Ashes 2013/14

[taylorsworkrate]

In a strange way, I think getting beat 5-0 would be better than 3-2. If we were to come back and take advantage of an Australia team not caring about the dead rubbers then the players would all be spouting off about showing fight etc etc.

A 5-0 drubbing would be the accurate reflection and hopefully would result in some of these fair weather cricketers getting slaughtered

[aj2k77]

They've given up and lets be honest cooks captaincy has been shit aswell

[eastie]

Humiliating -shocking batting and shameful bowling - team selection poor and the whole staff and players should hang their heads in shame

[Proposition Joe]

Maybe we'd benefit from appointing Michael Vaughan to the backroom staff. Not in place of anyone, just in addition. He could help imprint a more positive mindset and style, and help Cook with tactics and mentality.

I get the impression Vaughan is really enjoying this England performance and delighting in putting the boot in.  I find him quote negative.

[taylorsworkrate]

Maybe we'd benefit from appointing Michael Vaughan to the backroom staff. Not in place of anyone, just in addition. He could help imprint a more positive mindset and style, and help Cook with tactics and mentality.

I get the impression Vaughan is really enjoying this England performance and delighting in putting the boot in.  I find him quote negative.

Its pretty difficult to be positive about them at the moment in fairness

[Proposition Joe]

In a strange way, I think getting beat 5-0 would be better than 3-2. If we were to come back and take advantage of an Australia team not caring about the dead rubbers then the players would all be spouting off about showing fight etc etc.

A 5-0 drubbing would be the accurate reflection and hopefully would result in some of these fair weather cricketers getting slaughtered

No, I think even at 3-2 we won't forget the crap that's been served up by England.

And, it's very much true that Australia are bad losers and even worse winners.  At least if we won the last two, the incessant crowing might quieten down a bit.

The way this tour is going, we'll be lucky to get away with nil.  It's almost ruined the memory of 2010/11 - the greatest Ashes series ever.

[Proposition Joe]

It's also painful the way we've let that classless slogger Warner look like a test player.

[aj2k77]

Priors keeping has been abysmal today. Buttler to come in next series?

[taylorsworkrate]

Priors keeping has been abysmal today. Buttler to come in next series?

For me definitely. Prior is having a shocking time with bat and gloves

[Proposition Joe]

Priors keeping has been abysmal today. Buttler to come in next series?

If he can transfer his 20/20 hitting to the test arena, then yes.  Otherwise, who else is out there?  Heard Chris Read mentioned the other day - I didn't know he was still playing.

[eastie]

Such depressing viewing - really couldn't have dreamt we would get hammered in this way in his series - as bad as anything I've seen - negative team selection - we had to take 20 wickets to win here and the bowlers selected carry as much threat as a sausage sandwich.

[taylorsworkrate]

Just seen the Jimmy Saville chap from the Barmy Army. He has grown a rather fetching goatee.

I do feel a bit sorry for him, he's spent 20 odd years modelling himself on Saville. He must have been absolutely devastated when all that came out.

[aj2k77]

It might smack of over reaction but I'd like to see Prior, Swann and Pietersen moved on now and possibly Anderson. I wouldn't want a situation in a couple of years where a lot of players are past it and we haven't bedded in enough young blood gently.

[eastie]

It might smack of over reaction but I'd like to see Prior, Swann and Pietersen moved on now and possibly Anderson. I wouldn't want a situation in a couple of years where a lot of players are past it and we haven't bedded in enough young blood gently.

I wouldn't be surprised to see flower walk away and pieterson too - I'm not sure they have the desire anymore - swann is past his best and Anderson will do a job on english test pitches which suit him - prior has reached the end of the road too.

I'm not sure how cook would react to a 5-0 beating - would he fight on and rebuild or prefer to just concentrate on his batting and relinquish the captaincy.

[aj2k77]

It might smack of over reaction but I'd like to see Prior, Swann and Pietersen moved on now and possibly Anderson. I wouldn't want a situation in a couple of years where a lot of players are past it and we haven't bedded in enough young blood gently.

I wouldn't be surprised to see flower walk away and pieterson too - I'm not sure they have the desire anymore - swann is past his best and Anderson will do a job on english test pitches which suit him - prior has reached the end of the road too.

I'm not sure how cook would react to a 5-0 beating - would he fight on and rebuild or prefer to just concentrate on his batting and relinquish the captaincy.

If not Cook then who? I'm not a fan of Cook as captain, I think he's too reactive and when the team are struggling it sure has affected his batting but who else is there? Non of the elder statesmen are performing well enough to even be sure of a place in the side nevermind captaincy.