How much more can we bear?...

[olaftab]

If we are still 11 points better off after the next three then it will be the best Xmas we have had for as long as I can remember

how did that work out? by my estimation one point better off after an "easy" run and very poorly prepared for the second half of season

A laboratory forensic type research by tomjennings III and totally bunk.

[olaftab]

Really struggling to give him much more support.

I must say today I am at the turning point. Turned up early at VP. Heard the team news and thought that's the best he can put out. That was the high point of the afternoon. I was sure after 28 mins that this will end in 0-0 at best and it did almost bar the goal from the Palace kid. We really are an inadequate outfit that plays inadequate football. To be where we are today fighting relegation for the fourth season in a row makes me want to gouge my eyes out. It is nearly unbearable.

[PeterWithesShin]

Are you sure that was your highlight?

[eric woolban woolban]

Is he still here?

[olaftab]

Are you sure that was your highlight?

Oops sorry. Listen everyone the real highlight of the day was shaking hand and exchanging seasons greetings with one MR PWS before the game.

[Legion]

I take it I'm out of favour, then?

[PeterWithesShin]

Are you sure that was your highlight?

Oops sorry. Listen everyone the real highlight of the day was shaking hand and exchanging seasons greetings with one MR PWS before the game.

That's better!

[olaftab]

I take it I'm out of favour, then?

No not at all. I checked the tree and there was no sign of of a tall good looking man errr intelligent man so I headed for the gate!

[Damo70]

I didn't see a seller before or after the match. After the match particularly concerned me. I thought maybe a suicide pact?

[Legion]

I take it I'm out of favour, then?

No not at all. I checked the tree and there was no sign of of a tall good looking man errr intelligent man so I headed for the gate!

I was promoted/relegated to the bus stop outside the church today. Sold out of the latest issue and was feeling really good on the way into the ground. It all went pear-shaped from then on in.

[SoccerHQ]

Somebody at the club needs to shout STOP.

Year on Year we are breaking all sorts of records for being poor. Worst home record two years in a row, worst beating last season Chelsea away, not scoring in the first half of a home game and now you tell me no team in Europe has a worse home record over the past three seasons?

That is absolutely awful. I know there have been other bad stats and I couldn't be bothered looking them up.

When you collate it all together it's amazing really we haven't actually between relegated these past three years.

It just shows that thankfully it's actually really hard to be bad enough to go down, I thought we'd reached that point last season but we got things together just in time.

Even though it's pretty grim right now, I don't see us going down. Not with Cardiff in turmoil, West Ham having no strikers and a few other teams in poor shape.

[curiousorange]

There was a pundit this week banging on about 'regression to the mean' for teams after their new manager's honeymoon period ends. What's Villa's mean? Are we terrible or going through our bad patch? Logically you'd say this side is never going to get better, but bar a couple of personnel changes, we've seen against teams like Arsenal and Chelsea that it can. That's what I'm focussing on following today - that the possibility exists that we can play ourselves into some better form. After all, there wasn't a single incident that you can point to to make it happen last season.

[olaftab]

Last season the catalyst for change was do or die. In the position we were in it was win or bust. So we had a go and won the necessary games. In that little spell we still failed to impress against quality teams and lost to Arsenal and manu away and Liverpool and Chelsea at home. Lambert has failed to find a method to win games in normal circumstances particularly against weaker or equal teams. Playing Russian roulette only works once.

[Mister E]

Last season the catalyst for change was do or die. In the position we were in it was win or bust. So we had a go and won the necessary games. In that little spell we still failed to impress against quality teams and lost to Arsenal and manu away and Liverpool and Chelsea at home. Lambert has failed to find a method to win games in normal circumstances particularly against weaker or equal teams. Playing Russian roulette only works once.

Russian roulette can work more than once, but in Lambert's case he really is stacking the odds against himself, by playing a sort of 4-2-4. We all know that our defence is weakened right now, and it's made worse if the MF is weak. Against Stoke and today he started out with a 2-man MF and expected everything to be fine. I don't get what he's trying to do.
I agree that he has not found a method and I - a PL fan - am pretty much drained of all support for him.

The real issue is that the club seems to lack direction and commitment from those who own it.

[Fuse]

Lambert's demeanour in his interview on AVTV after the game was one of someone who has given up.