The problem is whilst there have been people that have acknowledged his contribution and the limiting factors around that (playing in an overall shit team, playing in systems or roles that aren't suited to him etc) there are always people that will just continue to say he's shit no matter what (case in point). Numerous times i've seen Hutton be one of the best players in the side, and many acknowledge this, yet some people still single him out in the post match thread for abuse. It doesn't really tally up and to me it seems obvious that these people's preinstalled bias clouds their footballing perception.What you've described is how a defender should generally play. He's not a wingback, and shouldn't be played as one, but he is a solid defender when played in the right team, and whilst his age now i think would preclude him from being premiership standard, he'll do us good for next season in the championship.
Quote from: Dribbler on March 06, 2017, 02:36:16 PMThe problem is whilst there have been people that have acknowledged his contribution and the limiting factors around that (playing in an overall shit team, playing in systems or roles that aren't suited to him etc) there are always people that will just continue to say he's shit no matter what (case in point). Numerous times i've seen Hutton be one of the best players in the side, and many acknowledge this, yet some people still single him out in the post match thread for abuse. It doesn't really tally up and to me it seems obvious that these people's preinstalled bias clouds their footballing perception.What you've described is how a defender should generally play. He's not a wingback, and shouldn't be played as one, but he is a solid defender when played in the right team, and whilst his age now i think would preclude him from being premiership standard, he'll do us good for next season in the championship.I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I think there are 3 groups of people when it comes to Hutton because you've missed out the people who watch him and regardless of how he's played use words like effort, determination, honest to describe him. Those of us who really don't he's good enough end up having to be overly negative to get a point across to this group. A lot of people have said that he gets caught out of position far too often but some people have a preinstalled bias to still call him a 'solid defender' even when presented with clear evidence of numerous defensive errors. He's had 3 games in a row where he hasn't made any particularly appalling errors and some people see that as evidence that he's been 'excellent' because the expectations of him are so low that no one is surprised or concerned if he gives the ball away from good positions. As a defensive unit we've been better in the last 3 games and he's been part of that but that doesn't stop him also having been a big part of one the worst defences I've ever seen last season part of the defence this season that couldn't stop making mistakes in Janaury and February.
Quote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 12:30:09 PMHe's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are. Many of our squad are: really?
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Quote from: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 12:31:38 PMQuote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 12:30:09 PMHe's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are. Many of our squad are: really?Yes.BunnElphickBacunaRichards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)GardnerTshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)Just a few off the top of my head.
Quote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 06:30:42 PMQuote from: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 12:31:38 PMQuote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 12:30:09 PMHe's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are. Many of our squad are: really?Yes.BunnElphickBacunaRichards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)GardnerTshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)Just a few off the top of my head.You've listed good Championship players here: most are far better than League 1 (even, dare I say it, Flabby).
Quote from: Gareth on March 06, 2017, 11:40:07 AMI really don't get the criticism over the contract, it has become standard in contracts since Bosman that you sign a player for a period and then the club have an option for extension based upon a clause, generally a good amount of appearances, being met...it's the club protecting its assets.If they hadn't wanted Hutton to stay then he would have been left out before the clause was met...its not like we haven't had Bacuna sat there for half the season doing nothing that could have played there.Personally I'm no Hutton fan because I think his constant marauding forward with little to no end product completely unbalances the defence when he is frequently out of position but I do believe that Bruce is happy to retain him for another year.DeLaet will have been out for thick end of a year so he isn't going to hit the ground running, he'll take a good few weeks/months to get back to his best & every chance there will be the odd muscle injury in his rehab - and Bree might very well be seen long term as a centre half or defensive midfielder so seems sensible to keep Hutton around for another year....where it will be sad is if this time next year he is still first choice RB!I just hope Gabby hasn't got a similar clause.Seems a strange clause to have in a contract that was for 3(?) years. Surely, with a player in Hutton's position, negotiating a new contract 1 year before the end would not have been difficult.
I really don't get the criticism over the contract, it has become standard in contracts since Bosman that you sign a player for a period and then the club have an option for extension based upon a clause, generally a good amount of appearances, being met...it's the club protecting its assets.If they hadn't wanted Hutton to stay then he would have been left out before the clause was met...its not like we haven't had Bacuna sat there for half the season doing nothing that could have played there.Personally I'm no Hutton fan because I think his constant marauding forward with little to no end product completely unbalances the defence when he is frequently out of position but I do believe that Bruce is happy to retain him for another year.DeLaet will have been out for thick end of a year so he isn't going to hit the ground running, he'll take a good few weeks/months to get back to his best & every chance there will be the odd muscle injury in his rehab - and Bree might very well be seen long term as a centre half or defensive midfielder so seems sensible to keep Hutton around for another year....where it will be sad is if this time next year he is still first choice RB!
Quote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 06:30:42 PMQuote from: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 12:31:38 PMQuote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 12:30:09 PMHe's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are. Many of our squad are: really?Yes.BunnElphickBacunaRichards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)GardnerTshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)Just a few off the top of my head.Bit harsh imho PW
Quote from: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 06:46:32 PMQuote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 06:30:42 PMQuote from: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 12:31:38 PMQuote from: peter w on March 06, 2017, 12:30:09 PMHe's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are. Many of our squad are: really?Yes.BunnElphickBacunaRichards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)GardnerTshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)Just a few off the top of my head.You've listed good Championship players here: most are far better than League 1 (even, dare I say it, Flabby).Good? Other than the odd decent performance are you really saying that any of those have been good this season. I mean good?
How I've always thought of Hutton - dreadful in defensive third, awful in attacking third & excellent in middle third. He makes lots of tackles (particularly the crowd pleasing sliding ones) in the middle, runs past opponents at pace in the middle but is clueless on delivering a ball once he has arrived up top & he never seems to be in a position to challenge or block an opponent crossing a ball.