Der Hammer

[saunders_heroes]

Before we start patting ourselves on the back for our liberalism, let's remember the countless Mark Lawrenson comments.

Very true. And that vile homophobic Matt Upson song we used to sing not so long ago to great glee from supporters is a stain on our club.

[German James]

Hitz is quoted in the Guardian saying that he didn't have a problem in dressing rooms in the UK, Italy or France.

Apologies if this has already been posted but I've just read elsewhere that his comments may have lost something in translation.

It is reported that he said "In England, Italy and Germany being a homosexual is no big thing, at least not in the dressing room." What he actually said was "kein ernsthaftes Thema" which apparently translates as "not a real subject", i.e. something that is not talked about in the dressing room.

Any German speakers on here?

"Kein ernsthaftes Thema" literally means: "not a serious subject" but in this context it means "not an issue" or indeed "no big thing".

[freethinker]

Hitz is quoted in the Guardian saying that he didn't have a problem in dressing rooms in the UK, Italy or France.

Apologies if this has already been posted but I've just read elsewhere that his comments may have lost something in translation.

It is reported that he said "In England, Italy and Germany being a homosexual is no big thing, at least not in the dressing room." What he actually said was "kein ernsthaftes Thema" which apparently translates as "not a real subject", i.e. something that is not talked about in the dressing room.

Any German speakers on here?

"Kein ernsthaftes Thema" literally means: "not a serious subject" but in this context it means "not an issue" or indeed "no big thing".

Ah, there are two separate posters on the Guardian website that said the meaning was more along the lines of "not a subject that is discussed". However given your username I will bow to your superior knowledge!

[Somniloquism]

Before we start patting ourselves on the back for our liberalism, let's remember the countless Mark Lawrenson comments.

And whenever Upson played against us.

[German James]

Hitz is quoted in the Guardian saying that he didn't have a problem in dressing rooms in the UK, Italy or France.

Apologies if this has already been posted but I've just read elsewhere that his comments may have lost something in translation.

It is reported that he said "In England, Italy and Germany being a homosexual is no big thing, at least not in the dressing room." What he actually said was "kein ernsthaftes Thema" which apparently translates as "not a real subject", i.e. something that is not talked about in the dressing room.

Any German speakers on here?

"Kein ernsthaftes Thema" literally means: "not a serious subject" but in this context it means "not an issue" or indeed "no big thing".

Ah, there are two separate posters on the Guardian website that said the meaning was more along the lines of "not a subject that is discussed". However given your username I will bow to your superior knowledge!

Danke schön!

[Toronto Villa]

Before we start patting ourselves on the back for our liberalism, let's remember the countless Mark Lawrenson comments.

Very true. And that vile homophobic Matt Upson song we used to sing not so long ago to great glee from supporters is a stain on our club.

that's a good point, although I would hope that if Lawrenson actually was gay and came out and did the same as Hitz then that kind of stuff would stop. I'm certainly not disputing the point being made.

[spk]

Completely a side issue,but remember seeing him at the chippy by Witton station several times when I worked round the corner,always a very polite and friendly chap,would spend ages chatting to the staff and other customers.

[Ger Regan]

Completely a side issue,but remember seeing him at the chippy by Witton station several times when I worked round the corner,always a very polite and friendly chap,would spend ages chatting to the staff and other customers.

Are you still homophobic btw?

[nodge]

Completely a side issue,but remember seeing him at the chippy by Witton station several times when I worked round the corner,always a very polite and friendly chap,would spend ages chatting to the staff and other customers.

Are you still homophobic btw?

You've spelt his name wrong, it's spk not btw.

[Ger Regan]

Spelling was never my strong point!

[spk]

No,the conversation on here ages ago made me think long and hard about my opinions and I realised the error of my former ways.It was quite weird,just after that infamous thread my favorite cousin"came out" and it made me realise what a wanker id been,let me use this to say sorry for offending any fellow H + Vers.I was wrong.

[Ads]

You must be the first person on the internet to actually admit they're wrong. Fair play.

[London Villan]

Before we start patting ourselves on the back for our liberalism, let's remember the countless Mark Lawrenson comments.

Oh dear... I've just had two texts that sort of back this up... both by non H&Vers I might add.

[spk]

I was,sometimes youve got to examine your belief system to make you think how fucked up your former views were.

[Ger Regan]

No,the conversation on here ages ago made me think long and hard about my opinions and I realised the error of my former ways.It was quite weird,just after that infamous thread my favorite cousin"came out" and it made me realise what a wanker id been,let me use this to say sorry for offending any fellow H + Vers.I was wrong.

Fair play to you, it does take balls to admit that.