the Rodgers, I don't think there's any excuse for Villa to just keep employing managers who learned their tactics in the f***ing SPL, every time, over and over again. Is there nobody more interesting in the world?

[claret and blue blood]

The challenge facing our club is indeed as big as the one we faced in. In 1967.
We have lost our status as a big club and even to get to the level of teams like Southampton will take years of hard work by a forward looking manager.Many of our fellow fans have given up and the air of quiet resignation stinks the place out.
Sack Lambert now Lerner or there will be no-one bothered to read your next club statement.

[itbrvilla]

I wouldn't want to be stuck with Moyes. He looks to me like a manager whose ideas are on the way out, and got through the last five years at Everton by sheer stability (a very underrated thing). However, in the age of the Pochettino and the Rodgers, I don't think there's any excuse for Villa to just keep employing managers who learned their tactics in the f***ing SPL, every time, over and over again. Is there nobody more interesting in the world?

I agree with you regarding Moyes.  I just dont get the appeal (except when compared to Lambert).

[PaulWinch again]

Lambert needs to throw caution to the wind this weekend. We're getting appalling results and playing poor football, what is there to lose? We need to try attacking for a change.

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This is it, I think people would be a lot more willing to accept our position and how poor we have been if we had been poor, but in an entertaining and cavalier way.

Swansea are just as rubbish as us, but they play far more attractive football which covers a multitude of sins.

[Walmley_Villa]

Lambert needs to throw caution to the wind this weekend. We're getting appalling results and playing poor football, what is there to lose? We need to try attacking for a change.

He'll never do it - will go into the McLeish like shell persona and try and get a draw, followed by celebrations if he gets it. Watching CB last night and his lack of fitness I would bring him off the bench on Sunday. Unfortunately Lambert will play him on his own up front with no service.

[barrysleftfoot]

 Thing about Moyes though Monty, he generally buys good players, relatively cheaply, and Everton did play some good football under Moyes, and to be frank, i haven't seen any good football since BFR.

 I'd be happy with Moyes, not so much Pulis, barring them 2 i would go for McLaren, but PLs time to go has come.

[pauliewalnuts]

This is it, I think people would be a lot more willing to accept our position and how poor we have been if we had been poor, but in an entertaining and cavalier way.

Yup.

See Lambert's first season. Or chunks of it, at least.

[Monty]

Lambert buys good players quite cheap as well. Everton played decent stuff, but the Evertonians I know say the step-up in style under Martinez has been enormous. His idea of football is roughly the same as Lambert's, he likes to boof it to a big guy, and he thinks of defence first and above all else.

He's a better manager than Lambert, but I am so sick of watching Villa play football from the 1970s. It's as if we think that, if we play a style of football from that decade, we'll be as successful as we were then. Enough boofing, enough dour Scots trading off a national reputation for great managers which hasn't really been true for a while now, enough from the Britisher old boys network where a manager will hop from job to job between stints on the MOTD sofa next to Robbie Savage, enough 'defence-first' football, enough obsessing with crosses and target men, enough mistrust of attacking midfielders ('number tens, I call them'), enough old-fashioned tactics from the worst tactical nation in world football (or nations, to include all of Britain).

Villa have been a meat-and-two-veg side for far too long now. It's time we grew up, and dragged ourselves into the right century.

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From February to May in his first season, it was pretty terrifying. We were bat shit crazy, scoring a few, conceding a few, but generally playing like a virus swarming over the opposition.

We have better players now in the squad, yet we don't press the opposition or stretch the opposition. I am not saying it was vintage stuff, far from it, but there was a certain "are you not entertained?!" quality to it.

[Clampy]

The only thing slightly putting me off Moyes is that's it's possibly more of the same, another dour Scotsman. Don't get me wrong, i've nothing against the Scottish at all and he'd probably do a better job than Lambert but I see what Southampton have tried to do. They could have played safe when Pochettino (or whatever his name is) left but they brought Koeman in and they're playing some good stuff. Maybe we should try a different approach next time.

[rob_bridge]

Totally unfathonable:

First we hire a manager to do the job who has a history of heart trouble. Heart trouble, no less. Someone way way past his best.

Then we hire a manager with an appalling recent record, coupled with a propensity to play dire turgid football. Out of date - a dinosaur before his  time. He lived up to it.

Then we offer a bright young thing the gig. Most us approved. 2 years of 'Grand Old Duke of York' approach coupled with some (too many) of the most miserable days as a Villa fan in the last 40 years and he get an extension. Four Years.

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I'd be more inclined to go for something radical and new; O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert, all cheeks of the same arse.

I think we actually have a reasonable squad capable of 12th-9th; there is no reason why the football cannot be improved. I am resigned to Lambert and his fearful approach never changing.