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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
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Something we can "do without".
Thanks, Mr.Lambert.
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Well, we've done without it for 56 years...
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Well, we've done without it for 56 years...
Correct, so let's not bother then.
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Can I have my £20 for my ticket back them please...
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If he's said it on record, I'd wait to see the context before condemning him. If he's said it off record, then the reporter is an arse for leaking it.
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It boils my piss and breaks my heart, that finishing 4th in the league is now considered better, and is more lucrative than winning all the cups combined (Champions League aside).
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Finishing 4th probably increases your chances of winning the FA Cup.
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We should have an open top bus parade if we hit 40 points.
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If the fa cup is something we could do without then its disappointing - the cup used to be the trophy that excited so many and is still the trophy I yearn for .
I expected to see us field a weakened side against Sheffield in any case , as we have a few games in a short time but surely a club like villa should aspire to try and win trophies like this - not see it as some kind of hindrance to the premier season .
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Looks like something that could easily have been out of context and I have no faith in WM to not do just that.
It's not hard to word a question so the answer is something like this and then make a big deal of it.
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Looks like something that could easily have been out of context and I have no faith in WM to not do just that.
It's not hard to word a question so the answer is something like this and then make a big deal of it.
Indeed. We've played plenty of cup games under Lambert and, while being utter shite on a few occasions, we've always respected the competition by putting out a strong side. We started Benteke against Rotherham.
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I hope we put out a good strong side and go for it on Saturday.
Maybe PL should know better than to say something which could easily get thrown out of context?
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Tom Ross -
@thegoalzone: Just done the saddest but the most honest interview I have ever done with a manager-Paul Lambert saying clubs could do without the FA Cup?
@thegoalzone: PL also said it was purely about the money & staying in the Premier League-but said he wants to get through to next round #thegamesgone
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Cant they give the cup winners a champions league place then this nonsense becomes a non issue.
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Cant they give the cup winners a champions league place then this nonsense becomes a non issue.
Win the FA Cup and we qualify for the Europa League.
Win the Europa League next season and we qualify for the Champions League.
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I really hope there's more to this than meets the eye.
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I suppose it depends on what the question was.
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Assuming Lambert did say it, I think he is out of order and should be hauled over the coals by the club who are selling tickets and corporate packages for this game.
If he didn't say it, I will reconsider my view.
One thing is for sure, the Holte Suite will not hold enough for a Sheffield United Dinner, if we go out after fielding the reserves.
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Assuming Lambert did say it, I think he is out of order and should be hauled over the coals by the club who are selling tickets and corporate packages for this game.
If he didn't say it, I will reconsider my view.
One thing is for sure, the Holte Suite will not hold enough for a Sheffield United Dinner, if we go out after fielding the reserves.
@thegoalzone: The saddest and most honest interview I have ever done is here - http://t.co/UkZngr19uG
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Is saying that any different to Wenger or Mourinho or Moyes saying they respect the FA Cup and then making eleven changes to the last team?
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If this is true, him and his assistant are really taking the piss.
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This is the modern world.
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Why would anyone be annoyed by him saying the truth?
Cups are for playing the kids/reserves. If you get something then great, but the league is all that matters.
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It's a shame. Thankfully I decided to give this a miss after trying to stay away from Rotheram/Spuds and failing terribly.
Absolutely no chance I'll be paying to watch if even the manager doesn't want to be there! Why WOULDN'T Lambert want this? Is he worried about us getting burnt out and relegated? Surely he has more faith than that? He should be hoping to be able to achieve a Wembley day for the fans, we've realistically got nothing else to play for this season.
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Cups are for playing the kids/reserves. If you get something then great, but the league is all that matters
This is the "modern football" that Lambert was on about the other day
Fucking shit
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Another reason to despise modern football...it really is all about money these days! Sad times!
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
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Assuming Lambert did say it, I think he is out of order and should be hauled over the coals by the club who are selling tickets and corporate packages for this game.
If he didn't say it, I will reconsider my view.
One thing is for sure, the Holte Suite will not hold enough for a Sheffield United Dinner, if we go out after fielding the reserves.
Seems it was a press conference - Tom Ross is usually pretty reliable , both local stations reporting it .
@thegoalzone: The saddest and most honest interview I have ever done is here - http://t.co/UkZngr19uG
Bearing in mind that Ron Toss is a lifelong Nose I doubt very much this is "the saddest interview [he] has ever done."
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Interesting interview to listen to and very honest too.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Would the gates not be lower though if people think the team will be weakened?
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Why would anyone be annoyed by him saying the truth?
Cups are for playing the kids/reserves. If you get something then great, but the league is all that matters.
I beg to differ..following football is about having great memories of going to cup finals and great days out..not finishing 15th every year.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
We'd sell Wembley out 3 times if we got to the final again though.
Same in the Champs' League. The best chance of getting a ticket to Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge these days is for a Champions League group game.
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How can a side that has no other cup distractions not successfully manage to play 5 or so extra games (if we went all the way) ON SATURDAY'S ?. It's not even like they have to be squeezed into a schedule
I've never understood how people can claim trying to win matches in just two competitions is distracting. Scandalous
What about teams who are in 3/4/5 competitions ?
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Part and parcel of modern-day football, unfortunately.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then don't expect me to spend my hard earned.
It's a vicious circle but we also have to accept that even with a full-strength team we'd get low gates because the new breed of fan thinks the Premier League is the only game in town.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
How many did we get for Bradford last year?
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
Obviously this. I'm not paying my hard earned to watch a hot potch side that clearly aren't bothered
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So our new aspiration is as quick an exit as possible from all competitions involving winning silverware and finishing 15th in the Premier League. My cup runneth over. I cannot contain my excitement at what the 2nd half of the season has in store for us lucky fans. Lescott will surely sign tonight.
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Well I've got a £10 seat in with the North Stand ultras so I'm very much up for the cup. Who cares what Lambert thinks?
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After listening to the interview, I don't think Lambert said anything that any other Manager hasn't said or thought about in recent years. He is just being realistic.
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I just listened to it. So it was a leading question and Lambert was talking about every team in the league.
The local sports journos are really awful.
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So our new aspiration is as quick an exit as possible from all competitions involving winning silverware and finishing 15th in the Premier League. My cup runneth over. I cannot contain my excitement at what the 2nd half of the season has in store for us lucky fans. Lescott will surely sign tonight.
No, you appear to be reading your own miserablist thoughts into what was said.
Lambert said that cups are something Premier League managers could do without, which is almost certainly true given the enormous pressures put on them to remain in the PL and finish as high as possible to maximise revenue.
He hasn't said he will give up on the FA Cup, and experience and previous teams he has put out should tell you that he will play a strong (well, as strong as he can given our squad!) team against Sheff Utd, maybe resting those that are carrying knocks or have just returned from injuries.
And obviously our aspirations aren't to finish 15th because he has already said that cups are something he could do without because they distract from getting results in the league.
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Thanks for the info.
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So Mark Regan was shit-stirring? Blimey, there's a turn up and no mistake.
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I want Villa to win the FA Cup so bad
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Having listened, was struck by his views on medals vs memories. Maybe he was just being honest but his ambitions are hugely limited. It does look that whilst he is in charge we will never win anything and his only ambition will be to keep us in the PL.
Maybe that's the reality we will all just have to come to terms with. Matbe that's good enough.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
How many did we get for Bradford last year?
That was a semi-final.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
Obviously this. I'm not paying my hard earned to watch a hot potch side that clearly aren't bothered
I will be there as its the FA cup!
Why would anyone not want to be at VP for one of the best days in the calendar is beyond me! The missus is also comming to this one as its a special day
Cup game on a saturday at 3pm! can't wait
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So Mark Regan was shit-stirring? Blimey, there's a turn up and no mistake.
I posted the link on previous page to the interview with Tom Ross - it's just under 5 minutes long.
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So our new aspiration is as quick an exit as possible from all competitions involving winning silverware and finishing 15th in the Premier League. My cup runneth over. I cannot contain my excitement at what the 2nd half of the season has in store for us lucky fans. Lescott will surely sign tonight.
No, you appear to be reading your own miserablist thoughts into what was said.
Lambert said that cups are something Premier League managers could do without, which is almost certainly true given the enormous pressures put on them to remain in the PL and finish as high as possible to maximise revenue.
He hasn't said he will give up on the FA Cup, and experience and previous teams he has put out should tell you that he will play a strong (well, as strong as he can given our squad!) team against Sheff Utd, maybe resting those that are carrying knocks or have just returned from injuries.
And obviously our aspirations aren't to finish 15th because he has already said that cups are something he could do without because they distract from getting results in the league.
So what's our aspiration then Dave? No manager is going to say I want to finish as low down the league as possible. Survival is the aspiration now.
And no matter how it is interpreted, it doesn't set a great tone for getting through the next round does it. And I am not calling for Lamberts head either, I just don't like the general tone it is setting.
Let me put it another way - if they went out on Saturday would he lose any sleep over it?
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Ron Saunders didn't lose any sleep over it in 1981. It's a fact of life that until you get within sight of Wembley nobody in football is overly bothered about cups.
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We are though. Well at least I am. It still represents our best chance (as stupid as that sounds) along with the League Cup of winning something.
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So our new aspiration is as quick an exit as possible from all competitions involving winning silverware and finishing 15th in the Premier League. My cup runneth over. I cannot contain my excitement at what the 2nd half of the season has in store for us lucky fans. Lescott will surely sign tonight.
No, you appear to be reading your own miserablist thoughts into what was said.
Lambert said that cups are something Premier League managers could do without, which is almost certainly true given the enormous pressures put on them to remain in the PL and finish as high as possible to maximise revenue.
He hasn't said he will give up on the FA Cup, and experience and previous teams he has put out should tell you that he will play a strong (well, as strong as he can given our squad!) team against Sheff Utd, maybe resting those that are carrying knocks or have just returned from injuries.
And obviously our aspirations aren't to finish 15th because he has already said that cups are something he could do without because they distract from getting results in the league.
So what's our aspiration then Dave? No manager is going to say I want to finish as low down the league as possible. Survival is the aspiration now.
And no matter how it is interpreted, it doesn't set a great tone for getting through the next round does it. And I am not calling for Lamberts head either, I just don't like the general tone it is setting.
Let me put it another way - if they went out on Saturday would he lose any sleep over it?
I dont see what tone has been set. Some old local journo warbling on about how the game is dead and the FA cup being the ultimate prize for football and bemoaning how strong the league is. Lambert just agreeing with the old codger as he tries to find a graceful way to leave the press room.
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Ron Saunders didn't lose any sleep over it in 1981. It's a fact of life that until you get within sight of Wembley nobody in football is overly bothered about cups.
Whereas I go into my worst post-defeat sulk of the season when we get knocked out of the FA Cup.
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Our aspiration is surely to finish as high as possible and maybe win something.
The reality, on the other hand, is we have had to undertake a drastic overhaul of our spending with the subsequent squad you see before you now. Almost every other manager in the PL, if they were being honest, would rather at least one and probably both of the cups were taken away. The very big clubs because they need the Champions League, the next tier because they would dearly like to be in the Champions League, the clubs scrambling at the bottom because they want to stay in the Premier League and the rest because their Chairmen are telling them to finish as high as possible or they might get the sack.
That's the reality, and as much as any manager can burble on about the traditions and magic of The Cup, the teams they will field next weekend will tell their own story.
Besides, as others have said, once you listen to the interview it's yet another bit of poor reporting and a very leading question.
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Ron Saunders didn't lose any sleep over it in 1981. It's a fact of life that until you get within sight of Wembley nobody in football is overly bothered about cups.
Back then we were chasing the title though and I can understand that to a degree - he also put out his strongest cup side against Ipswich if I remember correctly .
I think the fa cup is still seen as a major thing for most of us of an older age but certainly in the last 20 yrs it seems to have lost its glamour and I can see why some younger fans may see the premiership as the be all and end all .
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Ron Saunders didn't lose any sleep over it in 1981. It's a fact of life that until you get within sight of Wembley nobody in football is overly bothered about cups.
Whereas I go into my worst post-defeat sulk of the season when we get knocked out of the FA Cup.
Me too, but we're not modern fans.
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I am not bothered by the game this weekend, the same as I wouldn't have been bothered to get excited about playing Bradford in the 3rd round of the League Cup for instance, or Blackburn for the 100th time in a few years. The fact the later two were semi-finals helped.
I want to win the cup, but I cannot say my heart will be racing with excitement at the prospect of going on Saturday.
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The FA Cup is our only chance of winning anything this year. I am disappointed that the Manager does not seem to accept that. Anyway, let's hope we get through so we can look at the diminishing numbers of people who think it is not worth playing for, as each round passes.
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I am not bothered by the game this weekend, the same as I wouldn't have been bothered to get excited about playing Bradford in the 3rd round of the League Cup for instance, or Blackburn for the 100th time in a few years. The fact the later two were semi-finals helped.
I want to win the cup, but I cannot say my heart will be racing with excitement at the prospect of going on Saturday.
But it does when we play in the league? Knowing 9 times out of 10 who we will lose too and where will we finish.
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The FA Cup is our only chance of winning anything this year. I am disappointed that the Manager does not seem to accept that. Anyway, let's hope we get through so we can look at the diminishing numbers of people who think it is not worth playing for, as each round passes.
No need to be disappointed, he expressed no such sentiment. Check out the link Eastie posted a few pages back. You can listen to the interview.
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Not really no, as it's the same old faces and places mainly. Certain away games I look forward to and many a game can become interesting. League games from January onwards were far too exciting for my liking.
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If the fa cup is something we could do without then its disappointing - the cup used to be the trophy that excited so many and is still the trophy I yearn for .
I expected to see us field a weakened side against Sheffield in any case , as we have a few games in a short time but surely a club like villa should aspire to try and win trophies like this - not see it as some kind of hindrance to the premier season .
HAVE WE GOT A STRONG SIDE THEN
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HAVE WE GOT A STRONG SIDE THEN
Ask wenger and pellegrini ;)
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No need to shout.
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Why the hell lambert and who ever at villa draw up a list of the twats who are detrimental to the villa like Tom Ross radio wm radio blue nose etc etc and tell them they to do one like fergie did to the bbc. Jesus Christ all they are looking for is to get a headline to promote themselves again and again.
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Why the hell lambert and who ever at villa draw up a list of the twats who are detrimental to the villa like Tom Ross radio wm radio blue nose etc etc and tell them they to do one like fergie did to the bbc. Jesus Christ all they are looking for is to get a headline to promote themselves again and again.
It's just a shame people are so quick to fall for and be manipulated by the media time and time again. I'm pretty sure Lambert would love to win the F.A. Cup.
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Disappointed to see how the FA Cup has been devalued in recent years. However, the likes of Tom Ross and Mark Regan reckon its "a tragedy"? Stan falling ill with leaukemia was a tragedy, more so than a manager making comments about a cup competition. A bit of an overreaction if you ask me.
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Looking at it realistically, after four league games in twelve days the last thing any manager wants is another match three days later. Lambert was being honest and is getting slagged for it.
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At least he said he wants to win it. I seem to recall someone suggesting they put out a shite team as they werent interested in the cup a few years ago.
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Looking at the potential injury news from another thread I dare say he was probably not having his best day when asked the question.
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Looking at the potential injury news from another thread I dare say he was probably not having his best day when asked the question.
that's a bloody good point Matt. I'm sure he's thinking if this carries on him and Sid would need to lace up again. Hold on a minute...Lambert and Cowans in our midfield
*strokes chin*
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Still love the fa cup and am looking forward to seeing some of the fringe players and not to mention 6,000 away fans in the ground. Should be a good atmosphere. Fair play to the club too, £10 for adults and £5 for kids is great value.
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Oh dear (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25579811)
Now picked up on by the mainstream media.
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Mark Regan can stick his tweets where the sun don't shine. Can't he actually write an article rather than spout shite through Twitter? It only adds to billions of other pointless crap written on Twitter.
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It was used on FiveLive too, snippet from the actual interview.
Perhaps they should use it on the ads... "The FA Cup - the competition everyone could do without"
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Mark Regan can stick his tweets where the sun don't shine. Can't he actually write an article rather than spout shite through Twitter? It only adds to billions of other pointless crap written on Twitter.
Applauds.
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Mark Regan can stick his tweets where the sun don't shine. Can't he actually write an article rather than spout shite through Twitter? It only adds to billions of other pointless crap written on Twitter.
Could'nt agree more. Him and his WM team are utter twats.
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Bottom line is our squad should have enough about it to beat a lowly league 1 side at home. It's a great chance for fringe players To go out there and impress.
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This is manager lowering expectations again.
At least he his being honest.
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Mark Regan can stick his tweets where the sun don't shine. Can't he actually write an article rather than spout shite through Twitter? It only adds to billions of other pointless crap written on Twitter.
Could'nt agree more. Him and his WM team are utter twats.
Wasnt just wm that reported it - Tom Ross was the one posting a link to the interview proclaiming it his saddest interview ever .
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Storm in a tea cup lads.
Ever since Yanited / Fergie pulled out Of the fa cup that year it's been on a downward spiral and has become almost vogue for PL clubs to shun it.
Until sponsors put mega prize money into it, it won't change.
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On the subject of Ron Saunders and the FA Cup, and as coincidence would have it, one of the finest performances I've ever seen from a Villa team was in 74-75, in the fourth round of the FA Cup against Sheffield United (who were then a division above us), and we beat them 4-1. I have a programme from the end of that season, in which Ron Saunders wrote that his warmest memory of the season was the standing ovation that Villa received when leaving the field at half-time in the Sheffield game.
And that, of course was the season we won the League Cup and gained promotion back to the old First Division.
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Storm in a tea cup lads.
Ever since Yanited / Fergie pulled out Of the fa cup that year it's been on a downward spiral and has become almost vogue for PL clubs to shun it.
Until sponsors put mega prize money into it, it won't change.
You just beat me to it Shilli.
The F.A moving the semi finals to Wembley and the final from 3.00pm to 5.30pm is a lot worse than what Lambert has said.
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The way to make the FA cup a big attraction is to offer the winners a champions league place rather than the 4th placed team in my opinion , not sure whether uefa have the final say on that though.
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Storm in a tea cup lads.
Ever since Yanited / Fergie pulled out Of the fa cup that year it's been on a downward spiral and has become almost vogue for PL clubs to shun it.
Until sponsors put mega prize money into it, it won't change.
You just beat me to it Shilli.
The F.A moving the semi finals to Wembley and the final from 3.00pm to 5.30pm is a lot worse than what Lambert has said.
No question playing the semis at Wembley devalues the competition and the 5-30 start Is ridiculous - the fa themselves are from from blameless.
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The way to make the FA cup a big attraction is to offer the winners a champions league place rather than the 4th placed team in my opinion , not sure whether uefa have the final say on that though.
Yep great idea.
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Semi-finals should be held at the Home of Football and the Theatre of Dross.
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The way to make the FA cup a big attraction is to offer the winners a champions league place rather than the 4th placed team in my opinion , not sure whether uefa have the final say on that though.
Yep.
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Oh dear (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25579811)
Now picked up on by the mainstream media.
The Daily Heil and The Express have also gone large with misleading headlines. I can't really disagree with anything he says in the context of the question posed, but he he is being a little naive to think his answer would be portrayed in any different way by the presstitutes.
I was more concerned by the logical incoherence of his recent interview on transfers, but maybe that is because of too many years spent as a computer programmer.
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Semi-finals should be held at the Home of Football and the Theatre of Dross.
Agree. That was all part of the magic of the cup, and Hillsborough.
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He was asked a leading question and gave an answer referring to all teams in the PL, not just us. I feel really sorry for him with this.
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Coming out with shit like this 2 days before a home Cup match.....
If he he's so concerned about modern football then he should start by understanding how the media works and how every word that managers says in the modern game will be pored over. He's a fucking idiot.
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He was asked a leading question and gave an answer referring to all teams in the PL, not just us. I feel really sorry for him with this.
We win Saturday, and the story disappears.
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No he isn't. It has been twisted by poor quality journalists and presenters such as Mark Regan and arguably Tom Ross.
He was asked a leading question and gave an answer referring to all teams in the PL, not just us. I feel really sorry for him with this.
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He was asked a leading question and gave an answer referring to all teams in the PL, not just us. I feel really sorry for him with this.
We win Saturday, and the story disappears.
Until the 4th Round...
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He was being honest. At the end of the day, like I said earlier, the F.A have done more harm for their own competition than anyone else.
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Storm in a tea cup lads.
Ever since Yanited / Fergie pulled out Of the fa cup that year it's been on a downward spiral and has become almost vogue for PL clubs to shun it.
Until sponsors put mega prize money into it, it won't change.
You just beat me to it Shilli.
The F.A moving the semi finals to Wembley and the final from 3.00pm to 5.30pm is a lot worse than what Lambert has said.
No question playing the semis at Wembley devalues the competition and the 5-30 start Is ridiculous - the fa themselves are from from blameless.
In the same gang as the Olympic Commitee, FIFA and UEFA. Completely unaccountable, out of touch and a lot worse.
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Incredibly naive comments from Lambert. Even if he's thinking it , why say it ? All it's done is heap a load of pressure on the team,whoever he selects.
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He was asked a leading question and gave an answer referring to all teams in the PL, not just us. I feel really sorry for him with this.
Perhaps he should go on twitter and clarify it.
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And yet again the only people analysing, pulling apart and criticising the words of the Villa manager are Villa supporters.
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And yet again the only people analysing, pulling apart and criticising the words of the Villa manager are Villa supporters.
+ Tom Ross
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I think in the light of what happened to Wigan you have to consider the relative value of the Fa Cup. Be great to win it, but not at the expense of relegation. Thats pretty much all I read into Lambert's comments. I respect him for being honest at least, often he tends to speak predictable, cliched waffle.
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I can't see a lot wrong with what he's saying. We ain't got the players or the squad to compete
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We'll be looking back at this thread and laughing in May, as we all down another celebratory post match pint in The Greyhound.
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I can't see that he even says anything about Aston Villa specifically, apart from that the team vs Sheffield United might have to reflect both that there are players that would benefit from a run-out, and that there's an upcoming match against Arsenal. Fair enough, isn't it? And that if it's possible to progress in the cup, then he'd want to get through.
The rest of the interview reflects (IMO) his general thoughts upon why the FA cup might hold less significance nowadays due to the financial importance of staying in the PL - note: for PL teams in general, not Aston Villa specifically - and also modern footballers' tendency to measure success in terms of length and value of their contracts instead of medals and memories.
Of course, English isn't my first language, so I could be totally mistaken - but that's the way I heard it, anyway.
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Those WM twats should definitely be excluded by the club for future interviews.
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People are reading way too much into this.
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I think it is all part of a cunning plan to lull the other 63 clubs into a false sense of security.
In reality Lambert knows how desperate we are after 56 years of hurt and is going to really go for it.
Ideally, our Gabby will get the winning goal in the final and we will be running round the Bull Ring with the cup. (Pissed up!).
2014 is going to be our year.
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And yet again the only people analysing, pulling apart and criticising the words of the Villa manager are Villa supporters.
Why should anybody else care? This is the club where we spend thousands of pounds a year.
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I would imagine that whoever said it the fans of that club would talk about it the most.
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He was asked a leading question and gave an answer referring to all teams in the PL, not just us. I feel really sorry for him with this.
We win Saturday, and the story disappears.
We lose on Saturday and I will be fuming.
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Bottom line is our squad should have enough about it to beat a lowly league 1 side at home. It's a great chance for fringe players To go out there and impress.
The FA cup third round tie is not a chance for fringe players it is a challenge for our best 11 to go and win and progress towards greatness.
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Bottom line is our squad should have enough about it to beat a lowly league 1 side at home. It's a great chance for fringe players To go out there and impress.
The FA cup third round tie is not a chance for fringe players it is a challenge for our best 11 to go and win and progress towards greatness.
Yes, I think you've made your point on that one. It's a pity nobody in the game agrees with you but that, sadly, is modern life. It's rubbish.
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Its fair to say looking at the quotes that Lambert didn't exactly say "I don't give a shit about the FA Cup". He's basically been open about what most people in the game think of it today, which is very sad, but i respect his honesty. Lets not forget the bare faced lies that Houllier and O'Neill wheeled out when thet said that cup competitions were important, only to leave half the team on the sidelines.
Sadly, its been blown out of all proportions, with Regan and his cronies at WM all gleefully lining up to to take pot shots at him - in particular Richard Wilford, whose had an agenda with Lambert since he joined us.
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It boils my piss and breaks my heart, that finishing 4th in the league is now considered better
No it appears from words attributed to our man that finishing 17th is better than winning the FA cup. Wigan were really unlucky last season not only did they win the cup they also finished 18th!
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I think it is all part of a cunning plan to lull the other 63 clubs into a false sense of security.
In reality Lambert knows how desperate we are after 56 years of hurt and is going to really go for it.
Ideally, our Gabby will get the winning goal in the final and we will be running round the Bull Ring with the cup. (Pissed up!).
2014 is going to be our year.
57 years after winning it in '57, it's meant to be.
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Bottom line is our squad should have enough about it to beat a lowly league 1 side at home. It's a great chance for fringe players To go out there and impress.
The FA cup third round tie is not a chance for fringe players it is a challenge for our best 11 to go and win and progress towards greatness.
modern life. It's rubbish.
I'm holding on for tomorrow. *sorry*
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It boils my piss and breaks my heart, that finishing 4th in the league is now considered better
No it appears from words attributed to our man that finishing 17th is better than winning the FA cup. Wigan were really unlucky last season not only did they win the cup they also finished 18th!
He didn't say that at all.
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Its fair to say looking at the quotes that Lambert didn't exactly say "I don't give a shit about the FA Cup". He's basically been open about what most people in the game think of it tpday, which is very sad, but i respect his honesty. Lets not forget Houllier and O'Neill said that cup competitions were important, only to leave half the team on the sidelines.
Sadly, its been blown out of all proportions, with Regan and his cronies at WM all lining up to to take pot shots at him.
That's the thing I find annoying too, add Martin Lipton on talksport to that as well.
Portsmouth and Wigan both being relegated and getting all the way to the final in the last few years,
tells everyone just how seriously the big boys really take the competition.
Every premier league teams starting eleven this weekend will be weakened, its been that way for a long time,
and to go to town on Paul Lambert for actually highlighting that is ridiculous.
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So Lambert has said he'd rather get us relegated to the conference than win the FA Cup? We need a good old fashion lynching party. I'll bring the fire torches.
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It boils my piss and breaks my heart, that finishing 4th in the league is now considered better
No it appears from words attributed to our man that finishing 17th is better than winning the FA cup. Wigan were really unlucky last season not only did they win the cup they also finished 18th!
He didn't say that at all.
"Not just because of the money but survival in the league is vital."
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It boils my piss and breaks my heart, that finishing 4th in the league is now considered better
No it appears from words attributed to our man that finishing 17th is better than winning the FA cup. Wigan were really unlucky last season not only did they win the cup they also finished 18th!
He didn't say that at all.
"Not just because of the money but survival in the league is vital."
Exactly. Thank you for confirming what I said.
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It boils my piss and breaks my heart, that finishing 4th in the league is now considered better
No it appears from words attributed to our man that finishing 17th is better than winning the FA cup. Wigan were really unlucky last season not only did they win the cup they also finished 18th!
He didn't say that at all.
"Not just because of the money but survival in the league is vital."
Exactly. Thank you for confirming what I said.
Thanks for making me smirk.
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The devaluation of the FA Cup is something that still really pisses me off no end.
I totally understand PL's thinking here but the general mindset around the whole competition these days from the FA, media, managers etc shameful.
It used to be the pinnacle of the sporting year - now its an afterthought.
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Totally agree OzVilla. The attitude o the FA cup really is appalling these days. There was a time when everyone prioritised FA cup game over a League match but sadly no more.
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I remember the days when FA Cup attendances were nearly always a good size above league ones. And the main ambition of just about every player was to win it.
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As a young fan, I'd kill to see us win any silverware, but think survival in the league should be priority, so I understand Lambert's thinking. Maybe when we're a bit more stable and not looking over our shoulders so much (we're getting closer) we can give it a go.
Remember there's a long term vision, and I think silverware is part of it - but not yet.
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We're 11th, we should be busting a gut to win it. And I hope we will be on Saturday. Actually we should be busting a gut to win it wherever we are in the league.
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Agreed, surely the plan has to be to attempt to win things and the FA Cup not only provides the chance to do that (heaven knows we don't have many) but also the chance for Villa immortality.
6 matches away from immortality and the first is against lesser league opposition.
Why wouldn't you give it a go?
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This whole episode merely serves to highlight a couple of the many globs of phlegm floating in the trough that is modern football.
Firstly, unpalatable as you may find it, Lambert is absolutely right. I’m sure there isn’t a top flight manager who wouldn’t agree with him that the forthcoming FA Cup third round tie is a bit of a pain in the arse. It is not a priority for anyone. It’s useful to rest a few players, blood a few youngsters, but a big deal it ain’t. The competition has been devalued in many ways - not least by the association that runs it – and it’s hard to see how it can ever reclaim its previous cache without offering some enormous financial reward. After all, that’s all the modern game is concerned with.
Secondly, while Regan probably thinks he’s being very clever gleaning these quotes - and Ross et al are seizing the opportunity to strike a blow for the fans by fuelling their indignation – all they’re really doing is ensuring that football interviews continue to become more anodyne and pointless as the years go on. (This isn’t exclusive to football, of course; anyone in any walk of public life now has to watch every syllable that emerges from their lips, lest an errant word should be recorded and shared and they find their career shattered around their ankles; I doubt Tony Blair, for example, has spoken a single unscripted word outside his house for the last twenty-five years). This is all well and good, until you realise that no one is actually saying anything.
Back in the late nineties I worked as a sports reporter for a cable news station, and for a while it was my job to go and do the pre-match pressers with a couple of the local managers. My initial excitement at this prospect was dampened after a few weeks, when I realised I wasn’t about to unearth any great revelations. They were so guarded, so fearful of being misquoted or misconstrued, that everything was as bland as could be. I could have scripted it all myself. They might just as well have released a statement and saved us all the bother of turning up. But I didn’t – and don’t – blame them. This latest incident shows the dangers of giving an opinion.
So next time you’re furious that Lambert’s watched a different game to you, that his comments don’t make sense and that the club is keeping the truth from you, bear in mind that they may well be toeing the accepted line. They’re saying what they have to say and what it’s safe to say, because ultimately they don’t trust the press with the truth. It’s a sorry state of affairs, but then look at what’s happened to Lambert today; something he hasn’t actually said has been blown out of proportion and made national headlines. You can say he’s been naïve, maybe he has, but he was expressing a truth that he’ll doubtless be castigated for. Unfairly, in my view. However, the more the press are starved of an insight, the more they’ll make of the crumbs they’re given, and the more the football world retreats into its shell. The disconnect between clubs and fans becomes ever more stark.
The big losers in all this are, as ever, the fans. The Premier League exists in a bubble and keeps us at arms length; happy to pocket our cash and exploit our fanaticism, knowing we’ll turn up however difficult they make it for us, but when it comes to actually giving an iota of a toss about our feelings, they’re very much fingers in ears and blah-blah-blahing. What we want and what we dream of are increasingly incompatible with modern football. And that, folks, is just tough. If I'm really lucky I might have about thirty years left to see us lift this bloody trophy before I snuff it. Here’s to a 5-0 win on Saturday and an easy draw in Round 4.
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Its not Paul Lamberts fault that the FA Cup is now viewed in this way. It is the FA who sold their soul to the "FA" Premier League before it became the now Barclays Premier League.
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This whole episode merely serves to highlight a couple of the many globs of phlegm floating in the trough that is modern football.
Firstly, unpalatable as you may find it, Lambert is absolutely right. I’m sure there isn’t a top flight manager who wouldn’t agree with him that the forthcoming FA Cup third round tie is a bit of a pain in the arse. It is not a priority for anyone. It’s useful to rest a few players, blood a few youngsters, but a big deal it ain’t. The competition has been devalued in many ways - not least by the association that runs it – and it’s hard to see how it can ever reclaim its previous cache without offering some enormous financial reward. After all, that’s all the modern game is concerned with.
Secondly, while Regan probably thinks he’s being very clever gleaning these quotes - and Ross et al are seizing the opportunity to strike a blow for the fans by fuelling their indignation – all they’re really doing is ensuring that football interviews continue to become more anodyne and pointless as the years go on. (This isn’t exclusive to football, of course; anyone in any walk of public life now has to watch every syllable that emerges from their lips, lest an errant word should be recorded and shared and they find their career shattered around their ankles; I doubt Tony Blair, for example, has spoken a single unscripted word outside his house for the last twenty-five years). This is all well and good, until you realise that no one is actually saying anything.
Back in the late nineties I worked as a sports reporter for a cable news station, and for a while it was my job to go and do the pre-match pressers with a couple of the local managers. My initial excitement at this prospect was dampened after a few weeks, when I realised I wasn’t about to unearth any great revelations. They were so guarded, so fearful of being misquoted or misconstrued, that everything was as bland as could be. I could have scripted it all myself. They might just as well have released a statement and saved us all the bother of turning up. But I didn’t – and don’t – blame them. This latest incident shows the dangers of giving an opinion.
So next time you’re furious that Lambert’s watched a different game to you, that his comments don’t make sense and that the club is keeping the truth from you, bear in mind that they may well be toeing the accepted line. They’re saying what they have to say and what it’s safe to say, because ultimately they don’t trust the press with the truth. It’s a sorry state of affairs, but then look at what’s happened to Lambert today; something he hasn’t actually said has been blown out of proportion and made national headlines. You can say he’s been naïve, maybe he has, but he was expressing a truth that he’ll doubtless be castigated for. Unfairly, in my view. However, the more the press are starved of an insight, the more they’ll make of the crumbs they’re given, and the more the football world retreats into its shell. The disconnect between clubs and fans becomes ever more stark.
The big losers in all this are, as ever, the fans. The Premier League exists in a bubble and keeps us at arms length; happy to pocket our cash and exploit our fanaticism, knowing we’ll turn up however difficult they make it for us, but when it comes to actually giving an iota of a toss about our feelings, they’re very much fingers in ears and blah-blah-blahing. What we want and what we dream of are increasingly incompatible with modern football. And that, folks, is just tough. If I'm really lucky I might have about thirty years left to see us lift this bloody trophy before I snuff it. Here’s to a 5-0 win on Saturday and an easy draw in Round 4.
Extremely well written, if I may make so bold, and I could almost forgive you for being a member of the press.
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His thoughts on the FA Cup are sad, but a true reflection of how Prem clubs look at it now, what I find more scary and not quite sure how he overcomes, is the statement that modern footballers count success by the length and value of their contracts, is that a reflection and a disguised dig at the guys he gave extended and improved deals to last season and have not turned up for him this year?
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I remember the days when FA Cup attendances were nearly always a good size above league ones. And the main ambition of just about every player was to win it.
Me too, and I still have that burning ambition to win it having seen villa win most other things - as the years pass though I fear my dream may never come true . I used to love cup final day the whole build up used to to start hours before the game and was the pinnacle of the season - now it gets a 3 hour slot to fit in with tv schedules - the FA have undermined their own tournament and cannot complain or blame others - how sad.
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I remember the days when FA Cup attendances were nearly always a good size above league ones. And the main ambition of just about every player was to win it.
Season 67/68 which I remember.
R3. Millwall at home. 34,703 for the cup game, 14,891 for the league game.
R4. Rotherham at home. 33,442 for the cup game, 13,673 for the league game.
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And yet again the only people analysing, pulling apart and criticising the words of the Villa manager are Villa supporters.
+ Tom Ross
In fairness, Tom Ross has been suggesting for years that the game has sold it's soul so what Lambert said yesterday probably wouldn't surprise him and he'd probably agree. WM on the other hand will no doubt use it as another stick to beat Villa with.
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In fairness, Tom Ross has been suggesting for years that the game has sold it's soul
Who can argue with him? Those who are constantly messed about by fixture changes must agree with this. We still don't know for certain when the Arsenal game is FFS!
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In fairness, Tom Ross has been suggesting for years that the game has sold it's soul
Who can argue with him? Those who are constantly messed about by fixture changes must agree with this. We still don't know for certain when the Arsenal game is FFS!
The biggest reason for me in letting my season ticket go - constant chopping and changing of fixture times and dates is no good if you work shifts.
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In fairness, Tom Ross has been suggesting for years that the game has sold it's soul
Who can argue with him? Those who are constantly messed about by fixture changes must agree with this. We still don't know for certain when the Arsenal game is FFS!
The biggest reason for me in letting my season ticket go - constant chopping and changing of fixture times and dates is no good if you work shifts.
Exactly. They can say all they like about the 'modern game' but we have been stuffed by Sky and others. We have been fortunate (debatable) that we have been able to keep going but it is not a working man's game any more.
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
His dressing it up as the saddest interview he's ever done was somewhat over the top to say the least.
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
Because he's honest and upfront about who he supports and come across as a lot more impartial than the other local broadcasters who wages we help pay.
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
Why not? He's a decent bloke.
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
Why not. He's a decent bloke.
Yeah, he is really. I was only joshing. To be fair he does stick up for all the local clubs especially if we are playing "Cockneys."
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
Why not. He's a decent bloke.
Yeah, he is really. I was only joshing. To be fair he does stick up for all the local clubs especially if we are playing "Cockneys."
His brother is a staunch Villa fan.
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Why do we have to show fairness to Ron Toss?
Why not? He's a decent bloke.
Met him a few times at the ice hockey - a very nice bloke indeed.
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Never had a problem with Tom Ross, at least he's passionate about his club (however shite they may be).
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If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.
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If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.
Liverpool. I gained a lot of respect for him that night.
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If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.
Liverpool. I gained a lot of respect for him that night.
That's right , I think it was at St. Andrews too - I contacted him once when he worked with George Gavin regarding a villa song that they played on the radio -and 2 days later he replied with a copy of the song sent with compliments .
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It just demonstrates how badly football has gone wrong, teams don't see the value of winning trophies anymore.
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If I remember correctly, the evening that a team put about 7 past SHA he continued with the (admittedly funny wind-up) 'phone-in having lost his father earlier that day.
Liverpool. I gained a lot of respect for him that night.
That's the one. So did I.
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It just demonstrates how badly football has gone wrong, teams don't see the value of winning trophies anymore.
Exactly! The only trophy we can win this season, we're at home against a lower league side and Lambert can't even utter a handful of positive comments.
I'm obviously of a generation that thinks the FA Cup is what sets English football apart from other countries.
Bollocks to modern football!!
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Barring a Brian Clough-type messiah, a buyout by insanely wealthy Arabs, or the complete collapse of the Sky/ Premier League model, we probably won't win the League again in my lifetime (I'm 42).
Given that, the FA Cup is realistically the biggest trophy that we have a shot at winning. If we're not even going to give it our best, what is the point of any of it? Finishing 6th-17th every season for the rest of my life?
Fuck that! We're Aston Villa! It's unacceptable that we haven't won a trophy for nearly 18 years (I don't count the Inter Toto), and would go some way to reinvigorating our support base and general interest in the club.
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You forgot our Peace Cup victory.
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Sorry, I must have missed the announcement that we weren't interested.
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The league is after all our bread and butter. Without it and the revenue it generates, the club would be in the stink, people wouldn't have jobs and the fans would desert the club.
The Cup is a nice to win, for the big clubs (i.e. us) the early rounds of the Cup are a distraction from the day-to-day, it's the latter stages or when playing a big rival, that the Cup generates interest these days.
Let's face it, a game against Sheffield United doesn't exactly whet the appetite does it? Why should people fork out £20 plus associated costs to watch it? If it were a fiver to get in, the atmosphere may be different but in all likelihood would be made up of day-trippers or those less fortunate who can't afford the League prices.
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I paid £10 for my ticket in the Lower North.
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My normal ST seat in the Upper Holte just £15
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(Haven't read the whole thread - so apologies if this has already been stated)
I reckon a few of the folks at EPL headquarters applauded PLs comments. You can imagine them looking for a way to get rid of this "inconvenience" so they can launch their own EPL Super Bowl or some shite like that.
Tradition my arse.
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This whole episode merely serves to highlight a couple of the many globs of phlegm floating in the trough that is modern football.
Firstly, unpalatable as you may find it, Lambert is absolutely right. I’m sure there isn’t a top flight manager who wouldn’t agree with him that the forthcoming FA Cup third round tie is a bit of a pain in the arse. It is not a priority for anyone. It’s useful to rest a few players, blood a few youngsters, but a big deal it ain’t. The competition has been devalued in many ways - not least by the association that runs it – and it’s hard to see how it can ever reclaim its previous cache without offering some enormous financial reward. After all, that’s all the modern game is concerned with.
Secondly, while Regan probably thinks he’s being very clever gleaning these quotes - and Ross et al are seizing the opportunity to strike a blow for the fans by fuelling their indignation – all they’re really doing is ensuring that football interviews continue to become more anodyne and pointless as the years go on. (This isn’t exclusive to football, of course; anyone in any walk of public life now has to watch every syllable that emerges from their lips, lest an errant word should be recorded and shared and they find their career shattered around their ankles; I doubt Tony Blair, for example, has spoken a single unscripted word outside his house for the last twenty-five years). This is all well and good, until you realise that no one is actually saying anything.
Back in the late nineties I worked as a sports reporter for a cable news station, and for a while it was my job to go and do the pre-match pressers with a couple of the local managers. My initial excitement at this prospect was dampened after a few weeks, when I realised I wasn’t about to unearth any great revelations. They were so guarded, so fearful of being misquoted or misconstrued, that everything was as bland as could be. I could have scripted it all myself. They might just as well have released a statement and saved us all the bother of turning up. But I didn’t – and don’t – blame them. This latest incident shows the dangers of giving an opinion.
So next time you’re furious that Lambert’s watched a different game to you, that his comments don’t make sense and that the club is keeping the truth from you, bear in mind that they may well be toeing the accepted line. They’re saying what they have to say and what it’s safe to say, because ultimately they don’t trust the press with the truth. It’s a sorry state of affairs, but then look at what’s happened to Lambert today; something he hasn’t actually said has been blown out of proportion and made national headlines. You can say he’s been naïve, maybe he has, but he was expressing a truth that he’ll doubtless be castigated for. Unfairly, in my view. However, the more the press are starved of an insight, the more they’ll make of the crumbs they’re given, and the more the football world retreats into its shell. The disconnect between clubs and fans becomes ever more stark.
The big losers in all this are, as ever, the fans. The Premier League exists in a bubble and keeps us at arms length; happy to pocket our cash and exploit our fanaticism, knowing we’ll turn up however difficult they make it for us, but when it comes to actually giving an iota of a toss about our feelings, they’re very much fingers in ears and blah-blah-blahing. What we want and what we dream of are increasingly incompatible with modern football. And that, folks, is just tough. If I'm really lucky I might have about thirty years left to see us lift this bloody trophy before I snuff it. Here’s to a 5-0 win on Saturday and an easy draw in Round 4.
An excellent summary of the cesspit of modern "money is all that matters" football. Add to this that instead of the competition being ignored by the mega money clubs - far from it. They can rest their first 11's and still put teams out significantly better than most other premier teams never mind lower table clubs. They actually have "cup teams" now and over the last 18 years have dominated the competition
1 x Portsmouth
1 x Wigan
6 x Chelsea
4 x Arsenal
3 x United
2 x liverpool
1 x Man city
Goes to show if one of the big teams wants to win it - they usually do
Like everything in the modern game we are all playing with a rigged deck
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The league is after all our bread and butter. Without it and the revenue it generates, the club would be in the stink, people wouldn't have jobs and the fans would desert the club.
The Cup is a nice to win, for the big clubs (i.e. us) the early rounds of the Cup are a distraction from the day-to-day, it's the latter stages or when playing a big rival, that the Cup generates interest these days.
If we can't challenge for the cups AND maintain our place in the Premier League, then we're no longer a big club.
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It is all on Talk Sport as well now. They must have misheard Lambert also.
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They will just sensationalise it in order to increase listening figures.
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It's not mis-hearing Lambert, it's choosing to interpret his words in the worst possible light in order to make a non-story in to something sensational.
It's what the media do innit?
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I remember the days when FA Cup attendances were nearly always a good size above league ones. And the main ambition of just about every player was to win it.
Season 67/68 which I remember.
R3. Millwall at home. 34,703 for the cup game, 14,891 for the league game.
R4. Rotherham at home. 33,442 for the cup game, 13,673 for the league game.
Was it that year or 68/69 when we played QPR in the cup and somehow got 40,000 who cranked up the atmosphere to turn around a 0-1 half time score to win 2-1.
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I still can't totally get my head around squad rotation for clubs that aren't in Europe. Also, struggling clubs playing weaker sides in the cup. Surely a win not only gets you through to the next round but helps confidence for the league campaign.
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The league is after all our bread and butter. Without it and the revenue it generates, the club would be in the stink, people wouldn't have jobs and the fans would desert the club.
The Cup is a nice to win, for the big clubs (i.e. us) the early rounds of the Cup are a distraction from the day-to-day, it's the latter stages or when playing a big rival, that the Cup generates interest these days.
If we can't challenge for the cups AND maintain our place in the Premier League, then we're no longer a big club.
We're big in terms of most of football in this country, however, I'm under no illusion that we aren't one of the big five or six in many ways and haven't been for a while.
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Tayls is on Radio 5 Live shortly to discuss the importance of the Cup
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I paid £10 for my ticket in the Lower North.
I paid £20 in the upper Witton Lane and I asked for your seat. P4 AA 193. The lad swore that's where you sit.
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He's a few blocks out then.
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We're big in terms of most of football in this country, however, I'm under no illusion that we aren't one of the big five or six in many ways and haven't been for a while.
May be not top 5/6 but we are definitely in the list of biggest 10 clubs in this country. So if 64 set out in the third round one of the big 10 should be planning to win it not treating it with disdain.
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Ian Taylor, speaking on Radio 5 Live a few moments ago, broadly agrees with PL. He says it's regrettable, but the league brings in the money and it's understandable that clubs give it the priority over the cup
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@MatKendrick: After Paul Lambert's comments, I fear Sheffield United are going to have more than just the 5,000 fans in the away end cheering them on.
@MatKendrick: Regardless of what PL said or how it has been interpreted, the biggest shame is Villa feel they can no longer 'compete' on more than 1 front
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Football in the top division really is dreadful these days. There are teams shitting their pants at the thought of not being in the Champions League and the rest are absolutely terrified of losing their Premier League place. There is no free spirit or a will to just go out and compete in everything that your club can achieve.
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Look at the team selections this weekend from the Prem league sides and then tell me it's only Lambert you prioritizes league ...
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@MatKendrick: Regardless of what PL said or how it has been interpreted, the biggest shame is Villa feel they can no longer 'compete' on more than 1 front
Lambert didn't really say that either, so Kendrick has misinterpreted it himself.
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Look at the team selections this weekend from the Prem league sides and then tell me it's only Lambert you prioritizes league ...
Exactly.
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@MatKendrick: After Paul Lambert's comments, I fear Sheffield United are going to have more than just the 5,000 fans in the away end cheering them on.
@MatKendrick: Regardless of what PL said or how it has been interpreted, the biggest shame is Villa feel they can no longer 'compete' on more than 1 front
MK on a bit of a downer, has he moved to WM?
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Look at the team selections this weekend from the Prem league sides and then tell me it's only Lambert you prioritizes league ...
Exactly.
I support Aston Villa. I care about Aston Villa. I don't give a **** what others do.
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@MatKendrick: After Paul Lambert's comments, I fear Sheffield United are going to have more than just the 5,000 fans in the away end cheering them on.
@MatKendrick: Regardless of what PL said or how it has been interpreted, the biggest shame is Villa feel they can no longer 'compete' on more than 1 front
The problem with Twitter and posting snippets like this above is a lot of people have not read the whole article and only seen little comments and then make their own mind up on what is said. Then it is "tweeted" then it is cut and pasted and re-posted, again not in it's whole context. Then of course the people who do not like Lambert have a little bit more ammunition to cause a bit more stirring.
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I wouldn't have too much of a problem if he threw in Gardner or Helenius for a game.
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I'd like to see Helenius again, see what he's like. I'm only guessing but I reckon Bowery must put a good shift in during training as he seems to get the nod first. But then again we don't do any training do we, so we're now told.
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Look at the team selections this weekend from the Prem league sides and then tell me it's only Lambert you prioritizes league ...
Exactly.
I support Aston Villa. I care about Aston Villa. I don't give a **** what others do.
I think every fan up and down the country agrees with you, and wants to see their team win the FA Cup. Unfortunately, the reality of it is, and sad though it might be, or have become, staying in the PL is more important for some, or qualifying and staying in a CL spot will be for others. That's the way of the world now. Not saying it's right or fair, but teams outside the top 3 or 4 have their resources stretched, and especially over Christmas. Look at us now with our injuries. they just pile up which again brings up the winter break argument. As fans we would hate a winter break because the Christmas/New Year games are great to look forward to. The manager's of the sides where they might not have the same squad depth might not see it the same way because they are trying to bandage together a side.
All Lambert was saying that on top of everything else, and with the money represented by the PL, that cup competitions at this time of year are a distraction. I'm sure in a perfect world he'd want 25 fit and experienced players playing on multiple fronts, but most teams aren't blessed that way.
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Every fan of a certain age and background agrees. Far too many don't.
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Every fan of a certain age and background agrees. Far too many don't.
Spot on.
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As long as the financial rewards for winning the trophy are as comparatively disparate compared to just surviving, then this is going to be the case.
Don't blame Lambert, or any other manager. It's the system that's wrong.
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As long as the financial rewards for winning the trophy are as comparatively disparate compared to just surviving, then this is going to be the case.
Don't blame Lambert, or any other manager. It's the system that's wrong.
Quite. But even if the FA Cup had a 4th place CL reward for example I imagine a number of clubs would still see having a squad healthy for the PL as better odds of financially security than risking it all on FA Cup glory.
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The time it changed for me was when Liverpool won 3 cups under Houllier in 2001. Yes 3.
Despite this he stated that the most important thing that year was to hold off Leeds United's challenge and secure 3rd place.
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As long as the financial rewards for winning the trophy are as comparatively disparate compared to just surviving, then this is going to be the case.
Don't blame Lambert, or any other manager. It's the system that's wrong.
Quite. But even if the FA Cup had a 4th place CL reward for example I imagine a number of clubs would still see having a squad healthy for the PL as better odds of financially security than risking it all on FA Cup glory.
I don't know, six games to potentially net you £25 million and lure a lot of top players? I think a lot of mid-ranking clubs would gamble on that. It could be just the game changing boost a side between 12th and 6th needs.
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As long as the financial rewards for winning the trophy are as comparatively disparate compared to just surviving, then this is going to be the case.
Don't blame Lambert, or any other manager. It's the system that's wrong.
Quite. But even if the FA Cup had a 4th place CL reward for example I imagine a number of clubs would still see having a squad healthy for the PL as better odds of financially security than risking it all on FA Cup glory.
I don't know, six games to potentially net you £25 million and lure a lot of top players? I think a lot of mid-ranking clubs would gamble on that. It could be just the game changing boost a side between 12th and 6th needs.
Problem is that even if you do go for it, the big boys start taking it seriously come the semis and the chances are that one of them will do you.
Everton have had a go in recent years, but then they've been firmly entrenched in the upper half of the table so it makes sense.
We're coming into the fourth season in a row where we're a bit too close for comfort to the relegation spots, so it's no surprise where our priorities lie. Going balls out for it now would be touching on negligent.
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As long as the financial rewards for winning the trophy are as comparatively disparate compared to just surviving, then this is going to be the case.
Don't blame Lambert, or any other manager. It's the system that's wrong.
Quite. But even if the FA Cup had a 4th place CL reward for example I imagine a number of clubs would still see having a squad healthy for the PL as better odds of financially security than risking it all on FA Cup glory.
I don't know, six games to potentially net you £25 million and lure a lot of top players? I think a lot of mid-ranking clubs would gamble on that. It could be just the game changing boost a side between 12th and 6th needs.
if you made winning the FA Cup a CL spot then the big teams would take it seriously from the off, and it becomes even more attractive to those top sides on the fringes of the CL. Look at Man U this season for example. It's possible they won't qualify for the CL through the league. CL money is so critical to them that they would likely field close to a full side for every round of the FA Cup to win it and get into the CL. That doesn't help sides in the mid to lower end of the PL table who have their squads stretched the max already and now have to compete with the top teams fielding strong sides or even less than full strength sides that are in many cases better than anything a mid table side could put out.
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The time it changed for me was when Liverpool won 3 cups under Houllier in 2001. Yes 3.
Despite this he stated that the most important thing that year was to hold off Leeds United's challenge and secure 3rd place.
Agreed
Add to this the joy Wenger and the board of Arsenal have when they scrape into the 4th spot - even though every fan is crying out for an end to their 8 year trophy famine
The fact that the FA themselves supported the red filth to "opt out" for commercial gain - that was the real end to the FA cup, and all part to that decision knew it.
The fact that Fergiscum was the first manager to take the piss with weakened teams, it got so bad that certain managers in prem games openly said "we cannot win at Chelski et al so we will send a 2nd team"
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We're coming into the fourth season in a row where we're a bit too close for comfort to the relegation spots, so it's no surprise where our priorities lie. Going balls out for it now would be touching on negligent.
In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
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@MatKendrick: Regardless of what PL said or how it has been interpreted, the biggest shame is Villa feel they can no longer 'compete' on more than 1 front
Now aint that the truth ...
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I don't think the FA's decision in 1999 had much to do with it. The FA Cup was doomed from the moment Sky won the rights to show the Premier League, which they were always going to throw their influence behind it as the only show in town.
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The FA Cup is doomed when fans don't think it's important.
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Win the FA Cup and fans are happy but it does little for our wider prospects. Get relegated and good players leave. Sadly, that's the climate a manager works in.
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The FA Cup is doomed when fans don't think it's important.
It's on it's way then.
Have a look at the attendances tomorrow, and that will be, by and large, with much cheaper tickets.
Having said that, the early rounds of the Cup, and by that I mean before the 1st Round Proper, are great. There you will see clubs who really want to be in it.
Some of them start in the FA Cup before they have played a league game.
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I also think it is possibly a generational thing.
I am 45, and remember growing up, football mad, in the 1970s, and FA Cup final day was a massive event, the coverage would run pretty much for hours before the match started.
For younger people, they won't have this memory and think more about the league or the champions league.
It's probably also worth remembering that in the 70s, there were at most a handful of football matches on live all year, which added to making the Cup final an event.
These days, you can watch football every minute of the day if you want to.
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The FA Cup is doomed when fans don't think it's important.
It's on it's way then.
Have a look at the attendances tomorrow, and that will be, by and large, with much cheaper tickets.
Having said that, the early rounds of the Cup, and by that I mean before the 1st Round Proper, are great. There you will see clubs who really want to be in it.
Some of them start in the FA Cup before they have played a league game.
With players who are making a bit on the side from overseas betting syndicates.
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The FA Cup is doomed when fans don't think it's important.
It's on it's way then.
Have a look at the attendances tomorrow, and that will be, by and large, with much cheaper tickets.
Having said that, the early rounds of the Cup, and by that I mean before the 1st Round Proper, are great. There you will see clubs who really want to be in it.
Some of them start in the FA Cup before they have played a league game.
That's the glory of the cup. There are winners at every stage of the competition, from the club with an average gate of 25 who get 500 in the second qualifying round, through Chasetown setting themselves up for years on the back of a good run and dustmen marking internationals until the eventual winners who nine times out of ten don't really care about it.
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The FA Cup has totally lost it's magic. No one gives a great deal of a toss about it any more which is a shame. It's not far off the League Cup in toss giving now.
Every team in the bottom half of the Prem would rather have survival over winning the Prem. Every one in the top half would rather grab a top 4 placing at the expense of the FA Cup given the choice.
It's a sad indictment of the modern game. You can't even rely on the F.A Cup being given it's prime 3pm final kick off these days. And the magic of playing at Wembley seems long forgotten now. The new stadium hasn't got the same aura, and also using Wembley as a semi-final venue for a few years also hampered the impact of the final too IMO. The F.A don't appear to give much of a toss about the cup, so it's not surprising clubs don't particularly either.
I'd love for us to win the cup. It it were to negatively impact our league position and increase the threat of relegation, then probably not. But lets be honest. Half a dozenish extra games isn't gonna make much of a difference to us really.
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These days, you can watch football every minute of the day if you want to.
Which is why it's gone full circle for me. I watch football on tv but only when it suits me despite what Mrs S says, there's such an overload. What used to be the highlight of the year as someone posted earlier, Eastie I think, the F.A. Cup Final was the one live match of the year and something to look forward to and savoured. Now it is just something put on television to solely to fill in the schedule time.
Nowadays, the highlight of the year footballing wise is, a trip down the Villa. The only problem with that is, that every time I'm home Villa are either away or, as last October there was a fecking international weekend!
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Indie (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/jose-mourinho-disagrees-with-paul-lambert-and-says-fa-cup-retains-a-special-meaning-9037577.html)
Jose Mourinho disagrees with Paul Lambert and says FA Cup retains a 'special meaning'
Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho believes the FA Cup has “a special meaning” and disagrees with Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert's assessment that the tournament is an unnecessary distraction.
Lambert suggested the competition is an unwelcome one for Premier League clubs, but Mourinho, who won the trophy in 2007 during his first spell at Chelsea.
"The FA Cup has a special feeling, a special meaning," Mourinho said.
"I was lucky to win lots of trophies but to win the FA Cup at Wembley and feel what it means was one of my high moments in my career. "I have a good feeling for the competition and the good things this country has in terms of football I think we have to keep them."
Mourinho sees no reason why clubs not involved in European competition do not take the FA Cup seriously.
He added: "I don't agree (with Lambert), but Paul has the right to express his opinion and he has a right to think differently than I think. And I have the right to think differently than he does.
"Especially for teams without European competition, where they play 38 matches during a (Premier League) season, and where FA Cup matches come not in midweek matches but one more weekend with football, I don't see a reason for the clubs for not trying to win matches."
PA
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Really, we should be able to get past Sheffield United with plenty to spare, and given the points made above re the league situation, I'd expect him to do try and do just that.
I'd like to see Helenius, more than anything, especially given the Kozak situation.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
Can you tell me where he said that, please, only I've looked everywhere and I can't find it.
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Indie (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/jose-mourinho-disagrees-with-paul-lambert-and-says-fa-cup-retains-a-special-meaning-9037577.html)
Jose Mourinho disagrees with Paul Lambert and says FA Cup retains a 'special meaning'
Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho believes the FA Cup has “a special meaning” and disagrees with Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert's assessment that the tournament is an unnecessary distraction.
Lambert suggested the competition is an unwelcome one for Premier League clubs, but Mourinho, who won the trophy in 2007 during his first spell at Chelsea.
"The FA Cup has a special feeling, a special meaning," Mourinho said.
"I was lucky to win lots of trophies but to win the FA Cup at Wembley and feel what it means was one of my high moments in my career. "I have a good feeling for the competition and the good things this country has in terms of football I think we have to keep them."
Mourinho sees no reason why clubs not involved in European competition do not take the FA Cup seriously.
He added: "I don't agree (with Lambert), but Paul has the right to express his opinion and he has a right to think differently than I think. And I have the right to think differently than he does.
"Especially for teams without European competition, where they play 38 matches during a (Premier League) season, and where FA Cup matches come not in midweek matches but one more weekend with football, I don't see a reason for the clubs for not trying to win matches."
PA
Uh huh.
No more than one or two changes to your team from the last game then Jose?
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Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/9100153/newcastle-manager-alan-pardew-understands-paul-lamberts-fa-cup-views)
Newcastle manager Alan Pardew understands Paul Lambert's FA Cup views
Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew says he understands why Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert sees participation in the FA Cup of lesser importance than the Premier League.
Lambert suggested many top-flight managers would prefer to avoid the FA Cup altogether claiming Premier League survival is a much greater priority.
Speaking ahead of Newcastle's third-round tie with Cardiff City on Saturday, Pardew said he sympathised with Lambert's stance, insisting football's authorities must seriously rethink the competition's current format.
"I've got some opinions on this which I think most Premier League managers will share with me," Pardew said.
"The devaluing of this competition is the scheduling of it and they really need to look at that because this will be our fifth game in 15 days and the FA Cup falls right on the back of the Christmas programme.
"I think that's wrong and I think the league need to look at that or the FA or whoever's in charge of the scheduling and move it because I don't think it's right.
"I don't think it's fair on Premier League managers and I sympathise with Paul and I sympathise with a lot of the teams down the bottom of the league where they're going to be looking at their survival which is financially massive."
"For us, fortunately, we've got ourselves in a good position and we can attack the game which we will.
"We are going to use some fresh players because of the nature of where it's at and as I say that needs to be looked at in my opinion if they want the FA Cup to go back to its former glories."
Newcastle will be Ole Gunnar Solksjaer's first opposition following his appointment as Cardiff City's new manager on Thursday.
Pardew acknowledged Cardiff will be boosted by the Norwegian's arrival but insisted his side remain firm favourites to progress to the fourth-round of the competition.
"They will get a boost," admitted Pardew. "I've seen Mark Hudson's interview this morning - Mark is a player I know well I had him as captain at Charlton - he'll get a new lease of life of course that's what goes right across the board.
"Everybody will get a little lift from that and we'll be on our guard for it but there's nothing we can do about it. We can only put our best performance out, we're still the favourites to win, we're at home and I really hope we can win."
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It used to be a nice end to the Christmas programme, back in the days when three games a week was what clubs did. Now it's a pain in their pampered arses.
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For the benefit of anybody who has not read it, the book From Tividale To Wembley is superb.
It follows Tividale through the competition from a Preliminary Round, then the team who beat them and so on until the final.
Unfortunately, Liverpool, the eventual winners, came into the story at the Fifth Round so spoiled it a bit.
The days when the man in the white coat climbed onto the rostrum at Wembley to lead the community singing at the FA Cup Final have gone.
The Football League Championship Trophy, that carries the name of famous old clubs from years gone by, now carries the names of relative minnows.
Maybe they should play it all behind closed doors and see how many bother to tune in to any live coverage.
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Win the FA Cup and fans are happy but it does little for our wider prospects. Get relegated and good players leave. Sadly, that's the climate a manager works in.
Aren't our wider prospects served by having happy fans? Or creating new fans?
As I said before - why can't a club of our size challenge for the cups AND retain our Premier League place? Why is it either/or?
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The cups are realistically the only things we are likely to win in our lifetimes and last season showed that even an under-performing team can get to a semi-final, which on paper was the easiest one we are ever likely to have. I wish we did take them seriously...
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The time it changed for me was when Liverpool won 3 cups under Houllier in 2001. Yes 3.
Despite this he stated that the most important thing that year was to hold off Leeds United's challenge and secure 3rd place.
Agreed
Add to this the joy Wenger and the board of Arsenal have when they scrape into the 4th spot - even though every fan is crying out for an end to their 8 year trophy famine
The fact that the FA themselves supported the red filth to "opt out" for commercial gain - that was the real end to the FA cup, and all part to that decision knew it.
The fact that Fergiscum was the first manager to take the piss with weakened teams, it got so bad that certain managers in prem games openly said "we cannot win at Chelski et al so we will send a 2nd team"
Yep and I believe it was Captain Crutches at Albion who did it so overtly in December 2004 I think v Chelsea.
Then again all of Fergie's accolytes (Hughes aside) seemed to send weakened teams to Theatre of Dreams during his reign - at least psychologically weakened.
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The FA Cup is quite simply the oldest and greatest cup competition in the magnificent history of worldwide football. But nothing matters now except money and instant success does it? And Sky of course!
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Ok, I've heard it all now. They're talking about this on Talksport. One presenter is basically sticking up for Lambert and said that Chelsea will most likely make loads of changes for their cup game. Darren Gough replied that if we called back 'all' our loan players, we would have just as strong a team out than them.
He should stick to talking about cricket. What a uninformed load of bollocks.
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The time it changed for me was when Liverpool won 3 cups under Houllier in 2001. Yes 3.
Despite this he stated that the most important thing that year was to hold off Leeds United's challenge and secure 3rd place.
Agreed
Add to this the joy Wenger and the board of Arsenal have when they scrape into the 4th spot - even though every fan is crying out for an end to their 8 year trophy famine
The fact that the FA themselves supported the red filth to "opt out" for commercial gain - that was the real end to the FA cup, and all part to that decision knew it.
The fact that Fergiscum was the first manager to take the piss with weakened teams, it got so bad that certain managers in prem games openly said "we cannot win at Chelski et al so we will send a 2nd team"
Yep and I believe it was Captain Crutches at Albion who did it so overtly in December 2004 I think v Chelsea.
Then again all of Fergie's accolytes (Hughes aside) seemed to send weakened teams to Theatre of Dreams during his reign - at least psychologically weakened.
It's strange how the Albion do things that anyone else would get slaughtered for. See also Benito Anelka.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
Can you tell me where he said that, please, only I've looked everywhere and I can't find it.
I did not say he said it. However the implication is good enough for me. My season ticket allows me to see the stiffs/under21s play for free. I do not see why I should pay 20 quid for the privilege, particularly if it means going out of cup. I'm sorry Dave but last years FA Cup exit and this years League cup exit were two kicks in the bollocks too many.
I love the cups, i've seen us win four League cups and I desperately want to see us win the FA cup but as you say, the modern game is all about league position. That being the case, if Villa can't be bothered then neither can I. I will take the hint that Lambert will field an understrength team and act accordingly. I also realize that this will void my right to bitch about or celebrate the result.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
Can you tell me where he said that, please, only I've looked everywhere and I can't find it.
I did not say he said it. However the implication is good enough for me. My season ticket allows me to see the stiffs/under21s play for free. I do not see why I should pay 20 quid for the privilege, particularly if it means going out of cup.
Do you really think that he is going to play a team full of reserves tomorrow? Why would he, he didn't against Ipswich season.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
Can you tell me where he said that, please, only I've looked everywhere and I can't find it.
I did not say he said it. However the implication is good enough for me. My season ticket allows me to see the stiffs/under21s play for free. I do not see why I should pay 20 quid for the privilege, particularly if it means going out of cup. I'm sorry Dave but last years FA Cup exit and this years League cup exit were two kicks in the bollocks too many.
I love the cups, i've seen us win four League cups and I desperately want to see us win the FA cup but as you say, the modern game is all about league position. That being the case, if Villa can't be bothered then neither can I. I will take the hint that Lambert will field an understrength team and act accordingly. I also realize that this will void my right to bitch about or celebrate the result.
He's not said anything you couldn't have worked out anyway so why should that make any difference, and why should a full-strength team losing a semi-final last season impact on a decision you've made today?
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Indie (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/jose-mourinho-disagrees-with-paul-lambert-and-says-fa-cup-retains-a-special-meaning-9037577.html)
Jose Mourinho disagrees with Paul Lambert and says FA Cup retains a 'special meaning'
Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho believes the FA Cup has “a special meaning” and disagrees with Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert's assessment that the tournament is an unnecessary distraction.
Lambert suggested the competition is an unwelcome one for Premier League clubs, but Mourinho, who won the trophy in 2007 during his first spell at Chelsea.
"The FA Cup has a special feeling, a special meaning," Mourinho said.
"I was lucky to win lots of trophies but to win the FA Cup at Wembley and feel what it means was one of my high moments in my career. "I have a good feeling for the competition and the good things this country has in terms of football I think we have to keep them."
Mourinho sees no reason why clubs not involved in European competition do not take the FA Cup seriously.
He added: "I don't agree (with Lambert), but Paul has the right to express his opinion and he has a right to think differently than I think. And I have the right to think differently than he does.
"Especially for teams without European competition, where they play 38 matches during a (Premier League) season, and where FA Cup matches come not in midweek matches but one more weekend with football, I don't see a reason for the clubs for not trying to win matches."
PA
Uh huh.
No more than one or two changes to your team from the last game then Jose?
To be fair they've got enough depth to field an immensely strong team with far more than two changes.
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Indie (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/jose-mourinho-disagrees-with-paul-lambert-and-says-fa-cup-retains-a-special-meaning-9037577.html)
Jose Mourinho disagrees with Paul Lambert and says FA Cup retains a 'special meaning'
Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho believes the FA Cup has “a special meaning” and disagrees with Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert's assessment that the tournament is an unnecessary distraction.
Lambert suggested the competition is an unwelcome one for Premier League clubs, but Mourinho, who won the trophy in 2007 during his first spell at Chelsea.
"The FA Cup has a special feeling, a special meaning," Mourinho said.
"I was lucky to win lots of trophies but to win the FA Cup at Wembley and feel what it means was one of my high moments in my career. "I have a good feeling for the competition and the good things this country has in terms of football I think we have to keep them."
Mourinho sees no reason why clubs not involved in European competition do not take the FA Cup seriously.
He added: "I don't agree (with Lambert), but Paul has the right to express his opinion and he has a right to think differently than I think. And I have the right to think differently than he does.
"Especially for teams without European competition, where they play 38 matches during a (Premier League) season, and where FA Cup matches come not in midweek matches but one more weekend with football, I don't see a reason for the clubs for not trying to win matches."
PA
Uh huh.
No more than one or two changes to your team from the last game then Jose?
To be fair they've got enough depth to field an immensely strong team with far more than two changes.
Agreed - so there is a hollow ring to his initial comment. Anyone can take all competitions seriously when you can field 2 full strength teams due to unlimited funds.
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
Can you tell me where he said that, please, only I've looked everywhere and I can't find it.
I did not say he said it. However the implication is good enough for me. My season ticket allows me to see the stiffs/under21s play for free. I do not see why I should pay 20 quid for the privilege, particularly if it means going out of cup.
Do you really think that he is going to play a team full of reserves tomorrow? Why would he, he didn't against Ipswich season.
Do you honestly expect to see Benteke tomorrow? Vlaar? Guzan?
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The team that played against Ipswich last year in the 3rd Round.
Given, Lichaj, Clark, Baker, Bennett, Albrighton, Bannan, Delph, N'Zogbia, Bowery, Bent.
Subs: Guzan, Weimann, Ireland, Gabby, Carruthers, Stevens, Benteke.
Weimann, Gabby and Ireland all came on as sub.
Not exactly a team of stiffs is it?
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Every year we get upset when there are weakened teams picked in the cups. And every year our lowest gates are in the cups.
Maybe the crowds are low because of the weakened teams? I'm not going because i'm fed up of watching our stiffs in cup games. If you remember I said that to you after the Spurs LC game. If the club don't take it seriously then they can't expect me to spend my hard earned.
I have to agree. I was going tomorrow but now I think i'll save my 20 quid. Thanks for the warning you will be taking the piss tomorrow Mr. Lambert.
Can you tell me where he said that, please, only I've looked everywhere and I can't find it.
I did not say he said it. However the implication is good enough for me. My season ticket allows me to see the stiffs/under21s play for free. I do not see why I should pay 20 quid for the privilege, particularly if it means going out of cup. I'm sorry Dave but last years FA Cup exit and this years League cup exit were two kicks in the bollocks too many.
I love the cups, i've seen us win four League cups and I desperately want to see us win the FA cup but as you say, the modern game is all about league position. That being the case, if Villa can't be bothered then neither can I. I will take the hint that Lambert will field an understrength team and act accordingly. I also realize that this will void my right to bitch about or celebrate the result.
He's not said anything you couldn't have worked out anyway so why should that make any difference, and why should a full-strength team losing a semi-final last season impact on a decision you've made today?
Maybe it's the fact that it has been aired. I consider myself an optimist but my optimism has been replaced by resignation. I dont need it coming from the horses mouth - he should have kept his fucking gob shut!
Last years exit was a gutter simply because we lost after winning.
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you're resigned to what? I'm not following you. From your comments it's as if you are suggesting Lambert will throw the game tomorrow which is complete nonsense.
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
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Where are people getting their information from? Are people just reading a headline or the full interview? I don't recall Lambert saying anything particularly wrong, he just gave an honest answer.
As bad as Muriniho's interview is Pardew's is the most annoying as he apparently feels sorry for those clubs like us who can't take it seriously this year as we're so involved in the relegation battle. We'll wave to them when we pass them again.....I so wish they'd gone down last year.
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
That would be the same Rodney Marsh who said he's never liked us since his wife (or possibly mother) got abused by our supporters in 1969?
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yes, Rodney you dopey bastard, that's exactly what we're doing. And what's your former team Fulham going to do this weekend then? And I bet QPR last season did the same and still wish they were in the PL.
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
That would be the same Rodney Marsh who said he's never liked us since his wife (or possibly mother) got abused by our supporters in 1969?
Rodney "I am off to the states to cash in" Marsh.
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yes, Rodney you dopey bastard, that's exactly what we're doing. And what's your former team Fulham going to do this weekend then? And I bet QPR last season did the same and still wish they were in the PL.
I live near the QPR ground and was walking back from the gym during their home cup tie last season - the day after we lost at Millwall.
The streets were surprisingly busy given there was still a half hour to go and I asked somebody the score, thinking I had the kick off time wrong. They, and hundreds of others, had left early as they were losing 4-0 at home to a lower league team, maybe MK Dons.
Haha Rodney.
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
What a miserable existence for Rodney Marsh when his gobshiting has restricted his media career to appearances in the likes of Cash in the Attic
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Vlaar aside, it'd better be a side that's more than capable of winning tomorrow (on paper at least).
And Benteke should be the first name on the team sheet. He needs minutes and goals and with no other game for 9 days this is the perfect one for him to get going again.
In fact with no game on the immediate horizon I see no reason why we shouldn't be giving it the full 100%. We are after all supposed to be PREPARED.
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Lambert may have a point but it doesn't do much to lift the spirits around the club.
At least when we soft-pedalled the UEFA Cup we were aiming for 4th. Now we're concentrating on staying up.
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My take on this is that there's a lot left unsaid that would add context.
Both cups are an unnecessary distraction for the manager because a manager lives and dies by league form. Win the cup and get relegated and you're on borrowed time. Go out of the cups early but sit comfortably (for your board's ambition) in the league and your job is safe, generally.
For the players it's similar, from a career point of view playing well in cup games doesn't make much difference, but playing well in the league is key, play well enough in the league and you get rested for the early rounds of the cup. I reckon this would change in the semi-final, where the chance of a medal starts to become real.
For the club and the fans however I think the cups are much more important, even younger fans of most clubs would be chuffed with a cup win, which is good for the club, at the most base level, because happy fans spend more money.
Much as I do't like to bring it up, look at blues, the fans loved their cup win and the bragging rights it gave them, but it didn't stop a hell of a lot of them wanting McLeish out for getting them relegated though.
I really don't see the problem with his answer, he's not even said anything specific to us, he just generically answered a very leading question as honestly as he could.
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
That would be the same Rodney Marsh who said he's never liked us since his wife (or possibly mother) got abused by our supporters in 1969?
Probably but the point's still valid.
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The team that played against Ipswich last year in the 3rd Round.
Given, Lichaj, Clark, Baker, Bennett, Albrighton, Bannan, Delph, N'Zogbia, Bowery, Bent.
Subs: Guzan, Weimann, Ireland, Gabby, Carruthers, Stevens, Benteke.
Weimann, Gabby and Ireland all came on as sub.
Not exactly a team of stiffs is it?
That's nice an' all but I dont recall any big hoo-hah involving our manager implying that the FA cup is a pain in the arse last year. My question still stands; do you, after hearing & reading about Lamberts comments expect to see our front-line striker, centre-half and keeper start tomorrow? I'd probably throw Gabby and Bacuna in to that question too.
Being ultra-pessimistic I reckon tomorrows line up will be:
-------------Steer
Bennett Herd Baker Lowton
Tonev KEA Sylla Gardner Albrighton
-----------Helenius
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
That would be the same Rodney Marsh who said he's never liked us since his wife (or possibly mother) got abused by our supporters in 1969?
Probably but the point's still valid.
From memory it was speculation about his wife and the milkman. Or was that Stan Bowles?
Or a milkman who liked WAGS!
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Easy for managers like Moaninio to bang on about how great the cup is when he can pick an entirely different set of 11 players, capable of winning their tie, should he choose to.
I'd love us to have a good cup run, but consider this. Win tomorrow and we have a 4th round tie which potentially, could be 2 days before the Albion game. What takes priority then?
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Outspoken former soccer player and pundit Rodney Marsh has taken a swipe at Aston Villa and the club's 'miserable existence'.
He was tweeting in the wake of Paul Lambert's controversial comments about the FA Cup and said: "What a miserable existence for Aston Villa fans when your club's only goal is to avoid relegation .
That would be the same Rodney Marsh who said he's never liked us since his wife (or possibly mother) got abused by our supporters in 1969?
Probably but the point's still valid.
Given that he's making up a fabricated tale with regards to a comment which has been twisted out of context then the point is very much not valid.
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Stan Bowles SG. A great character and a very skillful footballer. Theres a picture of him showing Stanley filling in his pools coupon by the goalpost just before a corner. I think its in his autobiography.
Marsh and Franny Lee invented diving for penalties..... Doug invented everything else!
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I am far from pleased because the ITV News coverage of Lambert's comments was not fronted up by Damon. They had him out in the West Country getting wet. I did not raise my children to get wet in Somerset when there are Aston Villa managers to interview.
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I am far from pleased because the ITV News coverage of Lambert's comments was not fronted up by Damon. They had him out in the West Country getting wet. I did not raise my children to get wet in Somerset when there are Aston Villa managers to interview.
Disgraceful. He needs to engineer a move to the BBC or Sky. Or buy an umbrella.
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Or buy one of those hat/umbrella combo things. He's look dead cool in one of those.
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As you have probably worked out we are a family who hate most things most of the time. Damon really really really hates the BBC and Sky.
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But does he hate these?
(http://theadventuresoflizzie.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/hats55umbrellahat-1.jpg)
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Given that he's making up a fabricated tale with regards to a comment which has been twisted out of context then the point is very much not valid.
As disinterested as I am in anything Marsh says, the point really is that there is evidently a perception out there about the status of the Villa at the moment. And that perception, rightly or wrongly, stems in part from comments made by our manager. I'm not aware of Lambert having made any Hoddle-esque 'I never said them things' response, so I can only take the reports at face value.
And they're not great reading. Like I said, he may have a point but it's not going to help morale much.
As for Marsh, or indeed anyone who doesn't have positive things to say about the Villa, I think a thicker skin is required.
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Appalling. Nick Owen got to interview Doug at stately Doug Manor's and no doubt Heidi provided fresh scones for their enjoyment
Damon Green in flooded street,News at Ten.
and throughly pi$$$d off! off camera....like BFR
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Given that he's making up a fabricated tale with regards to a comment which has been twisted out of context then the point is very much not valid.
As disinterested as I am in anything Marsh says, the point really is that there is evidently a perception out there about the status of the Villa at the moment. And that perception, rightly or wrongly, stems in part from comments made by our manager. I'm not aware of Lambert having made any Hoddle-esque 'I never said them things' response, so I can only take the reports at face value.
And they're not great reading. Like I said, he may have a point but it's not going to help morale much.
As for Marsh, or indeed anyone who doesn't have positive things to say about the Villa, I think a thicker skin is required.
What he said is indisputable. He said it. The way it has been taken out of context is, in a way, laughable
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As you have probably worked out we are a family who hate most things most of the time. Damon really really really hates the BBC and Sky.
Setanta?
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But does he hate these?
(http://theadventuresoflizzie.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/hats55umbrellahat-1.jpg)
I have to say, seeing someone being interviewed by a reporter wearing that would be worth the licence fee all on it's own.
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The media are only obsessing over Lambert's comments as it's in their interests to keep the FA Cup as a big deal. A poll done by TalkSport today saw roughly 60% of voters agreed with Lambert's comments.
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I am far from pleased because the ITV News coverage of Lambert's comments was not fronted up by Damon. They had him out in the West Country getting wet. I did not raise my children to get wet in Somerset when there are Aston Villa managers to interview.
Well at least they didn't send him to Lizard Point where the locals don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly to their peculiar ways. Probably end up like Edwood Wood-Wood in The Wicker Man.
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Rodney Marsh is an absolute bell end.
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I also don't understand why it's not possible to envisage competing properly in the league and cup, especially for those premier league clubs like Villa who, with no European commitments, and with only 20 teams in the league, and with cup replays cut down, play far fewer games than ever used to be the case and on playing surfaces that are nothing like the mud heaps of the 70s/80s.
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Plus the number of players available/used. 14.
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Daily Heil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533256/Lee-Hendrie-Ive-played-Wembley-Villa-Lambert-got-one-wrong.html)
I've played at Wembley for Villa and Lambert has got this one wrong...
By Neil Moxley
Lee Hendrie played for Aston Villa between 1995 and 2007 and ran out at Wembley for his first professional club. Here, he tells NEIL MOXLEY why the FA Cup still matters...
I was lucky enough to play for Aston Villa in the Premier League for over a decade - and I was fortunate to play for them in a FA Cup final.
I think I’ve got a decent perspective on my club. And I’m sorry to have to tell our current boss Paul Lambert that he’s called this one wrong.
He might have meant it with the best of intentions but he’s misjudged this. The FA Cup does matter. It matters to the players, it matters to the club but most of all, it matters to the supporters.
They can’t understand the pressure that Lambert is under to produce the results that will safeguard Villa’s position in the big-money league.
They don’t see the figures or the spreadsheets. They see the glory.
Of course, it doesn’t help that Villa have won this competition seven times. Even though the last time was in 1957, the FA Cup sits proudly on our honours’ board.
So the fans do feel a connection to it. And so do the players. It is a special day. I’ve spent the last couple of seasons in non-League and it’s a unique occasion when you play in the FA Cup.
Never mind the third round. What about the qualifying rounds or the first and second round proper?
The competition has given me some of the best days of my career.
was talking about it the other day with my wife when I was going through a few DVDs I’ve got of the games I played.
For instance, when we reached the final in 2000, it was an epic journey to get there.
We played Leeds United 3-2 in a televised game which will be remembered for Benito Carbone scoring a great 40-yarder past Nigel Martyn. Then we had a real struggle to beat Everton at Goodison.
Then there was the semi-final against at Wembley. I had been struggling with an ankle injury and was on the bench.
The game itself was uneventful but with about one minute to go before penalties, our manager, John Gregory shouted: ‘Quick, get your tracksuit off. I want you to go on and take one.’
I had hardly stepped onto the pitch when I took the second spot-kick. I think Gareth Barry had scored our first.
I hadn’t touched the ball. Millions were watching on the television, my family was up in the stands and I’ve been given a spot-kick that will be crucial in firing my club to an FA Cup final.
No pressure there then.
Jussi Jaaskelainen stood before me and I hit it sweetly. He got his fingertips to it....but it went in.
Running back to the centre circle to see my team-mates after scoring was one of the best feelings of my life. Mind you, taking the walk up there wasn’t that great.
Then there’s the build-up to the final. Getting your suits made, all the interviews and the hype and, playing at Wembley again.
People are talking about it. At the petrol station. At restaurants. Especially being a local lad, it’s in your face all the time. And for a good reasons, too. It’s your chance to write your name in the record books.
In the end, it was a disappointment as we lost to Chelsea. I was on the bench and didn’t come on until the last few minutes. But you can’t take it away from me.
Don’t forget, despite the fact that I played for my country at Wembley, the only other chance I had to do so was in the FA Cup.
I had been taken there, with fellow teenager Darren Byfield, and told to change into my strip before the 1996 League Cup final against Leeds United as we warmed up on the pitch beforehand.
That was a brilliant experience in itself. But to play in the FA Cup at Wembley... you are part of history.
So I would hate to think Lambert simply doesn’t acknowledge the importance of a competition that Villa could do well in.
I think he was being honest. He has probably voiced an opinion that other managers are scared of doing.
He is under pressure to keep Villa in the Premier League. But for the supporters, the game has to be about a bit more than that.
We took 40,000 fans to Wembley. I’m sure we could have sold twice that number of tickets.
So, it does matter. The fact is, people still do care about the FA Cup. I have no axe to grind with Villa’s manager but, like I say, I think he’s called this one wrong.
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Wasn't going to bother tomorrow but I do love the 3rd round of the FA Cup so just bought a ticket online. Went for the Print @ Home option but 15 minutes later haven't had an email to acknowledge the order or the ticket to print out. Anyone else used this before?
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In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
What gets me is that people somehow think playing 6 FA cup games will be a big burden for a team when basically they have about one game a week between now and end of the season.
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In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
What gets me is that people somehow think playing 6 FA cup games will be a big burden for a team when basically they have about one game a week between now and end of the season.
Exactly - how many midweek league games between now and end of April? 2 or 3?
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Rodney Marsh is an absolute bell end.
Yup
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In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
What gets me is that people somehow think playing 6 FA cup games will be a big burden for a team when basically they have about one game a week between now and end of the season.
Exactly - how many midweek league games between now and end of April? 2 or 3?
Whatever Lambert said, how can we be in a position that he deems to be so precarious that we treat the FA Cup lightly? Some may wish to resolutely follow the Club line, but dismissing the FA Cup at Round 3 is ridiculous.
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In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
What gets me is that people somehow think playing 6 FA cup games will be a big burden for a team when basically they have about one game a week between now and end of the season.
Exactly - how many midweek league games between now and end of April? 2 or 3?
Whatever Lambert said, how can we be in a position that he deems to be so precarious that we treat the FA Cup lightly? Some may wish to resolutely follow the Club line, but dismissing the FA Cup at Round 3 is ridiculous.
It's a good job he hasn't then.
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It is all on Talk Sport as well now. They must have misheard Lambert also.
Didn't hear this, but let me guess....the charming Micky Quinn???
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In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
What gets me is that people somehow think playing 6 FA cup games will be a big burden for a team when basically they have about one game a week between now and end of the season.
Exactly - how many midweek league games between now and end of April? 2 or 3?
Whatever Lambert said, how can we be in a position that he deems to be so precarious that we treat the FA Cup lightly? Some may wish to resolutely follow the Club line, but dismissing the FA Cup at Round 3 is ridiculous.
It's a good job he hasn't then.
Agree Dave. I wasn't refering to Lambert. Just others who suggested Lambert said it didn't matter.
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Rodney Marsh is an absolute bell end.
Yup
someone is trying to get into the public again the thick twat ;)
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love talk sport there all bell ends
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Let us pass judgement when we see the team sheet and know the final score. See you all at Villa Park tomorrow. May the best team win. Up the Villa
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In what position would you go for it then?
A few places higher and we would be looking at getting into Europe.
What gets me is that people somehow think playing 6 FA cup games will be a big burden for a team when basically they have about one game a week between now and end of the season.
True, but the reality is that our squad is pretty thin and some of our players appear to be made of straw. I can just imagine the fury on here if he put out his strongest team tomorrow and, say, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke were crocked for the rest of the season. It's not just about six games, it's about the impact they have on the other nineteen. Either way he'll be damned whatever he does in the eyes of some people.
(Oh, and in response to adrenachrome, who responded to my previous post, I feel compelled to point out that I am no longer a member of the press. That was a job I did for a brief period as a very junior member of staff, and it set me on my way to not becoming a sports reporter. I don't think you have too much to forgive me for...)
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Rodney Marsh is an absolute bell end.
That's really all that needs to be said.
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I am amazed by some of the comments by some posters and media reports having listened to the interview myself. There again, perhaps I am not surprised. Either people have not taken time to listen the interview, listen to it carefully or have a different agenda. It came out very clearly to me that he implied that, in the order of priorities, the PL would come first for the majority of the managers, which it does. Given a choice between the two, it would by the PL all day long. Those chasing CL places and those fighting relegation (and that starts from 10th place down according to some drama queens) are more interested in the PL, which leaves about four clubs having the luxury of not having to worry about any effect a cup run might have on their league position.
The 3rd and 4th rounds should not really effect things as they are free weekends in the PL but from the 5th (or is it 6th) round on, league games have to be postponed and played midweek to accommodate cup matches, just at a time when things become critical. Perhaps the answer is to allow teams that are not in Europe to play midweek games earlier in the season when the top teams are playing in Europe, thus freeing up time post Xmas but that would not suit TV who run the game now.
As somebody else pointed out, the most worrying comment from Lambert was the one about players being more interested in their contracts rather than winning things. Again, I believe he made the comment about the game in general rather than the Villa as was the whole tone of the interview. How do you motivate players to give them the edge if they are only interested in their contracts. I suppose the only answer is wages being more tied into results but the PFA do not want that.
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I am amazed by some of the comments by some posters and media reports having listened to the interview myself. There again, perhaps I am not surprised. Either people have not taken time to listen the interview, listen to it carefully or have a different agenda. It came out very clearly to me that he implied that, in the order of priorities, the PL would come first for the majority of the managers, which it does. Given a choice between the two, it would by the PL all day long. Those chasing CL places and those fighting relegation (and that starts from 10th place down according to some drama queens) are more interested in the PL, which leaves about four clubs having the luxury of not having to worry about any effect a cup run might have on their league position.
The 3rd and 4th rounds should not really effect things as they are free weekends in the PL but from the 5th (or is it 6th) round on, league games have to be postponed and played midweek to accommodate cup matches, just at a time when things become critical. Perhaps the answer is to allow teams that are not in Europe to play midweek games earlier in the season when the top teams are playing in Europe, thus freeing up time post Xmas but that would not suit TV who run the game now.
As somebody else pointed out, the most worrying comment from Lambert was the one about players being more interested in their contracts rather than winning things. Again, I believe he made the comment about the game in general rather than the Villa as was the whole tone of the interview. How do you motivate players to give them the edge if they are only interested in their contracts. I suppose the only answer is wages being more tied into results but the PFA do not want that.
Agreed. That's the way I heard it, too. You've put it much better than I ever could have. The entire interview was solely general questions and answers related to the declining importance of the FA cup status vs the need for continuing PL survival for most PL teams due to the financial gains involved - not anything to do with Aston Villa specifically.
The only part of the interview directly pertaining to Aston Villa was the question at the very end of the interview: whether Lambert's team selection on Saturday would be most affected by Lambert wanting to proceed to the next round in the cup or by the upcoming Arsenal game - to which he replied that it would have to be a little bit of both: he would want to progress in the cup if possible, the team vs Sheffield United might have to reflect both that there are players that would benefit from a run-out, and there's an upcoming match against Arsenal shortly afterwards.
To think I've thought from time to time that parts of the Norwegian media were reporting matters in a over-the-top sensationalistic manner.... they don't hold a candle to their English counterparts.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
Influential? A twat full of his own self importance more like.
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This reminds me of when The Rutles said they were bigger than Rod.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
Influential? A twat full of his own self importance more like.
What? The voice of the fans?
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While the media are obsessing about Lambert's comments they should cast a wider eye at supporters' attitudes to the FA Cup, especially at PL clubs, too. Villa have closed off sections of the ground and offered cheap tickets to entice supporters to the game (my normal ST seat in the Upper Holte is £15), and even with Sheffield bringing twice the normal away allowance the attendance today is likely to be well below any PL game at VP this season. The League Cup was downgraded ages ago, and the FA Cup is following the same trajectory. The incompetence of the FA coupled with the gravy train of the Premier League has de-valued all other football, and the 'magic' of the FA Cup now only exists for the lower league teams in the early rounds, with PL teams only twitching their snouts when they start to smell the money from a cup final appearance. It's called modern football, and if I wasn't hooked on Villa I'd loathe it with a passion.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
For many many reasons it would be great to get to the final, this would be one of them.
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It's not the supporters attitude that results in low attendance. Clubs are entirely to blame for this. Fans were not responsible for disrespecting the Cup by playing reserves. Team managers did that and once fans realised that they are being treated like idiots they will not turn up with their hard earned money to watch reserves.
Yes the cups have been turned into a farce by the FA and Premier League however NO blame should be attached to supporters attitude.
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It's not the supporters attitude that results in low attendance. Clubs are entirely to blame for this. Fans were not responsible for disrespecting the Cup by playing reserves. Team managers did that and once fans realised that they are being treated like idiots they will not turn up with their hard earned money to watch reserves.
Yes the cups have been turned into a farce by the FA and Premier League however NO blame should be attached to supporters attitude.
That's totally incorrect. I know that you're at the point of obsession with the FA Cup but the fact is that the new breed of football supporter has been brought up to believe that the Premier League is the only show in town.
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It's not the supporters attitude that results in low attendance. Clubs are entirely to blame for this. Fans were not responsible for disrespecting the Cup by playing reserves. Team managers did that and once fans realised that they are being treated like idiots they will not turn up with their hard earned money to watch reserves.
Yes the cups have been turned into a farce by the FA and Premier League however NO blame should be attached to supporters attitude.
Look up the line up for the Rotherham game earlier in the season and tell me how many were reserves?
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Clubs are responsible for changing attitudes by their team selection for the last 10 years or so and now they are reaping the "rewards"!
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Clubs are responsible for changing attitudes by their team selection for the last 10 years or so and now they are reaping the "rewards"!
Have you looked up the team we played against Rotherham yet?
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Look up the line up for the Rotherham game earlier in the season and tell me how many were reserves?
I am talking in general not just Villa however on this specific issue Villa have been in such a flux and flow that earlier in the season it was difficult to distinguish between reserves and first teamers. This usually becomes apparent after about 10 games.
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Look up the line up for the Rotherham game earlier in the season and tell me how many were reserves?
I am talking in general not just Villa however on this specific issue Villa have been in such a flux and flow that earlier in the season it was difficult to distinguish between reserves and first teamers. This usually becomes apparent after about 10 games.
But you said yesterday that you didn't care what other clubs did.
That means, no you haven't looked. Case closed, I win. Thanks for playing.
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Clubs are responsible for changing attitudes by their team selection for the last 10 years or so and now they are reaping the "rewards"!
I don't think so, TV has done that job with some connivance from the FA.
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Look up the line up for the Rotherham game earlier in the season and tell me how many were reserves?
I am talking in general not just Villa however on this specific issue Villa have been in such a flux and flow that earlier in the season it was difficult to distinguish between reserves and first teamers. This usually becomes apparent after about 10 games.
But you said yesterday that you didn't care what other clubs did.
That means, no you haven't looked. Case closed, I win. Thanks for playing.
As long as we win this afternoon I am ok with losing this one :)
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Clubs are responsible for changing attitudes by their team selection for the last 10 years or so and now they are reaping the "rewards"!
I don't think so, TV has done that job with some connivance from the FA.
May be so Chris but as far as I know TV and FA have so far stayed out of team selection.
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Clubs are responsible for changing attitudes by their team selection for the last 10 years or so and now they are reaping the "rewards"!
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I don't think so, TV has done that job with some connivance from the FA.
May be so Chris but as far as I know TV and FA have so far stayed out of team selection.
True, that is down to the managers who have to nurse their players through a demanding Christmas schedule and keep an eye on fixtures to come.
From our point of view, if we can't give a few fringe players a run out against a team a point above the League One relegation places, when are we going to do it?
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The FA Cup will continue on a downward spiral until they give up one of the Champions League spots for it.
Its the holy grail innit?
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The FA Cup will continue on a downward spiral until they give up one of the Champions League spots for it.
Its the holy grail innit?
I think it's uefa who are blocking that.
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I think it is the Premier League blocking that.
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I think it is the Premier League blocking that.
Even so, I doubt uefa would want a cup winning team in the champions league.
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I think it is the Premier League blocking that.
Even so, I doubt uefa would want a cup winning team in the champions league.
Why not?
They allow teams who had contested for the own domestic league titles, but ultimately failed.
I reckon the name of the competition should be challenged in the courts anyway, under the false and misleading advertising act.
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From our point of view, if we can't give a few fringe players a run out against a team a point above the League One relegation places, when are we going to do it?
I am OK with that. No disrespect but Sheffield United are third division however, without labouring the point, (and I think I am already there) we should give FA cup total respect and select the team that will be capable of winning the tie especially if we progress and say end up Chelsea away etc.
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Why should Wigan get into the Champions League rather than Arsenal? You only have 6 games usually to win the Cup and could be advantaged by favourable draws then beating a poor disinterested Man City in the final rather than proving your worth of 38 games.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
In the Daily Mail as well. We never feature in positive articles.
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Why should Wigan get into the Champions League rather than Arsenal? You only have 6 games usually to win the Cup and could be advantaged by favourable draws then beating a poor disinterested Man City in the final rather than proving your worth of 38 games.
That excellent point would not apply to us, of course as it is written that we have to meet a fighting fit Man U in at least one round. (Yes, it would be more than one if the rules permitted).
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Clubs are responsible for changing attitudes by their team selection for the last 10 years or so and now they are reaping the "rewards"!
I don't think so, TV has done that job with some connivance from the FA.
May be so Chris but as far as I know TV and FA have so far stayed out of team selection.
I tend not to get involved in team selection these days. Lambert gave me the "too many cooks in the kitchen" hint...
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Why should Wigan get into the Champions League rather than Arsenal? You only have 6 games usually to win the Cup and could be advantaged by favourable draws then beating a poor disinterested Man City in the final rather than proving your worth of 38 games.
That excellent point would not apply to us, of course as it is written that we have to meet a fighting fit Man U in at least one round. (Yes, it would be more than one if the rules permitted).
Before the Champions League clubs were delighted to qualify for Europe whatever the competition. Since they made the Champions League though (which is just a hybrid of the European Cup and the Uefa Cup) and scrapped the Cup Winners, it's the CL or nothing. Now the Europa League is just a European version of the League Cup which no one is really bothered about.
Sadly it was all born out of greed from the biggest clubs in Europe who thought it was their god given right to be in the European Cup every season even if by some bizarre black magic they didn't win their League title.
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Bottom line is our squad should have enough about it to beat a lowly league 1 side at home. It's a great chance for fringe players To go out there and impress.
The FA cup third round tie is not a chance for fringe players it is a challenge for our best 11 to go and win and progress towards greatness.
modern life. It's rubbish.
I'm holding on for tomorrow. *sorry*
Your outlook on Villa:Rosie (copyright, D.Green 2013)
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Before the Champions League clubs were delighted to qualify for Europe whatever the competition. Since they made the Champions League though (which is just a hybrid of the European Cup and the Uefa Cup) and scrapped the Cup Winners, it's the CL or nothing. Now the Europa League is just a European version of the League Cup which no one is really bothered about.
Sadly it was all born out of greed from the biggest clubs in Europe who thought it was their god given right to be in the European Cup every season even if by some bizarre black magic they didn't win their League title.
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Great summary.
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Dishonourable mention for Lambert on BT Sport before the Blackburn - ManCity game. Pellegrini and Mourinho are apparently defenders of the peoples game for makin gtheir comments.
Man City by my reckoning make 5 or 6 changes and Blackburn leave Jordan Rhodes in the stand.
There was a day when a good cup run (that's not even necessarily getting to the semi) was seen as a shot in the arm a struggling club could take into it's league games. As happened in 68/69 cup run Pat McMahon mentioned earlier.
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Thing with Man City and Chelsea is they can make 5 or 6 changes and still put out a side stronger than 95% of the league.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
I'd love to know how exactly he is 'influential'.
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Influential Villa fan sees team line up and quickly rings the ticket office.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
I'd love to know how exactly he is 'influential'.
They must be sad people who he influences.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
I'd love to know how exactly he is 'influential'.
He's influential to the tiny band of nutcases, racists, homophobes and general fuckwits who frequent the Vital Villa forum.
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Talking of people with very thin skin who love to be in the public eye:
"Influential" Villa fan throws his toys (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2533517/Aston-Villa-fan-returns-tickets-FA-Cup-clash-Sheffield-United-following-Paul-Lamberts-comments.html)
I'd love to know how exactly he is 'influential'.
He's influential to the tiny band of nutcases, racists, homophobes and general fuckwits who frequent the Vital Villa forum.
Link ;)
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well we don't need to worry about any of that now!
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Lambert please shut your gob in the future.
All it did even if his comments were out of context was create negative headlines for the club and worse put the thought into the players mind that they had an excuse to lose today.
Yet another embarrassing loss for the club under this manager, we've had a few in his 18 months here.
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Mickey Mouse cup anyway.
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I remember Houllier getting panned by most after Man. City (I hated that decision aswell) but considering the opposition today this is much worse for me.
And I Wanted Houllier gone after that game....hmmmm....
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Mickey Mouse cup anyway.
You're either very young or very sad. It is the greatest cup competition in the world, and despite all of Sky sports lickspittle adulation of all things Champions League, always will be.
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Fair enough. It is so very sad though when fans belittle the FA Cup, and so many younger fans do. I remember when the Final was the showcase for every season. Twenty years ago today's game would probably have attracted nearer 40,000. When romance and dreams of winning THE cup die, I think a little of what I love most in the game will die with it. God I hate Sky and all that Champions League crap.
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Fair enough. It is so very sad though when fans belittle the FA Cup, and so many younger fans do. I remember when the Final was the showcase for every season. Twenty years ago today's game would probably have attracted nearer 40,000. When romance and dreams of winning THE cup die, I think a little of what I love most in the game will die with it. God I hate Sky and all that Champions League crap.
Totally agree.
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Saw that film wasn't impressed.
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Then again maybe we old farts just look at it through rose tinted glasses? I just checked and from 80/81-91/92 we had 12 home games in the FA Cup. Two were over 40K (Wolves and Liverpool). Five were between 12K and 22K. Maybe the cup has been slowly dying longer than we thought?
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Maybe the cup has been slowly dying longer than we thought?
I'd just like us to chalk up an 8th then they can bury it.
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Win an FA Cup and I'll die a happy man.
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I'm 43 next month. Will I ever see us win the bastard thing? Our record since 1957 is an absolute joke for a club of our size and top flight status.
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If we regularly tasted Champion's League football ourselves once r twice in the past 15 years I am sure we would feel a lot more sanguine about it all.
When I see clubs like Everton and Spurs successfully ride the wave that is modern football I know that we could have too with better leadership.
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Mickey Mouse cup anyway.
You're either very young or very sad. It is the greatest cup competition in the world, and despite all of Sky sports lickspittle adulation of all things Champions League, always will be.
I'm certainly not guilty of the first charge though the second is open to debate.
It was meant in jest, like a scorned lover saying "she was crap in bed anyway".
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Sorry if I caused upset with that earlier post, it wasn't a barb in anyway.
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Lambert please shut your gob in the future.
All it did even if his comments were out of context was create negative headlines for the club and worse put the thought into the players mind that they had an excuse to lose today.
Yet another embarrassing loss for the club under this manager, we've had a few in his 18 months here.
Watching them today I honestly think they came out to play because they were obliged to do so. They had no idea and no wish to do much more than run around for 90 minutes and take a shower and be on their Saturday night out. It was truly a disgraceful day in the history of our club.
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A pink match ball? Seriously?
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Fair enough. It is so very sad though when fans belittle the FA Cup, and so many younger fans do. I remember when the Final was the showcase for every season. Twenty years ago today's game would probably have attracted nearer 40,000. When romance and dreams of winning THE cup die, I think a little of what I love most in the game will die with it. God I hate Sky and all that Champions League crap.
Too late though I think Bill, the pendulum has swung too far. Money is everything, the Premier League is everything, the FA Cup is a mere sideshow and there is nothing us old traditionalists can do about it.
Let's face it, we've been predicting that the Sky bubble will burst for over 20 years now and it just gets bigger and stronger.
We're out of touch now Bill, sorry old pal!
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Eusebio RIP. The Portugese legend died the same day as Villa fans' last hope of ever winning a trophy. Commemorate the date.
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Lambert please shut your gob in the future.
All it did even if his comments were out of context was create negative headlines for the club and worse put the thought into the players mind that they had an excuse to lose today.
Yet another embarrassing loss for the club under this manager, we've had a few in his 18 months here.
Watching them today I honestly think they came out to play because they were obliged to do so. They had no idea and no wish to do much more than run around for 90 minutes and take a shower and be on their Saturday night out. It was truly a disgraceful day in the history of our club.
I find it hard to criticise their attitude or effort due to the fact I genuinely think most of them just aren't very good.
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Sorry if I caused upset with that earlier post, it wasn't a barb in anyway.
Ignore me. I was touchy, drunk and ill last night.
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Fair enough. It is so very sad though when fans belittle the FA Cup, and so many younger fans do. I remember when the Final was the showcase for every season. Twenty years ago today's game would probably have attracted nearer 40,000. When romance and dreams of winning THE cup die, I think a little of what I love most in the game will die with it. God I hate Sky and all that Champions League crap.
Too late though I think Bill, the pendulum has swung too far. Money is everything, the Premier League is everything, the FA Cup is a mere sideshow and there is nothing us old traditionalists can do about it.
Let's face it, we've been predicting that the Sky bubble will burst for over 20 years now and it just gets bigger and stronger.
We're out of touch now Bill, sorry old pal!
I will go further. I give the FA Cup 5 years and then, it will be a different competition altogether because the top 6-8 clubs won't participate as they'll be in a more formal European competition. Money has indeed changed everything. Including sadly, Villas ability to compete for anything other than the 2nd tier of the league. Is there any wonder I now watch rugby and American Football more than I do football. The diving, prima donnas, oligarchs who don't give a shit about history and tradition, and I suspect corruption because of the complete ineptitude of both FA and FIFA.
Frightening really. So sad
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He's neither. Even though he's upset me with an earlier post he's joking here. Yes, the FA cup is the number one.
Fair enough. It is so very sad though when fans belittle the FA Cup, and so many younger fans do. I remember when the Final was the showcase for every season. Twenty years ago today's game would probably have attracted nearer 40,000. When romance and dreams of winning THE cup die, I think a little of what I love most in the game will die with it. God I hate Sky and all that Champions League crap.
Too late though I think Bill, the pendulum has swung too far. Money is everything, the Premier League is everything, the FA Cup is a mere sideshow and there is nothing us old traditionalists can do about it.
Let's face it, we've been predicting that the Sky bubble will burst for over 20 years now and it just gets bigger and stronger.
We're out of touch now Bill, sorry old pal!
I will go further. I give the FA Cup 5 years and then, it will be a different competition altogether because the top 6-8 clubs won't participate as they'll be in a more formal European competition. Money has indeed changed everything. Including sadly, Villas ability to compete for anything other than the 2nd tier of the league. Is there any wonder I now watch rugby and American Football more than I do football. The diving, prima donnas, oligarchs who don't give a shit about history and tradition, and I suspect corruption because of the complete ineptitude of both FA and FIFA.
Frightening really. So sad
I hate this post, you know why, because every word of it is spot on, times have changed, the accursed Premier league/Champions league dominates everything, tradition counts for nothing anymore, wasnt it Wayne Rooney who said he would rather win the Champions League with Man U than the world cup with England, unthinkable, but it speaks volumes for how our players view the game nowdays. I feel like fans of my generation just dont belong anymore.
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I notice there is talk in today's press that the FA are considering dropping replays in favour of extra time and penalties .
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Maybe the cup has been slowly dying longer than we thought?
I'd just like us to chalk up an 8th then they can bury it.
No no no no absolutely fucking NO!, if they do that, what will there be left for clubs like most of us to win ??, NOTHING Whatsoever the league is pretty much permanently out of reach, we broke the club for the forseeable future trying to get in to the Champions League - to no avail, all thats left for the Villas of this world is a cup run and maybe occasionaly winning it, get rid of the cups and you nowdays effectively get rid of the reason for clubs like us to carry on existing.
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The FA Cup will soon be played at your local Power League.
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How long will it take the powers that be to see common sense and award the cup winner the 4th CL place ?
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Maybe the cup has been slowly dying longer than we thought?
I'd just like us to chalk up an 8th then they can bury it.
No no no no absolutely fucking NO!, if they do that, what will there be left for clubs like most of us to win ??, NOTHING Whatsoever the league is pretty much permanently out of reach, we broke the club for the forseeable future trying to get in to the Champions League - to no avail, all thats left for the Villas of this world is a cup run and maybe occasionaly winning it, get rid of the cups and you nowdays effectively get rid of the reason for clubs like us to carry on existing.
I reckon once we win it again, we should lend it to some branch of Poundland or something, and conspire with them to get it nicked again.
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Try watching the tournament in the autumn. At that stage it is treated with the utmost respect by the teams and clubs involved.
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As I stated in an earlier post 10 teams play with so much fear in the Premiership - fear of losing. Fear of losing the exorbitant loot dished out by broadcasters. Happy to be an also ran in an ever increasing farcical competition.
What suffers for these - why the Cups.
Hull are the one relegation candidate who play without fear. Probably as everyone thought they were doomed before a goal was kicked. I suppose wansea too if you think they are in the mire.
Look at Albion now the grass is less green. Fear. Sunderland. Fear. Villa Fear. Fulham, Norwich and West Ham world cup winners.
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As I stated in an earlier post 10 teams play with so much fear in the Premiership - fear of losing. Fear of losing the exorbitant loot dished out by broadcasters. Happy to be an also ran in an ever increasing farcical competition.
What suffers for these - why the Cups.
Hull are the one relegation candidate who play without fear. Probably as everyone thought they were doomed before a goal was kicked. I suppose wansea too if you think they are in the mire.
Look at Albion now the grass is less green. Fear. Sunderland. Fear. Villa Fear. Fulham, Norwich and West Ham world cup winners.
This rings true to me.
From the Factory of Sadness to the Fear Factory. The franchise is fucked, no fear.
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Trouble is if there is a champs league spot for the cup all the massive mega rich clubs will take it even more seriously, meaning there is even less chance for the also rans to have a bash at it.
I just wished we take the cups seriously.
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Good news is big Sam and moyes have come to our rescue today. The media twats will go bother them instead of us.
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Trouble is if there is a champs league spot for the cup all the massive mega rich clubs will take it even more seriously, meaning there is even less chance for the also rans to have a bash at it.
I just wished we take the cups seriously.
Agree, and even if a minnow got in, what is the point ? Eg. Wigan in the CL this season would be a bit silly.
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Trouble is if there is a champs league spot for the cup all the massive mega rich clubs will take it even more seriously, meaning there is even less chance for the also rans to have a bash at it.
I just wished we take the cups seriously.
Agree, and even if a minnow got in, what is the point ? Eg. Wigan in the CL this season would be a bit silly.
Probably the reason uefa would never allow it to happen - they want the big clubs .
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Good news is big Sam and moyes have come to our rescue today. The media twats will go bother them instead of us.
My sentiments exactly. Spot on that man. Fair play to me old kickers Sam & Davo who have cleverly deflected the spotlight from how shite we am.
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Something I've noticed this weekend is just how many stadiums have been nowhere near full, it appears that a lot of fans have also de-valued this competition.
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Trouble is if there is a champs league spot for the cup all the massive mega rich clubs will take it even more seriously, meaning there is even less chance for the also rans to have a bash at it.
I just wished we take the cups seriously.
We took the cup seriously yesterday, look at the line up, it's not as if we played the kids.
That wasn't too far off our strongest available team.
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Why can't cup games be included on season tickets? Or at least a nominal charge for ST holders? We pay enough as it is, surely our one extra cup game a year can be thrown in?
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Trouble is if there is a champs league spot for the cup all the massive mega rich clubs will take it even more seriously, meaning there is even less chance for the also rans to have a bash at it.
I just wished we take the cups seriously.
We took the cup seriously yesterday, look at the line up, it's not as if we played the kids.
That wasn't too far off our strongest available team.
The line up was our strongest possible bar Guzan however Lambert's words a couple of days earlier surely had an impact on how our players approached the game. This was obvious to those who were at Villa park.
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Why can't cup games be included on season tickets? Or at least a nominal charge for ST holders? We pay enough as it is, surely our one extra cup game a year can be thrown in?
How do you do that? We may have one home game or 4. I wouldn't be happy to pay say a nominal charge of £50 for what could turn out to be one game.
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Why can't cup games be included on season tickets? Or at least a nominal charge for ST holders? We pay enough as it is, surely our one extra cup game a year can be thrown in?
How do you do that? We may have one home game or 4. I wouldn't be happy to pay say a nominal charge of £50 for what could turn out to be one game.
To be fair, I used my Villacash so for me and my son it sort of was included in our season tickets.
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Trouble is if there is a champs league spot for the cup all the massive mega rich clubs will take it even more seriously, meaning there is even less chance for the also rans to have a bash at it.
I just wished we take the cups seriously.
We took the cup seriously yesterday, look at the line up, it's not as if we played the kids.
That wasn't too far off our strongest available team.
The line up was our strongest possible bar Guzan however Lambert's words a couple of days earlier surely had an impact on how our players approached the game. This was obvious to those who were at Villa park.
Really?
There didn't even seem anything particularly controversial in what he said, to me it sounded like the same old shit managers say every year.
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Why can't cup games be included on season tickets? Or at least a nominal charge for ST holders? We pay enough as it is, surely our one extra cup game a year can be thrown in?
How do you do that? We may have one home game or 4. I wouldn't be happy to pay say a nominal charge of £50 for what could turn out to be one game.
The one game was a joke. Make each cup game discounted for ST holders. I usually go with a dozen or more ST holders...there were 2 of us yesterday. No one gives a monkeys.
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Lambert please shut your gob in the future.
All it did even if his comments were out of context was create negative headlines for the club and worse put the thought into the players mind that they had an excuse to lose today.
Yet another embarrassing loss for the club under this manager, we've had a few in his 18 months here.
Watching them today I honestly think they came out to play because they were obliged to do so. They had no idea and no wish to do much more than run around for 90 minutes and take a shower and be on their Saturday night out. It was truly a disgraceful day in the history of our club.
I find it hard to criticise their attitude or effort due to the fact I genuinely think most of them just aren't very good.
Not very good may well apply against League opponents but this was a not very good third division team so I don't buy that. They were simply going through the motion.
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Really?
There didn't even seem anything particularly controversial in what he said, to me it sounded like the same old shit managers say every year.
May be YOU didn't think it was controversial but it was reported as that in every paper and made the national news and that is what players heard. So let's not try to spin it any differently as it has been done to death over the last 3 days or so.
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The one game was a joke. Make each cup game discounted for ST holders. I usually go with a dozen or more ST holders...there were 2 of us yesterday. No one gives a monkeys.
Des as you can see I am still very touchy on this knockout so missing the humours words.
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Really?
There didn't even seem anything particularly controversial in what he said, to me it sounded like the same old shit managers say every year.
May be YOU didn't think it was controversial but it was reported as that in every paper and made the national news and that is what players heard. So let's not try to spin it any differently as it has been done to death over the last 3 days or so.
So the players pay more attention to a twisted news story than they do to the manager? And we should believe the way it was spun rather than the evidence of our own ears in what was actually said?
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Tell you what guys have it your way. Lambert said nothing. Goodnight.
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Lambert was just guilty of being naive and fell in to Mark Regan's trap. Regan was that excited to get a big story he practically shot his load over Twitter afterwards.
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I remember when ST did include all home cup games. Real value for anyone with one in 81/82.
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Tell you what guys have it your way. Lambert said nothing. Goodnight.
Rather that than having it your way and believing a bunch of proven liars to suit your own agenda.
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Why can't cup games be included on season tickets? Or at least a nominal charge for ST holders? We pay enough as it is, surely our one extra cup game a year can be thrown in?
How do you do that? We may have one home game or 4. I wouldn't be happy to pay say a nominal charge of £50 for what could turn out to be one game.
The one game was a joke. Make each cup game discounted for ST holders. I usually go with a dozen or more ST holders...there were 2 of us yesterday. No one gives a monkeys.
Didn't we try something in the mid 90's? I remember going to a League Cup game vs Manure's kids (96 or 97?), & I'd got cup tickets as part of my ST. It didn't stop the club selling my nice seat to someone else, mind.
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Tell you what guys have it your way. Lambert said nothing. Goodnight.
Rather that than having it your way and believing a bunch of proven liars to suit your own agenda.
That's unfair but I will leave you to it.
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You got the first home cup game of the season free for a few seasons in the 90s. That was when the LC 2nd round was two legs so you were guaranteed a home game in that or the UEFA Cup if we were in that.
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Tell you what guys have it your way. Lambert said nothing. Goodnight.
Rather that than having it your way and believing a bunch of proven liars to suit your own agenda.
That's unfair but I will leave you to it.
So you actually think that the players played poorly because they believed the manager didn't really want them to win?
Because I can't extrapolate anything else from your argument.
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Really?
There didn't even seem anything particularly controversial in what he said, to me it sounded like the same old shit managers say every year.
May be YOU didn't think it was controversial but it was reported as that in every paper and made the national news and that is what players heard. So let's not try to spin it any differently as it has been done to death over the last 3 days or so.
It's got people who don't read things thoroughly and people who make their living relying on idiots phoning up radio stations frothing at the mouth. Some media outlets know what they're talking about though:
* No doubt there will be plenty of wry grins from wry grinners after Sheffield United knocked out Aston Villa, given that Paul Lambert said he could do without the cup this week. Sure, laugh it up, but Lambert didn't exactly play a team of kids and blow a rasberry at the famous old trophy. He made four changes to the side that beat Sunderland last time out - one of those was because Nathan Baker injured himself in the warm-up, another giving a chance to young keeper Jed Steer, which seems sensible, and another was the introduction of Ciaran Clark, who has made 16 appearances this season.
By way of comparison, Steve Bruce made nine changes to the Hull side that beat Middlesbrough, so who's 'disrespecting' the cup? Clearly, neither manager sees the competition as a priority, and Lambert's mistake was to say so out loud then pick a group of players that really should have been good enough to beat the side 18th in League One and who lost to Walsall on New Year's day. There are reasons to criticise Lambert, not least their style of Villa's play and where some of his summer spending went, but how seriously he takes the FA Cup is not one of them.
From F365
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I remember when ST did include all home cup games. Real value for anyone with one in 81/82.
Except you still had to pay for the European Cup games. In fact, I think that was when all cup ties were paid for.
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I miss my season ticket book.
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As is usual on the internet, things get polarised, and you are supposed to pick one side or the other and give it the big gun. However, I believe the the following two, apparently contradictory, propositions to be true:
1. There was nothing objectionable in PLs interview, unless you are talking about his naïvety in dealing with the gutter press.
2. We treated the game as a practice match to try out some different ways of playing.
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I remember when ST did include all home cup games. Real value for anyone with one in 81/82.
Except you still had to pay for the European Cup games. In fact, I think that was when all cup ties were paid for.
A year or so ago I was looking through some old programmes and an 80/81 had ST info in for 81/82. 99% sure it stated it covered all home games including cup games.
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I'd be very surprised if European Cup games were included, or indeed if UEFA allowed it.
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Tell you what guys have it your way. Lambert said nothing. Goodnight.
Rather that than having it your way and believing a bunch of proven liars to suit your own agenda.
That's unfair but I will leave you to it.
So you actually think that the players played poorly because they believed the manager didn't really want them to win?
Because I can't extrapolate anything else from your argument.
Why else were they so feeble? Just need to know.
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Lack of confidence due to a lack of leaders on the pitch is my best guess at it.
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Totally at odds with the way the manager asked them to play would be mine. The team was under-prepared, disorganised and about as well balanced as most of the views expounded in the post match thread.
Apart from that we had it in the bag.
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Its ok. I have no doubt FatSam explained how inconvenient the FA cup is to that kid who was crying his eyes out at 3-0. And to the thousands of other away fans too.
At least our manager did have a decent stab at winning the game even if he's lost the plot as to how to go about achieving same.
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Lack of confidence due to a lack of leaders on the pitch is my best guess at it.
This, it's exactly the same reason why we're struggling at home, we have to try to play at home but we don't have the confidence to do it so we get the disjointed displays we've seen. I'm not sure it's a lack of leaders entirely, I think the lack of leadership on the pitch means that we aren't able to hide the fact that the players aren't confident they can play how we need them to, the coaching team need to address that and have needed to for a couple of months.
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Its ok. I have no doubt FatSam explained how inconvenient the FA cup is to that kid who was crying his eyes out at 3-0. And to the thousands of other away fans too.
At least our manager did have a decent stab at winning the game even if he's lost the plot as to how to go about achieving same.
That kid's week has gone from bad to worse. He has now been invited into the West Ham boardroom before the next home match.
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We'd need the world's biggest Directors Box if we did the same to our young season ticket holders.
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Some passionate contributions to TalkSport tonight from Mat Kendrick and Tony Cascarino about Villa's exit from the Cup and current situation. I really didn't know how much they cared but now I do. They are both gutted.
Sorry chaps, I have underestimated your interest in the Villa.
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Some passionate contributions to TalkSport tonight from Mat Kendrick and Tony Cascarino about Villa's exit from the Cup and current situation. I really didn't know how much they cared but now I do. They are both gutted.
Sorry chaps, I have underestimated your interest in the Villa.
I don't know about Cascarino but Mat has never been anything other than a Villa supporter.
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Peed me off earlier in the show when they were talking about our lack of respect for the cup. don't they realise that it was a pretty strong team, and we are just useless at home, even against a Div One side.
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Peed me off earlier in the show when they were talking about our lack of respect for the cup. don't they realise that it was a pretty strong team, and we are just useless at home, even against a Div One side.
Was it the Drive time show?
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Its ok. I have no doubt FatSam explained how inconvenient the FA cup is to that kid who was crying his eyes out at 3-0. And to the thousands of other away fans too.
At least our manager did have a decent stab at winning the game even if he's lost the plot as to how to go about achieving same.
That kid's week has gone from bad to worse. He has now been invited into the West Ham boardroom before the next home match.
Typical modern approach. Some kid gets upset and it's on the TV the next thing he is rewarded with a big day out by the clubs powers that be. When I was his age, I felt like crying in the Kop at St Andrew's on boxing in 1982, surrounded by the enemy. what did I get, well I got told to grow up by my old man.
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Some passionate contributions to TalkSport tonight from Mat Kendrick and Tony Cascarino about Villa's exit from the Cup and current situation. I really didn't know how much they cared but now I do. They are both gutted.
Sorry chaps, I have underestimated your interest in the Villa.
I don't know about Cascarino but Mat has never been anything other than a Villa supporter.
TC getting very upset and animated over the phone about Villa and the future - I heard that he cares, and I didn't think that, before.
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Peed me off earlier in the show when they were talking about our lack of respect for the cup. don't they realise that it was a pretty strong team, and we are just useless at home, even against a Div One side.
Was it the Drive time show?
No that bell end Saggers.
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Its ok. I have no doubt FatSam explained how inconvenient the FA cup is to that kid who was crying his eyes out at 3-0. And to the thousands of other away fans too.
At least our manager did have a decent stab at winning the game even if he's lost the plot as to how to go about achieving same.
That kid's week has gone from bad to worse. He has now been invited into the West Ham boardroom before the next home match.
Typical modern approach. Some kid gets upset and it's on the TV the next thing he is rewarded with a big day out by the clubs powers that be. When I was his age, I felt like crying in the Kop at St Andrew's on boxing in 1982, surrounded by the enemy. what did I get, well I got told to grow up by my old man.
As a twelve year old I got to go to a family party after going to the game on Boxing Day 1982. My family were all noses (luckily marriages and kids in the years since have balanced that out a bit). I got told a lot of things that night. It was a long night.
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Its ok. I have no doubt FatSam explained how inconvenient the FA cup is to that kid who was crying his eyes out at 3-0. And to the thousands of other away fans too.
At least our manager did have a decent stab at winning the game even if he's lost the plot as to how to go about achieving same.
That kid's week has gone from bad to worse. He has now been invited into the West Ham boardroom before the next home match.
Typical modern approach. Some kid gets upset and it's on the TV the next thing he is rewarded with a big day out by the clubs powers that be. When I was his age, I felt like crying in the Kop at St Andrew's on boxing in 1982, surrounded by the enemy. what did I get, well I got told to grow up by my old man.
As a twelve year old I got to go to a family party after going to the game on Boxing Day 1982. My family were all noses (luckily marriages and kids in the years since have balanced that out a bit). I got told a lot of things that night. It was a long night.
I hated that day as my dads friends were blose noses and gave it me after the game even though I was only 8. The way they celebrated at the game was crazy, it was as though everyone had won the lottery.
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Well they had just beaten the Champions of Europe
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At a stadium named after your good self.
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At a stadium named after your good self.
Yes, it translates as The Tub!
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What would a Bluenose know about either the Premier League or the glory of winning the FA Cup?
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What a load of uninformed bollocks.
The fact that we didn't disrespect the F.A Cup at all by playing a near full strength side is something he failed to mention.
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I was listening to Gabriel Marcotti this morning on my drive in and he was defending Lambert. he said nobody wants to openly admit it but Lambert was exactly right in what he said. He asked whether it is better a manager being honest or whether it is better to wax lyrical about the competition to your fans and then drop half your players? He said Lambert told the uncomfortable truth that in all leagues, not just the PL the cup competitions are regarded as a lesser event. And that of all of the games this past weekend, with the exception of Blackburn vs Man City the attendances were lower than the league average.
Fans of a certain age love the FA Cup, and the media try to tell stories to support its mystique and history, but in truth unless it is a really worthwhile tie, fans don't show up and it has little to do with price. It's just not as popular as it once was and Lambert just said what nobody else was willing to say. The frenzy over this is massively hypocritical at its most generous.
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I was listening to Gabriel Marcotti this morning on my drive in and he was defending Lambert. he said nobody wants to openly admit it but Lambert was exactly right in what he said. He asked whether it is better a manager being honest or whether it is better to wax lyrical about the competition to your fans and then drop half your players? He said Lambert told the uncomfortable truth that in all leagues, not just the PL the cup competitions are regarded as a lesser event. And that of all of the games this past weekend, with the exception of Blackburn vs Man City the attendances were lower than the league average.
Fans of a certain age love the FA Cup, and the media try to tell stories to support its mystique and history, but in truth unless it is a really worthwhile tie, fans don't show up and it has little to do with price. It's just not as popular as it once was and Lambert just said what nobody else was willing to say. The frenzy over this is massively hypocritical at its most generous.
Crowds are down beacuse usually many of the first teamers are dropped IMO.
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Or just nobody really wants to watch the Villa first XI minus the Goose play Sheffield United. Given that around 15,000 fewer Villa fans turned up to watch that game compared to the Palace or Swansea games, suggests this is correct.
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I was listening to Gabriel Marcotti this morning on my drive in and he was defending Lambert. he said nobody wants to openly admit it but Lambert was exactly right in what he said. He asked whether it is better a manager being honest or whether it is better to wax lyrical about the competition to your fans and then drop half your players? He said Lambert told the uncomfortable truth that in all leagues, not just the PL the cup competitions are regarded as a lesser event. And that of all of the games this past weekend, with the exception of Blackburn vs Man City the attendances were lower than the league average.
Fans of a certain age love the FA Cup, and the media try to tell stories to support its mystique and history, but in truth unless it is a really worthwhile tie, fans don't show up and it has little to do with price. It's just not as popular as it once was and Lambert just said what nobody else was willing to say. The frenzy over this is massively hypocritical at its most generous.
Crowds are down beacuse usually many of the first teamers are dropped IMO.
partly, but crowds are down because the game was just after Christmas, where fans had spent money on other games, as well as on the festive season. Do you really believe the attendance would have been much higher had Lambert not made those comments? I don't.
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The Stripeyfilth only managed to drag in just over 12k and their manager said bugger all about the FA Cup and there were a load of empty seats at Forest even though they were playing a Premier League side.
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I wonder how much is down to the changing way of matchday admission? In the past you'd turn up for a league game and pay a few shillings/pounds to get in regardless of the competition. It was routine and the cost was so cheap you didn't notice it.
Now most supporters have season tickets, bought in advance at high cost and therefore part of an annual budget. Cup ties come round and an extra (say) fifteen quid plus the cost and inconvenience of getting them seems a bit steep regardless of the teams involved.
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I was listening to Gabriel Marcotti this morning on my drive in and he was defending Lambert. he said nobody wants to openly admit it but Lambert was exactly right in what he said. He asked whether it is better a manager being honest or whether it is better to wax lyrical about the competition to your fans and then drop half your players? He said Lambert told the uncomfortable truth that in all leagues, not just the PL the cup competitions are regarded as a lesser event. And that of all of the games this past weekend, with the exception of Blackburn vs Man City the attendances were lower than the league average.
Fans of a certain age love the FA Cup, and the media try to tell stories to support its mystique and history, but in truth unless it is a really worthwhile tie, fans don't show up and it has little to do with price. It's just not as popular as it once was and Lambert just said what nobody else was willing to say. The frenzy over this is massively hypocritical at its most generous.
Crowds are down beacuse usually many of the first teamers are dropped IMO.
partly, but crowds are down because the game was just after Christmas, where fans had spent money on other games, as well as on the festive season. Do you really believe the attendance would have been much higher had Lambert not made those comments? I don't.
I think the attendance would have been much higher if the current team were playing anything like decent football. I didn't attend for that very reason along with the 6 others I go with. It had nothing to do with finances. Whether that is a true reflection on the reduced crowd size from non attending Villa fans I can't say either way but I think it is one of the factors.
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If it had been a saturday 3pm away game at a reasonably accessible ground and we'd been allocated, say, 7000 tickets, we'd have sold the lot. What does that tell us?
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If it had been a saturday 3pm away game at a reasonably accessible ground and we'd been allocated, say, 7000 tickets, we'd have sold the lot. What does that tell us?
We took over 5000 to the corresponding fixture a few years back under Houllier, when we were in the bottom three.
There was 14,000 on the ground.
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Exactly. So who says the Cup isn't important to us?
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It says what i
Exactly. So who says the Cup isn't important to us?
The 15,000 or so Villa supporters who didn't turn up on Saturday. As I said above, buying cup tickets for home matches means going out of your normal routine but away ties are the same as away league games, therefore demand isn't affected.
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Exactly. So who says the Cup isn't important to us?
I think it proves a point though and kind of what Dave has said. The fact is, there was only around 3000 more Sheffield United fans at Brammel Lane than there were at Villa Park.
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I think it's about press conferences. PL departed from the script, which was about 'The magic of the Third Round'. He answered honestly, but disastrously, about the reality and he was first to do so this time.
In that sense I think the article was right, he could have given any of the responses suggested.
I think he had an off day and said what he thought without thinking, if that makes sense, rather than replying with, ' We are looking forward to the match with Sheffield United. They had better watch out. Next!'
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he probably thought I could do without this game because I have key players knackered and hurt, and this morning I just lost a centre forward for the rest of the season with a serious injury. He said what every manager is thinking in the PL, because if they weren't thinking that way they would all have played full strength sides. None of them did. The irony is that we probably played more starting players than any other team in the PL.
not that it helped...
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Yes, I see that scenario and think you are right.
Of course, it then opened the door of opportunity to media darlings to say how much they love the Cup and for other managers to say the same thing as PL and be ignored.
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There is an excellent article in today's edition of i. It traces the "mad mountain of debt" Bolton Wanderers are carrying and spells out the downward spiral of performance and upward spiral of debt generated by paying over the odds for players, putting them on long contracts, not playing them and selling for a fraction of what they cost. The only boost to their income was the money they made out of us from the purchase and sale of Gary Cahill. I defy any football club owner or board member to read that article without feeling the icy chill of realization that it could happen to all but a tiny tiny minority of football clubs.
Erase the name of Bolton and replace it with Villa and erase the name of Megson and replace it with MON and the article could be about us in a year's time.
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There is an excellent article in today's edition of i. It traces the "mad mountain of debt" Bolton Wanderers are carrying and spells out the downward spiral of performance and upward spiral of debt generated by paying over the odds for players, putting them on long contracts, not playing them and selling for a fraction of what they cost. The only boost to their income was the money they made out of us from the purchase and sale of Gary Cahill. I defy any football club owner or board member to read that article without feeling the icy chill of realization that it could happen to all but a tiny tiny minority of football clubs.
Erase the name of Bolton and replace it with Villa and erase the name of Megson and replace it with MON and the article could be about us in a year's time.
I know everyone thinks it won't happen to there club and with our support I honestly think if there was a call for our help with the club in danger of being insolvent there would be 40,000 at every home game and 40,000 locked out
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There is an excellent article in today's edition of i. It traces the "mad mountain of debt" Bolton Wanderers are carrying and spells out the downward spiral of performance and upward spiral of debt generated by paying over the odds for players, putting them on long contracts, not playing them and selling for a fraction of what they cost. The only boost to their income was the money they made out of us from the purchase and sale of Gary Cahill. I defy any football club owner or board member to read that article without feeling the icy chill of realization that it could happen to all but a tiny tiny minority of football clubs.
Erase the name of Bolton and replace it with Villa and erase the name of Megson and replace it with MON and the article could be about us in a year's time.
I know everyone thinks it won't happen to there club and with our support I honestly think if there was a call for our help with the club in danger of being insolvent there would be 40,000 at every home game and 40,000 locked out
Very thought provoking and some what see where your coming from.
Im depressed
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Don't be depressed just remember what happened 12 yrs roughly after the 3rd div days
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I will throw in my viewing habits on this if it helps the debate.
If our game with Sheff Utd had been on TV on Sunday lunchtime I wouldnt have gone.
If we had not conceded late, and it gone to a replay, I would have been in the queue for a ticket as soon as booking made me able.
To me it is not the cost but the inconvenience to family time.
I get precious little during the week anyway so that would be easier to sell to the wife, and a more enjoyable occasion, than a home Sunday would be.
Now what if we had been drawn away to Sheffield? Saturday 3pm? All over it like a rash.
Sunday lunchtime? Unlikely.
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Just seen the 5th round draw and I could cry. How careless were we to get knocked out in the 3rd round. They way the draw has gone and two ties between the top 4ish teams means QF would be quite open....shame we are not in there.
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Just seen the 5th round draw and I could cry. How careless were we to get knocked out in the 3rd round. They way the draw has gone and two ties between the top 4ish teams means QF would be quite open....shame we are not in there.
We'd be top of the league if we hadn't dropped a point as well.
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Yes that's a realistic comparison. Well done.
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As long as it stops you crying.
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Just seen the 5th round draw and I could cry. How careless were we to get knocked out in the 3rd round. They way the draw has gone and two ties between the top 4ish teams means QF would be quite open....shame we are not in there.
We'd be top of the league if we hadn't dropped a point as well.
Hardly the same. We just had to beat a 3rd div team at home, to open up: 3 rounds all home draws vs Sheff U, Fulham, Forest/ Preston then in the quarter finals with Man U, Man C or Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool out of the way. How many more years?
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Just seen the 5th round draw and I could cry. How careless were we to get knocked out in the 3rd round. They way the draw has gone and two ties between the top 4ish teams means QF would be quite open....shame we are not in there.
We'd be top of the league if we hadn't dropped a point as well.
Hardly the same. We just had to beat a 3rd div team at home, to open up: 3 rounds all home draws vs Sheff U, Fulham, Forest/ Preston then in the quarter finals with Man U, Man C or Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool out of the way. How many more years?
It doesn't work like that.
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Yes that's a realistic comparison. Well done.
Reality is we have no idea how the draw would of gone had we got through. We could of got Man City or Chelsea in the 4th round. No one will ever know.
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Why should we heed anyone who writes would of and could of when it is would have and could have?
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Why should we heed anyone who writes would of when it is would have?
To many English teachers on here ;)
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Too, not to.
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yuff off today
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Just seen the 5th round draw and I could cry. How careless were we to get knocked out in the 3rd round. They way the draw has gone and two ties between the top 4ish teams means QF would be quite open....shame we are not in there.
We'd be top of the league if we hadn't dropped a point as well.
Hardly the same. We just had to beat a 3rd div team at home, to open up: 3 rounds all home draws vs Sheff U, Fulham, Forest/ Preston then in the quarter finals with Man U, Man C or Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool out of the way. How many more years?
It doesn't work like that.
You know how it works, mighty leader? Please, please tell the club management.
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Why should we heed anyone who writes would of and could of when it is would have and could have?
Said the man who thinks the draw would have been the identical had we beat Sheffield United?
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Just seen the 5th round draw and I could cry. How careless were we to get knocked out in the 3rd round. They way the draw has gone and two ties between the top 4ish teams means QF would be quite open....shame we are not in there.
We'd be top of the league if we hadn't dropped a point as well.
Hardly the same. We just had to beat a 3rd div team at home, to open up: 3 rounds all home draws vs Sheff U, Fulham, Forest/ Preston then in the quarter finals with Man U, Man C or Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool out of the way. How many more years?
It doesn't work like that.
You know how it works, mighty leader? Please, please tell the club management.
Sixteen balls are put in a bag and they're drawn out one by one. I would guess the club management know that already.
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As long as it stops you crying.
I start to cry every season when we get knocked out and only stop when third round draw is made in the following season.
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If I was an Everton fan I would be beginning to feel cautiously optimistic. Martinez has run the course last season and two of the big threats will fall at the next round.
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Too, not to.
In his defence I think Dan was sending a wink "to many English teachers on here".
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Why should we heed anyone who writes would of and could of when it is would have and could have?
Said the man who thinks the draw would have been the identical had we beat Sheffield United?
Writes the man who thinks that the draw would have (tick v.g.) been identical had we beaten Sheffield United.
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Why should we heed anyone who writes would of and could of when it is would have and could have?
Said the man who thinks the draw would have been the identical had we beat Sheffield United?
Writes the man who thinks that the draw would have (tick v.g.) been identical had we beaten Sheffield United.
Yawn ZZZZzzZZz...............
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Why should we heed anyone who writes would of and could of when it is would have and could have?
Said the man who thinks the draw would have been the identical had we beat Sheffield United?
Writes the man who thinks that the draw would have (tick v.g.) been identical had we beaten Sheffield United.
Yawn ZZZZzzZZz...............
Be proud. Most people would fall asleep in Existentialism, not English Grammar.
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Too, not to.
In his defence I think Dan was sending a wink "to many English teachers on here".
Spot on.
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Had we been in the draw the ball numbers would have been different i'm assuming. So we wouldn't have got the draws Sheff Utd got.
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The ball numbers are based on the order that the teams were drawn out in the previous round. So the winners of, say, the tenth game in Round Three would be ball number ten in Round Four. So, theoretically, we'd have had the same draws Sheff United have had.
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I demand we are ball two in every draw!
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We weren't ball two at all this year. Due to AFC Bournemouth's promotion to the top two divisions we were ball three in the Third Round on alphabetical order.
I say good riddance to ball two.
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The ball numbers are based on the order that the teams were drawn out in the previous round. So the winners of, say, the tenth game in Round Three would be ball number ten in Round Four. So, theoretically, we'd have had the same draws Sheff United have had.
But reality is it would not work like that.
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Sleight of hand deceives the eye with that draw. They nearly dropped one of the balls in the 3rd Round draw. Another thing with it is the clumsiness of the presenter.
In the old days you would hear:
'no.4'
'Bolton Wanderers'
'will play'
'no.17'
'Mansfield Town'.
Now it is:
'no.4'
'no.4, err, that is Bolton Wanderers' {quickly looking at scrap of paper} 'famous old cup fighters'
'no,17'
'no.17, that is, err, Mansfield town' {and again looking at the paper} 'who beat Bournemouth yesterday'.
it is just not slick at all.
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And, the draw always took place on Monday lunch time, one-o-clock, I think. Another tradition gone.
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And, the draw always took place on Monday lunch time, one-o-clock, I think. Another tradition gone.
And, and this is something I could never understand, when it was on Radio Two they would go over to the FA Headquarters at Lancaster Gate and the head FA man would say "Now for the next item on the agenda, the draw for the xth round of the FA Challenge Cup." The next item. What could possibly be more important to be top of the agenda than the cup draw?
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An injection of monkey-gland serum to keep them alive for the remainder of the meeting perhaps?
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And, the draw always took place on Monday lunch time, one-o-clock, I think. Another tradition gone.
That was a stupid tradition. Glad it's gone. No point in doing the draw on a work/school day.
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And having the draw made before the previous round has been completed, postponed games for inclement weather notwithstanding is a good one?
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No, I'd have it on a Sunday night, about the only time when there are no games bring played in England.
Monday lunchtime is a really daft time to do it. In any case, unless I've missed one... all the matches had been played before the draw hadn't they? There's no FA Cup game on tonight.
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And, the draw always took place on Monday lunch time, one-o-clock, I think. Another tradition gone.
That was a stupid tradition. Glad it's gone. No point in doing the draw on a work/school day.
No it wasn't. In offices/factories and schools all around the country those interested would gather around the one bloke with a beaten up transistor radio to hear the third round draw. Probably listened to in an illict place and sod the consequences. It really was that important then.
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That didn't happen anywhere I've been. Nobody under the age of twenty listens to radio except for moronic garbage like Chris Moyles. Put it on telly, at a time when people can watch.
Having the cup draw on a weekday afternoon should be filed alongside fox hunting as stupid traditions that should never be brought back.
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That didn't happen anywhere I've been. Nobody under the age of twenty listens to radio except for moronic garbage like Chris Moyles. Put it on telly, at a time when people can watch.
Having the cup draw on a weekday afternoon should be filed alongside fox hunting as stupid traditions that should never be brought back.
One man's stupid tradition is another man's romance of the cup.
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I remember the draw for the semis in 2000 being made before our game at Everton had finished. Really added to the atmosphere as I recall as we were thinking we've got an easy semi here as well.
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The same fans who thought the Bolton 2000 semi was "easy" were the same fans that thought Bradford was a bye to the final.
I still wake up with sweats thinking Holdsworth hadn't skied it!
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The same fans who thought the Bolton 2000 semi was "easy" were the same fans that thought Bradford was a bye to the final.
I still wake up with sweats thinking Holdsworth hadn't skied it!
Well, I thought Bolton was easy and that Bradford was a bye to the Final. I stopped worrying about Holdsworth at the end of the penalty shoot out!
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The same fans who thought the Bolton 2000 semi was "easy" were the same fans that thought Bradford was a bye to the final.
I still wake up with sweats thinking Holdsworth hadn't skied it!
Pretty much everyone then. That Holdsworth miss was a ray of light in 2 hours of unremitting shit. Ended well of course
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If I was an Everton fan I would be beginning to feel cautiously optimistic. Martinez has run the course last season and two of the big threats will fall at the next round.
I had a tenner on Everton to win it before the third round games. I also mentioned on the betting thread after the third round that I didn't think I had ever had a successful roll up on an FA cup weekend but I had Swansea, Cardiff Brighton, Wednesday and Hull come in at 15/1 on Saturday.
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It would be quite amusing if Man U won fuck all while Everton won the cup in their first Moyes-free season.
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It would be quite amusing if Man U won fuck all while Everton won the cup in their first Moyes-free season.
Has any manager ever won the Fa Cup in two consecutive seasons with two different teams?
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No. Billy Walker and Herbert Chapman have won the cup with different teams but neither won it in successive years with different clubs.
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And, the draw always took place on Monday lunch time, one-o-clock, I think. Another tradition gone.
That was a stupid tradition. Glad it's gone. No point in doing the draw on a work/school day.
No it wasn't. In offices/factories and schools all around the country those interested would gather around the one bloke with a beaten up transistor radio to hear the third round draw. Probably listened to in an illict place and sod the consequences. It really was that important then.
That was then this is now. ITV/SKY keep trying to convince us about the magic of the cup. Basically if they have to keep telling us about the magic of the cup then it is no longer there. Unfortunately the magic of the cup is gone.
I used to be able to name the winners and goal scorers in all the cup finals of the 70s & 80s. I don't think I could name the last five winners of the FA Cup if I was asked. Maybe it is the over availability of live football. Maybe it is the that the top 6-7 clubs have their eyes on a different prize come January as indeed do the bottom 6 or 7
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You could argue it started dying when the F.A decided earning money from it was more important than tradition.
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It would be quite amusing if Man U won fuck all while Everton won the cup in their first Moyes-free season.
And finished above them.
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You could argue it started dying when the F.A decided earning money from it was more important than tradition.
Tradition doesn't pay the rent.....or garner large TV deals. Very unfortunate but that is the reality
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You could argue it started dying when the F.A decided earning money from it was more important than tradition.
Tradition doesn't pay the rent.....
You mean pay for an vastly overpriced national stadium?
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The same fans who thought the Bolton 2000 semi was "easy" were the same fans that thought Bradford was a bye to the final.
I still wake up with sweats thinking Holdsworth hadn't skied it!
The Bradford draw should have been as good as a bye. And I think we'd have had a good chance of beating Swansea in the Final.
It's not often you get as good a shot a trophy.
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You could argue it started dying when the F.A decided earning money from it was more important than tradition.
Tradition doesn't pay the rent.....
You mean pay for an vastly overpriced national stadium?
Among other things
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The same fans who thought the Bolton 2000 semi was "easy" were the same fans that thought Bradford was a bye to the final.
I still wake up with sweats thinking Holdsworth hadn't skied it!
The Bradford draw should have been as good as a bye. And I think we'd have had a good chance of beating Swansea in the Final.
It's not often you get as good a shot a trophy.
That was a horrible game.still gives me nightmares.
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(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Edwards-Aston-Villas-Cup-History-1957-Scarce-Cartoon-Football-FA-Sport-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/spgAAOxyVLNS2q4r/$_12.JPG)
Just bid for and won this beautiful item on eBay. The text on the back reads: "PREPARED NOT TO LET 37 YEARS PASS WITHOUT IT AGAIN".
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(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Edwards-Aston-Villas-Cup-History-1957-Scarce-Cartoon-Football-FA-Sport-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/spgAAOxyVLNS2q4r/$_12.JPG)
Just bid for and won this beautiful item on eBay. The text on the back reads: "PREPARED NOT TO LET 37 YEARS PASS WITHOUT IT AGAIN".
I looked at that as well Leeg.
Trying to find something decent for Sir Brian to sign when I see him in March...
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Return of the Little Villan or some of the photos in Weir and Wonderful would be good to get signed.
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I looked at that as well Leeg.
Trying to find something decent for Sir Brian to sign when I see him in March...
Maybe a canvas print etc from here?
http://www.astonvillapictures.co.uk/legends/photo/90697.html
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Great buy Legion. Well done.
I am still crying that we got knocked out ...by a third division team this season.