The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Toronto Villa]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

[dave.woodhall]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

He was the first choice. Trust me on this one.   

[Irish villain]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

He was the first choice. Trust me on this one.   

Bullet dodged.

[mike]

I'm just deeply unconvinced that he's any good. I don't buy the fact that we're mid table being relevant when we're actually closer in terms of points difference to 20th than 9th. We might finish tenth at best, at worst we could be much lower. I don't buy the austerity/early days in a big project argument when we are only a point ahead of big spenders Hull and two ahead of Norwich.

I am genuinely interested to know what those who support Lambert see as his strong points. Tactics, motivation, talent spotting? I just can't see anything that good about him, and I'm not being revisionist, I never have done.

[mike]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

He was the first choice. Trust me on this one.   

So presumably he turned us down and then signed for a Cardiff team in utter disarray with a mad chairman. Bullet dodged indeed.

[dave.woodhall]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

He was the first choice. Trust me on this one.   

So presumably he turned us down and then signed for a Cardiff team in utter disarray with a mad chairman. Bullet dodged indeed.

I daresay Sir Graham turned down better prospects than a freefalling, riven-apart second division club. Sometimes the time has to be right.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'm just deeply unconvinced that he's any good. I don't buy the fact that we're mid table being relevant when we're actually closer in terms of points difference to 20th than 9th. We might finish tenth at best, at worst we could be much lower. I don't buy the austerity/early days in a big project argument when we are only a point ahead of big spenders Hull and two ahead of Norwich.

I am genuinely interested to know what those who support Lambert see as his strong points. Tactics, motivation, talent spotting? I just can't see anything that good about him, and I'm not being revisionist, I never have done.

Probably worth mentioning both Hull and Norwich have spent more than us on transfers this season.

[rob_bridge]

I'm just deeply unconvinced that he's any good. I don't buy the fact that we're mid table being relevant when we're actually closer in terms of points difference to 20th than 9th. We might finish tenth at best, at worst we could be much lower. I don't buy the austerity/early days in a big project argument when we are only a point ahead of big spenders Hull and two ahead of Norwich.

I am genuinely interested to know what those who support Lambert see as his strong points. Tactics, motivation, talent spotting? I just can't see anything that good about him, and I'm not being revisionist, I never have done.

Probably worth mentioning both Hull and Norwich have spent more than us on transfers this season.

And probably substantially less on overall wages.

[Monty]

I think that Lambert's strong points are finding unlikely pearls in the gooey oysters of the lesser leagues, galvanising young players for big games, and reactive tactics, specifically counter-attacking and planning for the opposition's key players. His weaknesses I think I've gone into at amazingly tedious length elsewhere, but his strengths do deserve a mention, because I think too often both the pro- and anti-Lambert camps are guilty of failing to acknowledge the subtler points against their arguments.

[supertom]

I'm just deeply unconvinced that he's any good. I don't buy the fact that we're mid table being relevant when we're actually closer in terms of points difference to 20th than 9th. We might finish tenth at best, at worst we could be much lower. I don't buy the austerity/early days in a big project argument when we are only a point ahead of big spenders Hull and two ahead of Norwich.

I am genuinely interested to know what those who support Lambert see as his strong points. Tactics, motivation, talent spotting? I just can't see anything that good about him, and I'm not being revisionist, I never have done.

Probably worth mentioning both Hull and Norwich have spent more than us on transfers this season.

And probably substantially less on overall wages.

Not entirely sure about that. Our wage bill, for some reason, still appears to be quite high. Of course we've still got Given, Hutton, Zogbia, Bent and a few others to shift. Albrighton and Delfouneso are earning a fair wedge but will be out of contract.
Right now though I'd say our wage bill overall if probably significantly higher than both Norwich and Hull.

I'd be curious if some statto has the figures about where our wage bill ranks in the top flight at the moment.

[Clampy]

Tactically he can be sometimes a little naïve and leave you scratching your head (Albrighton behind the strikers last week for one).

[rob_bridge]

I'm just deeply unconvinced that he's any good. I don't buy the fact that we're mid table being relevant when we're actually closer in terms of points difference to 20th than 9th. We might finish tenth at best, at worst we could be much lower. I don't buy the austerity/early days in a big project argument when we are only a point ahead of big spenders Hull and two ahead of Norwich.

I am genuinely interested to know what those who support Lambert see as his strong points. Tactics, motivation, talent spotting? I just can't see anything that good about him, and I'm not being revisionist, I never have done.

Probably worth mentioning both Hull and Norwich have spent more than us on transfers this season.

And probably substantially less on overall wages.

Not entirely sure about that. Our wage bill, for some reason, still appears to be quite high. Of course we've still got Given, Hutton, Zogbia, Bent and a few others to shift. Albrighton and Delfouneso are earning a fair wedge but will be out of contract.
Right now though I'd say our wage bill overall if probably significantly higher than both Norwich and Hull.

I'd be curious if some statto has the figures about where our wage bill ranks in the top flight at the moment.

I'd suggest our overall wages are a lot more than Hull or Norwich. We have a £10m start on most clubs.

[supertom]

I'm just deeply unconvinced that he's any good. I don't buy the fact that we're mid table being relevant when we're actually closer in terms of points difference to 20th than 9th. We might finish tenth at best, at worst we could be much lower. I don't buy the austerity/early days in a big project argument when we are only a point ahead of big spenders Hull and two ahead of Norwich.

I am genuinely interested to know what those who support Lambert see as his strong points. Tactics, motivation, talent spotting? I just can't see anything that good about him, and I'm not being revisionist, I never have done.

Probably worth mentioning both Hull and Norwich have spent more than us on transfers this season.

And probably substantially less on overall wages.

Not entirely sure about that. Our wage bill, for some reason, still appears to be quite high. Of course we've still got Given, Hutton, Zogbia, Bent and a few others to shift. Albrighton and Delfouneso are earning a fair wedge but will be out of contract.
Right now though I'd say our wage bill overall if probably significantly higher than both Norwich and Hull.

I'd be curious if some statto has the figures about where our wage bill ranks in the top flight at the moment.

I'd suggest our overall wages are a lot more than Hull or Norwich. We have a £10m start on most clubs.

Sorry I misread what you'd written before sir. But yes. Undoubtedly, our wages are way more than Hull etc. That said we've been been in the Prem every season since it's inception (when it became all about money) so it'll take a fair while for some clubs to get parity with us as our wage bill drops and theirs rise.

[pauliewalnuts]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

He was the first choice. Trust me on this one.   

So presumably he turned us down and then signed for a Cardiff team in utter disarray with a mad chairman. Bullet dodged indeed.

Except he didn't. He joined Cardiff a year later.

He expressed an interest in our job, was effusive when talking about it in the media, then the bloke who was funding Molde said "If you go now, I am pulling the plug entirely on the club".

I can understand him not taking our job under those circumstances. You make it sound like we interviewed him and he said "No, ta" then immediately went off to work for Vincent Tan.

[pauliewalnuts]

The private jet is only a story because somebody found out about it. Had nobody known about the jet bit the story itself would never have become what it did. It would have been just about us meeting one of a number of potential managers for the club and we might have found about it or we might not have.

He was the first choice. Trust me on this one.   

Bullet dodged.

I'm not too sure about that.

Things have gone very badly since he went there, but I think the major part of that situation is that he shouldn't have gone near that job. Poor judgement.

This probably sounds daft, but I am glad that they had the foresight or sense of adventure to think about making an appointment like that.