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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #150 on: January 03, 2014, 10:09:43 AM »
If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.

Liverpool. I gained a lot of respect for him that night.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #151 on: January 03, 2014, 10:12:18 AM »
If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.

Liverpool. I gained a lot of respect for him that night.

That's right , I think it was at St. Andrews too - I contacted him once when he worked with George Gavin regarding a villa song that they played on the radio -and 2 days later he replied with a copy of the song sent with compliments .

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #152 on: January 03, 2014, 10:20:10 AM »
It just demonstrates how badly football has gone wrong, teams don't see the value of winning trophies anymore.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #153 on: January 03, 2014, 10:20:26 AM »
If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.

Liverpool. I gained a lot of respect for him that night.

That's the one. So did I.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #154 on: January 03, 2014, 10:30:06 AM »
It just demonstrates how badly football has gone wrong, teams don't see the value of winning trophies anymore.

Exactly! The only trophy we can win this season, we're at home against a lower league side and Lambert can't even utter a handful of positive comments.

I'm obviously of a generation that thinks the FA Cup is what sets English football apart from other countries.

Bollocks to modern football!!

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #155 on: January 03, 2014, 11:17:18 AM »
Barring a Brian Clough-type messiah, a buyout by insanely wealthy Arabs, or the complete collapse of the Sky/ Premier League model, we probably won't win the League again in my lifetime (I'm 42).

Given that, the FA Cup is realistically the biggest trophy that we have a shot at winning.  If we're not even going to give it our best, what is the point of any of it?  Finishing 6th-17th every season for the rest of my life?

Fuck that!  We're Aston Villa!  It's unacceptable that we haven't won a trophy for nearly 18 years (I don't count the Inter Toto), and would go some way to reinvigorating our support base and general interest in the club.   

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #156 on: January 03, 2014, 11:18:13 AM »
You forgot our Peace Cup victory.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #157 on: January 03, 2014, 11:40:08 AM »
Sorry, I must have missed the announcement that we weren't interested.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #158 on: January 03, 2014, 12:13:20 PM »
The league is after all our bread and butter. Without it and the revenue it generates, the club would be in the stink, people wouldn't have jobs and the fans would desert the club.

The Cup is a nice to win, for the big clubs (i.e. us) the early rounds of the Cup are a distraction from the day-to-day, it's the latter stages or when playing a big rival, that the Cup generates interest these days.

Let's face it, a game against Sheffield United doesn't exactly whet the appetite does it? Why should people fork out £20 plus associated costs to watch it? If it were a fiver to get in, the atmosphere may be different but in all likelihood would be made up of day-trippers or those less fortunate who can't afford the League prices.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #159 on: January 03, 2014, 12:14:39 PM »
I paid £10 for my ticket in the Lower North.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #160 on: January 03, 2014, 12:19:17 PM »
My normal ST seat in the Upper Holte just £15

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #161 on: January 03, 2014, 12:41:23 PM »
(Haven't read the whole thread - so apologies if this has already been stated)

I reckon a few of the folks at EPL headquarters applauded PLs comments. You can imagine them looking for a way to get rid of this "inconvenience" so they can launch their own EPL Super Bowl or some shite like that.

Tradition my arse.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #162 on: January 03, 2014, 12:42:36 PM »
This whole episode merely serves to highlight a couple of the many globs of phlegm floating in the trough that is modern football. 

Firstly, unpalatable as you may find it, Lambert is absolutely right.  I’m sure there isn’t a top flight manager who wouldn’t agree with him that the forthcoming FA Cup third round tie is a bit of a pain in the arse.  It is not a priority for anyone.  It’s useful to rest a few players, blood a few youngsters, but a big deal it ain’t.  The competition has been devalued in many ways - not least by the association that runs it – and it’s hard to see how it can ever reclaim its previous cache without offering some enormous financial reward.  After all, that’s all the modern game is concerned with.   

Secondly, while Regan probably thinks he’s being very clever gleaning these quotes - and Ross et al are seizing the opportunity to strike a blow for the fans by fuelling their indignation – all they’re really doing is ensuring that football interviews continue to become more anodyne and pointless as the years go on.  (This isn’t exclusive to football, of course; anyone in any walk of public life now has to watch every syllable that emerges from their lips, lest an errant word should be recorded and shared and they find their career shattered around their ankles; I doubt Tony Blair, for example, has spoken a single unscripted word outside his house for the last twenty-five years).  This is all well and good, until you realise that no one is actually saying anything.

Back in the late nineties I worked as a sports reporter for a cable news station, and for a while it was my job to go and do the pre-match pressers with a couple of the local managers.  My initial excitement at this prospect was dampened after a few weeks, when I realised I wasn’t about to unearth any great revelations.  They were so guarded, so fearful of being misquoted or misconstrued, that everything was as bland as could be.  I could have scripted it all myself.  They might just as well have released a statement and saved us all the bother of turning up.  But I didn’t – and don’t – blame them.  This latest incident shows the dangers of giving an opinion. 

So next time you’re furious that Lambert’s watched a different game to you, that his comments don’t make sense and that the club is keeping the truth from you, bear in mind that they may well be toeing the accepted line.  They’re saying what they have to say and what it’s safe to say, because ultimately they don’t trust the press with the truth.  It’s a sorry state of affairs, but then look at what’s happened to Lambert today; something he hasn’t actually said has been blown out of proportion and made national headlines.  You can say he’s been naïve, maybe he has, but he was expressing a truth that he’ll doubtless be castigated for.  Unfairly, in my view.  However, the more the press are starved of an insight, the more they’ll make of the crumbs they’re given, and the more the football world retreats into its shell.  The disconnect between clubs and fans becomes ever more stark.

The big losers in all this are, as ever, the fans.  The Premier League exists in a bubble and keeps us at arms length; happy to pocket our cash and exploit our fanaticism, knowing we’ll turn up however difficult they make it for us, but when it comes to actually giving an iota of a toss about our feelings, they’re very much fingers in ears and blah-blah-blahing.  What we want and what we dream of are increasingly incompatible with modern football.   And that, folks, is just tough.  If I'm really lucky I might have about thirty years left to see us lift this bloody trophy before I snuff it.  Here’s to a 5-0 win on Saturday and an easy draw in Round 4. 


An excellent summary of the cesspit of modern "money is all that matters" football. Add to this that instead of the competition being ignored by the mega money clubs - far from it. They can rest their first 11's and still put teams out significantly better than most other premier teams never mind lower table clubs. They actually have "cup teams" now and over the last 18 years have dominated the competition

1 x Portsmouth
1 x Wigan
6 x Chelsea
4 x Arsenal
3 x United
2 x liverpool
1 x Man city

Goes to show if one of the big teams wants to win it - they usually do

Like everything in the modern game we are all playing with a rigged deck

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #163 on: January 03, 2014, 12:45:36 PM »
The league is after all our bread and butter. Without it and the revenue it generates, the club would be in the stink, people wouldn't have jobs and the fans would desert the club.

The Cup is a nice to win, for the big clubs (i.e. us) the early rounds of the Cup are a distraction from the day-to-day, it's the latter stages or when playing a big rival, that the Cup generates interest these days.


If we can't challenge for the cups AND maintain our place in the Premier League, then we're no longer a big club.


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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #164 on: January 03, 2014, 12:51:37 PM »
It is all on Talk Sport as well now. They must have misheard Lambert also.

 


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