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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: johnny from donny on December 26, 2013, 05:37:34 PM
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Simple enough question, mainly for the Lambert out camp. If he goes, who do you (realistically) want as manager?
Over to you, don't be shy :)
Ps, mods, feel to modify the options if one name comes up a lot; I just put 3 name is who would be readily available.
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Hoddle
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Miroslav Djukic or Pepe Mel
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I wouldn't be against Malkay MacKay or OGS. A huge no to hoddle from me. Yesterday's man, and a second rate one at that in my opinion.
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Hoddle
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Hoddle
Oh no please no
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Hoddle looks a good shout, but he failed at Spurs and Wolves since the England job, so may not be the alluring package he seems. Would need a strong assistant.
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thank god curbishley has gone elsewhere.
no to fruit cake Hoddle too.
I'd give Cowans a go
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This board would appoint lee Clark!
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Hoddle looks a good shout, but he failed at Spurs and Wolves since the England job, so may not be the alluring package he seems. Would need a strong assistant.
Hoddle resigned from the post almost 15 years ago. So much has changed in the game since then that I really don't see how his record in that job has any real relevance.
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Solksjaer?
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anyone who can install some fight into the weakest villa team I've ever seen. how are we supposed to bring up kids as villa fans under this manager?
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Solksjaer?
Do you feel a bit empty tonight too Paulie? Almost like one kick in the guts too many has finally broken your spirit?
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OGS 1st choice , Hoddle 2nd choice.
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Whatever, a couple of experienced heads and a bit of idea in the transfer market will be essential.
It is all moot though, he won't be going anywhere.
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Whatever, a couple of experienced heads and a bit of idea in the transfer market will be essential.
It is all moot though, he won't be going anywhere.
Sadly , I agree, I just can't see Lerner sacking him.
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Miroslav Djukic
Just got rid of him at my second team. No thank you.
However Pepe Mel or Bielsa would be good choices. Ralf Rangnick looked promising at Schalke. Felix Magath could sort any side out, he's a fucking hardass.
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André Villas-Boas for me, he was my first choice before Lambert was appointed...
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Miroslav Djukic
Just got rid of him at my second team. No thank you.
However Pepe Mel or Bielsa would be good choices. Ralf Rangnick looked promising at Schalke. Felix Magath could sort any side out, he's a fucking hardass.
Bielsa or rangnick I would take - not pepe mel though .
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I dunno, maybe appointing someone with only a single seasons experience at the top level was always asking for trouble. For that reason, the likes of Solksjaer are too risky for me.
What I want is the 2013 equivalent of Big Ron. A big name that would give the young players a lift and attract better players from the transfer market.
I'm probably going to get shot down here but....
A few years ago, Spurs were in the shit. Poor managerial choices had left them bottom of the league with a disgruntled squad. They changed the manager and reached the champions league within a couple of years. They then IMO made the idiotic decision to sack him and have been worse off ever since.
I'm sure you can guess who I'm referring to. Popular choice or not, the bloke knows his football, his tactics and has a very good record of improving youth players, and I think that's exactly what we need right now.
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Oh holy fuck no.
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Redknapp has all of the flaws of Lambert and none of the strengths. He's only good if you give him money to splurge.
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He knows his tactics? The fella who instructed Defoe to "run around a bit"?
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oh my god what am I about to say..........
harry twitching redkanpp
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Hoddle, Cowans, Redknapp....
HAVE. WE. NOT. LEARNED. ANYTHING.
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Hoddle? A bloke who hasn't managed for 7 years and got sacked from his last two jobs for being shit? And will come with baggage? What could possibly go wrong there.
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The manager who almost tactically engineered a victory over Argentina, until cheated by the re.
Thing is Ger, we are not going to get a top manager atm, but Hoddle will see it as an opportunity, realise Villas potential, play attacking football, attract good players.I think it was Neville who said he was the most tactically astute manager he had worked under, impresses me when hes on Sky anyway.
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Miroslav Djukic
Just got rid of him at my second team. No thank you.
However Pepe Mel or Bielsa would be good choices. Ralf Rangnick looked promising at Schalke. Felix Magath could sort any side out, he's a fucking hardass.
Bielsa or rangnick I would take - not pepe mel though .
If we managed to hire Bielsa I would be delighted. Sadly I doubt Lerner & Faulkner have ever heard of him.
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The manager who almost tactically engineered a victory over Argentina, until cheated by the re.
Thing is Ger, we are not going to get a top manager atm, but Hoddle will see it as an opportunity, realise Villas potential, play attacking football, attract good players.I think it was Neville who said he was the most tactically astute manager he had worked under, impresses me when hes on Sky anyway.
Almost winning a game 15 years ago is hardly the greatest thing to have on a CV. And how were we cheated, Beckham deserved to go under the rules of the game.
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I've never heard of him either. Sounds like a make of car.
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Steve Clarke ,Malkay McKay when he's sacked ,ANYBODY !!
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Bielsa's brilliant and mental. I'd be delighted but it's exceptionally unlikely to happen.
Rangnick's not healthy enough to manage a club full-time (sound familiar?) and Felix Magath's record consists exclusively of good starts at clubs until gradually the entire squad hates him. Perhaps not the best.
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I'd take virtually anybody from abroad. The only manager we've looked decent under in the past decade with any sort of plan was Houllier and his only downside was that he had a hard-on for Liverpool and was too professional for the wankers from the MON era. If only his ticker hadn't given out we would be where Newcastle are now.
Now I've not followed foreign leagues for a long time so I couldn't name names, all I know is that there are absolutely no British managers available that would sort us out short term and long term. Our squad is easily good enough for the top half. There are at least 10 worse teams on paper, we just need a manager that will get our players to get it on the deck and pass and move (Like Houllier did for us). Lambert clearly can't do that, he is tactically clueless and sticking with him without Benteke playing like God will definitely see us relegated.
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Solksjaer?
Do you feel a bit empty tonight too Paulie? Almost like one kick in the guts too many has finally broken your spirit?
I feel broken. I'll support Lambert with whatever I have left until the end but I feel like a video game character who's energy level is fucked. Ammo low, no medical kit in sight, pinned down in a building, the enemy surrounding me.
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Bielsa's brilliant and mental. I'd be delighted but it's exceptionally unlikely to happen.
Rangnick's not healthy enough to manage a club full-time (sound familiar?) and Felix Magath's record consists exclusively of good starts at clubs until gradually the entire squad hates him. Perhaps not the best.
They don't have to hate him forever, just until we're good again.
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Steve Clarke ,Malkay McKay when he's sacked ,ANYBODY !!
Don't be a fool
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Hoddle? Really
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Bielsa's brilliant and mental. I'd be delighted but it's exceptionally unlikely to happen.
I think his people may have thrown his name in for the Irish job, so if he was interested in that I could see him being interested in the villa gig.
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Hoddle would be an outrageous risk. OGS would be nearly as big. Not a exactly a "no" from me just a huge risk. I'm just up for a bit of excitement to be honest, I can't abide this turgid, incompetent "points is all that matter" shite.
I think whatever happens the manager needs to be backed and needs to bring up some quality to give everyone a lift. May only need to be one or two players but they need to be very good ones.
And let's all remember there is a whole wide world out there, it's not Big Sam or bust...
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Steve Lomas is now available.
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I've never heard of him either. Sounds like a make of car.
Do not anger the Bielsa!
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/760550/dramatic-bielsa-o.gif)
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Steve Lomas is now available.
Get him in.
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Me and the chap I went to the game with today were discussing getting Villas-Boas in at half time, and he said that he'd probably want a hundred million in transfer funds to even think about it. I said if you give Lambert a hundred million to spend, he'd probably try and buy a hundred players with it.
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The main thing I want from the next manager is someone who realises and understands we have a major issue playing at Villa Park.
Y'know maybe getting the squad together first day of pre season, getting scraps of paper and asking each individual to write down the main reason they find it so difficult playing home games and working from that if you get some sensible answers.
Is it that difficult to find a manager who can get us 8-9 home wins a season playing in a reasonably entertaining manner?
You could pick someone out from the Holte end to manage us for the Swansea game and I doubt the performance would be any worse than what we've churned out today or the Sunderland game.
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Bielsas team play good football tbh.
PWS, i'm on about Campbells disallowed goal in the last minute, for a supposed push.
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Hoddle? Really
I think all this talk of Hoddle is the best indication yet of how badly PL is performing.
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André Villas-Boas for me, he was my first choice before Lambert was appointed...
He track record shocking
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You could pick someone out from the Holte end to manage us for the Swansea game and I doubt the performance would be any worse than what we've churned out today or the Sunderland game.
What I want more than anything is for our players not to look surprised when they receive the ball. Most of them throw their hands up from their sides like they're disarming an IED.
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AVB don't win many more home games either, think his Spurs record was 4/9 this season which considering how much better and creative their squad is than ours isn't great.
One thing that is saving Lambert is I don't see a present manager available who'll push us that much significantly forward especially with this board's track record of appointing mangers.
I really think the time has come to go abroad, imagine if we could coax someone like Marcelo Bielsa to Villa Park? The football world would sit up and take notice of that.
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How depressing is it that we're in such a state that a terrible manager stays in a job because we can only afford to attract somebody worse?
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My great uncle is 80 and sadly has dementia. But, even so he knows that footballers must track runners, get goal side and get to the opposition goal line, among other utterly obvious basic things. He is available.
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Carlos Queiroz. Currently languishing at the Iran national team - may be persuaded to come to the PL?
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How depressing is it that we're in such a state that a terrible manager stays in a job because we can only afford to attract somebody worse?
Look, we are in a dire position. Absolutely dire. I don't know what the club's standards are anymore. After McLeish was sacked it seemed that the owners laid down a marker that flirting with relegation and trying not to lose games was Unacceptable.
Nineteen months later we are where we are. I don't know anymore and things are so bad I don't think we can change manager as it is too risky with a group of young players who were moulded by the man who gave them their chance. The new manager might just think 'Holy Crap none of these are good enough' and then what? Buy a new squad in January or shatter their confidence?
We have no easy way out of this I am afraid.
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Gary Neville anyone?
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Carlos Queiroz. Currently languishing at the Iran national team - may be persuaded to come to the PL?
By 'languishing', do you mean "preparing for the World Cup"?
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How depressing is it that we're in such a state that a terrible manager stays in a job because we can only afford to attract somebody worse?
Look, we are in a dire position. Absolutely dire. I don't know what the club's standards are anymore. After McLeish was sacked it seemed that the owners laid down a marker that flirting with relegation and trying not to lose games was Unacceptable.
Nineteen months later we are where we are. I don't know anymore and things are so bad I don't think we can change manager as it is too risky with a group of young players who were moulded by the man who gave them their chance. The new manager might just think 'Holy Crap none of these are good enough' and then what? Buy a new squad in January or shatter their confidence?
We have no easy way out of this I am afraid.
We could start by remembering that although not at the levels of old, we're still a pretty big fucking club. And then start acting like one.
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How depressing is it that we're in such a state that a terrible manager stays in a job because we can only afford to attract somebody worse?
Look, we are in a dire position. Absolutely dire. I don't know what the club's standards are anymore. After McLeish was sacked it seemed that the owners laid down a marker that flirting with relegation and trying not to lose games was Unacceptable.
Nineteen months later we are where we are. I don't know anymore and things are so bad I don't think we can change manager as it is too risky with a group of young players who were moulded by the man who gave them their chance. The new manager might just think 'Holy Crap none of these are good enough' and then what? Buy a new squad in January or shatter their confidence?
We have no easy way out of this I am afraid.
We could start by remembering that although not at the levels of old, we're still a pretty big fucking club. And then start acting like one.
Amen to that.
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It would be too risky because of possible/likely relegation? Would that be the end of the world really? I don't think so. Hitting the rock bottom could actually be the exact thing we need right now. Otherwise I fear nothing changes in this football club.
Just get a foreign manager in who has shown he can organize his group to play good modern football even with limited resources. And if we'll stay in the Premiership, good. If we'll be relegated, that's fine too.
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It would be too risky because of possible/likely relegation? Would that be the end of the world really? I don't think so. Hitting the rock bottom could actually be the exact thing we need right now. Otherwise I fear nothing changes in this football club.
Just get a foreign manager in who has shown he can organize his group to play good modern football even with limited resources. And if we'll stay in the Premiership, good. If we'll be relegated, that's fine too.
This isn't Fight Club.
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Relegation is the last thing we need.
Sheffield Wednesday, Forest, Wolves, Ipswich.....all clubs which have gone down and have languished in the lower league for years afterwards.
We got away with it in the 1980's because Graham Taylor went through the place like a tornado and turned us round. The game is a world away from that now
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Martin laursen
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SVC
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Relegation is the last thing we need.
Sheffield Wednesday, Forest, Wolves, Ipswich.....all clubs which have gone down and have languished in the lower league for years afterwards.
We got away with it in the 1980's because Graham Taylor went through the place like a tornado and turned us round. The game is a world away from that now
Exactly. Leeds anyone?
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Gary Neville anyone?
Would be a great club manager in my opinion - not sure he would want this job though.
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Agreed.
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Like the idea of G.nev. Very knowledgable and by far the best sky pundit
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Carlos Queiroz. Currently languishing at the Iran national team - may be persuaded to come to the PL?
By 'languishing', do you mean "preparing for the World Cup"?
True. But he's reported as expressing a wish to come back to England at some point and supposedly didn't dismiss interest in the Tottenham job out of hand ('he wasn't asked'). Being interested in Spurs and being interested in us is a totally different kettle of fish of course!
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The best up and coming manager as far as I can see is Mark Robins at Huddersfield. This would be a gamble but not a folly as appointing a manager who successfully relegated the shite.
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The best up and coming manager as far as I can see is Mark Robins at Huddersfield. This would be a gamble but not a folly as appointing a manager who successfully relegated the shite.
No to mark robins , best options of those mentioned have been Bielsa, rangnick, Neville , OGS , for me .
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The best up and coming manager as far as I can see is Mark Robins at Huddersfield. This would be a gamble but not a folly as appointing a manager who successfully relegated the shite.
That's what Lambert was when we appointed him. If we go that route again we may as well just keep Lambert.
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I wouldn't hold out any hope of anybody at the club being able to pick a decent replacement.
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Relegation is the last thing we need.
Sheffield Wednesday, Forest, Wolves, Ipswich.....all clubs which have gone down and have languished in the lower league for years afterwards.
We got away with it in the 1980's because Graham Taylor went through the place like a tornado and turned us round. The game is a world away from that now
Exactly. Leeds anyone?
Newcastle anyone else? Not every club that drops stays there for years. Not that I want us to chance it!
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On current form I think pretty much anyone would be an improvement on the dross that's been dished up this season, it.s not just that the players for the most part are out of their depth and lacking confidence it's mainly down to the fact they are clueless when in possession of the ball, passing it around the defence may look like we are in control but are we? We just don't look comfortable, ever. There's always a mistake waiting to happen and today a better team than Palace would have had the game won at half time. That's all down to the manager. His players mainly, his tactics, his style of play (whatever that style is meant to be), his motivation, his project. We are going backwards and it will only finish one way with Lambert at the helm.
He has to go.
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Gary Neville anyone?
Good shout.
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I wouldn't hold out any hope of anybody at the club being able to pick a decent replacement.
This for me.
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Bit harsh to say that. Very few on here were disappointed with us going after OGS and then getting Lambert.
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Bit harsh to say that. Very few on here were disappointed with us going after OGS and then getting Lambert.
I wasn't as OGS was too inexperienced and also (maybe unfairly) another Fergie Accolyte - to follow such luminaries as Crutches Robson, TSM, Mark McGhee, Paul Ince to name but some.
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Bit harsh to say that. Very few on here were disappointed with us going after OGS and then getting Lambert.
True , I was pleased we went for lambert but the football he's serving up here is nothing like what he did at Norwich - here he just seems so negative .
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lerner wont sack lambo he will drag it out as he wants to sell the club
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How do you know that?
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Martin laursen
Is he even taking his coaching badges?
I'd be tempted by a Lauren or OGS but would want someone higher up in the hierarchy to do the running of the club whilst the OGS/Lauren can coach.
Otherwise bielsa, but can't see that happening for a second.
Still think Lambert deserves the opportunity to spend some money however.
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lerner wont sack lambo he will drag it out as he wants to sell the club
Who to, considering he'd want a return on his investment?
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It is a bit harsh and I was pleased when we got lambert and the idea of developing up and coming players. What I wasn't expecting was to do this largely in a vacuum without established players that could help the up and coming players develop. In no way is this going to work without a few more established pro's in the side.
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lerner wont sack lambo he will drag it out as he wants to sell the club
Your opinion or fact?
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If Lambert goes I would go for Gary Neville. Talks more sense than most other pundits put together. Passionate, knowledgeable and I reckon he would fancy the job and have the balls and self belief to do it. I don't think he cares about whether he makes friends or upsets people either. Did Ron Saunders care about making friends or whether he upset people?
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If Lambert goes I would go for Gary Neville. Talks more sense than most other pundits put together. Passionate, knowledgeable and I reckon he would fancy the job and have the balls and self belief to do it. I don't think he cares about whether he makes friends or upsets people either. Did Ron Saunders care about making friends or whether he upset people?
He works with the England team, and every time I watch them they look like an international version of us, so I'm sceptical.
Knowing loads is ace, but the skill in management is getting the team to understand it too.
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What actual managerial experience does he have?
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If Lambert goes I would go for Gary Neville. Talks more sense than most other pundits put together. Passionate, knowledgeable and I reckon he would fancy the job and have the balls and self belief to do it. I don't think he cares about whether he makes friends or upsets people either. Did Ron Saunders care about making friends or whether he upset people?
I like Neville but can't see him being interested in the villa job , seems to have built a decent career in the media and coaching the England squad - can't see him tossing that away to come here .
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I'm in the AVB or OGS camp, still think AVB has a lot to offer hands tied a little at spurs with Baldini controlling the transfers. OGS is risky but maybe Neville as his no2 would work.
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Neville would kill for the villa job. Not saying he's qualified though.
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This vote isn't right.
There should be an option on 'anyone else'
It's quit simple, we need to go back to basics and learn how to play a game of football, that's defend, attack and possession.
We need someone who isn't so stubborn, I'm sick of stubborn people.
I'd gladly have someone from the lower leagues, who has earnt his stripes.
If I had a real choice, I'd pick Harry Redknapp, no nonsense, gets the basics right and plays good football, although our treatment of him means it won't happen.
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It's tempting to look at Southampton and think "I'll have some of that please" but then I suppose a foreign manager with fancy ideas could go one of two ways, ie either take the league by storm like Pochettino or fail miserably like Venglos.
There has to be some new thinking though, as although I think Lambert should go, there's very little point in sacking him and replacing him with another identikit British manager like say, Adkins. I'd love to see somebody dedicated to a passing football ideal though, ie with a similar outlook to Martinez or Rodgers.
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Neville would kill for the villa job. Not saying he's qualified though.
Most ridiculous post ever, He'd never come to Villa/
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Neville would kill for the villa job. Not saying he's qualified though.
Most ridiculous post ever, He'd never come to Villa/
He speaks highly of us as a club and I think he would fancy a crack at management, especially a PL post.
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I'm sure he does. Would he be any good though?
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He would be a gamble but there aren't many other feasable names who excite me.
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I'm sure he does. Would he be any good though?
Not exactly set England on fire has he? And from some comments I think he'd be a bit too keen on 442, which I'm not a fan of (can't remember what the comments were though).
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Don't see Neville dropping his commentary, punditry and England gig halfway through the season to come to us.
Even Phil Thompson wouldn't come when Houllier went knocking for him.
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I'm sure he does. Would he be any good though?
Not exactly set England on fire has he? And from some comments I think he'd be a bit too keen on 442, which I'm not a fan of (can't remember what the comments were though).
Surely the England tactics are Hodgsons ? i'd be game to take a chance on him talks a good game at least and can't be any worse.
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If we were to change the manager now really we'd have to go with a manager with a proven premiership record, bringing a foreign or even lower league manager in with no experience of the premiership would just be too risky in my opinion. Coming in to a completely new league in the position we are in at this time of year and with the squad we have would be amazingly hard for any manager. You need someone that has been there and done it before and can provide confidence to the team.
Personally i would go with Redknapp. A contentious choice no doubt, but he's a good manager that can get teams playing good exciting football, he has an eye for a bargain as well, and would be able to get a few good experienced players in to improve us in the window, which is what we desperately need at the moment.
I think he would probably be a short term solution though. What we need at the club most is consistency, consistency of approach and footballing style that stays whichever manager comes in. Maybe it's time to think about getting a DoF in to give us that?
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I'm in the AVB or OGS camp, still think AVB has a lot to offer hands tied a little at spurs with Baldini controlling the transfers. OGS is risky but maybe Neville as his no2 would work.
Why would Neville want to work as a number 2 to OGS?
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This vote isn't right.
There should be an option on 'anyone else'
It's quit simple, we need to go back to basics and learn how to play a game of football, that's defend, attack and possession.
We need someone who isn't so stubborn, I'm sick of stubborn people.
I'd gladly have someone from the lower leagues, who has earnt his stripes.
If I had a real choice, I'd pick Harry Redknapp, no nonsense, gets the basics right and plays good football, although our treatment of him means it won't happen.
Then your option is other from UK. It's not hard. The point is to have an idea of how you would improve the situation we're in. It's not enough to just say Lambert out, the question is then who? There has to be some coherent strategy or we will end up like Wolves when they sacked McCarthy.
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Of the premier league managers cycle the best I can see is Di Matteo and people find faults in him despite turning Chelsea's season around.
I really think we need to steer clear of the british manager and go abroad.
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This vote isn't right.
There should be an option on 'anyone else'
It's quit simple, we need to go back to basics and learn how to play a game of football, that's defend, attack and possession.
We need someone who isn't so stubborn, I'm sick of stubborn people.
I'd gladly have someone from the lower leagues, who has earnt his stripes.
If I had a real choice, I'd pick Harry Redknapp, no nonsense, gets the basics right and plays good football, although our treatment of him means it won't happen.
Then your option is other from UK. It's not hard. The point is to have an idea of how you would improve the situation we're in. It's not enough to just say Lambert out, the question is then who? There has to be some coherent strategy or we will end up like Wolves when they sacked McCarthy.
That's the name I was looking for. Mick McCarthy.
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Thankfully someone has employed Curbishly!
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Ronald Koeman would be my choice. I follow Feyenoord and he has done a terrific job there. Used to working on modest resources, plays a similar 4-3-3 system and good at promoting academy players. I think he would be a good fit.
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Ronald Koeman would be my choice. I follow Feyenoord and he has done a terrific job there. Used to working on modest resources, plays a similar 4-3-3 system and good at promoting academy players. I think he would be a good fit.
Finally a sane suggestion
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Solksjaer?
Do you feel a bit empty tonight too Paulie? Almost like one kick in the guts too many has finally broken your spirit?
I feel broken. I'll support Lambert with whatever I have left until the end but I feel like a video game character who's energy level is fucked. Ammo low, no medical kit in sight, pinned down in a building, the enemy surrounding me.
I'm with all 3 of you; drained and disheartened; embarrassed and let down; pissed.
Re manager: I want a chairman and manager who are winners - I don't feel the passion, the drive and the commitment to want to win at VP right now. It's all far too "stay in the Premiership and pick up the dosh" rather than "Actually, we want to compete for all the trophies going, and we'll make a serious bid to do so."
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Ronald Koeman would be on my list if I was in charge of the making the next appointment.
Solskjaer, Malky Mackay, Goncharenko (not sure about this one, but more research might come up trumps), Vito Pereira, Peter Bosz, all names that are doing pretty well at the moment and tipped for big things.
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Solksjaer?
Do you feel a bit empty tonight too Paulie? Almost like one kick in the guts too many has finally broken your spirit?
I feel broken. I'll support Lambert with whatever I have left until the end but I feel like a video game character who's energy level is fucked. Ammo low, no medical kit in sight, pinned down in a building, the enemy surrounding me.
I'm with all 3 of you; drained and disheartened; embarrassed and let down; pissed.
Re manager: I want a chairman and manager who are winners - I don't feel the passion, the drive and the commitment to want to win at VP right now. It's all far too "stay in the Premiership and pick up the dosh" rather than "Actually, we want to compete for all the trophies going, and we'll make a serious bid to do so."
It just rammed it home as the ball hit the net that we are now so bad at VP that Palace came and deserved to win. We look like a club on its knees waiting to be put out of its misery. There was optimism when Lambert came. Now there is just fear of how bad it can still get. We are in big, big trouble, and need to sort it out fast. Since Vlaar got injured we have lost all 4 games.
If Lambert is staying, someone needs to give him 15 million and tell him to buy 3 players who are all over 25 and all have a voice. And to stop turning his nose up to loaning players.
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Would promote Tony McAndrew as caretaker manager for now, he could'nt be any worse. I watch the youth team and he seems to do ok with them
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Are people really suggesting we hire a manager because they speak well on sky? Hoddle was a great coach but an awful manager who has been out of the game for an age. Neville has managed exactly how many clubs? We have fallen a great deal in recent years but we are surely in with a shout of a manager? I would take Rednapp in an instant, hate him as a person but his sides always play good football and he knows the game.
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Koeman or Riijkard for me.
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This isn't a job for the likes of Lambert (or OGS at the moment) They're far too green, it's simply too big a hop from Norwich (or Molde) to us (especially with only two years under his bet in the top 2 flights when appointed) as the expectation level (despite recent downgradings) is just vastly different to most jobs in this league. The team has looked devoid of confidence and composure all season, and that must surely come from PL himself.
People outside of the club, consistently underestimate how big a club we are and how big the challenge is (especially right now). I'm sure Lambert arrived not fully appreciating what he'd taken on, and now looks like a startled rabbit caught in the headlights, which appears to be reflected in the players If Lamber does get his P45 then it needs to be with the modern day equivalent of a BFR waiting in the wings, someone with the personality to cope with the job and the expectation levels. Ironically if his football hadn't been so god awful, McLeish would have been ideal.
Steer well clear of any Scandinavian league hotshots (and that includes OGS) at the moment, especially if they have a huge financial advantage over their rivals. Ståle Solbakken was the most successful coach in Denmark of recent times, winning god knows how many SupaLiga titles and Danish Cups, even getting FCK to the knock out stages of CL, but fell flat on his arse at both Cologne and Wolves. He's now back at FCK and transformed them from relegation candidates to favourites for the title in the space of 7 or 8 games. The leagues over here are simply too weak to judge a coaches ability when transferred to the top flights of the better leagues.
They'd need to go through the Dutch or Belgian leagues for a few seasons before I'd trust them.
It doesn't have to be Premier League experience, the daftest restriction I can think of. Despite out flirtation with OGS, we still ended up with just that. But it must be someone with a record in one of the better leagues, and of at least managing a club approaching our size / stature / aspirations.
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Unfortunately I have little or no faith in Lerner or Faulkner making a decent appointment.
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Unfortunately I have little or no faith in Lerner or Faulkner making a decent appointment.
Absolutely. There is practically zero chance they will get someone in better. There are people who's discarded toenails know more about on field football matters.
May they can receive another letter from Fergie advocating Mark McGhee or Darren Ferguson
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I have had only a couple of drinks after driving and a meal with the family and calmed down after watching that atrocity today. I have decided I am still backing Lambert for now - he dug us out of a worse trough last year - but if he were to go I would bring in a manager from China:
Marcello Lippi.
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Why would Malky Mckay be any better?
Like Lambert all he's done is promoted a club and maybe keep them in the league.
I remember how negative Cardiff were at VP earlier this season, they came for a 0-0 which was laughable given how bad we are at home.
He's another decent manager who might be a good one but I don't see him being a significant upgrade personally.
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Why would Malky Mckay be any better?
Like Lambert all he's done is promoted a club and maybe keep them in the league.
I remember how negative Cardiff were at VP earlier this season, they came for a 0-0 which was laughable given how bad we are at home.
He's another decent manager who might be a good one but I don't see him being a significant upgrade personally.
Agree - I'd give Lambert the next 3 games. In US terms a losing record and it should be good bye
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Mike Phelan
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Mike Phelan
No more Fergie accolytes thanks. We had one.
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Mike Phelan
No more Fergie accolytes thanks. We had one.
Maybe you meant acolyte
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Just read through the thread as not been on line much tonight.
There have been some sensible suggestions and some downright mad ideas. Suggesting someone like Gary Neville because he is a good pundit on Sky is like sticking my nephew in charge because he's good at FIFA 13.
The most intriguing suggestion is Koeman but I don't think that Lambert is under any threat of dismissal.
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Whether you think he should go or not, Lambert should be under threat and he should know that he is. Same as every player should know they are going to be dropped if they don't perform otherwise there is the risk of complacency.
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Houllier.
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Whether you think he should go or not, Lambert should be under threat and he should know that he is. Same as every player should know they are going to be dropped if they don't perform otherwise there is the risk of complacency.
I agree but does Randy see things the same way?
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Hoddle? Really
I think all this talk of Hoddle is the best indication yet of how badly PL is performing.
I know a few mates who are Wolves fans who said they were dire to watch under Hoddle, basically passing the ball about three hundred times and still not getting over the half-way line. Plus he hasn't managed in this league for about eleven years and wasn't exactly brilliant at Spurs.
We need someone who will get the basics right first, and then improve the quality of the play. Lambert didn't get many of the basics right last year, but got away with it because we played some really neat and attractive fooball. This season, we havent been able to do either.
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
Hoddle and Phelean, dear oh dear. Which Neville may I ask?
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
Hoddle and Phelean, dear oh dear. Which Neville may I ask?
Neville Neville
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
Hoddle and Phelean, dear oh dear. Which Neville may I ask?
Neville Neville
You torn your dress.
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
Hoddle and Phelean, dear oh dear. Which Neville may I ask?
Neville Neville
You torn your dress.
your face is a mess
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Get Frank Lampard in as player manager.
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Koeman is the most interesting suggestion I think I have seen on here. Hoddle on first glance looks a bit of a goer but when the light is on you just kind of feel you would rather not.
OGS, looked really shiny 18 months back, but has done little to inspire since.
Part of me just wants a couple of people with a bit of Villa running through their veins in charge.
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
Hoddle and Phelean, dear oh dear. Which Neville may I ask?
Neville Neville
Shit. Is this the Djemba Djemba twins 'ol man?
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Koeman is the most interesting suggestion I think I have seen on here. Hoddle on first glance looks a bit of a goer but when the light is on you just kind of feel you would rather not.
OGS, looked really shiny 18 months back, but has done little to inspire since.
Part of me just wants a couple of people with a bit of Villa running through their veins in charge.
Maybe OGS with Martin Laursen as his assistant?
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Fuck me. Hoddle, Neville and Mike Phelan. Sod alcohol, I'll take straight kerosene.
Hoddle and Phelean, dear oh dear. Which Neville may I ask?
Neville Neville
You torn your dress.
your face is a mess
I love you so.
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Koeman is the most interesting suggestion I think I have seen on here. Hoddle on first glance looks a bit of a goer but when the light is on you just kind of feel you would rather not.
OGS, looked really shiny 18 months back, but has done little to inspire since.
Part of me just wants a couple of people with a bit of Villa running through their veins in charge.
Maybe OGS with Martin Laursen as his assistant?
I would take that if offered it right now you know.
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Koeman is the most interesting suggestion I think I have seen on here. Hoddle on first glance looks a bit of a goer but when the light is on you just kind of feel you would rather not.
OGS, looked really shiny 18 months back, but has done little to inspire since.
Part of me just wants a couple of people with a bit of Villa running through their veins in charge.
Maybe OGS with Martin Laursen as his assistant?
I would take that if offered it right now you know.
Christ, me too. What a state of affairs.
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Not sure I would. I can't help thinking that the last thing we need right now is another very inexperienced manager and assistant.
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Not sure I would. I can't help thinking that the last thing we need right now is another very inexperienced manager and assistant.
Well, at least we've seen what OGS does in training, and whatever Lambert is doing it can't be better.
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Probably not. But something to give a few days hope would be nice!
At the moment I am clinging to Vlaar being back on Sat and a fully fit Benteke tearing apart Sunderland at their place!
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Cappello ?
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You can just see the clowns appointing somebody like Bob Bradley. Nearly happened a few years ago didn't it, and I have no faith that they have got any wiser in the time since then.
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Not sure I would. I can't help thinking that the last thing we need right now is another very inexperienced manager and assistant.
Well, at least we've seen what OGS does in training, and whatever Lambert is doing it can't be better.
Dave reckons OGS was their first choice. He's available now. I don't think they'd sack Lambert - they like his commitment to the cheapness cause too much - but I wonder if they'd think about that option.
I also wonder whether if we lost to Swansea and Sunderland they'd actually have no choice but to change things.
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Whether you think he should go or not, Lambert should be under threat and he should know that he is. Same as every player should know they are going to be dropped if they don't perform otherwise there is the risk of complacency.
Trouble is we are struggling to think of a viable managerial alternative to Lambert let alone ten viable alternatives to our outfield players today.
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Not sure I would. I can't help thinking that the last thing we need right now is another very inexperienced manager and assistant.
Well, at least we've seen what OGS does in training, and whatever Lambert is doing it can't be better.
Dave reckons OGS was their first choice. He's available now. I don't think they'd sack Lambert - they like his commitment to the cheapness cause too much - but I wonder if they'd think about that option.
I also wonder whether if we lost to Swansea and Sunderland they'd actually have no choice but to change things.
I don't think any manager could survive six defeats in a row, particularly against opposition which we should be competitive against and particularly playing as badly as we have.
I wanted OGS at the time and would quite like him now. However, if we are to sack the manager (something I'd only do reluctantly and sadly, if I were in Lerner's position) we must actually have a succession planned like Southampton, and not flounder about pathetically like Wolves.
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Not sure I would. I can't help thinking that the last thing we need right now is another very inexperienced manager and assistant.
Well, at least we've seen what OGS does in training, and whatever Lambert is doing it can't be better.
Dave reckons OGS was their first choice. He's available now. I don't think they'd sack Lambert - they like his commitment to the cheapness cause too much - but I wonder if they'd think about that option.
I also wonder whether if we lost to Swansea and Sunderland they'd actually have no choice but to change things.
I think a decision has to be made after those two games to either bring in a new manager in time for him to use the window or stick with Lambert all the way to the end of the season.
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You can just see the clowns appointing somebody like Bob Bradley. Nearly happened a few years ago didn't it, and I have no faith that they have got any wiser in the time since then.
We were heading for certain relegation in 2006/2007 before those'clowns' showed up.
Oh wait....I'm probably talking bollocks again.
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Koeman is the most interesting suggestion I think I have seen on here. Hoddle on first glance looks a bit of a goer but when the light is on you just kind of feel you would rather not.
OGS, looked really shiny 18 months back, but has done little to inspire since.
Part of me just wants a couple of people with a bit of Villa running through their veins in charge.
A bit harsh. He has had three full seasons in charge at Molde and has won the league twice in his first two seasons and the cup in the season just gone. Molde hadn't won the league for about a century before he came it should be noted.
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I like the look of Murat Yakin at Basel, they've impressed me in the Champions League.
Marcelo Bielsa is a vastly experienced manage out of work.
My choice would be going down the continental route, Villa have gone stale and choose to live in the prehistoric era of managerial choices.
I don't want anyone who has only managed in the lower leagues, hasn't won anything and has a moustache.
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but if they have won something at anything and have lots of hair they're in
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Not convinced OGS - as our Danish post said Wolves hired someone similar from a Scandanavian League and it didn't work out.
None of those listed inspire me - Jol and Clarke had better squads than Lambert inherited / assembled recently so not sure why they would do any better.
Depressing - that it be.
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Hoddle
A B H ........... Anyone but Hoddle.
If he was appointed I'd be hoping for relegation just so that he'd be fired
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Hoddle
A B H ........... Anyone but Hoddle.
If he was appointed I'd be hoping for relegation just so that he'd be fired
He is exactly the type of option our less than enlightened senior leadership would hire. There was a case for hiring Lambert and it looks like the wheels have come off. At least their thinking was in the right place, if not their selection.
There was a case for every manager Doug hired / fired. Some worked for a limited period of 3-4 years and some didn't
There was no case for the hires prior to Lambert - an ill, aloof part time administrator and former coach who had backed the worst French coach since well since he himself was in charge and the next one which was the worst managerial appointment in our history.
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There was a case for every manager Doug hired / fired. Some worked for a limited period of 3-4 years and some didn't
Not sure there was a case to hire a Shrewsbury manager to take over a team who were European champions 2 years earlier, or to hire the manage from a team bottom of the table who went on to both take us down between them.
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There was a case for every manager Doug hired / fired. Some worked for a limited period of 3-4 years and some didn't
Not sure there was a case to hire a Shrewsbury manager to take over a team who were European champions 2 years earlier, or to hire the manage from a team bottom of the table who went on to both take us down between them.
Turner was considered one of the brightest new breeds at the time. A new generation. Sadly he was out of his depth.
McDuff had a decent record in Scotland IIRC when there were actually 4 good teams and had lots of experience. He'd done ok with Cit-eh. Not great and I always thought City were bottom but I'm sure someone on here corrected me and they were in fact about 15th at the time.
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I've gone for 'Other from UK' and would like to nominate my Uncle Charlie. He ticks all of the boxes given Lerner's last two selections - Scottish, pleasant guy, knows nothing about football in the final third of a pitch, brass necked, and to top it off he's got a soft spot for Watford so can evidence some SGT pedigree. Wouldn't come cheap though, he'll have to commute from Totnes and we'd need to widen the VP tunnel to get him through it.
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Turner was miles out of his depth jumping from Shrewsbury to a huge club like villa - nearly everyone at the time thought so- as for McNeill it was a disaster waiting to happen .
I like Doug and he made some inspired appointments but I really couldn't work out the attraction in either of those.
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Turner was miles out of his depth jumping from Shrewsbury to a huge club like villa - nearly everyone at the time thought so- as for McNeill it was a disaster waiting to happen .
I like Doug and he made some inspired appointments but I really couldn't work out the attraction in either of those.
Were there better or more realistic options at the time? I can't remember the other candidates.
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Doug had a soft spot for pleasant younger men who were deferential and smiled a lot. That is what swung it for Graham Turner. He probably addressed Doug as "sir".
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AVB? He might not want to join the shambles that we are, but at least it would be something different. We need the momentum a new boss brings - badly.
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AVB would struggle badly. Not a chance he would be any better.
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AVB would struggle badly. Not a chance he would be any better.
Agreee
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AVB would struggle badly. Not a chance he would be any better.
Agreee
Completely disagree, he has a mixed record but his tactics and style of play are much, much better than our Paul's.
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Darn...I see JG has just got a job.
If we took McLeish back, would he have to pay back his severance pay?
(Although I think it could be a train wreck, Harry isn't a bad shout, but we wouldn't pay the money)
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I don't want OGS anywhere near our club. He turned us down once. He can do one.
He'd turn up for work in his suit with his Yanited top sticking out a bit underneath at the back.
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Can't believe people seriously want Hoddle.
One, he's a nutjob (think about our links with Acorns - but in his eyes it's because they did something bad in a previous life) and two, he hasn't managed for bloody ages. Why would he be an option. I don't get why Hoddle is all of a sudden back in the limelight. Probably because of the Spurs job, but if that hadn't come up, nobody would've suggested him.
AVB has been shit. None of the players seem to like him.
Somebody mentioned a manager of a Champions League club, why not? Someone like the Southampton manager. Someone who will not expect to win the league, but will try and play entertaining football. Rather try to win and finish 17th than be boring and finish 8th/9th.
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agreed but we have not finished ninth since the sick one. if we could finish ninth with Lambert i'd be thrilled despite not being able to string two consecutive forward passes together but of course its probably not going to happen.
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Can't believe people seriously want Hoddle.
One, he's a nutjob (think about our links with Acorns - but in his eyes it's because they did something bad in a previous life) and two, he hasn't managed for bloody ages. Why would he be an option. I don't get why Hoddle is all of a sudden back in the limelight. Probably because of the Spurs job, but if that hadn't come up, nobody would've suggested him.
AVB has been shit. None of the players seem to like him.
Somebody mentioned a manager of a Champions League club, why not? Someone like the Southampton manager. Someone who will not expect to win the league, but will try and play entertaining football. Rather try to win and finish 17th than be boring and finish 8th/9th.
"Rather try and finish 17th"?
I'm sure you'll be headhunted by Lerner sooner or later.
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I still think it's too early to ditch Lambert and I want to see what his transfer targets are first. But if he did go, well....I hate myself for saying this but I think Redknapp would be the one I'd be most optimistic with. It would be a bizarre sensation, wanting to smack my own club's manager in the face every time I saw him, but you can't deny the guy's ability to build an effective squad and his teams tend to play quite good football.
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His teams play decent stuff but he has no idea how, and only builds decent squads if you give him infinity kajillion quid to spend on it.
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I know he tends to splash the cash around like the stuff grows in trees, but at QPR this season he seems to be cutting his cloth to suit the circumstances a little more. And their squad looks better than ours.
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I can see where redknapp gets his reputation for being a chequebook manager, but to be fair, I'd say he just makes the most of whatever funds he's provided with.
If he could build a side that contains the likes of Ferdinand, Carrick, Defoe and Joe Cole developed solely from the youth side, then I'd say he's not nearly as one dimensional as some would have you believe.
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René Girard from Lille would be my top choice having done lots of research (on Wikipedia).
I'd be happy with Villas-Boas or Bielsa and would grudgingly accept Di Matteo.
No to anyone without experience in a top league especially if they, like Solskjaer, have already turned us down once.
And absolutely no to Glenn Fucking Hoddle.
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I can see where redknapp gets his reputation for being a chequebook manager, but to be fair, I'd say he just makes the most of whatever funds he's provided with.
If he could build a side that contains the likes of Ferdinand, Carrick, Defoe and Joe Cole developed solely from the youth side, then I'd say he's not nearly as one dimensional as some would have you believe.
I like redknapp but I think we should be looking for someone younger - i do think we need someone with football experience on the board though or in a DOF role and bring in a coach to deal purely with the playing side.
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I know he tends to splash the cash around like the stuff grows in trees, but at QPR this season he seems to be cutting his cloth to suit the circumstances a little more. And their squad looks better than ours.
Everyone, rightly, went mad when we appointed a manager with two relegations on his CV, you want to appoint a bloke with three?
Redknapp's a dinosaur, a vile human being and, quite possibly, a crook. He should be filed next to Hoddle on the "Fuck Right Off" list.
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Redknapp never has and probably never will leave his beloved London/SouthCoast.
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Villas-Boas is an excellent manager, I think,and just needs to find the 'right club at the right time - I'd be pretty delighted if he were to join Villa (although I'd say it's extremely unlikely!).
That said, I shudder to think of our defence playing his fabled 'high line'.......still, thinking about it, Vlaar and Okore could probably pull it off - Okore is certainly quick enough.
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There no really promising up and coming British managers that would fit the bill- does randy have any experience of European football?
Who put OGS in the frame for him last time - or was it another sir alex recommendation ?
I think we need to go down the line of a foreign coach possibly - regarding koeman- would he want the job ?
There are interesting names - koeman, rangnick, Bielsa .
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There no really promising up and coming British managers that would fit the bill- does randy have any experience of European football?
Who put OGS in the frame for him last time - or was it another sir alex recommendation ?
I think we need to go down the line of a foreign coach possibly - regarding koeman- would he want the job ?
There are interesting names - koeman, rangnick, Bielsa .
All of whom would cost plenty of money. I think Villa do pay the managers pretty handsomely, though, don't they? Wasn;t there some thing about McLeish being in the top twenty in Europe, salary-wise?
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Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
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There no really promising up and coming British managers that would fit the bill- does randy have any experience of European football?
Who put OGS in the frame for him last time - or was it another sir alex recommendation ?
I think we need to go down the line of a foreign coach possibly - regarding koeman- would he want the job ?
There are interesting names - koeman, rangnick, Bielsa .
All of whom would cost plenty of money. I think Villa do pay the managers pretty handsomely, though, don't they? Wasn;t there some thing about McLeish being in the top twenty in Europe, salary-wise?
Possibly - I think lambert has only one more season on his contract so at least wouldn't be as expensive to sack as some others.
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Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
Seems decent but I doubt he would come here .
One thing i find odd though is after a year he doesn't speak english still at his press conferences - most managers would have grasped the language by now.
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There no really promising up and coming British managers that would fit the bill- does randy have any experience of European football?
Who put OGS in the frame for him last time - or was it another sir alex recommendation ?
I think we need to go down the line of a foreign coach possibly - regarding koeman- would he want the job ?
There are interesting names - koeman, rangnick, Bielsa .
All of whom would cost plenty of money. I think Villa do pay the managers pretty handsomely, though, don't they? Wasn;t there some thing about McLeish being in the top twenty in Europe, salary-wise?
Possibly - I think lambert has only one more season on his contract so at least wouldn't be as expensive to sack as some others.
He'll probably get a pay rise and a contract extension if we draw the next two games.
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I'm not sure anybody coming in could do much with such a poor quality squad. They would need a good 5-6 decent quality players which in January would be hard enough and with a small budget even harder.
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I'm not sure anybody coming in could do much with such a poor quality squad. They would need a good 5-6 decent quality players which in January would be hard enough and with a small budget even harder.
Sadly I think whoever came in would need to start another rebuilding job because far too many of this squad are not good enough.
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Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
Have to agree with this, where does it state that we need a premiership experienced manager.
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Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
Why would Pochettino leave an ambitious, growing club with top drawer young players and genuine goalscorers to manage Villa at the moment?
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I'd stick with Lambert. I think he deserves the chance having done the hard part of getting the wage bill down to a level where we can spend again.
However, the fact Bielsa is out of work makes it a no brainer for me. If Lambert goes he should be the man. Every football anorak in the country would be visiting villa park to see his mad ways, not to mention he might get us pressing and playing again. Ideally a villa man as his #2, e.g. Laursen (if he has aspirations to go into football coaching).
AVB = second choice. I think there's a good manager in there (with a more people friendly #2) and maybe away from the London media. Boring football though.
Koeman - Don't know too much about his style but is of the right profile and a good suggestion. I'd suggest that Koeman would be more inclined to join in the summer rather than mid-season.
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Quote from: mr woo on Today at 10:38:36 AM
Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
Why would Pochettino leave an ambitious, growing club with top drawer young players and genuine goalscorers to manage Villa at the moment?
Because we are aston villa football club and we deserve the best
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I know he tends to splash the cash around like the stuff grows in trees, but at QPR this season he seems to be cutting his cloth to suit the circumstances a little more. And their squad looks better than ours.
Everyone, rightly, went mad when we appointed a manager with two relegations on his CV, you want to appoint a bloke with three?
Redknapp's a dinosaur, a vile human being and, quite possibly, a crook. He should be filed next to Hoddle on the "Fuck Right Off" list.
That is a McNeill Mark II appointment. Car crash. Avoid.
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Quote from: mr woo on Today at 10:38:36 AM
Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
Why would Pochettino leave an ambitious, growing club with top drawer young players and genuine goalscorers to manage Villa at the moment?
Because we are aston villa football club and we deserve the best
That doesn't answer the question as to why Pochettino would leave Southampton for us. We aren't the Aston Villa football club I've grown up with. Lerner's financial policy is running us into the ground and the threat of relegation is very very real.
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Some have said we could do worse than follow Southamptons lead and appoint a promising foreign coach.
Based on what I've seen of them since he took over, I wouldn't be against going one step further and poaching the man himself.
Why would Pochettino leave an ambitious, growing club with top drawer young players and genuine goalscorers to manage Villa at the moment?
Maybe not pochettino but someone similar stance, a good young up and coming FOREIGN manager, still for me it's OGS
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I know he tends to splash the cash around like the stuff grows in trees, but at QPR this season he seems to be cutting his cloth to suit the circumstances a little more. And their squad looks better than ours.
Everyone, rightly, went mad when we appointed a manager with two relegations on his CV, you want to appoint a bloke with three?
Redknapp's a dinosaur, a vile human being and, quite possibly, a crook. He should be filed next to Hoddle on the "Fuck Right Off" list.
What makes you think Rednapp's 'a vile human being'. Do you know him personally?
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I know he tends to splash the cash around like the stuff grows in trees, but at QPR this season he seems to be cutting his cloth to suit the circumstances a little more. And their squad looks better than ours.
Everyone, rightly, went mad when we appointed a manager with two relegations on his CV, you want to appoint a bloke with three?
Redknapp's a dinosaur, a vile human being and, quite possibly, a crook. He should be filed next to Hoddle on the "Fuck Right Off" list.
What makes you think Rednapp's 'a vile human being'. Do you know him personally?
Probably not. But the media persona he has created is not a nice bloke. Add in the court cases and the way he operates transfers and I do not think it is a huge leap to think that he's of less than perfect character.
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Marcelo Bielsa or Ronald Koeman would by preferred two front runners. These two would bring imagination,excitement and forward thinking to Villa Park.
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I know he tends to splash the cash around like the stuff grows in trees, but at QPR this season he seems to be cutting his cloth to suit the circumstances a little more. And their squad looks better than ours.
Everyone, rightly, went mad when we appointed a manager with two relegations on his CV, you want to appoint a bloke with three?
Redknapp's a dinosaur, a vile human being and, quite possibly, a crook. He should be filed next to Hoddle on the "Fuck Right Off" list.
What makes you think Rednapp's 'a vile human being'. Do you know him personally?
I don't know any managers personally. His post-match interviews, general manner and attitude and the various allegations about him make me think he may not be very nice. Plus he's already slagged off Villa fans for having the temerity to swear at games.
He's also a media whore who will spend all of transfer deadline day leaning out of a car window but will then throw his toys out of the pram if someone dares to call him "a wheeler-dealer". He's a bell-end.
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Marcelo Bielsa or Ronald Koeman would by preferred two front runners. These two would bring imagination,excitement and forward thinking to Villa Park.
If they were available and keen then it'd be goodbye Lambert from me. Especially Bielsa.
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Co-erce fergie out of retirement for six months. Give time to draw up a plan b.
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Marcelo Bielsa or Ronald Koeman would by preferred two front runners. These two would bring imagination,excitement and forward thinking to Villa Park.
If they were available and keen then it'd be goodbye Lambert from me. Especially Bielsa.
Same. Koeman was heavily linked with the job, post Houllier as far as I can recall. Think his agent through his hat in the ring. Beisla, did a magnificent job at Bilbao. Especially when you consider that you can only buy players from the Basque region. I'd like to think both would come.
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As Randy(and I have seriously forgotten what he looks like) has no intention(as far as we know) of getting rid of this Scottish manager this thread seems a bit pointless. But miracles do happen and this is why we shouldnt employ.
1. Hoddle. Some of you seem to forget the mess he made at Wolves. Didnt want to communicate with either the fans or the media or the players apart from matchdays and his occasional appearances at Compton. As a player very good but as a manager not suited to the job.
2. Rednapp. Can spot a player, of that there is no doubt. But would come with so much baggage the Easyjet from Bournemouth would stay rooted to the ground in protest. In any case Arry has no intention of moving from the south coast where he is happily situated. We would of course be on Sky every day and in our present predicament miss the goals his wife Sandra would tuck away...but no!
3. Vilas Boas. Schoolmaster type, players didnt like him so reports suggest. Poor track record in this country..nice name though!
Who we should employ.
1. Malky Mackay. Has carried himself well in his dealings at the club. Has dignity in the face of naffness from the owner. And has done a very good job..Hang on a minute though! Isnt he a Scottish person?....Oh dear, thats him crossed off the list then.
2. OGS The baby faced assassin. Popular with some, an improvement on what we currently have. But I would go for
3 Steve Clarke. Badly treated by the Baggies but extremely well thought of in the game by players and club staff alike. Would work to a tight budget but fell down badly with Anelka. Mind you he is Scottish...blast!
4. A Foreign Manager. The last three have been foreign it doesnt work!
But I expect we shall be stuck with TSM2 until Randy decides to sell the club....to the Bhatti brothers!
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Hoddle ? Seriously ?
If he was to become Villa manager i would lock my shirts in the wardrobe and refuse to watch another game until he had gone.
Anybody who sees this bloke as manager would do well to have a word with Wolves fans and players at the time who had to suffer his non stop ego trips.
No thanks.
Koeman would be a dream, as would Bielsa, but there is as much chance of them coming to B6 as there is of a stalk delivering a real life baby.
At the moment we are not an attractive option for any manager.
OGS would just get bullied by those higher up, Hoddle, no thanks, never, never, ego to big for the whole of Birmingham.
We are in the shite, we know this. Lambert will have to do something really extraordinary to get sacked. Even relegation would not get him sacked.
He is following his orders to the letter, why would he be sacked.?
It's not about entertaining fans, it's simply about the Premier League cash.
We do not matter anymore. Just keep buying the merchandise, buying your match tickets, turn up and spend cash on shit food and drink, sit down and do as you are told, standing is dangerous you know, god forbid we get any atmosphere inside the ground.
What a load of old shite, from top to bottom.
Piss of Lerner. You ruined the Cleveland Browns, you are doing the same to us.
Get out.
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3 Steve Clarke. Badly treated by the Baggies but extremely well thought of in the game by players and club staff alike. Would work to a tight budget but fell down badly with Anelka.
Steve Clarke is essentially a coach. It's noticeable that the quality and diversity of WBA's signings decreased when their DoF buggered off to England. Villa do not currently have a DoF structure so whilst a good coach I'm not sure he's suited to the current Villa Structure.
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3 Steve Clarke. Badly treated by the Baggies but extremely well thought of in the game by players and club staff alike. Would work to a tight budget but fell down badly with Anelka.
Steve Clarke is essentially a coach. It's noticeable that the quality and diversity of WBA's signings decreased when their DoF buggered off to England. Villa do not currently have a DoF structure so whilst a good coach I'm not sure he's suited to the current Villa Structure.
Yes that is true and something I hadnt considered. Perhaps we need a DOF. Perhaps Gerard Houllier would consider it?
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Hoddle ? Seriously ?
If he was to become Villa manager i would lock my shirts in the wardrobe and refuse to watch another game until he had gone.
Anybody who sees this bloke as manager would do well to have a word with Wolves fans and players at the time who had to suffer his non stop ego trips.
No thanks.
Koeman would be a dream, as would Bielsa, but there is as much chance of them coming to B6 as there is of a stalk delivering a real life baby.
At the moment we are not an attractive option for any manager.
OGS would just get bullied by those higher up, Hoddle, no thanks, never, never, ego to big for the whole of Birmingham.
We are in the shite, we know this. Lambert will have to do something really extraordinary to get sacked. Even relegation would not get him sacked.
He is following his orders to the letter, why would he be sacked.?
It's not about entertaining fans, it's simply about the Premier League cash.
We do not matter anymore. Just keep buying the merchandise, buying your match tickets, turn up and spend cash on shit food and drink, sit down and do as you are told, standing is dangerous you know, god forbid we get any atmosphere inside the ground.
What a load of old shite, from top to bottom.
Piss of Lerner. You ruined the Cleveland Browns, you are doing the same to us.
Get out.
Koeman fancied it three years ago: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1304062/Ronald-Koeman-tells-Aston-Villa-I-want-boss.html
He's currently at Feyenoord. I think he'd still jump at the job.
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I just logged on and saw the Lambert Out thread had been locked and this one still going and thought blimey, he's gone. Only he hasn't >:(
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Hoddle
raring to go - gagging for a job - Villa be great name for him and possible to get
12 month contract - sort this mess out and then we will talk again .
good bloody coach , which we havent got now ,
yes there is so many others I would want , but they are not going to come Villa
Neville talks alot of sense . He can bring Beckham as well ;)
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Hoddle ? Seriously ?
If he was to become Villa manager i would lock my shirts in the wardrobe and refuse to watch another game until he had gone.
Anybody who sees this bloke as manager would do well to have a word with Wolves fans and players at the time who had to suffer his non stop ego trips.
No thanks.
Koeman would be a dream, as would Bielsa, but there is as much chance of them coming to B6 as there is of a stalk delivering a real life baby.
At the moment we are not an attractive option for any manager.
OGS would just get bullied by those higher up, Hoddle, no thanks, never, never, ego to big for the whole of Birmingham.
We are in the shite, we know this. Lambert will have to do something really extraordinary to get sacked. Even relegation would not get him sacked.
He is following his orders to the letter, why would he be sacked.?
It's not about entertaining fans, it's simply about the Premier League cash.
We do not matter anymore. Just keep buying the merchandise, buying your match tickets, turn up and spend cash on shit food and drink, sit down and do as you are told, standing is dangerous you know, god forbid we get any atmosphere inside the ground.
What a load of old shite, from top to bottom.
Piss of Lerner. You ruined the Cleveland Browns, you are doing the same to us.
Get out.
Good post. Agree with it all except for us no being an attractive proposition. We can all agree that we've been by and large shit for 4 years now and to the youngsters we are turning into a nothing club, a fixture that the big 6 come along and glean some goals from. But to the up and coming managers in their late 30's and early 40's they will remember the good times we've had, when we were important and in their heads they hold us still in esteem.
Look at how even Carragher and Neville talk about the Villa. Anyone with any experience in football during the last 25 years will not look down on us. I still firmly believe that a manager can make a name for himself at this club and go down in our history and move on to even bigger things.
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3 Steve Clarke. Badly treated by the Baggies but extremely well thought of in the game by players and club staff alike. Would work to a tight budget but fell down badly with Anelka.
Steve Clarke is essentially a coach. It's noticeable that the quality and diversity of WBA's signings decreased when their DoF buggered off to England. Villa do not currently have a DoF structure so whilst a good coach I'm not sure he's suited to the current Villa Structure.
Agree - we have no-one in a senior position who could be a go to person for him. I like him but not what we need currently.
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Hoddle
raring to go - gagging for a job - Villa be great name for him and possible to get
12 month contract - sort this mess out and then we will talk again .
good bloody coach , which we havent got now ,
Hoddle is a ******.
Massive ego. Fucked up the Wolves. Has weird beliefs about disabled people. Didn't exactly do a great job at his beloved Spurs. Is a shit man manager. Massive no for me.
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Bowery as player-manager.
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Not sure tbh. Would you want to risk losing the natural skill of our best forward by burdening him with management?
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I think he would flourish, the extra pressure will only enhance his already incredible talent.
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I cant believe people are saying Hoddle,
attractive football my arse,
don't you remember him as a manager, defensive, negative, his England teams were just as boring and that's when we had a few decent players,
I was quite glad when he got the sack, I don't think it was just because he said daft things either, he was taking England nowhere his greatest achievement was a 0-0 against Italy to qualify which says it all about him
I'd take Lambert over Hoddle every time
Lamberts lost the plot at the moment I don't know whether he will find it again,
but the way his team is playing now isn't the way they were playing in the second half of last year,
I remember his first game down at West Ham we passed the ball especially in the first half, overpassed it if truth be told, I don't know why that template has changed, I don't like it and cant explain it either,
our performances were better last year, I really thought we were trying to play decent stuff but not getting the results, that's why I stuck with him, I don't know whats happening now, I don't know where we are going but I'm sure the answer is not fucking Glen Hoddle
is Hoddle the new Allardyce
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Well, maybe. I can imagine his first team-sheet.
"Playing today will be: BOWERY.
That completes the team-sheet."
We'd win eight-nil.
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Hoddle till the summer then OGS, unless we can get OGS now.
Don't think either could do any worse than Lambert. He's completely and utterly clueless. Jol is a big no way. He's also tactically inept and he'd struggle with such a poor bunch of players. It's not like what he inherited at Spurs, and eventually his tactical incompetence became telling there.
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We have a good relationship with a children's hospice. Does that tie in with appointing a bloke who thinks disabled people deserve their illnesses?
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Can I just say what a crap poll. Why are the 3 names even mentioned, maybe OGS because of our little ditty with him last summer but Clarke and Jol? They can be filed in the Fat Sam and Hoddle category.
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I hate the Internet.
There are some ridiculous suggestions on here, including 'anyone'. Get a fucking grip of yourselves.
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Why is the Lambert Out thread closed?
Lambert Out!!!
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Mean
I hate the Internet.
There are some ridiculous suggestions on here, including 'anyone'. Get a fucking grip of yourselves.
are you happy for us to continue with TSM2 Drummond?
The "we go again" mantra is wearing a tad thin for me now - I really fear for the club right now - we do appear rudderless in an approaching storm - methinks Captain Lerner and able seaman Lambert are a little bit green about the gills and it may be time for them to abandon ship - cue a rich salvage operator :)
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We have a good relationship with a children's hospice. Does that tie in with appointing a bloke who thinks disabled people deserve their illnesses?
Exactly. Hoddle is a massive twat.
As for who I want to be our next manager, I'd like Bielsa. I think he'd take it too.
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I'd like Bielsa. I think he'd take it too.
Why do you think that?
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MeanI hate the Internet.
There are some ridiculous suggestions on here, including 'anyone'. Get a fucking grip of yourselves.
are you happy for us to continue with TSM2 Drummond?
The "we go again" mantra is wearing a tad thin for me now - I really fear for the club right now - we do appear rudderless in an approaching storm - methinks Captain Lerner and able seaman Lambert are a little bit green about the gills and it may be time for them to abandon ship - cue a rich savage operator :)
Vincent Tann savage enough for you ? :)
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Hoddle
raring to go - gagging for a job - Villa be great name for him and possible to get
12 month contract - sort this mess out and then we will talk again .
good bloody coach , which we havent got now ,
Hoddle is a c***.
Massive ego. Fucked up the Wolves. Has weird beliefs about disabled people. Didn't exactly do a great job at his beloved Spurs. Is a shit man manager. Massive no for me.
Dont know the bloke at all , but understand your feelings . Trying to think of a manager we could get , we re Aston Villa but its getting a struggle now to get a decent one in .
Be great if we can find that Soton type manager some where
Diego Pablo Simeone then ;)
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I'd like Bielsa. I think he'd take it too.
Why do you think that?
He was apparently interested in the Ireland job and has also said he's not motivated by the money, which would appeal to Lerner. It's worth a shot.
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Glenn Hoddle talks a good game (but so does Graeme Souness) but what has he ever done as a manager to suggest he can be a good one ?
He's always struck me as one of those blokes that would get frustrated if a player couldn't do what he could. And that's no good as a manager. The hardest job is getting those players that aren't quite as gifted to raise their game and believe they can be as vital part of the team as the naturally gifted players
He's not the man to do that IMHO. And then we've got the whole Acorns debate and his well known 'views' on the subject.
Maybe we need to give Fergie a call and see if he fancies a Father & Son type deal with OGS. Fergie upstairs directing and OGS in the trenches. Yeah, fucking likely
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I wanted Lambert and look whats happened
I know nothing about managers
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Hoddle would be a disaster. OGS gets my vote.
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It is interesting that the one person nobody seems to want is Big Sam. Because nobody will convince me that he wouldn't get more out of our players than Lambert is getting at the moment. That is what he does. Gets results out of turning a sow's ear into a more organised sow's ear. And a sow's ear is what our squad is.
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I'd like Bielsa. I think he'd take it too.
Why do you think that?
He's out of work is probably the biggest reason, whereas his wiki suggests he has always worked previously.
I was in the Basque region when Bilbao reported back to training and he was having an almighty spat with the club because the training ground was not ready. He stormed off and caused all sorts of nuisance. I'd imagine this contributed to him not having his contract renewed at the beginning of this year.
You cannot fault his commitment to management but he is VERY demanding. He'd either drag the club up by the scruff of it's neck or it'd end in absolute disaster.
Personally I'd love him and another younger man to come in. Bielsa could slowly become a director of football ensuring that his footballing philosophy is employed at all levels of the club. The younger guy - Laursen? - taking in the day to day duties. The tricky bit would be finding a man who would comply wit Bielsa's madness.
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We can't keep changing managers every 2 years or we will spend the rest of our lives 'in transition'. This is a misnomer anyway, transition suggests you are getting somewhere.
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I'd like Bielsa. I think he'd take it too.
Why do you think that?
He's out of work is probably the biggest reason, whereas his wiki suggests he has always worked previously.
I was in the Basque region when Bilbao reported back to training and he was having an almighty spat with the club because the training ground was not ready. He stormed off and caused all sorts of nuisance. I'd imagine this contributed to him not having his contract renewed at the beginning of this year.
You cannot fault his commitment to management but he is VERY demanding. He'd either drag the club up by the scruff of it's neck or it'd end in absolute disaster.
Personally I'd love him and another younger man to come in. Bielsa could slowly become a director of football ensuring that his footballing philosophy is employed at all levels of the club. The younger guy - Laursen? - taking in the day to day duties. The tricky bit would be finding a man who would comply wit Bielsa's madness.
If sanity is what I've been watching at Villa Park since Lambert took over I will take madness.
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It is interesting that the one person nobody seems to want is Big Sam. Because nobody will convince me that he wouldn't get more out of our players than Lambert is getting at the moment. That is what he does. Gets results out of turning a sow's ear into a more organised sow's ear. And a sow's ear is what our squad is.
you do know that Big Sams West Ham are below us in the league and are in fact in the bottom three,
so whatever he's getting out of his squad down there after spending more than Lambert isn't what we want at VP
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It is interesting that the one person nobody seems to want is Big Sam. Because nobody will convince me that he wouldn't get more out of our players than Lambert is getting at the moment. That is what he does. Gets results out of turning a sow's ear into a more organised sow's ear. And a sow's ear is what our squad is.
you do know that Big Sams West Ham are below us in the league and are in fact in the bottom three,
so whatever he's getting out of his squad down there after spending more than Lambert isn't what we want at VP
He messed up by putting nearly all of his budget into signing Carroll who then got injured. He took a gamble which has so far backfired. He never took Bolton, Blackburn or Newcastle down, others did. He will keep West Ham up and would keep us up. I'm not saying I would be delighted to have him but he keeps teams up and anyone who thinks we are not right back into that scenario of just making sure we stay up is deluded at the moment.
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It is interesting that the one person nobody seems to want is Big Sam. Because nobody will convince me that he wouldn't get more out of our players than Lambert is getting at the moment. That is what he does. Gets results out of turning a sow's ear into a more organised sow's ear. And a sow's ear is what our squad is.
you do know that Big Sams West Ham are below us in the league and are in fact in the bottom three,
so whatever he's getting out of his squad down there after spending more than Lambert isn't what we want at VP
A lot of their fans want him out as well. He only really has a bit of backing for beating Spurs in the league & cup.
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Allardyce? Please, please no. Anyway, Lambert is going nowhere, so hold onto your hats and get ready for another relegation fight.
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They never wanted him. They wanted someone who plays the West Ham way. Like John Lyall, who won them two FA cups in twenty years but also got them relegated twice.
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McKay sacked
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It is interesting that the one person nobody seems to want is Big Sam. Because nobody will convince me that he wouldn't get more out of our players than Lambert is getting at the moment. That is what he does. Gets results out of turning a sow's ear into a more organised sow's ear. And a sow's ear is what our squad is.
you do know that Big Sams West Ham are below us in the league and are in fact in the bottom three,
so whatever he's getting out of his squad down there after spending more than Lambert isn't what we want at VP
He messed up by putting nearly all of his budget into signing Carroll who then got injured. He took a gamble which has so far backfired. He never took Bolton, Blackburn or Newcastle down, others did. He will keep West Ham up and would keep us up. I'm not saying I would be delighted to have him but he keeps teams up and anyone who thinks we are not right back into that scenario of just making sure we stay up is deluded at the moment.
fuck me mate, your arguing for bloke currently second from bottom of the league,
and excusing him because he spunked all his of money on Carroll,
we have a striker and two centre halfs not playing at the moment, they might not be world beaters but they would make a difference I'm sure, just as carroll would to WH
also Lambert kept us up last year, whats to say he wont this year if that's all you want Allardyce in for,
no I'm sorry the last bloke who wanted Allardyce in was exiled to a remote island for his own good
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McKay sacked
Cardiff manager?
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I wonder how the mediation talks between him, the owner and the middle man went?
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Badly if he has been sacked!!
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MeanI hate the Internet.
There are some ridiculous suggestions on here, including 'anyone'. Get a fucking grip of yourselves.
are you happy for us to continue with TSM2 Drummond?
The "we go again" mantra is wearing a tad thin for me now - I really fear for the club right now - we do appear rudderless in an approaching storm - methinks Captain Lerner and able seaman Lambert are a little bit green about the gills and it may be time for them to abandon ship - cue a rich savage operator :)
Vincent Tann savage enough for you ? :)
Fixed !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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McKay sacked
Cardiff manager?
not any more yes mackay
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Cardiff are after OGS apparently. If Lerner wanted him as first choice last time, lose to Swansea and it might just make him think it is worth going back to that plan as this one is not working at all.
IF we lost the next 2, I just don't see how a rational argument can stand up to keeping Lambert on. Very sad, but considering the games it would be impossible to carry on surely?
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When I heard of a premiership sacking I was filled with hope for a moment until hearing it was malky :(
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I wonder how the mediation talks between him, the owner and the middle man went?
I wish we had middle men , on the pitch I mean ;)
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Cardiff are after OGS apparently. If Lerner wanted him as first choice last time, lose to Swansea and it might just make him think it is worth going back to that plan as this one is not working at all.
IF we lost the next 2, I just don't see how a rational argument can stand up to keeping Lambert on. Very sad, but considering the games it would be impossible to carry on surely?
I thought that after bradford and millwall last season on the back of atrocious league form .
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I don't follow OGS 's career, but has he not done badly recently at Molde ?
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The owner had already met with OGS before sacking Mackay so he will be odds on favourite.
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I don't follow OGS 's career, but has he not done badly recently at Molde ?
Just won the cup after two league titles , missed out on the title this season though.
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I don't follow OGS 's career, but has he not done badly recently at Molde ?
Just won the cup after two league titles , missed out on the title this season though.
not that bad then, when you say missed out, is that just missed out like second or way down
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The owner had already met with OGS before sacking Mackay so he will be odds on favourite.
Must be pretty desperate to work over here then if he considers Cardiff viable - Tan will interfere constantly.
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I don't follow OGS 's career, but has he not done badly recently at Molde ?
Just won the cup after two league titles , missed out on the title this season though.
not that bad then, when you say missed out, is that just missed out like second or way down
Not just missed out - I think they were way off the pace title wise .
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I think he meant "salvage" operator. You know salvage as in rubbish, cast offs, detritus, wreckage. Why on earth would we need such a service.
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Solsjkaer's odds-on favourite for the Cardiff job. Although it's early days yet in that market. I don't want him so hope he goes to Wales.
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all the teams who look cert to go down , have all installed new managers and are picking up points , which is worrying .
Norwich , West ham and Villa to go at this rate
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all the teams who look cert to go down , have all installed new managers and are picking up points , which is worrying .
Norwich , West ham and Villa to go at this rate
I think big sam will be next to see the trigger pulled, although I hope randy will be pulling it tonight .
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There's no way the porn-mongers will stand by Allardyce for much longer if results don't improve.
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all the teams who look cert to go down , have all installed new managers and are picking up points , which is worrying .
Norwich , West ham and Villa to go at this rate
maybe those 3 teams could agree to exchange managers with each other to guarantee their safety ?
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all the teams who look cert to go down , have all installed new managers and are picking up points , which is worrying .
Norwich , West ham and Villa to go at this rate
I think big sam will be next to see the trigger pulled, although I hope randy will be pulling it tonight .
he might be pulling something but I doubt it will be the sacking trigger
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I think he meant "salvage" operator. You know salvage as in rubbish, cast offs, detritus, wreckage. Why on earth would we need such a service.
Thanks Brian - Now fixed - my bad (as the kids say these days)
Salvage the wreck, cut it up into pieces and sell as scrap - mind you we can`t sell our experienced players let alone the "young and hungry ones"
Are we destined to hit the rocks or run aground? - whatever the outcome I sense it will be a "Titanic event" for the club.
Where is the SS General Krulak when you need him?
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all the teams who look cert to go down , have all installed new managers and are picking up points , which is worrying .
Norwich , West ham and Villa to go at this rate
I think big sam will be next to see the trigger pulled, although I hope randy will be pulling it tonight .
he might be pulling something but I doubt it will be the sacking trigger
well I can see Big Sam first , then the Norwich one mid Jan.
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If we can get Bielsa we should do it. We need a revolution and even if we can't afford to buy a new team his training methods could see dramatic improvements. I don't think it's possible that we could be any more disjointed and low on confidence than we look right now anyway.
Give Lambert the Swansea game, another defeat and it's time to pull the plug.
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Just a thought - why not keep Lambert and add Mackay and Clarke as assistants - the post match interviews will be fun (hopefully with subtitles) - only kidding, fellow Scots kin folk !!!!
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all the teams who look cert to go down , have all installed new managers and are picking up points , which is worrying .
Norwich , West ham and Villa to go at this rate
I think big sam will be next to see the trigger pulled, although I hope randy will be pulling it tonight .
he might be pulling something but I doubt it will be the sacking trigger
well I can see Big Sam first , then the Norwich one mid Jan.
You think he will be pulling big sam 1st ?
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We could do far worse than Malky Mackay even if he is Scottish. Randy (or Faulkner) needs to make a decision quickly and order a taxi for Mr Lambert.
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Since the mediation they have lost twice badly though. So understandable. If Tan wants a new man, before January is the time to do it.
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We could do far worse than Malky Mackay even if he is Scottish. Randy (or Faulkner) needs to make a decision quickly and order a taxi for Mr Lambert.
Would be a good fit for Norwich or west ham - ex player of both and would be popular choice.
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I fail to see how Mackay would be any different to what we have got.
Another rookie manager, who did well to get his team promoted but has no track record of doing well in the top division.
If we were in the market for a new manager, I would hope for someone with experience at the top level (in whatever league) rather than another rookie who may or may not turn out to be a good un.
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I fail to see how Mackay would be any different to what we have got.
Another rookie manager, who did well to get his team promoted but has no track record of doing well in the top division.
If we were in the market for a new manager, I would hope for someone with experience at the top level (in whatever league) rather than another rookie who may or may not turn out to be a good un.
Sven
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Allardyce? Sven? Gary Neville? Mike Phelan? There's even been a shout for Lampard as player-manager!
This thread is mental.
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Solsjkaer's odds-on favourite for the Cardiff job. Although it's early days yet in that market. I don't want him so hope he goes to Wales.
If they start to play really good football under him I think my sadness will reach record levels.
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Yilmaz vural - his agent in Turkey seems to think he is nailed on for the Cardiff job.
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Steve Clarke ,Malkay McKay when he's sacked ,ANYBODY !!
No more Scottish managers!
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Steve Clarke ,Malkay McKay when he's sacked ,ANYBODY !!
No more Scottish managers!
Docherty, McNeill, Mcleish, Lambert - not the most successful record for us over the last 50 years those scots are they :(
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Steve Clarke ,Malkay McKay when he's sacked ,ANYBODY !!
No more Scottish managers!
Docherty, McNeill, Mcleish, Lambert - not the most successful record for us over the last 50 years those scots are they :(
Having said that, the club was sort of, you know, invented and established by Scots, so that's not too bad a contribution.
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Yilmaz vural - his agent in Turkey seems to think he is nailed on for the Cardiff job.
It's trending on twitter that Tick Tock Tan wants Viral Herpes from Hamburg Horz for the gig.
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I haven't a clue who we should go for. My biggest concern at thinking Lambert should go is the fear of what kind of appointment Lerner and Faulkner might come up with instead. Although it looks bad now, there really are plenty of options who would actually be worse than Lambert. Hoddle is one of them - talks a good game, but been out of the PL for years and was utter cack when last in it with Spurs, and especially Wolves.
One would hope that the Mcleish abomination was a one-off from which they will have learned. To be fair, Lambert looked to be in a similar category of up and coming managers as Rodgers and Martinez when appointed, and not many argued too strongly against his appointment.
I'd like to think the owners have the next Laudrup, Pochettino or Martinez (perhaps OGS?)somewhere on their radar, but with an ultra tight budget as a constraint, would anyone of that ilk want to risk their reputations? I suspect the radar isn't even on since the owner, who doesn't have to suffer actually watching the games, probably thinks being outside the relegation zone and not spending much money is a sign that Lambert is doing the job he was asked to do.
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Steve Clarke ,Malkay McKay when he's sacked ,ANYBODY !!
No more Scottish managers!
Would you be angry if we signed Lionel Messi on the grounds that Gustavo Bartelt was shite?
If the best available manager was Scottish then he should be appointed. If Lambert goes, that is.
That said, I'm far from convinced that Clarke or MacKay would be the best choice. No current British Isles manager that we could realistically get excites me.
Send for René Girard. He's my pick.
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We are in no position to experiment with unproven/foreign coaches who by no means, are guaranteed to be a success in England, Villa are teetering on the brink right now, one wrong appointment would see us go over it, an Allardyce/Hoddle figure could be just what we need right now, Hoddle only lost the England job through political correctness, the national sides performances under him were actually encouraging, Big Sam is as close as you can get to a Dead Cert to re-organize a failing side, which is exactly what we are right now, We sure as hell wouldn`t look so short of ideas from Corners etc, which, in my opinion, is one of Lamberts biggest failings, what exactly Do we do on the training pitch?.
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Why is 'foreign' such a big risk? Why would hiring a working manager who is involved in the modern game be more of a risk than jobless Hoddle just because the he's 'foreign'?
Also. Why would we sack someone for failing to implement compelling, up-to-date football only to appoint Sam Allardyce? That's messed up.
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Lambert's biggest failing is his totally inept tactics and stubborn reluctance to sign anyone over 25 who may bring some experience and guide the team. Other than that, he's doing just fine.
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Fergie.
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I think the Black Eyed Peas are touring
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We are in no position to experiment with unproven/foreign coaches who by no means, are guaranteed to be a success in England, Villa are teetering on the brink right now, one wrong appointment would see us go over it, an Allardyce/Hoddle figure could be just what we need right now, Hoddle only lost the England job through political correctness, the national sides performances under him were actually encouraging, Big Sam is as close as you can get to a Dead Cert to re-organize a failing side, which is exactly what we are right now, We sure as hell wouldn`t look so short of ideas from Corners etc, which, in my opinion, is one of Lamberts biggest failings, what exactly Do we do on the training pitch?.
Appointing a bloke who has only had real success at Swindon Town, twenty years ago, is far more of a gamble than appointing a top-quality foreign manager.
We saw from Graham Taylor's second reign the dangers of appointing someone out of touch with modern football. Newcastle failed when they re-appointed Keegan and Everton blundered in their re-hiring Kendall. All of those were far better managers than Hoddle ever was. Added to the bonus that none of them hate disabled people.
As for Allardyce, no thanks. Even if he did alright it would be at the expense of ever looking forward to a match ever again due to the tedious football he'd get us playing.
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Bielsa for me, plenty of experience, wider knowledge of the foreign market and plays the game the right way.
Not sure we'd pay the sort of wages he's been on previously though.
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we should have Tito Vilanova
thats the perfect surname for us ;)
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
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I'd give BFR a youth potion (and a don't say racist shite potion)... At least the football would be more entertaining than the boring bilge we're suffering at the moment !!!
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we will win 6-1 tomorrow and every thing we be forgotten for 3 mths :/
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we will win 6-1 tomorrow and every thing we be forgotten for 3 mths :/
I hope so. I really want Lambert to succeed.
Unfortunately we'll be passed off the park and succumb to a miserable 3-0 loss.
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
We can't afford those gnashers , if its a good set of teeth you are after look further than Owen coyle and his ill fitting falsies ;)
On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
If we get either Bielsa or Klopp, I will eat my own head.
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Philip Cocu is a realistic shout I think. De Boer seems to be holding out for a club with plenty of money. Cocu has had a decent apprenticeship as an assistant manager and fits the profile I think we will be looking for.
Bielsa would be the ideal signing but can't see it happening
The mind boggles at how Glenn Hoddle is getting linked with jobs. The Villa job would be too much for the likes of Clarke and McKay. Redknapp is a good manager but not the type of character you want associated with the club. Pascal Chimbonda on loan would be his first signing.
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Someone that doesn't set us up like Lambert does would please me - he's tactically clueless.
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Bowery for player manager. He is just that good.
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I don't know anything about Cocu in management but he's got the credentials from PSV and Barcelona, so presumably his football would be up to date. However, he's less than a season into his first proper job and he's not doing too well in Eindhoven so far this season, but who knows.
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Was only 2 weeks ago Yorkie wanted it.
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Was only 2 weeks ago Yorkie wanted it.
Shush - someone might tell Randy :(
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Bowery for player manager. He is just that good.
With KEA as his Nr. 2
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
We can't afford those gnashers , if its a good set of teeth you are after look further than Owen coyle and his ill fitting falsies ;)
On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Re Bielsa: In my opinion we're a similar if not more attractive option than Atheltic Bilbao. Plus he seems to be willing to get right into a job if, as reported, he was interested in the Ireland job - we're a much bigger job than Ireland. The only problem is that I don't think Lerner has the balls to hire such a controversial and mental character. Lerner's track record shows he places "Premier League experience" above all else which is extremely conservative. Unfortunately 'conservative' seems to be exactly what Lerner wants. Somebody who will get us finishing in the bottom half season after season and keep the budget low while Lerner rakes in the profit.
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I don't know anything about Cocu in management but he's got the credentials from PSV and Barcelona, so presumably his football would be up to date. However, he's less than a season into his first proper job and he's not doing too well in Eindhoven so far this season, but who knows.
Cocu (and De Boer) were assistants to Van Marjiwk (sic) for the Dutch national side for a few years too.
A completely left field appointment would be someone like Gary Neville. Little enough experience but if his analysis is anything to go by knows his onions too. Always speaks well of the Villa and I think has the personality to thrive at a big club. Particularly if he brought a decent back room with him.
Lambert with his experience seemed the perfect fit for us and him. But the job has proven too much and he has made an awful mess of it. I'm not sorry for him though, he is paid to deliver results and has failed miserably.
To be honest having witnessed the last 2 utter clowns of assistant managers we have had, serious consideration needs to be given to who the new manager will bring with him.
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On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Eastie, I'm sure that in the last week you've made a post saying that you take no interest in foreign football apart from watching Barcelona play Real Madrid.
What exactly is leading you to the above point of view?
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On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Eastie, I'm sure that in the last week you've made a post saying that you take no interest in foreign football apart from watching Barcelona play Real Madrid.
What exactly is leading you to the above point of view?
His record as a manager with Argentina and Chile at international level and the style of football for one , i didn't see a lot of Bilbao during his reign but he got them to a couple of finals including the Europa cup -and he is currently unemployed I believe.
Having expressed an interest in the Irish job then maybe its worth asking would the premiership interest him - of the names bandied about he has experience and a decent track record which is more than some .
You obviously have watched his teams more than me as I know you take more interest in the foreign game - do you think he would do a job ?
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Bielsa's great. Just the sight of him on the VP touchline, in his tracksuit, crouching to about knee-level and staring unblinkingly at the pitch with his big mug of espresso in his hand (yes, really, espresso in a big mug) would be fantastic in any given situation. But this isn't a serious suggestion, we're not there yet and would he want it and who knows and blah blah, but it is a nice thought.
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I wouldn't mind Bielsa as he seems a bit mad. Which is a bonus. Plus this from Wiki has for some reason amused me.
A fanatic of football videos that he adds to his collection, Bielsa on occasion checks pitch measurements by pacing them out before deciding on a particular formation. He allocates separate training times for different parts of his squad. Former Argentine national team captain Roberto Ayala and defender under Bielsa stated "Sometimes we wouldn't see any of the strikers, because he'd have them training at a different time, and it was the same with the midfielders."[2]
He is known for watching and collecting numerous football videos to the point of obsession. He edits and analyzes each video for each individual player. He also utilizes statistical software and other technological tools to prepare for games. John Carlin, an English journalist, has stated that Bielsa "has the most cultured library of soccer in the world." [26]
Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius." [27] Barcelona's Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" in 2012.[28]
As Bielsa refuses to grant exclusive interviews, the press conference has become his preferred method of communication. He has been known to field every last question from the assembled media during these gatherings. If the talk turns to the intricacies of the game, a three- or even four-hour press conference is possible. According to him: Every section of the media should get the same attention from me, from the capital's most prominent TV channel to the smallest newspaper in the provinces.[2]
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Bielsa's great. Just the sight of him on the VP touchline, in his tracksuit, crouching to about knee-level and staring unblinkingly at the pitch with his big mug of espresso in his hand (yes, really, espresso in a big mug) would be fantastic in any given situation. But this isn't a serious suggestion, we're not there yet and would he want it and who knows and blah blah, but it is a nice thought.
He took on Bilbao who were possibly of a similar size to us in Spain - there were much bigger clubs there but he seemed to relish the challenge - the premiership is regarded by some as the the top league in Europe - maybe he fancies the challenge as have many other foreign coaches.
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
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Lambert can't even sort out a decent set piece routine though, nevermind the club. We need a presence to get this tugboat moving properly in the right direction.
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
We can't afford those gnashers , if its a good set of teeth you are after look further than Owen coyle and his ill fitting falsies ;)
On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Re Bielsa: In my opinion we're a similar if not more attractive option than Atheltic Bilbao. Plus he seems to be willing to get right into a job if, as reported, he was interested in the Ireland job - we're a much bigger job than Ireland. The only problem is that I don't think Lerner has the balls to hire such a controversial and mental character. Lerner's track record shows he places "Premier League experience" above all else which is extremely conservative. Unfortunately 'conservative' seems to be exactly what Lerner wants. Somebody who will get us finishing in the bottom half season after season and keep the budget low while Lerner rakes in the profit.
Agree. Bielsa would do my head in as to just how awesome it would be. One of the most influential managers of all time? Yes fucking please.
Of course he is batshit crazy and is getting on a bit so we might end up with a more mental version of Houllier without the Liverpool underwear.
I could live with that.
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AVB would struggle badly. Not a chance he would be any better.
There is every chance actually. He is a far superior manager.
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On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Eastie, I'm sure that in the last week you've made a post saying that you take no interest in foreign football apart from watching Barcelona play Real Madrid.
What exactly is leading you to the above point of view?
His record as a manager with Argentina and Chile at international level...
He managed Argentina at one World Cup and they were knocked out in the first round. I think that's their worst performance in about forty years.
So you deciding he's 'by far and away the best suggestion' is based on abject failure ten years ago and a second round exit with a group of hugely talented Chile players four years ago?
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On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Eastie, I'm sure that in the last week you've made a post saying that you take no interest in foreign football apart from watching Barcelona play Real Madrid.
What exactly is leading you to the above point of view?
His record as a manager with Argentina and Chile at international level...
He managed Argentina at one World Cup and they were knocked out in the first round. I think that's their worst performance in about forty years.
So you deciding he's 'by far and away the best suggestion' is based on abject failure ten years ago and a second round exit with a group of hugely talented Chile players four years ago?
Plus a fantastic spell at Bilbao where he knocked out United in their run to the Europa League final.
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On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Eastie, I'm sure that in the last week you've made a post saying that you take no interest in foreign football apart from watching Barcelona play Real Madrid.
What exactly is leading you to the above point of view?
His record as a manager with Argentina and Chile at international level...
He managed Argentina at one World Cup and they were knocked out in the first round. I think that's their worst performance in about forty years.
So you deciding he's 'by far and away the best suggestion' is based on abject failure ten years ago and a second round exit with a group of hugely talented Chile players four years ago?
He stayed 6 years at the helm and had successes during his reign there too - hardly a flop.
Compared to suggestions like malky mackay , Steve Clarke , Harry redknapp etc - what names suggested so far would you consider the best option ?
I note you didn't quote my remarks about his success with Bilbao in getting to major finals including the Europa cup .
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On a serious note Bielsa is far and away the best suggestion I've seen so far followed by koeman - but would either take it?
Eastie, I'm sure that in the last week you've made a post saying that you take no interest in foreign football apart from watching Barcelona play Real Madrid.
What exactly is leading you to the above point of view?
His record as a manager with Argentina and Chile at international level...
He managed Argentina at one World Cup and they were knocked out in the first round. I think that's their worst performance in about forty years.
So you deciding he's 'by far and away the best suggestion' is based on abject failure ten years ago and a second round exit with a group of hugely talented Chile players four years ago?
Plus a fantastic spell at Bilbao where he knocked out United in their run to the Europa League final.
Eastie's already said that he didn't see any of Bilbao when he was in charge. They're not Real Madrid or Barcelona, y'see.
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To be fair, going out to a Brazil side which could have been built specifically to beat you with all the resources at their disposal is not a great shame. Also, Chile have a few fantastic players but actually a lot of not-so-brilliant players make up most of the squad, and Bielsa made them look better than they ever should have as a team.
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I'd be breaking the bank for a decent foreign coach if we could. Tempt Hiddink for the rest of the season.
Failing that I'd take the punt on OGS. I think he's got the makings of being a very astute coach. Unlike many of the former Fergie charges who've turned to management. OGS has a level head, intelligence and a steady ego which puts him above someone like Keane say, who just doesn't have the temperament or consideration to be a top manager.
It may be a little too soon for OGS but I'd certainly have him in the summer. My feeling is that he'll be in the Prem before the season is out, so we might have to move now. IMO he'd do no worse than Lambert, and tactically he'll have a lot more about him. He was well rated at Utd as a coach and he's done well at Molde. He's also an exceptional exponent of studying a game in process, as his prowess as a super-sub proved.
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To be accurate dave, I never said I'd never watched Bilbao during his reign - I said last week that the only European league game that I'd really watch these days is El Classico.
I watch champions league games and used to watch la liga often often on weekends but have lost interest to a degree and have other things to do with my time .
Now please tell me what suggestions on this thread are better than Bielsa?
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I don't think I've seen any suggestions on here today that have got me excited other than one's which we probably wouldn't have a chance of getting.
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Now please tell me what suggestions on this thread are better than Bielsa?
Firstly, I don't think we'll be looking for a new manager until June 2014 at the earlier. Even then I think Lambert will be given the chance to carry on for at least one more year.
On Bielsa, I'd be more than happy were he to be appointed, provided that there is a plan and a structure in place that leads to his appointment rather just picking somebody else for a set of arbitrary reasons. I'd say that is more important than who the manager is.
I brought it up as I was just interested to hear how somebody who says that they have no interest in football outside the UK can decide that a manager who has managed for 21 out of his 23 years in South American football is clearly the best candidate.
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Now please tell me what suggestions on this thread are better than Bielsa?
Firstly, I don't think we'll be looking for a new manager until June 2014 at the earlier. Even then I think Lambert will be given the chance to carry on for at least one more year.
On Bielsa, I'd be more than happy were he to be appointed, provided that there is a plan and a structure in place that leads to his appointment rather just picking somebody else for a set of arbitrary reasons. I'd say that is more important than who the manager is.
I brought it up as I was just interested to hear how somebody who says that they have no interest in football outside the UK can decide that a manager who has managed for 21 out of his 23 years in South American football is clearly the best candidate.
I no longer watch European league games on tv other than El Classico- doesn't mean I have no interest in any other football - I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal.
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjaer if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjaer last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
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The Gnasher. With Risso as 1st team coach. I reckon if we all played along Lerner wouldn't notice any difference.
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjær if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjær last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
On the basis of this, I claim SOLE RIGHTS over talking about a potential new manager as I AND I (nearly) ALONE was pretty much set against Lambert becoming manager. Bizarrely enough, everyone else has been disappointed by him and I might be the only one who's opinion of him really has improved - I think he wants us to play better football than I thought he would, and he has impressed me with his seriousness and general calmness in a crisis. However, I never did want him in the first place, but I don't like being proved right and I really hope I eventually get proved wronger than Nostradamus. Sincerely.
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The Gnasher. With Risso as 1st team coach. I think if we all played along Lerner wouldn't notice any difference.
Or Ranting Rob. He could give abuse to the fuckers behind the dugout and introduce porn pictures into the program.
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjær if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjær last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
Not quite sure why you are so bothered about my opinion but I have a much right to express it as you do .
Why you find it strange that I find Bielsa , an experienced and quality manager at club and international level a better bet than lambert or the other options on this thread?
You have said yourself you think Bielsa would do a good job so why can I not express that view - you have no idea what football I've watched in the past and seem to have picked up on a comment that I no longer watch other foreign league football on tv - so therefore I'm clueless as to who is or isn't a good manager?
Regarding lambert - we both wanted him at the time - it has not worked out as most of us hoped , I wanted o'Neill and O' Leary too at the time - I am a a football fan - fans get it wrong , chairmen get it wrong - thats life!
I'm just a fan expressing an opinion on a website - nothing more nothing less.
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The Gnasher. With Risso as 1st team coach. I think if we all played along Lerner wouldn't notice any difference.
Or Ranting Rob. He could give abuse to the fuckers behind the dugout and introduce porn pictures into the program.
It's all sorted then. How come Lerner and his lick-spittles make it all look so difficult?
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
Like who?
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
Like who?
Forfar athletic, Cowdenbeath and Stranraer. :)
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I'd be breaking the bank for a decent foreign coach if we could. Tempt Hiddink for the rest of the season.
Failing that I'd take the punt on OGS. I think he's got the makings of being a very astute coach. Unlike many of the former Fergie charges who've turned to management. OGS has a level head, intelligence and a steady ego which puts him above someone like Keane say, who just doesn't have the temperament or consideration to be a top manager.
It may be a little too soon for OGS but I'd certainly have him in the summer. My feeling is that he'll be in the Prem before the season is out, so we might have to move now. IMO he'd do no worse than Lambert, and tactically he'll have a lot more about him. He was well rated at Utd as a coach and he's done well at Molde. He's also an exceptional exponent of studying a game in process, as his prowess as a super-sub proved.
I always thought his prowess as a super sub was more indicative of coming on late against tired minds and legs,
in tandem with being supplied by the likes of Giggs Scholes and Beckham...
Its stretching credulity a little bit to suggest scoring late goals for the best attack in the country is proof of anything.
Other than of course being a good goal scorer. For instance Dzeko has scored a fair few late goals too.
I honestly don't know much about him or Molde, but if he could teach Luna to stop facing his own goalkeeper and then giving the ball away in stupid areas he'd probably get my vote.
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
Like who?
If we were to sack Lambert tomorrow I reckon the Baggies would be straight in for him for starters.
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
Like who?
If we were to sack Lambert tomorrow I reckon the Baggies would be straight in for him for starters.
Jackpot!
Would be like winning the lottery .
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
Like who?
If we were to sack Lambert tomorrow I reckon the Baggies would be straight in for him for starters.
What do you think Albion will have seen in Lambert?
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I'd prefer to see Lambert sort it out, as opposed to Lambert out.
Same here. There'll be plenty of clubs wanting Lambert should we be rash enough to get rid.
Like who?
If we were to sack Lambert tomorrow I reckon the Baggies would be straight in for him for starters.
Jackpot!
Would be like winning the lottery .
It would be interesting, I'll grant you that, Eastie.
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Its stretching credulity a little bit to suggest scoring late goals for the best attack in the country is proof of anything.
Other than of course being a good goal scorer. For instance Dzeko has scored a fair few late goals too.
I think the credibility comes from an alex ferguson quote. To paraphrase ferguson "he'd [OGS] sit on the bench telling me where the defence's weakness was encouraging me to put him on. Invariably he'd score in exactly the manner he described."
Fergie and most of the man u lot are massive fans of OGS tactical awareness. I think it was G Neville who said, when asked how do you pass the UEFA coaching badges, "sit by someone intelligent and copy them, in my case I sat by OGS"
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One might argue that West Bromwich Albion is Lambert's sort of level. Perhaps he'll be the type of manager who excels as smaller clubs?
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(In reply to aj2k77) What do you think Albion will have seen in Lambert?
A guy who can keep teams in the Premier League on a budget would be the main attraction I imagine. I think they will have noticed how he had his Norwich and Villa (towards the end of last season) sides playing too.
I know we are pretty awful at the moment but we're just about half way through the season with plenty of football left to play. If we stick with Lambert I reckon we will finish mid-table and build again for 2014-15.
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I wouldn't mind Bielsa as he seems a bit mad. Which is a bonus. Plus this from Wiki has for some reason amused me.
A fanatic of football videos that he adds to his collection, Bielsa on occasion checks pitch measurements by pacing them out before deciding on a particular formation. He allocates separate training times for different parts of his squad. Former Argentine national team captain Roberto Ayala and defender under Bielsa stated "Sometimes we wouldn't see any of the strikers, because he'd have them training at a different time, and it was the same with the midfielders."[2]
He is known for watching and collecting numerous football videos to the point of obsession. He edits and analyzes each video for each individual player. He also utilizes statistical software and other technological tools to prepare for games. John Carlin, an English journalist, has stated that Bielsa "has the most cultured library of soccer in the world." [26]
Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius." [27] Barcelona's Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" in 2012.[28]
As Bielsa refuses to grant exclusive interviews, the press conference has become his preferred method of communication. He has been known to field every last question from the assembled media during these gatherings. If the talk turns to the intricacies of the game, a three- or even four-hour press conference is possible. According to him: Every section of the media should get the same attention from me, from the capital's most prominent TV channel to the smallest newspaper in the provinces.[2]
But he doesnt speak English. Then again neither does Lambert. Looks like its Sven and Nancy then!
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One might argue that West Bromwich Albion is Lambert's sort of level. Perhaps he'll be the type of manager who excels as smaller clubs?
It's a possibility. What he's trying to do at Villa is a huge challenge for him, that's for certain. Thinking back to last season I was very impressed with the way he stuck to his guns and kept faith with his team - even in the January transfer window - when every other club in the relegation scrap was panicking. At the time I thought, "Yes, this guy has the mental toughness to turn this club around and succeed," and I still think it.
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I wouldn't mind Bielsa as he seems a bit mad. Which is a bonus. Plus this from Wiki has for some reason amused me.
A fanatic of football videos that he adds to his collection, Bielsa on occasion checks pitch measurements by pacing them out before deciding on a particular formation. He allocates separate training times for different parts of his squad. Former Argentine national team captain Roberto Ayala and defender under Bielsa stated "Sometimes we wouldn't see any of the strikers, because he'd have them training at a different time, and it was the same with the midfielders."[2]
He is known for watching and collecting numerous football videos to the point of obsession. He edits and analyzes each video for each individual player. He also utilizes statistical software and other technological tools to prepare for games. John Carlin, an English journalist, has stated that Bielsa "has the most cultured library of soccer in the world." [26]
Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius." [27] Barcelona's Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" in 2012.[28]
As Bielsa refuses to grant exclusive interviews, the press conference has become his preferred method of communication. He has been known to field every last question from the assembled media during these gatherings. If the talk turns to the intricacies of the game, a three- or even four-hour press conference is possible. According to him: Every section of the media should get the same attention from me, from the capital's most prominent TV channel to the smallest newspaper in the provinces.[2]
But he doesnt speak English. Then again neither does Lambert. Looks like its Sven and Nancy then!
Maybe we could get ulrika in as well with a wet sponge.
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One might argue that West Bromwich Albion is Lambert's sort of level. Perhaps he'll be the type of manager who excels as smaller clubs?
It's a possibility. What he's trying to do at Villa is a huge challenge for him, that's for certain. Thinking back to last season I was very impressed with the way he stuck to his guns and kept faith with his team - even in the January transfer window - when every other club in the relegation scrap was panicking. At the time I thought, "Yes, this guy has the mental toughness to turn this club around and succeed," and I still think it.
From memory a lot of the other clubs changed their manager as well. The fact we didn't probably helped us (in hindsight).
Obviously we cannot keep 'not' changing our manager if we're in the same situation each year, But I do think he deserves a bit longer and certainly the Jan transfer window.
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One might argue that West Bromwich Albion is Lambert's sort of level. Perhaps he'll be the type of manager who excels as smaller clubs?
It's a possibility. What he's trying to do at Villa is a huge challenge for him, that's for certain. Thinking back to last season I was very impressed with the way he stuck to his guns and kept faith with his team - even in the January transfer window - when every other club in the relegation scrap was panicking. At the time I thought, "Yes, this guy has the mental toughness to turn this club around and succeed," and I still think it.
From memory a lot of the other clubs changed their manager as well. The fact we didn't probably helped us (in hindsight).
Obviously we cannot keep 'not' changing our manager if we're in the same situation each year, But I do think he deserves a bit longer and certainly the Jan transfer window.
The thing with that though is any new man would then have no chance of bringing in anyone - I think if a change is to be made the new man needs at least a couple of weeks before the window closes.
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
If we get either Bielsa or Klopp, I will eat my own head.
Now, that is worth 35 quid to watch. How do you plan on doing that then ? Do you have a row of teeth in your arse ? ;)
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One might argue that West Bromwich Albion is Lambert's sort of level. Perhaps he'll be the type of manager who excels as smaller clubs?
It's a possibility. What he's trying to do at Villa is a huge challenge for him, that's for certain. Thinking back to last season I was very impressed with the way he stuck to his guns and kept faith with his team - even in the January transfer window - when every other club in the relegation scrap was panicking. At the time I thought, "Yes, this guy has the mental toughness to turn this club around and succeed," and I still think it.
From memory a lot of the other clubs changed their manager as well. The fact we didn't probably helped us (in hindsight).
Obviously we cannot keep 'not' changing our manager if we're in the same situation each year, But I do think he deserves a bit longer and certainly the Jan transfer window.
The thing with that though is any new man would then have no chance of bringing in anyone - I think if a change is to be made the new man needs at least a couple of weeks before the window closes.
I think most people think that it is the quality and inexperience of the players which are letting us down. If we change the manager there is a risk that the young and inexperienced players (signed by Lambert) will lose further confidence reducing the quality of the squad further.
The new guy - and lets fact it the likely candidates are not guaranteed to be better - is likely to want to sign his own men when we have limited funds. That money might as well be given to Lambert to sign two or three experienced players and hopefully the collective would be greater.
Basically I've not completely given up on Lambert yet (unless Bielsa wants to join).
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Either way stick or twist it is a gamble - last season it paid off for us , I'm not so sure it would do this season but whatever happens this squad needs quality additions in January.
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I'm dreaming I know but, I'd love to see Jurgen Klopp. If only to see that infectious smile but, we'd probably soon wipe that off his face.
Seriously, it would be a great appointment.
If we get either Bielsa or Klopp, I will eat my own head.
Now, that is worth 35 quid to watch. How do you plan on doing that then ? Do you have a row of teeth in your arse ? ;)
Stick to the Illuminati instead of the one-liners.
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I will eat anyone's hat if Jurgen Klopp so much as considered coming to this circus.
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I will eat anyone's hat if Jurgen Klopp so much as considered coming to this circus.
Well quite, and my remark is based on my opinion of the impossibility of it happening.
Who knows who is out there that would a) have the experience to galvanise the players immediately, b) have the tactical nous to play the kind of football we would like to see, and c) would actually come here.
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I think c) is the deal breaker
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Bielsa day dreaming:
http://www.thefalsenine.co.uk/2013/05/31/whats-next-for-marcelo-bielsa-five-jobs-for-footballs-tactical-fundamentalist/
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjær if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjær last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
On the basis of this, I claim SOLE RIGHTS over talking about a potential new manager as I AND I (nearly) ALONE was pretty much set against Lambert becoming manager. Bizarrely enough, everyone else has been disappointed by him and I might be the only one who's opinion of him really has improved - I think he wants us to play better football than I thought he would, and he has impressed me with his seriousness and general calmness in a crisis. However, I never did want him in the first place, but I don't like being proved right and I really hope I eventually get proved wronger than Nostradamus. Sincerely.
I have supported him from day 1, but if you read my posts at the time had serious reservations about him.
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Re supertom and others who would have OGS, it's already shit or get off the pot time.
It's currently the Norwegian close season and he's got a chance to leave now for minimal compo and on good terms with Kjell Inge Røkke, the moneyman behind Molde as he's only got 6 months left on his contract which would leave him out of contract half way through next season.
Concensus in the Norwegian press is that he'll sign a new 3 year deal early in January unless there's a good offer on the table. Knowing this I don't think the baggies are after him.
As I've previously said, I would be very careful about getting someone as green as OGS, as I think people constantly underestimate how big a job it is, regardless of any recent lowering of expectations. I think it was Dean Saunders that said you don't realise how big a club we are until you leave.
If Lambert does go, it needs someone who's done it at a similar size club, and definitely not just in the PL.
To those who advocate Laursen, he's spent about 6 months as coach in the Danish second division, then jacked it in to complete his badges and spend time with his family. It would be the equivalent of the toon appointing Shearer. Getting by on blood, guts, motivation and adrenaline isn't enough.
Someone who's done it at Bilbao, Hamburg, Leverkusen, or similar is what's needed next time around, whenever that may be.
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Bielsa day dreaming:
http://www.thefalsenine.co.uk/2013/05/31/whats-next-for-marcelo-bielsa-five-jobs-for-footballs-tactical-fundamentalist/
Some more. He's bonkers:
"In early July it took a turn for the surreal. Bielsa called a press conference which lasted almost an hour and a half to announce that he had filed a formal complaint with the police
about himself. He gave a statement in which he admitted to having insulted and pushed the site manager on the works being carried out at Athletic's Lezama training ground. He said he had shoved the site manager out of his office after promises made about the completion of work were not met. "I'm sorry," he said, "he may well be the worst site manager around but he deserved respect.""
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;D
Get him in.
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No doubt, Bielsa is the best option out there. Fuck off Lambo.
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Lerner took a huge gamble with TSM, although, arguable for a reason in lowering the wage bill etc and then brought in who he thought would be a safe pair of hands in Lambert. I wonder if he'd take such a huge gamble on getting someone in from abroad. I appreciate that he did that with Houllier (who obviously had premiership experience) but I wonder if Lerner has the balls to go for someone like a Bielsa or a Klopp et al. Someone who has NO experience in this league? I just can't see it myself. I don't think he has that sort of imagination.
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I just can't see it myself. I don't think he has that sort of imagination.
In which case I think we'd be better sticking with Lambert, at least until the summer.
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjær if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjær last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
On the basis of this, I claim SOLE RIGHTS over talking about a potential new manager as I AND I (nearly) ALONE was pretty much set against Lambert becoming manager. Bizarrely enough, everyone else has been disappointed by him and I might be the only one who's opinion of him really has improved - I think he wants us to play better football than I thought he would, and he has impressed me with his seriousness and general calmness in a crisis. However, I never did want him in the first place, but I don't like being proved right and I really hope I eventually get proved wronger than Nostradamus. Sincerely.
I have supported him from day 1, but if you read my posts at the time had serious reservations about him.
You'll be hearing from my solicitor soon, we can share the royalties.
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Sold on Bielsa. The entertainment would be ridiculous.
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Brendan Rodgers was my first choice and AVB my second. The former's not done too bad but probably less second about the latter, the better. Lambert won me over and even now I would rather be looking to add to the squad than to continue going through the constant cycle of changing managers every 1-2 years and them working with someone else's squad and not getting the time they need to get the squad they want. I know what we're seeing is indefensible but I just can't see it being any different with someone else managing the same players. And if were to take action, I would rather it be in a summer when there tends to be a much wider choice of managers and time for them to plan what they need to do.
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Bielsa. If we could get him. We'd be either brilliant or shit really quickly but we would be nothing as we are today. It would be pretty compelling either way. As I see it in my grumpy football way I pretty much hate everyone except Villa and I am close to disliking Villa (the football not the club) so something has to give or there will be a tear in some sort of Dr Who space - time continnum soon...
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Bring back McLeish. The football under him was positively Barca-esque compared to what it is at the moment.
;)
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Cardiff making it very clear they want OGS if the press are to be believed. If he takes it at that mad house and wins enough games to keep them up he would enhance his reputation a fair bit. Looks like Palace, Cardiff, Sunderland and Fulham will all have some money to throw at it in Jan too.
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Cardiff making it very clear they want OGS if the press are to be believed. If he takes it at that mad house and wins enough games to keep them up he would enhance his reputation a fair bit. Looks like Palace, Cardiff, Sunderland and Fulham will all have some money to throw at it in Jan too.
He'd be absolutely nuts to take that job.
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Cardiff making it very clear they want OGS if the press are to be believed. If he takes it at that mad house and wins enough games to keep them up he would enhance his reputation a fair bit. Looks like Palace, Cardiff, Sunderland and Fulham will all have some money to throw at it in Jan too.
He'd be absolutely nuts to take that job.
Wait a week and he'll have a much better job open to him.
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Cardiff making it very clear they want OGS if the press are to be believed. If he takes it at that mad house and wins enough games to keep them up he would enhance his reputation a fair bit. Looks like Palace, Cardiff, Sunderland and Fulham will all have some money to throw at it in Jan too.
He'd be absolutely nuts to take that job.
Wait a week and he'll have a much better job open to him.
Every logical thing would point to that, but really, I cannot for the life of me see Randy pulling the trigger, even if we lose tomorrow and at Sunderland.
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Murat Yakin does look good , he can bring Salah with him.
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Cardiff making it very clear they want OGS if the press are to be believed. If he takes it at that mad house and wins enough games to keep them up he would enhance his reputation a fair bit. Looks like Palace, Cardiff, Sunderland and Fulham will all have some money to throw at it in Jan too.
So do we according to this ..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10540033/Aston-Villa-owner-Randy-Lerner-sticks-by-stressed-manager-Paul-Lambert.html
Belive it when I see it
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Still with Lambert at this point, but I'm losing faith in him as each game goes by. If he is to go, then whoever comes in will need financial backing to turn things around. I wonder if Frank De Boer could be persuaded to leave his post at Ajax?
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Cardiff making it very clear they want OGS if the press are to be believed. If he takes it at that mad house and wins enough games to keep them up he would enhance his reputation a fair bit. Looks like Palace, Cardiff, Sunderland and Fulham will all have some money to throw at it in Jan too.
So do we according to this ..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10540033/Aston-Villa-owner-Randy-Lerner-sticks-by-stressed-manager-Paul-Lambert.html
Belive it when I see it
Striker wtf
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he says 'To do that you need to keep building it and adding quality to it and adding at every turn '
well I havent seen much of this quality up to now
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Laudrup.
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjær if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjær last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
On the basis of this, I claim SOLE RIGHTS over talking about a potential new manager as I AND I (nearly) ALONE was pretty much set against Lambert becoming manager. Bizarrely enough, everyone else has been disappointed by him and I might be the only one who's opinion of him really has improved - I think he wants us to play better football than I thought he would, and he has impressed me with his seriousness and general calmness in a crisis. However, I never did want him in the first place, but I don't like being proved right and I really hope I eventually get proved wronger than Nostradamus. Sincerely.
I have supported him from day 1, but if you read my posts at the time had serious reservations about him.
I'm the same as Ozz. My post on his signing thread wasn't the most complimentary! But i've supported him ever since and until recently have been happy to have him as manager. So i'lll be right and wrong regardless of whether he succeeds or fails. Which is confusing me. My head hurts now.
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Looks like Bielsa is on the radar elsewhere-
@JamesNursey: The Cardiff chairman Dalman does want Solskjær but I've personally heard Tan fancies Marcelo Bielsa, who's recommended by Medel
@JamesNursey: Marcelo Bielsa was Chile boss and helped Medel a lot apparently and he's pushing him for #CCFC job with Tan
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I don't watch Norwegian football but I would give OGS a go rather than Lambert because the football under Lambert is quite frankly awful - I've watched villa for 35 years and many of those as a season ticket holder and this is truly abysmal
So on what basis are you saying you'd have Solskjær if you know nothing about him? Why not Ronny Delia who outperformed Solskjær last season?
Plus, considering you were a big advocate of Lambert becoming our manager in 2012 do you really think you should trust your own judgement now? You picked badly last time, what's to say you'll do a better job this time?
Incidentally, I know nothing about either of the above two as managers either and I wanted Lambert as manager in 2012 too. But I'm not the one insisting that this bloke I don't know much about or the other bloke that I don't know much are the logical choice.
On the basis of this, I claim SOLE RIGHTS over talking about a potential new manager as I AND I (nearly) ALONE was pretty much set against Lambert becoming manager. Bizarrely enough, everyone else has been disappointed by him and I might be the only one who's opinion of him really has improved - I think he wants us to play better football than I thought he would, and he has impressed me with his seriousness and general calmness in a crisis. However, I never did want him in the first place, but I don't like being proved right and I really hope I eventually get proved wronger than Nostradamus. Sincerely.
I have supported him from day 1, but if you read my posts at the time had serious reservations about him.
I'm the same as Ozz. My post on his signing thread wasn't the most complimentary! But i've supported him ever since and until recently have been happy to have him as manager. So i'lll be right and wrong regardless of whether he succeeds or fails. Which is confusing me. My head hurts now.
A bit deflating all this isn't it!
Cardiff appointing a good manager and giving him lots of money will add to the depression of it all. I am still hoping they do something stupid like appoint Bellamy.
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he says 'To do that you need to keep building it and adding quality to it and adding at every turn '
well I havent seen much of this quality up to now
and the fans are turning in their droves!
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Whilst people are expecting that Lambert will stay in post, my gut feeling is that if he loses today and there is a reaction like we saw at Villa Park on Thursday Lambert will resign. My impression from his post match interviews to the media is that he has lost all confidence and knows he has been found out, and is out of his depth like a goldfish in a sea of piranhas. When he speaks there is no swagger like a Ferguson or Mourinho, no analysis like a Wenger, no nous like a Rogers or Moyes and no amusement like a Redknapp. Clearly Lambert is flailing under the pressure and he knows it.
Faulkner and Lerner would, in an ideal world, want to wait until the end of the season before changing personnel. However this is not the ideal world and you have to speculate to accumulate. If there is a possibility we are going to be relegated and Lambert would put our Premier League status in jeopardy they cannot wait until May, nor pussyfoot and give Lambert any time in January. If the likes of OGS are available are they more likely to come to a Premier League club, or one that has been relegated to the Championship after an indifferent season?
I think Paul Lambert is an honorable man. Should Villa be beaten today, at 5.05 p.m. he should tender his resignation to Paul Faulkner in order to give the club the opportunity to find a new man to take us forward. It is better, in a situation like this, to jump (and put the CEO in the spotlight) rather than be pushed.
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I have vague memories of hearing he did this at a similar time last year and the offer was refused.
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He won't resign,
to much money to lose
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He won't resign,
to much money to lose
No chance of him resigning.
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He won't resign,
to much money to lose
No chance of him resigning.
However, having the relegation of Aston Villa FC and the inevitable dismissal in May should that happen will not look good on Lamberts C.V. And if he has tried to jump before, I suspect that if the wretched form carries on he knows what is coming in the Spring.
Of course Doug would have took him around the rose garden a long time ago...
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Martinez
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He won't resign,
to much money to lose
No chance of him resigning.
However, having the relegation of Aston Villa FC and the inevitable dismissal in May should that happen will not look good on Lamberts C.V. And if he has tried to jump before, I suspect that if the wretched form carries on he knows what is coming in the Spring.
Of course Doug would have took him around the rose garden a long time ago...
Far better to get the sack and a big pay off than be labelled a quitter and get nowt though sadly these days.
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This is another reason why I miss terracing. Because I have a season ticket I feel that I have to go today, even though I'd rather not bother and do something like enjoy my day. If it were still the old terracing where you could turn up on the day and still stand next to your mates, then it wouldn't be a problem. The only reason I have a season ticket is to guarantee I can sit next to my mates, let's face it- we don't get many sell-outs where we'd struggle for a ticket.
The long and short is this, today is going to be like a chore. And if Lambert stays, most of the following home games will feel the same.
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Not a chance in hell of him resigning. He is not the resigning type. He is a dice roller, a Micawber who believes something will always turn up. I have supported him since day one but I have never believed that he has any kind of plan. He is like the roulette player who spreads his chips all across the table and hopes that the winning bets will cover the losing ones. He is a chancer and the job has found him out.
Having said that I don't care if he goes of if he stays. Our immediate future remains exactly the same with whichever manager is in charge because it is not the manager who can change what is wrong with the club.
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He won't resign,
to much money to lose
No chance of him resigning.
However, having the relegation of Aston Villa FC and the inevitable dismissal in May should that happen will not look good on Lamberts C.V. And if he has tried to jump before, I suspect that if the wretched form carries on he knows what is coming in the Spring.
Of course Doug would have took him around the rose garden a long time ago...
Far better to get the sack and a big pay off than be labelled a quitter and get nowt though sadly these days.
He should offer his resignation as his record is appalling.
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This is another reason why I miss terracing. Because I have a season ticket I feel that I have to go today, even though I'd rather not bother and do something like enjoy my day. If it were still the old terracing where you could turn up on the day and still stand next to your mates, then it wouldn't be a problem. The only reason I have a season ticket is to guarantee I can sit next to my mates, let's face it- we don't get many sell-outs where we'd struggle for a ticket.
The long and short is this, today is going to be like a chore. And if Lambert stays, most of the following home games will feel the same.
Speaking for the majority of us mate , i would add that my sister has given my nephew her seat today as she's had enough for one Christmas thankyou very much !
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Fernando Nelson.
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Can you hear the Holte Ferrrrrrnando?
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I do think we need a kids section at Villa Park if Lambert remains in charge because I can't control my language down there. Either that or have a designated swearing section.
What turns me into Malcolm Tucker is seeing errors before the players make them but being unable to do anything about it. Surely they can be coached out of them?
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mmmmmm Im in the keep Lambert. But if he does go............Mclaren!
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@patmurphybbc: Don't believe Lambert's in danger @AVFCOfficial - close working r'ship with RL,talks 2 him several times a wk & Lerner's appalled at 1/2
@patmurphybbc: 2/2 the cull of managers/head coaches in 2013.Lerner's also very stubborn as he showed last Jan/Feb.And he won't change his transfer policy
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@patmurphybbc: Don't believe Lambert's in danger @AVFCOfficial - close working r'ship with RL,talks 2 him several times a wk & Lerner's appalled at 1/2
@patmurphybbc: 2/2 the cull of managers/head coaches in 2013.Lerner's also very stubborn as he showed last Jan/Feb.And he won't change his transfer policy
He should have no complaints if we go down then.
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@patmurphybbc: Don't believe Lambert's in danger @AVFCOfficial - close working r'ship with RL,talks 2 him several times a wk & Lerner's appalled at 1/2
@patmurphybbc: 2/2 the cull of managers/head coaches in 2013.Lerner's also very stubborn as he showed last Jan/Feb.And he won't change his transfer policy
He should have no complaints if we go down then.
This. Lerner needs to sit with us week in, week out watching this utter bilge. Maybe then he'd change his stance.
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@patmurphybbc: Don't believe Lambert's in danger @AVFCOfficial - close working r'ship with RL,talks 2 him several times a wk & Lerner's appalled at 1/2
@patmurphybbc: 2/2 the cull of managers/head coaches in 2013.Lerner's also very stubborn as he showed last Jan/Feb.And he won't change his transfer policy
He should have no complaints if we go down then.
This. Lerner needs to sit with us week in, week out watching this utter bilge. Maybe then he'd change his stance.
I actually think Lerner would be better watching some other football matches, so he can see that it does not need to be this bad. A struggling team does not necessarily need to be so devoid of fun and attacking adventure.
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The most important force at Villa Park these days is the crowd. We shall decide who goes and who stays. Lambert does not get it and Lerner does not know that there is anything to get but the blood is up in the Villa faithful and to paraphrase a legend "would you want to bet against them?"
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I honestly think Lambert has been treated incredibly sympathetically by the Villa fans, until now. It's not purely about results, it's the style of play and the lack of tactical nous. To be breaking the kind of records we are doing with our home form really is unacceptable and I cannot think of any other team in the prem that would have been as loyal to their manager than us. Not one.
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Ah well... The doomsday project continues , next stop - sunderland .
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I honestly think Lambert has been treated incredibly sympathetically by the Villa fans, until now. It's not purely about results, it's the style of play and the lack of tactical nous. To be breaking the kind of records we are doing with our home form really is unacceptable and I cannot think of any other team in the prem that would have been as loyal to their manager than us. Not one.
Agreed , maybe that is one of reasons Lerner is happy to persevere with him - it's hardly as if there's a huge fan backlash against either of them .
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Crowd were great yesterday, the only thing that keeps our prride intact is us.
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I honestly think Lambert has been treated incredibly sympathetically by the Villa fans, until now. It's not purely about results, it's the style of play and the lack of tactical nous. To be breaking the kind of records we are doing with our home form really is unacceptable and I cannot think of any other team in the prem that would have been as loyal to their manager than us. Not one.
Agreed , maybe that is one of reasons Lerner is happy to persevere with him - it's hardly as if there's a huge fan backlash against either of them .
One of the reasons cited for Mcleish getting the push was the poor quality of football . Why should Lambert be treated any differently?
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Lambert's out of ideas. All he's got left is to prescribe a course of leeches.
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I honestly think Lambert has been treated incredibly sympathetically by the Villa fans, until now. It's not purely about results, it's the style of play and the lack of tactical nous. To be breaking the kind of records we are doing with our home form really is unacceptable and I cannot think of any other team in the prem that would have been as loyal to their manager than us. Not one.
Agreed , maybe that is one of reasons Lerner is happy to persevere with him - it's hardly as if there's a huge fan backlash against either of them .
One of the reasons cited for Mcleish getting the push was the poor quality of football . Why should Lambert be treated any differently?
I don't think this is how Lambert wants the team to be playing, but has been forced to due to injuries and a loss of form/confidence. Under Lambert we have tried to play some more progressive football, whereas with Mcleish I think it was in his DNA to play a cautious style.
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As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?
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As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?
Hard to believe hull scored almost as many home goals in 40 minutes yesterday as we have done in half a season :(
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As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?
Hard to believe hull scored almost as many home goals in 40 minutes yesterday as we have done in half a season :(
And Hull are looking good without a center-forward who scores goals. I think Sagbo has 2 goals. He's essentially a Heskey. If they had a Drogba fuck knows how much higher they'd be.
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Lambert's out of ideas. All he's got left is to prescribe a course of leeches.
"It's all leeches with you isn't it? Your just a quack!"
"I'd rather be a quack than a ducky"!
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As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?
I agree that at the moment it looks like we need at least 5 or 6 players. However, get Vlaar and Benteke back fit and in form and bring in a decent midfielder and we would look a totally different team.
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Lambert's out of ideas. All he's got left is to prescribe a course of leeches.
"It's all leeches with you isn't it? Your just a quack!"
"I'd rather be a quack than a ducky"!
or perhaps Culverhouse has a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel
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As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?
I don't buy into that personally. Non of our players are completely awful, they just look badly coached, playing in formations that don't suit them and generally a bit confused as to what their specific jobs in the side are
It's the only conclusion I can come to after watching them anyway
After 18 months in charge, ANY manager should have a best 11 and formation/style of play that suits them. Lambert obviously still has no clue
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As I said before no manager could so much this 'squad'. We need at least 5 or 6 players that could go straight in which isn't going to happen. Our squad looks poorer than the likes of Hull or even Albion (they won't be below us by the end of Jan). How did it come to this?
I don't buy into that personally. Non of our players are completely awful, they just look badly coached, playing in formations that don't suit them and generally a bit confused as to what their specific jobs in the side are
It's the only conclusion I can come to after watching them anyway
After 18 months in charge, ANY manager should have a best 11 and formation/style of play that suits them. Lambert obviously still has no clue
There's literally no excuse for how poor our play is and all the basic errors we make. Any pro-footballer be it from L2, Poland, Denmark, the French 2nd division, where-ever, should be able to take a throw in and find a team mate, or pass it five yards and find a team mate.
The lack of any organisation and gameplan is what hurts us, even more than some of the sub standard players. As bad as some are, there's no question they should be able to use a football better than they are doing. It comes down to Lambert's regime in my book. We make headless chickens look organised. I'd be looking at a decent coach in Germany perhaps. Get some of this German efficiency that Lambo was supposed to be giving us but hasn't in any way, shape or form.
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the team is poor, we know that. when we took the lead yesterday, I wasn't sure what I should do, but some in the holte seemed to know and so I joined in. we scored then proceeded to sit very deep, inviting Swansea on to us, there is no confidence in this young team, I think the villa fans in the main have been brilliant in their support, but I put that down to the fact that the fans know this lerner aint going to do anything, to change the situation. I believe the previous managers have all done their best, just like lambert is doing, but the mantra from lerner is get the wages down, and buy cheap.
When he first came (lerner) he hadn't got a clue about football, and he still don't, he throw some money at it, with mo'n got burnt and since has slipped back across the pond, he will sell us, cuz the penny has dropped with him unless you are prepared to keep putting money in there is nothing in it for the owner. So under this ownership whats the point in changing manager.
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@patmurphybbc: may bring in a couple but not attention grabbers.Money just not there anymore.Take it up with Lerner,not Lambert
@patmurphybbc: when cameras/microphones r off Lambert's relaxed.Got no pressures from Lerner,mentions 'project' a lot lately tho'
@patmurphybbc: He's going nowhere,he & Lerner are as tight as a drum
@patmurphybbc: Doesn't appear to be feeling the pressure when we deal with him.Seems fairly imperturbable,doesn't complain about finances
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I think anyone expecting experienced Premier League quality players in January probably still believes in the Tooth Fairy.
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What concerns with pat Murphy's comments is about the money not being there anymore - others will spend big to try and survive , if Lerner thinks we can spend £8m or so and survive then I'm afraid we will go down - you cannot survive that way .
Results are poor the football is awful and it appears lambert is under no pressure at all- how depressing.
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He won't pay the wages. Good, experienced players won't play for peanuts. Hence, we have a team full of dross. It usually doesn't end well.
I've made the point before, there's not enough pressure on Lambert. It breeds complacency. Only a few in the media can be bothered to look into the reasons for that, and when the crowd show their displeasure, they get reminded that they can expect little better any time soon. This is modern football, not the 1890s; Aston Villa are no longer a big club.
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@patmurphybbc: may bring in a couple but not attention grabbers.Money just not there anymore.Take it up with Lerner,not Lambert
@patmurphybbc: when cameras/microphones r off Lambert's relaxed.Got no pressures from Lerner,mentions 'project' a lot lately tho'
@patmurphybbc: He's going nowhere,he & Lerner are as tight as a drum
@patmurphybbc: Doesn't appear to be feeling the pressure when we deal with him.Seems fairly imperturbable,doesn't complain about finances
I think Pat Murphy knows marginally more than fuck all
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Lambert knows he's safe as houses here. This is clear during his press conferences - he's almost horizontal
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Lambert is not going any time soon.
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I'm not sure he would go even if relegated .
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I just think given our financial situation there's no way in hell we'd fire another manager. We can't afford the payoff. It worries me that Lambert seems reasonably content we've got 20 points at the half way stage. As if we're just going for 40 points and simply surviving.
I think the ambition at this club has completely gone. Randy wants us to maintain premier league status for as small a budget as possible. If that means finishing 17th, he's probably now content for that to be good enough. That's how it seems.
Where does "the project" take us though? I'm not sure it gets any better because anytime we have a better player, like Benteke, simply scraping survival isn't good enough to keep players like that. Meaning we're always perpetually losing better players and hoping we've got adequate replacements.
It's worrying because if you play it like this, all it takes is a bad injury run and a poor run of form and suddenly you find yourself relegated. It might not happen this season, but at the moment a future in the champ seems more certain than a future comfortably ensconced in the top 8.
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@patmurphybbc: may bring in a couple but not attention grabbers.Money just not there anymore.Take it up with Lerner,not Lambert
@patmurphybbc: when cameras/microphones r off Lambert's relaxed.Got no pressures from Lerner,mentions 'project' a lot lately tho'
@patmurphybbc: He's going nowhere,he & Lerner are as tight as a drum
@patmurphybbc: Doesn't appear to be feeling the pressure when we deal with him.Seems fairly imperturbable,doesn't complain about finances
I think Pat Murphy knows marginally more than fuck all
Is probably the right answer.
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I'm sure Randy and the two Pauls regularly tell Pat Murphy who much we are going to spend. He's just guessing.
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@patmurphybbc: may bring in a couple but not attention grabbers.Money just not there anymore.Take it up with Lerner,not Lambert
@patmurphybbc: when cameras/microphones r off Lambert's relaxed.Got no pressures from Lerner,mentions 'project' a lot lately tho'
@patmurphybbc: He's going nowhere,he & Lerner are as tight as a drum
@patmurphybbc: Doesn't appear to be feeling the pressure when we deal with him.Seems fairly imperturbable,doesn't complain about finances
Not healthy having no pressure to succeed.
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@patmurphybbc: may bring in a couple but not attention grabbers.Money just not there anymore.Take it up with Lerner,not Lambert
@patmurphybbc: when cameras/microphones r off Lambert's relaxed.Got no pressures from Lerner,mentions 'project' a lot lately tho'
@patmurphybbc: He's going nowhere,he & Lerner are as tight as a drum
@patmurphybbc: Doesn't appear to be feeling the pressure when we deal with him.Seems fairly imperturbable,doesn't complain about finances
Not healthy having no pressure to succeed.
Unless succeeding is keeping us up on as less a budget as possible , in which case he is succeeding at present.
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He is doing as he is told by the Higher management. He will not be sacked as long as we are in the premier league. Yawns uncontrollably.
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I'm sure Randy and the two Pauls regularly tell Pat Murphy who much we are going to spend. He's just guessing.
A newspaper a week or so ago ran a big back page headline that OGS was about to take over at the Stripeyfilth.
A week later the same paper said OGS was on the verge of joining Cardiff.
They just guess.
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Most of us would guess the same thing. We'll sign a couple and not spend a fortune. It's hardly the work of Poirot.
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I'm sure Randy and the two Pauls regularly tell Pat Murphy who much we are going to spend. He's just guessing.
A newspaper a week or so ago ran a big back page headline that OGS was about to take over at the Stripeyfilth.
A week later the same paper said OGS was on the verge of joining Cardiff.
They just guess.
Alex Ferguson has had a word in Olly's ear, so the rumour goes and told him not to touch Cardiff with a long shitty pole. Albion , on the other hand could start his Prem management. Good choice if he goes to the Baggies.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
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He seems to tweet about us a lot
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Olbion fan i think.
Hoddle talks a lot of sense.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
He is very defensive if you ask him who he supports - slippery old eel , he's been working for the bbc for nearly 30 years in this area - very good on cricket .
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Paul Lambert is adamant he does not feel 'immune' from the sack at Aston Villa, despite his good relationship with chairman Randy Lerner.
The Scot has been in charge at Villa Park since the summer of 2012 and spent his first season at the club waging a battle against relegation from the Premier League.
A run of five wins in the final 10 games was enough to keep Villa in the top flight, but another fight to avoid the drop appears in store this season.
Villa's four-game losing streak was halted by a 1-1 draw with Swansea City on Saturday, but Lambert's side are only four points outside the relegation zone.
Just two victories from 10 home games have also led to murmurs of discontent and Lambert is aware that he cannot take his job for granted.
"I've got a good relationship with Randy, but that doesn't mean I'm immune to it. I always have that fear. I always had that fear as a footballer and I always do when I'm the manager. I think you've got to have that."
Paul Lambert
"I've got a good relationship with Randy, but that doesn't mean I'm immune to it," he said.
"I always have that fear. I always had that fear as a footballer and I always do when I'm the manager. I think you've got to have that.
"It's been the same at every club I've managed.
"I don't think it will get any tougher than what happened last year and he was great with me then. I spoke to him last night and he's been good now as well.
"We have a plan. Randy has been great on that front.
"But I feel we're a million miles from where I want to go. I also know it is a long road but it is a challenge I relish."
Lambert acknowledged the importance of picking up a point against Swansea, particularly in the absence of influential trio Christian Benteke, Ron Vlaar and Jores Okore.
He added: "It's a game that you'd love to win, but a point stops that sequence of losing, which was vital for us.
"We're without big players, and it's a lot for us to carry. We're a young squad and when you lose people like Benteke, Vlaar and Okore, it's a big chunk of our spine.
"We (his management team) have only been here 17 months and I knew the first few years was going to be really tough, but we're halfway there when you look at the table. It's a big point.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9092634/
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'We have a plan ' - I should hope so.
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"I don't think it will get any tougher than what happened last year and he was great with me then. I spoke to him last night and he's been good now as well.
How reassuring.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
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Halfway to our grand target of 40 points.
What have we come to?
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I feel we're a million miles from where I want to go.
At least that's something we can all agree on.
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"But I feel we're a million miles from where I want to go. I also know it is a long road but it is a challenge I relish."
Perhaps he means the South Pole.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
Whys he always on about us then?
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I still believe in him. I know the football is just simply not good enough. I don't think the way we are playing is actually part of the plan. Because of injuries and loss of form it's made major dents into what he is trying to achieve. Hopefully because of this mini crisis he will be allowed to add to this squad now to help us through it.
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I still believe in him.
We could see flashes of what he is aiming at last season. The concern is that we're falling further away.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
Whys he always on about us then?
Because he's based in the Midlands and therefore he reports on us.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
Whys he always on about us then?
Because he's based in the Midlands and therefore he reports on us.
And generally does a good job of it in my opinion.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
Whys he always on about us then?
Because he's based in the Midlands and therefore he reports on us.
Yep. He is a Chelsea fan, but his main love is cricket.
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I still believe in him.
We could see flashes of what he is aiming at last season. The concern is that we're falling further away.
I know we are, but after hearing what he said yesterday and some quotes today I'm sure he knows it too.
Its debatable whether it's all his fault as the funds were so limited and not enough of the summer gambles have come good, which I suppose they are his judgment.
None of us predicted such a loss in form with Benteke, Weimann, Lowton and Westwood. Losing Ron, Okore and others so regularly has not helped at all. Also I can understand not having back up for Ron. Clarke has come good this season alongside Ron and maybe the plan was he was the cover for an unfit Ron. To have one of your major signings in a position we needed to fix, get such a nasty injury has really not helped. When you think Zog's got a major injury and also Joe Bennet who is questionable but come the end of last season he was getting better. He was also very useful going forward as was Lowton.
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Pat Murphy certainly got a few digs in during his post match interview with Lambert yesterday. Not for the first time.
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I still believe in him. I know the football is just simply not good enough. I don't think the way we are playing is actually part of the plan.
The type of players he has brought to the club suggests that this greyhound football is just the plan.
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Pat Murphy certainly got a few digs in during his post match interview with Lambert yesterday. Not for the first time.
Murphy must think Lambert is on the way out. Reporters often grovel to managers up to that point then turn when they think that they don't need to safeguard their free buffet any longer.
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Murphy has categorically said lambert is not on the way out and that's because he isn't
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Pat Murphy certainly got a few digs in during his post match interview with Lambert yesterday. Not for the first time.
Surely he is only trying to ask the same questions many are asking on here? Just with less swear words.
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I've seen nothing in Malky Mackay to suggest the's got any more ability to do the job than Lambert has. In my opinion, the only realistically gettable manager worth sacking Lambert for would be Michael Laudrup, and even that would be far from certain.
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I've seen nothing in Malky Mackay to suggest the's got any more ability to do the job than Lambert has. In my opinion, the only realistically gettable manager worth sacking Lambert for would be Michael Laudrup, and even that would be far from certain.
I think laudrup will hold out for and get one of the big jobs - can't see the villa job being of any interest to him under the current financial restraints.
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I've seen nothing in Malky Mackay to suggest the's got any more ability to do the job than Lambert has. In my opinion, the only realistically gettable manager worth sacking Lambert for would be Michael Laudrup, and even that would be far from certain.
I think laudrup will hold out for and get one of the big jobs - can't see the villa job being of any interest to him under the current financial restraints.
I agree, although financially I doubt he's spent much (if any) more than Lambert has at Villa. He's just been able to spend it much more wisely. I'm fairly certain he's picked-up Michu and Bony for less than we got Benteke and Kozak.
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I've seen nothing in Malky Mackay to suggest the's got any more ability to do the job than Lambert has. In my opinion, the only realistically gettable manager worth sacking Lambert for would be Michael Laudrup, and even that would be far from certain.
I think laudrup will hold out for and get one of the big jobs - can't see the villa job being of any interest to him under the current financial restraints.
I agree, although financially I doubt he's spent much (if any) more than Lambert has at Villa. He's just been able to spend it much more wisely. I'm fairly certain he's picked-up Michu and Bony for less than we got Benteke and Kozak.
It was about the same, Bony cost about £12m I think.
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Laudrup signed a contract extension through to summer 2015 in the close season that apparently includes a £10M release clause. The time to have got him in was after Houllier.
Would have been perfect looking at what he did in his 12 months at Mallorca.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I think he's destined for big things. Swansea are as rehearsed a side as I've seen in a long-time. If they had a bit more quality up-front they'd be genuine top 4 contenders.
On a different note, we should be looking to sign whoever plays in a defensive midfield role for Villareal, becasue if they can afford to let De Guzman out on loan they must have some serious talent there.
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I want Paul Lambert to still be our manager in five years time. I want them to see it through.
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How many more home games will we have won during that time, four?
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I liked the system when Brian Little was manager he coached the forwards Gregory the Midfield and Allan Evans the defence, how I wish we could go back to that.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
According to him he packed Chelsea in back in 1974
@patmurphybbc: Never did so - gave up on them in 1974 when they sold my 2 favourite players,Peter Osgood & Alan Hudson.Supported no club since
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
According to him he packed Chelsea in back in 1974
@patmurphybbc: Never did so - gave up on them in 1974 when they sold my 2 favourite players,Peter Osgood & Alan Hudson.Supported no club since
How can he say he never did support them then says he 'gave up on them'?
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
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Is Pat Murphy a Villa fan?
You're having a laugh. He should work for WM as he's always having sly digs at us ever since his Bessie mate MON walked out.
He supports Chelsea.
According to him he packed Chelsea in back in 1974
@patmurphybbc: Never did so - gave up on them in 1974 when they sold my 2 favourite players,Peter Osgood & Alan Hudson.Supported no club since
How can he say he never did support them then says he 'gave up on them'?
He's probably been reading the latest PL interview and it has corrupted his logic circuits.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
There is nothing worse than giving up on your club because they are shit.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
There is nothing worse than giving up on your club because they are shit.
Is the right answer.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
Isn't that the very worst type of football fan? I even have some respect for those who still go down to the Sty every week even though they are where they are. A football fan should never give up on his or her team and especially not during the dark days when things appear shit.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
There is nothing worse than giving up on your club because they are shit.
People spend hours on forums telling others that they are not going again. Are they looking for support from others? If you want to leave, you know where the door is, is my view.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
Easts raises a point though. Is it worse to move from one club to another like that twat David Mellor did?
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Mellor is a twat regardless of any football related indiscretions.
And by the way thanks for putting that picture of him in his Chelsea shirt back into my head.
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So he stopped supporting them as soon as they started going shit? Classy.
Honest though I suppose - doubt many would admit giving up on a club , could be worse i suppose , at least he didn't latch on to another as today's glory hunters do.
Easts raises a point though. Is it worse to move from one club to another like that twat David Mellor did?
Or that monumental prick, Tim Lovejoy.
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To try to be a bit fair to Pat Murphy, how old was he when he decided to give up on Chelsea (I have no idea how old he is now BTW), if he was at that impressionable age of, say, 10 -14 or so than I know loads of kids who changed their allegiances. I was a Sunderland fan in 1973 when they won the FA Cup! Next door neighbour started taking me down the Villa shortly after that.
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To try to be a bit fair to Pat Murphy, how old was he when he decided to give up on Chelsea (I have no idea how old he is now BTW), if he was at that impressionable age of, say, 10 -14 or so than I know loads of kids who changed their allegiances. I was a Sunderland fan in 1973 when they won the FA Cup! Next door neighbour started taking me down the Villa shortly after that.
He was probably early twenties, and it was about the time he became a proper broadcaster, so supporting a team might not have been a good career move.
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I met Pat Murphy at a cricket dinner in Shrewsbury towards the end of November; he was compering the event. I had the chance to chat to him before the formalities began and asked him what he thought the score would be in the derby match (Albion / Villa) which was on the following Monday. He responded 'a score draw' but when I then went on to say that us Villa fans thought he had a soft spot for the Baggies he was quite indignant, in a friendly way. He stated that he was born in Chelsea and supported them until 'Sexton lost the plot and sold Hudson and Osgood in quick succession; since then I have been totally impartial'.
Coincidentally I was reading a copy of 'The Villa Bugle' (issue 3) yesterday evening, published at the end of the 1993/94 season. In it there is an interview with Pat and the very first question was: Do you support a team?
His answer: I used to support Chelsea. I followed them everywhere during the 1955 championship winning season but lost interest when in the space of 24 hours in 1972, Dave Sexton sold Paddy Mulligan and Charlie Cook then a few months later flogged Hudson and my all-time favourite Peter Osgood. I enjoyed watching Forest under Cloughie but really I believe a good reporter should be impartial and therefore not support a particular team.
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To try to be a bit fair to Pat Murphy, how old was he when he decided to give up on Chelsea (I have no idea how old he is now BTW), if he was at that impressionable age of, say, 10 -14 or so than I know loads of kids who changed their allegiances. I was a Sunderland fan in 1973 when they won the FA Cup! Next door neighbour started taking me down the Villa shortly after that.
He was probably early twenties, and it was about the time he became a proper broadcaster, so supporting a team might not have been a good career move.
Possibly a decent enough excuse if he wasn't a fanatical fan, not everyone is you know, it's not like he actually changed his team.
Keep your bile for the likes of Tim Lovejoy rather than Pat Murphy I say.
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It's a funny thing, but I don't necessarily blame someone for giving up on a club: if they sell your idol players then, as a kid, maybe it's hard to get over that. Flitting from one successful club to another is near unforgivable, but just giving up on one club in favour of being a general football fan is a bit insubstantial, but I suppose he can be forgiven for it.
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I do not care for Pat Murphy, but I understand where he is coming from. When Tony Daley faded my interest in Villa dropped. If we had sold him in his prime I might have quit the Villa.
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He followed them everywhere in the 55 championship season ? Crikey , that was 59 years ago , he must be a lot older than he looks.
In that case even if he was 11 when he followed them everywhere that would make him 70 now - surely he's not that age ?
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I don't mind Pat Murphy, don't think he dances to anyone's tune,
Can have a bit of his own agenda sometimes, but better than just coming out with obvious banal stuff all the time
What we all have to get used to is the media will say nasty things about the Villa from time to time especially when we are shit, better than being ignored,
which has always been my point about the Daily Mirror
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I do not care for Pat Murphy, but I understand where he is coming from. When Tony Daley faded my interest in Villa dropped. If we had sold him in his prime I might have quit the Villa.
Tony Daley was my favourite too.
I sometimes wish I could stop supporting villa and just enjoy football. I think it's been a great season so far but the villa bit has been mostly shit
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OGS going for talks with cardiff
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OGS going for talks with cardiff
I just saw that news, too. Seems pretty strange if the idea that he's been looking for a good owner to work for is true. Then again, I suppose it all comes down to timing in the end - if he's decided he wants to move from Norway now, then there's only Cardiff available I suppose. Plus, he can't really lose in terms of his reputation. Relegated? Well, that Tan's mental, isn't he? Stay up? Blimey, that Solskjaer has done well to overachieve with Cardiff! Especially with that mental owner!
I'm still a bit jealous though.
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OGS going for talks with cardiff
I just saw that news, too. Seems pretty strange if the idea that he's been looking for a good owner to work for is true. Then again, I suppose it all comes down to timing in the end - if he's decided he wants to move from Norway now, then there's only Cardiff available I suppose. Plus, he can't really lose in terms of his reputation. Relegated? Well, that Tan's mental, isn't he? Stay up? Blimey, that Solskjær has done well to overachieve with Cardiff! Especially with that mental owner!
I'm still a bit jealous though.
Surprised the Albion haven't made a move .
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OGS going for talks with cardiff
I just saw that news, too. Seems pretty strange if the idea that he's been looking for a good owner to work for is true. Then again, I suppose it all comes down to timing in the end - if he's decided he wants to move from Norway now, then there's only Cardiff available I suppose. Plus, he can't really lose in terms of his reputation. Relegated? Well, that Tan's mental, isn't he? Stay up? Blimey, that Solskjær has done well to overachieve with Cardiff! Especially with that mental owner!
I'm still a bit jealous though.
Surprised the Albion haven't made a move .
BBC now saying Cardiff about to appoint OGS. Interesting move especially as he turned down the Villa for family reasons!
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Can see the OGS stay at Cardiff ending in tears and regret .
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I do not care for Pat Murphy, but I understand where he is coming from. When Tony Daley faded my interest in Villa dropped. If we had sold him in his prime I might have quit the Villa.
I was crushed when he nearly signed for Udinese.
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I hope OGS turns them down. It would be good to have him as an option in the summer. I'm not confident Lambert will do enough to warrant being kept on. I dunno. Finishing in a similar spot to where he and McLeish have in the last two seasons wouldn't be anywhere near good enough. Simply surviving isn't good enough.
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I do not care for Pat Murphy, but I understand where he is coming from. When Tony Daley faded my interest in Villa dropped. If we had sold him in his prime I might have quit the Villa.
I was crushed when he nearly signed for Udinese.
Fucking hell we couldn't half do with a player like Daley at the moment. We're crying out for someone with that sort of quality and threat.
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I think at the stadium with the owner looking all happy as larry suggests that the money has spoken. Sadly, not going to be coming here. Lambert is in there like a rock, not going anywhere soon.
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OGS had his chance, chose to stay with Molde as we know.
Interesting choice if he does join Cardiff, but 18 months on things can look different.
I am happy with PL. Progress is happening.
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Lamberts got this window to really prove his plan is going somewhere. I really hope he uses it well, and really does something drastic on the training ground too. I think he might just be out of his depth here, but the lack of any other viable/realistic options means turfing him out would be a bad idea.
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Lamberts got this window to really prove his plan is going somewhere. I really hope he uses it well, and really does something drastic on the training ground too. I think he might just be out of his depth here, but the lack of any other viable/realistic options means turfing him out would be a bad idea.
That is the problem for me. Lambert has looked way out of his depth at times and is incredibly fortuntate to follow the most disastrous appointment who pre-appointment lack of popularity will surely never be matched.
Then I look at the list of options for Albion job on betting sites and none of them inspire - may have been better off with Clarke.
Same with us - yes I know Villa job holds much more prestige but I'm really not sure if we can get anyone better.