Ashes 2013/14

[taylorsworkrate]

I'll be surprised if Johnson doesn't get at least 50

[eastie]

You seem to miss the point pwa - Bresnan may me a decent bowler although as Nasser just said he's been the workhorse - but the key point is this is a pace bowlers wicket and made for the likes of Steve Finn .

If having been thrashed twice and with bowlers off form you decide not to play him in perfect conditions for him then when will he play ?

There's no way Bresnan should be ahead of Finn on this pitch - you say its easy to get runs but lets see how easy it is tomorrow when Johnson is banging it in at well over 90mph .

You advocated Bresnan and Anderson and both have been poor - should have gone with Finn and rankin as that was the chance of winning.

[PaulWinch again]

You seem to miss the point pwa - Bresnan may me a decent bowler although as Nasser just said he's been the workhorse - but the key point is this is a pace bowlers wicket and made for the likes of Steve Finn .

If having been thrashed twice and with bowlers off form you decide not to play him in perfect conditions for him then when will he play ?

There's no way Bresnan should be ahead of Finn on this pitch - you say its easy to get runs but lets see how easy it is tomorrow when Johnson is banging it in at well over 90mph .

I'm not missing any point, I've said that I rate Finn but he is not right currently. If you remember I said we should play Rankin, so I'm well aware of the pace issue. We will see how we go against Johnson, but there's a big difference Johnson is confident and Finn is not. They're very similar bowlers in that respect, if it's going well they're great if it's not they're all over the place.

[eastie]

I disagree that Finn is not right , it's hardly as of we would be leaving out an in form bowler to bring him in - either way the damage has been done now and the Aussies are as good as home and dry - come on willy wombat , time to claim your prize

[PaulWinch again]

Our biggest problem out of all the debates around the bowlers is that our main strike bowlers, Anderson and Swann have done virtually nothing this series.

[eastie]

Our biggest problem out of all the debates around the bowlers is that our main strike bowlers, Anderson and Swann have done virtually nothing this series.

Agreed , although the same could be said about almost the whole team in all honesty - a series to forget

[PaulWinch again]

Their middle/lower order has consistently killed us and it's happening again.

[PaulWinch again]

Stokes should be bowling the new ball not Anderson, in fact I'm not sure Anderson should be playing at all.

[eastie]

Stokes should be bowling the new ball not Anderson, in fact I'm not sure Anderson should be playing at all.

Flower has got the selection totally wrong - inexcusable as he knew this was a fast bowlers pitch with nothing for the swing or seam bowlers - all this bollocks of not being afraid to make big changes is pie in the sky .
Same old same old !

[Proposition Joe]

Point for debate: our bowling has been as bad if not worse than the batting this tour. Johnson bowling with a heap of runs to play with vs with a small total to defend would be quite a different matter.

Letting Smith - SMITH! - get a century should mean bowlers' match fees are forfeit.

And how many tail end stands is it going to take for them to realise that when the Aussie monster is wounded you don't take your fucking foot off its throat, you decapitate and burn the remains to be sure.

Australia, like Man Ure vs Villa, could field 11 supporters for the next natch and we'll still find a way to lose.

[eastie]

No shape , no discipline , being pissed on now by the Aussies!
Time  to stand up and be counted - yeah right

[PaulWinch again]

Whether it's seam or spin we just haven't bowled very well. Anderson has carried no threat at all, Bresnan hasn't at all, Broad has been erratic. I think we're suffering from the fact that English pitches are set up to suit our team too much and we've become a bit soft.

[eastie]

No doubt tomorrow we will fuck about at two an over as we struggle to make runs again .

[Proposition Joe]

No doubt tomorrow we will fuck about at two an over as we struggle to make runs again .

If they let us bat tomorrow!

[Fin Feds Dad]

It would help if they bowled AT the stumps.

Or am I being too simplistic .......