The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[mackattak]

I think Lerner should hold off on these talks at least till the end of the Season/Mid Season December.

With trouble brewing at the now 2nd Manchester club, Lerner should be watching closely on the situation with Ferguson's successor. I think with less pressure he would shine at a club like ours.

Pipe dream I know but that's my 2cents worth.

[Colhint]

Too early to aspire to top eight?

I don't think so. If we assume that the current top seven are going to be next years top seven, I don't see why we shouldn't be aiming to finishing ahead of a Remy-less Newcastle and a Southampton team at risk of having its best players pinched in the same way that we lost Milner, Barry and Young.

yup I agree with this

[Toronto Villa]

I think Lerner should hold off on these talks at least till the end of the Season/Mid Season December.

With trouble brewing at the now 2nd Manchester club, Lerner should be watching closely on the situation with Ferguson's successor. I think with less pressure he would shine at a club like ours.

Pipe dream I know but that's my 2cents worth.

After Man U I don't think Moyes will have the stomach for a mid table club still rebuilding. He might just take time off because this will have damaged him. He looks like he has aged 9 years in 9 months. I'd sooner keep Lambert.

[ciggiesnbeer]

I think Stoke is a pretty perfect match to see if we can start to identify some clarity in Lambert's Jeckl and Hyde tactics/performances.

Stoke are currently midtable - like us - and would be happy with a point therefore they will sit back and soak up our pressure.  It will be a good test of our seeming progress to see if we can dictate the play more because we cannot simply rely on counter attacking football.  Furthermore the players should be on a high so confidence cannot be used as an excuse not to start the game trying to play some positive attacking football.  hopefully we will get a good clue as to what and how Lambert actually wants us to play (at least at the beginning).

I think we already have that clarity. Lambert changes things, all the time. That is who he is. I like that but I respect that others may not. Last game he played a Christmas tree formation, against Stoke I imagine he will change it up again, possibly two up front instead of one.

You could be right there.  Personally I do not think this is the way to manage a team, tweak around the edges with formations maybe but we seem to swing from route 1 hoofball merchants to a quite good pass and move team, often during the same game.  Those sort of jumps are illogical, so I suspect/hope they're not what Lambert wants the team to be doing and are rather a symptom of confidence/lack of experience and even a lack of skill out on the pitch.

Yeah, I dont know if he wants to settle on a spine of a formation and tweak from that or whether he enjoys the unpredictability of changing things up so much.

I do like his tinkering more than a rigid 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 which we have endured in the past though.

[supertom]

I think Lerner should hold off on these talks at least till the end of the Season/Mid Season December.

With trouble brewing at the now 2nd Manchester club, Lerner should be watching closely on the situation with Ferguson's successor. I think with less pressure he would shine at a club like ours.

Pipe dream I know but that's my 2cents worth.

After Man U I don't think Moyes will have the stomach for a mid table club still rebuilding. He might just take time off because this will have damaged him. He looks like he has aged 9 years in 9 months. I'd sooner keep Lambert.

Same here. I don't think Moyes will be the same again after Utd. Damaged goods. I think even at a club like us, there's too much expectation for him to handle. His next gig needs to be a club he can promote, or where survival is the be all. After Utd he'll want a club where there isn't too much expectation. By the time this season ends he'll be the spitting image of Gollum...if he isn't already.

[Damo70]

The press will not leave Moyes alone after United. Any defeat will be magnified in the same way they do with any former England manager.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

Don't see why Lambert has ever got the stick he has in the past.  He's rebuilding this club from where it was after McLeish (DOWN THE SHITTER). There was no structure financially or on the pitch and no chemistry between players and fans.  The first thing he would have had to do was re-educate Lerner and Faulkner after being brainwashed by O'neill, Houllier and MCL, then he'd be told he has no money to spend, so he went out a bought young players that cost a few Mill, and who if they failed, would not leave the club £80million out of pocket with a huge payroll, instead it would be closer to £8million, with a small payroll.  It worked to an extent, so he persisted. Some of his signing's have failed, a couple have been brilliant, and some are only just coming into their own.  We've made slow progress without putting the future of the club in any jeopardy.. Surely that's the most important thing right? 

The away following has been Ultra supportive of Lambert even when times have been tough, we're superb away afterall! however conquering Villa park was always going to take time especially after the handling of it from the previous 3 Muskaqueers.  The problem these days with football is that you can't just lose a game without people over analyzing it and highlighting every single negative.  The fact is, it happens, we will lose games of football.. This season our worst result in the league was the 0-3 loss to United at home, apart from that, we rarely get well beaten and we're competitive against everybody we have come up against, hence why we have taken 10 points off the top 4. 

UTV

You make some good points overall, but what on earth is that?   

[Havencheese]

That poll graph at the top is looking disturbingly phallic.

[mr underhill]

that's because it was drawn by the 3 muskaqueers

[oldtimernow]

Too early to aspire to top eight?

I don't think so. If we assume that the current top seven are going to be next years top seven, I don't see why we shouldn't be aiming to finishing ahead of a Remy-less Newcastle and a Southampton team at risk of having its best players pinched in the same way that we lost Milner, Barry and Young.

We should at least be aiming to be there competing with Newcastle, Spurs and Everton for that sixth place spot....then who knows what will happen in Series 3 and beyond (sorry been watching too much Box set TV)

[Smirker]

that's because it was drawn by the 3 muskaqueers

 

[Smirker]

I think Lerner should hold off on these talks at least till the end of the Season/Mid Season December.

With trouble brewing at the now 2nd Manchester club, Lerner should be watching closely on the situation with Ferguson's successor. I think with less pressure he would shine at a club like ours.

Pipe dream I know but that's my 2cents worth.

Fuck that.

[brian green]

Moyes clearly needs the hands on, smaller scale, person to person structure to bring out his best qualities.   Manchester United is a bloated monster of a club.   I cannot see any meaningful escape avenue for Moyes because his pride will make him want to move to a big name media loved club and if he gets one the same will happen to him as has happened in Manchester.   In all truth he needs a club like Villa but we don't need him.   

[not3bad]

Newcastle might give him a go if they decide paying Pardew out of his contract is worth it.  Mind you he's not doing bad there considering they keep on selling his best players.

[Clampy]

I can't begin to imagine the abuse he's going to get if they go out tonight. West Ham on Saturday is not going to be easy for them either. And he has aged since he went there, i'm sure he had some ginger hair in August.