and then who?

[russon]

Lambert's out of ideas. All he's got left is to prescribe a course of leeches.

[Dante Lavelli]

I honestly think Lambert has been treated incredibly sympathetically by the Villa fans, until now. It's not purely about results, it's the style of play and the lack of tactical nous. To be breaking the kind of records we are doing with our home form really is unacceptable and I cannot think of any other team in the prem that would have been as loyal to their manager than us. Not one.

Agreed , maybe that is one of reasons Lerner is happy to persevere with him - it's hardly as if there's a huge fan backlash against either of them .

One of the reasons cited for Mcleish getting the push was the poor quality of football . Why should Lambert be treated any differently?

I don't think this is how Lambert wants the team to be playing, but has been forced to due to injuries and a loss of form/confidence.  Under Lambert we have tried to play some more progressive football, whereas with Mcleish I think it was in his DNA to play a cautious style.

[Walmley_Villa]

As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?

[eastie]

As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?

Hard to believe hull scored almost as many home goals in 40 minutes yesterday as we have done in half a season

[supertom]

As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?

Hard to believe hull scored almost as many home goals in 40 minutes yesterday as we have done in half a season

And Hull are looking good without a center-forward who scores goals. I think Sagbo has 2 goals. He's essentially a Heskey. If they had a Drogba fuck knows how much higher they'd be.

[Damo70]

Lambert's out of ideas. All he's got left is to prescribe a course of leeches.

"It's all leeches with you isn't it? Your just a quack!"

"I'd rather be a quack than a ducky"!

[Damo70]

As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?

I agree that at the moment it looks like we need at least 5 or 6 players. However, get Vlaar and Benteke back fit and in form and bring in a decent midfielder and we would look a totally different team.

[russon]

Lambert's out of ideas. All he's got left is to prescribe a course of leeches.

"It's all leeches with you isn't it? Your just a quack!"

"I'd rather be a quack than a ducky"!

or perhaps Culverhouse has a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel

[sirlordbaltimore]

As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?

I don't buy into that personally. Non of our players are completely awful, they just look badly coached, playing in formations that don't suit them and generally a bit confused as to what their specific jobs in the side are

It's the only conclusion I can come to after watching them anyway

After 18 months in charge, ANY manager should have a best 11 and formation/style of play that suits them. Lambert obviously still has no clue

[supertom]

As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?

I don't buy into that personally. Non of our players are completely awful, they just look badly coached, playing in formations that don't suit them and generally a bit confused as to what their specific jobs in the side are

It's the only conclusion I can come to after watching them anyway

After 18 months in charge, ANY manager should have a best 11 and formation/style of play that suits them. Lambert obviously still has no clue

There's literally no excuse for how poor our play is and all the basic errors we make. Any pro-footballer be it from L2, Poland, Denmark, the French 2nd division, where-ever, should be able to take a throw in and find a team mate, or pass it five yards and find a team mate.
The lack of any organisation and gameplan is what hurts us, even more than some of the sub standard players. As bad as some are, there's no question they should be able to use a football better than they are doing. It comes down to Lambert's regime in my book. We make headless chickens look organised. I'd be looking at a decent coach in Germany perhaps. Get some of this German efficiency that Lambo was supposed to be giving us but hasn't in any way, shape or form.

[Tony Erdington]

the team is poor, we know that. when we took the lead yesterday, I wasn't sure what I should do, but some in the holte seemed to know and so I joined in. we scored then proceeded to sit very deep, inviting Swansea on to us, there is no confidence in this young team, I think the villa fans in the main have been brilliant in their support, but I put that down to the fact that the fans know this lerner aint going to do anything, to change the situation. I believe the previous managers have all done their best, just like lambert is doing, but the mantra from lerner is get the wages down, and buy cheap.

When he first came (lerner) he hadn't got a clue about football, and he still don't, he throw some money at it, with mo'n got burnt and since has slipped back across the pond, he will sell us, cuz the penny has dropped with him unless you are prepared to keep putting money in there is nothing in it for the owner. So under this ownership whats the point in changing manager.

[eastie]

@patmurphybbc: may bring in a couple but not attention grabbers.Money just not there anymore.Take it up with Lerner,not Lambert

@patmurphybbc: when cameras/microphones r off Lambert's relaxed.Got no pressures from Lerner,mentions 'project' a lot lately tho'

@patmurphybbc: He's going nowhere,he & Lerner are as tight as a drum

@patmurphybbc: Doesn't appear to be feeling the pressure when we deal with him.Seems fairly imperturbable,doesn't complain about finances

[Jimbo]

I think anyone expecting experienced Premier League quality players in January probably still believes in the Tooth Fairy.

[eastie]

What concerns with pat Murphy's comments is about the money not being there anymore - others will spend big to try and survive , if Lerner thinks we can spend £8m or so and survive then I'm afraid we will go down - you cannot survive that way .

Results are poor the football is awful and it appears lambert is under no pressure at all- how depressing.

[Jimbo]

He won't pay the wages. Good, experienced players won't play for peanuts. Hence, we have a team full of dross. It usually doesn't end well.

I've made the point before, there's not enough pressure on Lambert. It breeds complacency. Only a few in the media can be bothered to look into the reasons for that, and when the crowd show their displeasure, they get reminded that they can expect little better any time soon. This is modern football, not the 1890s; Aston Villa are no longer a big club.